One of the most common criticisms of “those Red Pill guys” I read today is the misperception that any guy devoting any headspace to the nature of women, how to go about changing his outlook in intersexual dynamics or really understanding intersexual mechanics is only applying himself in order to get laid. Old school Roissy addressed this as a common form of Red Pill hate long ago:
From The Unbearable Triteness of Hating:
12. Fallacy of Misdirected Obsession Hate
Hater: A guy who spends his life obsessing over how to get women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over pursuing financial rewards and acquiring resources to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who….. ah, you get the point.
I made an effort to address this in Crisis of Motive as well, however, that essay took a more general look at the reasons people behave as they do.
A common (often deliberate) misdirection is that the only purpose men apply themselves to when considering Red Pill truths is that it’s all about PUA and chasing pussy. From there the argument becomes one of men becoming ‘pussy beggars‘ because they mistakenly believe this is all that studying intersexual dynamics is good for.
I get this a lot from MRAs as well as MGTOWs and trad-con guys who believe men shouldn’t ever bother themselves with the nature of women or the underlying mechanics, and focus themselves on whatever ‘higher-order’ principles or ambiguous virtues their belief set predisposes them to valuing. Usually these tend to be old books, old social contract ideals that they believe men need to return to.
Then the focus centers on how unburdened they’ve become with women, because they’ve either given up or have otherwise dissociated themselves from caring enough to understand the nature of women. Then, a sort of self-righteous AMOGing follows in some feigned pity about how other men are stuck following their penises instead of applying themselves to whatever it is they think ought to be valued. It’s a very convenient cop out for guys who’ve either attempted to understand Red Pill truths or applied Game and failed in some capacity, or for Blue Pill men unwilling to let go of the idealism it’s taught them, but still see some undeniable truth in the Red Pill.
I find this kind of ironic when I consider how hard-line PUAs tend to value the practice and repetition of Game above (not necessarily to the exclusion of) really looking under the hood and understanding why theses same intersexual mechanics make a man fully Red Pill aware. These are the “just get out there and do it” guys, and I do see the necessity of practice and learning. However, in either instance, it becomes all too easy to dismiss a man’s interest in understanding these mechanics as being motivated by hedonistic impulses. This is half the reason Red Pill awareness is shunned in religious contexts. A good part of understanding the fundamental nature of women aligns directly with old-school doctrine, but the disqualifying concern is that men would use it for their own self-important pleasures. It’s easy to presume that all the Red Pill is about is facilitating men’s obsession with getting laid because men are taught that this is all men think about. But whether it’s in a religious context, or an old books ‘man up’ context, the element of shaming and pathologizing men’s sexual impulse to promote an ideologic bent is always there.
That’s the heart of this misperception; the belief that the Red Pill is only about banging women or it’s in some way giving men reasons to encourage them to give up on women in despair. It’s only about building a man’s life around women (pussy beggars) to the exception of all else or it’s wasting one’s life trying to understand something not worth the effort. Those are the binary rationales attached to accepting the truths that the Red Pill reveals to men. These are usually the result of some irreconcilable conflict between that truth and an ego-investment in his Blue Pill idealism.
Ostensibly, the concern stems from some ideal of personal responsibility and that Red Pill awareness is in some way encouraging guys to ignore anything like responsibility and just following their most base impulses. Anyone who’s been involved in the Red Pill as a praxeology of intersexual dynamics understands this is a wrong impression, however, it does serve to stroke the egos of guys who need an easy dismissal of the truths they’re uncomfortable with. In a sense it becomes a new form of Game to them; AMOGing those pussy beggars by being maverick examples of a guy who is enlightened above his animal sexual nature. The belief is not unlike Blue Pill men’s dedication to their identifying with the feminine as a means to make himself unique and “not like other (typical) guys.”
There are a lot of different variations of this ‘Game’. Maybe it’s the tough-guy pastor who adopts just enough Red Pill awareness to pretend he’s got the masculine experience to tell men how they ought to ‘man up’ – while absolving women of any personal responsibility in their own natures. Sometimes it’s the Power of Positive Thinking guru who plays a similar, though secular, game with his flock – if you just ‘think differently’ you’ll be unique and have no reason to “chase pussy”. Then there’s the trad-con “authority” who also perpetuates the “nothing’s sexier” myth about men who ‘do the right thing’ by accepting their own indenturement to women, but are also ‘above it all’ enough to never have to worry about the risks men put themselves into by doing so.
The Importance of Hypergamy
A lot gets made about a perceived over-emphasis on Hypergamy. While Hypergamy serves as a very important foundation to many Red Pill truths it’s not the straightjacket critics want to make of it. However, the misperception critics like to harp on is that just the simplest most basic understanding about the mechanics of Hypergamy are too paralyzing for most men. Again, it’s something believed to be deterministic to the point that a lot of men simply throw up their hands and give up. It would be better for them to stay totally ignorant (or less aware) of how Hypergamy influences not just their personal lives, but also their work, social, family and political lives. In being ignorant of Hypergamy a guy might develop some irrational self-confidence in spite of its influence that would help him.
Some critics like to promote the idea that because Red Pill awareness, as a praxeology, doesn’t plainly present hard and fast actionable solutions for men that it is promoting some endemic culture of victimhood. Thus, we get comparisons of men complaining or whining about their own miserable (often sexless) state, or the state of unfairness in a world that is aligned against them. These are the critics who want easy answers and when none come, or the ones that are obvious conflict with the Blue Pill idealisms they refuse to disavow, they believe it’s the Red Pill’s duty to give them some bullet point list that tells them what to do. Thus, the Red Pill doesn’t make it easy enough to be useful.
What they fail to wrap their heads around is that the Red Pill is not one-size-fits-all and that anyone promoting a universal cure-all is selling something dangerously close to Dream Girls and Children with Dynamite. Rather than bothering with the introspection necessary to use what the Red Pill is telling them, they seek simplistic formulas to remedy their conditions. Most critics who believe Red Pill awareness promotes a sense of male victimhood resort to this opinion because they lack the personal investment necessary not just to understand intersexual dynamics, but also the harsh necessity of abandoning their Blue Pill ideals completely.
Often enough what the Red Pill is showing them is requiring that they stare at the abyss of a past life based on Blue Pill fallacies. Solution? Conflate the praxeology, the studying of intersexual dynamics, with complaining and a victimhood belief. Rather than invest the time and attention needed to understand intersexual dynamics it’s far easier to conflate what Red Pill men debate with angry feminists’ easily disprovable rhetoric.
The Scope of the Red Pill
In the linked podcast above I addressed another common misperception with Anthony Johnson; that of the belief that all the Red Pill is about is limited to the personal situations of men. All of the misbeliefs I’ve led up to here are founded on the idea that Red Pill awareness is exclusively compartmentalized to the personal states of men, and beyond that the social and political landscape is caused by social constructionist reasons. The misperception, as I said, is that understanding intersexual dynamism is only about getting laid or complaining about not getting laid. Learning anything more in-depth only indicates some degree of obsession with getting sex.
In The Feminine Mystique I outlined the latent purpose the Feminine Imperative foments in the mythology of women being these fickle, unpredictable and unknowable enigmas to men.
Perhaps the single most useful tool women have possessed for centuries is their unknowablity. I made that word up, but it’s applicable; women of all generations for hundreds of years have cultivated this sense of being unknowable, random or in worse case fickle or ambiguous. This is the feminine mystique and it goes hand in hand with the feminine prerogative – a woman always reserves the right to change her mind – and the (mythical) feminine intuition – “a woman just knows.” While a Man can never be respected for anything less than being forthright and resolute – say what you mean, mean what you say – women are rewarded and reinforced by society for being elusive and, dare I say, seemingly irrational. In fact, if done with the right art, it’s exactly this elusiveness that makes her both desirable and intolerably frustrating. However, to pull this off she must be (or seem to be) unknowable, and encourage all of male society to believe so.
What critics and Blue Pill men do by discouraging a fully developed understanding of what makes for Red Pill awareness in men is a surrender to this unknowable social convention. Either women are unknowable or not worth the bother of men having figured out their nature the effect is the same; keeping men ignorant of how the Feminine Imperative directs their lives. This ignorance has ramifications that go far beyond just the individual man and whether or not he gets laid.
I mention this in the above interview, but what critics don’t want to confront is the far greater scope that understanding the praxeology of the Red Pill implies. Those dynamics stretch from the biological, to the psychological, to the personal and familial, to the political and the global. A man can use Red Pill awareness to get laid, deal with an unresponsive wife, challenge a female boss at work, better understand the sexual marketplace as well as the latent purposes of feminine-primary legislation designed to maximally limit men and maximally unfetter women. However, just understanding this, just discussing it or a want to have a more complete grasp of Red Pill awareness is not an effort in bemoaning a man’s state within it. This is the danger I see coming from some elements within the Red Pill community; there’s a tendency to see the education (or even the want of an education) in Red Pill awareness as some substitute for acting on it. It is not, and it’s high time men in the ‘sphere realize that Red Pill awareness, and making it useful to an individual man, consists of both the theoretical and the practical.
I’ve had critics tell me that the Red Pill is only desperate guys learning to get laid, and to them I’ll point out the recent story of Daniella Greene, the FBI translator who left her military husband to marry the very ISIS fighter she’d been tasked to investigate. Watch the video at this link and then think about how many Red Pill truths this story confirms. Think about the far greater scope and importance an understanding of Red Pill intersexual dynamics has here. Are we just going to say “well, bitches are crazy, she must be damaged” or do we see the mechanics behind her actions with a Red Pill Lens? This is only one example of the scope of the importance a developed Red Pill awareness should mean to men.
@SJF
Harari claims that all large-scale human cooperation systems – including religions, political structures, trade networks and legal institutions – owe their emergence to Sapiens’s distinctive cognitive capacity for fiction.
Well, I see no reason to exclude the human cooperation system of science from having arisen from mankind’s cognitive capacity for fiction. Engineering as well, as long as we are being all post-modern….
@kfg
We haven’t cracked abiogenesis yet, a bacterial “donor body” was used to embed the synthesised DNA in, but all extent members of the species are reproducing the synthetic DNA.
Can that bacteria survive outside a protected lab environment like wild-type bacteria can?
“That’s why the Righties are so dangerous now–they don’t believe the made up shit.”
The story of the Pilgrim Fathers is made up shit, by Massachusetts and Calvinists, each having their own reasons for wanting to denigrate the Jamestown Colony’s primacy.
Massachusetts was the first state to implement free public schooling, to promulgate the fiction.
@SJF
The American home-school movement is very organized and is of the right, since it undercuts leftist control of education. The NEA has gotten into fights with home-schoolers and has lost decisively every time.
Think of the impact of the left’s strategy of undermining history when there are home-schoolers who buy right-wing history textbooks.
“Can that bacteria survive outside a protected lab environment like wild-type bacteria can?”
If only one manages it it will start evolving like gangbusters to not only survive, but thrive.
There is also now a cybernetic dragonfly, genetically altered to be controlled electronically.
And, and this is “old news” by now, there is research into genetically altering mosquitoes to carry a designed, infectious load. Under the guise of humanitarianism, of course.
“Think of the impact of the left’s strategy of undermining history when there are home-schoolers who buy right-wing history textbooks.”
Ironically, the movement began as left wing.
Just looked at the eclipse using my gadget. I made a pinhole in a stiff postcard and projected the image of the sun onto a white envelope. The clarity of the image varies with the distance of the postcard from the envelope, so I know that we are looking at an image of the sun and not just random light through the pinhole. Don’ need no steenkeeng eclipse glasses.
@kfg
The homeschool movement took off when HSLDA was formed…you saw numbers grow and publishers sprout up.
For those who want to form right-wing political organizations, study the homeschooling movement.
“I made a pinhole in a stiff postcard and projected the image of the sun onto a white envelope.” The last time I saw a partial I hadn’t been paying attention and didn’t know it was happening (I’ve become blasé about them I guess). I was walking down the street and started feeling that there was something weird about the light on the sidewalk. The sun filtering through leaves was creating pinholes projecting the partially eclipsed sun all over the the ground. “Weird” turned into “Cool!” “The homeschool movement took off when HSLDA was formed…” I was on the front… Read more »
https://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNews/comments/6unpn1/more_domestic_violence_shelters_for_men_opening/?ref=share&ref_source=link
@kfg
“Weird” turned into “Cool!”
Hell yeah!
He was converted largely by a visit to Cuernavaca, where Ivan Illich (a socialist) was writing the seminal work Deschooling Society.
Public schooling is pretty much a linchpin of socialism…Illich seems more like a liberal anarchist.
@KFG Harari was more concerned with metaphorical god like mind control kind of stuff rather than abiogenesis. Top level computer Artificial Intelligence stuff that becomes autonomic with dictates from a few humans like the Matrix. Kind of like in the film “Her”. The film follows Theodore Twombly (Joaquin Phoenix), a man who develops a relationship with Samantha (Scarlett Johansson), an intelligent computer operating system[a] personified through a female voice. </blockquote “Can that bacteria survive outside a protected lab environment like wild-type bacteria can? Well, there are these things called viruses and some of them have that specialty. Agent Smith: I’d… Read more »
“Top level computer Artificial Intelligence stuff that becomes autonomic with dictates from a few humans like the Matrix.”
See the cybernetic, radio controlled, dragonfly:
http://newatlas.com/cyborg-dragonfly-optrode/47625/
@Rollo: You’ve probably seen: http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/21/news/economy/girls-who-code-saujani/index.html
The shot: “Men, on the other hand, create companies ‘to replace their mothers,’ says Saujani “
sjb – oy – cherry pick a couple of companies to support her ‘replace mothers’ assertion, ignoring the 99.99% of everything else – “empathy tends to be ‘uniquely female'” :: seems like any empathy she might have doesn’t extend past her own sex – “I’ve seen girls tackle every single big problem from cancer to lead poisoning to climate change to homelessness to bullying in schools…There is literally no problem that we can’t solve.”” :: good, glad to hear humanity now has those problems behind us; I’m looking forward to some maternal coddling from all the new apps forthcoming –… Read more »
“I have seen girls tackle every single big problem from cancer to lead poisoning to climate change to homelessness to bullying in schools,” Saujani says, “There is literally no problem that we can’t solve.” Well, thank God we don’t have to worry about any of that shit from now on. And what man ever stopped to consider that they could all be solved with a smartphone app? A few lines of vagina powered code and BAM! Problem solved. For that matter, what man ever stopped to think that cancer was a problem and that something ought to be done about… Read more »
SJF
https://twitter.com/TheFamilyAlpha/status/899584749299171328
https://twitter.com/_Rian_Stone/status/899671157116424192
https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/899377536089546752
SJF I understand racism and I don’t need Jordan Peterson or any one else too explane it to me. I told you I was in the Deep SouthOk I see what you and Sentien thredgamer and all are saying about right wing politics. All I’m saying is it’s a waste of time. Nobody cares about it. Or let me say it’s not important to me period. I don’t know what these men want to change ? LBJ great society or FDR new deal or females being allowed to vote ? Your not going to change anything. I think it was… Read more »
@SJF
All I’m saying is [politics is] a waste of time.
Didn’t someone on the left say that once? I forget who said it, tho.
Your not going to change anything.
Sure as shit, if you never approach, you’ll never pick up girls.
Defeatism in action.
Keith People are looking for a particular kind of explanation for racism and the like. It’s a means to understand something in a particular context. And, it’s usually wrong. But it’s very, very easy because people can be goaded into a tribal thing based on the most obvious of differences ( race, language and often religion ). And it’s even easier to use these thoughts to take everything from any group that participates in this manner of thinking because they will almost automatically look to place blame for their circumstance at the feet of someone else, and who better than… Read more »
oh
The new left wing socialist Marxist –
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN_YIBr0ELM&w=854&h=480%5D
Can’t wait to see the manosphere’s reaction to their ” hero “.
@Blax Sure, Wall Street Bankers have been making billions off the Fed and CDOs were theft. And Boomers aren’t driving the economy any more by consuming. And the workforce participation rate is near record low levels. And compliance is getting progressively more expensive and reducing competition so that crony capitalism dominates. I’m sure all those Hispanics working in the building trades aren’t hurting blue collar workers by reducing wages. Sure, Tyson and the like lobby to open borders and IT magnates like Gates want more H1 visas given to bring in foreign IT workers to lower labor costs. I’m sure… Read more »
@Blax
Can’t wait to see the manosphere’s reaction to their ” hero “.
You REALLY don’t get the manosphere if you think that Arnold is one of its heros…he’s a Hollywood socialist, pure and simple.
Damn. Not only does dishwashers confound you, but cars too.
Readers, asd’s arguments – as always – make my case.
” And now those trillions are back because real estate values have recovered…the theft was from fraud by CDO issuers and by real estate risk ratings companies…lots of those were sold to places like Iceland and Beijing and Tokyo…globalist theft”
You really have no idea at all what you’re talking about….
” You REALLY don’t get the manosphere if you think that Arnold is one of its heros…he’s a Hollywood socialist, pure and simple.”
Yeah. I don’t know what I’ve read over the past 5 years or so.
There was a time when folks used to say free speech was a means to “shining the light on bigotry”. And free speech worked up until….well, really really recently apparently.
Now bats and urine and feces are “reasonable voices”, apparently.
Know when you’re being played.
@Blax
You really have no idea at all what you’re talking about….
Those gifs are just so enlightening and persuasive…makes me think that you don’t know shit from shinola.
Asd
I work in the ” industry ” and have for close to 30 years.
But, go on.
Lol.
Lesseeee, where have billions gone that are gone for good…Bear, Sterns…Wash Mutual…lots of other financial companies that relied on CDOs…but TRILLIONS?????? Only happened in the housing market, and it recovered.
Blax, you’re losing respect. Don’t talk shit.
@Blax
What “industry”?
take a nap man, you’re obviously overdue.
@SJB, dr z, and kfg
She does have a young son and mangina husband. So he’s screwed. Poor kid.
For example, the Treasury Department, in an April assessment [PDF], put the total lost household wealth at $19.2 trillion. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-much-did-the-financial-crisis-cost/ Also from PBS…The government has poured about $23 trillion into a host of programs and bailouts. Hey, I agree that this was theft (including giving GM to the union) and repubs were in on the deal. but this ain’t housing The stock market lost trillions…maybe that’s what Blax is talking about, but he said “housing”…is it a senior moment for him? Those trillions lost in the stock market are gone forever and we’ll never get them back…in other news, the stock… Read more »
Blaximus is right. Back in “the old days” we all thought Ahnold was great. Now he’s just a cautionary tale.
housing market lost trillions, never to recover…in other news, “U.S. Housing Worth Record-High $29.6 Trillion in 2016”
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/us-housing-worth-record-high-296-trillion-in-2016-300384146.html
Last word then I’m back to lurking ( I can’t help it because you are intentionally dense as fuck ). I steal 6 figures from your bank account. Over the next decade, you amass 6.5 figures in the same bank account. So, you lost nothing? Nothing was taken from you because ” recovery “? Lastly, the housing market ( which took much more than just housing down with it…. jesus..) was falsely inflated. Bubble. So, if it’s recovered a false amount…. c’mon… think… And it hasn’t actually ” recovered “, but find narratives that fit what you happen to think.… Read more »
@Blax I steal 6 figures from your bank account. Money changed hands. Over the next decade, you amass 6.5 figures in the same bank account. Because I deposited NEW money in the account. But that’s not what happened to the housing market. Equity was lost because property values declined. That equity change didn’t involve money changing hands. My lender didn’t do anything to lower my property value. I didn’t lose any percentage of ownership and didn’t do anything but wait for the real estate market to recover and now my equity is higher than ever–I have a net gain, even… Read more »
Q: What is the value of a house?
A: It houses you.
@kfg
Sometimes it horses or tennises you or swims you. Maybe it even dances you.
@Lost Patrol, @dr zipper, & @kfg: I was amused by her nuke-level fitness / shit test: “prove to me you aren’t a momma’s boy and maybe you’ll get some.”
JIDF Keith
“I’m saying. So just sit back and enjoy the decline. Hell have a glass of moscato pitch you a leg of lamb on the grill with a bit of rosemary. ”
yeah… Smoke some weed. Relax. Watch some sportball… Watch some porn… Borrow some more money… W/E bro.
Always a demoralizing agent around…
Wonder why? Couldn’t be because they recognize what happens when a few guys start reacting, can it?
What would help fix the housing market,a good program written for appraisal that would include replacement value and exclude repo sales from the comps would definitely go a long way to fixing things. In a world of aging boomers,a large population is looking to speculative investment for retirement income,leaving the wallstreet type banking system open for multiple bubbles. There never was a housing bubble,only a speculative investment bubble,with so much cash on hand from investors to loan they had to make bad loans to get rid of it. Now it is junk bonds and large corps borrowing to buy their… Read more »
Blax what I was trying to say is don’t get hung up on left wing or right wing politics cause they both fucked up. Don’t associate red pill with a group. I’m mean what’s the difference between the Bush boys spending a trillion on useless wars in the Middle East and Obama spending a trillion on stimulus stuff ? No difference they both spend money we ant got on shit we don’t need to impress a bunch of European socialist we don’t like. Same shit that happens in the suberbs just on a international scale. I don’t want to see… Read more »
People are tribes and racism makes sense. Genetically you are much more closely related to those of your race then your greatgrandkids and Most of human history anyone who did not look like you was there to smash your head in, steal your shit, rape your bitches and make your get their slaves
And not much has changed on that front either but now we call it street crime or politics
Sure housing markets recovered in coastal blue cities. Rest on the nation? Not that I have seen and don’t leave out all the factors that drove up housing prices…. all of which are probably to politically incorrect for this crowd
“I don’t want to see red pill logic tied to any side of politics.”
“Politics” is a mode of human interaction. People who want to spend money we ain’t got on shit we don’t need to impress European socialists we don’t like are a political group. People who think we should cut that shit out are another.
In terms of TRM, the sex demographics of the two sides do not split evenly, although it seems to get closer every year.
People are tribes and racism makes sense. Cue the video of Jordan Peterson decrying the idea of leftist rants against “white privilege”. Which is indictment of reverse racism against whites. “Politics” is a mode of human interaction. People who want to spend money we ain’t got on shit we don’t need to impress European socialists we don’t like are a political group. People who think we should cut that shit out are another.“The most alarming rhetoric comes out of the dispute between liberals and conservatives, and it’s a dangerous waste of time because they’re both right. Those two driving forces… Read more »
@keith Don’t associate red pill with a group. Yeah, just because feminists will bash you over the head and take your shit, don’t let that stop you from thinking that you won’t be a victim of politics. Hiding your head in the sand won’t stop an enemy from attacking you. @Ton Most of human history anyone who did not look like you was there to smash your head in Nowadays its mostly people who look like you who will take your shit. Blacks mostly shoot other blacks. The idea that there are only three races is bullshit. I’m a believer… Read more »
“The eternal argument over so-called entitlement programs—and, more broadly, over liberal and conservative thought—will never be resolved . . .”
But it will oscillate.
” . . . each side represents an ancient and absolutely essential component of our evolutionary past.”
What makes it evolutionary is the conflict between them. That conflict breeds adaptation. It is the adaptation that is necessary for long term survival. History isn’t over. Evolution hasn’t ceased.
“…people are moving here from California. And my state is red.”
Not for long.
@ASD:
“Most anthropologists recognize 3 or 4 basic races of man in existence today. These races can be further subdivided into as many as 30 subgroups.”
They’re called the major races, not the races. The tribes of the tribes.
“Oriental” is not, nor has it ever been, a race designation other than colloquially. Much as the American Robin is a thrush not a Robin, which is a fly catcher, but people started calling it that and aren’t inclined to stop.
“…people are moving here from California…”
*chuckle*
“Oriental”
*guffaw*
“ Into which race do we put Hispanics…
None. They’re not a ” race “.
…. wow. how is this confusing?
http://www.furniturendecor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Oriental-Furniture-Hand-Painted-Asian-Decor-26-Inch-Gold-Leaf-Small-Trunk-Oriental-Hope-Chest-0.jpg
@Blax
We call them damfurriners.
Race has no biological basis…it is merely a sociological distinction. Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptualizations of race are untenable, scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways, some of which have essentialist implications.[17] While some researchers use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits or observable differences in behaviour, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[12] or simplistic way,[18] and argue that, among humans, race has no taxonomic significance by pointing out that… Read more »
You should double check your research gamer.
Blaximus
August 21, 2017 at 5:24 pm
A hope chest is not a strategy?
@KFG
I don’t recall any stories about your exes. Except for the one that might have possibly tried to kill you.
Care to share any interesting stories about your Anthropology Ex? What was she like?
@Ton
Do you have a problem with the Wharton numbers? I know what I see in my red, non-coastal area, but maybe it’s an exception.
…. markets aren’t generally encompassed by ” what I see “.
Just sayin’
@kfg One day in the 1980s, I sat in the front row in my first undergraduate anthropology class, eager to learn more about this bizarre and fascinating species I was born into. But I got more than I expected that day as I heard for the first time that biological races are not real. After hearing several perfectly sensible reasons why vast biological categories don’t work very well, I started to feel betrayed by my society. “Why am I just hearing this now? . . . Why didn’t somebody tell me this in elementary school?” . . . I never… Read more »
@Blax
…. markets aren’t generally encompassed by ” what I see “.
Just sayin’
Maybe they are encompassed by MSU.
Doesn’t matter race,politics,class,religion or anything else Hypergamy does not care.
Blax asd
Bubble economics
@Sentient
You misspelled “Booble.”
Stuff
“There never was a housing bubble,only a speculative investment bubble,with so much cash on hand from investors to loan they had to make bad loans to get rid of it.”
Only because there was a buyer at the end of the day for that stuff… And that buyer was there because of politics… And those politics were there largely because of race.
@ASD: You set the paradigm and language of your argument. I stipulated it without argument and presented mine from within that paradigm and using that language. I am perfectly familiar with the Columbia school of thought and how it has changed the way anthropology is taught and have discussed that here previously. It is the source of The Model (the one that has women living in family homes while men live in the projects). In the biological sciences (which have found themselves constrained by the sociological “sciences” when humans are the subject) the same issues happen over the span of… Read more »
“ Into which race do we put Hispanics…
Blaximus:
None. They’re not a ” race “.
Well, “hispanic” is just a word the US feds made up, so that’s literally true.
But some “Hispanics” choose to call themselves La Raza which translates as…what?
This reminds me of the joke an Argentinian girl told me recently:
Q: Why do Argentinians like lightning and thunder?
A: Because they are convinced God is taking pictures of them.
Bad mortgages were done by eliminating standards ( NINJA loans ). Everybody, and I mean everybody ” qualified “. The politics part – A push to increase homeownership, especially among minorities. The result in action, banks and mortgage companies gave practically anyone a mortgage on inflated homes, classified as subprime, combined and repackaged these loans, got ” A ” ratings from the ratings firms and securitized the bundled loans. Authur Andersen bit the dust because of the shenanigans. This drove the price of homes through the stratosphere. Banks wanted more and more ” customers ” because they weren’t going to… Read more »
So, ya know, species don’t exist and are merely a social construct.
Ah, one of my pet peeves with Biology…vagueness in the definition of “species.”
@Blax
To asd’s assertion that ” only housing was affected
Actually, YOU stipulated housing and I went along.
Hear tell they are doing the same with houses….. again and we all know student loans are a racket as well as cars
Fact is all these fuck sticks make their money off of financing ie people buying shit they can’t afford. Ford, Chevy, Apple etc are all fiance companies 1st and foremost
@Sentient
Politics and race doesn’t explain the customers with interest only 0 equity loans having larger and larger homes built every year just to cash in on market inflation. Investment bubble does.
@Sentient And those politics were there largely because of race. And now you’re blaming the collapse on puhr people and the democrats. Bad, bad person. Nazi! Nazi! Nazi! lol It wasn’t because of democratic corrupt politics catering to minorities. (Dam spellcorrect. I wanted “demorat”.) Or corrupt financial institutions being blown by the political winds and bundling bad loans with good loans. What is rat poison? 99% nutritious rat food and 1% poison. Someone should go to jail? How about democratic politicians. How about Wall Street bankers of a certain ethnic persuasion who abetted the fraud and their gentile co-conspirators. How… Read more »
@ Ton & Stuff
American’s are fueled by debt.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-15/average-credit-card-debt-16k-total-debt-133k-where-do-you-fit-in
Wages have been flat forever for the majority of regular joes, so debt is the way to acquire shit. If not for so much credit, there’d be a revolt in the streets. All a part of having a consumer driven economy.
Oddly, most folks don’t factor debt into the equation when they speak of their ” wealth “. To me, wealth means as little debt as humanly possible.
@stuff
Without significant mortgage defaults, there wouldn’t have been a collapse of CDOs and mortgage financing. The lack of collateralization made the problem more severe. But investors were taking advantage of lax rules set by politicians to help the puhr. Then the investors were able to walk away, just like the puhr, when the house of cards collapsed.
I have no personal debt and paid cash for the only new vehicle i ever purchased
Just for the record asd, the whole ” blame everybody ” stuff is lame. The culprits can all be identified easily.
If I tell you to reduce crowds on New York streets, and you decide to drop a MOAB on Times Square, there is one person to blame for the resulting carnage.
Facts are facts are facts are facts.
“She saw the DSM and mistook it for a Chinese menu. She ordered one from Cluster-A, two from Cluster-B and a supplemented broadly ala carte.” Best come back ever. It’s kind of surprising how adaptable males are. And how when “problems” come up the best of us can move on. I had a short stint with a BPD cluster B in the 80’s. Then I had a short stint with not only a cluster A, but a full on schizophrenic chic. She “broke” when I was dating her. And it was kind of remarkable about how unfazed I was about… Read more »
@ Ton
That’s the way to do it.
I think I have about $1500 in debt right now. Everything else was paid for when purchased. I don’t like paying interest.
@Blax I watched that happen in the UK in the early 2000’s. Securisation on a phenomenal scale. Lending to people who shouldn’t have qualified and on properties that certainly didn’t substantiate the values given. Everyone profited – the valuers, the financial advisers, the introducers (of the business), the lawyers, everyone in the chain as “pass the parcel” continued and instead of a layer of wrapping coming off each pass, another one (the “value”) got added. Except the last one holding the Grade A securities – who when the music stopped, unwrapped the parcel and found it full of shit. Followed… Read more »
Been building since the 70’s ,boom and bust cycles all the way 7 year cycles then all of a sudden the boom keeps going,people are buying real estate futures of all things and the money is being loaned into realestate of all things,investment bubble.
Bad loans fail and take good ones with them by way of investment bundling,,,,,,,comp appraisal bringing down succeses with the failures,this takes down insurance companys and banks.
All labeled housing bubble when housing is not overpriced by the squ ft rather over sized to extravagance,with an inflated realestate price.
HYPERGAMY still doesn’t care.
“Ford, Chevy, Apple etc are all fiance companies 1st and foremost”
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And McDonalds is primarily a commercial real estate company that owns a brand name.
@ NeverAgain “Everyone profited – the valuers, the financial advisers, the introducers (of the business), the lawyers, everyone in the chain as “pass the parcel” continued and instead of a layer of wrapping coming off each pass, another one (the “value”) got added. Except the last one holding the Grade A securities – who when the music stopped, unwrapped the parcel and found it full of shit. Followed shortly by the folk who paid over the odds for homes that clearly weren’t worth what they mortgaged them for. The above wasn’t small in numbers – I watched first hand how… Read more »
@Blax
Just for the record asd, the whole ” blame everybody ” stuff is lame. The culprits can all be identified easily.
Did I say, “Blame everybody?” No. But the FACT is, there are lots of culprits and, you’re correct, they can be identified…maybe not located, lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-miIPh2zE4&feature=push-u&attr_tag=kLyXG9FNroCY1ah6-6 https://www.planetebook.com/ebooks/Notes-from-the-Underground.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egvlO9Zty5A&feature=push-u&attr_tag=M2FaI0ucGg-OBPBG-6 SJF (Although he might want to look into Dr. Laura Schlessinger’s book on that topic. It is sitting on my bookshelf. But never got around to motivating myself to read it.) Ill read it… I hope to meet in person to talk about farming and gardening… Ive been kicked out of my place so i am thinking about woofing… “Be good at being a masculine male.” “Everyone has a moment in history which belongs particularly to him.” ― John Knowles, A Separate Peace “And don’t ever fucking apologize for your masculinity. Be strong, very strong, my friend.… Read more »
@Blax I suspect most of the alt facts brigade haven’t read “The Emperor’s New Clothes” nor do they understand when something is TGTBT, it usually is. I don’t think it’s a case of “Trust the System” – I wonder if it’s more a case of they don’t give a shit as long as they are one of those who is handed the “parcel”, adds “value” and then “passes” it on? As opposed to being the one who’s left holding it when the music stops. A more polite version of “fuck you Jack, I’m alright!” Or maybe easier explained by the… Read more »
@Blax
Pension managers were buying assets they didn’t understand which were given low risk ratings. Political pressure was on to give the assets low risk ratings. And to bundle. Democratic politicians knew what was up. They had plausible deniability and they blocked investigations by the SEC. Maybe you forgot that little item. The power of the state was behind CDOs and stated income.
Why are liberals here all trying to cover up the guilt of the democratic politicians who created the CDO mess?
” Political pressure was on to give the assets low risk ratings. And to bundle. ”
Patently false and made up.
Lol, damn man.
Nobody ” blocked ” investigations by SEC. You haven’t dealt with SEC by your comments. The prosecutions just fizzled and never moved forward. It wasn’t so much political as it was business/financial industry related.
And you don’t seem to understand much about cdo’s, cds’s and the other ” instruments ” either.
Why am I even talking to you?
SJF
Trauma reintroduced as an adult allows for a mature integration
http://www.cla.csulb.edu/departments/hdev/docs/TemperamentandtheReactionstoUnfamiliarity.pdf
“No Big Deal. I Got This.”
https://realchristianmcqueen.com/2016/12/21/3-words-that-will-make-you-a-boss-in-your-girls-eyes/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwElV5C15v4
Going to rest and dream of the best part of myself to build and take care of…
Thanks SJF for guiding me along the process of the unknown…
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4287301/ex-royal-marine-selling-medals-to-pay-for-child-rare-cancer-treatment/
http://bgr.com/2017/08/14/planetary-protection-officer-jack-davis/
Bottom line when nonproductive labor outstrips productive labor the tax base isn’t large enough to support the expenditures,bringing about remedys like cdos ,public and private debt to increase monetary velocity thereby increasing tax revenue and pushing the common day of reconning along to next guy in charge.
Hypergamy doesn’t care.
“Bottom line when nonproductive labor outstrips productive labor the tax base isn’t large enough to support the expenditures,bringing about remedys like cdos ,public and private debt to increase monetary velocity thereby increasing tax revenue and pushing the common day of reconning along to next guy in charge.”
Nope. It’s when “as long as I make money and lots of it, screw the next guy” becomes the mantra.
Stuff https://www.forbes.com/2008/07/18/fannie-freddie-regulation-oped-cx_yb_0718brook.html Without Fannie and Freddie holding the bag, albeit briefly until the buck got past on to your grandkids, the incentive to originate is gone. Go back to the shell game… Blax Andersen was Enron… Never Again Don’t forget to put the tens of thousands of employees who gained from said system on your list. You can see the same perversion of the market at play now, with the same intersection of politics and race, in student loans. Government backed, which means taxpayer backed, loans pushed on the masses. Trade schools, munis, law schools… The test is always –… Read more »
“Nope. It’s when “as long as I make money and lots of it, screw the next guy” becomes the mantra.”
20 trillion in debt screws em quite nicely…
@Blax ” Political pressure was on to give the assets low risk ratings. And to bundle. ” Patently false and made up. I’m sure I heard it on a documentary. Some low-level staffer at the SEC was pulled off of an investigation after a call from the CEO of Freddie Mac to a democratic senator. “You know, Barney, if this investigation goes through we’re gonna have to eliminate Stated Income from home loans.” That could obviously never happen. So, you’re correct, the investigation “fizzled”. What does Salsman say about the politically correct narrative about the causes of the Great Recession?… Read more »