What I’m going to get into today is going to be kind of dark. I’m doing this not to exacerbate any guy’s negative feelings, but to shed some light on the reality of how divorce operates in the United States as well as many other western societies. A lot of guys tend to focus on the logistics, the laws, the process of how a divorce proceeds. Much of what I see coming from Men’s Rights advocates about divorce centers on the need for legal and institutional reform of the process in their misguided hopes of creating a more ‘equal’ state between men and women. From what I understand, MRA’s primary hope (for most every issue they address) is that this reform can come from a top-down approach – changing the system to be more fair – rather than confronting the fact that these laws, divorce and others, are manifestations of an endemic social dynamic that is based on a fundamentally unfair, unequal interrelation between the sexes.
What I’m going to focus on here is dissecting this process, but doing so from a Red Pill aware perspective. While it may be the purview of the MRM that this process is fundamentally corrupt and in need of reform (I agree), what they willingly ignore is the root level inequalities that are part of men and women’s evolved differences that are the source of this process. This isn’t meant to be some take-down of the MRM; I find their causes worthy enough, but I believe their approach to solving them to be fundamentally flawed due to a refusal to accept the core, evolved differences in men and women and a stubborn refusal to reject the ideals of egalitarian equalism that the feminism they claim to hate is ostensibly founded on.
This system is designed to create conflict, but that conflict is rooted in the presumption that men are always at fault in it. This is why there can never be an equalist solution to correcting the endemic problems of modern divorce procedures.
At present I have a personal friend I’m counseling who is in the opening phases of this process. He and his soon to be Ex are also in ‘marriage therapy’. First thing I ask, “is it a man or woman therapist?” He says woman. I say, you’re fucked; start planning your exit now.
He agrees, but still has that Blue Pill hope he’s not wasting his money (she’s a SAHM) and they’ll be able to negotiate some mutually amicable feigning of her desire for him. When we invest ourselves in something we’ve accepted is supposed to be effective we’ll hold on to hope that it will because there’s a part of us (especially in idealistic men) that doesn’t like to think we are able to be conned. This is a very well studied psych phenomenon. We convince ourselves that we ‘got something out of’ an experience regardless of it being a provably bad investment. We like to believe that in all labor there is profit, but reality shows us, quite often, that this simply isn’t true.
I gave him a list of things to keep in his head as he was going to these counseling sessions, but I also told him the truth that marriage counseling is almost always ‘last stop before toll’ and that he needs to be careful now because his wife will eagerly use this therapist’s testimony to destroy his character at a later date. That’s the profit model for therapists in divorce proceedings. They’re getting paid when you’re coming and going.
I told him she will turn into someone he never thought she could become and most of it will be at the prodding of their therapist and her attorney (who he’ll also be paying). It’s in all of their best interests that they create a monster of him. The male anger bias I write about here will be the primary basis for his character assassination.
Anything even remotely, positively masculine or Alpha is still a ‘man being a man’ and this can always be reinterpreted as potentially aggressive or violent. In a feminine-primary social order where feminized men and women are taught that men are inherently evil and prone to anger and violence (the “culture” of masculinity) there’s an army of women and White Knight sympathizing men who want nothing more than to stick it to the ‘man’ symbolically. And when they draw a paycheck from doing so they’re all the more eager. Add to this that they feel a sense of moral justification in “making the world a better place” by burning him in an effigy of all men and you get to where we are now. We presently live in a social order that presumes any masculinity is “toxic” or “hyper” masculinity. So disassociated from anything positive has society become with regard to conventional masculinity that just the term is now masculinity is a negative connotation.
Needless to say this will be the starting point from which a soon-to-be-divorced man will have his undoing begin. So prevalent is the presumption of abuse on a man’s part that even the most saintly father can be remade into a secret monster. It’s just ‘how guys are’ and this presumption also serves as a point of justification for women, and Blue Pill male sympathizers, to feel okay about pillorying him.
Yes, I understand that there is at least a reportedly higher incidence of men being the abuser in domestic cases, but we also have to understand that the definition of “abuse” has been rendered so ambiguous that most men don’t realize virtually anything they do in a domestic confrontation can fit the definition of “abuse”. Just raising one’s voice is enough to qualify as psychological abuse. Denying a woman access to money also fits a new definition of abuse. I once counseled a guy who had been taken to jail for snatching the car keys away from his drunk wife so as to prevent her from driving drunk. She called the police and, as you likely know, the man is always the party removed from the home by police. Snatching the keys was enough to qualify his removal. 5 months later he’s living with his parents (at 43) and paying rent on a home and car payments on a car only his now ex is allowed to occupy and drive.
I know how my friend’s story is going to end. I’m doing what I can to give him fair warning – it’d be better for him to completely pull up stakes and remove himself from the situation than stick around and ‘try to make it work’ because the longer he lingers the more ammunition she and the therapist potentially get. I think this is also the profit model; keep the Blue Pill chump husband around the house for as long as it takes to build him up as a stereotypical ‘man’ and then escalate the most marginal conflict as a ‘typical’ domestic violence incident and he’s gone. If you watch the above documentary on the divorce industry you’ll see how many lucrative profit opportunities there are at every stage of divorce; and there is no incentive to dissuade divorce profiteers from doing anything different. And, as I stated earlier, there are many ready-made social and moral conventions available to help them justify their profits.
Old Books and New Books
‘No one cares how mean your ex was, how unfair she was to you and so on … at the end of the day, the system can’t right wrongs, they only process your case’
The above and following quote was from an article in the National Post, Family court advice for men, from one who’s made it through;
I’ve had hundreds and hundreds of notes; on a gender breakdown, probably 80 percent are from men, 20 percent from women.
I’ve heard from family court lawyers, some of whom are angry at my suggestions that fathers get the tough end of the stick in child custody cases (though the actual evidence is reasonably clear that they do), some of whom say “the whole system is B.S … one of the first things out of my mouth when I see someone is, ‘What’s your budget and how much does he/she dislike you?’” I’ve heard from judges and former judges and psychologists and counsellors.
Without exception, they agree that the system is beyond broken.
What we have, fundamentally, in the state of modern divorce is a conflict between old books social contracts serving as the ethical basis of a new books resource transfer from men to women (Thomas Ball even described it as such). Really this conflict is at the root of much of what Red Pill awareness (from the social perspective of intersexual dynamics) describes, but in this instance there’s an entire social complex that influences policy and profit. Judges, attorneys, psychologists and counselors all make a very good living from this fundamental conflict; and if you watch the Divorce Incorporated documentary I linked you’ll see that there’s no incentive to ever change that profitable conflict at any stage.
However, all of the people involved in even a typical western divorce are all subject to the belief sets that the Feminine Imperative has predisposed them to about men and women. We presume a default state of victimhood is to be applied to a woman and the benefit of that victimhood doubt runs deep. We see it evolve into the kangaroo court systems that govern what we’re told to believe is an endemic ‘rape culture’ on college campuses – up to and beyond denying a man his civil rights.
We’re taught that any slight appearance of abuse towards a woman is an opportunity to teach any man doing so a lesson, but should a man be the victim of the same abuse? Well, he probably had it coming. The Feminine Imperative has (and still is in some senses) prepared women and Blue Pill men to believe that women are untouchable; always to be believed, by default, in their victim status no matter the circumstance.
Now we can expand this presumption to every party involved in a divorce proceeding. We get female therapists whose livelihoods depend on following the victimhood of women and demonization of men (and masculinity) script the Feminine Imperative has laid out for them for most of their lives. We get Blue Pill Alphas eager to prove their authority by punishing any man who might remind them of their asshole fathers or who fits their idea of what the imperative has taught him is a “misogynist”. The imperative plays to the natural ‘protector’ impulse of these men. We get well-conditioned attorneys, counsellors and judges ready to follow that same script by legally enacting the retribution and restitution upon which feminism has always been based.
But underneath all of this we have the fundamental inequalities in ideology between what the old books social contract expects of men while the divorce industry enforces, almost unilaterally male, punishment based on a new books social paradigm to better empower women – presumably to right the past wrongs they believe were endemic in that old books paradigm. What we have today are new books divorce and marital laws based on those old books presumptions of men’s evils, indiscretions and addressing the toll it allegedly took on women. The result is a system that is designed to psychologically, financially and personally ruin any man whose idealism led him to believe that men and women share some mutually recognized concept of love; enough to compel him to a lifetime commitment in modern marriage. It is a system calculated to destroy the same Blue Pill conditioned men who will eagerly stand up to defend their ego-investments in it.
The common refrain to this is always “just don’t get married”, and it is precisely this system’s goal to disincentivize long term commitment between the sexes so that this response is the only logical one. Thus, we get women spending small fortunes to freeze their eggs in the hopes that one day some man will be foolishly idealistic enough to look past all the inherent life-threatening risks marriage and divorce uniquely disposes men to. Thus, we get old books moralists berating men for wanting to prolong their adolescence (never mind women doing so is considered empowerment) by avoiding the dangers of marriage that they’ve been smart enough to understand, or have been a party to in one way or another.
In my next essay I’ll be addressing the misguided opinion of some ‘stand up’ Purple Pill moralists that the Red Pill is “just for guys who are obsessed with sex and make getting laid their life’s mission”. I’ll elaborate on why this is simply a distraction from the much larger meta-scope of Red Pill awareness and intersexual dynamics. However, understanding how the divorce industry is based on the same dynamics the Red Pill has described for a decade and a half is a good illustration of why the Red Pill isn’t just about men basing their lives on getting laid. This system is fundamentally unegalitarian and unequal, and the designed imbalances are entirely founded in Red Pill intersexual principles. This is why the MRM will never be successful in their hopes of a top down institution of social change. The laws and the social imperatives that crush men are symptoms of a deeper problem that requires a bottom up changing of men’s minds about women and themselves.
I’d have to say my marriage’s ending was long overdue having lost frame epically when she demanded we move back home to be near her mother who developed breast cancer. Blue pulled me failed most shit tests in years prior. My overarching desire was in keeping the peace and stable non-combat zone for our kids. It didn’t help that I had a failed career and she had thyroid issues which give rise to BPD like behavior. She chipped away at my frame until I had none left. Eventually, I believe she cheated on me ( had no smoking gun, most… Read more »
Not very long ago if I had read Blax’s vetting list I would have for sure been depressed to consider all the shit I’ve put up with. You, me, and the majority of men. For most, there was no Blaximus type figure on hand to show them how to steer a course, and they ended up in the part of those old maps where it says ‘here there be dragons’. The upside to the downside is that now there is TRM and a handful of other places where a man can get some useful guidance even if he doesn’t have… Read more »
” . . . not the husband’s *fault* – it was his *responsibility*.”
Don’t tell me to lock my car. Tell car thieves not to steal cars.
Simonbarsinister a week after it was final, she wanted to get married again, ha!) the catch-22 being that my strongest display of frame was walking away and staying away. Take that Kaminsky… and some science… https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/08/03/dominance-increases-male-sexual-attractiveness/ Dominance and Heterosexual Attraction Four experiments examined the relation between behavioral expressions of dominance and the heterosexual attractiveness of males and females. Predictions concerning the relation between dominance and heterosexual attraction were derived from a consideration of sex role norms and from the comparative biological literature. All four experiments indicated an interaction between dominance and sex of target. Dominance behavior increased the attractiveness of… Read more »
Toubkal
The only reason justifying a marriage on behalf of a man is having and raising kids. Still we have to be permanently aware of the risks we are entering.
Not so… the man can simple want it. Like he wants anything.
Don’t just understand the risks… have the skill to handle the risk.
@SFC Ton “Fall out of love…..? What kind of blue pill simp falls in love with them?” Not talking about being in her Frame. Talking about not squandering valuable assets. Love is different from romance or sexual polarity. You can love your dog, your kids or your farm tractor and flail mower. Love is giving a shit about those things and opening yourself up to giving to your dog, children or farm tractor (maintaining it so it doesn’t fail when you really want it to perform). Same way with your woman. You don’t want to her to go sucking scout… Read more »
Toubkal Praise Zeus…. I knew the odds, and I am currently at a point where I can say, that thanks to the manosphere in general and RM in particular, I am succeding. Warning: don´t do this at home – your milaege may vary. After extensive reading, I realised the foundation of our relationship is very strong and I actually entered it as an alpha some 15 years ago (just one example: at one point at the time dating her and already having multiple times sex, we had a crazy, spontanious FFM threesome night with my now-wife and her best girlfriend… Read more »
Kaminsky Dropped in from Going Your Own Way? OK, let me address your comments… He should have tried to hang on to that bitch? Why? AWALT or no? Is she not just acting like a woman would act, given the opportunity? So how is she different from any other bitch? He should have maintained his ‘hand’ and ‘frame,’ pass her shit tests to keep her? He should have maintained his hand to keep his frame and get what he wanted from her… This has nothing to do with marriage… Your analysis comes in at the end of the story. You… Read more »
You guys are all about, “He could have kept her. Here’s how…” and my take is, “He should be so glad she’s gone.”
What’s interesting to me is this;
“Her degenerate behavior was his fault,”
Signed,
–Feminists
–Trad-Cons
–Blue Pillers
–Red Pill Advanced Studies Scholars
–Scoutmasters
Some interesting bedfellows there. Careful you don’t take things to such an extreme that you go full circle, yeah?
Simp.
S=Sucker. I=idolizing. M=mediocre. P=pussy. Simp behavior: http://www.newagedman.com/26-ways-know-youre-s-i-m-p/ 1. You buy gifts for a woman when she’s not your girlfriend yet. And when it’s not Christmas or her birthday yet. 2. You pay for everything before she’s your girlfriend. 3. You fall in love with her before she’s your girlfriend. 4. You let the woman hold the power in the relationship. Meaning you’re afraid to stand up for yourself or challenge her authority over you. 5. You’re ready to fight another guy over a girl. If another guy is actually trying to rape, kiss, or harm your girl than thats different.… Read more »
Blax all On vetting… Blax has a good set of things to consider. Also be sure you have the experience with women to understand what you like, what you want, that you have an abundance mentality. That you are not ever settling… You must have that mindset before you consider vetting. I’m on 28 years now with the wife, married for 26… Why her? it wasn’t a long drawn out list.. 1. She is smoking… But that is just part of it. Objectively she is hot (8, perfect skin, 5’7″ 120, 24 inch waist when we met, 26 inch now… Read more »
Kaminsky Own up to your experience with women… Tell us about yo ‘sef… Age? Virgin? Incel? Dated women? Any LTRs? Married? Divorced? Kids? What? Must to discern from perspective based on experience or lack thereof… “Her degenerate behavior was his fault,” Your house can have a strong foundation, but if you ignore the little leak in the roof, it is all going to come crashing down on you one day… A scene from last night in Patriarchy 2.0… So W was out all day doing errands with kids… gets back at 5. I ask her what is going on with… Read more »
Perhaps it is time to review the end of Rollo’s The Reconstruction series: Quote: Break Up with Your Wife “Not too long ago in various comment threads on this blog readers had a discussion about how any marriage (at least in the contemporary sense) is always founded on a Beta status for the husband. I don’t entirely agree with that assessment, but considering how the large majority of marriages are the culmination of Blue Pill conditioned men fulfilling their role as cuckolded provider for women cashing out of the sexual marketplace it’s certainly an understandable presumption. I won’t elaborate too… Read more »
@Kfg “To get Critical Theory into the schools it was rebranded as Critical Thinking, which is what parents want their kids to learn, which it is, of course, the opposite of.” Yes! “Theory” was replaced with “thinking” in order to overinflate a dangerous hypervalidation of the propositional side of the thinking process. This has been done to such an extent that “thinking” effectively becomes “believing”. “Theory” self identifies with the possibility that assumptions could be erroneous. Like “hypothesis”, “Theory” self itentifies with the possibility of falsity. Theory says, “Here is an idea that may have some truth to it, could… Read more »
A man should do some vetting, question for me is how much? At the end of it all if you’re the kind of guy who creates alpha widows most women are going to do right enough by you
Of your Frame is still a work in progress then I reckon higher levels of vetting are in order
if your frame is not yet in order then you have no business vetting for a wife anyway
Wash an Apple? Postscript…
So today wife is out doing more errands, calls me to let me know she and D2 will be doing some errands at dinner time when D2 is off work, so wont be home but not to worry she has made dinner and it is all ready to just heat in the oven…
Lolz…
I think that explains a lot Ton, why I could not come up with a more comprehensive list for one…
“Why else would they have changed the words?!” To deceive parents, who had already rejected Critical Theory and demanded critical thinking. Critical thinking is the ability to theorize. Critical Theory is an ideological, post-modern assault on the validity of theorizing. In the technical use of the word a theory is a collection of congruent postulates that have been proven. It may be wrong, because the postulate may be proven false by new knowledge, or there may have been some flaw in the proof. In the sciences the postulates take the form of empirical observations. Critical Theory says that all postulates… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI5hDWepeIU
A marriage metaphor…
You have no bidness vetting for a wife no matter how strong your Frame
Unless you like making high risk, stupid legal decisions. In which case hit me. I have a couple of buiness ideas floating around that need funding
Thanks Sentient
Ton
Unless you like making high risk, stupid legal decisions.
A lot of folks would think opening a bar, or riding a fast motorcycle or going “downrange” fell into that category too.
Be interested in more of your story… How you met your wife, how long you dated, vetting, and your take on how it unraveled, events leading to it etc…
article on the current state of male contraception: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-08-03/why-we-can-t-have-the-male-pill only a couple of minor FI stains: – “A new contraceptive could give men more control over their reproductive futures, alleviate a burden that’s overwhelmingly borne by women” :: okay, so not having reproductive control — other than not fucking — is a burden and oppresses women, but so is having total control over your own reproduction… heads I win, tails you lose lol – “Women have sometimes argued—not unconvincingly—that the lack of a male pill reflects a double standard” :: I wonder what the outcry would have been if it… Read more »
None of that shit comes with a 50% failure rate or sets you up for betrayal by what is supposed to be your tightest confederate Meet her in high school; 2ish years; vetting….. virgin, church 2 times a week, very stable, old school family with no history of the late 80’s social ills, one of the hottest chicks around and she didn’t date at all or say much…. I stopped being an asshole and stared listening to church advice, to much time down range playing captain fucking America not enough time state side banging other bitches and spending weekends in… Read more »
Ton Thanks. pretty normal, boring stuff really I stopped being an asshole and stared listening to church advice, Betaization… Common, common thread in divorce after action reports… The irony is, in aggregate, many divorced guys could totally handle marrying their wife again (like they were never married but just met her now fresh) because of the frame they rediscover or develop through divorce… also explains why so many ex wives end up coming sniffing back around divorced guys… Gents – you have agency, you have the ability to develop your skill, you have the ability to go after what you… Read more »
No worries my man
Damn does my spelling suck ass
To add to it…. Women are never really happy so do the asshole shit that keeps them unhappy to keep them wet. Do the beta shit that makes them unhappy to sending them packing
Damn does my spelling suck ass
Always thought that was a GBFM-esque touch of artistic license…
“Women are never really happy so do the asshole shit that keeps them unhappy to keep them wet. Do the beta shit that makes them unhappy to sending them packing”
nice one
30,000 words of TRM condensed into 30 words of TON
Rollo, you fail to call the current divorce imbalance what it is: *Reparations* For the past “misdeeds” of (collective) men. It’s simply the economic transfer of wealth to punish the “guilty” (i.e., all men) for the benefit for nearly all women. If men are crushed in the process, that’s a feature, not a bug. The comments on this thread are heartbreaking but wonderful. I hope the young men read and heed them. 1. Re; the stories of distraught, despairing, hopeless men near suicide. Thank you all for helping those men survive. To those in pain, I reveal this much: I… Read more »
Burden of performance….
https://www.facebook.com/TheArtist2012/photos/a.277942088940677.60701.226018904132996/400054763396075/?type=3&theater
https://www.amazon.com/Divorce-Corp-Joseph-Sorge/dp/B00IY2P5CO
@Sentient
Man: Operator error…
Woman: The car just started sliding…
One other “Amen” re; therapy. I echo the prevailing sentiments above – – I foolishly agreed to go to (non-religious) marriage counseling. Female therapist (mid-60’s) went along with the standard “Everything is his fault” approach from my then-wife, observed carefully, let her vent through several sessions; I kept me head down and tried to play along without revealing anything that could be used against me in what I already saw was an inevitable divorce downstream. By the fourth session, the therapist started working toward suggesting improvements in our spousal “communication” – – but the techniques required buy-in from the spouse,… Read more »
https://twitter.com/22centurymale/status/893529801956495360
https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/893497919130656769
https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/893480557769662464
https://twitter.com/WesternMastery/status/893128892034285570
http://www.sonyclassics.com/awards-information/screenplays/carnage_screenplay.pdf
“It’s simply the economic transfer of wealth . . .”
That’s the model.
LOL thank you sirs and it is now
“None of that shit comes with a 50% failure rate or sets you up for betrayal by what is supposed to be your tightest confederate ” …supposed to be…like Sleeping Beauty…happily ever after…fantasy shit I’m slightly offended by someone using “confederate” in a Blue Pill context…your woman is never your confederate…more like vassal…you give her protection and she gives you kids “I stopped being an asshole and stared listening to church advice,” I never listened to church advice about marriage, but Mrs. Gamer listened to it when we were separated…her church counselor told her not to divorce. I’ve already related… Read more »
@Sentient Toubkal Praise Zeus…. Reposted for emphasis… deniers will still deny their role in maintaining Hand, and thus a relationship on your terms and continue to pray that a beta God arises to keep big bad womenz in check, so they don’t have to do what had been done for eons… Tell me Kaminsky – Patriarchy? was it just a set of books? How did it come about? From Rollo’s 3rd Book, pages 125,126 (TL;DR: Women’s solipsism is generated by evolutionary forces making her firmware built for self preservation of her and the kids, that firmware can be over-ridden by… Read more »
@Sentient “Once again… look at his actions, and inaction… So much of her behavior is acting out, testing for a boundary that never is realized… because guys fail to enforce any boundaries… because uncomfortable…” I think he did attempt to set boundaries with her, but failed. He is a hard-ass. A results-driven MF. Finance guy. Critical. Disciplinarian. Tends to talk down to idiots. Part of the reason why he is just good at what he does. Get’s shit done, and done right. But with her, yeah, she resented it. He probably let shit slide just to keep the peace and… Read more »
All these family court divorce tails of hagged horrors and injustice in separation. The lack of equality and fairness is astounding. I never would of thought it. You would think men by the thousands would be in south Florida trying to steal a raft to float to Cuba to escape the terror of the family court system. Or even the men and boys of Europe on a flotilla of ships desperately seeking shelter of the coast of North Africa where they can evade persecution from lawyers and such. Odd I don’t see any of that ? I guess getting divorced… Read more »
K – this isn’t about “buck up, life ain’t fair”
you discount the loss of one’s family, wife, children, finances, job, etc. as some sort of 1st world problem; we’re trying to figure out to handle it if you’re in it, and how to not get in it in the first place
part of me says fuck you asshole but I don’t think you meant it that way; with some of the other stuff I concur
Since we are talking about divorce and it’s aftermath, I’ll share my divorce story once again for readers who might have missed it the first time. Apparently my experience is an anomaly, so I’ll give some more detail to try and make things clearer in some fashion. TL;DR version – I met my 1st wife when she was all of 12 years old and I was 14. She was a very cute girl that was just a little bit tomboyish in many ways. She immediately developed a kind of crush on me, but I saw her more as a young… Read more »
Oh, PS-
Reading Rollo’s writings made it crystal clear why being soft, sharing and cuddly blew my marriage all to hell.
… I meant to say that in the last post
” . . . you may lose but your not 3rd world poor.”
As someone who has lived as a refugee in the third world, 3rd world poor is often quite a bit better off than 1st world divorce raped. I wasn’t crushed by indenture, my time was my own, and I may have been living in a mud hut, but it was on a sub-tropical Pacific beach.
Yes, I’d go back to that rather than go into the meat grinder.
“Women are never really happy so do the asshole shit that keeps them unhappy to keep them wet. Do the beta shit that makes them unhappy to sending them packing”
Powerful
Verily verily I sayeth unto you:
I wasn’t as mad at her as I was at myself. This was the absolute stupidest shit I’d ever done and I was completely embarrassed at myself.
Blaximus 3:30
Choir… Give an Amen and play us out…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=esZ15n6_5JY
Powerful stuff, Blax.
My personality really fucked me when I made the decision to go beta.
My whole life it’s been not win or die but a drive to be so damn good the other guys give up and no show. Soooooo when I went beta I went full beta, wanted to be the beta’est beta that ever beta’ed
Never go full beta
https://youtu.be/X6WHBO_Qc-Q
@ Ton
Boy, do I fucking hear you on that shit man!!
Incoherent, non-sequitur knowledge dumps, solipsism (yes solipsism) has turned the portion of the thread I responded to into an Emperor’s New Clothes scenario. Waste of time. I’ll just stick to Rollo’s essays and books from now on. The mutual admiration/chest hair comparing that is going on between the Big Four posters here is really getting way too Blue Oyster, well-gamed 64 year old dustbag wives notwithstanding. See ya.
too bad K, I like your way with words
Kaminsky
You are a pussy.
Laugh. Out. Loud.
One day, if you don’t depart this mortal coil, you will get older – with all that this entails. Everyone does, and no one has beaten it yet.
To assume that ” people “, male and female both, have less value as they get older is asinine.
But ya can believe whatever you’d like…. young’in.
Bausch and Lomb can’t help you with that massive fucking blind spot.
Peace and C-Ya!!!!!!
Non pussy readers… Take note. Of real world experience of the posters here… Take your pic – Blax, Ton, Habd… Others…
The reality is beta kills tingles. True in Game with <25 YO turbo hotties. True with childhood sweethearts… True with 20 years in the saddle…
The common element in marital failure OF GUYS who are WINNING with women is beta.
Not Beta with bros. Not beta on the job. Not beta anywhere but with her… In the we small hours where no one else is watching.
Wee
Ton Blax Same experience. I got frog boiled… Very successful Ralph Lauren wife, family, home etc. My own 8 figure a year business… Kicking ass and taking names. 7 figure bank by 30… 150 people working for me. And I succumbed to the madness… Slowly slowly I allowed muself to be dragged towards society’s standards… A quest to be “good” I suppose… Figjting my nature. What got me to be me in the first place. And feel that loveligjt flickering off. So that when flying home from a business trip I really wished the plane would go down… Or sit… Read more »
Church, Sentient
The MRM fights the good fight. They have no hope of winning a top-down, wide scale victory for men. However, they may win smaller skirmishes…..an alimony reform in this state, shared parenting in that state, etc. If absolutely nothing else, they raise awareness to the fact that men’s issues even exist, and perhaps they raise red pill awareness. The ultimate ideal goal of the MRM would be the ERA. However, even Feminism Inc. could not get that done. One of the few times in history that the interests of Feminism was in opposition to the interests of the average women.… Read more »
“Reading Rollo’s writings made it crystal clear why being soft, sharing and cuddly blew my marriage all to hell. Anybody not have that t-shirt? Fuuuuuuuuck….Blax and TON….Go figure, we’re all human. Reading about being uncomfortable and doing the right thing makes me strongly believe I’m on the right path. When I’m not taking the easy way out, making choices and taking action that is uncomfortable I know I’m doing the right thing. Easy & appeasing does NOT work. By that I mean for you/us/me. Not even considering womenz/girls. I read more on the reconstruction while I had some downtime today… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kuz3zve4LE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cisouPBT1A8
And Sentient too…..Go figure.
“The ultimate ideal goal of the MRM would be the ERA.”
I know. That’s what’s wrong with them.
“The ultimate ideal goal of the MRM would be the ERA.” “I know. That’s what’s wrong with them.” If the ERA had been passed it would have been a huge victory for men’s rights. Yes, it was intended to benefit women, but anyone even minor legal savy could see that with such general language the amendment could have been easily have been used to litigate men’s issues on an whole host of fronts. Alas, women saw through the high-minded language of ‘equality’. Women know they don’t want equality. Women have always wanted superiority. ““Whenever women have insisted on absolute equality… Read more »
The point I was trying to make is…if organized Feminism cannot get a law passed that would establish legal ‘equality’ between the sexes, what chance does the MRM have?
Dr zipper if your going thru a divorce. I hate it for you I get it been there. You get sentenced to die But condemned to live. yes I am a ass can’t help it.
” . . . what chance does the MRM have?”
None, thank the gods. Every time it’s been tried it’s been an absolute disaster for everybody. For any culture that goes that way and sticks to it, no matter what, it would be an extinction level event (both the USSR and Israel gave it up to avoid extinction). Which is totally predictable. Except by everyone who thinks it’s a good idea.
How do men get their rights? With the proper application of one, single, word:
“No.”
Sentient wanted to die in a plane crash, I never wanted to come off mission cycle. Same same. My drive to be the best was turned against me, Blax’s seems to have done the damage to himself. Cuckold, children turned agisnt me, hostile legal system, betrayed by….. well practically everyone but my father and brother and my brothers cause everyone else back her play….. Like I said brothers, I’m no snow flake and my story ain’t much different then y’alls. Fact is my story wouldn’t be remarkable at all if I had a more main stream job tittle The fucked… Read more »
@SJF. Thanks man. Distilled truth.
The large majority of marriages are the culmination of Blue Pill conditioned men fulfilling their role as cuckolded provider for women cashing out of the sexual marketplace.
You will never escape her impression that you were so optionless…
(I dare add) you had to beg her used up worthless ass to be your wife! She was left behind by the real men, who would not keep her even as a girlfriend let alone a wife!
Vektor
I haven’t watched the video about Heinlein yet, but I’ve read his books and even as a youth I understood one thing about him – he didn’t know a damned thing about women. All of his female characters were wrong to the point of being bizarre. They weren’t Men with Tits or Kung Fu Princesses, they were, inhuman. Alien creatures.
Follow up:
http://news.sky.com/story/transgender-man-trystan-reese-gives-birth-to-healthy-baby-boy-10972616
https://www.360nobs.com/2017/07/hayden-cross-britains-first-pregnant-man-gives-birth-baby-girl/
All NHS personnel have been directed to stop referring to expectant mothers as expectant mothers, so as not to offend the mother if he happens to be a “man.”
Someday some woman who claims to be a transgendered man who is a transgendered woman who calls herself Loretta is going to have a baby.
Don’t be surprised if Space-Time around the Earth folds in on itself.
kfg
FTGE…
“come Armageddon, come Armeggedon come…”
They weren’t Men with Tits or Kung Fu Princesses, they were, inhuman. Alien creatures.
………..
Well then seems like he got it about right then
@Sentient: “FTGE…”
KFG: ” . . .woman who claims to be a transgendered man who is a transgendered woman . . .”
These already exist. Women who claim to be boys, named Sue, because the “boy” they self-identify as self-identifies as female gendered. It’s just a matter of one who happens to be named Loretta having a baby now.
“come Armageddon, come Armeggedon come…”
At this point it’s difficult to see how it can’t.
@Ton: “Well then seems like he got it about right then”
I get the joke, but human women are not inhuman, they are human women who are not human men.
Heilein’s women aren’t. They’re something else wearing women’s “skins.” Alien creatures who are alien to women.
Don’t know if they ate whole live rats behind the scenes or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FyqTQ9ywnc
Good post over on Black Label Logic that dovetails nicely with this post: https://blacklabellogic.com/2017/08/03/red-pill-logic-justice-merit-and-karma/ The blue pill man is in a position where he is frequently in the role of “Giver”, yet he is surrounded by a population that has rejected the old social contract and largely consists of takers. However, he is himself a man who desires to be a taker, yet fails to be one. Thus, one could argue that the blue pill man is in a position of being taken advantage of for the benefit of the group to which he belongs, while secretly resenting them for… Read more »
@Rollo ” Blue Pill MRA Troll: “You monetize your site/self by making money from your books, fuck you!” Rollo: “All the material in my books is freely available on my (unmoderated) blog.” Blue Pill MRA Troll: “Your books are worthless because they all consist of free stuff on your blog” Rollo:… ” lol… ya know, as f*ked up as that seems, i think you should take it for the win that it is… that’s what it looks like when your RP delivery system (your books/blog/etc) is being effective… it’s causing cognitive dissonance in men infused with FI/BP propaganda… which they… Read more »
@blax
nice posts on vetting chicks and your divorce story — I think they go together well. Do you have anything to add about your current wife, like what you did right?
I think its good to have the rules spelled out, then a story of not following those rules and then another when you do.
@ hank The biggest ” rule ” I think I’ve learned, at one that all men need to internalize, is do not go BLUE . Blue kills. Like Sentient and Ton, I was in a very weird space in my head. In my case I isolated myself in a hotel room for around 3 weeks or so. During that time I was physically ill and my chest hurt so much that I went to the emergency room one night, because I swore I was having a heart attack. One of the most dangerous aspects of my ” depressed ” state… Read more »
@ hank O/T side comment – Around 2 years ago wifey took yoga classes in NYC with her friends. They got a discount package deal thing. She’d already started getting a little muscular from working out and lifting so heavy. She’s since backed off of the heavy lifting but she is addicted to the yoga thing. She messages her former instructor all the time and she showed me her site and her blog ( which I think is defunct now…) Lotsa bending shit and whatnot, but I found a much better video on youtube of the instructor from a few… Read more »
Vet. Vet Vet Vet. Choose wisely.
And you’ll still see plenty of men on the married redpill reddits lamenting that their low-notch count wife (or virgin at marriage) with religious upbringing and conservative opinions has cheated on them and/or left them.
If you choose wisely and you’re a betabitch, it might take longer for her to cheat on you or divorce you, but it’s still gonna happen eventually.
Tarl
You need to go back and read my tips on vetting.
Virgin, low notch count, blah blah blah is not vetting. It’s a sucker’s bet.
True though, beta is a death sentence.
Why is vetting such a hard concept to understand? I’m beginning to see why so many men on reddit forums have faced so much turmoil.
“…low-notch count wife (or virgin at marriage) with religious upbringing and conservative opinions has cheated on them and/or left them. ”
Get this, all of that shit means nothing.
Watch what they do, not what they say.
Maybe a little less reddit and a little more red pill.
Test
Blaximus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOnoRwxQYcQ
Keep vetting was doing that today and realized i needed to get it out of myself…
Blax
Those reddit guys waited three dates for a handy…
Look at Tarls “vetting”, he is looking at things like a beta… Lookimg for societal third parties to do the work for him.
He can’t vet because he doesn’t know women… And doesn’t know what he wants in woman.
“A man must never be lulled into such a sense of security that he forgets this.”
Lion Tamers who forget this – with married or unmarried lionesses – end up as lunch.
@Dr Zipper Great cite on the BlackLabelLogic essay. Totally based on blue pill men not understanding that The Matrix is bent on stealing plugged in men’s energy at every turn in their career. Energy stealing is the sine qua non of The Matrix and Social Conventions and the Feminine Imperative. Not to mention the sexual strategy stealing of men’s sexual strategy by Feminism. Denial, anger, bargaining and depression are counterproductive in dealing with This Fact. They are however normal emotions and however one can work through them to get to Acceptance is key to getting to a state in which… Read more »
Had a absolutely great day hanging out with SJF at his wildlife habitat/farm. The picnic table piled up with firearms, beers, bourbon and cigars. Fantastic time exploring SJF’s property, talking red pill, drinking and finishing up with tasty grilled steaks. Superb fellowship and hospitality. Stopped to piss and gas up off the highway. Two older guys hauling a fishing boat started trash talking about my Ohio license plate. I fully engaged with humor and we trash talk while gassing the Jeep. I said, hey you think it’s bad I’m from Ohio, check out my hoodie! Flashed the Browns logo, laughter… Read more »
Tired, forgot the link for my photo.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/153483617@N08/36228620282/
Is a cooler full of beer, borubon and ammo an uncommon occurrence in your neck of the woods? Cause around here they’d make fun of you for the bud light and the Berreta
Right certian it was BV who introduced the term Sovereign Masculinity for how we are living but thanks for the ht