What I’m going to get into today is going to be kind of dark. I’m doing this not to exacerbate any guy’s negative feelings, but to shed some light on the reality of how divorce operates in the United States as well as many other western societies. A lot of guys tend to focus on the logistics, the laws, the process of how a divorce proceeds. Much of what I see coming from Men’s Rights advocates about divorce centers on the need for legal and institutional reform of the process in their misguided hopes of creating a more ‘equal’ state between men and women. From what I understand, MRA’s primary hope (for most every issue they address) is that this reform can come from a top-down approach – changing the system to be more fair – rather than confronting the fact that these laws, divorce and others, are manifestations of an endemic social dynamic that is based on a fundamentally unfair, unequal interrelation between the sexes.
What I’m going to focus on here is dissecting this process, but doing so from a Red Pill aware perspective. While it may be the purview of the MRM that this process is fundamentally corrupt and in need of reform (I agree), what they willingly ignore is the root level inequalities that are part of men and women’s evolved differences that are the source of this process. This isn’t meant to be some take-down of the MRM; I find their causes worthy enough, but I believe their approach to solving them to be fundamentally flawed due to a refusal to accept the core, evolved differences in men and women and a stubborn refusal to reject the ideals of egalitarian equalism that the feminism they claim to hate is ostensibly founded on.
This system is designed to create conflict, but that conflict is rooted in the presumption that men are always at fault in it. This is why there can never be an equalist solution to correcting the endemic problems of modern divorce procedures.
At present I have a personal friend I’m counseling who is in the opening phases of this process. He and his soon to be Ex are also in ‘marriage therapy’. First thing I ask, “is it a man or woman therapist?” He says woman. I say, you’re fucked; start planning your exit now.
He agrees, but still has that Blue Pill hope he’s not wasting his money (she’s a SAHM) and they’ll be able to negotiate some mutually amicable feigning of her desire for him. When we invest ourselves in something we’ve accepted is supposed to be effective we’ll hold on to hope that it will because there’s a part of us (especially in idealistic men) that doesn’t like to think we are able to be conned. This is a very well studied psych phenomenon. We convince ourselves that we ‘got something out of’ an experience regardless of it being a provably bad investment. We like to believe that in all labor there is profit, but reality shows us, quite often, that this simply isn’t true.
I gave him a list of things to keep in his head as he was going to these counseling sessions, but I also told him the truth that marriage counseling is almost always ‘last stop before toll’ and that he needs to be careful now because his wife will eagerly use this therapist’s testimony to destroy his character at a later date. That’s the profit model for therapists in divorce proceedings. They’re getting paid when you’re coming and going.
I told him she will turn into someone he never thought she could become and most of it will be at the prodding of their therapist and her attorney (who he’ll also be paying). It’s in all of their best interests that they create a monster of him. The male anger bias I write about here will be the primary basis for his character assassination.
Anything even remotely, positively masculine or Alpha is still a ‘man being a man’ and this can always be reinterpreted as potentially aggressive or violent. In a feminine-primary social order where feminized men and women are taught that men are inherently evil and prone to anger and violence (the “culture” of masculinity) there’s an army of women and White Knight sympathizing men who want nothing more than to stick it to the ‘man’ symbolically. And when they draw a paycheck from doing so they’re all the more eager. Add to this that they feel a sense of moral justification in “making the world a better place” by burning him in an effigy of all men and you get to where we are now. We presently live in a social order that presumes any masculinity is “toxic” or “hyper” masculinity. So disassociated from anything positive has society become with regard to conventional masculinity that just the term is now masculinity is a negative connotation.
Needless to say this will be the starting point from which a soon-to-be-divorced man will have his undoing begin. So prevalent is the presumption of abuse on a man’s part that even the most saintly father can be remade into a secret monster. It’s just ‘how guys are’ and this presumption also serves as a point of justification for women, and Blue Pill male sympathizers, to feel okay about pillorying him.
Yes, I understand that there is at least a reportedly higher incidence of men being the abuser in domestic cases, but we also have to understand that the definition of “abuse” has been rendered so ambiguous that most men don’t realize virtually anything they do in a domestic confrontation can fit the definition of “abuse”. Just raising one’s voice is enough to qualify as psychological abuse. Denying a woman access to money also fits a new definition of abuse. I once counseled a guy who had been taken to jail for snatching the car keys away from his drunk wife so as to prevent her from driving drunk. She called the police and, as you likely know, the man is always the party removed from the home by police. Snatching the keys was enough to qualify his removal. 5 months later he’s living with his parents (at 43) and paying rent on a home and car payments on a car only his now ex is allowed to occupy and drive.
I know how my friend’s story is going to end. I’m doing what I can to give him fair warning – it’d be better for him to completely pull up stakes and remove himself from the situation than stick around and ‘try to make it work’ because the longer he lingers the more ammunition she and the therapist potentially get. I think this is also the profit model; keep the Blue Pill chump husband around the house for as long as it takes to build him up as a stereotypical ‘man’ and then escalate the most marginal conflict as a ‘typical’ domestic violence incident and he’s gone. If you watch the above documentary on the divorce industry you’ll see how many lucrative profit opportunities there are at every stage of divorce; and there is no incentive to dissuade divorce profiteers from doing anything different. And, as I stated earlier, there are many ready-made social and moral conventions available to help them justify their profits.
Old Books and New Books
‘No one cares how mean your ex was, how unfair she was to you and so on … at the end of the day, the system can’t right wrongs, they only process your case’
The above and following quote was from an article in the National Post, Family court advice for men, from one who’s made it through;
I’ve had hundreds and hundreds of notes; on a gender breakdown, probably 80 percent are from men, 20 percent from women.
I’ve heard from family court lawyers, some of whom are angry at my suggestions that fathers get the tough end of the stick in child custody cases (though the actual evidence is reasonably clear that they do), some of whom say “the whole system is B.S … one of the first things out of my mouth when I see someone is, ‘What’s your budget and how much does he/she dislike you?’” I’ve heard from judges and former judges and psychologists and counsellors.
Without exception, they agree that the system is beyond broken.
What we have, fundamentally, in the state of modern divorce is a conflict between old books social contracts serving as the ethical basis of a new books resource transfer from men to women (Thomas Ball even described it as such). Really this conflict is at the root of much of what Red Pill awareness (from the social perspective of intersexual dynamics) describes, but in this instance there’s an entire social complex that influences policy and profit. Judges, attorneys, psychologists and counselors all make a very good living from this fundamental conflict; and if you watch the Divorce Incorporated documentary I linked you’ll see that there’s no incentive to ever change that profitable conflict at any stage.
However, all of the people involved in even a typical western divorce are all subject to the belief sets that the Feminine Imperative has predisposed them to about men and women. We presume a default state of victimhood is to be applied to a woman and the benefit of that victimhood doubt runs deep. We see it evolve into the kangaroo court systems that govern what we’re told to believe is an endemic ‘rape culture’ on college campuses – up to and beyond denying a man his civil rights.
We’re taught that any slight appearance of abuse towards a woman is an opportunity to teach any man doing so a lesson, but should a man be the victim of the same abuse? Well, he probably had it coming. The Feminine Imperative has (and still is in some senses) prepared women and Blue Pill men to believe that women are untouchable; always to be believed, by default, in their victim status no matter the circumstance.
Now we can expand this presumption to every party involved in a divorce proceeding. We get female therapists whose livelihoods depend on following the victimhood of women and demonization of men (and masculinity) script the Feminine Imperative has laid out for them for most of their lives. We get Blue Pill Alphas eager to prove their authority by punishing any man who might remind them of their asshole fathers or who fits their idea of what the imperative has taught him is a “misogynist”. The imperative plays to the natural ‘protector’ impulse of these men. We get well-conditioned attorneys, counsellors and judges ready to follow that same script by legally enacting the retribution and restitution upon which feminism has always been based.
But underneath all of this we have the fundamental inequalities in ideology between what the old books social contract expects of men while the divorce industry enforces, almost unilaterally male, punishment based on a new books social paradigm to better empower women – presumably to right the past wrongs they believe were endemic in that old books paradigm. What we have today are new books divorce and marital laws based on those old books presumptions of men’s evils, indiscretions and addressing the toll it allegedly took on women. The result is a system that is designed to psychologically, financially and personally ruin any man whose idealism led him to believe that men and women share some mutually recognized concept of love; enough to compel him to a lifetime commitment in modern marriage. It is a system calculated to destroy the same Blue Pill conditioned men who will eagerly stand up to defend their ego-investments in it.
The common refrain to this is always “just don’t get married”, and it is precisely this system’s goal to disincentivize long term commitment between the sexes so that this response is the only logical one. Thus, we get women spending small fortunes to freeze their eggs in the hopes that one day some man will be foolishly idealistic enough to look past all the inherent life-threatening risks marriage and divorce uniquely disposes men to. Thus, we get old books moralists berating men for wanting to prolong their adolescence (never mind women doing so is considered empowerment) by avoiding the dangers of marriage that they’ve been smart enough to understand, or have been a party to in one way or another.
In my next essay I’ll be addressing the misguided opinion of some ‘stand up’ Purple Pill moralists that the Red Pill is “just for guys who are obsessed with sex and make getting laid their life’s mission”. I’ll elaborate on why this is simply a distraction from the much larger meta-scope of Red Pill awareness and intersexual dynamics. However, understanding how the divorce industry is based on the same dynamics the Red Pill has described for a decade and a half is a good illustration of why the Red Pill isn’t just about men basing their lives on getting laid. This system is fundamentally unegalitarian and unequal, and the designed imbalances are entirely founded in Red Pill intersexual principles. This is why the MRM will never be successful in their hopes of a top down institution of social change. The laws and the social imperatives that crush men are symptoms of a deeper problem that requires a bottom up changing of men’s minds about women and themselves.
When both spouses are in counseling together, there is no confidentiality in many states and the counselor can indeed testify. In mystate they can and will. It is clearly outlined in the confidentiality statement of the counselor. I In my case I believe the motivation was from the counselor and not my wife because he was wounded and vengeful over the fact I confronted and exposed him again and again with the Bible. He was never called, but told me clearly he would do so on behalf of my wife due to my spiritual and emotional abuse and anger. Damn… Read more »
@SIF “And in my opinion Complementarianism of male/ female relationships comes before any “Set of Books”.” Yes, I agree. But… the default mental frame for most will conflate complementarianism with idealized reciprocity. And… Men and women are just as contentious as they are complementary. This contentiousness also exists before any set of books. As Rollo says (in effect) many times throughout his work…for one genders strategy to succeed the other must fail. “The hardest role to play is the one where you play yourself and allow yourself to remove the mask and be yourself.” ― Vadim Zeland, Reality transurfing. Steps… Read more »
@George C,
“You psychologically reduce the person or assume the worse (sic)”.
So George, please show me what in my comments here have caused you to erroneously assume that?
“We do it with the Chinese, blacks and women.” Who does “we” refer to? Are you speaking for yourself? Do you have some unassuaged guilt that you feel compelled to express?
@I.H. I’m not here to dissect everything. I’ve cut a snippet and posted it below. At present I have a personal friend I’m counseling who is in the opening phases of this process. He and his soon to be Ex are also in ‘marriage therapy’. First thing I ask, “is it a man or woman therapist?” He says woman. I say, you’re fucked; start planning your exit now. Not all woman are biased. Do you know what it takes to get certified as a therapist in the United States? These people are trained to see a person on many levels.… Read more »
George C. “Aspects of Rollo’s site are monetized.” Yes he does sell books, so what? The question is does chasing the $ bias what is being said?
This web-page is free to read all the essays you want.
Everyone has an agenda whether monetary or ego-driven.
@Pinelero, the fundamentals of a business is profitability. The purpose of a business is to make money. Can we rest this topic. Rollo is no different than the therapist he rails about in his post.
What is this telling us? He he he
The women are the wives of the guy coming in the door. The man opening the door just fucked them all.
Yes he does sell books, so what?
Well, you can buy no books and read nothing, or you can read about how to live as a transgender, or you can read about the cosmos and physics, or you can read about how to bake cup cakes, or…
You really can buy and read whatever you want to read.
It’s up to you.
George C
George C: ” The books . . . I’ve bought some to explore Rollo’s theories.” If you had a simple and direct answer to my simple and direct question, why didn’t you simply provide it? That Rollo sells books does not imply a profit (NYT bestsellers often fail to return a profit. Only authors who consistently produce bestsellers make much more than lunch money from writing). That the site has an external link to those books on a website that is otherwise pure labor and expense does not imply that the site, where the material in the books is available… Read more »
“The purpose of a business is to make money.”
This is not correct. There is an entire class of business that is legally prohibited from making money. There are also legal trade enterprises which are legally prohibited from being classified as a business.
“Can we rest this topic.”
Can you pull your thoughts together and order them in some logical coherence? And maybe learn something about what you’re talking about?
@KFG, Honestly, your comments are right on. I rest my case.
@I.H. I forget to add this comment. When I said “We” I used that for US Society in general.
All of us are subject to groupthink at times…that was my point but we have to be vigilant against it individually.
George C. “the fundamentals of a business is profitability” . Your assuming this is a business venture.
At any rate, if Rollo does make some cash from me my buying his books that’s great and doesn’t bother me one bit.
The question still remain is how does making $ (if any) influence what is being said/written?
Get a better line of trolling… this one’s played out and not effective.
@Pinelero, I think my line of thinking is sound and as I’ve said before Rollo is no different than the therapists he rails on. CASE CLOSED!!! Your free to continue to comment though on whatever moves you 🙂
Guys, it’s obvious that Georgie boy came here with his own personal wrong headed agenda. He also has an issue with reading comprehension.
Best to ignore boy George.
@Pinelero: “The question still remain is how does making $ (if any) influence what is being said/written?”
I could answer that at book length, but I’d be at some pains to explain how it applied to The Rational Male (which is not a business). If Rollo shut down the site but maintained his level of labor, he’d make more money.
@George C: ” I think my line of thinking is sound . . .”
Yes. That’s the problem.
“CASE CLOSED!!!”
Q.E.D.
@I.H. What’s my personal wrong headed agenda? Tell the audience so they can all know the truth, LMFAO! This should be interesting.
Geroge C. Not
It’s not just a degree… they require supervised training to ensure the highest quality in their roles.
This just keeps getting better and better. Is this Emily?
NBTM
The women are the wives of the guy coming in the door. The man opening the door just fucked them all.
The women where the wives of those guys whose heads are in the lower right… the rest of your statement is correct all the same…
stage right.
“Not all woman are biased. Do you know what it takes to get certified as a therapist in the United States? These people are trained to see a person on many levels. It’s not just a degree… they require supervised training to ensure the highest quality in their roles.” George C. – Please consider that most of what you “believe” are paradigms that you have been conditioned, brain washed to pretend to your self. There is just no other honest way to explain it. You have come here for a reason. That reason can only be because you aren’t satisfied… Read more »
“Best to ignore boy George.”
That’s pretty funny right there.
I’m imagining the scene analogous to ASDGamer (no offense ASD, I like you) walking into SFC Ton’s bar and trash talking the place and owner. Because of his own agenda, never having been there before.
Read and think, take the time to read, comprehend and think, digest, give yourself time.
Important steps… but after reading and thinking, try observing and acting in real life, in accordance to what you’ve read and thought, and take note of what is happening around you. Actions. Tests… reality. etc.
Why does someone like George get so much attention? He/she has contributed absolutely nothing to the subject, unless this gem counts: “Humans are complex”
It is nothing more than trolling and too many have taken the bait and the comments are completely hijacked.
Nobody needs to defend Rollo’s intentions or motives. It’s not relevant. It’s a diversion tactic.
Lessons in how to think and process information? Seriously?
Giving others permission to comment further? Seriously?
Lessons in how to think and process information? Seriously?
Sadly it’s come to this D…
ENOUGH
Oh wait…so, first I read, then I think, then take time, then read, then comprehend, then think, then digest, then give myself time. This is incredible. I’m gonna try it
this from somebody “looking for wisdom not pseudo wisdom”. I don’t blame him/her/it because him/her/it has far to go
” . . . brain washed to pretend to your self. There is just no other honest way to explain it.”
Small amygdala, large anterior cingulate cortex.
@Donegoner
Yup.
Troll? Maybe
Someone looking for answers? Maybe
More than enough said at this point.
Shared parenting bills are being introduced nationwide (USA) mainly based upon grass-roots movements.
What will be interesting is how shared parenting laws that are enacted will be co-opted by feminist to continue to extract men’s resources or how trad-cons or BPs will try to use it as means to keep a man around.
@donegoner
“Oh wait…so, first I read, then I think, then take time, then read, then comprehend, then think, then digest, then give myself time. This is incredible. I’m gonna try it”
Why?? Aren’t you already done gone?
@Donegoner
Did you go with George?
“What will be interesting is how shared parenting laws that are enacted will be co-opted by feminist . . .”
Men will travel from the dorms to the single family houses, bearing food, gifts and to mow the lawn, because one of the kids might possibly be kinda theirs.
Misapplied and misappropriated on my part. In context I understand. This turn the thread has taken is dumbing me down I fear. Pardon asked, carry on.
ENOUGH ENOUGH I cant take it anymore…AAAAAAGGGHHHHHH!!!!! https://www.google.com/search?q=crazy+train&ie=&oe= All aboard! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay Crazy, but that’s how it goes Millions of people living as foes Maybe it’s not too late To learn how to love And forget how to hate Mental wounds not healing Life’s a bitter shame I’m going off the rails on a crazy train I’m going off the rails on a crazy train Let’s go! I’ve listened to preachers I’ve listened to fools I’ve watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned… Read more »
Love the Castanza bit tho, gonna use it
okay, my final answer: it’s a female/tranny/fag ESL bot troll
I was going to add disingenuous, illogical, half-baked, attention-craving member of the RP dilettanti but that’s all wrapped in my final answer
not totally sure about the ESL bot part, however
@newlyaloof Rollo Culum but on the other hand, you know that marriage used to be a stable way to raise a family. So I guess we must find a way to raise stable kids outside of marriage. … I wish this were still true. It should be true, but unfortunately the proposition is still rooted in and dependent on the stability of the marriage – which is largely domineering, authoritarian, “empowered” wives and submissive Beta husbands today. Marriage is no longer a stable way to raise children when statistically men will have those children removed from his influence and become… Read more »
@Donegoner Why does someone like George get so much attention? He/she has contributed absolutely nothing to the subject, bc as sad as this concept is, trolls like george really don’t present all that much differently than a standard issue bluepill man looking for some answers… and it takes some interaction to figure that out… also, for pedantic throughness… bc there are many men reading along who never comment, but are soaking in the information… and any ‘unmet challenge’ to the correctness of RP observations (of Rollo or others) might give some of those men a buffer… to make it easier… Read more »
@Curious George @roused, I missed your comment here. Sorry about that. I don’t know whether to pity you or lie further to you. Is seduction your only focus when dealing with women? You guys talk with terms like “alpha” and “beta” and you call it “Leading” but do you know that the Alpha attracts the weakest type of woman. Is this in your best interest long term? I don’t ask for pity, a BJ is preferable, from a woman of course. Seduction? You are judging a book by its cover. You know what happened to Curious George in all the… Read more »
“… bc there are many men reading along who never comment, but are soaking in the information…”
And because it isn’t uncommon for other drive bys to level the same accusation. This time I thought I’d directly address it, this once, so it’s there.
You don’t want to let them draw you into an interminable argument over their rhetorical disqualifiers, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have an argument.
I appreciate the insight.
“Alpha attracts all women, except lesbians and mentally ill.” This is very true. In approach I have found absolutely no difference between a bar girls, supermarket shoppers, domestic workers, professionals in real estate and title industries, chicks in the park or at the beach, bankers, and others. Rules of attraction apply to all. I also am all too familiar with cluster b types and this set is unpredictable, most likely to be offended and attempt to publicly embarass/disgrace you or make a production of exiting. All healthy and normal females respond well to forward, confident, direct words and gestures in… Read more »
If hypergamy is a reality then I can say that all women who get married settle to some extent. There is always a bigger better deal whether she believes she can have it or not. Staying married is not the way of the natural woman unless there are severe consequences for leaving. Divorce is the natural sequalae when the culture and the law in the west removes the only reason for most women to stay married. But that most married guys in the west have had to live with and fuck a woman who is not up for it is… Read more »
When I watch most western movies it appears to me most of them are based on a theme where the man/men is supposed to sacrifice his life for some woman/women for nothing in return The return is doing what is right for the collective good. This is not limited to women, substitute any ideal and it works… Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. John 15:13 This has a lot to do with it, but the idea predates this… It’s built in. Related Concept: The Golden Rule So whatever you wish that… Read more »
Might be Rollo’s most important post ever, and that’s saying something. The weak defense of Family Court I’ve often seen is, “Yes, the system used to have some problems, but reforms have fixed that–it’s much more equitable now.” Don’t believe it. It’s as bad as ever. A family member just finalized a divorce in California after being driven to bankruptcy and forced to sell his home by obscene spousal support and child support payments–this despite them living in the same house with their kids at the time of the support rulings. She didn’t have a job–still doesn’t–so he was paying… Read more »
The return is doing what is right for the collective good. and that doing this good is its own reward…
“The statement most likely came from one trying to rationalize his own frustrations/failures as he miserably parrots what his “strongest type of woman” has told him” He’s employing Sneaky Fucker empathy game to get into the pants of the Strongest Type of woman, unaware that the Strongest Type of woman told him this thing as her way, being a not very desirable woman, to try to raise her own apparent market value, by lowering the value of truly desirable women, so she doesn’t have to settle for the Sneaky Fucker. The Sneaky Fucker will be outraged at this suggestion, because,… Read more »
I really worry about the kids in that situation.
See “collective good” above…
@Rollo
Something that must be noted about marriage counseling is that even if it “works” and “saves” you from divorce, the man is the one who still loses.
What does he lose? his balls (and money as well). I have a cousin who started counseling to save his marriage, at the end he didn´t divorce but he was completely emasculated and betaizaed. He used to be a kind of lesser Alpha, now he is Beta as fuck.
“A culture that is trying to hoodwink men to just die, just disappear, give up their hard earned livelihood for nothing in return; that culture is dead.”
A culture in which men do not hold women in some sort of regard and sacrifice themselves for them is dead even sooner, because it no longer has any members, because they all died.
You do not have to pedestalize women to recognize this as so.
There.Is.No.Equality.
Life.Is.Not.Fair. It simply is what it is, because if it weren’t, it wouldn’t be.
Ok…. It’s what I expected, But… My daughter graduated high school this past may and has begun college. She is currently enrolled in a critical writing class at a local community college to practice essay writing before attending university this fall. This is because her high school focused highly on STEM and she needs the writing practice. High school was lacking in this area. Well… here we go as I anticipated… Her third writing assignment was based upon the following “article”: https://www.cusd80.com/cms/lib6/AZ01001175/Centricity/Domain/2120/Supremacy%20Crimes%20Gloria%20Steinem.pdf Although Steinem’s (article?) histrionic schizophrenic rant is impossible to make intelligent sense of, the primary theme of it… Read more »
NBTM
http://www.universalhub.com/files/images/photos/ropewalk.jpg
Double shifts now required…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrjFJWhd9Bo
” . . . critical writing class . . .”
To get Critical Theory into the schools it was rebranded as Critical Thinking, which is what parents want their kids to learn, which it is, of course, the opposite of.
“Double shifts now required…”
We’re gonna need more lampposts as well.
Earlier I spoke of futility of vetting due to hypergamy and lack of moral agency in females. My experience has shown that it does not take a stronger/richer/better man, but any lure of something better, commonly the eat-pray-love scenario, but also goading from other married females testing the water, or from outright pressure from bitter and discontent divorcees who don’t want to suffer alone. I do not think my ex would have ever divorced if she had a better circle of friends and I’m not sure this circle even exists because where would they be found? Certainly weren’t in the… Read more »
“Lay down his life for his friends.”
This I think excludes hateful bitches.
Social Justice Warrior admits Equality is a big, fat lie:
“Privilege in general is “the receipt of certain benefits wholly through accident of birth and it is “undeniable that privilege itself is a reality . . . ”
But asserts that you shouldn’t feel guilty about it:
” . . . guilt is an impediment to social-justice action . . .”
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/29/update-not-being-stupid-is-cognitive-privilege-now-which-is-just-like-white-privilege/
@KFG
Funny shit. The characters of Sneaky Fucker and Strongest Type of Woman have really come to life. Could be a sitcom.
“Lay down his life for his friends.”
Hmmm…..
Must consider the context. He was primarily not a man. Being a man was his secondary identity. He was “God” first and foremost. The story is that God died for man, not that man should try to emulate God. God provided an atonement, not a temptation or a dare.
@NBTM:
The 300 were pagans.
A family member of mine got divorced after 17 years of marriage. Three children. The first they adopted from SE Asia after he laid out over $20K of expenses to get it done as she was frantic. They then conceived their second child immediately after the adoption of the first was finalized. Weird. He earned over half a million dollars in annual income. High-performer executive. 30+ years of consecutive service. Lack of sexual attraction, incessant arguments, caustic attitude and disagreements about money (she was a shopaholic) drove them apart. Then one day she apparently decided it would be a good… Read more »
Constrainedlocus They then conceived their second child immediately after the adoption of the first was finalized. Weird. Actually very common. And he still got betrayed and cut down by the one person who was to care for him. Once again… look at his actions, and inaction… So much of her behavior is acting out, testing for a boundary that never is realized… because guys fail to enforce any boundaries… because uncomfortable… Sorry. Stuff like this disagreements about money (she was a shopaholic) are cries out for being put in her place. This is disrespect. And this kind of unchecked disrespect… Read more »
On Boundary setting, Related… From CH commenter Vagina Dominator regarding the suggesting he could wash an apple for dinner…
What? Wash a fucking apple? You think I’m here to have you shit-talk me? Come here. Come heere. Where’s your fucking suitcase? I said where’d you put your fucking suitcase? What are you fucking deaf? What am I going to do? I’m going to put all of your fucking trash into the fucking suitcase and throw it into the fucking street. And you’ll be following it.
Wash a fucking apple.
Never let a female establish boundaries or even use the kind of language that speaks of boundaries. That is the biggest self help relationship pop psych bullshit there is. Designed specifically to undermine and confuse.
The Devil. He is in the details. Always.
…. wash a fucking apple
LMAO!!!!!!
Blue Pill MRA Troll: “You monetize your site/self by making money from your books, fuck you!”
Rollo: “All the material in my books is freely available on my (unmoderated) blog.”
Blue Pill MRA Troll: “Your books are worthless because they all consist of free stuff on your blog”
Rollo:…
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You know what? I’ve never been in a relationship or had a plate that spoke to me disrespectfully. It might have happened once, but it was never repeated. ONS’s , I didn’t pay attention to anything they happened to say, so zfg about their words. When I was younger and single-er , I would wake up in the morning and go on the hunt all day long. I didn’t know shit about pua…lol. But I’d approach 20 chicks every day, everywhere, easy. Everything with tits over an hb5 or 6 got hit on. In retrospect, normally out of 20 chicks… Read more »
@ Rollo
Lol.
Have the snip,
Don’t marry,
Don’t date single moms
Until alimony is abolished.
Blax
how do the majority of men vet women they date or marry?
Majority? Does it have pussy? Will it let me touch it?
That is about it.
blax – to vet, I moved slowly, dated 3-4yrs, cohabitated 2 of those, then marriage, then child I checked her mothering skills (single mom, I know, I know); got to know her family, introduced her to mine; all well there, except my wise grandmother smelled failure from the get-go (I sure miss her, and shoulda listened to her more) she was educated (attorney), pretty, fun, charming, definitely someone I could hang on my arm, show in public, and be proud assumptions: – I knew women better than I actually did – that the BP dream was valid and as long… Read more »
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MPoO, Boundaries… Platinum Rule
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@SJF
I’m imagining the scene analogous to ASDGamer (no offense ASD, I like you) walking into SFC Ton’s bar and trash talking the place and owner. Because of his own agenda, never having been there before.
I cannot imagine doing such a thing to any bar owner. If I don’t like a place, I leave. I can’t remember trash talking any business. Except one, where the owner was a cheating, no good, chiseling developer who hired criminals. A remodeler.
@George
Mature people negotiate to the middle and each should give up something to strengthen the deal.
fantasy shit
Pussies negotiate in the middle and give up shit to stronger frames
@Sentient (about Constrained Locus’ divorced friend) You lay down what the guy should have done. (I’m assuming it’s what you would have and have always done) but why? He should have tried to hang on to that bitch? Why? He should have maintained his ‘hand’ and ‘frame,’ pass her shit tests to keep her? Isn’t he better off without an asshole like that? I don’t get why it would have been better to handle her right and keep her in check. So say he passes the shit test and gets to enter his 23rd year of marriage with the same… Read more »
Things will get really interesting when the current police state has no more money (that is worth anything) to pay its stormtroopers. Introduce hyper-inflation (which always happens eventually with paper money) and the jig is up. Can you imagine the vicious violence that would occur if the huge totalitarian edifice were to go away? How many divorced men will head back home for a little chat with their ex if they knew that 911 wasn’t a possibility? All the nightmares about violent men would come true in a heart beat and the women richly deserve this. The pendulum needs to… Read more »
yo blax, since you brought it up, I’m interested in your take on vetting, I’m all ears if you have the time and inclination
“Can you imagine the vicious violence that would occur if the huge totalitarian edifice were to go away?”
All too well.
“How many divorced men will head back home for a little chat with their ex . . .”
Not very many, they will be “otherwise engaged.” The breakdown of civil society does not look like everything’s the same except now I can do that one thing I’ve always felt like doing and I won’t get into trouble.
It looks more like this:
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how do the majority of men vet women they date or marry?
Poorly.
“You lay down what the guy should have done. (I’m assuming it’s what you would have and have always done) but why? He should have tried to hang on to that bitch? Why? He should have maintained his ‘hand’ and ‘frame,’ pass her shit tests to keep her? Isn’t he better off without an asshole like that? I don’t get why it would have been better to handle her right and keep her in check. So say he passes the shit test and gets to enter his 23rd year of marriage with the same weary, worn out, middle-aged ass. Yippee!… Read more »
“No one falls out of love with a valuable wife and mother of his children that need a complementary raising by a mother and a father.” Sorry, neglected the follow on sentence that: sometimes a husband and wife fail to maintain a relationship properly in a healthy and complementary way. In other words, they let entropy take over. Perhaps instructions in the way of Red Pill Awareness and Game could have helped if the purpose was to continue the relationship in the first order of business. Maybe a $500K business was more important than maintaining the LTR and Anna Karenina… Read more »
“he didn’t want her to lose her desire to fuck him rather than suck scout leaders cocks.”
Such unintentional comedy.
Some will say it was his fault, some will say who gives a shit about ‘losing’ an aging brat like this woman.
“some will say who gives a shit about ‘losing’ an aging brat like this woman” You are still making up a premise. Perhaps Constrainedlocus can clarify whether his “friend’s” wife had beauty and value. This is a common trope propagated here: “aging brat spouse with a wrinkled pussy”. All women are brats in 2017 even aged attractive wives with good form, face and figure with valuable complementary parenting skills in a “happy” family with valuable children who are bright and shiny young men and women. Guess whose burden that is to Not Squander to the fate of Divorce-Incorporated. It’s not… Read more »
Dr. Z Okay, since I brought up the subject, I’ll take a stab at outlining some of what I consider being key aspects of vetting a woman for an LTR or Marriage. Think of vetting as a massive, long running shit test of sorts for women. First – forget the appearances component. Kill how the way she looks influences your opinion of her. I’ve watched many men fall behind the super hottie. Also discount her religion/religious beliefs, level of education and where she went to school. In other words approach her as one big blank slate in your mind and… Read more »
fuck yeah, Blax, thanks wholeheartedly
some of those I knew, many I misinterpreted, some are brand new to me
my own variation that I’ve had forever, really just a slight restating of yours:
find a girl that you can act exactly the same around her as you do around your friends and family; same nasty jokes, body noises and recreational drugs, etc. no matter who’s around; not partaking necessarily, but certainly not offended or negative about it
I never liked the idea of having to wear a different mask depending upon who’s around
thanks again
I’m not making up a premise. We know how the story ended. It’s not mid-story. We have an omniscient point of view here. She showed her hand. We’re talking about a woman in her forties who hemorrhaged money, withheld sex from her husband, fought with him and sucked boy scout leader cock. To seduce her own son’s boy scout leader in a way that the neighborhood knew about is an absolute betrayal of not only her husband but her son. She’s a pig. You’re here STILL suggesting that it was the man’s fault and STILL thinking that maybe she had… Read more »
“We have an omniscient point of view here.” You are presuming that you have omniscience.You and we actually don’t. I claim missing details to your omniscience. If she had no value all bets are off the fucking table. No man should waste time with an invaluable woman (wife, mother or fucker. Don’t waste time with invaluable women.Time is your most valuable asset.). At the same time, whereas I’m not a moralist, truth be told: A man should raise his children well. What else is the purpose behind Rollo’s third book? “She showed her hand.” What about him having Hand? As… Read more »
Blaximus August 3, 2017 at 7:03 pm Dr. Z Okay, since I brought up the subject, I’ll take a stab at outlining some of what I consider being key aspects of vetting a woman for an LTR or Marriage. Think of vetting as a massive, long running shit test of sorts for women. First – forget the appearances component. Kill how the way she looks influences your opinion of her. I’ve watched many men fall behind the super hottie. Also discount her religion/religious beliefs, level of education and where she went to school. In other words approach her as one… Read more »
Vetting is a weird thing, its a profound form of social intelligence that some people are naturally talented at. I have very low social intelligence and tend to see the best in people, post hoc I can rationalise why people behave a certain way but when in the Lions den I have no clue. My alpha brother can almost spot it instantly, after constant barrages of ‘I told you so’ I now run them by him to get his opinion. Oddly I’ve found women are horrible and helping with the vetting, their own biases tend to get in the way.… Read more »
“She showed her hand” is a poker term. What kind of nance doesn’t know that? All the rest of your dribble was just some kind of “Best student in the class” signaling that was actually a bit uncomfortable to witness. The story was about a guy who escaped a monstrous wife and was able to skate through relatively unscathed. Then you came along and blamed the man while apparently hanging around for a description of this woman whose value is still unknown to you. Her value was very clearly stated by the details of the story. His fault though, eh?… Read more »
Well @bv and @done goner you both answered my therapist testifying question. Still trying to get my head around Donegoner’s sitch, how that was allowed to happen. Obviously to him it did, but it never should have been allowed. I know it’s all long gone for him but there’s a lesson for you younger guys. So corollary 2 to the question of seeing a marriage counselor is: while it’s a waste of time, doing it may serve you if you need to play for time. In that case, counseling agreement has an ironclad clause: both spouses are patients of the… Read more »
@Kaminsky
Then you came along and blamed the man
If the man didn’t set limits and hold a dominant frame, then he deserves some blame. That’s Red Pill truth. FI says that men shouldn’t be setting limits or dominating their wives…how is your position different than FI propaganda if you don’t assign some blame to the man?…FI says that the man is abusive/weak/a loser if the wife cheats. Sometimes the FI is correct (the “weak” choice), although generally the FI gaslights.
Fall out of love…..? What kind of blue pill simp falls in love with them?
My Dad used to say that women have one active brain among them that they have to share, so most days it won’t be your woman’s day with the brain. Lol.
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Truly your old man was full of wisdom and understanding. The Ton salutes him
@Kaminsky – what that wife did (boy scout leader etc) was not the husband’s *fault* – it was his *responsibility*. There’s a difference.
(I could explain more, but I’m channeling @kfg right now and I’m gonna leave it at that)
Being unplugged vor 8 months now, one of the hardest truths to swallow was the reality (the slim chances and actual risks) of a divorce. It was terrifying to the bone to realise, that I can only lose, that the single most powerful weapon of men in the dread game has been systematically, consciously eliminated in the last decades. It is one of those society-scale shit-tests, that western men already failed, a triumph of the female imperative (see also: The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies. We, men, are losing on a society-scale – but not necessarily on a personal scale).… Read more »