Divorce Incorporated

What I’m going to get into today is going to be kind of dark. I’m doing this not to exacerbate any guy’s negative feelings, but to shed some light on the reality of how divorce operates in the United States as well as many other western societies. A lot of guys tend to focus on the logistics, the laws, the process of how a divorce proceeds. Much of what I see coming from Men’s Rights advocates about divorce centers on the need for legal and institutional reform of the process in their misguided hopes of creating a more ‘equal’ state between men and women. From what I understand, MRA’s primary hope (for most every issue they address) is that this reform can come from a top-down approach – changing the system to be more fair – rather than confronting the fact that these laws, divorce and others, are manifestations of an endemic social dynamic that is based on a fundamentally unfair, unequal interrelation between the sexes.

What I’m going to focus on here is dissecting this process, but doing so from a Red Pill aware perspective. While it may be the purview of the MRM that this process is fundamentally corrupt and in need of reform (I agree), what they willingly ignore is the root level inequalities that are part of men and women’s evolved differences that are the source of this process. This isn’t meant to be some take-down of the MRM; I find their causes worthy enough, but I believe their approach to solving them to be fundamentally flawed due to a refusal to accept the core, evolved differences in men and women and a stubborn refusal to reject the ideals of egalitarian equalism that the feminism they claim to hate is ostensibly founded on.

This system is designed to create conflict, but that conflict is rooted in the presumption that men are always at fault in it. This is why there can never be an equalist solution to correcting the endemic problems of modern divorce procedures.

At present I have a personal friend I’m counseling who is in the opening phases of this process. He and his soon to be Ex are also in ‘marriage therapy’. First thing I ask, “is it a man or woman therapist?” He says woman. I say, you’re fucked; start planning your exit now.

He agrees, but still has that Blue Pill hope he’s not wasting his money (she’s a SAHM) and they’ll be able to negotiate some mutually amicable feigning of her desire for him. When we invest ourselves in something we’ve accepted is supposed to be effective we’ll hold on to hope that it will because there’s a part of us (especially in idealistic men) that doesn’t like to think we are able to be conned. This is a very well studied psych phenomenon. We convince ourselves that we ‘got something out of’ an experience regardless of it being a provably bad investment. We like to believe that in all labor there is profit, but reality shows us, quite often, that this simply isn’t true.

I gave him a list of things to keep in his head as he was going to these counseling sessions, but I also told him the truth that marriage counseling is almost always ‘last stop before toll’ and that he needs to be careful now because his wife will eagerly use this therapist’s testimony to destroy his character at a later date. That’s the profit model for therapists in divorce proceedings. They’re getting paid when you’re coming and going.

I told him she will turn into someone he never thought she could become and most of it will be at the prodding of their therapist and her attorney (who he’ll also be paying). It’s in all of their best interests that they create a monster of him. The male anger bias I write about here will be the primary basis for his character assassination.

Anything even remotely, positively masculine or Alpha is still a ‘man being a man’ and this can always be reinterpreted as potentially aggressive or violent. In a feminine-primary social order where feminized men and women are taught that men are inherently evil and prone to anger and violence (the “culture” of masculinity) there’s an army of women and White Knight sympathizing men who want nothing more than to stick it to the ‘man’ symbolically. And when they draw a paycheck from doing so they’re all the more eager. Add to this that they feel a sense of moral justification in “making the world a better place” by burning him in an effigy of all men and you get to where we are now. We presently live in a social order that presumes any masculinity is “toxic” or “hyper” masculinity. So disassociated from anything positive has society become with regard to conventional masculinity that just the term is now masculinity is a negative connotation.

Needless to say this will be the starting point from which a soon-to-be-divorced man will have his undoing begin. So prevalent is the presumption of abuse on a man’s part that even the most saintly father can be remade into a secret monster. It’s just ‘how guys are’ and this presumption also serves as a point of justification for women, and Blue Pill male sympathizers, to feel okay about pillorying him.

Yes, I understand that there is at least a reportedly higher incidence of men being the abuser in domestic cases, but we also have to understand that the definition of “abuse” has been rendered so ambiguous that most men don’t realize virtually anything they do in a domestic confrontation can fit the definition of “abuse”. Just raising one’s voice is enough to qualify as psychological abuse. Denying a woman access to money also fits a new definition of abuse. I once counseled a guy who had been taken to jail for snatching the car keys away from his drunk wife so as to prevent her from driving drunk. She called the police and, as you likely know, the man is always the party removed from the home by police. Snatching the keys was enough to qualify his removal. 5 months later he’s living with his parents (at 43) and paying rent on a home and car payments on a car only his now ex is allowed to occupy and drive.

I know how my friend’s story is going to end. I’m doing what I can to give him fair warning – it’d be better for him to completely pull up stakes and remove himself from the situation than stick around and ‘try to make it work’ because the longer he lingers the more ammunition she and the therapist potentially get. I think this is also the profit model; keep the Blue Pill chump husband around the house for as long as it takes to build him up as a stereotypical ‘man’ and then escalate the most marginal conflict as a ‘typical’ domestic violence incident and he’s gone. If you watch the above documentary on the divorce industry you’ll see how many lucrative profit opportunities there are at every stage of divorce; and there is no incentive to dissuade divorce profiteers from doing anything different. And, as I stated earlier, there are many ready-made social and moral conventions available to help them justify their profits.

Old Books and New Books

‘No one cares how mean your ex was, how unfair she was to you and so on … at the end of the day, the system can’t right wrongs, they only process your case’

The above and following  quote was from an article in the National Post, Family court advice for men, from one who’s made it through;

I’ve had hundreds and hundreds of notes; on a gender breakdown, probably 80 percent are from men, 20 percent from women.

I’ve heard from family court lawyers, some of whom are angry at my suggestions that fathers get the tough end of the stick in child custody cases (though the actual evidence is reasonably clear that they do), some of whom say “the whole system is B.S … one of the first things out of my mouth when I see someone is, ‘What’s your budget and how much does he/she dislike you?’” I’ve heard from judges and former judges and psychologists and counsellors.

Without exception, they agree that the system is beyond broken.

What we have, fundamentally, in the state of modern divorce is a conflict between old books social contracts serving as the ethical basis of a new books resource transfer from men to women (Thomas Ball even described it as such). Really this conflict is at the root of much of what Red Pill awareness (from the social perspective of intersexual dynamics) describes, but in this instance there’s an entire social complex that influences policy and profit. Judges, attorneys, psychologists and counselors all make a very good living from this fundamental conflict; and if you watch the Divorce Incorporated documentary I linked you’ll see that there’s no incentive to ever change that profitable conflict at any stage.

However, all of the people involved in even a typical western divorce are all subject to the belief sets that the Feminine Imperative has predisposed them to about men and women. We presume a default state of victimhood is to be applied to a woman and the benefit of that victimhood doubt runs deep. We see it evolve into the kangaroo court systems that govern what we’re told to believe is an endemic ‘rape culture’ on college campuses – up to and beyond denying a man his civil rights.

We’re taught that any slight appearance of abuse towards a woman is an opportunity to teach any man doing so a lesson, but should a man be the victim of the same abuse? Well, he probably had it coming. The Feminine Imperative has (and still is in some senses) prepared women and Blue Pill men to believe that women are untouchable; always to be believed, by default, in their victim status no matter the circumstance.

Now we can expand this presumption to every party involved in a divorce proceeding. We get female therapists whose livelihoods depend on following the victimhood of women and demonization of men (and masculinity) script the Feminine Imperative has laid out for them for most of their lives. We get Blue Pill Alphas eager to prove their authority by punishing any man who might remind them of their asshole fathers or who fits their idea of what the imperative has taught him is a “misogynist”. The imperative plays to the natural ‘protector’ impulse of these men. We get well-conditioned attorneys, counsellors and judges ready to follow that same script by legally enacting the retribution and restitution upon which feminism has always been based.

But underneath all of this we have the fundamental inequalities in ideology between what the old books social contract expects of men while the divorce industry enforces, almost unilaterally male, punishment based on a new books social paradigm to better empower women – presumably to right the past wrongs they believe were endemic in that old books paradigm. What we have today are new books divorce and marital laws based on those old books presumptions of men’s evils, indiscretions and addressing the toll it allegedly took on women. The result is a system that is designed to psychologically, financially and personally ruin any man whose idealism led him to believe that men and women share some mutually recognized concept of love; enough to compel him to a lifetime commitment in modern marriage. It is a system calculated to destroy the same Blue Pill conditioned men who will eagerly stand up to defend their ego-investments in it.

The common refrain to this is always “just don’t get married”, and it is precisely this system’s goal to disincentivize long term commitment between the sexes so that this response is the only logical one. Thus, we get women spending small fortunes to freeze their eggs in the hopes that one day some man will be foolishly idealistic enough to look past all the inherent life-threatening risks marriage and divorce uniquely disposes men to. Thus, we get old books moralists berating men for wanting to prolong their adolescence (never mind women doing so is considered empowerment) by avoiding the dangers of marriage that they’ve been smart enough to understand, or have been a party to in one way or another.

In my next essay I’ll be addressing the misguided opinion of some ‘stand up’ Purple Pill moralists that the Red Pill is “just for guys who are obsessed with sex and make getting laid their life’s mission”. I’ll elaborate on why this is simply a distraction from the much larger meta-scope of Red Pill awareness and intersexual dynamics. However, understanding how the divorce industry is based on the same dynamics the Red Pill has described for a decade and a half is a good illustration of why the Red Pill isn’t just about men basing their lives on getting laid. This system is fundamentally unegalitarian and unequal, and the designed imbalances are entirely founded in Red Pill intersexual principles. This is why the MRM will never be successful in their hopes of a top down institution of social change. The laws and the social imperatives that crush men are symptoms of a deeper problem that requires a bottom up changing of men’s minds about women and themselves.

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SFC Ton
5 years ago

Right wing death squads? Are they hiring?

Never understood how slippery slope was a logical fallacy since it always proves to be true

If the NSA was listening i’d habe been in jail a long time ago. Thankfully they are pulling in so much raw intell they might as well have none. The shit will get real when they have the nerd power to process all that intell

If you are a married dude with money, move that shit offshore like a fortune 400 company offhsores jobs

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@Blaximus – Dude, why do you think the boyfriends weren’t masculine just because they didn’t share your interests? Personally I’d rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than go hunting or fishing. Wouldn’t mind trying a hot rod for the experience or shooting (I’ve done some shooting as a kid), but neither of those things particularly excites me. So I can see where the boyfriends were coming from. Now, that said I have enough social savvy that I’d at least have shown some polite interest if I was on holiday with my girlfriend’s family and her old man… Read more »

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Throw the tv out the window… and all pop culture Give them a bad ass mission, the kind of mission even the pc pussies…. which is most of y’all…. around here would dislike Never take him to church Train him to do bad ass shit, to ride fast, shoot straight and always report the truth Teach him to hate, teach him to love Shake his hand when he gets kicked out of the 2nd grade for calling his teacher a stupid cunt Teach them a true 0fg. Never make their life easy Teach them to fight and don’t yell at… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Culum All those things weren’t just my interest, they are baseline universal. Neither of the guys can a actually physically do very much ( daughter’s bf is a soccer dude ). It’s not so much about my interest as it is about fear and a lack of functioning balls. Their Hearts pump soft serv. And I do not understand ” boredom ” at all, even though it’s so popular and widespread in the US today. I don’t think I’ve ever been bored lover than 5 minUte’s at a time before I snap out of it and do something tangible… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago
anon
anon
5 years ago

I mean, if guys will watch movies and play vid games where there’s all kinds of driving fast and crazy , and firing all manner of weapons, why in the fuck would they decline the opportunity to actually do these things IRL? All I know is that if society collapses there’s gonna be a lot of starving young men aimlessly wandering around looking for help alongside the women. To me that’s a revolting thought. For them, they think it just means no more Grand Theft Auto.” Interesting how different environments can be. A little over a year back I knew… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ anon

I only bash out of frustration. Used to be the most ” average ” guy had some kind of skill set(s). Physical or mechanical or intellectual or musical or artistic. I bemoan the loss of rites of passage for males and females.

anon
anon
5 years ago

I agree Blax. I just think it’s interesting how different things are, depending on location.
I suppose I should’ve said “every teenaged boy I can think of knows (that sort of stuff)”. I don’t know they all, but there are a good many. Certainly all the ones who come around our house do (the boys spend a lot of time outdoors doing that sort of thing).

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

Maybe it’s a generational thing. I hadn’t thought about Blax’s story from Culum’s point of view, and I can see where the youths might not have interest in those specific activities – BUT – given all the circumstances at hand, a male human with a flicker of masculinity isn’t going to decline those (mild) challenges. – Wouldn’t get in the boat. – Girl fires shotgun, he witnesses this, declines to fire it. – Wouldn’t get in the muscle car. Oh, and one of them drops all these balls in front of his gf’s father. Unless something changes, those two lads… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

I was at a friend’s house a while back. He grew something called “Scotch bonnets”. These peppers are seriously hot. He offered one to my spouse, and he took it and ate it. His eyes were watering but he just nodded and choked it down with a smile.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Don’t let your kid do science sissy shit. Let’s eliminate that sissy science and technology. Teach your boys to have lots of casual sex. Make sure your kid’s dick is useless by age 18 because of gonorrhea because gonorrhea will be rampant…no antibiotics because no science or modern tech There won’t be internal combustion engines, so your kids won’t be riding motorcycles or driving hot cars. There won’t be guns with modern steel and modern explosives…just flintlocks. Ditto knives with modern steel. But whiskey will be available, though expensive. Ale and beer for the poor. And kids won’t be living… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

“There won’t be guns with modern steel and modern explosives…just flintlocks.”

My oldest designed his own flintlock pistol when he was 15.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Lol at gonorrhea and useless dicks. ASD, I’m not belittling science and technology. I’m looking for masculinity and balance. Scientists designed rockets to be used in space travel, but guys with massive balls did all of the testing and actual flight. But your kinda making my point for me. Take away technology and what would the average American kid’s life look like? Why? Why is this acceptable? Desirable? I know 2 guys that could build their own firearms as long as they could scrounge up gunpowder and raw materials. I’m pretty confident I could rig up any old rusty combustion… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

…. And wtf is ” modern steel “? Lol.

Be careful of the thinking that the latest and greatest is the only way. If it all goes belly up, steel is steel my friend. You just have to know what to do with it. With your hands.

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Blaximus, If you can’t convince these young guys to do masculine stuff, then damn, that’s a sad thought. Which begs the question, how would someone successfully have convinced these guys to try what Blax offered them? What psychological triggers need to go off to break these guys through their inertia? Thinking about it, I’d probably convince the guy to sit in the passenger seat while the engine was on “just to feel the vibrations” and then gun it, giving him no choice but to come along. For fishing, I’d ask to see his cool-looking cell phone for a sec, then… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Sentient

Heard about that google guys list,and it sounds as if his ass is going to get canned for having a non PC opinion and voicing it.

Probably will get blackballed from the whole industry,just for speaking the truth.

Hope it was worth it.

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Blax

My oldest girl has always gone for the “alpha badass”.

The middle one for the good looking player.

The youngest for the big guys she can control.

It looks progressive but probably isn’t,the oldest is pretty happy,the middle one is starting to get it and changing her taste,the youngest will dump a guy if he tries to impress her dad.

As these guys go by I get some entertainment value from reminding the wife how much she liked him at first “womens intuition and all”.LOL this shit is serious but what are you gonna do.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Whiskey expensive… Lol. You should read up on How to Build a Still. You can make whatever you’d like.

Wine pretty much makes itself.

@ newly

My problem is that I’m not used to trying to get young men to want to do some masculine things. I thought all of that came along with testosterone.

They aren’t curious or adventurous. They’d rather watch people being adventurous on a vid or in a movie.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Stuff… Google guy was fired at the end of that day…

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

http://img.usmagazine.com/480-width/sundar-pichai-83492ee3-667c-4f0b-bb68-256f69c6f42f.jpg Google CEO… odds of having hunted, fished, shot, fought… fucked women with abandon? ANY traditionally masculine pursuits???? Here is his reaction to a fucking email… This has been a very difficult time. I wanted to provide an update on the memo that was circulated over this past week. First, let me say that we strongly support the right of Googlers to express themselves, and much of what was in that memo is fair to debate, regardless of whether a vast majority of Googlers disagree with it. However, portions of the memo violate our Code of Conduct and cross the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

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“screed” author… James Damore…

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A balanced reaction? Re-education camps are coming…

anon
anon
5 years ago

Citizen, stand on one leg!
Now, cluck like a chicken. Moo like a cow.
You will comply, citizen.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Newly

Which begs the question, how would someone successfully have convinced these guys to try what Blax offered them? What psychological triggers need to go off to break these guys through their inertia?

Ya chicken?

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Sentient, haha. Yeah, that would work.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
stuffinbox
5 years ago

The google CEO is the embodiment of a “harmful gender stereotype”.

If there is anyone left that can write in the end,blank slate equalism will go down as the most harmful gender stereotype ever foisted on humanity.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Newly

Yeah, that would work.

Because… why? Summons the masculine spirit, competition, tribe, initiation rites etc etc.etc. Succeeding… Being biologically successful – reproduction.

Wired in response to be tapped into…

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

James Damore, the Google employee fired for his anti-diversity manifesto, is (almost certainly) not a victim of a free-speech violation Jim Edwards 4h 20,458 The First Amendment protects Americans’ free-speech rights from being restricted by the government, not their employer. You don’t have a right to use your company’s computer system to publish your speech. “Freedom of speech is the right to freely express an opinion. It is most assuredly not the right to express an opinion with freedom from the consequences.” Even California’s pro-worker rules don’t appear to protect James Damore, the Google employee who annoyed his colleagues with… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . if society collapses there’s gonna be a lot of starving young men aimlessly wandering around looking for help alongside the women.” A fair number of them won’t make it long enough to starve, so they’ve got that going for them. “My oldest designed his own flintlock pistol when he was 15.” People who have never made anything physical more complicated than a finger painting in their lives do not understand that made things are made, by people. They seem to think something like there is a back room at Walmart where fairies work at night just… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Many ideas embraced by this ex-Google employee are based largely on the so-called conclusions of evolutionary psychology, a field premised on the idea that our psychological traits are the product of the same natural selection that shaped early human evolution. In practice, evolutionary psychology has been used to justify everything from rape to claims that certain groups of people are inherently more intelligent than others. It has also been criticized for shoddy methodology, ignoring cultural context, and “leaping to conclusions on inadequate evidence.” Evolutionary psychologists have tried to use their science to determine the best way to seduce women, which… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“The First Amendment protects Americans’ free-speech rights from being restricted by the government, not their employer.”

Rule #4 the fuck out of that guy.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

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zip guns were popular in my dad’s day… 1950’s

newlyaloof
5 years ago

Everyone should piggyback on this Google issue and respond to tweets pointing back to Rollo.

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

“if you aren’t tolerant in our prescribed manner, you’re fired!” – google I think a big mistake is using ‘logic’ to point out the idiocy as it is the same as bringing a knife to a gunfight not to go all ‘conspiracy’ but there’s a bigger picture here and the google nonsense is just a symptom and distraction; divide and conquer at play by those wishing to keep the sheep in deep; directing emotions (and beliefs) works in PUA because it bypasses the logic side and goes straight for the reptile brain… works the same writ large on the masses… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . the so-called conclusions of evolutionary psychology, a field premised on the idea that our psychological traits are the product of the same natural selection that shaped early human evolution.” The number of leftist atheists who are, in actual practice of beliefs, actually special creationists is quite remarkable. I have noted before that if you examine it closely, the tenets of the social Marxism are simply those of Calvinism with all the proper nouns changed. They are often referred to as Puritans pejoratively, but that is what they amount to in fact. ” . . . evolutionary… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ kfg

Sounds like a pissy assignment.

anon
anon
5 years ago

Or a crappy one. LOL

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

hey, go easy with the salty language, you might trigger someone; aim higher with your words, use them as a smokescreen or it might blow up in your face

mersonia
5 years ago

Too much reading here for me back to field reports I go ♪

zoom -_____________________________________________-

Roused
Roused
5 years ago

My daughter’s boyfriend looks like a junior Jesus. I initially pegged him to be a scrawny hippie kid that smoked a lot of weed. I’ve been proven wrong. Kid doesn’t smoke pot, but likes the good beer and bourbon I supply when visiting. Though he did play soccer, I don’t blame him, his build being thin he wouldn’t have matched up well against a lot of other kids in high school football. Turns out he loves hockey, red meat, Jeeps and firearms. Has a solid handshake and looks me in the eye when we talk. We are going to go… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax You should read up on How to Build a Still. You can make whatever you’d like. using tools made from modern technology, it’s easy, sure Take away technology and what would the average American kid’s life look like? The more ambitious would be immigrating to Mexico to find work. Farm kids would be riding horses and mules. Maybe Mexico would invade and enslave Americans, like the U.S. invaded Afghanistan. They would have automatic weapons and rifled artillery against flintlocks and smoothbore cannon…bombers, too no railroads, telegraphs, telephones, music machines, airplanes…lots of hard work and little free time…more kids would… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax

…. And wtf is ” modern steel “? Lol.

There’s stainless, galvanized, etc.

Do you know how Japanese katanas were made? They weren’t crafted from steel ingots. And various kinds of steel are made for various purposes…

https://www.thebalance.com/steel-grades-2340174

Lots of science and tech in modern steel production.

Bachelorocles
Bachelorocles
5 years ago

@SJF Please know that divorce and estate division laws vary by state. Generally, you do not have to put inheritance into a trust for it to remain separate. You may place the money into a separate bank or savings account with your name on it. If you put her name on the account it becomes marital property. If you use money form the account for the marital home, that money invested into the home becomes marital property while the separate account remains separate and not part of the marital property. Do not allow her to use the account, do not… Read more »

mersonia
5 years ago

“so it’s back to DPA based on your own set of abilities and talents and don’t diss other men who have different DPA missions”

Once Again DPA means nothing in context of the alpha discussion but since this has nothing to do with it .. it goes ♪ good job buddy ♪

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Mersonia

State what Alpha “is”… The irreducible elements of it.

Else… STFU with the numbskullery…

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

I totally agree that Blax’s daughters’ bfs dropped the ball on this one – they don’t have to be interested in hunting and fishing to show some polite interest on a family vacation – it shows a lack of social savvy. Also, if they really were scared (and it’s not Blax projecting that onto them because he doesn’t instinctively “get” that any man could find those things uninteresting), that’s obviously not cool. As a general principle it’s a good thing for men to be open to new experiences and learn by doing new stuff and having new experiences and then… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Culum

“Man List of Acceptable Activities That Qualify As Masculine ”

Be able to go anywhere, survive and kill anything is kind of the baseline… 10,000 BC to 10,000 AD…

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Survival and replication according to St. Mystery.

mersonia
5 years ago

@Senty OF COURSE I HAVE TO GO TO THE ALL TIME GREATS DEFINITION https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/ “I knew a guy who was alpha by most people’s definitions — an Army soldier and lawyer by trade, built like granite, he was a fearsome warrior with a taste for fighting who could knock a man out with a punch that landed like a piledriver. He walked with purpose everywhere and immediately cowed men into deferring to him when in social situations. He had a taste for cruising his apartment butt naked, company or no company present. He was, according to my traumatized metrosexual roommate,… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Mersonia

I’m trying to be patient with you… This is all you have?

The question is why do those different men attract those women in those ways? And across the wide spectrum of SES skills and interests and dozens of other attrubutes at odds with an explanation between differing men?

If you are going to try and sit at the big boy table don’t shit your pants on the first go…

Try again.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Lots of science and tech in modern steel production.” And when the shit hits the fan, it isn’t just going to all go “poof.” As an example, 80% of the copper that has ever been mined is currently (as it were) available for use. We “bombed Afghanistan back to the stone age,” and the Russians before us, and yet they seem to have a never ending flow of AKs. They’re made in Pakistan, essentially by hand by men sitting on the dirt floors of mud huts. We’re not going back to the stone age, even if we go all hunter-gatherer,… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Survival and replication according to St. Mystery.”

Replication is survival on a longer time scale.

mersonia
5 years ago

@Senty Yeah we’ve actually been over this before ( i really should just google the post) DPA means absolutely nothing. I actually felt like just being funny but at this point its an absolute waste of my time. And while my point still stands you’ll continue to have nothing to offer for your DPA thats being so wide spread across the comment sections. Though it was nice to post the heartiste alpha post… due to the fact that social hierarchy alphas aren’t always alphas in true definition But to help noobs out. Its just flipping the switches in females (… Read more »

mersonia
5 years ago

You could be gay and flip the right switches and she’d fuck and love you….. shit you could be a dog

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

is it pussy to be indoctrinated with the idea that the only path to being a masculine man is defined by an approved list of activities? and that those who do this are to be rewarded with the ‘masculine’ label? is it pussy to be indoctrinated with the idea that patriotism is defined by the willingness to blindly follow orders because it’s for a higher purpose? and that those who do this are to be rewarded with the ‘patriotic’ label? is it pussy to be indoctrinated with the idea that manhood is defined by the willingness to serve others because… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago
dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

kfg – I’d wager not another elephant, probably just did what he thought was in the best interest of him and his

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . probably just did what he thought . . .”

And where does an elephant get such thoughts?

Footnote: I deliberately chose the image of a child caring herbivore man.

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

kfg – was he persuaded by another elephant to not act in his own best interest but cloaked by the opposite assertion, that’s my point

if you have a point, please just state it, not interested in following breadcrumbs

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

He got the thought from bull elephanting, just as a male man gets thoughts from male manning.

Who determines what is masculine? Mostly your ancestors.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

“To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK.” – Sundar Pichai

http://shootingparrots.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/smallest_basketball_player-124131.jpg

Damn that is the most meme worthy quote I’ve seen this year…

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

kfg – yep, understood and agree; does this comport with my half-assed previous comment/theory that for a man, his masculine and animal sides might actually be the same thing? I gotta admit I just ran that idea up the flagpole to see if it could be supported or shot down by someone who’s given it more/better thought lol

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

Who indoctrinated this guy?:

I remember this story kfg. It is the one tusked matriarch killing that Cape Buff.

Bachelorocles
Bachelorocles
5 years ago

@Dr Zipper That debate has been raging for centuries. Socrates claimed to be the most manly man in Athens. Of course, Socrates had redefined manly to mean happy. So that is the question. Is it better to be manly or happy? Or are they the same? As for the biological question, we all know men who have won the biological super bowl with plenty of children but who are tremendously unhappy and age very quickly and often die young. If death is the end of it how was it better for these men to have sacrificed their lives for their… Read more »

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

Bach – getting too complicated…. each man must decide for himself…. serve others if it makes you happy, just do it with your eyes open and because *you* chose it with zfg for external approval and validation; this is different than letting others decide for you what your ideal should be

but I do realize it gets real tricky when trying to identify one’s indoctrinations so they don’t unduly influence one’s perception of what’s in their own best interest

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“I remember this story kfg. It is the one tusked matriarch . . .” I don’t remember the story and specifically looked for pictures that were not of a cow elephant. Just goes to show, you can’t believe every caption you read on the Internet. Dr. Zipper: ” . . .does this comport with my half-assed previous comment/theory . . .” To the extent that that’s what you said, yes. To the extent that’s not what you said, no. “seems to me that when someone is dealing with truth, they don’t sell it, it’s given freely” I can afford to… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“If death is the end of it how was it better for these men to have sacrificed their lives for their children?”

It isn’t. One might, however, dispute the validity of the premise. I think “children” ought to be a sufficient disputation in and of itself.

anon
anon
5 years ago

Sometimes what is good in one’s immediate short term interest isn’t good for one’s interest long term.

Playdontpay
Playdontpay
5 years ago

Women are loyal only to POWER. Without power you cannot cultivate respect. Without power and respect you cannot satisfy female hypergamy or attain her hyper conditional opportunistic “Love”. The really fucked up part is that she will fight to get you to cede your Power ( the very thing she needs to stay loyal and attracted ) bit by bit until you’re DONE in her eyes and then it’s all over. Marriage is the ultimate transfer of your power! And we are surprised when things turn to shit. Females under currrent family law and social contract are suitable for entertainment… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ asd

” Do you know how Japanese katanas were made? They weren’t crafted from steel ingots. And various kinds of steel are made for various purposes…”

As a teen, I collected various Japanese/Samurai era swords. Had a wall full of them at one point. I do know about how they were made, and I know that it took weeks to make one and that it was considered Art, not technology.

Again, you are doing a bang up job of making my points for me.

Thanks asd.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . it was considered Art, not technology.” It was technology, nevertheless. However, in the context of ASD’s argument, it is medieval technology that isn’t just going to go away as long as you are still around. And of course they were made that way because they had crap for ore. We have steel. Shit tons of it lying around just waiting for someone to do something with it. Exodus takes place in the Iron Age. But they had steel and knew how to work it. Just not very much of it. We have to fall very far,… Read more »

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

One has to admire Dalrock’s writing:

While we keep marriage around in a ceremonial form, wives forever retain the option to convert these nominal marriages into the child support model at will.

Bachelorocles
Bachelorocles
5 years ago

@Kfg “It isn’t. One might, however, dispute the validity of the premise. I think “children” ought to be a sufficient disputation in and of itself.” You don’t know whether death is the end of it or not. No one knows. We can only guess or have faith. But faith is not knowledge. Whether children ought to be a sufficient disputation in and of itself does mean they are, The question is what makes humans most happy. It is possible having children makes a man more happy. But my personal observations say otherwise. But I could be wrong. In the Gospel… Read more »

Roused
Roused
5 years ago

To go along with the Google memo:

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/us-marines-test-male-squads-mixed-gender-ones-results

Rollo tweeted about it yesterday.

Anon01
Anon01
5 years ago

The google memo guy was already lawyered-up;indicates this might be some kind of tip-of-spear lawfare.

Will be interesting to see how this goes.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Culum ” My main point really is that there isn’t some approved universal Man List of Acceptable Activities That Qualify As Masculine (approved by whom?) and anyone who isn’t interested in one of those is automatically a sissy. I prefer to judge a man’s character by how he conducts himself in *whatever* activity he chooses to pursue and master, not on the basis of *what* that activity is. “ Brother, I disagree to a greater extent. A man should have some kind of ability to survive, stand on his own 2 feet and protect and defend himself, and be… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@”Bachelorocles: “You don’t know whether death is the end of it or not.”

Define “it.” I certainly know, empirically, for more than one definition of “it.” There is, for instance, Lewis Thomas’s: A Long Line of Cells. I state the same thing, only for the purposes of TRM in the temporal reverse: It’s Babies All the Way Down. And the way forward is more babies. Perhaps your view of “it” is rather parochial.

“The question is what makes humans most happy.”

That seems to be a bald assertion. And who’s question? One might answer it “cocaine.” Some do.

Bachelorocles
Bachelorocles
5 years ago

@KFT

What I meant by “it” was what happens to humans after death. No one knows. It may be parochial. It may not be profound. But it is a very simple thing. What happens to you after death? No one knows. We can only hope.

Some could answer cocaine, others heroin, some alcohol. I assumed we would both understand I meant sustained happiness over a full life. Heroin will make a man very happy for a few hours. But we know it soon leads to tremendous unhappiness.

anon
anon
5 years ago

“When my daughter fired the shotgun, they flinched and ran away.”

That’s a very bad sign for the future of their relationship. Imagine what that’s like on a biological level. I can tell you, if I were with a guy who flinched and ran away when I shot off a gun, a little part of me would die.

anon
anon
5 years ago

I mean…assuming I wasn’t aiming his way. LOL

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Self surgery I realize today that i want to bring out the best of myself and that is only able to come out with my burden of performance. The i get into is about how to bring about my true self that bleeds into the work i want to work at and get into. The past isn’t helpful to dwell an and while i keep realizing that its important to let go. I find my self stuck in the the unplugging process of being truly in myself skin though’s and spiritual expression. https://www.instagram.com/p/BT1KHZ4h7K6/?hl=en&taken-by=thejoshshaw I love my family more from a… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . what happens to humans after death.” An awful lot of what is empirically happening to you right now. Unless you wish to posit some undetectable something or other that is immutable and part of “you,” you aren’t the same “you” you were 10 years ago. Some of you was somebody else as recently as yesterday. Some of you now will be part of somebody else moments from now. ” . . . it is a very simple thing.” And I gave you a simple answer to a very simple definition of “it.” “I assumed we would… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

@Rugby

The past isn’t helpful to dwell an and while i keep realizing that its important to let go.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax ” Do you know how Japanese katanas were made? They weren’t crafted from steel ingots. And various kinds of steel are made for various purposes…” As a teen, I collected various Japanese/Samurai era swords. Had a wall full of them at one point. I do know about how they were made, and I know that it took weeks to make one and that it was considered Art, not technology. Again, you are doing a bang up job of making my points for me. Thanks asd. You’re welcome…you were doing such a pitiful job of attacking science that I figured… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@kfg

And when the shit hits the fan, it isn’t just going to all go “poof.”

Large parts go away fast…others more slowly…since we are essentially a disposable society, it will likely happen quickly. Few people really repair things any more. Plastic will go away almost instantly, relying mostly on chemistry as it does…think of the ramifications of that. We’re talking about everyone going luddite in a generation.

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

asd, plastic doesn’t decompose well, at least on a human time scale check this out, gasification/bio-fuels is a hobby of mine and one thing I’ve yet to do, but will, is try the plastic to diesel/gasoline pyrolytic process; it’s just another hydrocarbon that is easily heated and fractionated in a garage environment; it’s big advantages include ubiquity, stability, and can be processed w/out much prep work since it’s already relatively clean chemically speaking and inert so in the apocalypse, just gin up some pushwater, head over to blax’s thirsty Deathrace 2000 car, Ton will have equipped it from his armory,… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Nuh-uh…

Plastic will be with us for generations. You just gotta know how to recycle it.

It’s the people that think we are really a disposable society, that will go away quickly. The people that have no clue how anything works or how to fix stuff will go away just as fast.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

… I just need to find some potassium or sodium iodide and sulfuric acid, as water will be pretty dirty and I’m not a huge fan of chlorine.

Anon01
Anon01
5 years ago

“Vella also dismissed a letter written by Lajiness’ husband blaming the sexual assaults on his wife’s insomnia.”

http://nypost.com/2017/08/08/married-mom-goes-to-prison-for-sex-with-teenage-boys/

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Plastic will go away almost instantly, relying mostly on chemistry as it does…think of the ramifications of that.”

Bicycles and bicycle saddles with a life expectancy of 5 generations instead of 5 years?

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Plastic will be with us for generations.”

It grows on trees. Well, in them really, but the idea is the important thing.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Boy, I’ll miss this stuff when it just goes away.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

…especially since it doesn’t have modern steel. Lol.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@zipper

asd, plastic doesn’t decompose well, at least on a human time scale

but my point was the manufacturing of plastic–the raw materials…plastic is in almost everything and if it were no longer manufactured, then lots of stuff would be impacted

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

asd there was a time…. before plastics.

What do you have against wood, steel and glass?

You have to pay extra now adays to get something made without plastic, and that’s backwards as hell.

dr zipper
dr zipper
5 years ago

asd – then very true, thanks for clarifying

you gotta admit though, making gas and diesel from it is awesome lol

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