Teaching Slaves to Read

Ehintellect had a very enlightening comment in last week’s thread. I’ve edited it for relevant content, but you can read the whole thing here. This touched on an essay topic I’ve been considering since my conversation with Ed Latimore and Mark Baxter:

[I] was at a home party a few years back. Highly successful surgeons, wives, husbands; quickly devolved into quarters, college games. 

My wife loves the parties as she gets compliments and conversation she’d otherwise not get. She’s not plugged into that crowd, and I assume doesn’t want to. In a way, that’s fortunate. There is tremendous value in my marriage, parenting. I’m astonished at the change.

Mrs. Eh’s shit tests continue, but are a whole different breed. Comfort, mostly, and usually because I don’t calibrate enough. Easily dealt with, I’m astonished at the dynamic. I was bar rail with wife, and my erstwhile suicidal, now RP, TRM acquaintance called asking me to celebrate his 2 (!) plate spinning / back at school / ”I know your trick, EhIntellect!” / ”Now I understand the true nature of women.” / “My life has never been better.” life. I was celebrating on the phone with him. Well, yeah, after the 5-10 minute chat, Mrs. Eh. wasn’t too pleased. She started to test about me treating her as a “whore” and my daughter shabbily.

Still upbeat, I kissed her forehead and whispered, “You’re no whore. You’re MY whore.” Well, that didn’t work as intended, she sulked, I got up and said let’s go. Nope she sat and I, dropping her jacket on my chair, wordlessly left out the back. The bar waitress walked her out by the arm 3 minutes later.

I’d have never been able to do that without you guys.

I had a karaoke night planned, for me, so kept on. In a way I “bounced” her to another venue, ran with her happily sprinting with me to the new pub. It’s like the dust up never happened, she was crazy sexual for the rest of the night. That’s what we’re to do right? Spike that test! I wanted to sing, and raised the roof that night. Did I reinforce bad behavior? IMO, no. The test is to be passed, my burden of performance, she holds me tighter, begs me for affection as never before. Sex is plentiful. More frame for me, no snark, much laughter.

Reader SJF comments next:

Your wife’s response to overhearing your conversation is normal operating procedure for women. I’ve been through this scenario and could shed some more light on it.

Sure it is a shit test. Sure it is a comfort test. Doesn’t matter. It’s not about passing a shit test. It’s about using it to your advantage. “You’re no whore. You’re MY whore” was an Agree and Amplify response to the test. Not the best way to accomplish your goals. Your goals here were to mentor your buddy. Not to game your wife–you already have that in hand 

What this situation calls for is to conduct your discussions with men in fight club in private.

What’s going on with your wife in this situation is and INDIGNATION of the SISTERHOOD scenario. (How fucking dare you help another man to implement his strategy to compromise the strategy of the Sisterhood? The Sisterhood’s Social Conventions and their Feminine Imperatives to implement their strategy are more important in a Feminine Supreme Society than you buddy gaining agency).

Your wife on behalf of her and your daughter is affronted by you giving him tactics. (She figures on your part this is you giving her and your daughter and indignity because you are giving this: insult, offend, mortify, provoke, pique, wound, hurt to the Sisterhood Strategy and Imperatives.) You are poking the mother of your children in the ribs with riposte. She protests. She figures it’s not fucking fair.

So this talking red pill to red pill with guys is best kept off the grid and out of sight and earshot.
Now keep in mind this is not abdicating frame any more than a Machiavellian strategist is embarrassed by his tactics being kept secret.

Tyler Durden in fight club would not agree about using overt, rather than covert discussions about blowing up the edifices (buildings, social conventions and imperatives) in society to achieve ends.

And finally Novaseeker adds this most salient comment:

“You should know this stuff, but you shouldn’t know this stuff, if it were up to the Sisterhood. You guys are taking away OUR POWER and I’m going to shit test you about that with some INDIGNATION.”

Yes, it’s because it violates the “Just Get It” principle. It’s fine if a man “just gets it”. It’s not fine if a man has to learn it in order to get it, because in the latter case there is a concern that he doesn’t actually really “get it”, because he isn’t a man who “just gets it”.

More fundamentally, they do not trust themselves to be able to tell the difference between a man who “just gets it” and man who has learned from other men how to “get it”, and they fundamentally do want to distinguish between the two types of men because that is a critical Alpha filter. What you’re doing is sabotaging their filter, which of course will be unwelcome, never mind that they will generally be just as satisfied with a man who learns to get it as they would with a man who just gets it, in practice (as long as the former guy maintains frame and so on properly). So, yes, don’t talk about fight club outside fight club and all that.

Women want a man who ‘just gets it’ but they despise a man who has to be told how to ‘get it’.

This is the first law of the Sisterhood, a man who must be told how to be a man, how to be dominant in his dealings with women, or fluidly, naturally be the Alpha who is in control of his environment(s) isn’t the man for her. If masculinity or the value of social dominance had to be explained to him, he had to make a conscious effort to act contrary to what his ‘true’ nature would otherwise be for women.

Hypergamy always seeks the better-than-deserved situation with men. In the past I’ve discussed how the nature of Hypergamy is such that it cannot wait for a man to realize his potential. Hypergamy looks for the ‘sure thing’. This is why women prefer the romantic attentions (at least as far as long term prospects go) of men who are 5 – 7 years or older than themselves. On a limbic level, women are aware that men’s accrual of sexual market value takes much longer than for women. Men who would be intimately acceptable are the men who are already made-men. There is no (or certainly less) uncertainty for her Hypergamous doubt to resolve for her when that man possesses SMP equity that time has made of him. This is also the root reason women are attracted to men who naturally, effortlessly, display higher value and Amused Mastery, as well as men for whom social proof is socially and organically confirmed for her.

Women’s sexual agency –their only true commodity value to men – is perishable. This then is the nature of women’s very intimate relationship with the Wall; they know on a hindbrain, limbic level and from a very early age that their sexual agency rises quickly and burns out fast. Their peak competitive years in the sexual marketplace (SMP) spans only 10-12 years at best before their younger sisters replace them in the SMP. They know that there will come a point that their capacity to compete in the SMP will diminish.

Every cosmetic ever created, every plastic surgery or implant devised (by men) every fashion trend or clothing style for women has been created with the express purpose of both making a woman appear younger than her actual age and/or to convince her that her sexual agency has an indefinite shelf life. Every social convention for women the Feminine Imperative has ever devised is rooted in the latent purpose of convincing women that their sexual market value ought to be based on some esoteric or intrinsic quality (rather than the biological and evolutionary reality) once they’ve moved past the age of being able to effectively compete intrasexually with their sisters.

They are conditioned to believe the fault in ‘unrealistic beauty standards’ is due to the horrific sexual objectification of men’s base (biological) natures and/or the social constructivist narrative that would have them believe it’s a nebulous ‘society’s’ fault that they are unable to consolidate their Hypergamy once the expiration date for their sexual market value has passed and their younger sisters outcompete them.

Id vs. Ego

On a subconscious level this is the internal conflict women fight within themselves. The desires of their Ids war with the dictates of what Hypergamy demands of them, knowing all the while that their capacity to consolidate on it is limited to a very short window in their lifetimes. Women’s Egos are then fed on the narrative of the Feminine Imperative that the worries of their Ids, and the crushing doubts that Hypergamy biologically wires into women, are unfounded and they have an almost indefinite timeframe in which to consolidate on the ‘perfect guy’ ; The guy who will satisfy both the Alpha Fucks sexual excitement of Hypergamy with the stable, comforting, dependable security the Beta Bucks side of Hypergamy needs for her long term security. A woman’s Id knows this is a lie, but her Ego is convinced she can wait out her Party Years at least to sample as many ‘bad boys, wrong boys, commitment-phobic boys’ as the Sheryl Sandberg plan for Hypergamy has convinced her Ego she has the time to work her way through.

A woman’s Id is having none of it, beyond enjoying the sexual pleasures of the Alpha men she prefers in her peak sexual market value (SMV) years. Hypergamy demands the complete package, the already-made man. The guy for whom she’s so certain will be the best of both worlds (despite the unbeliveability of it) that it quells her Hypergamous doubt. On a rudimentary level a woman’s Id knows she deserves a better-than-warranted situation with regard to her Hypergamy; it’s the only situation that will ever be truly satisfying to her. Only a man who rates 1-2 degrees above what she feels her own SMV merits (however unrealistic that’s become to her) will be the man she can truly submit herself to.

This is what her Id knows. On some level of consciousness it knows she is choosing a life in which she can either submit herself and entrust her life, body and soul to the long term security of a deserving man (one who rates a full to two steps above her own self-impression), or she will resign herself to her own ‘independence’ and self-reliance with respect to long term security in a life with a man who doesn’t “deserve her” and who she will never submit herself to.

There are many variables that interfere with a woman making this consolidation in her younger years, but the fact remains, the longer a woman delays consolidating on the guy she could comfortably submit herself to the less likely she is to actually do so; and the more likely she is to resign herself to insisting on her own Frame to supply the security she would otherwise get from a man she could’ve submitted herself to.

This is why we see a majority of older women – women who’ve cycled out of the SMP – falling back on the tropes of the Strong Independent Woman® narrative. The truth is they are unlikely to ever lockdown the perfect guy with whom they could comfortably submit to. This is also compounded by her Hypergamous doubt and long term security having to be self-provisioned for a longer and longer period of time. A never-married 40 year old woman will likely have been so necessitous in her own provisioning that she will never allow herself to submit to any man’s Frames for the remainder of her life.

All of this interpersonal back and forth revolves around women’s capacity to attract a suitable man while simultaneously filtering for men’s requisite qualities to satisfy the dual nature of Hypergamy. From an evolutionary perspective, women’s breeding potential cannot afford to be tricked or deceived into her consolidating on a less than optimal man. That’s the paradox of Hypergamy and the prime reason women seek pre-made man (or a man with such overwhelming potential it satisfies Hypergamy). So important is this filtering mechanism that it evolved to be a part of women’s neurological firmware – it’s baked in.

In a larger respect, this filtering is part of the prime directive amongst the collective social influence of the Sisterhood. Women want, and expect, a default, and completely honest, evaluation of a man’s intimate potential in satisfying Hypergamy from her peers as well as the larger social collective of women. Anything that confounds or deliberately confuses the veracity of this Hypergamous assessment about a guy is equitable with deliberately attempting to sabotage a woman’s life. Accurate evaluation of a man’s Hypergamous potential is the highest order for the Sisterhood.

Teaching Slaves to Read

In my interview with Ed Latimore we discussed exactly this dynamic and what Ed said was profound. I paraphrase him here, but the sentiment was, “Men learning Game, men teaching men about the intrinsic psychological and biological natures of women, men making other men Red Pill aware, is like teaching slaves to read in the time of slavery.”

Men becoming aware of the nature of women is a Threat; and that threat is primarily dangerous because it deliberately confounds women’s accurate assessment of a man’s true value in satisfying her Hypergamous doubt. Educating men about Game, about Red Pill awareness, must be prevented on both a personal level and a sociological level if women are to maintain a feminine-primary, feminine-correct and feminine-dominant social order. Thus, we encounter the social situations that Ehintellect and SJF describe in the above comments.

This reminds me of a story I read on the Red Pill Reddit forum about a guy who’s girlfriend discovered my book he’d been reading. She began picking through various sections and, expectedly, got really pissed off at the chapters on SMV (the chart in particular). They both discussed the parts she’d read and she admitted she wanted to read the whole thing, but from what they talked about she confessed that there wasn’t really anything she disagreed with. Her words were, “You men shouldn’t know this stuff!

It wasn’t that she was irritated by the truth in those sections of the book, but rather, her concern was that men might become aware of women’s sexual strategies as laid bare by the SMV sections and chart. Essentially, men teaching men to become Red Pill aware, to unplug them from the Matrix is anathema to women’s long term sexual strategy. Teaching men to Just Get It is a deliberate effort to bypass women’s subconscious and overt filtering processes to evaluate a man’s Hypergamous value.

Furthermore, Red Pill aware men represent an existential threat to women unilaterally making Hypergamous decisions for their lives – a unilateral power women have taken for granted since the unfettering of Hypergamy in the Sexual Revolution – and thus represent a threat to their making a less than optimal choice. Men becoming Red Pill aware, in effect, prioritizes men’s control over the Hypergamous process. That may be only by order of degree, and subjective to men’s real grasp of the Red Pill and their capacity to implement it, but the fear remains. Even a nominal control or increase in control of men over the Hypergamous process must be criminalized, marginalized or shamed to eliminate the threat that a man might convincingly misrepresent himself for a woman’s Hypergamous approval.

This is interesting in light of women’s hubris of embracing Open Hypergamy on a societal, cultural level. It’s not that men would be aware of women’s Hypergamous sexual strategies – this they triumphantly flaunt in very public ways – it’s that men would collude together to deliberately exploit that knowledge to wrest some marginal control over women’s sexual selection process.

Novaseeker’s assessment is correct, this convincing deception centers on men teaching men to passably appear to, if not actually, Just Get It. There’s a maxim in the manosphere that states women are not interested in how a man becomes a man. They are uninterested in the process of a man becoming anything, just that he is. If there is one thing Hypergamy demands to satisfy its inherent doubts is that men be genuine. How they became ‘genuine’ is irrelevant to women, just that they are genuine is enough. This is the conflict between women’s Ids and Egos – that a man might appear to be genuine in his quality is enough, yet not enough. 

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

330 comments on “Teaching Slaves to Read

  1. @Tuff – good post, I like the ‘boots on the ground’ view of one man’s situation. Sometimes the comments get too academic and high-level. It’s helpful to see how in you’ve incorporated RP into your own style.

    Keep it up (in all senses of the phrase)

  2. ” . . . white suicide (mostly men) . . .”

    Evidence of patriarchal, toxic masculinity, because society demands that men stoically achieve their goals.

    I’m not making that up. It’s an actual feminist argument. The more men kill themselves from despair, the more it supports that they are privileged.

  3. “@Tuff – good post, I like the ‘boots on the ground’ view of one man’s situation. Sometimes the comments get too academic and high-level.”

    Cosign, good post TuffLuv.

    And I love the over-arching theme of Frame is everything. And one can’t get to academic about Frame. It falls into a “I know it when I see it” because that category is subjective and lacks clearly defined parameters. But great Frame is real, and it is spectacular. It has been working spectacularly for me lately. And I have no romance lost for Game. With a cheeky grin I can say life is super fun due to red pill and game.

    (Oh, and.. Umm, Sorry? Dr. Z for my academic high-level ramblings. I sometimes have too much fun (self amusement) with that shit. I don’t disagree with your sentiments there.)

  4. @SJF – your ears were burning? lol

    Academic study is great, no need to lessen it. How a man implements and integrates RP into his own life is a great complement to the high level stuff. Illuminates a different part of the whole the picture.

    Similar to the science/technology relationship — Technology is just the application of science (“why” and “how”).

  5. @sjf , @Drz thanks

    It definitely lightens the air, sjf. In high school, my old man used to annoyedly tell me ‘quit taking these girls so seriously, just have fun with em’

    Didn’t quite register.. but now..

    My eyes don’t hurt anymore.

    And they see beauty in things they never had before, now that I’ve finally used them.

    .. and hey without the academic we can’t reach enlightenment.

  6. “Be sure and clink the link on Heisenberg.”

    There you go being academic again about Red Pill Game and Circumstances…..

    http://www.neatorama.com/2007/06/08/the-unpredictable-life-of-werner-heisenberg/

    Classical theory predicted that electrons, neutrons, and protons would follow certain paths as they bailed out of a shattered atom, though most physicists couldn’t find a way to verify this claim.

    Part of the problem was realizing that nature is a world of chaos, not the smooth and beautiful creature scientists had always imagined. Heisenberg was one of the first to accept this new idea. His early work involved trying to apply mathematics to quanta of energy, an intimidating course of study now known as quantum theory. Although his initial attempts did not successfully prove the chaos of atoms, Heisenberg’s intuition was leading him away from traditional physics and closer to a whole new realm of thinking.

    The Most Important Bout of Hay Fever in History

    Throughout the early 1920s, Heisenberg’s reputation as a top-notch physicist spread, eventually landing him a dream job as a research associate with Danish science-superhero Niels Bohr in 1924. Bohr had already collected a Nobel Prize two years earlier and established himself as the epicenter of the physics revolution. In fact, he was half-jokingly referred to as the Pope of the field.

    Together, Bohr and Heisenberg formed the original odd couple. Heisenberg was quietly stubborn, while Bohr was more of a nerdy antagonist. In fact, Bohr was known to start physics discussions that famously reduced colleagues to tears. But Heisenberg took Bohr’s outbursts in stride. Most notably, he proved unflappable when Bohr challenged him to describe how subatomic particles worked mathematically. Because both men knew no one had ever come close to solving the problem, it was the physics equivalent of a double-dog dare. And Heisenberg rose to the occasion.

    In May of 1925, Heisenberg came down with what might be the most important attack of hay fever in history. Seeking relief from sneezing, he holed up in Helgoland, a speck of land in the North Sea. While the change of atmosphere may not have cured his allergies, it did get him away from Bohr’s pestering. And there, he rewrote the book on physics.

    Let’s Get Physical

    Heisenberg’s response to Bohr’s atomic challenge ultimately became the cornerstone of quantum physics. After years of questioning the determinism view of the universe that had ruled science for the past two millennia, Heisenberg was finally able to throw a little chaos into the mix. According to classical theory, if you knew exactly what a certain group of atoms was up to at any given instant, you could (with the right equation and enough brainpower to solve it) predict exactly what those atoms would be doing a million years in the future. But Heisenberg tore that idea apart using a complex bit of mathematics called matrix algebra. He proved that even if you know where a particle is, you can’t predict where it’s going; and if you know where it’s going, you no longer know where it is. Ultimately, the precise equations Bohr had challenged Heisenberg to come up with could never be found, and 2,000 years of determinism were suddenly dead.

    Heisenberg’s new theory was dubbed the Uncertainty Principle [wiki], and physicist despised it. With precision declared impossible, scientists suddenly found themselves stuck expressing outcomes in odds like cheap Vegas bookies. Reason and logic were losing cards in Heisenberg’s new game.

    Despite the frustration it brought his peers, Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle survived every shot aimed at it. Eventually, it was adopted by everyone in the physics community—with the exception of Albert Einstein. Mocking the theory’s reliance on probability, Einstein quipped, “God does not play dice with the Universe!” In response, Pope Bohr laughingly suggested Einstein should stop telling God what to do. Heisenberg won the day, as well as the 1932 Nobel Prize.

  7. LOL once again on the ASD Nerd Jokes linked as they relate to Game.

    FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS:

    YOU CAN’T WIN.

    SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS: YOU CAN’T BREAK EVEN.

    THIRD LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS: YOU CAN’T STOP PLAYING.

    It’s funny because: It’s an absolute reductionist take on the real laws of thermodynamics, and the language is such that it implies life isn’t worth living. In plain terms, the laws of thermodynamics are: Energy can’t be created or destroyed; things tend to move from order to disorder; and the lower the temperature drops, the less disorderly things become.

    ______

    A linguistics professor says during a lecture that, “in English, a double negative forms a positive. But in some languages, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative.” But then a voice from the back of the room piped up, “Yeah, Right.”

    _____

    IS IT SOLIPSISTIC IN HERE, OR IS IT JUST ME?

  8. @Rollo

    It was very humbling and gave me hope for men that this would happen at all.

    Maybe it will become a thing as the sons of RP aware fathers come of age. Now when my son and I get together we discuss the latest from the ‘sphere over a beer.

    @SJF

    Enjoyed the mentoring material you provided. I have never heard a tale like yours wherein you targeted specific mentors that you thought would be good ones, then made it happen to everyone’s benefit. A man that has preceded you, and cares enough about you to share the information from that can be a life changer; as we see here played out virtually.

    It made we wonder if women have mentors in the way we’re using the concept. I’ve never heard them talk about it. If they do, what does the older one say to the younger about epiphanies, and the approaching wall?

  9. @LostP – ‘…made we wonder if women have mentors…’

    What for? Can you give any examples where a woman would put forth effort towards the betterment of a non-blood relative? And it’s done with a general alignment with a woman’s natural tendencies? It *might* happen if the mentor was getting direct tangible benefit.

    Channeling Sentient, it sounds like you’re assuming cats think like dogs.

  10. This is the first law of the Sisterhood, a man who must be told how to be a man, how to be dominant in his dealings with women, or fluidly, naturally be the Alpha who is in control of his environment(s) isn’t the man for her. If masculinity or the value of social dominance had to be explained to him, he had to make a conscious effort to act contrary to what his ‘true’ nature would otherwise be for women.

    The problem with this law, as I see it, is women still cling to it when they have sons. They presume that men just spring out from their wombs, fully masculine, and ready to please another woman. Some of them even presume that their behavior towards their sons can’t possibly cause harm to the process of him eventually becoming a man. I’d venture to guess the existence of this law further demonstrates that men are the ones who socially adapt to female nature, and it has probably always been so.

    It seems women’s task is forever to test this adaptation.

  11. “This is interesting in light of women’s hubris of embracing Open Hypergamy on a societal, cultural level. It’s not that men would be aware of women’s Hypergamous sexual strategies – this they triumphantly flaunt in very public ways – it’s that men would collude together to deliberately exploit that knowledge to wrest some marginal control over women’s sexual selection process.”

    Patriarchy 2.0 needs to arrive… Women left uncheck bring any society to RUIN.

    It’s always better than MEN be in charge of everything than entrusting it to women.

    Our modern time has shown us that. Amen.

    ~ Bro. Jed

  12. @Lost Patrol

    “I have never heard a tale like yours wherein you targeted specific mentors that you thought would be good ones, then made it happen to everyone’s benefit.”

    It wasn’t by luck. It was an age old process. I just happen to follow it and then realize that I had done that process five years later after my successful experience. In other words I stumbled on it by natural skill and real desire for what I was seeking. (And I had been practicing and mastering the process for 35 years)

    Some fortuitous events included me reading The Way of Men by Jack Donovan from which I learned how men are programmed to operate in a different world than they were designed to function in and how to benefit by the awareness of masculine tactical virtues. Soon after invested in Game and Manosphere. Another thing is I went to where the mentors of my pursuits were. Actually by associating on a virtual online forum (which was local and state based, a sportsman’s forum) and then taking it to In Real Life. So I was the selector and had a fair number of choices. (And the strength, courage, mastery and honor of men to pursue them.) And part of the process of being a good mentee was adding value to the Mentors experience. In parallel, I was also being a mentor to a buddy of mine and really enjoyed that.

    So in the stuff I wrote about, I was hoping to describe The Process.

    Part of the process is also included in Rollo’s essays the Tribe and Women Talk, Men Do.

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/05/15/tribes/

    https://therationalmale.com/2014/03/03/women-talk-men-do/

    Those essays also explain why the process is different for men and women.

  13. @dr zipper

    Can you give any examples where a woman would put forth effort towards the betterment of a non-blood relative?

    Oddly, I can. During the course of a previous life I often had quite a few younger military men working under my supervision, and some of them were married with kids. My wife would get together with some of their wives one to one and help them with negotiating the lifestyle or answer questions about raising children, etc. Whatever she had already done that they were only now doing or had on the horizon.

    I wouldn’t call it mentoring in the same sense I think of an older man guiding a younger man, and they never called it that, but it had some similarities. No doubt plenty of the things she told them was counter-productive for the husband because it would have been strictly FI approved, but it did happen several times; and she happily maintains contact to this day with all of them.

    So to me at least, it is not unknown; but these women all had husbands and I think the interaction was surface level compared to the more profound level I would associate with mentorship among men.

    Channeling Sentient, it sounds like you’re assuming cats think like dogs.

    I do fall into that from time to time and have to readjust. In this case I think I’m just wondering out loud if any older women help any younger women avoid trouble they know is coming.

  14. @Lost – The examples you give seem just like basic human kindness and willingness to help another out…. but not the deeper kind of mentor/mentee relationship that involves investment of time and effort.

    So yes, when you say “… the interaction was surface level compared to the more profound level…” I think that’s more like it. It’s an interesting observation and I’m glad you pointed it out.

    I have some thoughts on women in team sports that is possibly related but that’s for another time.

  15. “The examples you give seem just like basic human kindness and willingness to help another out…. but not the deeper kind of mentor/mentee relationship that involves investment of time and effort.”

    Women have taught other women skill sets for a long while.
    Nursing, midwifery, spinning, childcare, cooking, ad nauseum ect.

    1. @anon, funny how all of that passing on of womanly skills ended right around the time of the Sexual Revolution. All to be replaced with methods and legislation that prioritized an optimizing of Hypergamy.

  16. @anon – I would suggest going back a few comments, starting with Lost Patrol’s original question of why some of the guys like Blax try to ‘encourage our fellow men to develop something better.’ From there the discussion delves into the subject with some excellent posts, like SJF’s.

    In your examples, these other women being taught are usually close blood relatives and/or the teachers directly benefit from teaching another, e.g., teaching a young girl to sew would help lighten the teacher’s load or midwifing your daughter will strengthen your bloodline.

    The mentoring system goes beyond that. I honestly don’t see how your examples are even in the same ballpark.

  17. Their peak competitive years in the sexual marketplace (SMP) spans only 10-12 years at best before their younger sisters replace them in the SMP.

    10-12 years is plenty of time in the SMP. Plenty. And we’re only talking about peak competitive years here, not active years in entirety. Let’s not pretend women have a hard time in the SMP. If a woman wants to find a partner/husband/fuckbuddy/sugardaddy, she can. If a woman has a hard time in the SMP, it’s usually because she’s giving herself a hard time.

  18. @Softek

    Women are developing mental disorders based on these beliefs. Instead of being able to accept the natural aging process and the decline in SMV that follows, they’re conditioned to see aging and decline in SMV as UNNATURAL, with men (and their horrific sexual objectification of women) and the media (run by sexually depraved men who objectify women) to blame.

    I can’t even count the amount of times I’ve heard women talk about their extreme body image issues and then immediately blame men for being ‘disgusting pigs’ and ‘sexually objectifying women.’ And how they wouldn’t have any body image issues if men weren’t so disgusting and depraved and weren’t peddling unnatural photoshopped images of women in magazines and if there wasn’t so much pornography everywhere.

    It’s a combination of solipsism and the apex fallacy, as usual. Rollo has stated above that women only have an average of 10-12 peak competitive years in the SMP, and that most women are instinctively aware of this, and, of course, most of them probably see this as “unjust”, “unfair” etc. What they conveniently forget is that the majority of men are never players in the SMP to begin with, because, due to unrestrained hypegamy, they aren’t even seen as sexual objects. Lots of men, probably the majority, have roughly zero peak competitive years in the SMP. They are only competing in the MMP, if that. And what about the alphas? Do you think their peak competitive years span more than 10-12 years in the SMP before their younger alpha peers start replacing them? Of course not. You can be the biggest, baddest alpha in town, it doesn’t change the fact that your younger alpha peers will start replacing you in the competition for the most sought-after women by the time you’re roughly 35 or 40.

    Women flip out because they see the men they are competing for as “picky”. Those bastards won’t just marry any woman! Hell, they won’t even just fuck any woman! They are so damn picky! That’s where the “men are pigs” rants come from. Women are evaluated as potential partners according to the size and shape of their butts and tits and whatnot! So unfair! What they conveniently forget is that a young man is just as invisible in the SMP as an older woman. All they see, all they care about, is that older women get sidelined and ignored, and that’s, like, so horrible or something.

  19. “I would suggest going back a few comments, starting with Lost Patrol’s original question of why some of the guys like Blax try to ‘encourage our fellow men to develop something better.’ From there the discussion delves into the subject with some excellent posts, like SJF’s.

    In your examples, these other women being taught are usually close blood relatives and/or the teachers directly benefit from teaching another, e.g., teaching a young girl to sew would help lighten the teacher’s load or midwifing your daughter will strengthen your bloodline.

    The mentoring system goes beyond that. I honestly don’t see how your examples are even in the same ballpark.”

    You requested examples of “women putting forth effort towards the betterment of a non-blood relative?” When an example was provided by Lost Patrol. You rejected it as “just like basic human kindness and willingness to help another out…. but not the deeper kind of mentor/mentee relationship that involves investment of time and effort”.
    There is actually a spouse’s program in at least one of the military services (Key spouse program) where the aiding spouse is referred to as a “spouse mentor”. It takes a great deal of time investment and effort on part of the mentor and about 95 percent of the people who volunteer for this job are female spouses…..

    But since you rejected that one, I provided examples of mentor/mentee relationships which required a great amount of time investment and effort. Some of the examples (nursing, midwifery, likely spinning…I’m speaking of textiles, not exercise) take many months or years to develop. For example, I learned a great, great deal some some old and seasoned nurses when I was just starting out on the floor, and I developed a deep admiration for them. They were the ones I called when shit hit the fan…so that later I could be the one to call when shit hit the fan. And so on.
    These are not relationships between blood relatives, they are relationships within tribes (humans are tribal). Is there any benefit to the mentee? Humans are social animals and we survive by working together.

  20. @Play – Love it, and the HB9 was 29. I circled back for one last bang, and it was perfect. I had that moment where I “saw through her” – do you know what I mean? Perfect closing of the circle. No lament, don’t even want her anymore…Remember that old saying? “No matter how hot she is, some guy out there is sick of her bullshit”. Lol. Best part? No drama.

    A big risk of the red pill is seeing what really motivates women, in that it reduces my respect for them as a group. Male identity and morality is much more heroic – at our best. Of course, at our worst we are beasts, but at least we try to raise our snouts up out of the muck. But we are more layered, more inculcated with idealism and more righteous than women will ever be.

    Here’s a little shout out to all the men in the world this Saturday!!!! Go forward and what you will!!!!

    And oh yeah, working on a tatted up, 24yo hb8-9 with Daddy issues. It’s kind of sick now, I look for the young girls who react to my older man vibe and invariably Daddy isn’t on the scene. Sometimes stepdaddy is, as in her case. But she’s radiates nubility, femininity and is submitting. She’s 5’9″ with a thin but sculpted body (thigh gap you can drive a semi through, he he). Pale skin with amazing, high quality ink. Pierced nose, mouth, belly button, but all done so well. The facial piercings are tiny, from 10 ft away you might not notice them. Her face is not classically beautiful, having an aquiline nose and a slightly drawn look. But I love the look, so it all works together for me. Seemingly innocent, contrasted with the wild, good tats. So fucking hot. Great hair – midlength. Fyi, she cut her hair short and hated it – huge positive signal. Of course, in 10 years, the tats will look awful, as she will, but who gives a shit? I’m not here to save the world, just to glaze up hotties like donuts.

    Fyi, a big learning for me in game is that I am only really motivated by beautiful women. I guess it’s cuz I alway had beauts when younger, i can’t reduce my standards. I cannot get excited about gaming an HB6 or most HB7s even. Juice doesn’t seem worth the squeeze, and they are more bitchy. Just approaching, at my age, is such a projection of huge value that the HB9s show respect for my play. No, I’ll stick with the long term, hottie projects. And oh yeah, for you short guys out there, she’s an inch taller than me. All she really wants to know on that count is that it doesn’t matter to me, lol. Women never think I’m short and when taller than me often think I’m taller than them, and act surprised if they here my actual height. The hamster can work for you too…And she’s coming over to hang out during the snow we have coming up, a daytime visit. Will go party with her young friends tonight, sneaks around to see me early. He he. Fyi, I’m always working it, I have 20 other projects spinning, almost all fail – but do so early. She’s probably one out 100 tries for me, just so you guys don’t think hotties fall to the ground with their legs in the air screaming, “Fuck me Scribbler”. Sometimes that does come later though, he he.

    She’s borderline HB9, certainly an 8. A head turner, a waif, “She glides” as I think was said in that movie “Things to do When You Are Dead in Denver”? Pulled that out of nowhere, too lazy to look it up. But if you do remember it, than I’ll sign off this way.

    Boat Drinks!!

  21. Hey Blax, you ignorant boor, I’ll debate you live regarding your moronic ideas about politics/economics on any fora, any time. I have an anonymous YouTube channel, I can host it tomorrow afternoon. Put your money where your mouth is. And don’t blend in ‘low t’ stuff with the politics, it only makes you seem like even more of an arrogant windbag.

    I’ll make a complete fool of you, it will be sad. You could just STFU and go back to your little fantasy world though, I think that will be best for your intellect. We all find our level, intellectually Blax. Your’s is just far inferior to mine on these issues. Debating you on these topics would be like arguing it with a 13yo, or a retard, for me, Blax. Do you get that? You are like flat earther, howling at the moon, uttering trite absurdities that are a mere pose, not the result of any actual thought. Sure, you get away with that crap in lots of place – doesn’t make any of it valid.

    Any time, anywhere. And it will be light work for me…

  22. @Cheups – Ditto for you, your mumblings are barely coherent. I’ll debate you right after Blax, I’ll stack you dingbats up like cordwood.

  23. @anon – you didn’t go back and read, did you?

    Lost Patrol shot down his own examples. I just agreed.

    And let’s be clear, we’re painting with very broad strokes here. Yes, there are such things as women who mentor, and likely could be similar to what we’re discussing about men. But generally speaking, I don’t see it. And it’s not just the external ‘doing’ aspects of mentoring, but the motivations of mentoring that were at the heart of LostP’s original inquiry. You gloss over that part with vague ‘humans are social animals that work together’ which is trite and adds nothing to the discussion.

    To paraphrase Rollo, your personal experiences with spinning and whatnot don’t extrapolate to universal truths, just your own.

    Anyway, I don’t have anything more to say on the matter so let’s move on. Good bantering with you.

  24. Technically it’s spring. It’s also cold, dank and spitting sleet onto the snow banks. The long range forecast says I can expect this to continue for a couple weeks.

    I know I should be leaving this climate.
    I got a verse but can’t rhyme it.
    I gotta go where it’s warm.

    Boat Drinks.
    Waitress I need two more boat drinks.
    Then I’m headin’ south ‘fore my dream shrinks.
    I gotta go where it’s warm.

  25. “But generally speaking . . .”

    A senior man takes a junior man as his protege, and the senior’s guild takes the junior as a guild member after his Rite of Passage specific to the speciality of the guild.

    Senior women take junior women into the women’s circle, which the junior is a member of because she is a woman, because being a woman is a woman’s speciality.

    Pups and kittens get raised to be cats and dogs, each in their own way.

  26. @Scrib

    Thanks. I am flattered you would even consider it to debate me. Hehehe….

    I would get concerned when someone compliments another for their smarts. Quite often those who do think they are smarter (seeing they feel competent enough to asses the other well enough to make the judgement).

  27. @ scrub

    Lol. I’ve decided not to remind you of who you are, or what you are. You already know deep down inside, and that’s good enough for me.

    Everyone here knows too, from years of reading your often insane ramblings.

    The red pill has practically choked your simple ass to death.

    You’re not worthy of the time or effort.

    Have a nice ( cuckolded ) life.

  28. “funny how all of that passing on of womanly skills ended right around the time of the Sexual Revolution.”

    To be followed by forcing women into the men’s guilds so that male mentoring ended as well.

    Gee, I wonder why society has gone to shit.

  29. @ Höllenhund

    Right on the money. You’re 100% right about it being a mix of apex fallacy and women’s innate solipsism.

    I have been invisible in the SMP the vast majority of my life. Any time I feel ‘sorry’ for women, I think about what I’ve been through in the SMP and me and millions of other men have had it at least a million times worse. I’ll mention circumcision again as a concrete example of getting a shit deal in the SMP — literally having your genitals mutilated before you can even get into the game, on top of the fact that the game is currently rigged *heavily* in women’s favor.

    My mind has been blown being in a relationship with an Epiphany phase woman. Like holy shit, talk about a crash course. My first relationship, first time having sex, with an older woman, in my late 20’s no less…feels like I was thrown to the wolves.

    From a Blue Pill perspective, my relationship is fine. I’ve done some more honest analysis of my relationship, and I don’t think she’s doing anything any other Epiphany Phase woman wouldn’t do.

    It’s just that Epiphany Phase women are like a landmine for inexperienced men.

    But I’m the kingpin. In reality this relationship and the anxiety and issues I have about it are just extensions of the Beta in me that I apparently failed to kill.

    To be fair, it’s a lot for one guy to have on his plate. My dad supports me, but is Blue Pill as fuck, and shames and guilt trips me about my relationship, like if I ever want to go somewhere without her he’ll scold me and say “call her and invite her, you’re taking her with you.”

    It’s hard to break out when you’ve been conditioned your whole life. Learned helplessness: even when the door is open and you’re free to go, you’re conditioned to stay in place out of fear. So you just sit there looking at the world outside, wondering what it would be like, believing there’s nothing you can do to get there.

    That shit doesn’t happen with a snap of the fingers. Even getting a couple hookups was a huge milestone for me and it still didn’t do shit to prepare me for an unexpected Epiphany phase chick relationship and all the undercover Beta and Blue Pill shit it would bring up for me.

  30. @ kfg

    A huge reason I work so hard at what I do is because I look forward to impressing my mentor. Having someone be able to fully appreciate my progress has been absolutely key in me making so much progress. Deep down whenever I’m working on some project I’ll be thinking “I can’t wait to show him this when it’s done.”

    Of course, I have enough self esteem now that I can appreciate my own work and I have my own tastes and preferences that he might not share, and I’m completely fine with that. But having a mentor has been hugely important.

    On the flipside, there’s Blue Pill Alphas, who can be one and the same with good mentors. The advice they have about women and relationships can be completely Blue Pill even if the rest of what you get from them is gold.

    That presents a particular problem in this day and age where young men are thirsty for mentoring, criticism, praise, and recognition from older men they respect.

    It’s been very hard for me to ignore Blue Pill advice from guys like this. I know better, but when you don’t have any other positive masculine influences in your life….that’s an even more bitter pill to swallow. That the men you look up to most have a lot of their shit together, but when it comes to women and relationships they drop the ball.

    When the men I most look up to in my life basically tell me to stay in my current relationship and that pursuing multiple women is stupid and isn’t worth it….it’s VERY hard to ignore that when it’s the only day-to-day real, masculine interaction I’m getting in person. Makes this shit even HARDER to counteract. When men carry the torch for women and shame and guilt trip other men for having a masculine sexual imperative….god damn. Makes a real impact, especially when you’re impressionable and not Red Pill on your own and coming from your own mental point of origin yet.

    The two men I respect most in my life that I see every day have both told me to stay in the relationship and to forget about other women, and of course that makes things a lot harder for me. Now on top of the guilt tripping and shaming I get within the relationship I’m dealing with that too, to the point where I look at young, hot women and second guess myself EVERY time, to the point where I don’t even know if I actually want to fuck them or not. I’ll start thinking “it’s not worth it” or “It’s not like I’m going to do anything to fuck them so what’s the point in even looking at them anymore,” etc.

    This shit SUCKS. I can’t even begin to express how problematic Blue Pill Alphas are. You thought women were bad? MEN are the ones carrying the torch for women a lot of the time, and when you don’t have any other masculine influences in your life, what the hell are you supposed to do as a young guy?

    It’s very easy to think “it’s not that bad” looking at any relationship from a Blue Pill perspective. This is also because we’re conditioned to see women’s imperative as morally correct, so it feels comfortable.

    Anyway, I could go on, but that’s about it for now. I’ve actually been doing pretty well, but I’ve absolutely been suppressing and questioning my desires for other women, and those desires are what the male imperative is. I know I’m in denial of my own self and sexual desires, and it’s crazy to be simultaneously aware that I’ve been CONDITIONED to do exactly this.

    Hard to tell what are my own thoughts and what’s been put there by other people at this point, at least when it comes to women and sex.

    Thankfully I don’t have that problem in my trade and I’ve been working hard and am more confident than ever in my skills. That’s about the one thing keeping me sane.

    I’ll also say the relationship has been going fine by “normal” standards…the only thing is I know she’s Epiphany Phase and wants to lock me down, and the scary part is that now I’m having thoughts like “Would it really be bad to never have sex with any other women for the rest of my life, or if things don’t work out in this relationship, to never have sex again at all? Would it really be that bad?”

    Willingly compromising your freedom = hello Brave New World. Orwell was a little too straightforward and graphic. Huxley hit the nail on the head for the world we’re living in today.

    At least they had orgies in Brave New World, though. Lol. I don’t think even he could’ve imagined things being this bad.

  31. I believe that we are obligated to share the red pill with as many men as possible.

    I was made aware of the red pill about 3 years ago. As a brand new red pill man I mistakenly shared my newfound knowledge, in the form of unsolicited advice, with friends and family, with predictably poor results.

    I do agree with this essay, nothing good will come of revealing your red pil knowledge to your significant other, and it goes without saying that offering unsolicited advice is foolish.

    However, with that said, as Rollo Tomassi points out, trp actually saves men’s lives. So shouldn’t we be sharing it as widely as possible?

    The question then is how do we go about sharing trp on a large scale, but without offering unsolicited advice, without putting our careers in jeopardy, and without ‘outing’ ourselves to our significant others?

    One idea that came to mind is creating a flyer, with tear-off pieces with the rational male website, and posting them at local colleges.

    What are your thoughts?

  32. “I don’t think even he [Huxley] could’ve imagined things being this bad.”

    What they’re doing is using Orwellian techniques to bring about the Brave New World. That means we’re getting the worst of both. Yay!

  33. “So shouldn’t we be sharing it as widely as possible?”

    The key word is “possible.”

    “One idea that came to mind is creating a flyer, with tear-off pieces with the rational male website, and posting them at local colleges.”

    Advertising Fight Club is talking about it a whole lot.

  34. @kfg

    “Advertising Fight Club is talking about it a whole lot.”

    Sure, but the idea behind not talking about fight Club was that not all were worthy of fight club.
    In contrast to this, all men are worthy and deserving of the red pill.

  35. Without the “Red Pill” a mans balls will turn blue,”The Red Pill” will not help a man untill his balls turn blue.

    Blue balls do not ensure “Red Pill” digestion.

  36. @anon, funny how all of that passing on of womanly skills ended right around the time of the Sexual Revolution. All to be replaced with methods and legislation that prioritized an optimizing of Hypergamy.

    Actually, it ended when women’s skills were deemed unworthy of women–back when Rosie the Riveter made an appearance and women entered the work force in droves. WW2

  37. Evolver

    Nah. Most men are unworthy of the red pill. This is competition ona limboc level. Most of your so called worthy men would crush your skull with the nearest rock if they thought by doing so they could bone the 9 you have on your arm. Kum ba yah brotherhood of man is a beta concept.

    Those that are really worthy of the red pill prove it by acting and doing.

  38. Some men will study and fully understand Red Pill, but can’t fully internalize it because it is too hard. Some men will not be able to withstand the varying levels of pain ( depending on how deeply blue pill they are ) that will be associated with letting go of the fairytale, even though it does not serve them well in the long term.

    For some, blue balls will become a permanent condition that will only be relieved by further acquiescence to FI conditioning, relishing the scraps from the table rather than having a full and completely satisfying meal.

    @ Evolver

    I disagree that all men are indeed worthy of the red pill. Not by a longshot. But I do think that all men are worthy of being given the information and instruction. Repeatedly if necessary.
    But the giver of knowledge has to be prepared for the failures that will result from time to time, and then move on in search of a more ” worthy ” subject.

    A man fully immersed in blue pill/ FI thinking is like a man that is fully capable of breathing on his own, yet is hooked up to a ventilator. You can disconnect his life support and depending on how strongly he believes he will die without it, he may just perish.

    And you may never be able to save him.

  39. By simply advertising TRM or TRP all that will be acomplished is getting yourself labled as rad mysogynist while at the same time bringing slews of SJW’s and blue pillers here to lable the rest of us the same.

  40. @ stuff

    ” By simply advertising TRM or TRP all that will be acomplished is getting yourself labled as rad mysogynist while at the same time bringing slews of SJW’s and blue pillers here to lable the rest of us the same. ”

    Agree. The knowledge contained here is best used by men that are in search of it.

  41. Blax

    The “red pill” is like a fine lincoln welder,it works so smooth at filling cracks.

    But if you are not in the “keyrect possition” all that will be accomplished is a big mess.

  42. @ Blaximus

    “I disagree that all men are indeed worthy of the red pill. Not by a longshot. But I do think that all men are worthy of being given the information and instruction. Repeatedly if necessary.
    But the giver of knowledge has to be prepared for the failures that will result from time to time, and then move on in search of a more ” worthy ” subject.”

    I agree with this. @KFG, Blaximus put it better than I did here.

    @Stuffinbox

    Perhaps an advertisement would be counterproductive then…

    @Blaximus

    “The knowledge contained here is best used by men that are in search of it”

    Probably true, but how many of us here were introduced to trp by a friend, and not by our own doing.

    Perhaps it has to be a grass roots effort, from the bottom up, as Rollo has said previously, men helping men they know as the opportunity arises; but it’s rough to see blue pill men suffering, knowing that introducing them to trp might bear fruit, but being unable to say anything directly due to any number of reasons, career safety perhaps.

  43. ” . . . it’s rough to see blue pill men suffering . . .”

    You cannot cure suffering, because if you try, you will suffer, dear Liza, dear Liza. There are teachers, but there are no saviours.

    Your first mission is to be the change you want to see in the world, so that others may see it. Then those who can be helped will ask for it. There is your advertising.

  44. @Evolver

    @kfg
    The most abject beta cuck is the most deserving.

    “Deserving” is such a useless word.

    One idea that came to mind is creating a flyer, with tear-off pieces with the rational male website, and posting them at local colleges.
    What are your thoughts?

    I think that that will generate tremendous pushback and bad press for the Red Pill. Don’t talk about fight club unless someone asks.

  45. @Lezzgo

    “For the guys who are beta to neurotic levels, you cant just teach them “game” like that, succes will require a total spiritual transformation.”

    In a feminine social primary order, nearly everyone runs some form of game. Women are past masters at it and a society run at their behest, would employ it. Think of the mundane everyday social games we see. The mumblers who can’t be bothered to speak at an audible volume, so they can ascertain how invested you are in what they have to say. The person who says hello but doesn’t acknowledge you as they walk pass. Isn’t the trap to respond with a greeting in return thus confirming your insecurities in accepting their disregard for your person with a response?
    These games of sleight are commonplace in today’s world. We’ve grown accustom to it. We automatically filter most of it. Game as we understand it today would be subject to this kind of filtering.

    Game is only as successful as the environment it’s used in. Take Roosh V’s trips to eastern Europe to pull women as an example. He’s admitted it’s a struggle for him to apply game successfully where he resides.

    James Marshall (a natural PUA) said learning sets wasn’t something anyone should do. He advocates knowing the principles of game and then applying them in a way that’s natural for the individual. James stated (quite rightly in my opinion) women’s bullchit radar can pick up minor inconsistencies (sub coms), you and I wouldn’t necessarily be aware of and pull the plug on that basis.

    This quote of yours was very insightful and something I can personally attest to. Although I would add Rollo has written an essay called ‘kill the beta’ and recently the ‘reconstruction’ series (among other essays) to address the transformation you mentioned.

  46. ” Game is only as successful as the environment it’s used in. Take Roosh V’s trips to eastern Europe to pull women as an example. He’s admitted it’s a struggle for him to apply game successfully where he resides. ”

    I’ve always been exceedingly curious about this. If I’m not mistaken, Roosh lived in the DC area. I always took his ” Bang ” wherever stuff as a sign that he had no true Game skills. There’s like 650,000 folks in DC, and a couple of million in the surrounding area ( where most people that work in dc live ), and he had to fly all over to game chicks?

    No.

    Game, true game is universal and separates the wheat from the chaff. If there are women present in sufficient number, they can be ” gamed “. Buuuutttt…it’s harder if one is an insufferable dickhead.

    How’s Roosh’s game nowadays I wonder?

    ** Disclaimer **

    I personally don’t care for Roosh and haven’t for over a decade. He once called me some choice names and banned me when I questioned some of his ” wisdom “, hence my strong indifference to his current position in life.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t43LZ2-x6dY/maxresdefault.jpg

  47. @ Evolver

    ” Perhaps it has to be a grass roots effort, from the bottom up, as Rollo has said previously, men helping men they know as the opportunity arises; but it’s rough to see blue pill men suffering, knowing that introducing them to trp might bear fruit, but being unable to say anything directly due to any number of reasons, career safety perhaps. ”

    In today’s climate, a man could very well put himself at risk while trying to help other men. It has to be done smartly. Too many people out in the world, male and female, who love to conduct witch hunts and kowtow to the powers that be. The sphere is young and still evolving, mostly because it is off the radar. Always remember, we men don’t have the machinery that those who would oppose us have.

    Now having sad that, I’d agree with you that it is tough watching men suffer. Just remember that the suffering is not of your doing. Nothing wrong with desperately wanting to help, just be wary that all of that ” Good Samaritan ” could go south and be used against you, even by the one’s you may think love you.

    The best way to help others is to be smart about it and tamp down the emotional aspects.

    Truth is, not everyone will be saved. The same for any kind of catastrophe that occurs.

    Rome wasn’t built in a day, nor did it fall in a day.

  48. I’ve been a little worried that I’m not DPA. Last night reassured me, though. This is a field report about DPA.

    Last night I went to my country bar. On the way, driving, I was hassled as usual with negative thoughts about a particular broad and I just waved them off. Excellent start! My vibe was positive! At the bar, some PUAs were looking to me to give them social proof, including a guy I hadn’t seen in months and who had AMOGed me previously. He didn’t even try last night. In fact, he was uber friendly.

    I felt free to be more emotionally demonstrative. I chatted the staff up and many of them were friendly. I danced five or six dances with a particular mid-20-something hottie (no more than a couple of dances sequentially). I danced with several hotties, but some of them didn’t like competing for my attention and they buffered their egos by avoiding eye contact. Next time I’ll set their expectations.

    So, back to this particular girl I danced with all night. One PUA noticed that I was dancing with her a lot as well and he stayed away. I found the fact that he noticed very interesting. A lot of other people in the bar likely noticed as well. Girls who won’t dance with me are likely watching me. Hmm. How can I leverage this for more fun?

    The girl was wearing a red top, not showing cleavage, but leaving her shoulders a little bare. Tasteful and sexy. Yummm! The girl was a dancing novice, but she followed me very well! Lots of dance chemistry and emotional connection. Yummy! I was enjoying myself dancing with the girl. We had periodic incidental lasering while we danced and she smiled when it happened. Not much convo, tho. Even though she was well lubed with booze, she still danced well. Unusual.

    So, I did a post mortem today about an awkward event that happened dancing with the girl. At one point my hand ended up on her boob. I was turning her and wanted to take her left hand, but it was near her boob. I took it and began moving her hand away, but her turn was quick and her boob advanced into my hand. Dance is a contact sport, heh. Didn’t bother the girl, even though she was brand new to lead/follow dancing. Maybe the booze caused her to not notice or maybe she didn’t care or maybe the contact was a cheap thrill for her. It’s Ok if the girl likes the guy, but creepy if she doesn’t.

    A couple of final things indicate that there was more than just enjoyment of dancing. First, when I was chatting up a group of three people, the girl and her gf positioned themselves right in front of me. This was just before we danced our last dance and after the boob incident. When I went to ask her for the last dance, I complimented her on following so well. She replied that maybe it’s because she’s a gymnastic instructor. Well, her body WAS awesome. I took this as being try-hard (she was a little drunk) and very cute and a massive IOI. Not attractive in a beta , but very attractive in a hottie.

    At the end of our last dance I gave the girl a trinket to remember me by. She thought it was very sweet. That’s me being a nice guy, lol. I felt free to do that without worrying about whether it was weak. I wanted to and it was manipulative and fun and nobody was hurt. One of the PUAs thought that it was a cool thing to do.

    I liked that girl and enjoyed dancing with her. Last night was a lot of fun for many reasons!

    It’s not riding motorcycles or MMA or lifting weights or learning plumbing. It was about navigating a social environment with skill and enjoying myself. For me, that’s DPA and Ok.

  49. Say, Scrib? Whatever you’re currently juicing on, might want to dial the dosage back a ways.

  50. Blaximus

    How’s Roosh’s game nowadays I wonder?

    Never read much of any of his books. Far as I can tell, his “game” was mostly “masculine, dark, foreign new man in town” game. Not exactly the most top shelf game to run in the DC area. We’ve both seen some of his latest videos. He’s stuck inside his blue-pill mind. IMO.

  51. @ AR

    Yup, “masculine, dark, foreign new man in town” is right. Also add in the ” get you tipsy/drunk and bang you out quick ” game. Pffftttt, I don’t consider that ” game ” at all. In fact, I don’t expect any man over 19 years of age to conduct himself that way as a tactic.

    He was one of The First though, and I wasn’t reading him from the very beginning. I probably came in as he was starting his early descent. Now when I hear him whining like a bitch, I wonder where the strong, masculine, debonair man about…eastern bloc counties, has gone.

    At least he out of his mom’s basement, so there’s that.

  52. LOL.

    What’s with all the ‘Mean Girls’ Bashing of Guys Club?

    (Scribbler is a great manosphere commenter in my book. Based on his inspired past writing. I’m the most judgmental guy I know, but I can’t judge him for where he has been, what he does, or what the fuck he says. I respect those aspects of his masculine being. I, for one, cannot dismiss his advancement of the masculine imperative here. I’m amused by his tactics. Which tend to lean out to an edgy edge. Intentional on his part. I respect that. He speaks from a self admitted tortured heart. But it is authentic masculine heart. And it bleeds passion.)

    My $.02 on Roosh (And Neil Strauss, and Athol, but not the fraud Tucker Max) is that they rose to their own level of incompetence (The Peter Principle). They got and inch for great work in the manosphere and excellent writing and they decided to make a break to get a mile.

    Roosh’s ‘The Best of Roosh’ and ‘Bang’ were great works of writing. Really good. (The author is not the message about what was written, when written.) Same for early Athol Kay, which distilled a lot of other great manosphere stuff into his first two books. And thanks gods for Strauss’ ‘The Game’.

    Can you spell “flamed out”?

    The nature of men is to disagree, punch a guy in the face, laugh, make up and sit down for a figurative beer and start over without the past disagreement. In order to make progress with their own damn issues. Acceptance, if appropriate, of past enmities, then move on with your own life without them renting space in the recesses of your mind. We got red pill work to do. And no time to regressively whine about shit that guys have said in anger (or denial, bargaining or depressive) phases.

    Next. Issue. Move. On.

  53. @sjf. Regarding how men disagree. A friend of mine turned into a beta orbiter for one of the girls I was banging.

    His attention only enabled her bad behaviours towards me and he clearly moved in on her.

    He told me. I explained that he was being used to get to me and that loyalty was important. He continued hanging out with her and remaining in contact despite the fact I told him it bothered me and was a needless source of drama.

    I had to cut him loose. Blue pill guys are so thirsty for puasy they pretend to be “nice guys” and white knight. He was tying to tell me I was a chauvinist for thinking this way and tried playing big ends: chasing my leftovers and tooling me to chill out about it.

    I’d read about this white knighting but only recently encountered it in real life situation first hand.

    To those guys here who want to educate their friends on the Red Plll take note.

    Women manipulate so that guys like this think they’re actually doing well with women.

    If every guy was Red Pill women would be less inclined to pull the “poor me” waif crap and not be able to cultivate orbiters with such ease.

    Just disappointed in my friend for being used like and his thirst is a form of disloyalty.

    but while it’s disappointing to lose a friend it’s worse to have untrustworthy dupes in your life.

    If guys truly had your back wth women what a different world this would be.

  54. @Anonymous Reader

    Say, Scrib? Whatever you’re currently juicing on, might want to dial the dosage back a ways.

    You are on your way to a very colourful dress down my friend. Your IQ is going room temperature in a jiffy I tell ya.

    Still, like I said, better the fella who calls you stupid. It is the one who call you smart that you should watch out for.

  55. Ollie adopting the Red Pill is liberating but requires dumping a lot of thinking and baggage and people from the past.

    But it’s so worth it. The freedom you achieve as a result of knowing you’re not tied to other people’s perceptions of what you should be…

  56. cheupez
    You are on your way to a very colourful dress down my friend.

    Already got that T-shirt. We all care for Scrib in our own particular, individual way.

  57. @wala

    Just disappointed in my friend for being used like and his thirst is a form of disloyalty.

    Your friend is just an oxytocin addict. You’re dealing with a junkie. Don’t keep junkies as friends.

  58. No time to even read the comments. Been busy gaming the new HB8.5, working my biz, playing a music gig and really have no interest in going back and forth here. Today is more biz, then the new hottie is coming over to hang out.

    It’s funny how old habits die hard, they are like echoes of identity or something. Red Pill Scribbs takes a breath and asks himself: Why do I want to debate any of these guys? Is it worth my time? Will I enjoy it? No, no and no. And it won’t make a difference.

    My goal is simple – to educate the ignorant on the right. A big part of the reason the left has been able to run circles around the right is that Leftists spend far more time and energy studying the political ideas they hold than folks on the right. Even here, with some very smart guys, the level of bullshit when it comes to politics and economics is pretty funny to listen to. That is, if you’ve actually bothered to study these subjects in depth and with care.

    Perhaps the funniest of these creatures is today’s “Alt Righter”, rehashing mystical, anti-modern ideas by idiotic “philosophers” favored by fascists. I’ve done my homework on what Vox Popoli and Richard Spencer claim as the basis for their ideas and it’s far worse than I thought. These fuckwads actually reject “modernity” and classical liberalism itself. I wonder, do all you guys here who claim to be alt right even know that? Do you understand that these folks want us to revert essentially to feudal times. To a class based society run by a powerful aristocracy, with no pretense of democracy.

    And of course, as I’ve pointed out here so many times that it’s kind of boring, their “race realism” is nothing new. That stuff has been peddled for decades and doesn’t imply what alt righters say it must. The three bullet points that destroy the white nationalists claims at rationality and being “science based” are:

    1. If you claim that blacks can’t thrive alongside and amongst whites in the U.S., you have to explain the pre-1960s 20th century and how closely black social progress mirrored white social progress. The differences were marginal with respect to marriage rates, employment, criminality etc. Blacks were clearly on the same upwards track as their peers in who were white. Period. Dot. End of sentence. Your “race realist” model must explain that or you are wrong. Fucktard. Shitbrain. Asshole. You are just a fucking racist if you cling to your bullshit after reading this. Really. Get that.

    2. You have to explain why the white underclass exhibits the same social pathologies as the black underclass. As I’ve said here far too many times, just read Charles Murray’s Coming Apart and you’ll see this is true. In fact, what’s really happened is that the programs of the left and right destroyed the working class economically via inflation, absurd trade policies, govt coerced unionization, massive overregulation and monetary policies in general that sought support debt laden people and companies. Even worse, the “New Left” reformed itself to focus on culture. It turned it’s focus to fight sexism, racism and capitalism, so it fed a self-destructive victim culture based on identity politics that paralyzed the underclass, hurting blacks most of all.

    As an aside for those here who actually know something about our recent political history, it was Herbert Marcuse in the ’60s who first proposed that denying “fascists” their right to free speech was a moral position for a Leftist to take. Being “no platformed” is not new – it’s just that they’ve taken it to new levels. Antifa is a bog standard marxist revolutionary cadre. You must see the connection between today’s events and those times. If not, you miss most of what is actually happening. This is why when poseurs like Blax try to dismiss my commentary on the Left and Marxism with a quip or a throwaway line, you should see that he has no facts – while I’m drenched in them. I do have some sympathy thought, these truths aren’t taught in most schools and aren’t discussed seriously in our political discourse. Talking about the Left is verboten. Look what happened to poor Joe McCarthy – he was the one blacklisted. He only spoke truth, which was proved by the Venona decrypts and confirmed by the short-lived opening of the KGB archives.

    That’s actually a great place for any of you out there who want to get a grip on just how pervasive communist influence was in the U.S. govt in pre and post WWII times. Hundreds of Soviet agents roamed the State Dept and later CIA halls. The penetration was massive. None of this is at all controversial – the historical record is clear. M. Stanton Evans published a great book on all this a few years ago, Blacklisted by History. He shows how badly McCarthy was attacked – exactly as Trump is being attacked now. Get this, if you still believe McCarthy was a bad guy or did a thing wrong, you are subscribing to a false, leftist history. It should be a signal to you that you may not have a solid grasp on the 20th century political history of your own government. You will be shocked if you read Evans work.

    Again, this is why I laugh when people try to dismiss me as a red-baiter or whatever. They usually simply do not know the actual record and history of all this. That’s not my fault and when people who know fuck-all argue with me about it, I’m not obliged to take them seriously or treat their ignorant buffoonery civilly.

    3. As to the science, I rest my views on one ineluctable truth. When differences between the races are measured biologically/genetically, what we find is that the variance between peoples in the same race is higher than the variance between the races. I know some of you don’t get that, so slow it down. Our differences with each other, at the margins, are greater within our own races than it is with the average person of another race. Huh, hmmm. Interesting. While not conclusive, it is supportive of the idea that perhaps our differences aren’t so great that we can’t get along.

    What I do agree with is that culture is decisive. Up until the ’60s, blacks weren’t living with identity politics being beaten into them 24/7. Blacks were essentially climbing the same ladder the Irish and many others before them had climbed. They did so adopting the WASPy values which informed the individualism and morality required to function in a classically liberal society in which individual liberty was held as the highest moral good. And all that flowed from that.

    You also must manage immigration with an eye towards demographic balance, so assimilation of immigrants is forced. We have to make it virtually impossible for immigrants to come here an live a non-American life. And of course all of the cultural issues are why I talk about leftists and Marx and Progressives. They intentionally dismantled that WASPy culture. They intentionally destroyed modernity. I agree to a certain point with their critique of multi-culturalism, but they take it to ridiculous extremes. Even worse, by ultimately rejecting classical liberalism itself and the central role individual liberty and self-governance play in it, the intellectual lights of the Alt Right remove themselves from the grand experiment we are all in the midst of. They are anti-historical. They are reactionaries in the true political sense of the word. Which makes them scum.

    They are fascists, ethno-fascists if you want to be precise. To align with the likes of them is to announce your moral depravity or ignorance. My guess is for 95% of alt righters it’s ignorance. Seriously, how many of you alt right clowns can debunk my analysis or reasoning here factually and reasonably? Maybe KFG…And I’ll still destroy him in my counters.

    But I don’t have the time or inclination to try. You can read why I write and do your own research and see if you really accept what the racist, fascist fucks running the Alt Right actually believe or you can just carry on. Arguing with you won’t help. A few here, who don’t comment, might wake up. You should also get that I’m not really here to talk to the babbling commenters here who have a retort for everything. I’m here for the rest of you guys out there actually looking to learn something who don’t comment but read.

    I get it. The alt right is seductive. It preys on your primal, tribal instincts and tells you they are primary. They provide a seemingly impressive intellectual edifice, and are not drooling haters or skinheads. And the likes of Spencer and Vox are smart. It just feels right, I know. You have to resist being seduced by them and press deeper. You’ll find everything I’ve said here is true. And then you’ll have a choice…

  59. Scribblerg

    Never thought of TRM as an alt right blog and given Rollo’s preference to avoid politics and race issues, seems your points would be better addressed at The Chateau.

  60. @Ollie – Re: Roosh – I guess doing angry videos from your parents house – while going grey in your 30s – may not signal “alpha” to women not desperate to marry any western guy with an actual job. As soon as I realized Roosh was focused on eastern Euros, I knew he was in trouble. I had a few of them in NYC and they are like deer in the headlights if you are any kind of decent western man with a little alpha dog in you. Doesn’t take much, long story as to why but suffice it to say that the post Soviet order is not kind to anyone not at the top. The social/economic desperation such people are accustomed to raises the stakes on finding a provider mate. In a way, Roosh’s game had to have had a bit of provider signaling. Like Krauser, they say, “I’m here in Prague writing a book” – sounds cool, but also something someone with money can do. And then of course there is the desire travel to and perhaps move to the U.S., or gain immigration status.

    Stripped of all that, and given his current circumstances, is it any wonder he can’t get laid? Remember, as you get older, one of the things women expect is that you have your shit together. Not necessarily to spend on them, fyi, I don’t do that intentionally. But they want to believe you have your life in order and that the frame you bring includes a well put together life They see your ability to do so as high value, in terms of mentoring and what they want to learn. Have to be careful with this vibe too, cuz it can go non-sexual, but done in balance, it’s like catnip to young women. Roosh is in his prime years now, in theory. He should be slaying it. But he’s not.

    Which is pretty goddamned funny. And then to see him do videos shredding western women, it’s all just so bitter. And predictable. Hey, guess what? If you make your whole life and business about chasing pussy, your life will be empty and meaningless and you’ll never accomplish much of note. This just in. It’s even worse in Roosh’s case. He apparently studied biology and had an entry job in his field. He had built the foundation for a good life, but he just chucked it all. In favor of some BS version of the Red Pill where you are an anarchist, race realist who won’t work for the corporate monsters, lol. In other words, a bunch of nonsense to justify being irresponsible.

    Being irresponsible is cute when you are 24. Not so much in your mid to late 30s. But hey, what do I know, Roosh is one of the original “3 Rs” of pickup. I met him late and I was never impressed. His reach far exceeds his grasp, a fatal mistake for any man. And one always born of hubris. One last thought. Roosh sounds like a lot of other angry Muslim men, doesn’t he?

    1. Last I heard Roosh has been shacked up with (as far as I know) her first LTR girlfriend for well over a year. He admits as much in 2-3 videos he’s done recently. I’m fairly certain she’s a single mother too since he’s been interrupted by kids in the same location he’s shooting videos from.

      Take that with a grain of salt, but it follows that his “conversion” would happen after he got into something long term with a woman. A lot of formerly RP men renounce or water down the truth to accommodate their girlfriends influence. It follows that he’d try to redefine TRP for himself in this context.

  61. @Sentient – This place is crawling with alt righters. Just watch…And as for your opinion on where my views are best shared, I’m curious, why on earth would you think I care? And Chateau banned me with my first critical comment long ago. Rollo allows all but spam/bots/trolls here. This is a site favored by many alt right, fundo christian white nationalists. Try to keep up…

  62. Not exactly the most top shelf game to run in the DC area.

    Yeah his schtick never worked well here. Roissy, who was also living here back in the day, had much more success here than Roosh did, which is why Roosh was always traveling. Like all markets, DC area is a specific one, and it requires a specific kind of Game, given that many of the girls here are very educated — Roissy’s “DC lawyer chicks” is of course a generalization, but it isn’t that far from the mark and it’s very, very different from almost anywhere else in the US. You have to have “highly educated girl Game” here, and that wasn’t Roosh’s schtick.

    1. Roosh’s game has always been domain dependent. I don’t think he’s ever been successful within any other domain than Eastern Europe. Even Iceland (Don’t Bang Iceland) was too out of market for Roosh. If you read his book 30 Bangs and Poosy Paradise you’ll get how formulaic his “Game” really is. It’s not even game really, it’s social proof for being western and going with the girls who bite on his bait. Real Game allows a guy to select his targets, Roosh has always allowed himself to be selected and then moved on from there.

  63. Hundreds of Soviet agents roamed the State Dept and later CIA halls.

    Media and culture as well. They still do. They even get elected President of the U.S.

  64. @scrib

    1. If you claim that blacks can’t thrive alongside and amongst whites in the U.S., you have to explain the pre-1960s 20th century and how closely black social progress mirrored white social progress.

    That’s actually a great place for any of you out there who want to get a grip on just how pervasive communist influence was in the U.S. govt in pre and post WWII times. Hundreds of Soviet agents roamed the State Dept and later CIA halls. The penetration was massive.

    Do you understand that these [alt-Right] folks want us to revert essentially to feudal times. To a class based society run by a powerful aristocracy, with no pretense of democracy.

    Democracy gave us FDR and LBJ, No Fault Divorce, VAWA, shaming of housewives, and stopped the financial improvement of blacks. :/

    NB: I’m not an alt-Righter, but I examine ideas for weaknesses. I’m not sure how to choose leaders, but our current system is a mess. Maybe raise the voting age to 30 and restrict voting to men.

  65. Scribbler: “This place is crawling with alt righters.”

    You are 99 44/100 percent alt-right in your views and about the only one who goes on about them here.

    Richard Spencer thinks Vox Day isn’t alt-right.

    Vox Day thinks Spencer is an idiot. Calls for more democracy, a return to 1965 demographics, not “racial purity” and denies that he himself is white (Mexican and sufficiently Native American to be an official tribe member).

    “Maybe KFG…”

    I am not alt-right. The way I have put it to Vox Day is that I am a guest at his table, because there’s nowhere else for me to go on the current political spectrum (as a Jeffersonian I’m too conservative for the “conservatives,” not conservative enough for the monarchists), but I’m fonder of the Enlightenment than he is, and an irredeemable atheist to boot.

    I don’t go anywhere near Spencer, who wouldn’t consider me white in any case (See Vox Day). His friend McDonald is far more dangerous anyway, with his academic credentials and being about as close to an actual neo-Nazi as you can get these days. Funny that the egalitarian wild man-thing liked him as a reference.

    Vox Day would give you a much better debate than I would, because he would enjoy it and I don’t care. I’m in CYA mode. My interest is in how to deal with the fright train of social chaos that’s barrelling down the tunnel at me.

    But if you wanted to debate him, you’d have to do something about getting hold of your temper.

  66. “Even Iceland (Don’t Bang Iceland) was too out of market for Roosh.”

    Iceland is probably the easiest “pickin’s” in the world if you’re not playing Anglo Sugar Daddy game.

  67. Scribbs

    This site is favored by cloaked equalists whatever they call their politics, yeah they got over the male female equalism but are still in Stage 1 on the rest. Your comments above shade this way as well.

    As for not shitting on our Host’s house and hospitality.. Well that’s just being socially savvy. Do as you wish.

    But if you think you have the chops to win hearts and minds on this topic… Let’s see it at Le Chateau. Not even Thwack got banned there until he was just straight spamming and sock puppeteering.

  68. “Roosh has always allowed himself to be selected and then moved on from there.”

    While resenting it all the way.
    “I’m nothing but a clown! These stupid bitches….”

  69. “Conservatives don’t fight. The Alt-Right exists to fight. Remember, the Alt-Right is a political taxonomical description, not a membership club with monthly dues. If you’re beating the hell out of a Black Bloc thug, then you’re Alt-Right even if you don’t know it yet. The lion doesn’t know that he’s called a “lion”, after all.” –Vox Day

  70. Great article, Rollo. Been awhile since I’ve read some RM and this was a great first read to recover some important concepts. Sharing with a few unplugged-in-process friends as we speak.

  71. Rollo on Rooshv
    Take that with a grain of salt, but it follows that his “conversion” would happen after he got into something long term with a woman.

    Weak frame leads to weak game, in my experience. Or to put it another way:
    “Every MRA is one BJ away from surrender” – paraphrasing Zed at the old Spearhead.

  72. Scrib
    No time to even read the comments.

    Again, cut back the dosage on whatever you are juicing. That includes anger, because dopamine hits are dopamine hits.

    Been busy gaming the new HB8.5, working my biz, playing a music gig and really have no interest in going back and forth here.

    Then why are you escalating on the “going back and forth”, Scrib? Got an itch that you just have to come here to scratch?

    It’s funny how old habits die hard, they are like echoes of identity or something. Red Pill Scribbs takes a breath and asks himself: Why do I want to debate any of these guys? Is it worth my time? Will I enjoy it? No, no and no. And it won’t make a difference.

    My goal is simple – to educate the ignorant on the right

    LOL. No, Scrib, you’re way far beyond that stage.

    Your goal is obvious: to try to force everyone else to agree with you. To be right and to have others admit “Yes, Scribs, you’re right”. It’s something from deep inside, an itch that you habitually scratch from time to time. You’re one of the most self-reflective men to post here, so if you contemplate you’ll see this itch for what it is, and where in your younger life it comes from.

    If you want to post long screeds about politics, wordpress makes it easy to set up your own blog.

    One more time:
    Scrib, you really need to stop Jonesing on the anger. It’s bad for your health.

  73. “If you want to post long screeds about politics, wordpress makes it easy to set up your own blog.”

    Or, he could beard the “lion” in his own den, if the grapes aren’t sour for some reason.

  74. “Or, he could beard the “lion” in his own den, if the grapes aren’t sour for some reason.”

    I’ve had a fetish for store prepared macaroni salad recently. I find it curious that I can’t conceive of eating it with anything other than a fork. (Eating it with a spoon just seems weird. Notwithstanding even having a taste fetish for it as a Type I diabetic seems completely inappropriate.) Sometimes we do things that aren’t in our own best interests to distract ourselves from more important issues our ego needs to suppress. (How I eat macaroni salad is currently low on my list of my worries, but it still makes me think about how my choices are generated.)

    P.S. Kfg’s quote is not a non sequitur. I can’t decide if mine is. Or not.

  75. @Scribblerg

    Everything I know of Roosh V, I’ve gotten secondhand from TRM. I don’t watch his videos or use his forum. I take the view TRM is the best manosphere blog on the internet, so why would I want to go elsewhere to view inferior material? It doesn’t make sense.

    “Remember, as you get older, one of the things women expect is that you have your shit together.”

    This is rarely touched upon because of the beta provider connotations. But yes, you’re right, you have to have something going for you, once you reach a certain age. How can you display high value otherwise?
    Also what does it say about the character of a person who has no ambition to improve their lot?

    “He had built the foundation for a good life, but he just chucked it all. In favor of some BS version of the Red Pill where you are an anarchist, race realist who won’t work for the corporate monsters, lol. In other words, a bunch of nonsense to justify being irresponsible.”

    This is what’s wrong with society, at least since the turn of the century. Most appear to be feckless wonders waiting for something to fall from the skies for them. The something for nothing culture.
    This came about as a result of the lax credit standards implemented after World Trade Centre Attacks to stimulate the economy. It also ushered in the era of rampant hypergamy and the idea of the disposable man. People were free to get loans for anything and spend until their heart’s content. In this period women didn’t need a provider of any name, as the banks and the government were at her beck and call.

    “Being irresponsible is cute when you are 24.”

    My life has been one, long, high wire act without the safety net. Cute doesn’t come into it.

  76. @Scribblerg

    Everything I know of Roosh V, I’ve gotten secondhand from TRM. I don’t watch his videos or use his forum. I take the view TRM is the best manosphere blog on the internet, so why would I want to go elsewhere to view inferior material? It doesn’t make sense.

    “Remember, as you get older, one of the things women expect is that you have your shit together.”

    This is rarely touched upon because of the beta provider connotations. But yes, you’re right, you have to have something going for you, once you reach a certain age. How can you display high value otherwise?
    Also what does it say about the character of a person who has no ambition to improve their lot?

    “He had built the foundation for a good life, but he just chucked it all. In favor of some BS version of the Red Pill where you are an anarchist, race realist who won’t work for the corporate monsters, lol. In other words, a bunch of nonsense to justify being irresponsible.”

    This is what’s wrong with society, at least since the turn of the century. Most appear to be feckless wonders waiting for something to fall from the skies for them. The something for nothing culture.
    This came about as a result of the lax credit standards implemented after the World Trade Centre Attacks to stimulate the economy. It also ushered in the era of rampant hypergamy and the idea of the disposable man. People were free to get loans for anything and spend until their heart’s content. In this period women didn’t need a provider of any name, as the banks and the government were at her beck and call.

    “Being irresponsible is cute when you are 24.”

    My life has been one, long, high wire act without the safety net. Cute doesn’t come into it.

  77. “My life has been one, long, high wire act without the safety net. Cute doesn’t come into it.”

    Purely unintentional, I presume?

    You know, safety nets allow for more creative dancing on high wires.

  78. Saw a guy texting yesterday, in a coffee shop. He was ahead of me in the line but I could read his texts at the angle he was holding the phone. Looked early 30s, hipster-ish, clearly educated, middle-class.

    Him: “It’s difficult when after all this time you can’t even bring yourself to touch me or be intimate”

    Her: “That’s a horrible thing to say”

    Him: “It’s true. It’s all I can think about and how it makes me feel”

    Was sad. There’s almost a novel hiding there but I think anyone who is a regular commenter here can figure out the plot.

    I wanted to tell him about TRM so that he could at least learn and understand why this is happening to him, and he seems close enough to the desperation stage that he might listen but I had no easy way of telling him in a way that he’d listen to me..I didn’t think it would be very effective to be like “I couldn’t help but read your texts and I think you’ll benefit from this website”..

  79. Some guys at CH printed up business cards with the website on it. Easy enough to hand out and say “have a look friend”..

  80. ATTENDING A CONFERENCE (OFF-TOPIC)

    I will be attending an out-of-town, multi-day members-only conference for my profession. I have earned their certification. This will be my first time attending this particular type of conference.

    THE WIFE

    I have passed the shit test regarding taking the wife. I point blank told her that I am there to further my career–not to hang out with her. The dread level went off the charts, with accusations that I don’t want her there so that I can be unfaithful. Strangely, in the wife’s scenario, the woman comes on to me and I am unable to refuse. So, I guess I’m Alpha because women want to throw themselves at me, but I’m also Beta because apparently I don’t have agency. I mention this because I thought this rationalization was interesting and somewhat amusing. However, this is not the problem.

    THE BOSS

    I am in a specialized field, where I have been able to run my own “shop” with only minor interference. However, my department is subordinate to a different department that in many organizations is co-equal. The boss mentioned attending this conference—which I did not encourage. First, it’s not this person’s field and second it’s members only.

    So, I found out that the boss joined the organization and booked the conference. This person has been of no assistance in the only 3 things a person wants from the boss: money, promotion, staffing; and, this is not expected to change. Instead, I believe this person is trying to build credibility with the intention of taking a more active role. In other words, the boss wants me to teach the boss how to be my boss.

    WHAT TO DO?

    This person is not personally objectionable, but I do not want to be shoulder-to-shoulder during sessions and social events with this person. I want to maximize my time to make contacts and build rapport with the goal of looking for a better opportunity and leaving.

    Having said that, I am in my late 50’s, and although I can pass for early 40’s, I have found the job market quite challenging. So, I have to be realistic that maybe I’ll be at my current job in spite of my efforts to make a change.

    Other than “play it by ear”, does anyone have any experience with this situation? Any advice?

    My apologies to anyone offended by the long off-topic post, but I would rather ask men whose opinions I respect than some career or “dear abby” forum. Thank you.

  81. @If-I-Fell – no immediate advice comes to mind from me, but it’s a good idea to post here for advice. Last year I posted for career advice too (coincidentally it was about moving into a new career field, attending a multi-day conference and building relationships) and had some great advice from here.

  82. @Fell

    For instance, force interviewers to qualify themselves, be ready to break rapport early, don’t have anti-Game like appearing needy and lacking options…give off the impression that you have too many choices…get interviewers to invest in you and compliment you.

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