Stalling for Time

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I was made aware of a trio of rather noteworthy stories last week all of which I found dovetail nicely on topic together. The first was Tweeted to me about the new advent of artificial ovaries and how overjoyed our feminine-concerned social order was that ‘infertile‘ women might have a better chance of conception. The report’s subtitled perspective was, ostensibly, about how making a synthetic home for a woman’s egg-producing follicles could improve fertility after chemotherapy and help women with endometriosis conceive:

Women can become infertile after cancer treatment as the ovaries and the egg-making follicles they contain are vulnerable to chemotherapy, especially for leukaemias, brain cancers and lymphomas. Removing and freezing ovarian tissue beforehand to reimplant after treatment can help women conceive, but there is a risk that this tissue will reintroduce hidden cancer cells.

Call me a cynic, but I think if a woman’s had a cancer serious enough to warrant chemotherapy I’m not sure her capacity to conceive a child is really her most important concern. A noble reasoning to be sure, but another paragraph down and we get to the real reason for the excitement:

“It may be used by women who want to delay having babies or postpone the menopause“

The method could benefit other women, too. “When fully developed, this technology may be used in women who want to delay having babies for social reasons, or who want to postpone the menopause,” says Claus Andersen at the University Hospital of Copenhagen, Denmark.

Ah yes, the Holy Grail of bioengineered gender equalism – a safe and effective means of perpetuating a woman’s fertility well beyond all reason and concern for healthy parenting would otherwise mandate. Nowhere is it mentioned, or are we to politely consider, that women’s real reasons for wanting a safe way to extend their fertility has less to do with ‘infertility’ concerns and a lot more to do with their difficulties in optimizing Hypergamy.

Earlier this year I wrote an essay entitled Assurances in which I argue that women will demand that society and science accommodate and insure their indefinite fertility while they sort out why it is they can’t seem to find the right (and Hypergamously cooperative) guy with which to start a family. I began that article by outlining the recent worker’s benefit of ‘egg freezing’ some larger companies were offering in order to entice (executive level) women to work for them – women, we are meant to presume, are so absorbed by their careers that they need to dedicate their most fertile years to their professional aspirations. All in order to stay on an equal footing with hyper-competitive men of course:

The latent purpose of developing technology to freeze a woman’s eggs, for instance, is to cheat (or give the impression of being able to cheat) the otherwise natural process of fertility that women are beholden to.

The latent purpose of every pop-cultural trend that contributes to the perception that women can realistically exceed the window of their fertility is offered as an assurance that women have more time than would be naturalistically expected to optimize Hypergamy.

Ostensibly, the message for women is the cliché of ‘having it all’ – reassuring women that they can have a rewarding career and make a significant difference in their lives and the lives of others as well as realistically having a meaningful family experience later in life. The unspoken hindbrain message is that a woman has more time to optimize Hypergamy.

I took a lot of criticism for being so presumptuous in that assertion. How dare I suggest that professional women didn’t deserve to be afforded the same opportunities men, who peak in their own SMV well after women’s prime fertility years have passed, had in life, career, and family. The thoroughly modern women of today weren’t forestalling pregnancy because of any personal misgivings or difficulties in attracting Mr. Right, these women needed to freeze their eggs to have more time to develop their careers, don’t you know.

The Real Reason Women are Freezing their Eggs

Turns out, not so much. Actually not at all,…

They are often portrayed as hard-hearted individuals who are putting motherhood on hold in order to climb the career ladder.

But women who freeze their eggs are actually waiting for a man who is perfect father material to come along.

Researcher Kylie Baldwin, who asked a group of women why they froze their eggs, said: ‘I think they were looking for a hands-on father.

‘And it was the absence of this particular type of potential father, not just the absence of any partner, that led them to freeze the eggs.

‘It’s not just about not having the right partner, it’s about having the right dad for their child.’

Interestingly, some of the women were in a relationships – but froze their eggs because they didn’t believe their partner was father material and were hoping someone better would come along.

I should add a side note here and point out the importance these women place having “the right dad for their child.” It’s so important that they’d expect a scientific miracle to give them enough time to find this very important father. However, I’d encourage my readers to compare and contrast this to the complete lack of importance men are expected to place on their own roles as the biological father of a child with regard to raising a child that is not his own. You see, while a woman will freeze her eggs in order to find the perfect hands-on Dad to breed with, men are told that even when a child is not his own he shouldn’t concern himself with his own self-importance in breeding or raising that kid.

This study was an interesting confirmation of the assertions I’d made in Assurances – Women want an assurance of Hypergamous optimization. Egg freezing isn’t about medical concerns or even professional sacrifices; egg freezing is about Hypergamy and women’s increasingly diminished ability to satisfy it later and later in life. In the manosphere and in my book Preventive Medicine there’s an understanding that women’s Party Years, the years she rides the “cock carousel”, are dedicated to the pursuit of Alpha Fucks – her prime directive is generally focused on a short term breeding strategy. Women’s entitlement extends to the point now that they demand science extend this period and assure them they will have ample time to complete their quest for Beta Bucks, motherhood, provisioning and parental investments indefinitely, or at least as long as men might be able to live up to their peak SMV qualifications.

The women were predominately middle-class and highly educated and were aged 38, on average, when they had their eggs frozen.

Mrs Baldwin, a sociologist, said: ‘I asked them about what their motivations were and I would say none of the women underwent the procedure for career reasons.

‘Instead, it was very often down to their perception that it was not yet the right time for them to be pursuing motherhood for one reason or another.’

And, as you might expect, what article about women’s struggle in finding the right guy would be complete without shaming men for their reluctance to participate in playing the roles the Feminine Imperative demands they play in order to fulfill women’s sexual strategies?

The comments about men’s reluctance to commit echo some made by one of Britain’s leading fertility doctors earlier this year.

Professor Adam Balen, chairman of the British Fertility Society, said: ‘There is a notion that young men are not committed to relationships in the way they have been in the past.

‘Childhood for some men is being extended into 20s and 30s when they’re not committing to a relationship.’

Again, it’s childish men’s fault that women have been brought to egg freezing science. This then brings us full circle to NPR’s recent story about economists “puzzlement” over why men are leaving the workforce in droves.

“I wasn’t going to go back to work. It was almost going to just be a nice transition into retirement for me — a very early retirement. I mean, I’m only 36 years old,” he says.

And if he does go back to work, he worries about the prospects.

“Things move really, really, really quick [in IT], and I’m worried that if we can’t make it work, that I’m going to go looking for a job and they’re going to say two years out of it, ‘Sorry, brother, you don’t have what it takes to work here anymore,’ ” Rekkedal says.

Tara Sinclair, chief economist for job-search site Indeed.com, says brawny jobs are being replaced by brainy ones, and that trend doesn’t favor men.

How’s that for an interesting social cycle?

There’s a common refrain you read in both the femosphere as well as religious bloggers about the state of extended adolescence they believe men are extending today. I even wrote about this ridiculous impression of men’s clinging to juvenility in Are You Experienced.

Men forestalling their “adulthood” – a characterization that is entirely dependent on how well a man aligns with women’s imperatives – by dropping out, or otherwise not preparing to be a potential provider for a family a woman deems is at last necessary to her, are considered ‘kidults’ or extending their adolescent years. Professor Adam Balen in the egg freezing article says men are extending “childhood” into their 20s and 30s.

Ironically, you’ll find the most ardent critics of extended adolescence in the writings of Man-up-and-marry-those-sluts religious male bloggers intent on virtue signaling their acceptability to women who will benefit most from their ‘manning up’ and overlooking their Party Years indiscretions.

On the other hand, women wishing to forestall motherhood – a characterization which used to imply a woman’s entrance into adulthood – are never characterized as “extending their childhood.” Women who opt to delay marriage can always fall back on the unacceptability of ‘most men these days’ to excuse their own extension, or they are “focusing on their career.” Women can never be cast in any way other than Strong and Independent®. In fact, this is the first, default presumption we make about a never-married or never-mothered woman.

The Daily Mail article about the truths of women’s reasoning for freezing their eggs puts the lie to this presumption. Women’s latent purpose in egg freezing is to extend fertility until their ideal Alpha man arrives in their lives.

Then, of course the blame become circular on men – men not accepting the role that open Hypergamy expects them to already be aware of and accept wholesale makes him guilty of extending his childhood. Women then blame their spinsterhood on a lack of acceptable ‘adult’ men.

There is never any incentive for personal insight on the part of women, not even when she’s far past her reasonably fertile years, to say nothing of her capacity to intersexually compete with her sisters for those acceptable men. Nowhere is there an afterthought that acceptable men would actively avoid her or find her unacceptable for his own long term investment.

Advancing Gender Dynamics

Finally, we need to add to this the obscene amounts of on-tap social validation women enjoy today. I’m not the first author to recognize or write about this, but there is a very real psychological dynamic that humans in this era have had to deal with which no other previous generations had to consider. Our capacity for technological advancement has progressed so quickly over the past century (and 16 years) that human beings are scarcely capable of understanding what these advancements imply to us as a society and largely as a species.

One reason I believe evolutionary psychology will always have a place in the manosphere and Red Pill discussion is because it aids us in understanding how our minds have evolved and what we can expect from ourselves, or cultures our intersexual dynamics in the context of how we’re experiencing these technological advancements. I had a reader tell me once about how appalled his grandmother was at the idea of a sperm bank when they first appeared. Today it’s part of the scenery, but when they appeared it was scandalous to the mindset of that era’s acculturation. Fast forward from the 1960s to now; in just over half a century think of the tech advancements we have with us today that we take for granted, but our grandparents would marvel over. Now think about how those advancements are interpreted by our hindbrains in so short a time.

Communications technologies, and now a social media explosion, affect our very plastic, yet feral hindbrains in ways that our new globalizing culture can’t keep pace with. I bring this up, because it’s important to consider how women’s feral selves are affected by an instantaneous attention and affirmation that previous generations of women craved, but never dreamed of having this kind of facility with.

As the conversation is won’t to do on this blog’s comment threads, the topic du jour picked up on the merits, or lack thereof, of monogamy vs. legal marriage vs. pLTRs (primary long term relationships or ‘plural’ long term relationships as the term fits). I’ll be addressing this in the next post, but I’ll foreshadow a bit with this; sifting through one of his usually long comments, this bit from YaReally stuck with me (emphasis mine):

“But even if your Game is as tight as YaReally’s, try interesting a modern young chick in commitment. Go ahead. You’ll be in for a shock. A woman in her prime years is so high on a never ending validation train that she’s sure it will never end. Why should she commit? There’s no incentive to do so. She always branch swings to better, and better is always available before she’s even tired of what she’s got.”

You hear them say “I wouldn’t give up my social media for that dream guy”, but you don’t hear why they won’t. The “why” is what we’re up against. They are conditioned to think they will never hit the wall, Amy Schumer at 45 gets the rich doctor in the end, they have endless offers of commitment and monkey branch higher and higher up the tree in their prime.

I have fuckbuddies who’ve disqualified high status guys. and rich jacked 6-pack dudes for like one or two errors. My favorite was one who disqualified a guy because the area of medicine he picked to specialize in wasn’t EXCITING ENOUGH. So she interpreted that as him not having enough ambition. She turned him down for such a silly reason. But why wouldn’t she? She has dates lined up anytime she wants with guys as high value or higher than him around the block whenever she wants. If she takes care of herself the attention train won’t stop till 35+. Why would she want to limit her Hypergamous options by settling in her early 20s?

That’s why those girls look at you funny when you suggest giving up social media. They can’t comprehend any reason TO. It doesn’t compute.

In a globalizing culture where both science and social order is predicated on the satisfaction of women’s imperatives, why indeed would any woman believe she isn’t entitled to it all? Both technology and social reengineering have placed women into a position where their hindbrains cannot hope to interpret the experiences they afford, much less have the attention span necessary for the insight to process how they should best cope with changes they’re scarcely aware of or take for granted.

This post is the first in a series detailing the contrast between how our evolved biological natures conflict and cope with the changes our rapid advancement demands of us, and how our intersexual and social relations are changing as a result of it.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Tom
Tom
8 years ago

@Culum >”Interesting that you think even a whiff of Provider can kill the set – surely it’s not black and white – it’s a spectrum. If they get a whiff of Provider they might test you more or take a bit longer to sleep with you or something?” Many things in seduction occur on a spectrum, but Lover vs. Provider is binary. This is field tested, by many guys in the PUA community, not just by me. This story should give you pause. I have a buddy who works in the entertainment biz, and as such he gets to be… Read more »

Tom
Tom
8 years ago

@Culum, apologies: What got left out of the last post is the fact that when women tag you as a Provider, making you wait for sex is *exactly* what they do. It’s a very expensive proposition too, since they will make the poor Provider do a number provider-style dates before fucking, and that will easily run into several hundred bucks. Getting Providerized in your target’s mind can be very expensive. This is why nexting chicks if you grok that they’ve slotted you as a Provider is probably a good way to manage your dating life. After all, you could hire… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
8 years ago

Tom scribblerg culum On the lover provider thing i would say it is more mindset and interaction in the moment than objective status wealth or power. Just about 100% of the time women put me with money and status. No matter what I am wearing. Just because of my manner. However 90% of my game is SNL pulls and this “money” aura is not an impediment. In fact if I play it down too much it can have a negative effect, because most of the time women are projecting their desires and fantasies out loud, and they want the validation… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
8 years ago

@Sentient – go on! Part 2 sounds like it will be interesting. @HABD – I hadn’t thought of it that way, but yeah. Same reason that I find it hard to go walk up to a set and open (as opposed to opening someone near me at the bar) – because I’m still internalizing the idea that I have enough value to interrupt them. @Tom – point taken. You’re basically saying that even a whiff of Provider can taint the whole offering and get you placed in the Provider category (or tested super hard because you’re not coming across congruent… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
8 years ago

@Culum @HABD – I hadn’t thought of it that way, but yeah. Same reason that I find it hard to go walk up to a set and open (as opposed to opening someone near me at the bar) – because I’m still internalizing the idea that I have enough value to interrupt them. here’s the thing… IF they are ‘out’, they are open to (and WANT) sex… it’s up to the man to initiate (which is at base just the initial shit test…lol) how do you pass a shit test?… A and A… sooo, you just need to approach (agree…)… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
8 years ago

Thanks HABD: 1. Yes, I touched all of them last night – I’m following what Julien says in PIMP for now so I shook hands with all of them and then during conversation on arm, back etc. So that was fine (total compliance from the girl). Voice and EC were also okay. Mostly, I just literally ran out of things to say after a few minutes – I do have a set routine and script but it runs out after 2-3 minutes if I’m not getting much back from the girl. And then I am left in silence and she… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
8 years ago

PS – Also I got tired of having to climb out of that Provider trap every single time (yeah I succeeded quite a few times, but I failed even more times – although sometimes I did get laid through her logical mind even when I failed in making the Lover switch). I was like “Is this overall worth it on a cost/benefit analysis?” and the above point plus my desire to focus on cold approach plus the increased cost in late 2015 of doing sugar site dating (flakes going up from 40-50% to 70-80%, way more girls openly saying on… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
8 years ago

Part 2 So i am now engaged with the three of them and trying to avoid looking much at the 8 and focus on the two older women. Just in a breezy playful manner and plenty of little roll offs squaring to the bar and giving them my profile. MA1 asks why I am in town amd what I do… So you know Bean Farmer comes out and they are laughing at this and start in with the “no you’re not” stuff… I build it up some more and then ask why they dont believe me “look at you” they… Read more »

Tom
Tom
8 years ago

@Culum & Sentient, You’re absolutely right that mindset & interaction are key. This is important: It’s not what your work is, how much money you make, how high prestige you are professinally … It’s whether you use them in a Providerish way. When you appear to a chick to be in any way trying to use your status or money to impress her, that puts you in the Provider box. This is true whether you make $120k in a high-status profession such as a doctor, or whether you make a truly eye-watering income like $1.2M on Wall Street. This is… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
8 years ago

@Tom – thanks. I think that’s a great way of putting it – it’s about how you use it, not what it is. The sugar daddy stuff was tricky because just being on the site put you in the Provider box (and I still climbed out occasionally), but in general I don’t find myself put in the Provider box in real life – I never talk about my job, I just wear jeans and tshirts mostly (they fit well though) unless I’m going out right after work and the only time my work will ever come up is if I’m… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
8 years ago

Culum

Yeah if she was hotter no problem. Plus attraction would have been stronger… But it was very much a FU move, my way or the highway… I can be too arrogant sometimes… No worries.

Tom
Tom
8 years ago

A suggestion @Culum, > “(the married girl on the street from Saturday) asked me from more of a “fantasy” standpoint of wanting to bang a successful guy” If this happens again, could I suggest you go into “Christian Grey” mode. Utter dominance, ZFG, while being cultured & hot. Have been looking into this female fantasy. It seems to me to be rich, untapped vein of seduction gold. I agree with Mark Cunningham & David Shade that guys should learn from female romance & erotic literature, and this is a fantasy that exists in a vast library of female porn from… Read more »

bt
bt
8 years ago

This desire to postpone childbearing is a bad idea for both sexes. The science isn’t conclusive yet, but anecdotally, after almost two decades as a classroom teacher and a marriage to a Special Education teacher, I can tell you that autism seems to correlate to the age of the father in the same way that down’s correlates to the age of the mother. Hypergamy usually dictates that a woman select an older man for a variety of reasons, so women who pick men who are even a day older than they are and then start trying to have kids at… Read more »

Just Saying
Just Saying
8 years ago

Saw in the news that they can now create an “egg” from a type of skin cell – thus removing the need for a woman – at least for the egg part. But you can rent a “surogate” in India so a man can now have a child if he so desires. The fact that men can have children till death means that no man really needs a woman for other than sex, and if they perfect birth-control for men, that will be the coffin-nail for feminism across the board. Women really are only needed these days for sex and… Read more »

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Lisa
Lisa
8 years ago

“Tara Sinclair, chief economist for job-search site Indeed.com, says brawny jobs are being replaced by brainy ones, and that trend doesn’t favor men.” How so? Does Sinclair think men are lacking in “brain”? Do you?

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O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
7 years ago

Razorwire’s “Chronicle of an FI Life Foretold” should be laminated and preserved for posterity.

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