Whenever I use a manosphere acronym I’m always torn between presuming my readers will already know the terminology and need to re-explain a concept that the letters represent to new readers. We use a lot of acronyms and placeholder terms in the ‘sphere. These are necessary, but when you apply needed terms to abstractions and unfamiliar ideas critics will always fill the blanks in for themselves by telling you what you think you mean according to their preconceptions.
Next to the (abstract) terms of ‘Alpha’ and ‘Beta’, SMP and SMV are two of the more contentious placeholders for manosphere concepts. SMP is Sexual Marketplace and SMV is used to represent the relative Sexual Market Value of an individual within that SMP. There’s a lot to consider when when we attempt to define just what that ‘marketplace’ entails, but the point of contention for critics is that by valuating a person based on a perceived market state we dehumanize that individual. For those uninitiated to Red Pill concepts, a complete denial of any sexual marketplace is usually the first retort.
“People are People and everyone is special” or some variation of the nebulous individual’s uniqueness needing to be held as the benchmark for each case of ‘value’ are the common refrains. Even denying an observable, measurable marketplace altogether for fear of being ‘judgemental’ is part of the Red Pill critic’s predictable counter to the idea of a sexual marketplace.
However, the latent purpose of this denial is really a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ tactic that keeps players ignorant of the system they exist in. Just as with the 49th Law of Power, deny the game exists and you can better play it.
As with all Red Pill truths, the awareness of where one fits into the scheme of the SMP, and accepting the sometimes cruel realities of it can be a bucket of cold reality for men (and women). The simple truth is that our capacity to valuate various stimuli in our environment has been a survival-beneficial adaptation for us.
We commodify a lot of our personal lives these days. We simply don’t have a problem accepting the easier aspects of this. ‘Time is money” is quick aphorism we apply to a lot of situation for ourselves. When a woman does the breakdown of all her ‘unpaid’ housework or childcare for an article in Forbes she’s lauded for commodifying and valuating that work. But let a man commodify women based on their general sexual appeal and utility to his sexual strategy and he’s dehumanizing and objectifying women.
If you’re interested in further reading about how we apply market principles to various aspects of our lives I’d suggest the book Life Inc. by Doug Rushkoff. It’s a great read, particularly the ideas about how we view buying a house as an investment rather than a place to live. I bring this up here because it’s a similar dynamic to how women invest themselves with men in the long term and the short term according to Hypergamous necessity. Women’s Hypergamy largely defines the modern sexual marketplace.
The Benefits of Opportunism
Women love opportunistically, men love idealistically. I’ve written several essays about how Hypergamy predisposes (often subconsciously) women to sexual opportunism, and men’s concept of love is rooted in idealism. I won’t belabor summing up these dynamics today, but if you want to review them you can read through the Love series of posts, and male idealism can be found here.
In 2016, the modern dating landscape, as well as contemporary marriage, has become varying degrees of ‘sex work’. I went into this topic a year and a half ago in Commodifying Love. This post was mostly meant to elaborate on another post Dalrock had written observing the utility feminist had with being miserly with love. I sought to explore it a bit further:
As Open Hypergamy becomes more proudly embraced and normalized in society, so too will women’s sexual strategy be laid more bare. And in laying that strategy bare, so too will women’s opportunistic model of love become more apparent to men. This new apparentness is already conflicting with the old-order messaging that kept men hopeful of realizing their idealistic love state.
Women cannot sell Open Hypergamy and the love-conquers-all ethereal ideal love at the same time.
I daresay this quote was a good bit of foreshadowing. One aspect of having a Red Pill lens is that it allows you to see the writing on the wall in so many ways with regard to intersexual dynamics and how they influence societal shifts. When I proposed that men and women’s concepts of love differ, and that much of the disconnect between the sexes is the result of the fact that we don’t share a mutual point of origin for that love, Blue Pill people got upset.
Women’s concept of love originates in an opportunism stemming from a subconscious need to optimize Hypergamy. To this day I still get angry comments from women for having used the word “opportunism”. Naturally, there’s a negative connotation to opportunism, but I use it in this context to describe a function in women’s sexual strategy. I could’ve used the term ‘practical’ or ‘pragmatic’, but often enough what inspires women’s need to optimize Hypergamy is anything but practical or pragmatic.
Everyone needs to realize that men are the “romantics pretending to be realists” and women; vice versa.
This week I received more than a few requests to give my take on the latest trend in women’s sexual opportunism. This comes courtesy of Vanity Fair and their exposé of the Sugar Babies/Sugar Daddies “dating” dynamic that’s become part of The New Prostitution Economy. Have a read of the whole article, but the short version is a breakdown of how women (all in their SMV peak years) look for “arrangements” with generous men eager to fund their lifestyles or (ostensibly) their education goals. In exchange, these men get the privilege of ‘dating’ if not fucking these women who would otherwise be out of whatever league they ascribe themselves to.
I have a real love-hate relationship with articles like this. It’s far too easy to pile on and get wrapped up in the salaciousness and outrage dynamic – which is really what the article is written to prompt. But at the risk of writing an article about how “horrible women are/becoming” I think this trend is really the next logical extension of what I was describing in Commodifying Love a year and a half ago.
Yes, it’s just prostitution by another name. Yes, there is a pop-culture effort to normalize what would otherwise be a manipulative exploitation of men – but who cares, right? If poor Beta saps have the money, it’s only pragmatic that women legitimize the ‘pay-to-play’ model while they can capitalize on it in their prime years, right? And yes, the feminist narrative will simultaneously vilify the men resorting to being a “Sugar Daddy” while applauding the empowered women who play the game as well as they do.
Sarcasm aside, what’s underneath this dynamic is a graphic illustration of just how women’s opportunism looks when the stigma of keeping Hypergamy concealed from men is now brought into the light and proudly embraced in a feminine-centric social order. The social effort to normalize Open Hypergamy takes another step forward when women’s effective prostitution becomes indistinguishable from ‘normal’ dating – that is dating based on common attraction or interest.
The ‘date’-as-investment-opportunity becomes inseparable from women’s opportunistic concept of, and approach towards, love. Commodifying love and sex blurs the line between what is genuine desire and what is motivated interest. The conventional meme is that women have a difficult time separating sex from emotional investment, but the progression of Open Hypergamy – in this case the deliberate feigning of intimate interests on the part of women – puts the lie to this and reveals the true pragmatism with which women will apply their sexuality. Open Hypergamy becomes open prostitution, but this relationship becomes an accepted exchange or transaction the more comfortable women get with revealing the crueler nature of their sexual strategy.
“You can’t tell who the hookers are anymore.”
When we look at women’s opportunistic approach to love, psycho-social dynamics like the War Bride dynamic come into stark contrast next to the Sugar Babies trend – they are both natural extensions of women’s need to optimize Hypergamy and ensure their long term security.
“You can’t tell who the hookers are anymore,” says another guy at the bar, a well-known D.J. in his 30s. “They’re not strippers, they’re not on the corner, there’s no more madam. They look like all the other club girls.”
He tells a story of a young woman he let stay in his hotel room one weekend while he was working in Las Vegas. “She met up with this other girl and all of a sudden they had all these men’s watches and wallets and cash. They wereworking.” He laughs, still amazed at the memory.
“It’s like hooking has just become like this weird, distorted extension of dating,” the D.J. says. “ ‘He took me to dinner. He throws me money for rent’—it’s just become so casual. I think it’s dating apps—when sex is so disposable, if it doesn’t mean anything, then why not get paid for it? But don’t call it prostitution—no, now it’s liberation.”
They all look the same because the commodification of intimacy is the same. Hooking is dating when the only degree of separation is in the comfort women have in the transaction. The necessary compartmentalizing of feelings or emotional investment on the part of women – the ones we’ve been sold for so long as inseparable from their sexuality – are only mitigated by men they perceive as having a higher SMV than those who they view as ‘clients’.
Money isn’t a factor in this equation of SMV; why would it be when provisioning is so easily had via dating clients ready to pay her rent or something else comparable? I’ve dug into this before, but with respect to women’s short-term sexual priorities (the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy) money rarely plays a role in genuine arousal; and even then it’s by order of degree in how necessitous that woman may be – or in this case, how entitled to those resources she has convinced herself she deserves.
The larger social embrace of “Sugaring” is an extension of Open Hypergamy. So not only is there an expectation of capitalizing on a woman’s party years, but that once she’s reached the Epiphany Phase she can be relatively confident that her years of Sugaring will be socially normalized and not factor into her long-term capacity to optimize Hypergamy (see the Sandberg effect). Women’s opportunistic concept of love is informed by Hypergamy, so it feeds into the SMP valuation of her intimate transactions.
And this dynamic isn’t just limited to younger women in their SMV peak years; women in their later phases of maturity have also found how useful apps like Tinder are in getting men to do the manual labor tasks they’d otherwise have to pay for themselves.
Genuine femininity has become so rare in our present social order that it can now be bartered as a luxury experience for men who can afford it. So uncommon is feminine behaviors and demeanor now that men will pay a woman’s bills when they can convincingly act feminine, sweet and appreciative. It’s no surprise that married men account for the majority of Sugar Daddies; they seek what they lack in their marriages – sex, femininity, appreciation, caring, even loving conversation – an escape from wives who feel entitled to their efforts and provisioning with out reciprocation.
Even feigned femininity is better than a nagging loneliness in marriage
Transactions
Acknowledging Hypergamy openly is acknowledging the transactional nature of women’s concept of love. It’s ugly, but as Hypergamy becomes an increasingly normalized a blurring of the line between dating and prostitution becomes more common. As I’ve said before, there will come a point that even the most Blue Pill man will be forced to recognize women’s blatant sexual strategies. As it stands now there is some confusion for these guys, thus, we see men wondering who the hooker is and who the available club girl is because both employ similar methodologies.
As a result men become less able to distinguish genuine desire from transactional role playing by women. Even in marriage transactional role playing has already been normalized and a presumption of a feminine frame of authority pervades most marriages – wives allow a husband to believe he’s in his Frame so long as the transaction is beneficial to what her ego believes is her due (see Briffault’s Law).
Solutions & Caveats
Sometimes it’s not enough to simply say “now you know, and knowing is half the battle”. The other half of the battle is taking actions and precautions to avoid the tar pits and protect oneself. In the future I believe it will be imperative for men not only to understand the nature of women’s sexual strategy, but also what to expect from the results of women’s previous decisions to effect them.
Guys ought to consider that by marrying or engaging in an LTR with former Sugar Babies they will not only deal with an Alpha Widow in terms of her sexual past, but also Sugar Daddy provider widows as well. Imagine the lifestyle switch to a lower socioeconomic status than what her former Daddy provided her with. Even dutiful Betas in Waiting will find their patience tested in competing with the previous lifestyle of a Sugar Baby.
Of course the easiest answer is always to recuse yourself from dating a Sugar Baby, to say nothing about entering an LTR with her, but as I mentioned earlier, hooking will be dating or some crossing of that line in the not so distant future. It’s important to bear this in mind, particularly when the transactional nature of it will run contradictory to the narrative that men are never owed sex for anything. The subcommunication is one of an implied contract, but the indignation will be one of men’s non-selected presumptions that sex is what’s being barter for.
From now and into the foreseeable future men must consider women from a realistic assessment of how their sexual strategies inform their decisions and base their own decisions accordingly. It’s also important to remember that the sexual market place differs in various contexts. Usually this context is reflective of the culture or social group engaging in, and reinforcing it. Women sexual opportunism doesn’t change, only how it’s expressed in a social context. Not all women are ‘Sugaring’, however the motives that allow for a normalization of it exist in all women – even the sweet nice ones who want to make a good impression on you.
It’s not impossible to engender a genuine desire in a woman. If that weren’t the case I wouldn’t be writing, but it’s important to be aware of how Hypergamy will evolved social dynamics to better facilitate its optimization. This can be a very damaging influence on both women and the men who attempt to navigate a sexual marketplace founded on unchecked Hypergamy.
Big Wednesday.
Holy shit. A young Garry Bussy and Jan Michael Vincent. Jan Michael Vincent was a good looking young man (no homo). That is what a male 10 looks like. He made a lot of movies in the mid 70s to mid 80s. But he didn’t age well. I think he fucked up his life with drugs. I was young for those movies but I remember them well.
Gb Hill
Can you imagine what that set was like with both those wildmen on it? Lol…
Ps… Busey and JMV are both 33 in this movie and spent no time in gyms…
Watch what you eat…
(Culum…)
@redlight lmao “nice try but no” “Finally, and perhaps most tellingly, Joe seeks a sense of control and power through sex” The movies are about her taking bigger shots of the drug that makes feel. WRONG. she is addicted to power. the height of her power is when she is….YOUNG AND HOT. her power wanes when she a) falls in love with a man and b) gets OLDER. that’s it, that’s all. the END is to show the reversal — Jerome, older and experienced, has become powerful as a man, and the young thing she was seeing, also occupies the… Read more »
@redlight
Back to the second movie, she goes to the sadist to try escape the emotional and physical numbness, she wants to feel, and has to go to extremes. She has no feelings for her young child, who she leaves alone to see the sadist.
she is addicted to power and a woman with a man in a family is powerless. her submission to Jerome robs her of what she enjoys and is addicted to.
and no, she does have feelings for her child. fuark did you even watch the movie?
@gb_hill
if you are good at rating guys then rate the guys on Fifth Harmony’s two latest videos, for the songs “Work From Home” and “All in my Head (Flex)”
guess what teenage daughters are watching?
@man
“Question: To your way of thinking – why this female numbness?”
It’s not gender specific (the man for the win) and caused either by trauma or they are wired that way (is the fictional Dexter caused by trauma or just how he is?)
@scary “and no, she does have feelings for her child. fuark did you even watch the movie?” these are SPOILERS below after this post I’m out on this subject and feel free to continue http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2382009/synopsis?ref_=m_tt_stry_pl She looks at the light fixture overhead and when the baby is pulled out of her, she thinks she sees the baby laughing demonically at her. Seligman points out that Noah’s son Ham was laughing when he was born and this is another Satanic omen. Joe names her son Marcel after Mars, the Roman god of war. Seligman asks if maternal love lived up to… Read more »
@redlight
lol
she supports the child with 1,000 pounds a month (remember, the movie is set a number of years before the present) and it doesn’t seem like she has many marketable skills, so it’s a pretty big piece of her income.
you’re confusing her seflishness with indifference.
@ SJF ” Blax, one of the things I learned from reading Harari’s “Sapiens” book is confirmed by our knowledge in the manosphere and YaReally’s field observations. It is the fact that changes in the society that occurred in the last 30 years are happening at breakneck speed. And changes will continue at breakneck speed. ” ** Yeah, breakneck alright. I wish I could find the handbrake and pull it with all of my might. The changes of the last 3 decades have been, in the majority, negative for society. I used to think that much of the craziness could… Read more »
@redlight Jan Michael Vincent was better looking than the steroid jacked dudes in that video. Vincent when he was young had the type of male beauty (no homo) where he was prettier than hot girls. A young Mark Hamill, a young Rob Lowe, a young John Derick and a young Jan Vincent all had that look. The problem with it is that often times pretty boys like that don’t age well. They never become manly. Hamill suffered from that but then again he did have a bad car accident and plastic surgery. But some men are so pretty (again no… Read more »
My now-17-but-passes-for-23 son is better looking than any of those movie stars. Young women turn red in the face and start *panting* when they are caught by surprise by him.
6′-2″ by the time he was 16. 35 (out of 36) on the ACT with no test prep.
Q: We all no that beauty is only skin deep, but *why* is beauty only skin deep?
A: Because beauty just does not *need* to be any deeper than that!
@gb_hill
only the first video does the steroid guys, the second video does guys with “the look”
@gb
But some men are so pretty (again no homo) when they are in that range of 18 – 27 ish that they are just prettier than women who are 9s and 10s.
sorry mang, i’ve never observed this phenomenon as you’ve observed it.
This girl I was banging for a while told me that guys would pay her to let them cuddle with her in her underwear.
Cuddle! Jesus.
Pretty guys?????
Guys prettier than women who are 9’s and 10’s???
Wiataminute… did I stumble into the wrong site???
Lol. Well, I can say that this is the oddest thing I have heard in a while.
… from a *straight* guy that is.
….oooohhhhh shit. Lmao.
…. lol
I see what I assume is a ” handsome ” man. I don’t see ” pretty “. I only say a guy is pretty if I’m trying to insult him. Lol….
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/celebs/images2/J/janmichaelvincent.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/06/1415301904429_wps_9_EXCLUSIVE_Airwolf_star_Ja.jpg
Young pups!!!! Strike while the iron is hot, or work like a sumbitch to keep your iron hot.
Oh, and watch the alcohol.
Blax out.
Not just Vincent, that 70’s surfer movie had Gary Busey in it, too. Watch the alcohol, avoid the opiates and the meth, etc. Alcohol is to aging as gasoline is to fire… Basically, learn to get dopamine hits from non chemical sources. YaReally, Blaximus: yer both right. One of the perturbing things I see when I’m around millennial men, especially those under 25, is how passive they seem. Some of these men sound and look gay at first. Doesn’t bother me, I’ll talk to anyone – even intense nerd-girl computer types, heh – but it’s reallly weird to sit and… Read more »
@Blaximus “SJF, you know, I never really thought of much in life as being hard. ” things ” all came with a cost, nothing was ever free…except shady shit that would come back to bite you, lol.” We’re on the same page here Blax. But an important learning point is that it is internal mindset is very, very important in red pill awareness and game. You are just clearly humble bragging. And that is not a fault. It is proper masculine mindset since you ain’t dead or defeated yet. You are full of shit if you were to state that… Read more »
@ Anon Reader ” YaReally, Blaximus: yer both right. One of the perturbing things I see when I’m around millennial men, especially those under 25, is how passive they seem. Some of these men sound and look gay at first. Doesn’t bother me, I’ll talk to anyone – even intense nerd-girl computer types, heh – but it’s reallly weird to sit and listen to what I thought was 3 gay guys who turn out to be straight but just wimpy beyond belief. ” I notice this also, every day. Getting pervasive. I’ve given it a little thought and the only… Read more »
Blaximus
July 14th, 2016 at 1:02 pm
Old saying: “What do you get when you don’t get what you want? Experience.”
I’m not too shocked at that 2nd photo of JMV. I knew a guy like that in high school who made the girls swoon and pulled way more pussy than anyone else, but also consumed copious quantities of alcohol, pot and junk food in addition to a pack a day cigarette habit. I would not be surprised if he did coke too. Classic bad boy … I sure wish I had understood red pill then. When he was around 28, iirc, he had to check himself into a 30 day detox program as a condition of seeing his kids after… Read more »
corypheus July 14th, 2016 at 3:07 pm “Sleep naked with me. I like the feeling. No sex.” Was a closing line I used often. By that stage it nearly always worked. And No sex. About 3/4s came back gagging for it. Why? The LTR (I used it on her) explained, “Is he gay? Is there something wrong with me?” The last part of course was key. And the other 1/4? Well I got to sleep naked with them. BTW at that point, if you could read the girls, almost all of them expected it would turn into sex. They were… Read more »
@M Simon
Randy Pausch had quite a few, lots of, other good quotes:
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Randy_Pausch
Sorry mang, i’ve never observed this phenomenon as you’ve observed it.
I’m an observer of female nature. I watch who they fuck. As with everything there are patterns in nature. And there are patterns for male looks. Some men have a “prettiness” to them that is a major attractor.
Think of what Mystery was going for with the dandy look. If you read his archives you see he was partially trying to imitate Johny Depp, another of those pretty boys.
But whatever, call me gay. I don’t give a shit.
Speaking of doctors, the doctors around my age tell me it’s definitely not a license to print money anymore. It’s not uncommon to come out of medical school with over $250k in student loan debt so they’re behind that eight ball right off the bat and they don’t make enough money in their residency to pay it down quickly. The average doctor doesn’t start to make good money until they’re past 30, then they got that loan debt to kill. They also make good targets for enterprising women looking for that landing strip to get her beta bucks. Hence my… Read more »
@theasdgamer “What impact is Sarkeesian’s series going to have? It’s very obvious propaganda.” To us. But take a tour around the rabbit hole of our current college campus culture, SJW shit, Feminism shit, BLM, etc these days and see how much influence “obvious propaganda” still has, and that’s on adult-aged intelligent people who can seek out counter-opinions etc VS programming little children who are being babysat by the TV. @Sentient “Why do you not believe that “social conditioning” will work on kids on one hand and then call out the very same social conditioning that you agree did work on… Read more »
SJF
July 14th, 2016 at 6:39 pm
Thanks for the link. This quote particularly struck me.
“Having been selected to be an author in the World Book, I now believe that Wikipedia is a perfectly fine source for your information, because I know what the quality control is for real encyclopedias — they let me in.”
I knew a girl who wrote for Encyclopedia Britannica. Same thing. I read a few of her bits where I knew something. Not particularly good.
YaReally
July 14th, 2016 at 6:57 pm
You might find this of interest:
The Misandry Bubble
http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html
and this update:
http://www.singularity2050.com/2016/05/changes.html
@ Random Angeleno A guy has to go into debt and incur women with wide eyes wide open. If I can recall correctly the max total debt I incurred after an elite college and a good (state subsidized) med school was $20K. And I recall it wasn’t no big deal to pay that off. $250K, gods forbid, leads to some awfully sexually frustrated sexual strategies. Might as well put their penis in a vice grip. A woman hooking up with those guys will never get what they want or deserve. And guaranteed the doctor in that grip will never understand… Read more »
@ YaReally ” lol, I mean, I would love this if it happened. But anyone who thinks “Feminism” is going to be defeated anytime soon…like, it’s literally linked to “freedom for women”. The ONLY way to fight it would be those women deciding to go against it, which is happening (the Shoe0nHead Lauren Southern etc types), but on an incredibly small scale and those girls will hit the wall in 10 years just like Jennifer Anniston where Feminism suddenly seems like a really good idea.” Omg this. The other day a friend of the wife asked me for my position… Read more »
YaReally July 14th, 2016 at 6:57 pm I completely expected game to get harder as I got older, but men have been so pussified that just having any kind of masculine energy separates you from the boys in their peer groups. I expect to be able to bang <25yo poon for a loooong time 'cause like I say, it's not going to get BETTER. 80/20 to 90/10. Yep. I’m 71 and had a 25 yo stalking me for a few hour with the LTR present and obvious. Too funny. Keeps the LTR on her toes because I remind her that… Read more »
“I knew a girl who wrote for Encyclopedia Britannica. Same thing. I read a few of her bits where I knew something. Not particularly good.” I was living in a place with an 11th Edition (1910) of the Britannica. I like reading old encyclopedias to contrast them with more recent ones. I also like to look up technical articles that I know something about to get a rough gauge of the general quality of the edition – so I looked up electromagnetic wave propagation. The article was written by some guy named James Clerk Maxwell. I guess standards are falling… Read more »
kfg
July 14th, 2016 at 7:29 pm
The article was written by some guy named James Clerk Maxwell.
I guess standards are falling all over.
LMAO. Thanks!
@yareally, scary I just watched the trailers but goddamn why do they always have to use such ugly chicks as the main characters of these “girl going on a crazy sexual adventure” movies. I can’t subject myself to hours of watching this chick suck face lol Trailers nowadays reveal the whole plot, so you’re done. If a scene is shot very sexually it engages the audience on an animal level. To keep the audience thinking, if there is a lot of sex, the actress can’t be fairly attractive, and the scenes can’t be shot using porn angles. HBO and other… Read more »
@ya
I just watched the trailers but goddamn why do they always have to use such ugly chicks as the main characters of these “girl going on a crazy sexual adventure” movies. I can’t subject myself to hours of watching this chick suck face lol
this chick plays -young- joe…
and in the movie, because it’s set (in the early parts) in the late 70s early 80s…there’s that sort of aesthetic….
lol….but she AGES into Charlotte “Hard-living” Gainsbourg….
@Sentient – coincidentally, just in the last day or two: 1. My old aunt took my arm to cross the street and commented that I must have started working out. Lol. It’s not really visible but you can feel more muscle on the arms and legs. 2. I had another injury/muscle strain when lifting something without engaging my core and spent an hour with the physiotherapist followed by an hour with a heat pack on my back. Still hurts today but hoping to be back in the gym in a couple days – all superficial. So going pretty well I… Read more »
@YaReally, Blaximus etc: I know a guy at work (not a friend, more an acquaintance) who is sort of proto-redpill I guess. I know he reads Red Pill stuff on Reddit (I saw it once on his screen in the office but I don’t really know him well enough to bring it up). Anyway I’ve seen him around and also seen him with his wife and kids in a social setting at company social events. To my eyes he’s not a total beta and has at least some frame but it’s a constant frame battle with the wife (especially if… Read more »
SJF, $20K back in the early 80’s is probably about like $200K now, thanks to depreciation of the currency. Think of it in terms of high end cars, or maybe starter houses – couldn’t you buy a house for $20K when you were in med school, or maybe $25K? Houses now in a lot of markets are in the $200K range, right? Don’t get all “in my day, when a cigar cost 5 cents” on us. Think in terms of property / goods / services. The real reason medicine isn’t what it once was, of course, is Clinton mandated that… Read more »
Anonymous Reader
July 14th, 2016 at 9:24 pm
Did you say deflation? Here is a long read (for the ‘net) but very good.
http://atom.singularity2050.com/4-the-overlooked-economics-of-technology.html
In fact the whole series is quite good. Try this one on government:
http://atom.singularity2050.com/6-current-government-policy-will-soon-be-ineffective.html
@Blaximus
How much would you hate me if all I remembered Jan Michael Vincent from was Airwolf?
I loved that show when I was a kid.
@scray They’re both so ugly to me that I legitimately didn’t even realize they were two separate women, I thought it was just that the second movie was filmed a few years later with the same actress lol WNB @Culum Struan “But the point being, it’s not just a question of applying male influences – it’s also handling the counter-influences” That’s my point with Blaximus and why it’s different than now for most men. Not only is the good programming removed but endless 24/7 bad programming from all angles is being bombarded into their heads from an early age. How… Read more »
@AR
Assuming a 141.2% inflation rate from 1983 to 2016, $20K would turn into a value of $48,240.16.
Your house costs are way off and fictional.
I actually lived at home for free due to my nice parents and paid $5,700 a year tuition for med school.
Cardiothoracic surgeons have a dedicated mindset toward psychopathy (with good reason) so it is hard to recruit females to that specialty.
Oh btw Sentient – I recently read that Kelly Slater has invented the first large scale/realistic artificial wave machine in a lake in California.
If you’re still surfing, you should check it out..
Morning all, I just saw this news report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-36775398 From the start of the article: “Harassment of women is to be recorded as a hate crime in a bid to tackle sexist abuse. Nottinghamshire Police said it would expand its categories to include misogynistic incidents.” When I saw this, I thought this is something that is massively open to abuse. There’s also a video report associated with it, and as I expected all the warning signs are there, in that a female bar attendant was interviewed and her exact words are: “I work in a bar so I’ve always got… Read more »
…continued…
Note, the bar worker interviewed and the chief police officer implementing this (Sue Fish is the police officer’s name) are not particularly attractive.
@SJF – Great post re the diabetes. Didn’t know you had it, but a fantastic example of being “solutions oriented” instead of “problem oriented”. Kind of like how Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) writes about how he eats whatever he wants in any quantity because he’s trained himself to only want healthy stuff. And he’s just posted a picture of his six-pack on his blog – aged 59. @Blaximus – Yeah, one thing I noticed – even in myself until I consciously stopped doing it in the last couple of years post Red Pill – I never used to self-identify… Read more »
@redlight
“I was going to write what it was like to run pure alpha, but it reads ufb.”
I think with the crew on here, you would be throwing your pearls before swine.
But I would love to read what you have to say. It’ll be UFB to most, but not me. And perhaps one or two guys will read it down the road and get inspired to reach for the stars . . .
@yareally “I actually think it’s funny how we’ve come full-circle back to a culture where MM is probably the best method for gaming ” I read this last year and sort of thought it was quaint and dated but I’ve picked it up again this week after reading your comments, which have given me enough background and understanding that large parts of what he was saying are making sense and sticking to my neurons. Still stuck on the A2 A3 transition and what actually A3 is in a real life situation though. For example, in the context of a tinder… Read more »
Rollo,
Thanks for the book recommendation. I’m familiar with Robert Greens books and A Billion Wicked Thoughts through TRM and I’d be interested in other books that have influenced you. Game and non game related.
Thanks
This sugar-daddy/sugar-baby phenomenon has been standard procedure for generations in developing countries in Africa and Asia. Partly a function of economic necessity in countries where the only safety net is the support of an extended family, partly due to female greed, it can also be seen as an extension of polygamy which was inherent in many societies prior to the advent of Christianity and Islam (which of course permits polygamy).
@gb_hill
But still, it would have been nice to walk around with a higher looks SMV than *any* girl you would meet during your youth. That’s like you have A2 with almost every chick. All you have to do after that is just be normal…
A girl might want to bang a guy who’s prettier than she is (even this is questionable), but a girl doesn’t want arm candy who outshines her.
@YaReally
@theasdgamer
“What impact is Sarkeesian’s series going to have? It’s very obvious propaganda.”
To us.
Hopefully also to parents. Wasn’t Sarkeesian damaged by Gamergate? Didn’t even Colbert do a takedown of Sarkeesian? So how much cred does she have? How influential is her shit going to be? Who else is pushing to make boys wear dresses?
@YaReally
And like I say, technology HELPS women have access to higher value men
for beta bux, sure…alphas aren’t on Tinder, tho…so the pattern will be that high SMV women will use new tech, then alphas will follow, then low SMV women and betas will follow and high SMV women will leave and then alphas will leave
each new cycle of technology will have a brief impact on high SMV women and alphas
Finally something on topic: I see a lot of “sugar daddy wanted” on tinder. I engage them frequently to game them (I can’t really afford this ‘option’) and after some patient prodding/game they seem to drop the SB part and are ready to offer up for free for a kindly non-judgmental old guy. One in particular was a 19yo that just seemed to be riding the CC and maybe thought of picking up some extra dollar with little effort. She had a ‘main’ guy her age but was still playing the field. I can just imagine this generation of damaged… Read more »
It’s all about the DELAY of compensation actually. A wise older guy who plays this game was talking to me recently. He said a Hooker you pay hourly. A Sugar Baby you pay monthly. A Wife who divorces you, you pay every 7-10 years. the only monetary difference is the delay in payment. But like the amount of money. The quality of the lady goes up with the DELAY in her payment. Sugar Babies fill the gap between marriage and Casual relationships where long term relationship is not really advantageous to both sides unless there is support/compensation. In essence a… Read more »
“Who else is pushing to make boys wear dresses?”
http://www.thefashionisto.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/JPG14.jpg
Interesting…women have their “Manservants”: http://uk.businessinsider.com/manservants-review-2015-8 Rollo, your talk about female solipism is evident in this issue, talking about the future and making it more palatable for women, AS IF HASN’T already been! https://miscmagazine.com/app/uploads/2016/06/The-Future-According-to-Women-final.pdf Page 37 of that PDF is a hoot, with this priceless quote: “When industries are redesigned for women, we’ll find more initiatives “for good.” As a trend, we’re seeing the rise of the single, independent woman. Marrying later in life means she has more time to figure out what she wants – and we will be demanding a higher standard of men before commitment. Men being caring,… Read more »
Tech/Gaming Journalist wants “nerds” to go back to being scared and reclusive, because someone spoke to her about Pokemon Go
http://imgur.com/gallery/vNPRY4a
@Rollo Save me from mod again plz! @DisgruntledEarthling “Still stuck on the A2 A3 transition and what actually A3 is in a real life situation though.” A2 = her giving you ioi’s (Female to Male interest) A3 = you giving her a statement of interest (basically a very clear ioi showing interest in her, Male to Female interest) But to go FROM A2 to A3, you want to QUALIFY her, otherwise it looks like you give your interest to ANY girl who gives you interest and she assumes it must just be because of her looks which doesn’t make her… Read more »
@YaReally: LOL at that Tyler golf picture. It is funny because we know the guy isn’t actually misogynistic. And the beard. And shoes (his and hers). Amazing picture. On more serious issues, about the “hate crime” laws just for approaching… This is a concern to me (and presumably to other guys which would like to improve their game). Because if you are above a certain threshold you are mostly safe, but if you are below it and want to improve, how can you safely practice? I think guys like me and Hank are already a bit above the safety threshold,… Read more »
@red side
That’s a tech/gaming journalist? Yikes. I bet she’s fun at parties.
@tom
“But I would love to read what you have to say. It’ll be UFB to most, but not me. And perhaps one or two guys will read it down the road and get inspired to reach for the stars . . .”
I’ll do a piece on pure alpha at work this weekend and post it in the latest Rollo thread at the time
“That’s a tech/gaming journalist?”
What gamergate illuminated was that gaming “journalism” has been almost entirely taken over by upper middle class SJWs whose ultimate goal is actually to destroy the gaming industry, because it’s patriarchal, capitalist and hence misogynist.
They only attack (dum dum DUUUUUUM) misogyny in public because that is publicly politically correct, but it’s a trojan horse for the whole neo-Marxist package.
@yareally
“This is the key normal guys miss that makes them look low-value, they’re running around NOT doing A1 (because they may HAVE value but don’t know how to DEMONSTRATE it well (DHV, A1)), so they don’t get much A2 (her interest in them), and they have NO IDEA what the fuck qualifying is (“you want me to play hard to get when a girl is showing ANY sign of interest in me?? Are you CRAZY?!?!?”), so they just go right for seeking rapport/comfort and come off extremely low value to the girl.”
I love you man (no homo)
@kfg
Yeah… It’s politically incorrect these days to have a penis. I don’t know. I’m optimistic that this will turn soon. Best case scenario for the FI is provisioning without sex, and we’re heading there FAST. The problem with that is the instant that provisioning without sex becomes socially normalized is the exact instant that the FI fails… because the illusion is shattered. At that point the red pill will be forced upon society as a whole. It won’t be pretty for a while…
@kfg >You note that you wouldn’t go on a cruise again, but you don’t say why. There are several reasons. First, sometimes it was a little bit boring, sure I socialized with some people but most interactions were short, so I was mostly by myself. The other thing that I noticed is that most people go in couples or in groups, so it made me self-aware how lonely I was, and I felt like crap sometimes. Looking back to it, I’m a little bit surprised that I went to a cruise alone, very few people go alone in cruise ships.… Read more »
If we break down * sex * as strictly penis in vagina, then prostitution solves that particular problem. Satisfaction will be had, but limited due to lack of genuine desire on the part of the pro. Sometimes men need just the basic act for a variety of reasons. But desire is the fuel driving sex with a deeper meaning and a higher level of satisfaction. Lol. I don’t want to run my tongue slowly up the spine of a chick that has a meter running and is getting nothing out of it. I could just do it for my own… Read more »
SJF Assuming a 141.2% inflation rate from 1983 to 2016, $20K would turn into a value of $48,240.16. Why assume that rate? Source? Anyway, you seem lost in the forest wondering where the trees are. I don’t want to quibble, I’m pointing out that “med skool” is worth a certain amount of goods / services / resources, and that the actual numbers can be misleading. $250K is probably about right, something on the order of $60K to $62K per year being the going rate at one med school I’m aware of, and there’s definitely a waiting list. So while you’re… Read more »
Yowza… the “fear” is strong on the board lately… and unwarranted. examine a few things… Because Blaximus didn’t have 24/7 FI-counter-conditioning shoved in his face and his masculine influences were allowed to be masculine influences and interact and condition him outside of just his dad. Blaximus probably had male teachers, his male friends were probably allowed to be masculine, women probably weren’t pushing a narrative on him the way they are now, etc etc Times change. You can still provide the same amount of influence Blaximus’ dad would have, but EVERYTHING ELSE is running against you once they’re old enough… Read more »
Great example of “Let’s you & him fight”. Pretty sure in the original clip there was an allegation of “oh dude that’s domestic violence right there!” from a guy – possibly the other dude – when Ronnie pushes his girl away from him after telling her to stop antagonizing the other couple. Bill Burr’s commentary is golden, shitting all over the instinctive attention-whoring shedding of responsibility by both girls.
@YaReally
you’ll see jacked rich dudes taking home uggos if they can if it’s between that or going home alone lol
my dick would abandon me if I fucked an uggo…
@YaReally Ya but I don’t know what your point is. There’s a window where high SMV women have access to high SMV alphas. So like I said, technology HELPS women have access to higher value men. There’s a short-term window where high SMV women have access to high SMV alphas. Technology helps low-SMV women have some access to higher value men. Technology helps low-SMV women get attention from men, generally. Here’s my point. MM works on cold approach even when new technology comes out, so why should I learn new technology to get laid? I’ve discovered that I enjoy being… Read more »
http://www.japagirl.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/limelight-club-kids.jpg In the late 1980’s the “club kids” got a lot of notoriety, because they were publicity hounds… and papers needed to sell ads and such… and if you went to The Tunnel or The Palladium or other big dance clubs and listened to the emerging house music (which I always disliked…) scene you would see them… and imitators… I would get dragged by girls from time to time to these places… One time was gay night… LOL that was funny as hell. But if you went to punk or metal places in the village you wouldn’t see them… and… Read more »
Andy Best case scenario for the FI is provisioning without sex, and we’re heading there FAST. Huh? The Sugar Babies are there right now; it’s AF-BB all the way. The problem with that is the instant that provisioning without sex becomes socially normalized is the exact instant that the FI fails… because the illusion is shattered. How is the illusion shattered? * Criminalize any clumsy approach by a man * Institutionalize Sugar Baby / camgirls [*] * Add VR porn for ordinary men Voila! The majority of men are forbidden to approach women IRL, but can always pay and pay… Read more »
@ Anonymous Reader Mea Culpa. I actually did miss your larger point. It is well taken. I wholeheartedly endorse your point that women doctors and high expenses both will/has degenerate(d) the medical profession. While female doctors can operated in a masculine fashion (thinking wise) my experience has been that they are still programmed by their biology to think in a solipsistic fashion. This leads both women doctors and those men that have high debt to think more about their own interests when dealing with an individual patient than what real physicians do: Do what is in the best interests of… Read more »
Junior
There you have it… excellent clip. feminism – shit test – failed shit test – requiring ever greater shit testing…
If we would only pass ONE… all the dominoes will fall…
Make it your goal today to push back and pass ONE shit test…
One by one, house by house… Re-patriarchy in action…
@Sentient “So everything was running against all of us as well” lol sure thing. I guess I didn’t realize you had smartphones in your pocket back then, you should’ve told Steve Jobs and Zuckerberg they were wasting their time, you already had live streaming social media 24/7 in your pockets. I was under the impression that Blaximus had tough older male influences in his life but apparently he had a bunch of sissies raising him like boys today. So is this UK article about it being illegal to talk to women just a reprint article from 1960 where it was… Read more »
I’ll agree with you here Yareally… reading comprehension has sure fallen off it appears…
“Huh? The Sugar Babies are there right now; it’s AF-BB all the way.”
@AR
I doubt MOST of them are like that and it isn’t socially normalized. Yet.
“How is the illusion shattered?”
The illusion is that BB = sex. When it’s normalized that BB != sex then BB will die off as a sexual strategy. I mean, that’s why most of us are here. We just figured it out early.
There are still too many of them BB boys chomping at the bit in their teeth and not having the awareness they can and should toss that bit aside. Got a ways to go before we get to the normalized view that BB != sex.
Actual SB’s are still a fraction of the total population of age-eligible women out there, they’re just more visible. Don’t allow that to blot out the whole picture.
@Sentient I’mma just leave this here: http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/07/13/8th-grader-royce-mann-white-privilege-poem-intv.hln Stick through the cringey poem for the interview part at 55 seconds in where he explains how he’s such a woke bae thanks to the education system that taught him to be ashamed of himself for existing so he can simultaneously shame other men and spread the wokeness to all the baes. The reward? CNN appearance and pats on the back from all of society including women. They won’t fuck him but they’ll string him along till they hit the wall. And he’ll be happy with that because he’s already an excellent little… Read more »
Sexless marriages are such a trope that Betas have long since accepted getting married and having kids is normal. It’s all over the media. How much more normalized does it already have to be for you to not consider it normalized?
What’s not normalized yet is that men shouldn’t put up with that shit.
Fixed that for me. Derp.
“Sexless marriages are such a trope that Betas have long since accepted getting married and having kids is normal. It’s all over the media. How much more normalized does it already have to be for you to not consider it normalized?” I think that is just the beginning… It’ll just be more and more normalized until it gets to the point where it will just be blatantly undeniable that BB != sex. At some point it’s going to be obvious to that little kid that sending money to the youtube chick that it will never result in love. I don’t… Read more »
Technology helps women have access to higher value men.
Only when it first comes out, generally. You agreed that alphas left Tinder. So you need to be careful with distribution logic. Your statement doesn’t work as a blanket statement–only for certain windows.
It seems to me that we ought not use game to reinforce women’s sense of entitlement…which means that when they act bratty, we ought not say that their acting bratty somehow gives them value in our eyes.
You can disparage brattiness to the girl’s friends…”who brought their bratty little sister?” Don’t do it with a butthurt vibe and it should work fine when gaming bratty girls.
@ YaReally @ Sentient ” Because Blaximus didn’t have 24/7 FI-counter-conditioning shoved in his face and his masculine influences were allowed to be masculine influences and interact and condition him outside of just his dad. Blaximus probably had male teachers, his male friends were probably allowed to be masculine, women probably weren’t pushing a narrative on him the way they are now, etc etc Times change. You can still provide the same amount of influence Blaximus’ dad would have, but EVERYTHING ELSE is running against you once they’re old enough to start making their own decisions and leave your direct… Read more »
OK a little synthesis… Some historical context circa 1970 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4BWtZi0Cg2o/VlcS3_X77DI/AAAAAAAAIJk/0AKxF4IHk5o/s640/%2BWomen%2BWho%2BChanged%2BHistory%2BForever%2B%252835%2529.jpg This shit was going on all over the country…for a decade or more… and what do we spy in this here…. Yup there he is! Is that the Ur-Virtue Signaler? The first male who thought the way to drop panties was to take up women’s causes? Nah… That cat is probably circa 1915 http://www.thewomensroomblog.com/images/6a0105356c398f970c0133ed4b470b970b-800wi.jpg Maybe this Rooney character on the sign…? So the emo faggot boy seeking his mother’s love via CNN… that type has been around for as long as these issues have been around… atthe end of the… Read more »
On a positive note, the CNN kids has a strong manspread going on … hope for him yet.
Re that emo kid
http://images.wisconsinhistory.org/700099990659/9999010096-l.jpg
Children as useful dupes of their krazy krunchy equalist parents has also been going on forever… and then they rebel against it…
“That cat is probably circa 1915”
Frederick Douglas was invited to speak at the first Women’s Rights Conference in Seneca Falls, in 1848.
His speech can be paraphrased as, “Men should sit down, shut up, listen and believe.”
Last one…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVHTpiIv7W4
watch this… [big] boys being [big] boys… bravery, skill, fear, pain, laughter and camaraderie… all in 3 minutes… LOL
@ Culum ” @Blaximus – Yeah, one thing I noticed – even in myself until I consciously stopped doing it in the last couple of years post Red Pill – I never used to self-identify as a man. As in I knew I was a man obviously, but it was always “I’m a guy”. “Going out with the guys” or whatever. The immediate label wasn’t that I’m a “man” you know?” Always be proud to be a man. Nothing wrong with stating that. Imo, it holds a certain descriptor, ” Man “. ” why yes, I am a man, with… Read more »
Pure Alpha at Work Since this will read like a combination of firstworldproblem and utter horseshit, feel free to scroll right on by. You can skip answering the questions or cherry pick what you answer, and you can ask me any questions. For questions that are answered, I will reply with what I actually did. It’s all true, and I’m picking “at work” as it raises some questions. At the time I’m mid 30s, married, kids, active, church, part of the time I have a mistress. Work involves making shit happen, I lead elite teams and/or business sections, and I’m… Read more »
@ Sentient My brother, I understand and agree with the spirit of what you’re saying – “YOU were advised by YOUR parents and YOUR circle to avoid this shit… Which makes my point that YOU can fight back the encroachments within YOUR environment – ” what are you doing, what are your friends doing, what are your kid’s friends doing and what are your kids friend’s parents doing? – This is far stronger than popular culture. Doesn’t mean it is easy though.” ** Individuals can fight back absolutely. Honestly, if you look at my social circle(s) and friends and family,… Read more »
I’m dying to read some replies to redlight’s Alpha at Work.
My general response is ” don’t ” at work.
But that’s me. What do y’all think/say?
@redlight – not to go all Blax/Sentient on you, but you should do (or should have done) whatever you wanted to do. Yeah you had a bunch of IOIs and outright come-ons from all those women. Yeah could have banged them. It’s a nice ego boost either way. Should you have banged them? Only you can decide that..
I’ve seen a lot of posts by folks wishing for a red pill reality, or some societal reversal in the female imperative. You get that if you are alpha/red pill aware the current environment is favorable right? Pussy is a zero sum game. The more betas there are the better for alphas. Yes, younger chicks are off the charts with their entitlement, princess complex, overt hypergamy, but younger dudes are off the charts with their beta ways. From my experience, having game has an even greater effect on younger girls, despite their programming, because they are swarmed by betas and… Read more »
@redlight Sounds like you are at the management level (or at least mid-manager) in which case I’d strongly advise that you not fuck chicks at work. It never ends well, even if you have insane game. Work is a different animal (politics, laws, HR, perception etc etc), and for my money, I’ve always chosen not to do it (except when I was junior, post college and fucking a co-worker of equal rank). I’ve had female bosses want the D, and recently a 23 yr old HB9 (who was on my team) basically try to seduce me at a client party… Read more »
@alchemist is right of course. And YaReally makes the same point endlessly. It’s not worth it.
But ultimately – you need to decide what you want to do. Vast numbers of people DO bang chicks at work and marry them and so on. It’s the most important part of social life for most Americans.