Never Take a Woman Fishing

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(h/t to Zelscorpion for the image and ref for today’s post)

Hi Rollo,
On rereading Truth to Power a very inspirational post, I wanted to hear your thoughts on men with families such as my self choosing to travel on vacation alone.

In your videos above you touched on masculine qualities men being in the driver seat around decision making. I have a wife you as with many women is cultured to try assume headship of the household with decision making even vacations etc.

She doesn’t want to travel abroad as we have a 7 month old son where as I feel there is no reason why she should worry about doing so. Anyway the crux of the issue is I am only 28 years old and having sacrificed my independence early (at 25) have a desire to travel and I don’t care about rocking the boat to make that happen.

I would love to hear some advice about the benefits of and good ways of grabbing hold again of control of our own circumstances and decisions!

Never take a woman fishing.

That’s a little idiom I learned way before I was Red Pill aware from the guy who was the best man at my wedding, and my long time fishing buddy. I wouldn’t call him a philosopher, but he was a keen observer of women’s behavior and became salt-of-the-earth wise by default:

“When you take a woman fishing you’re trying to include them in something they really don’t want to be doing, but you like it a lot. So you think ‘I like fishing and I want to include her in something we can do together’, but when you do she complains about EVERYTHING. ‘It’s dirty, I’m cold, I’m hot, I didn’t bring a water bottle, where’s the sunscreen?, there’s too many bugs, why are there so many bugs?, why do we have to hike so far to fish? can’t we just find a spot by the dam? where’s the bathroom?, etc. etc.”

“So what do you do? You force yourself to make her comfortable the whole damn time. You don’t hike, you don’t scout for the sweet spots on the river or, God forbid, you try to get her in a kayak. You end up going out after breakfast and the light’s all wrong. You try to keep them clean and close to the ‘potty’, you bait their hook ’cause it’s filthy, you untangle their reel snarls,…what you don’t do is fish. Your whole trip becomes about making her ‘like’ fishing with you and not about actually fishing and doing all the things we do when we fish together or on our own. I mean, you want ’em to like it, but you’ll never teach them to like it because you’re too busy making everything right for ’em.”

“Unless they were brought up right and they dig fishing ’cause their Dad taught ’em to like it, never try to bring a woman fishing. They gotta come to liking it on their own, they gotta want to do it on their own. I mean, look at Dodge (our dog) he don’t care if it’s cold or 4am, he’s happy to be on the trail going wherever the fuck we’re headed.”

Back in May Zelscorpion tweeted a few of the pictures from this series and made an interesting point:

https://twitter.com/Zelcorpion/status/599493741573971969

I had to admit, he’s got a point and it reminded me of the sage words of my Best Man. I think one of the tragedies of men’s Blue Pill conditioning is the presumption that they must find a way, sometimes forcibly, to become more compatible with a woman. I wrote about the paradox of compatibility a while back:

It’s very entertaining for me to hear guys reason as to why they got into yoga, or my all time favorite, salsa dancing as some means of meeting girls. I mean really, if that’s the goal you choose to devote the precious few hours of your leisure time to then I suppose a guy ought to take up scrap-booking or zumba.

If you’re picking up a hobby in order to meet women all you’re doing is attempting to Identify with what you expect your idealized woman to appreciate. If you get into something for this reason it’s not a hobby, it’s a Buffer.

Successful men don’t chase success – success chases them. Women are going to expect you to have your own uncontrived, interests, passions and hobbies established before meeting them.

When I first began counseling men in my SoSuave days many times I’d read guys telling me, “Well if she’s not into the same things I am she’s just not the ‘right’ girl for me”, as if common interests were some criteria that would trump his sexual interests in a girl. Blue Pill idealism convinces men that the “right girl” will necessarily love doing the same things as himself, but the all too common Red Pill truth is that men will have their peak experiences in life alone or in the company of other men who share the passions and interests their wives simply have no interest in.

Peak Experience

I don’t subscribe to Maslow’s theories in whole, but I do think his Peak Experience idea has merit. There will be times and achievements in your life that will stand out as significantly memorable. It’s easy to point to the experiences that should be the most significant; a marriage, the birth of a child, a religious experience, a first kiss, a school graduation, etc., you get the idea – experiences that should be the standard fare in a romanticized, idealistic sense.

We tend to overblow these experiences because we think they should be something to etch in our consciousness; and if we don’t, well, then there must be something wrong with us for not appreciating their popular significance. Tragically it’s our negative experiences that have the most lasting effect on us; evolution has made pain something memorable so as to help us avoid potentially life-ending future experiences. But the events that should evoke lasting good memories, the ones we are taught should be significant, are often the ones we ruin with unrealistic expectations, or we build up only to have them not quite live up to the fantasy we make of them.

The Peak Experiences I’m talking about here aren’t planned, or are just loosely planned by necessity. Some of the most memorable events you’ll ever experience wont be ones that you had a forethought about. These are often the experiences we hope to recreate long after they occur, but prove impossible to really recapture. Much of what makes up our personal preferences in life come from these spontaneous Peak Experiences. Remember the first girl you got with? Remember that time when things aligned just perfectly for you to hit that hole in one?

One of the reasons I have such a passion for snowmobiles was due to a day I blew off work so I could go out for the entire day on a beautiful Lake Tahoe morning. I went on my own which is something I rarely did. It was a Wednesday so there was nobody on the trails. The snow was only a day old and I took my sled to the top of a place called High Meadows, but even this pristine place wasn’t high enough. I took off in the back country and got to the top of a peak that was as high as I dared to go alone. Once I got there I had a view of the lake that I imagine few people had experienced. Then I fell back on the seat of my sled and stared at a sky that was so blue I never thought of it in the same way again. I laid there for a long time just staring and thinking about life and living and God and the universe.

On my way down the hill I thought how cool it would be to bring Mrs. Tomassi up there so she could appreciate it too. I mean, why wouldn’t I want to share such an incredible Peak Experience with the woman I love; the woman I want to share my life with? To this day Mrs. T has only been on my sled about 3 times. She’s very self-cautious and doesn’t like the smell and sound of the engine. That might seem trivial, but no matter how much I can try to relate that experience or try to recapture it no one but myself will ever have that unique event.

Experience & Frame

When I look at the guy with his dog in these camping shots I can now appreciate them much more because I know he’s experienced that same uniqueness. When you plan an event with a woman, when you make efforts to bring her into an appreciation of something you enjoy the experience of you must remember that you are, in essence, negotiating for her genuine desire to do so.

Now, before I’m run up the flagpole for suggesting otherwise, yes I know that many men and women do in fact find pleasure in commonly held interests. I see women on the river fishing in waders and at Trout Unlimited events all the time. My point isn’t the interest itself, but rather the desire to participate in it. A lot of guys hold the belief that including their wife, girlfriend or even a girl they’re spinning as a plate in something they think she should enjoy will have the effect of bringing them closer. The inherent problem with this is the presumption that including her in it will lead to some new shared experience that will bond them both in a genuine way.

The problem with preplanned ‘date nights’ is the same problem men experience with trying to pull a woman into his Frame by insisting she take up one of his hobbies or passions; it’s contrived and feels disingenuous to her. The point of the experience becomes about her being involved in it and not the actual doing of whatever it is you do together. The vibe becomes one of him making and controlling that experience so it becomes something pleasurable for her to participate in rather than really finding some inherent reward from it due to genuine interest.

Thus you get guys who (figuratively) take their women fishing and the event becomes more about introducing her to it than actually catching fish. Guys get so caught up in controlling unpleasant variables for her that the real experience of fishing is something entirely different. They want that woman to feel the same joy he does in doing something intrinsically rewarding to him, but the truth of it is she must come to it on her own.

Always Maintain Your Individualism

And this leads us back, once again, to establishing and maintaining a positive, dominant and individualistic Frame with a woman. She must want to enter your reality for it to be a genuine desire on her part – you cannot lead her into it, she must enter it of her own volition. Spontaneity is the key. Whether it’s an ‘insta-date’ from a PUA perspective, or an unexpected twist of plans in your marriage, that woman must want to participate in that event, in that moment of her own accord.

A good test of genuine interest with a woman is less about how open she is to trying “your things” and more about how insistent she is instigating her own participation in them. The trap most Betas fall into is converting “his things” into “our things” and he compromises those previously rewarding experiences into a sideshow he hopes will bond he and his woman together.

In Male Space I made this point:

When the influence of feminine-primacy is introduced into social settings made up mainly by men and male-interests, the dynamics and purpose of that group changes. The purpose becomes less about the endeavor itself and more about adherence to the feminine-inclusionary aspect of that endeavor. It starts to become less about being the best or most passionate at what they do, and more about being acceptable to the influence of the Feminine Imperative while attempting maintaining the former level of interest in the endeavor.

A similar dynamic plays out when men try to open the Male Space of whatever it is they find individually enjoyable to the women they hope will share in his enthusiasm. One thing I learned very early on in my marriage was the absolutely vital importance of maintaining my individual identity apart from my wife.

The biggest mistake I made when I was involved in LTRs prior to meeting my wife was allowing myself to get caught up in the equalist idea that since both men and women were functional equals we should necessarily base our compatibility estimates on how alike we were in interests. Consequently I progressively began convincing myself that I found their interests fascinating, but in doing so I slipped into their Frame. I was too scared of losing a woman and was too necessitous to experiment with doing what I should have – insisting on maintaining my individual interests and maintaining my own reality for a woman to enter.

I was fortunate in that Mrs. T expected me to control the Frame from the start of our relationship. I’ll admit, at the time it was something very unfamiliar to me to have a woman expect me to prioritize my interests above her own, but the purpose of this was establishing a Frame she wanted to enter into. Today I adamantly insist on having a life that is apart from her, but she can enter into if she has a real interest in it. This blog is just one extension of that dynamic.

If you are to maintain a dominant Frame with a woman you must necessarily set your interests apart from her own. You must still insist on your individualized identity and the experiences that set you apart from her in order to maintain a reality in which she continually wishes to genuinely be a part of.

Ted had a great comment from last week’s thread that speaks to this:

I don’t expect my wife to be like a man with male interests. I expect her to be a human with human interests. Something deeper than pop culture anyway.

I know a little bit about a whole lot of stuff. I’m willing to chat about any number of subjects other than tech and politics. It just has to he something better than what’s on TV and the weather. I keep hearing women can do anything a man can, so let’s see some intellectual debate!

More often than not truths must be brought to women by men. It’s uniquely refreshing when women have the critical insight to look for truths, but it’s refreshing because it’s rare – and it’s refreshing when they seek them from a man who’s Frame she’s chosen to be a part of. One of the best aspects of the principle of Amused Mastery is that, if you actually have the mastery that comes from individualized experience, it makes maintaining a positive, dominant and enjoyable Frame much easier with the same woman.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Common manosphere wisdom, for both sexes: Don’t marry a fitness instructor, a yoga instructor, or a dance instructor.

From what I’ve seen, men who are dance instructors get laid a lot. Dancing is no guarantee of getting laid; you still need game and a strong frame.

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So….
the adsgamer gets drunk and does the keyboard a-hole routine and Emily gets her daily fill of righteous indignation…
I luv this place. Thanks Rollo. You guys r great!

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I like that you emphasize “positive” alongside “dominant”. This is often overlooked. The same holds true in raising children and training horses or dogs.

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@ Everyone engaging Emily: I don’t understand why you guys keep giving her attention (same goes for other analogous female commenters, they are more or less interchangeable apparently).

There are scientific studies backing stuff like AF / BB up, and frankly in these days of open hypergamy it isn’t difficult to see confirmation of it – as long as you have the courage and intelligence to confront the cognitive dissonance.

For me, more powerful than current manifestations of hypergamy, there was a stream of past memories that started making sense.

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@scribblerg – I agree re. there’s a problem with your frame if you have to keep being an asshole. One reason I got tired of the MMSL forum was all the schlubs who thought alpha equaled being an asshole. Alpha does require you to bring out the asshole at the appropriate time and place, but it should never be your default mode.

@rollo – that was one helluva fish.

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As long as the issue is “having to be an asshole”, you are no asshole.

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“One reason I got tired of the MMSL forum was all the schlubs who thought alpha equaled being an asshole.” Or all the guys who thought that “being alpha” was something you did occasionally and not a state of mindset. A state of being. “Was it more alpha for me to buy a truck or an SUV?” “Was it more alpha for me to take the wifey to a steak house or italian?” Which is fine, we all start somewhere. At least these guys were looking for help. Plus, lord knows I’m no alpha. But try to help? Moderators got… Read more »

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In my admittedly limited experience…

Quite often the women at gyms for lifting or yoga are women married to betas and are looking to improve their bodies as a confidence boost while they step out on their husbands.

Just sayin’

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@ NBTM

Well-played. You yanked on my chain most effectively. Enjoyed the fencing.

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@ my bitch bob

the adsgamer gets drunk and does the keyboard a-hole routine

Boys’ Night Out ™, I Was Tipsy ™, I was In the Moment ™, and It Just Happened ™. Not my fault.

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@LH – Yeah, we disagree utterly. Being a bully isn’t a beta construction – what the fuck are you talking about? My nephew is big and strong for his age and physically pushes other kids around and hits them when he shouldn’t. I don’t encourage this, I punish this kind of behavior. Alphas aren’t bullies, assholes are bullies. Bullies are also generally pussies who fall apart when pushed back at. But this is why I took the angle in this convo that I did. I know some of you believe being a bully and an asshole is alpha and you… Read more »

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Yeah @lh. You incompetent douche. I shit down the throat of beta’s like you. I’m not an asshole.

lol.

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@lawyer

I was saying about travel is that everyone had valid points. I travelled with mine extensively and often starting at 4 months of age for pleasure, for business, and out of obligation.

You are absolutely right it’s not a binary choice. If one is going to do it, one needs to modulate their expectations.
about the trip.

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@Andy – You are certainly an asshole, and you’ve been quite clear about embracing that in your life. Good luck with that – now fuck off. I don’t deal with you for a reason, you have little of value to share here that makes a difference to me. @WaistedLawyer – Still hanging on to your delusions I see. Thinking I’m telling this guy to submit to his wife or be beta or blue pill. One wonders if you have a reading comprehension issue? Shocking disclosure: Being a father and husband and head of a family is different from being a… Read more »

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We should make a compilation of Insanitybyte’s comments here for these cases. Emily wouldn’t be the first woman to be shocked at how she acts to us (and, even more so, other women) on this forum. She goes from reasonable-sounding on her own blog to bipolar, often vicious, and downright weird on here.

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@scribblerg

Dude you are hilarious.

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@alldickssuckedgamer ….keyboard toughguy: pine for man-meat, drink, antagonize, repeat…please next me

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@Emily – Hi sweetie, welcome. So, you have been straightened out by Rollo on who InsanityBytes is. She came here and only was attacked after she began insulting us. The “smell in the attic” comment was only one of many attacks and denigrating things she said to us. Note that Liz and others here are treated well enough. But a few points for you, regardless; Male vs. female intelligence – Did you take my commentary on female intelligence to be “misogynist”? Lol, child, listen up. Whatever college you are going to isn’t giving you much of an education. Do some… Read more »

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A women doesn’t understand the core of a man’s life – never! It’s pure arrogance of them to think they would have the smallest understanding of the glorious nature of god’s crown of creation. But you as a man have to protect your core and make sure that no women ever get access to something she is not worthy of.

From http://freedompowerandwealth.com

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Scrib you are too funny! When you have led men in combat come back and talk to me. Ad hominem attacks show the weakness of your position. You, Sir, are just a big talker and Internet tough guy. But even then you may have valuable information so I read what you write and dismiss that which is based on poor logic or faulty information. Ad hominem attacks show you are in my Frame and are fighting it. Best Regards

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” . . . how then do you explain studies of infants and their preferences for dolls vs. mechanical objects in terms of what draws their attention . . .”

And not just in infant humans, but in infant monkeys.

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All this arguing about who is in who’s frame. I chuckle.

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All y’all like your drama (with exceptions), keep it up, it’s fun to watch.

“Note that Liz and others here are treated well enough.”

This is because liz is sweet, dragonfly is more rational than most, and leelee has big tits.

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No worries, Andy, I like Glenn and I can take it. But I really disagree with him here. Yesterday was “back to the future” day as you might know. Maybe you should watch that movie again? Biff is the alpha bully. His future in part II was btw designed with Donald Trump in mind. We don’t need to discuss what is alpha or beta, that’s pointless. All that matters is what effects on other people and especially women some behavior has. And the bullies aren’t loners nor losers. Women especially dig unpredictable assholes, really. It’s not about punishing some behavior… Read more »

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@lh

Yeah I agree with both you and @scrib. The definition of an “asshole” is subjective. It depends on the tone you use, who’s saying it, context, etc.

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@ scribblerg : Thank you for trying to get your nephew not to be a bully. There are different manifestations of Alpha, as Rollo describes in his post:
http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/
The Alpha buddah he refers there is certainly a “piss poor example of a human being”. I wouldn’t be surprised if as a kid he bullied others.

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@scriblerg, I’m passing this on because I know your experience is similar. I have a buddy who was just bragging about how he is finally done paying child support. He’s looking forward to getting a better home now that he can afford it. Out of morbid curiosity I looked at his daughters facebook page. She recently posted. “I just can’t stand my dad anymore.” His son on the other hand seems very happy for him. Hypergamy, Briffault’s law, etc… This stuff isn’t restricted to women you are trying to sleep with. They apply to your own kids. There is a… Read more »

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@Emily Any man running around attempting to reduce women to nothing more than easily discarded sexual receptacles is inferior. He is morally, intellectually, and mentally inferior. He deserves to be tossed out, thrown aside, relegated to the rubbish heap, and his very DNA to be evicted from the gene pool forever. If it were my choice, he’d be nothing more than compost for my rose bushes or perhaps a bad smell coming from my attic. https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/mentally-fragile/ …what insanity wrote is a) not a threat and b) only directed towards men who are ‘attempting to reduce women to nothing more than… Read more »

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It’s just wrong that the patriarchy never gives a woman permission to do this sort of thing.

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” . . . my guess is she’s creating imaginary friends to make her case on blogs she’s banned from.”

I lost track of the aliases she’s used for that ages ago. The Insanitybites is actually one of them.

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@Emily, you’ve left a dozen or so comments on this “dreadful” red-pill site. How many minutes of your ever-decreasing biologically-sound reproductive life have you wasted here trying to fix the internet? We reply to you because it makes us laugh. You reply because you’re angry, a puppet that Rollo makes dance like a fool -that, and the red pill excites you enough to take action to become part of it. Oh, the irony.

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So IB is pretending to be a young chick?

I’ll break those pus pockets and make her feel twenty again…

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This post hit home very hard. I was always struggling to explain to myself the situation with my GF. One of my main passions is traveling. I love the feeling of freedom and finding new things and meeting different cultures. She obviously wants in on the fun, but when I take her to any place that requires some physical effort she complains about food, water, tiredness, her shoes, etc. This used to annoy me to no end. My solution was to take her to “easy” places such as Hawaii, or other places in which you basically are comfortable 99% of… Read more »

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@WaistedLawyer – Just have to point something out. I never knew you existed before yesterday, but apparently you have been following me for a while and are only now making your presence known via adolescent poo-flinging that adds zero value to this dialog. It would seem I am in your head – you certainly are not in mine.

But hey, keep it up, you are letting us all know exactly who you are.

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@Andy – You aren’t, you are fucking tedious and narcissistic.

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Scribbler: “Being a good leader means you are holding onto the “big picture” and frame all interactions with you as responsible for that. If you do a good job at that, people will trust your leadership and frame and relax into it, and enjoy being there. It’s a big responsibility leading a family and while I’m not the one saying “self-sacrifice” is the way, I am saying wisdom and thoughtfulness and consideration are.” I agree with this very much, that’s how to lead. But the point is, you don’t try to get the trust by being nice so they follow… Read more »

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Scrib What you know or do not know isn’t my issue. I have posted infrequently before and unless something interests me will post little until that time. I do not bloviate as you do Good Sir. But I do hope you enjoy your life. Best Regards

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And you are bullying Andy actually for no reason. Practice what you preach: apologize. razz

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I remember reading somewhere on this blog a car reviewer writing something about being paid to take cool car out for a week, somewhere in the Europe (out in the alps or something…) and then come back and write the review. And at some point on his “test ride” he realized how lucky he was that his wife was not coming with him, he suddenly realized how happy he was. Alone. The wind in his face, him. Alone. Just the car, and the road, his life, the places, the freedom. Without someone complaining that he was driving too fast, or… Read more »

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I have to wonder about the classification of men who use women as wet holes being “inferior” when I see rock stars and famous athletes whose entire lives amount to essentially that, and yet still the women come to them. If that’s being inferior, then let me load up on inferiority.

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Back when I was a poor student my then girlfriend worked for a company transferring test-cars for German automakers. One day she got an Audi RS4 and brought it to me because she knew how much I love fast cars. I took it up the serpentines sideways, all it got. Breaking crazy late into corners I couldn’t see into and all that. Of course she was complaining, trying to get me to be careful – we weren’t even insured with me driving actually. Boy did she love me.

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Rollo, if I sound like Insanity I consider that a compliment. She’s a terrific writer.
But writing isn’t my strong point, so I doubt that that my writing resembles hers.
She’s just someone I respect.
Oh and btw, all the red pill lingo I know I learnt by reading a dozen articles on here and on Roosh’s website.

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@Rollo Tomassi

She was recently called out as the fraud she is at Dalrock’s, so my guess is she’s creating imaginary friends to make her case on blogs she’s banned from.

Have we eliminated the idea of a paid troll? I’m certain that there are plenty of hormonal spinsters with time on their hands to troll. Yet, I wasn’t kidding when I said it was a distinct possibility that there are people who are being paid to troll in the manosphere.

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@Emily

Rollo, if I sound like Insanity I consider that a compliment. She’s a terrific writer.
But writing isn’t my strong point, so I doubt that that my writing resembles hers.
She’s just someone I respect.
Oh and btw, all the red pill lingo I know I learnt by reading a dozen articles on here and on Roosh’s website.

Jesus, wasn’t that just cut-and-paste from the last time IB changed her name and posted in response?

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You know, earlier up there when Emily said she was not going to come back, and someone else immediately said she was definitely coming back…I thought to myself that she was going to be the one NAWALT. Hahahahaaaaaaaaaa…

Someone please get me one freaking woman who will do what she says! Even just one.

Well. I guess its true. NAWALT. Some have a pussy. Majority don’t.

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@IAS – The Alpha buddha he talks about in that article is never described as a bully, nor are any other examples of alpha Rollo has discussed. Let me break it down for you guys one more time – it seems it’s remedial time on The Rational Male. What is the difference between coercing someone to do something and them submitting to your dominance? Answer: Coercion is involuntary at some level, it’s done under the threat of force/abuse/consequences in a capricious, unfair and arbitrary way. One has not won submission to one’s frame by telling a person “Do this or… Read more »

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@scribble, on the surface, one might think the distinction between alpha and bully would be small, or nonexistent, but you laid it out well. I’m saving that in my head for future son talks. Thanks.

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I think I found a pic of insanity:

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/20549000/ngbbs4b3bff041d43f.jpg

[And if not, just imagine her looking like this if you feel tempted to answer to her.]

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@scribblerg Wow such a long post! And all for me? tybb. Anyway, the ‘smell in the attic comment was specifically against men who treat us as sexual commodities. Stop acting like its an insult to all of you – unless you are confessing to something here? Hmm As for Liz, dragonfly and the other women supporting you here, no offense to them but it seems like they have masochistic tendencies. “The result is that at the high end, the genius and above range, there are 8 times as many male geniuses and truly brilliant people than there are female. This… Read more »

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@Emily “I’m here mainly cause you guys insulted a blogger I follow. But now I’ve been dragged into an argument.”

So, you’re admitting that you like men to drag you? Or are you admitting that nobody but yourself can drag you into typing all on your own and hitting reply all on your own?

See how silly you look? You allowed yourself to drag yourself into this place. That’s called Red-Pill Pull. You can’t fight it, but you sure do squeal a lot trying to. lol.

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As already told I’m rather distant friend with a former HB10 who only didn’t pursue a career as professional model because her father is already so filthy rich she never had to do anything but follow her heart. I’m gonna tell you where she went: For some heroine addict wannabe artist who let out all the moods of his addiction on her up to her attempting suicide. And he used her fine body to learn tattooing instead of using half a pig like the others. When it was over, she didn’t say “boy was I stupid, I’m glad it’s over”,… Read more »

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Emily
“Africa exists to remind us what life was like for women before feminism”.

Yes. In Africa, we men drink our beer from out of mother’s skulls.

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@scribblerg

I also use email tracking software, and had said this to her in a note. Contrary to our previous communications which she would barely look at, my little email-open dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree. She’s gone back and looked at a dozen previous emails I sent her, sometimes several times and several times a day. She keeps re-opening them and I keep seeing the opens.

What software is this that you use? Being an engineer I like to keep myself abreast of stuff like that. It might be nice to see when people open old e-mails I’ve sent them.

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@emily, P.S. “But now I’ve been dragged into an argument.” You say you are equal, but see how your language plays the part of a victim?

Emily: “You mean men dragged me into this argument. I’m just a helpless defender of another defenseless blogger you put down.” #GirlPower!

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Great post as usual Rollo. This article isn’t related to this current post, but you should check out the gems here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3283704/The-women-haven-t-sex-decade-s-like-celibate-s-men-s-fault.html “Shirley Yanez (right), 59, has been celibate for 15years after falling ill with a 8lb fibroid in her uterus which was due to her promiscuous youth.” “She has been divorced 3 times.” She now offers life-coaching lessons to poor people. “Rejecting advances is not something that, at my age, I have to contend with very often but part of my work is teaching young girls that sex should be a reward for men who put them on a… Read more »

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Lol. Here’s what the commentators here do, for those who have given us some idea: CEO – CaveClown Specialist physician- SJF Rocket science – Jeremy Electrical engineering/theoretical physics – MSimon Lawyer – waistedlawer (I presume) Aviation (I think) – BuenaVista Economic consulting – Scribblerg large brand design/promotion – Rollo orthopedics – me Ne’er-do-well (hey, y’all need one) – fleezer Professional sports (back in the day) – AgentP Clearly a bunch of dumbasses. Emily has a cartoon understanding of what high intelligence looks like. It’s interesting to see the dynamic in action. – basically a reverse halo effect. People tend generalize… Read more »

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For the record I am an Architect, I own a practice. I took a sabbatical to indulge in pro sports activities for a few years. I only design towers that look like big dicks though, you know, patriarchy

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We have finance guys, IT guys, engineers, architects, advertising and promotion guys, scientists, teachers, etc. But Emily thinks we are dumb asses because we don’t agree with her. So guys, I guess all those degrees and paychecks count for absolutely nothing!

I hope my boss doesn’t friend out…

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Sure was, Jewish client, they needed it circumcised and things got carried away. wink

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38.
(p. 72)
George believes that women have difficulty coping with the stress of executive decisions. Sally is
promoted into a senior management position and George soon complains that Sally won’t be able to
cope with this job. George is exhibiting which of the following perceptual errors?
A. Attribution error
B. Stereotyping
C. Projection bias
D. Halo effect
E. Recency effect

good ol’ uni classes…

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theasdgamer, Dumas #59

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I am a fiddler, and therefore a rogue.

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Am I the only one here without a degree?

Bunch of nerds y’all are.

Lol

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@Scribblerg, lh: Regarding dominance, bullying, and coercion – I actually ran across something quite recently that I think works as a better model to understand these dynamics than the single-faceted dominance and submission model. If you understand status as having two separate forms – dominance and prestige – and lower status responding to them with submission and admiration, respectively – things begin to clarify. This is gonna be a bit long, but I think it’s worthwhile. From Kevin Simler’s ‘Social Status – Down the Rabbit Hole’ Dominance alone, however, doesn’t even begin to explain the full range of human status-related… Read more »

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+1 for IT

One monitor for the internet. One monitor for code.

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Emily,
“Anyway, the ‘smell in the attic comment was specifically against men who treat us as sexual commodities.”

Who treat us ! , you mean you Emily, or Insanitybytes?

” Lastly, I agree that Tomassi is basically misogyny ‘lite’ as opposed to Roosh’s more blatant vulgar misogyny.”

The use is the word “vulgar” was last used by Insanitybytes.

Oh Insanitybytes , I’m so happy you’re back and reincarnated in a young 20 y.o Emily.

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Emily is highly suspect. Could be IrritableBowel. lots of similarities. I knew an Emily a long time ago. Pretty good anal if memory serves. “…luckily the Islamic world and Africa exist to remind us what life was like for women before feminism.” Who says shit like this? ” Lastly, I agree that Rollo is basically misogyny ‘lite’ as opposed to Roosh’s more blatant vulgar misogyny. I have read the articles, and there is some truth there. Unfortunately it’s buried under a large amount of filth.” There’s a large amount of filth over at Roosh’s? Maybe I’d better hightail it over… Read more »

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CC – I didn’t finish my degree until In was 38, because I got hired at a place that paid for it, and they wouldn’t give me a promotion without it. I managed to put a solid decade of IT time in without the paper, but moving into management required it.

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EE @ in high energy physics… yup, that’s me, dumber than a box of rocks.

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Can we all just start ignoring Emily Bites yet?

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Senior Network/Systems Engineer. I plug shit in. Job gave me additional title 5 years ago – Systems Architect. I put racks together, fill them with expensive equipment with hundreds of flashing lights and miles and miles of cables, then I plug all of that shit in. I used to have to plug shit in, in London, Hong Kong, Dubai, Singapore and Mexico, but now I send other dudes to plug that shit in. Lately when I’m not plugging shit in, I’m a code debugger. I’m not a master of coding, but evidently the shit’s not that hard if I can… Read more »

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Blax is going to plug into Emily’s ass at this rate

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agent p,

Lol.

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Forge: “If dominance is the kind of status we get from intimidating others, prestige is the kind of status we get from doing impressive things or having impressive traits or skills.” That’s a good distinction and as with Steve Jobs good leadership needs both. I think prestige with humans has more to it, but the equivalent to prestige of the Arabian babbler is in my opinion wealth, success in business. And for much the same reasons, because the economy is our way to protect from an otherwise hostile environment. But wealth is beta bucks. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be… Read more »

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Tedd,

Yeah, working on my degree now, just to fill the hole in the resume. Couple years left, more I if I continue to not apply myself.lol

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Blaximus – you’re a systems architet? LOL I’m a systems integrator. I work with architects to determine what’s needed, then I order the equipment you’re guys eventually rack and stack! I miss having my hands in hardware, but this pays much better, with great hours and zero travel. And no more 3AM emergency support calls! But yeah, I do less actual work now but needed a degree to get the job. Go figure…

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CaveClown – all it does is prove you can jump thru hoops. I want full lazy mode and got my degree online from Phoenix U ROFL. I just needed the paper, so instead of IT I got a business management degree, and the funny part is management saw that as a good thing! I just wanted into a higher pay grade. So I’m an IT guy with 20 years experience, and a degree in business. :-p

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Looks like I hit a nerve! No need to get all defensive about your jobs and education. It’s just the opinion I got from reading the posts on here and Roosh’s blog. Oh, and the fact that, in general, misogyny is most prevalent among the low income/low education class. My daddy is a successful man. I can’t imagine him, or any other successful, busy man, coming on here. Just sayin’ Or maybe y’all are successful, and are just having ur midlife crisis and this blog serves as catharsis. The theories that I am InsanityBytes are ridiculous. I found BGR through… Read more »

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@All – My treatise to Emily was a feint to get her to demonstrate her irrationality. In no particular order: – I stated that the “smell in the attic” comment was only one of many insults she made to men here. She also made many comments accusing all of us of objectifying women so one could easily assume she directed that comment at all of us. Emily thinks by hanging on that tiny “fact” of Insanity’s comment, she’s won – she’s a fucking dingbat. – My comment about the scientific facts of intelligence were not in any way claiming that… Read more »

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Lol. The point isn’t defense. It’s to demonstrate how shaming, ad hominem, and (negative) halo effects operate, and the plain-to-see distortions that result.

Re: IB. Good spot Rollo! I’m like 80% sure you’re right at this point. Not sure how you keep beating me to the punch with that kinda stuff, I’m usually a dead ringer for tone/style smile

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teddj4g, We don’t have a systems integrator anymore. That falls under my duties now. Our SI had a slight problem… he was often passed out drunk in his office, so he was invited to attend company paid rehab, of which he declined. Miss him, he was a great guy…besides the whole Jameson’s thing. I took over temporarily as SI and they never hired a replacement. Just folded the position under me. I like working with hardware but I despise long assed runs of cable and fiber optics. So I have the youngsters and telcom companies do it. At this point… Read more »

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You sound like that crazy chick that posts on here and just annoys everyone.

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So discussing what we do for work is us getting defensive?

That’s the best shaming tactic she’s got?

It’s like she isn’t even trying anymore.

*Sigh*

I was hoping for something new and exciting in the world of shaming men. Same old same old

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@emily: Rollo, I found a video of Emily talking about her Daaaady!

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@lh ‘But as was stated above for the purpose of qualifying to insanity (why the hell?), the commenters here aren’t a bunch of loser-assholes who cannot get there lives together. I got the impression people are here because they found out they were lacking unpredictable, sexy alphaness. ‘Finding out in what ways you always were alpha is good. But there are reasons it wasn’t sufficient for us all so far. I just don’t want us to become too comfortable in “being myself because I’m great already”’ Definitely. I’m not saying we should use prestige instead of dominance, or that it’s… Read more »

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Emily’s ovaries: “EMILY! Get off that damn internet and start having some babies before we dry up.”
Emily: “I can’t have kids until I’ve fixed the internet and slayed the patriarchy. Daddy! Can I borrow the car tonight.”

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@Forge – Great stuff on prestige and dominance, it enriches the discussion. But I think that what’s missing from that analysis is submission – this is something that being dominant or having high prestige does not guarantee. Someone can dominate a social environment but not gain submission. Example: I was at a party about 6 months ago with family and their friends and this one guy drinks too much, and acts like an ass. He talked about ass-sex in front of my then 8 yr old niece, for example, to his brood-sow wife. I was asked to play guitar but… Read more »

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@Newly – Giggling like a school girl over here. Also, let me head off the “qualifying to Emily” that I will be accused of. No, I’m schooling her. We aren’t live – we are on a blog. There is no other way to do so other than straight talk. She hasn’t demonstrated abject cuntery yet, so I’ll give her a shot at either showing herself as a person who’s legit curious or a cunt. And she may be IB – I don’t care. Like I’ve said in the past. This is the only site on which I participate in the… Read more »

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I’m not a masochist.
But if I played one online I’d probably first write a post telling the site owner to shut the fuck up, then proceed to insult everyone, then announce I was leaving forever, and come back immediately.

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@Scribblerg,

Little Emi Foo Foo hoping through the Red Pill
Spewing up illogic and bopping herself on the head.

Down came the ovary fair and said, “Little Emi Foo Foo, I’ll give you just one more change to have kids, then I’m turning you into a cat lady.”

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hopping.

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“My point? Not all forms of social dominance are desirable to emulate or enact for a high value man who wants to behave intelligently in social situations.”

I fully agree with this.

But regarding insanity: In my opinion we tried schooling her already. But she doesn’t learn anything from it. All she does is playing asshole provocative game with us here. And she get’s people again and again.

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Blaximus – sounds like you work for a small shop. I really miss those days. I’m on a team of 6 other SI’s, and there are four teams. I work for a rather large, very corporate company so everything is by the book, with miles and miles of red tape. Shame about your SI buddy and the booze. The job doesn’t stress me out at all, but dealing with corporate BS may push me over the edge. I’d love to get back into IT security. My last gig was client/mobile security, but they moved my role to an overseas chair.… Read more »

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