Hypergamy Knows Best

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One of the most basic Red Pill principles I’ve stressed since I began writing is the importance of Frame. The dynamic of Frame stretches into many aspects of a man’s life, but in a strictly intergender sense this applies to men establishing a positive dominance in their relationships with women. In a dating context of non-exclusivity (plate spinning) this means, as a man, you have a solid reality into which that woman wants to be included in. Holding Frame is not about force, or coercion, it’s about attraction and desire and a genuine want on the part of a woman to be considered for inclusion into that man’s reality.

Being allowed into a man’s dominant, confident Frame should be a compliment to that woman’s self-perception. It should be a prize she seeks.

This is a pretty basic principle when you think about it. The main reason women overwhelmingly prefer men older than themselves (statistically 5-7 years difference) is because of the psychological impression that men older than a woman’s age should be more established in his understanding of the world, his career, his direction in life and his mastery over himself and his conditions. From an Alpha Fucks perspective, the ambience of mastery makes an older man preferable, while a Beta Bucks older man represents the prospect of dependable provisioning.

In our contemporary sexual marketplace I think this perception – which used to hold true in a social climate based on the old set of books – is an increasing source of disappointment for women as they move from their post-college party years into the more stressful Epiphany Phase.

And once again we also see evidence of yet another conflict between egalitarianism vs. complementarity. Because all things should be equalized, equalism espouses that this age preference should make no difference in attraction, yet the influence of this natural complementary attraction becomes a source of internal conflict.

Women’s self-perception of personal worth becomes wrapped up in a tight egotistical package that’s tells her men – the men she’s convinced she deserves – should be attracted to and aroused by her based on whatever nebulous personal conviction she has, fat-acceptance approved ideas of what men should be hot for, and he ought to be ready to settle into a coequal parental ‘partnership’ when she’s finally ready to do the right thing.

It’s an interesting paradox. On one hand she’s expects a Hypergamously better than equitable pairing with a self-made man who will magically appreciate her for her self-perceptions of her own personal worth, but also to be, as Sheryl Sandberg puts it, “someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home.” In other words, an exceptional, high SMV man, with a self-earned world and Frame she wants to partake of; but also one who will be so smitten by her intrinsic qualities (the qualities she hopes will compensate for her physical and personal deficits) that he will compromise the very Frame that made him worthy of her intimacy, and then reduce himself to an equality that lessens him to her.

The Red Pill Father – Frame

The reason I’m going into this is because of a basic tenet of Frame: The Frame you set in the beginning of your relationship will set the tone for the future of that relationship. That isn’t to say men don’t devolve from a strong Alpha frame to a passive Beta one, but the Frame you enter into a relationship with will be the mental impression that woman retains as it develops. Your establishment and maintenance of a strong control of Frame is not just imperative to a healthy relationship and interaction with a woman, but it’s also vital to the health of any family environment and the upbringing of any children that result from it.

At the Man In Demand conference I was asked about my thoughts on the influence family plays in conditioning boys/men to accept a Beta role in life. Mainly the question was about a mother’s dominant influence on her children’s upbringing and how an unconventional shift in intersexual hierarchies predisposes her to imprinting her Hypergamous insecurities onto her children. It gave me a lot to think about.

A common thread I’ve occasionally found with newly Red Pill aware men is the debilitating influence their domineering mothers and Beta supplicating fathers played in forming their distorted perception of masculinity. I made an attempt to address this influence in the Intersexual Hierarchies posts, however, I intended those essays to provide an outline of particular hierarchical models, not really to cover the individual health or malaise of any of them.

From Frame:

The default pedestalization of women that men are prone to is a direct result of accepting that a woman’s frame is the only frame. It’s kind of hard for most ‘plugged in’ men to grasp that they can and should exert frame control in order to establish a healthy future relationship. This is hardly a surprise considering that every facet of their social understanding about gender frame has always defaulted to the feminine for the better part of their lifetimes. Whether that was conditioned into them by popular media or seeing it played out by their beta fathers, for most men in western culture, the feminine reality IS the normalized frame work. In order to establish a healthy male-frame, the first step is to rid themselves of the preconception that women control frame by default. They don’t, and honestly, they don’t want to.

Post LTR Frame
In most contemporary marriages and LTR arrangements, women tend to be the de facto authority. Men seek their wive’s “permission” to attempt even the most mundane activities they’d do without an afterthought while single. I have married friends tell me how ‘fortunate’ they are to be married to such an understanding wife that she’d “allow” him to watch hockey on their guest bedroom TV,…occasionally.

These are just a couple of gratuitous examples of men who entered into marriage with the frame firmly in control of their wives. They live in her reality, because anything can become normal. What these men failed to realize is that frame, like power, abhors a vacuum.  In the absence of the frame security a woman naturally seeks from a masculine male, this security need forces her to provide that security for herself. Thus we have the commonality of cuckold and submissive men in westernized culture, while women do the bills, earn the money, make the decisions, authorize their husband’s actions and deliver punishments. The woman is seeking the security that the man she pair-bonded with cannot or will not provide.

It is vital to the health of any LTR that a man establish his frame as the basis of their living together before any formal commitment is recognized.

The primary problem men encounter with regard to their marriages is that the dominant, positively masculine Frame they should have established while single (and benefitting from competition anxiety) decays to a Beta mindset and the man abdicates authority and deference to his wife’s feminine primary Frame. This is presuming that dominant Frame ever existed while he was dating his wife. Most men experience this decay in three ways:

  • A decline to his wife’s Frame via his relinquishing an authority he isn’t comfortable embracing.
  • An initial belief in a misguided egalitarian ideal that redefines masculinity has him surrender Frame
  • He was so pre-whipped by a lifetime of Blue Pill Beta conditioning he already expects to live within a woman’s Frame

Of these, the last is the most direct result of an upbringing within a feminine-primary Frame. I think one of the most vital realizations a Red Pill man has to consider is how Red Pill truths and his awareness of them influences the meta-dynamic of raising and instructing subsequent generations.

As I’ve intoned in many a post, Hypergamy is both pragmatic and rooted in a survival-level doubt about its optimization. When a woman’s insecurity about her life-determining Hypergamous decisions are concretely answered by the positively, conventionally, masculine Man who is both her pair-bonded husband and the father of her children, that doubt is allayed and a gender-complementary environment for raising children proceeds from that security.

In a positively masculine dominant Frame, where that woman’s desire is primarily focused on her man, (and where that man’s SMV exceeds his wife’s by at least a factor of 1) this establishes at least a tenable condition of quieting a woman’s Hypergamous doubt about the man she’s consolidated monogamy and parental investment with.

In a condition where that husband is unable or unwilling (thanks to egalitarian beliefs) to establish his dominant Frame this leaves a woman’s Hypergamous doubt as the determinant of the health of the overall family. That doubt and the insecurities that extend from Hypergamous selection set the tone for educating any children that result from it.

In the last post I made the case that deliberately single, primarily female, parents arrogantly assume they can teach a child both masculine and feminine aspects equally well. In the case where a wife/mother assumes the headship of family authority, both she and the Frame abdicating father/husband reverse this conventional gender modeling for their children.

That woman’s dominant Frame becomes the reality not just her husband must enter, but also their children, and also their family relatives. That feminine dominant Frame is one that is predicated on the insecurities inherent in women’s Hypergamous doubts.

Is he really the best she can do?”

Play Don’t Pay had an observation from the last post:

I think this “putting the kids first” phenomenon is very simple to explain. She DOESN’T WANT TO FUCK YOU!
She is using the kids as a shield, a barrier to deflect your UNWANTED BETA SEXUAL ADVANCES.
It is generally accepted that women are only interested in the top 20% of men, and if you are talking about as marriage partners I would agree with this.

However if you are talking about as SEX partners that they are genuinely hot for I would estimate this percentage to be north of 5% add in the frame required to maintain her SEXUAL interest in a marriage / LTR and your probably closer to 1-2%.
It’s really that simple! the women that are with these top tier men, the top 1-2% don’t need to be told to put them before the kids, they do it because he IS more important to her than her kids, because if he leaves she will never be able to replace him with another top tier man now she has his kids in tow.

Top tier men don’t raise other mens children and she knows this instinctively.
If you think you can mitigate this by being top 20% and reading a few articles on frame and dread game then I think you will be disappointed.

Sure you can improve your relationship but your probably not going to be able to command the visceral raw desire that women have for the top tier men that makes the do this shit naturally under their own violation.

“Is he really the best she can do?”

In a feminine-primary Frame, that question defines every aspect of that family’s life and development together. It’s important for Red Pill aware men to really meditate on that huge truth. If you do not set, and maintain, a dominant masculine Frame, if you do not accept you role in a conventional complementary relationship, that woman will feel the need to assume the responsibility for her own, and her children’s, security. Women’s psychological firmware predispose them to this on a visceral, limbic, species-survival level.

I’ve met with countless men making a Red Pill transition in life who’ve related stories about the burdening influence of their domineering mothers and Beta supplicating fathers leading to them being brought up to repeat that Blue Pill cycle. I’ve also counseled guys who were raised by their single mothers who had nothing but spite and resentment for the Alpha Asshole father who left her. They too took it upon themselves to be men who sacrifice their masculinity for equalism in order to never be like Dad the asshole. I’ve met with the guys whose mothers had divorced their dutiful fathers to bang their bad boy tingle generating boyfriends (whom they equally despised) and they too were molded by their mother’s Hypergamous decisions.

And this is what I’m trying to emphasize here; in all of these upbringing conditions it is the mother’s Hypergamous doubt that is the key motivating influence on her children. That lack of a father with a positive, strong, dominant Frame puts his children at risk of an upbringing based on that mother’s Hypergamous self-questioning doubt. Add to this the modern feminine-primary social order that encourages women’s utter blamelessness in acting upon this Hypergamous doubt and you can see how the cycle of creating weak, gender confused men and vapid entitled women perpetuates itself.

Finally, to the guys who are psychologically stuck on the shitty conditions they had to endure because of this cycle, to the men who are still dealing with how mommy fucked them up or daddy was a Beta; the best thing you can do is recognize the cycle I’ve illustrated for you here. That’s the first step. The Red Pill is great at getting you laid, but it’s much more powerful than that; it gives you the insight to see the influences that led to where you find yourself today.

Once you’ve recognized the Red Pill truths behind your Blue Pill conditioning, then it’s time to realign yourself, and recreate yourself in defiance to them. The longer you wallow in the self-pitiful condition that your mother’s Hypergamy and your father’s passive Beta-ness embedded in you, the longer you allow that Blue Pill  schema to define who you are.

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Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Oh, damn. I just realized that by wearing a green shirt today, my actions say women are the enemy.

Liz
Liz
6 years ago

“I’m guessing you don’t spend much time around the hipster set?”

Nope. I didn’t even know there was a name for this “look”.
Appears very much like a guy in drag to me.

ace
ace
6 years ago

insanitybytes22

October 3rd, 2015 at 4:54 pm

This isn’t an answer to my question(s). So once more: Where did he specifically do this…in which post did this labelling occur?

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Insanitybytes, “Uh, yes you did. Your language,your attitude, your labeling, your relentless rage, all speak to the fact that you perceive women as dangerous, as a threat. The enemy.”

Coming from the mouth who said:
1, let him stink in the attic. (after killing him)
2,using him as a combos to my flowers.

Not one man in here EVER said these words about women.
I bet you, you would do that to your God if he stops serving you.
What a deranged woman you are.
Ps,
I still like you.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

Tomassi, I am not the least bit threatened by men finding their own worth and value. I think that is quite awesome, and yes attractive, too.

However, your attempts to hide behind only being “descriptive rather than prescriptive” is a bit like handing out the recipe for explosives and then saying, “meh, what people do now is not my problem. I was only arming them and describing the enemy.”

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“So now you back track and attempt to distinquish that there is a “caring kind” of hypergamy?”

Hell yes, Bitch, I’ll backtrack 27 years and allow my wife to choose me all over again. That’s the good, caring type of hypergamy.

Dragonfly
6 years ago

“Hate to you is a freed slave. Love to you is a mindful Beta. In the 13 years I’ve been writing I have rarely met a man I’d say ‘hated’ women. But I have had women accuse men of misogyny for merely disagreeing with them.”

Gold.

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
6 years ago
Reply to  Dragonfly

@Dragonfly

That was Gold. Straight up money quote.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . a bit like handing out the recipe for explosives . . . ”

You can buy them off the shelf, without ID, at any filling station, hardware store or supermarket.

But maybe that’s a secret that only men above the age of 6 know.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Tomassi: Smell that? You smell that?

IBitch: What?

Tomassi: Freedom From Constraint, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that.
[kneels]

Tomassi: I love the smell of Freedom in the morning. You know, one time we had a blog commented on, for 4 years. When it was all over, I logged on. We didn’t find one of ’em, not one stinkin’ bitch comment. The smell, you know that freedom smell, the whole blog. Smelled like
[sniffing, pondering]

Tomassi: Victory. Someday this war’s gonna end…
[suddenly walks off]

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

Someone should tell IB that those sandwiches wont make themselves, neither will the dinner, not to mention everything else…she’s outlived whatever quasi-usefulness she had.

Begone rodent!

ace
ace
6 years ago

insanitybytes22

October 3rd, 2015 at 4:54 pm

““Where did he specifically do this…in which post did this labelling occur?”
Women as the enemy? It’s in every single post and reinforced by the comments here.”

If it’s “in every single post” it shouldn’t be too hard to give an example, should it?

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Engaging with that insane cunt is simply not worthwhile, guys. Don’t let her take another thread down the shitter.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Oh, damn. I just realized that by wearing a green shirt today, my actions say women are the enemy.

Hey! My shirt is green, too. What th’….?

Thelien
Thelien
6 years ago

Whoever is butthurt about the police responding to domestic violence calls doesn’t deserve to live in a first world country. I wish he was born where police don’t care until you get killed (that’s still most part of the world), and had to go to sleep while listening to children’s screams from the room of the next door drunk. I don’t even believe his story it was only for telling his daughter to clean – all parents do it but almost nobody gets cops called on them, if there’s no actual yelling, cursing, throwing things and other threatening behavior involved.… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@ Sun – Equating economic/political systems with intersexual dynamics as an argument to undermine my POV is intellectually vapid. Do better… My point, once again, is that a woman truly “getting” male reality might be moved to be a bit more generous with the power she has and actually lay some pussy on the poor bastards like Moonface – who is never going to be an alpha. I don’t know how much clearer I can make it: Not all men can be high value – axiomatically. Some men will always be desolate but all are programmed to crave pussy. Red… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

“Women are the enemy”. Hmm, the 26 yr old lost girl I personally coach and fuck sometimes just started her own business. She sent me an email on Thursday, here’s what it said. “. I keep saying,” its not If Dad, its When.” and then a small smile comes across his face and I can see how proud he is of my thought processes and that he made this little mind of mine. 🙂 It feels so amazing to have a plan Glenn. I feel like I’m not so lost anymore. Gahhhh! I’m excited about this… very excited.” She’s been… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

“To call protection of the weak ‘evil government oppression’ is just like SJW calling another normal thing ‘evil patriarchy oppression’.” Any limits on that “protection”? The evil isn’t in government exactly but rather in the strong abdicating their responsibilities and outsourcing things like “protecting the weak” to corrupt institutions. Carried to its extreme we allow the gov complete power to protect the weak from everything. Ultimately that protection is a misguided effort to protect people from themselves. So let’s ban guns, and other weapons entirely, and allow any criticism of a parent to result in a CPS investigation. While we’re… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Ultimately that protection is . . .”

. . . absolute power.

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

Well Tomassi, even though scribblerg is attempting to vomit obscenities and hatred all over me, I did compel him to rather defensively protest that he does indeed love women, which speaks well to your post, “Are we Our Sister’s Keeper?” Yes, yes you are because mens very sense of worth and value comes from how you perceive yourself in women’s eyes, whether or not you deem yourselves worthy and useful to her. That sucks, I empathize there and I truly believe it is women’s job to show men that they do have worth and value in our eyes. That is… Read more »

Anonymous REader
Anonymous REader
6 years ago

…because mens very sense of worth and value comes from how you perceive yourself in women’s eyes, whether or not you deem yourselves worthy and useful to her. No, dearie. You’re projecting your own female insecurities onto men yet again. Men want women, but do not need them. Women need men, period. All your rather vicious empty-headed banging here is clearly intended to get men to qualify themselves to you, and by proxy to all women. It’s way too late around here for that game to work. And there’s no way anyone with a mean streak such as you have… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Go and have a look at the Alexa demographic stats for the blogs of Athol Kay, Mark Manson or Evan Mark Katz. Notice the pattern? All have grossly overrepresented female readership. Did not know that, but at lease in the case of Athol it makes perfect sense ever since he gave his wife some power over comments. The last time I tried to wade through a comment stream it was all about teh wimmenz. Not as bad as $usan Wal$h’s blog became, but heading in that direction. Men don’t read these purple pill blogs much less follow along with their… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

liz
Nope. I didn’t even know there was a name for this “look”.
Appears very much like a guy in drag to me.

I see some number of manjaws on millennial women…

Vitriol
Vitriol
6 years ago

@insanitybytes22 “However, your attempts to hide behind only being “descriptive rather than prescriptive” is a bit like handing out the recipe for explosives and then saying, “meh, what people do now is not my problem. I was only arming them and describing the enemy.” It’s so obvious you have absolutely no intention of reaching the merits of what Rollo or anyone else here has written, Keep fishing for victim points amongst men who you insult with ad hominems who don’t care about your games or your pill consumption.Tell yourself you’re a winner when a funeral home is primed to make… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

@Insanitybytes ,
Deep inside, how do you feel about having to personalities?
There is no red pill women or blue pill women, there are Insanitybytes.
Women know exactly how to suck and swallow, whether she’s red or blue or pink.
Don’t bring Glenn as an example, he is as deranged as you.(sorry Glenn).

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Insanitybytes
“Yes, yes you are because mens very sense of worth and value comes from how you perceive yourself in women’s eyes, whether or not you deem yourselves worthy and useful to her. That sucks, I empathize there and I truly believe it is women’s job to show men that they do have worth and value in our eyes. That is our part of the biological equation.”

PUSSY UBER ALLES.
Sieg hail!
Pussy, pussy.

Fixed it for you.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@scribblerg

Equating economic/political systems with intersexual dynamics as an argument to undermine my POV is intellectually vapid. Do better…

And you’re intellectually lazy. The fact that Rollo (and many smart guys) equate the two by calling it a sexual market place makes plenty of sense. Ignored everything else after that. Insulting me won’t make me listen. You do better.

Don’t think you just get to bully and I’ll listen. It don’t work that way with me. You know that by now.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@scribblerg And for the record the reason I don’t care about any further argument with you on the matter is as follows: Do women currently do what you suggest? No. Will women ever do what you suggest? Hell no. Will women ever even do the small thing I suggest and bring their expectations in line with reality? Not without losing a good portion of the male population. Will women, even “Red Pill” women stop fucking hollow Alphas? A couple million years of evolutionary momentum says no. The entire suggestion and debate is just pissing in the wind. You and I… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@Sun Wukong

I agree with you. I think Scribblerg’s point was roughly in line with yours – his comments are mostly intended to show the absurdity of women calling themselves ‘red pill’ – when they would never even contemplate doing what he suggests. He’s contrasting that reality with the compassion red pill men see incels clearly warrant.

He’s playing fast and loose with your arguments to make that point. So I’m not faulting you for defending against that shit 😉

Not trying to be the Official Scribblerg Interpreter here, I’m just more attentive to subcommunications lately…

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

@kfg, M Simon Thank you for your responses to me re: continuing pain. kfg: ‘” . . . am I holding back on something?” Yes. “And the pain changes subtley over time, finding new objects. ” This is transference, an avoidance behaviour. What you are holding back on is the original object(s).” Kinda what I’m afraid of. I’ve done everything I currently know to find the source. I’m running out of ideas. Maybe it’s not something you can force yourself into….I could tell stories about my life. But not now. Suffice it to say the most obvious sources of pain… Read more »

Liz
Liz
6 years ago

“liz
I see some number of manjaws on millennial women…”

That’s true.
I don’t see the jaw in the photo, but she’s a strange looking one.
I’d say
Caitlyn Jenner is to Bruce Jenner as
Donald McDonald is to this chick above.

Liz
Liz
6 years ago

Ronald.

Striver
Striver
6 years ago

I have known a few female incels. Yes, I know, they can get it if they go down to a bar and offer it up, but these ones weren’t willing to do that, and they weren’t attractive women and knew it. The bar is a lot lower for women, true, but I have seen women come across with that level of desperation. To be honest, I wasn’t attracted to them. Some things are attractive or not attractive across genders. Being an asshole is probably beneficial to a woman as well, especially if she’s content attracting and manipulating weak men. I… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

@ Liz

It’s the Le Cage Aux Faux inspired make up.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

“Poo test” – lol, oh, really, I’ve changed my mind Rollo, don’t ban her. She’s just too rich. As though I’m qualifying for her, wow. I’m just making clear to men here and others that I don’t hate women at all. I do speak straight to them, and don’t tolerate shit from them – but those who I choose to bring into my dominant frame are showered with love and support and protection and wisdom and provisioning (in very small doses, i’d rather cook a meal for a woman than take her to a restaurant). But given the sliver one… Read more »

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
6 years ago
Reply to  scribblerg

@scribblerg

You went off brilliantly on her!

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Rollo – Your last comment to IB was a tour de force. No shock about those other blogs, I was nauseated just glancing at Athol Kay’s…

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

Did not know that, but at lease in the case of Athol it makes perfect sense ever since he gave his wife some power over comments. The last time I tried to wade through a comment stream it was all about teh wimmenz. Not as bad as $usan Wal$h’s blog became, but heading in that direction. MMSL is not “heading in that direction”, it has been a purple pile of gynocentric shit from the beginning, just like HUS. Kay specifically stated numerous times that he deletes comments that advocate Red Pill thought or oppose Marriage 2.0. He’s just another opportunist… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Anonymous – Spot on commmentary above, every word. This in particular “Men want women, but do not need them. Women need men, period. All your rather vicious empty-headed banging here is clearly intended to get men to qualify themselves to you, and by proxy to all women.” But don’t get carried away. A woman can only get a man to qualify for her if the man cares about her opinion. Putting a cunt in her place is not “qualifying”. This is also a forum where tens of thousands of men lurk, as do many women and there is value to… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

Zed once proposed that Spearhead should be a male only zone. It didn’t fly with Welmer Ah, Welmer. He really revealed himself to be a fucking wanker before he deleted his lame-ass website. In his last posts he was shitting all over MRAs and MGTOWs and predicted that they’ll side with rabid feminists in the culture war against blameless tradcons. Wtf? He was completely eviscerated by some family court, and yet decided to start cohabiting with another broad and sired yet another child. What kind of idiot do you have to be to do something like that? He’s a typical… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Sun – Say’s you. Amazing how you know the future and how women will react. IRL, I can get women to do things you never think they would. I’m doing an experiment here to see if that svengali like/hypnotic effect can be transmitted to RP chicks via a blog. If just one of them gives a sympathy hand job to someone like MoonFace, my work here is worthwhile. Women can be manipulated into having sex in many, many ways and this is really just an experiment. “Will women, even “Red Pill” women stop fucking hollow Alphas?” – Who says they… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

Whenever I read online calls for more male self-improvement, I’m reminded that Roosh is advocating the same thing, yet at the same time he writes one detailed article after another describing how such attempts at self-improvement are bound to have more and more diminishing returns in a world that is less and less suited for sane men. Funny guy, he is.

Mossad_Agent
Mossad_Agent
6 years ago

This is serious shit going on (with all this feminism, etc.). It’s a global scale social engineering. It’s more than “global shit test”. Women are puppets here (tools only, useful idiots) – at early stage they benefit from it (“Matrix” protects them by law & media), but later they will be equal to men (read: equally enslaved). Goal is to make the ultimate beta male society – because it will not be able to perform any revolution! So elites/royals will continue to rule this planet. These “master-race” psychopaths will do anything to keep their positions. To be successful (to fight… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Forge – Suggestion: Try releasing all attachment and resistance to your emotional states. Imagine yourself as a cup of tea. Your emotions/thoughts are the tea and you are the cup. Cultivate the ability to be “the listener” so you have thoughts and feelings, instead of being them. Analyzing trauma an pain are important as one must be aware of what’s going on with themselves in order to deal with it, but the solution is always the same. The most brilliant bit of wisdom imparted to me when i was a practicing Buddhist was by an amazing master, an older Vietnamese… Read more »

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hoellenhund2
6 years ago

Many men suffer from childhood trauma. In my family system, only the boys got beaten. Men suffer the majority of child abuse, yet women run around as though they have cornered the market on abuse – again, their solipsistic nature makes me puke on this count.

It’s also a fairly convenient distraction from the fact that child abuse is often either committed, or indirectly facilitated, by women.

Seraph
Seraph
6 years ago

Folks, Another amazing thread. I have a busy weekend so I was unable to read all the responses but I wanted to respond to the people who gave me some input. First, I appreciate it to all. Two, in order of Appearance: @kobayashii1681, ”Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes.” – Carl Jung Introspection…this and perseverance. Take time…it’s a journey. I think introspection is innate to men, but like the alphaness, it is socialised out of us, just in case one day we’re like “tha fuck?!….I’m outta here!” and realise that the game is rigged. This makes sense on… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Hey Seraph. That is a wonderful summary of where you are at and how you are feeling. Reminds me of Forge the Sky’s comment in the past: “I’ve found that, in general, RP and game feel more like the awakening of buried impulses than the addition of foreign behaviors.” I don’t take your tone as irritation at all. We’re on the same side. I agree entirely that your wife has to step up her game. Give her time. It takes time. Don’t resent her for that. You said: “Yes, but a woman who is deficient needs to make herself a… Read more »

Striver
Striver
6 years ago

SJF – Regarding Myers/Briggs: Future ex-wife and I were in a pre-marriage class at my church. Part of it was a compatibility test. Test results come back and we are far apart. Right in front of me she just rips it up and says we’re going to ignore it! How reassuring. I had next to no ability to cope with something like that at the time. I’ve internalized some things since, but some of the spontaneous stuff is still not in my wheelhouse. I did not have good frame, but nothing I’ve learned so far has moved me to think… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

I had an employee that needed some help 10 months ago. She was a key employee and I didn’t want to lose her. I tried to get her to take a Meyers Briggs personality so I and the other employees could help her perceived problems with another two key employees. She was on the verge of quitting. I figured we would play to her strengths and not push her weakness buttons (she refused on the advice of her clinical psychologist son–he of course said MBTI are for shit). Turns out she has lots to hide and I diagnosed BPD traits.… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

SJF, I’m surprised a BPD refused a Meyers-Briggs, since it doesn’t take much to game that test, and BPD’s are nothing if not cunning.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

She’s not that bright. BPD’s can be skillful and have mastery over their domain. She’s not one of them. But she’s very functional as a receptionist. One more note is that Seraph and Striver allude to red pill advanced skillsets. I think there is more importance on Game (including married man game which is harder than single man game–you’re basically stuck with the partner until you are not) than on Red Pill “awareness”. I just happen to be very highly motivated to elevate my game and am a good learner and can adapt well. I’m “stuck” with a good one… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@scribblerg

Sometimes you’re just a really angry guy whose hubris leads him in to fights not worth having. This is one of those times.

I summed up my disagreement using my position as an example, yes. Do you honestly think though that I’m getting emotional over what you’re saying simply because I did that? I’d say the emotional one is the one that’s fastest to resort to anger and name calling, and for that person you need only look in a mirror.

Learn to chill a bit, bro.

Menopausal Fraud
6 years ago

“I only know what’s worked for me and for the men who’ve related their gratitude for my presenting TRP to them. I don’t write prescriptions; I want men to write their own. I’m not interested in creating better men; I’m interested in men recreating themselves as better men.” Yes, but a great deal of what you write is actually about women. So the focus becomes “women are this negative thing, feel free to treat them accordingly”. It’s like the secular version of Dalrock with his relentless parade of crafty harlots and child murderers. [coming from a woman who pardons women’s… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

@ Sun & scribblerg Learn to chill a bit, bro. Which was my point to scribbler from the beginning… I used the sentence: Go easy on the ladies. And a 52 year old man who fancies himself alpha lost his shit. Nice frame hold there scribber, great example for the guys. I like how you implied power over women and physical threat on the internet without directly implying it, as if that’s never been tried before. Go back and read my original reply to you, and see how you literally lost any sense of cohesive thought from one sentence I… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Sorry, Rollo, but I just left a comment that probably went to moderation for a single link to an Ian Ironwood’s article and clarifies what the red pill actually is. Also clarifies why what IB just said is categorically wrong. I would appreciate if you would check and release it from moderation. Thanks.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@Seraph: Exactly. I think most men especially if you’re raised in a traditional family without too much TV in your former years…it’s always this nagging feeling you get, or that confidence you carry as a young boy when you unknowingly use amused-mastery on other young girls, aunties or your mom even….but from the 80s and being fed a plethora of rom-coms, soaps, women’s literature, aggressive socialisation, you always try to snap back to this ‘kafkaesque reality’…but, the red pill is innate, it’s always there…. For me it was the relationships me & my boy were in…we had completely supplicated…and we… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

@Insanitybytes,
As you know, some brothers here had some “misunderstanding” regarding “mercy fuck”, I would like to have your say about it, I mean, how does Mr. bytes feels about it?
As you said before, you believe in “mercy fuck”.

My second question is;
As you know of your “pussy is power” don’t you think Mr. Bytes needs to find a younger pussy that is worth serving instead of serving your old pussy?
Don’t you see why you hate the “red pill “?

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@takingthepiss; “Yes, but a great deal of what you write is actually about women. So the focus becomes “women are this negative thing, feel free to treat them accordingly”. No. It’s about how men should be/act in relation to how women have become and society has changed. Secondly, Rollo’s never said women are negative…However, what he and we advocate for is knowing how women ARE and acting accordingly. “Men and women exist in complete symbiosis. You cannot knock one gender down in an attempt to elevate the other.” No, they do not, and haven’t in while…though, they should! The red… Read more »

Atticus
Atticus
6 years ago

IB. 10/3 @10:59 “…mens very sense of worth and value comes from how you perceive yourself in women’s eyes, whether or not you deem yourselves worthy and useful to her…”

IB. 10/4 @9:33. “Men and women exist in complete symbiosis. You cannot knock one gender down in an attempt to elevate the other.”

IB. You are roundly derided here and blame it on RP anger. Can you not open your heart and see how offensive the contradiction in you two quotes above is to men?

Ang Aamer
6 years ago

I see Insanity is till here… sigh… It’s interesting the number of females (Insanity being a good example) that desperately wish to put the Genie back in the bottle. To have their little beta boys never grow up and stay nice and sweet – and compliant. In the post feminist mind they have equated Red Pill awareness with a woman’s exile to the kitchen making sandwiches. And to be fair I personally believe that is to the betterment of mankind. Man should be conquering and a Woman in the kitchen making said sandwiches. So I sympathize with the outright panic… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Men and women exist in complete symbiosis. ”

You and “your” mitochondria live in complete symbiosis, but they use you as a machine to feed them, leaving you to live off their excrement.

Pseudo-Christian Fraud

Keyser Soze, I think your language is vulgar and obscene and your attempts to insult my husband are not appreciated. You should be so blessed as to be Mr. Bytes, he is a good man and much loved.

Tomassi, to call me a menopausal fraud and to accuse me of being a woman who pardons abortions for the sisterhood is how a small minded man tries to disqualify and discredit a woman he actually fears. Men should not fear women, that is downright pathetic.

Seraph
Seraph
6 years ago

@SJF, A somewhat simplistic book on this stealing of energy concept is Toru Sato’s “The Ever-Transcending Spirit: The Psychology of Human Relationships, Consciousness, and Development” It is basic stuff that pales in comparison to Red Pill Awareness, but it is pretty much right in line with what you are dealing with: Your wife is stealing your energy. She needs to give you energy. You remind me of one of the earlier arguments/discussions with my wife when she was giving me a hard time about activities which did not include/benefit her. Of course, she was not as direct as that as… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Thanks Seraph.

Realize that 1. She needs to not suck energy out of you and 2.You will get your manly energy on your own and for yourself. Two separate issues.

In regards to #1 if she persists, you will disallow it. In regards to #2 you have the means to accomplish this.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Insanitybytes, ” Mr. Bytes, he is a good man and much loved.” I’m sorry Insanitybytes, but I wasn’t attacking Mr bytes, in fact I feel sorry for him to be married to your trickery and manipulation of him. When you say he is a good man and much loved, it means two things : 1, he is not sexy to you (I really hope he finds a younger women to fuck him as a tingle not because he’s a good nice guy ) . 2, The “good man and much loved” , I last read something like that , was… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Well anyway I think my post earlier might not make it, but it is along the line of what Kobayashii posted in response to IB in regards to what the red pill is actually about. She just doesn’t get it. So here is a few excerpts from a post that Ian Ironwood made when he rebutted Susan Walsh’s drivel about the same shit IB is wining whining about. It doesn’t fit in Rollo’s new post so I will cut and paste it from my earlier post that either went into moderation for a link to the original or got lost… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Sorry to confuse you, but the following paragraph above was Susan Walsh’s quote but the formatting was lost in my cut and paste:

“The Red Pill lets guys off the hook. If they can’t get a woman, it’s due to the defects innate to the female sex. For many, the strategy of passing blame is more psychically rewarding than the strategy of taking responsibility.”

Pseudo-Christian Fraud

“For many, the strategy of passing blame is more psychically rewarding than the strategy of taking responsibility.” She really nailed it there, because that is more than obvious in multiple threads. Men have always found it to be more psychically rewarding to blame women than to take responsibility for themselves. Regardless of what your red pill tries to teach, it doesn’t translate well because so many of you are trapped in relentless hatred, anger, and fear towards women. You constantly seek to disqualify, discredit, and demean us, which you apparently find more psychically rewarding than actually taking responsibility for your… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

You obviously didn’t read or can’t understand why Susan Walsh is fabricating that bit about red pill praxeology with feminist ideology. You are ascribing your emotions to what you think is Red Pill. You are dead wrong. Do you need someone to sound this out for you? Or interpret the straightforward rebuttal? Stop wining mewling and GTFO: “This is where she’s wrong. The Red Pill does not let guys “off the hook”, in part because yes, Virginia, there are a lot of batshitcrazy/attention-whoring/frivorce-happy/hypergamous/outrageously-entitled females out there (count the number of “selfies” on any given young woman’s FB page for details),… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“You constantly seek to disqualify, discredit, and demean us, which you apparently find more psychically rewarding than actually taking responsibility for your own selves.”

Holy inversion, Batman!

Fifty Shades Of Anonymous Reader
Fifty Shades Of Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Bites Men have always found it to be more psychically rewarding to blame women than to take responsibility for themselves. Regardless of what your red pill tries to teach, it doesn’t translate well because so many of you are trapped in relentless hatred, anger, and fear towards women. You constantly seek to disqualify, discredit, and demean us, which you apparently find more psychically rewarding than actually taking responsibility for your own selves. Dearie, you simply have to come up with something better than this boring old projection. I mean, really, you’ve tried it off and on for some time now,… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

I wonder if Frank Zappa had some tiresome old 2nd wave feminist like Bites in mind when he wrote this little tune?

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Sun – Toughen up buttercup, your argument was shit. Deal with it or don’t. Also your commentary about “hollow alpha” was juvenile. Own your shit or don’t, your choice. But I’m not angry at you, I’m trying to sort out your fucked up thinking. Take it or leave it, but it’s not about me. You got very hooked about me taking the line I took – which had nothing to do with you. You don’t ever have to blow anyone you don’t want to, okay? @Jeremy – Your comment was drivel. Do better. Tell me, do you hear me telling… Read more »

Dumb Pollock
Dumb Pollock
6 years ago

In the Greek myths, there was no doubt who was in charge. It was Zeus who spins plates like mad, playing the dread game on his wife Hera. Competition made Hera mad with protective desire enough that she would bath every day to restore her virginity in the special waters. He did what he want to do but didn’t tell Hera, preferring to let her make the guessing. There was no question which frame was in control.

Liz
Liz
6 years ago

“I get it, I’ve been dealing with guys like you my whole life who can’t compete so they whip dung at me. And I’m 53, not 52. Look 40, btw. “ That must be it. They can’t compete ’cause you’re super likeable. Re red pill women and pity fucks with men they aren’t attracted to because “guys would do it if they were gay”. I’ll just ask (and don’t worry, I’m not sticking around for the answer from you, but instead of howling at the moon and insulting men here you can insult me, you’re welcome)… if attraction isn’t a… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

“Women have always found it to be more psychically rewarding to blame men than to take responsibility for themselves. Regardless of what your feminism tries to teach, it doesn’t translate well because so many of you are trapped in relentless hatred, anger, and fear towards men..”

These things are true, I don’t dispute that at all. That is the fallacy of feminism and what makes their ideology so weak.

For many however, your red pill “praxeology,” is simply the ideologies of feminism with the genders reversed.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

“As for the alpha comment, it’s clear, you are jealous of me. I get it, I’ve been dealing with guys like you my whole life who can’t compete so they whip dung at me. And I’m 53, not 52. Look 40,”

You go gurrrrl.

Ps,
True natural aren’t obsessed about looking younger unless you’re a woman.

lh
lh
6 years ago

@scribbler:

You’re picking fights you gain nothing from and you fail shit tests. Stay grounded, stay sharp, brother. Reconnecting with your natural Alpha spirit is good and important. But it’s not that uncommon to have an alpha side which was never appreciated enough or lost on the way.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

“I said, just who in the fuck do you think you are white knighting like a gaping, glistening mangina here?”

Insanitybytes ¿
I need your help here, he’s calling me a white night and a mangina, what do you think? Am I?

Ps,
Catch 24?

Fraud
6 years ago

“I need your help here, he’s calling me a white night and a mangina, what do you think? Am I?” No, I think in the name of all that is decent and good about men, “take it easy on the ladies” is something that needs to be said around here once in awhile. That is a reflection on your own selves, your own honor, and how you define yourselves as men. Those hate filled words scribblerg speaks over others, he is actually speaking over himself. That is how it works and it reveals an emotional investment that is not rooted… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

insanitybytes22 October 5th, 2015 at 10:00 am “These things are true, I don’t dispute that at all. That is the fallacy of feminism and what makes their ideology so weak.” Agreed “For many however, your red pill “praxeology,” is simply the ideologies of feminism with the genders reversed.” That is a simple non sequitur. That statement means nothing without context. Now either you can make it your context (frame) or I can make it my context (frame). A non sequitur is a conversational and literary device, often used for comedic purposes. (It is something said that, because of its apparent… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“I could say anything I wanted to a truly dominant man and he would either be amused, entertained, and engage….or walk away and completely ignore me. Confident men do not engage and proceed to call women names because they feel threatened by the mere words of a woman.

So no,nothing white knighting about it, it’s actually calling a man out for his obvious frame failure.”

That’s a dull shiv.

Any idiot knows that men wouldn’t be here if they weren’t working on their masculine self improvement, whatever form that takes. Myself humbly included.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Thank you Insanitybytes for your position.
That was very brave of you.

I have a question for you regarding the ” mercy fuck”.
Do you think it is a Christian believe?
I mean , when all religions order wives to fuck their husbands regardless of “their mood and the headache stuff ” .
Don’t you think Glenn might be speaking from a deeply held religious beliefs?

Another question for you! Do I go to hell if women ask me to have anal sex with them (sorry for my vulgar language).

Fraud
6 years ago

“This does not take away from a man being kind, respectful and loving of his partner. (I know. I’m there and do that)” Yes, I believe you. And I believe Tomassi likely perceives the red pill in that same light. The problem is you are perceiving it through your own eyes and only seeing the positive. Dominance in the hands of broken men, outside of any cultural/moral restraints, is not a good thing. That is the same problem within feminism. They too are being “descriptive,” here is a bad man, now ALL men must be regulated and controlled. The personal… Read more »

Fraud
6 years ago

“I have a question for you regarding the ” mercy fuck”. Do you think it is a Christian believe?” I really do not like the vulgar language, but I truly do not believe it is my job to police the language of men. As to “mercy sex,” that is not “pity” at play in the context of marriage, that is simply giving a husband what he is due, even when you may not be 100% enthusiastic about it. Those words were said in another context, in the context of wives refusing sex because they just didn’t “feel like it.” Women… Read more »

lh
lh
6 years ago

“Dominance in the hands of broken men, outside of any cultural/moral restraints, is not a good thing.”

I can understand why you fear the emotions of “broken men” or “hateful speech out of fear”, but note these things only matter for your emotional solipsism. You resent those feelings because they don’t fit into your need of inner congruency. For the men though, while they may have those feelings indeed, these emotions matter far less, if at all. And that’s why they aren’t really a danger to anything other then your “feel good”.

Fraud
6 years ago

Tomassi, I’m going to do something I rarely do and apologize for pricking your pride when you tried to post on my blog about how I was a bipolar, menopausal, fraud. You pissed me off, I lost my temper, and I’m sorry. You’re right, I should have been more gracious and appreciative of the fact that you were willing to entertain me at all. Unlike you, I however receive a great deal of hate mail, opposition, and abuse, and so I filter some comments. I don’t particularly appreciate being called mentally ll or as some do, threatened with assorted violent… Read more »

Nataliya Kochergova
6 years ago

What a thread. Had to comment. 1)I think scribblerg is partially right and pity sex would help. Definitely help short-term. Maybe even long term, if it gives the guy a confidence boost long enough to get laid himself. It might stop him from suicide or killing other people. I think most likely it won’t solve all his problems, but it’s a net positive. 2)However, most women are not gonna do it. Not regular women, not Red Pill women. Mostly because women don’t have sex with men they aren’t attracted to it. For Red Pill women, there is even more reason… Read more »

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

Hehe….on a lighter note….Hypergamy is rife!
https://www.rt.com/uk/317704-mod-investigation-adultery-sex/

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“The problem is you are perceiving it through your own eyes and only seeing the positive.” I’m an idealistic, positive mother-fucker. So sue me 🙂 “Dominance in the hands of broken men, outside of any cultural/moral restraints, is not a good thing. “ Damn. That’s a thing I can agree on. If……those broken men abuse their evolutionary call to dominance that women were evolutionarily designed to need and submit to for their own good (and the good of the children, don’t forget the children). I didn’t agree on that a year ago. But I mentored/taught a cute little mid twenties… Read more »

Dragonfly
6 years ago

@Sun “Do women currently do what you suggest? No. Will women ever do what you suggest? Hell no. Will women ever even do the small thing I suggest and bring their expectations in line with reality? Not without losing a good portion of the male population. Will women, even “Red Pill” women stop fucking hollow Alphas? A couple million years of evolutionary momentum says no.” An easy truth in all this is what Rollo has said from the beginning about a man’s sexual strategy and a woman’s sexual strategy being intentionally at odds with one another. It has to be… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

@Insanitybytes ,
Are you going to use your new name on your blog too?

Fraud
6 years ago

“I came to realize the women in the Middle East have it bad that way. But that is not the way the red pill defines dominance–not intrinsically evil, that is……… And you are merely using that as a straw man argument” Actually it’s not a straw man at all. I am genuinely curious how men would address that? I know what the Fems are doing, I know what the UN is doing, but how would you deal with it? Because like it or not, there are some rotten men out there who do bad things. To say, “oh well, not… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“Are you going to use your new name on your blog too?”

Keyser, I’m shocked to see she found out how to change her name back. Although she did come back a little humbled by “Tomassi”. I see she used a lower case “I” in her name.

“To say, “oh well, not my problem”, is not a satisfactory answer.”

Is too.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

@Insanitybytes ,
I LOVE you. You make me laugh (thank you).
It is so entertaining talking to you, I really mean it. You play cat and mouse, you are a little girl.
I really hope Rollo doesn’t block you.
Ps,
All women are Insanitybytes, and we should enjoy them like we enjoy talking to little girls.

Fraud
6 years ago

“All women are Insanitybytes, and we should enjoy them like we enjoy talking to little girls.”

Actually Keyser Soze, that is the most sensible thing I’ve heard you say yet. Is that not the nature of women and should you not enjoy us?

And yes, I do appreciate Tomassi not banning me. He is braver than many others, they all quickly descended into hysterics and banned me.

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@’Avin A Right Laugh:

“For many however, your red pill “praxeology,” is simply the ideologies of feminism with the genders reversed.”

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/288/653/844.jpg

You really can’t make this up…Hehehe! Solipsism is woman!

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

@dragon,
The brave woman who gives “pity/mercy fuck” (if you find that woman) to an incel, is the same woman who will be on the incel’s list when she stops fu**ing him and he goes ,”a little funny in the head “, Dimitri.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Insanitybytes “Actually Keyser Soze, that is the most sensible thing I’ve heard you say yet. Is that not the nature of women and should you not enjoy us?”.

You know Insanity, I pity men who treat women as :
A, equal.
B, adult.
All of you women should be treated like little girls.
Just read Nataliya’s comment, or Dragon ‘s monthly photo change. re read your own comments and the fast name change.

Jeremy
6 years ago

@scribblerg Your comment was drivel. Not surprising that someone who didn’t read my first one skimmed the meaning in all of my comments. Tell me, do you hear me telling you how to speak to other commenters here? I take on your arguments and rationale, you cast personal apsersions and tell me how to behave. Get a grip on yourself. LOL, you’re like a 3rd grader, well if that’s the level of your discourse I guess it’s a great complement to Rollo’s writing that you’re able to understand it. For a recap, here’s scribbler from four days ago: scribblerg October… Read more »

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

@FraudShill:

“And yes, I do appreciate Tomassi not banning me. He is braver than many others, they all quickly descended into hysterics and banned me.”

https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=12730898

Hysterical!

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