Hypergamy Knows Best

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One of the most basic Red Pill principles I’ve stressed since I began writing is the importance of Frame. The dynamic of Frame stretches into many aspects of a man’s life, but in a strictly intergender sense this applies to men establishing a positive dominance in their relationships with women. In a dating context of non-exclusivity (plate spinning) this means, as a man, you have a solid reality into which that woman wants to be included in. Holding Frame is not about force, or coercion, it’s about attraction and desire and a genuine want on the part of a woman to be considered for inclusion into that man’s reality.

Being allowed into a man’s dominant, confident Frame should be a compliment to that woman’s self-perception. It should be a prize she seeks.

This is a pretty basic principle when you think about it. The main reason women overwhelmingly prefer men older than themselves (statistically 5-7 years difference) is because of the psychological impression that men older than a woman’s age should be more established in his understanding of the world, his career, his direction in life and his mastery over himself and his conditions. From an Alpha Fucks perspective, the ambience of mastery makes an older man preferable, while a Beta Bucks older man represents the prospect of dependable provisioning.

In our contemporary sexual marketplace I think this perception – which used to hold true in a social climate based on the old set of books – is an increasing source of disappointment for women as they move from their post-college party years into the more stressful Epiphany Phase.

And once again we also see evidence of yet another conflict between egalitarianism vs. complementarity. Because all things should be equalized, equalism espouses that this age preference should make no difference in attraction, yet the influence of this natural complementary attraction becomes a source of internal conflict.

Women’s self-perception of personal worth becomes wrapped up in a tight egotistical package that’s tells her men – the men she’s convinced she deserves – should be attracted to and aroused by her based on whatever nebulous personal conviction she has, fat-acceptance approved ideas of what men should be hot for, and he ought to be ready to settle into a coequal parental ‘partnership’ when she’s finally ready to do the right thing.

It’s an interesting paradox. On one hand she’s expects a Hypergamously better than equitable pairing with a self-made man who will magically appreciate her for her self-perceptions of her own personal worth, but also to be, as Sheryl Sandberg puts it, “someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home.” In other words, an exceptional, high SMV man, with a self-earned world and Frame she wants to partake of; but also one who will be so smitten by her intrinsic qualities (the qualities she hopes will compensate for her physical and personal deficits) that he will compromise the very Frame that made him worthy of her intimacy, and then reduce himself to an equality that lessens him to her.

The Red Pill Father – Frame

The reason I’m going into this is because of a basic tenet of Frame: The Frame you set in the beginning of your relationship will set the tone for the future of that relationship. That isn’t to say men don’t devolve from a strong Alpha frame to a passive Beta one, but the Frame you enter into a relationship with will be the mental impression that woman retains as it develops. Your establishment and maintenance of a strong control of Frame is not just imperative to a healthy relationship and interaction with a woman, but it’s also vital to the health of any family environment and the upbringing of any children that result from it.

At the Man In Demand conference I was asked about my thoughts on the influence family plays in conditioning boys/men to accept a Beta role in life. Mainly the question was about a mother’s dominant influence on her children’s upbringing and how an unconventional shift in intersexual hierarchies predisposes her to imprinting her Hypergamous insecurities onto her children. It gave me a lot to think about.

A common thread I’ve occasionally found with newly Red Pill aware men is the debilitating influence their domineering mothers and Beta supplicating fathers played in forming their distorted perception of masculinity. I made an attempt to address this influence in the Intersexual Hierarchies posts, however, I intended those essays to provide an outline of particular hierarchical models, not really to cover the individual health or malaise of any of them.

From Frame:

The default pedestalization of women that men are prone to is a direct result of accepting that a woman’s frame is the only frame. It’s kind of hard for most ‘plugged in’ men to grasp that they can and should exert frame control in order to establish a healthy future relationship. This is hardly a surprise considering that every facet of their social understanding about gender frame has always defaulted to the feminine for the better part of their lifetimes. Whether that was conditioned into them by popular media or seeing it played out by their beta fathers, for most men in western culture, the feminine reality IS the normalized frame work. In order to establish a healthy male-frame, the first step is to rid themselves of the preconception that women control frame by default. They don’t, and honestly, they don’t want to.

Post LTR Frame
In most contemporary marriages and LTR arrangements, women tend to be the de facto authority. Men seek their wive’s “permission” to attempt even the most mundane activities they’d do without an afterthought while single. I have married friends tell me how ‘fortunate’ they are to be married to such an understanding wife that she’d “allow” him to watch hockey on their guest bedroom TV,…occasionally.

These are just a couple of gratuitous examples of men who entered into marriage with the frame firmly in control of their wives. They live in her reality, because anything can become normal. What these men failed to realize is that frame, like power, abhors a vacuum.  In the absence of the frame security a woman naturally seeks from a masculine male, this security need forces her to provide that security for herself. Thus we have the commonality of cuckold and submissive men in westernized culture, while women do the bills, earn the money, make the decisions, authorize their husband’s actions and deliver punishments. The woman is seeking the security that the man she pair-bonded with cannot or will not provide.

It is vital to the health of any LTR that a man establish his frame as the basis of their living together before any formal commitment is recognized.

The primary problem men encounter with regard to their marriages is that the dominant, positively masculine Frame they should have established while single (and benefitting from competition anxiety) decays to a Beta mindset and the man abdicates authority and deference to his wife’s feminine primary Frame. This is presuming that dominant Frame ever existed while he was dating his wife. Most men experience this decay in three ways:

  • A decline to his wife’s Frame via his relinquishing an authority he isn’t comfortable embracing.
  • An initial belief in a misguided egalitarian ideal that redefines masculinity has him surrender Frame
  • He was so pre-whipped by a lifetime of Blue Pill Beta conditioning he already expects to live within a woman’s Frame

Of these, the last is the most direct result of an upbringing within a feminine-primary Frame. I think one of the most vital realizations a Red Pill man has to consider is how Red Pill truths and his awareness of them influences the meta-dynamic of raising and instructing subsequent generations.

As I’ve intoned in many a post, Hypergamy is both pragmatic and rooted in a survival-level doubt about its optimization. When a woman’s insecurity about her life-determining Hypergamous decisions are concretely answered by the positively, conventionally, masculine Man who is both her pair-bonded husband and the father of her children, that doubt is allayed and a gender-complementary environment for raising children proceeds from that security.

In a positively masculine dominant Frame, where that woman’s desire is primarily focused on her man, (and where that man’s SMV exceeds his wife’s by at least a factor of 1) this establishes at least a tenable condition of quieting a woman’s Hypergamous doubt about the man she’s consolidated monogamy and parental investment with.

In a condition where that husband is unable or unwilling (thanks to egalitarian beliefs) to establish his dominant Frame this leaves a woman’s Hypergamous doubt as the determinant of the health of the overall family. That doubt and the insecurities that extend from Hypergamous selection set the tone for educating any children that result from it.

In the last post I made the case that deliberately single, primarily female, parents arrogantly assume they can teach a child both masculine and feminine aspects equally well. In the case where a wife/mother assumes the headship of family authority, both she and the Frame abdicating father/husband reverse this conventional gender modeling for their children.

That woman’s dominant Frame becomes the reality not just her husband must enter, but also their children, and also their family relatives. That feminine dominant Frame is one that is predicated on the insecurities inherent in women’s Hypergamous doubts.

Is he really the best she can do?”

Play Don’t Pay had an observation from the last post:

I think this “putting the kids first” phenomenon is very simple to explain. She DOESN’T WANT TO FUCK YOU!
She is using the kids as a shield, a barrier to deflect your UNWANTED BETA SEXUAL ADVANCES.
It is generally accepted that women are only interested in the top 20% of men, and if you are talking about as marriage partners I would agree with this.

However if you are talking about as SEX partners that they are genuinely hot for I would estimate this percentage to be north of 5% add in the frame required to maintain her SEXUAL interest in a marriage / LTR and your probably closer to 1-2%.
It’s really that simple! the women that are with these top tier men, the top 1-2% don’t need to be told to put them before the kids, they do it because he IS more important to her than her kids, because if he leaves she will never be able to replace him with another top tier man now she has his kids in tow.

Top tier men don’t raise other mens children and she knows this instinctively.
If you think you can mitigate this by being top 20% and reading a few articles on frame and dread game then I think you will be disappointed.

Sure you can improve your relationship but your probably not going to be able to command the visceral raw desire that women have for the top tier men that makes the do this shit naturally under their own violation.

“Is he really the best she can do?”

In a feminine-primary Frame, that question defines every aspect of that family’s life and development together. It’s important for Red Pill aware men to really meditate on that huge truth. If you do not set, and maintain, a dominant masculine Frame, if you do not accept you role in a conventional complementary relationship, that woman will feel the need to assume the responsibility for her own, and her children’s, security. Women’s psychological firmware predispose them to this on a visceral, limbic, species-survival level.

I’ve met with countless men making a Red Pill transition in life who’ve related stories about the burdening influence of their domineering mothers and Beta supplicating fathers leading to them being brought up to repeat that Blue Pill cycle. I’ve also counseled guys who were raised by their single mothers who had nothing but spite and resentment for the Alpha Asshole father who left her. They too took it upon themselves to be men who sacrifice their masculinity for equalism in order to never be like Dad the asshole. I’ve met with the guys whose mothers had divorced their dutiful fathers to bang their bad boy tingle generating boyfriends (whom they equally despised) and they too were molded by their mother’s Hypergamous decisions.

And this is what I’m trying to emphasize here; in all of these upbringing conditions it is the mother’s Hypergamous doubt that is the key motivating influence on her children. That lack of a father with a positive, strong, dominant Frame puts his children at risk of an upbringing based on that mother’s Hypergamous self-questioning doubt. Add to this the modern feminine-primary social order that encourages women’s utter blamelessness in acting upon this Hypergamous doubt and you can see how the cycle of creating weak, gender confused men and vapid entitled women perpetuates itself.

Finally, to the guys who are psychologically stuck on the shitty conditions they had to endure because of this cycle, to the men who are still dealing with how mommy fucked them up or daddy was a Beta; the best thing you can do is recognize the cycle I’ve illustrated for you here. That’s the first step. The Red Pill is great at getting you laid, but it’s much more powerful than that; it gives you the insight to see the influences that led to where you find yourself today.

Once you’ve recognized the Red Pill truths behind your Blue Pill conditioning, then it’s time to realign yourself, and recreate yourself in defiance to them. The longer you wallow in the self-pitiful condition that your mother’s Hypergamy and your father’s passive Beta-ness embedded in you, the longer you allow that Blue Pill  schema to define who you are.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Ya gotta click on this. Groups of sorority girls at a Diamondbacks game who can’t get off their phones. The preening and self-absorption and number of selfies is indicative of something every man needs to learn about women. http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/sorority-sisters-cant-stop-taking-selfies-at-baseball-game-watch-2015210

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@Sun – Just getting caught up now and haven’t read the rest of the comments. I think you are essentially setting up the best being the enemy of the good in your analysis of my comments about women throwing betas – you said incels, btw, I said betas – some sex. But let me try and read it back to you the way I see it. According to you, some beta male 4, who hasn’t been touched or kissed or had sex with a woman in two years isn’t going to get some joy and relief from the affectionate sexual… Read more »

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@SJF – Your comments on addiction and PTSD are perhaps the most succinct and lucid distillation of the new science on this topic I’ve ever ready. Bravo, and thanks! As someone who once considered himself an alcoholic (and eventually saw through that lie, but I still don’t drink alcohol and instead smoke some weed when I want to alter my state), and also has CPTSD from childhood abuse, I want to also acknowledge your “realness” as a man who is committed to self improvement. I told you and Forge in no uncertain terms essentially that you were both drunks and… Read more »

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On Red Pill chicks giving betas some sympathy sex and wives/ltrs giving their men a blowjob every morning: – I’m being provocative to make a point that many of you seem unable to grasp, so let me break my POV here down into a stepwise explication to see if I can at least be clear: – RP chick – What does that even mean? Are they on a path of self-improvement? Are they making themselves their own point of mental origin? Or are they our “cheerleaders”, hoping the world will produce more alphas for their enjoyment and to improve their… Read more »

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@scribblerg

Female ego never surprises me anymore.

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@ScribblerG “You took the suggestion.And then to read The Biology of Desire? Just on my reco?” Your one email to me was the most succinct and lucid straight talk of any man to me in my whole life. It really was that simple. Zero drops of alcohol since Aug 1 and I’m not counting the days. I look and feel better and my wife wants to fuck me. Thanks. I had a spontaneous recovery the day after your man to man words to me. Count me as the 41st man you’ve counseled on addiction. (Although in hindsight I wasn’t really… Read more »

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@benfromtexas

And women are called roasties, as in roast beef, as in ugly vagina.

Also, as those sites are influential, I feel all of this discussion might be go more public soon

http://boards.4chan.org/r9k/thread/22894589/facecuck-nohymennodiamond15792701423321

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Re: More on Red Rill chicks So, what is a Red Pill chick then? She’s a woman who “gets it” about male/female sexual dynamics and acts in concert with them. If that’s actually true, remember the important part of my comment. “Learning Implies a Permanent Change in Behavior” – words to live by, fuckers. If you haven’t internalized an idea and changed it into a belief and had it affect your behavior, you don’t really “know” shit. So, if woman internalizes the suffering of MoonFaceFucktard, would she not be moved by it? I mean, I can feel the anguish rippling… Read more »

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@Forge – Dude, exactly on Jeremy. Nice to see how clear you are these days. His arguments seem to be picayune and lifeless to me. Let me be clear about the nature of my commentary here. I’m not making a didactic presentation, I’m having a conversation or engaging in soliloquy or colloquy, I’m not presenting an academic paper. I’m not carefully hewing and finishing off every argument I make. I’m not parsing and spinning – I’m here to make a fucking difference with what I say here. Anklebiting and distinctions without a difference are of not value. This isn’t some… Read more »

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@sjf
You babble too much yourself..convenient story about your profession, btw. I dropped my wife off at the airport, she texted me this..”thanks for driving me to the airport, Next time quit talking so much, GD it ” Do you get it?
The one thing I like about this site is the humbling comments of those trying to find a better way. You come across like the women they, and me, are dealing with.

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“I married his mother shortly after she got pregnant. I was foolish and blue pill. Honestly, she was so irresponsible I didn’t trust her to raise my child alone.”

I hear you. In my case she wanted to run off and have the kid in a hippie commune*). Now, I wish I’d have let her. (*Simon, your pal S.Gaskin…welcome back, …I think!)

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This is Milo an the shootings:

“I might be a raging homo, but I still innately understand the male need to conquer, crush and win. Men need to express that dark, powerful part of themselves, or it can abruptly overflow. If it is suppressed, derided and ridiculed, it can show up without warning and with horrible consequences.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/how-to-stop-mass-shootings/

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@ wackokid

Heheh. Get a mouse with a scroll wheel. And use it.

Some commenter here once said:

“@SJF – Yeah, you comment way too much, lol. Seriously, just know what I get from you is GOLD – no shit. To me, the only issue is whether a comment is adding value and moving the dialog along in interesting ways. The ‘burden’ is to be engaging.”

The reason I’m commenting is for my own selfish masculine self improvement. That is when I’m not giving back.

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@Wacokid – re:SJF – Anklebiting only reduces your standing. Taking cheap shots from the cheap seats is beta, blue pill behavior. Funnily, you cite an example of blue pill betazoid bullshit at an epic level as some offer of proof in your own comment. Get that. You chauffeur your wife to the airport – what, are their no cabs in your town? And then she tells you to shut up over text afterwards? No woman in my life dares speak to me that way and I’d be very surprised if SJF’s does at this point. But hey, keep trying to… Read more »

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Trivial story from yesterday. On travel I meander to the little bookstores, the indies, to see what they have. There was a copy of What do women want? by Daniel Berger in this store, maybe interesting or maybe junk, but something to read. “Words in a line” as Heinlein once wrote. Plus maybe I’ll learn something more on a topic every man should pay some attention to – female sexual response. Or maybe I won’t learn anything, and it’ll go to some used bookstore where some other man might benefit. Calmly handed the book to the clerk, a 40-something woman… Read more »

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@Anonymous – Brilliant. Frame and game go hand in hand. Internal game is another way of saying it, and to my way of thinking, internal game is the only game their is. The Red Pill is an inside job.

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35 years ago I was hypergamed Bmoc, D1 football, Frat boy-animal house style SAE, hot gf. Two months before graduating gf dumps me. I am devestated, turn into a big pussy. Then I find out she is going out with a f ing golfer, belongs to Archania frat-$$$ gf was bugging me about marriage, I had no money, no job at the time and just wanted to graduate. Graduation comes, I barely get the diploma, no gf, pitty party. I move on, a couple months later ex gf calls, wants to see me…Now I have strugling with the breakup but… Read more »

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Re: The Shooting – For any of you unclear about whether there is an actual “epidemic” of “mass shootings” in our society, just read this article. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/10/02/umpqua-community-college-shooting-oregon-mass-shooting-fbi-statistics-column/73199052/ There is no increase in the frequency or severity of these events. What WaPo and others in govt and the media have done is redefine what a mass shooting is in order to create a moral panic so they can promote gun control. In fact, swimming pools are a much greater risk than that of being shot in a mass shooting. Obama did the same thing with “deportations” of illegals. His admin redefined… Read more »

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@Waco – Plenty of beta frat boys, athletes and guys with 7 figure investments.

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Rollo, I have to ask.
Is that supposed to be a woman holding that little boy?

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@Waco – I mean, you are keeping score 35 years later? Lol, you go you alpha dog you!

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@Waco – Methinks you are a “beta-widower”, lol…

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“We are being lied to 24/7 . . . ”

Well, yeah, but that’s only because they keep running out of hours before they run out of lies.

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Liz

Is that supposed to be a woman holding that little boy?

I’m guessing you don’t spend much time around the hipster set?

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@scribblerg,
For the first time I can admit you are a natural alpha.
Have you thought about having your own blog?

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October 3rd, 2015 at 4:09 am

Silence is way underrated.

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“But hey, keep trying to correct him, it’s as instructive as the commentary from that cunt IB.” If you are going to perceive me as a cunt or mentally ill as Tomassi and Dragonfly have tried to state, than your own ability to perceive the truth of the world around you is as severely damaged as that Oregon shooter. Words matter, Tomassi. What I see in Glenn, what I see in many of these men trapped in endless rage, is simply evil. You fuel their brokeness with your own when you label women as the enemy. Are some men helped?… Read more »

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“….what I see in many of these men trapped in endless rage, is simply evil.”

I still don’t see it. What I do see is freedom from constraint.

“The essential masculine ecstasy is in the moment of release from constraint. This could occur when facing death and living through it, succeeding in (and thus being released from) your purpose, and in competition (which is ritual threat of death). The masculine is always seeking release from constraint into freedom. The feminine often doesn’t understand these masculine ways and needs.” D. Deida

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Forge the Sky October 3rd, 2015 at 4:45 am There is only one thing required to do it right. Remove yourself from the source of the pain. The problem with that method is that there is no sure way to calibrate how long it takes for the pain to decay. It may be longer than you want to wait. Thus more active methods. Healing can’t begin until you remove yourself from the source of pain. That is always the first step. The beatings must stop. ============= Meditation and getting laid. Signals. It is all about signals. You can get the… Read more »

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Demonstrative. Never heard women labeled as ” the enemy “. You know, once upon a time long ago, we had to do debate exercises in school. one person in the debate had to adopt an opposing position and never relinquish it until time ( 10 minutes ) had expired. It was a very interesting exercise, but eventually the person who was always in opposition started to sound ridiculous. ” … curing cancer would cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and severely impact the economy…”. To compare debate and conversation with the actions of the Oregon shooter is absolutely unsurprising from… Read more »

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” . . . the person who was always in opposition started to sound ridiculous. ” … curing cancer would cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and severely impact the economy…” And they no doubt found it excellent preparation for a job in government. “To compare debate and conversation with the actions of the Oregon shooter is absolutely unsurprising from . . .” . . . someone who has a fight or flight response to any sort of perceived conflict, i.e. most women. “It is part of a larger false narrative that seeks to further silence men . . .”… Read more »

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“Flailing about in disingenuous righteousness only serves to reinforce that which you so stridently oppose.”

That in itself is a projection that better describes the men here than it describes me.

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October 3rd, 2015 at 3:01 pm
“You fuel their brokeness with your own when you label women as the enemy.”

Where did he specifically do this…in which post did this labelling occur?

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So what exactly is wrong with the men here opposing Hypergamy (the uncaring kind), operative social conventions, The Feminine Imperative, and the (energy sucking) Matrix with genuine righteousness without flailing around? Who is flailing around here? Straw Men?

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“So what exactly is wrong with the men here opposing Hypergamy (the uncaring kind), operative social conventions, The Feminine Imperative..” The uncaring kind? So now you back track and attempt to distinquish that there is a “caring kind” of hypergamy?” “Where did he specifically do this…in which post did this labelling occur?” Women as the enemy? It’s in every single post and reinforced by the comments here. Again, you guys so frequently try to back track, to soften what was actually said because some part of you must recognize that this just isn’t quite right? The Feminine Imperative, hypergamy, women… Read more »

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@scribblerg According to you, some beta male 4, who hasn’t been touched or kissed or had sex with a woman in two years isn’t going to get some joy and relief from the affectionate sexual caring of a compassionate woman? That’s you argument? Puttin words in my mouth there. At no point did I say he won’t find joy or relief from it, but if it’s a pity fuck he’ll just be back in the same situation the next day, week, whatever later. It will not be lasting, and he will just sink deeper in to his own pain. If… Read more »

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Oh, damn. I just realized that by wearing a green shirt today, my actions say women are the enemy.

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“I’m guessing you don’t spend much time around the hipster set?”

Nope. I didn’t even know there was a name for this “look”.
Appears very much like a guy in drag to me.

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October 3rd, 2015 at 4:54 pm

This isn’t an answer to my question(s). So once more: Where did he specifically do this…in which post did this labelling occur?

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Insanitybytes, “Uh, yes you did. Your language,your attitude, your labeling, your relentless rage, all speak to the fact that you perceive women as dangerous, as a threat. The enemy.”

Coming from the mouth who said:
1, let him stink in the attic. (after killing him)
2,using him as a combos to my flowers.

Not one man in here EVER said these words about women.
I bet you, you would do that to your God if he stops serving you.
What a deranged woman you are.
Ps,
I still like you.

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Tomassi, I am not the least bit threatened by men finding their own worth and value. I think that is quite awesome, and yes attractive, too.

However, your attempts to hide behind only being “descriptive rather than prescriptive” is a bit like handing out the recipe for explosives and then saying, “meh, what people do now is not my problem. I was only arming them and describing the enemy.”

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“So now you back track and attempt to distinquish that there is a “caring kind” of hypergamy?”

Hell yes, Bitch, I’ll backtrack 27 years and allow my wife to choose me all over again. That’s the good, caring type of hypergamy.

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“Hate to you is a freed slave. Love to you is a mindful Beta. In the 13 years I’ve been writing I have rarely met a man I’d say ‘hated’ women. But I have had women accuse men of misogyny for merely disagreeing with them.”

Gold.

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” . . . a bit like handing out the recipe for explosives . . . ”

You can buy them off the shelf, without ID, at any filling station, hardware store or supermarket.

But maybe that’s a secret that only men above the age of 6 know.

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@Rollo

This quote right here.

“I don’t write prescriptions. I educated men to be their own doctors. You think the Red Pill is hate directed towards women because educated men no longer want to participate in a schema that since their birth never had their best interest in mind.

Hate to you is a freed slave. Love to you is a mindful Beta. In the 13 years I’ve been writing I have rarely met a man I’d say ‘hated’ women. But I have had women accuse men of misogyny for merely disagreeing with them.”

You just went off on that crazy woman.

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@Dragonfly

That was Gold. Straight up money quote.

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Tomassi: Smell that? You smell that?

IBitch: What?

Tomassi: Freedom From Constraint, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that.
[kneels]

Tomassi: I love the smell of Freedom in the morning. You know, one time we had a blog commented on, for 4 years. When it was all over, I logged on. We didn’t find one of ’em, not one stinkin’ bitch comment. The smell, you know that freedom smell, the whole blog. Smelled like
[sniffing, pondering]

Tomassi: Victory. Someday this war’s gonna end…
[suddenly walks off]

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Someone should tell IB that those sandwiches wont make themselves, neither will the dinner, not to mention everything else…she’s outlived whatever quasi-usefulness she had.

Begone rodent!

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October 3rd, 2015 at 4:54 pm

““Where did he specifically do this…in which post did this labelling occur?”
Women as the enemy? It’s in every single post and reinforced by the comments here.”

If it’s “in every single post” it shouldn’t be too hard to give an example, should it?

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Engaging with that insane cunt is simply not worthwhile, guys. Don’t let her take another thread down the shitter.

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Oh, damn. I just realized that by wearing a green shirt today, my actions say women are the enemy.

Hey! My shirt is green, too. What th’….?

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Whoever is butthurt about the police responding to domestic violence calls doesn’t deserve to live in a first world country. I wish he was born where police don’t care until you get killed (that’s still most part of the world), and had to go to sleep while listening to children’s screams from the room of the next door drunk. I don’t even believe his story it was only for telling his daughter to clean – all parents do it but almost nobody gets cops called on them, if there’s no actual yelling, cursing, throwing things and other threatening behavior involved.… Read more »

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@ Sun – Equating economic/political systems with intersexual dynamics as an argument to undermine my POV is intellectually vapid. Do better… My point, once again, is that a woman truly “getting” male reality might be moved to be a bit more generous with the power she has and actually lay some pussy on the poor bastards like Moonface – who is never going to be an alpha. I don’t know how much clearer I can make it: Not all men can be high value – axiomatically. Some men will always be desolate but all are programmed to crave pussy. Red… Read more »

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“Women are the enemy”. Hmm, the 26 yr old lost girl I personally coach and fuck sometimes just started her own business. She sent me an email on Thursday, here’s what it said. “. I keep saying,” its not If Dad, its When.” and then a small smile comes across his face and I can see how proud he is of my thought processes and that he made this little mind of mine. It feels so amazing to have a plan Glenn. I feel like I’m not so lost anymore. Gahhhh! I’m excited about this… very excited.” She’s been a… Read more »

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“To call protection of the weak ‘evil government oppression’ is just like SJW calling another normal thing ‘evil patriarchy oppression’.” Any limits on that “protection”? The evil isn’t in government exactly but rather in the strong abdicating their responsibilities and outsourcing things like “protecting the weak” to corrupt institutions. Carried to its extreme we allow the gov complete power to protect the weak from everything. Ultimately that protection is a misguided effort to protect people from themselves. So let’s ban guns, and other weapons entirely, and allow any criticism of a parent to result in a CPS investigation. While we’re… Read more »

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“Ultimately that protection is . . .”

. . . absolute power.

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Well Tomassi, even though scribblerg is attempting to vomit obscenities and hatred all over me, I did compel him to rather defensively protest that he does indeed love women, which speaks well to your post, “Are we Our Sister’s Keeper?” Yes, yes you are because mens very sense of worth and value comes from how you perceive yourself in women’s eyes, whether or not you deem yourselves worthy and useful to her. That sucks, I empathize there and I truly believe it is women’s job to show men that they do have worth and value in our eyes. That is… Read more »

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…because mens very sense of worth and value comes from how you perceive yourself in women’s eyes, whether or not you deem yourselves worthy and useful to her. No, dearie. You’re projecting your own female insecurities onto men yet again. Men want women, but do not need them. Women need men, period. All your rather vicious empty-headed banging here is clearly intended to get men to qualify themselves to you, and by proxy to all women. It’s way too late around here for that game to work. And there’s no way anyone with a mean streak such as you have… Read more »

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Go and have a look at the Alexa demographic stats for the blogs of Athol Kay, Mark Manson or Evan Mark Katz. Notice the pattern? All have grossly overrepresented female readership. Did not know that, but at lease in the case of Athol it makes perfect sense ever since he gave his wife some power over comments. The last time I tried to wade through a comment stream it was all about teh wimmenz. Not as bad as $usan Wal$h’s blog became, but heading in that direction. Men don’t read these purple pill blogs much less follow along with their… Read more »

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liz
Nope. I didn’t even know there was a name for this “look”.
Appears very much like a guy in drag to me.

I see some number of manjaws on millennial women…

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@insanitybytes22 “However, your attempts to hide behind only being “descriptive rather than prescriptive” is a bit like handing out the recipe for explosives and then saying, “meh, what people do now is not my problem. I was only arming them and describing the enemy.” It’s so obvious you have absolutely no intention of reaching the merits of what Rollo or anyone else here has written, Keep fishing for victim points amongst men who you insult with ad hominems who don’t care about your games or your pill consumption.Tell yourself you’re a winner when a funeral home is primed to make… Read more »

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@Insanitybytes ,
Deep inside, how do you feel about having to personalities?
There is no red pill women or blue pill women, there are Insanitybytes.
Women know exactly how to suck and swallow, whether she’s red or blue or pink.
Don’t bring Glenn as an example, he is as deranged as you.(sorry Glenn).

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Insanitybytes
“Yes, yes you are because mens very sense of worth and value comes from how you perceive yourself in women’s eyes, whether or not you deem yourselves worthy and useful to her. That sucks, I empathize there and I truly believe it is women’s job to show men that they do have worth and value in our eyes. That is our part of the biological equation.”

PUSSY UBER ALLES.
Sieg hail!
Pussy, pussy.

Fixed it for you.

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@scribblerg

Equating economic/political systems with intersexual dynamics as an argument to undermine my POV is intellectually vapid. Do better…

And you’re intellectually lazy. The fact that Rollo (and many smart guys) equate the two by calling it a sexual market place makes plenty of sense. Ignored everything else after that. Insulting me won’t make me listen. You do better.

Don’t think you just get to bully and I’ll listen. It don’t work that way with me. You know that by now.

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@scribblerg And for the record the reason I don’t care about any further argument with you on the matter is as follows: Do women currently do what you suggest? No. Will women ever do what you suggest? Hell no. Will women ever even do the small thing I suggest and bring their expectations in line with reality? Not without losing a good portion of the male population. Will women, even “Red Pill” women stop fucking hollow Alphas? A couple million years of evolutionary momentum says no. The entire suggestion and debate is just pissing in the wind. You and I… Read more »

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@Sun Wukong

I agree with you. I think Scribblerg’s point was roughly in line with yours – his comments are mostly intended to show the absurdity of women calling themselves ‘red pill’ – when they would never even contemplate doing what he suggests. He’s contrasting that reality with the compassion red pill men see incels clearly warrant.

He’s playing fast and loose with your arguments to make that point. So I’m not faulting you for defending against that shit wink

Not trying to be the Official Scribblerg Interpreter here, I’m just more attentive to subcommunications lately…

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@kfg, M Simon Thank you for your responses to me re: continuing pain. kfg: ‘” . . . am I holding back on something?” Yes. “And the pain changes subtley over time, finding new objects. ” This is transference, an avoidance behaviour. What you are holding back on is the original object(s).” Kinda what I’m afraid of. I’ve done everything I currently know to find the source. I’m running out of ideas. Maybe it’s not something you can force yourself into….I could tell stories about my life. But not now. Suffice it to say the most obvious sources of pain… Read more »

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“liz
I see some number of manjaws on millennial women…”

That’s true.
I don’t see the jaw in the photo, but she’s a strange looking one.
I’d say
Caitlyn Jenner is to Bruce Jenner as
Donald McDonald is to this chick above.

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Ronald.

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I have known a few female incels. Yes, I know, they can get it if they go down to a bar and offer it up, but these ones weren’t willing to do that, and they weren’t attractive women and knew it. The bar is a lot lower for women, true, but I have seen women come across with that level of desperation. To be honest, I wasn’t attracted to them. Some things are attractive or not attractive across genders. Being an asshole is probably beneficial to a woman as well, especially if she’s content attracting and manipulating weak men. I… Read more »

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@ Liz

It’s the Le Cage Aux Faux inspired make up.

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“Poo test” – lol, oh, really, I’ve changed my mind Rollo, don’t ban her. She’s just too rich. As though I’m qualifying for her, wow. I’m just making clear to men here and others that I don’t hate women at all. I do speak straight to them, and don’t tolerate shit from them – but those who I choose to bring into my dominant frame are showered with love and support and protection and wisdom and provisioning (in very small doses, i’d rather cook a meal for a woman than take her to a restaurant). But given the sliver one… Read more »

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@Rollo – Your last comment to IB was a tour de force. No shock about those other blogs, I was nauseated just glancing at Athol Kay’s…

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@scribblerg

You went off brilliantly on her!

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Did not know that, but at lease in the case of Athol it makes perfect sense ever since he gave his wife some power over comments. The last time I tried to wade through a comment stream it was all about teh wimmenz. Not as bad as $usan Wal$h’s blog became, but heading in that direction. MMSL is not “heading in that direction”, it has been a purple pile of gynocentric shit from the beginning, just like HUS. Kay specifically stated numerous times that he deletes comments that advocate Red Pill thought or oppose Marriage 2.0. He’s just another opportunist… Read more »

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@Anonymous – Spot on commmentary above, every word. This in particular “Men want women, but do not need them. Women need men, period. All your rather vicious empty-headed banging here is clearly intended to get men to qualify themselves to you, and by proxy to all women.” But don’t get carried away. A woman can only get a man to qualify for her if the man cares about her opinion. Putting a cunt in her place is not “qualifying”. This is also a forum where tens of thousands of men lurk, as do many women and there is value to… Read more »

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Zed once proposed that Spearhead should be a male only zone. It didn’t fly with Welmer Ah, Welmer. He really revealed himself to be a fucking wanker before he deleted his lame-ass website. In his last posts he was shitting all over MRAs and MGTOWs and predicted that they’ll side with rabid feminists in the culture war against blameless tradcons. Wtf? He was completely eviscerated by some family court, and yet decided to start cohabiting with another broad and sired yet another child. What kind of idiot do you have to be to do something like that? He’s a typical… Read more »

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@Sun – Say’s you. Amazing how you know the future and how women will react. IRL, I can get women to do things you never think they would. I’m doing an experiment here to see if that svengali like/hypnotic effect can be transmitted to RP chicks via a blog. If just one of them gives a sympathy hand job to someone like MoonFace, my work here is worthwhile. Women can be manipulated into having sex in many, many ways and this is really just an experiment. “Will women, even “Red Pill” women stop fucking hollow Alphas?” – Who says they… Read more »

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Whenever I read online calls for more male self-improvement, I’m reminded that Roosh is advocating the same thing, yet at the same time he writes one detailed article after another describing how such attempts at self-improvement are bound to have more and more diminishing returns in a world that is less and less suited for sane men. Funny guy, he is.

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This is serious shit going on (with all this feminism, etc.). It’s a global scale social engineering. It’s more than “global shit test”. Women are puppets here (tools only, useful idiots) – at early stage they benefit from it (“Matrix” protects them by law & media), but later they will be equal to men (read: equally enslaved). Goal is to make the ultimate beta male society – because it will not be able to perform any revolution! So elites/royals will continue to rule this planet. These “master-race” psychopaths will do anything to keep their positions. To be successful (to fight… Read more »

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@Forge – Suggestion: Try releasing all attachment and resistance to your emotional states. Imagine yourself as a cup of tea. Your emotions/thoughts are the tea and you are the cup. Cultivate the ability to be “the listener” so you have thoughts and feelings, instead of being them. Analyzing trauma an pain are important as one must be aware of what’s going on with themselves in order to deal with it, but the solution is always the same. The most brilliant bit of wisdom imparted to me when i was a practicing Buddhist was by an amazing master, an older Vietnamese… Read more »

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Many men suffer from childhood trauma. In my family system, only the boys got beaten. Men suffer the majority of child abuse, yet women run around as though they have cornered the market on abuse – again, their solipsistic nature makes me puke on this count.

It’s also a fairly convenient distraction from the fact that child abuse is often either committed, or indirectly facilitated, by women.

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Folks, Another amazing thread. I have a busy weekend so I was unable to read all the responses but I wanted to respond to the people who gave me some input. First, I appreciate it to all. Two, in order of Appearance: @kobayashii1681, ”Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes.” – Carl Jung Introspection…this and perseverance. Take time…it’s a journey. I think introspection is innate to men, but like the alphaness, it is socialised out of us, just in case one day we’re like “tha fuck?!….I’m outta here!” and realise that the game is rigged. This makes sense on… Read more »

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Hey Seraph. That is a wonderful summary of where you are at and how you are feeling. Reminds me of Forge the Sky’s comment in the past: “I’ve found that, in general, RP and game feel more like the awakening of buried impulses than the addition of foreign behaviors.” I don’t take your tone as irritation at all. We’re on the same side. I agree entirely that your wife has to step up her game. Give her time. It takes time. Don’t resent her for that. You said: “Yes, but a woman who is deficient needs to make herself a… Read more »

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SJF – Regarding Myers/Briggs: Future ex-wife and I were in a pre-marriage class at my church. Part of it was a compatibility test. Test results come back and we are far apart. Right in front of me she just rips it up and says we’re going to ignore it! How reassuring. I had next to no ability to cope with something like that at the time. I’ve internalized some things since, but some of the spontaneous stuff is still not in my wheelhouse. I did not have good frame, but nothing I’ve learned so far has moved me to think… Read more »

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I had an employee that needed some help 10 months ago. She was a key employee and I didn’t want to lose her. I tried to get her to take a Meyers Briggs personality so I and the other employees could help her perceived problems with another two key employees. She was on the verge of quitting. I figured we would play to her strengths and not push her weakness buttons (she refused on the advice of her clinical psychologist son–he of course said MBTI are for shit). Turns out she has lots to hide and I diagnosed BPD traits.… Read more »

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SJF, I’m surprised a BPD refused a Meyers-Briggs, since it doesn’t take much to game that test, and BPD’s are nothing if not cunning.

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She’s not that bright. BPD’s can be skillful and have mastery over their domain. She’s not one of them. But she’s very functional as a receptionist. One more note is that Seraph and Striver allude to red pill advanced skillsets. I think there is more importance on Game (including married man game which is harder than single man game–you’re basically stuck with the partner until you are not) than on Red Pill “awareness”. I just happen to be very highly motivated to elevate my game and am a good learner and can adapt well. I’m “stuck” with a good one… Read more »

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@scribblerg

Sometimes you’re just a really angry guy whose hubris leads him in to fights not worth having. This is one of those times.

I summed up my disagreement using my position as an example, yes. Do you honestly think though that I’m getting emotional over what you’re saying simply because I did that? I’d say the emotional one is the one that’s fastest to resort to anger and name calling, and for that person you need only look in a mirror.

Learn to chill a bit, bro.

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“I only know what’s worked for me and for the men who’ve related their gratitude for my presenting TRP to them. I don’t write prescriptions; I want men to write their own. I’m not interested in creating better men; I’m interested in men recreating themselves as better men.” Yes, but a great deal of what you write is actually about women. So the focus becomes “women are this negative thing, feel free to treat them accordingly”. It’s like the secular version of Dalrock with his relentless parade of crafty harlots and child murderers. [coming from a woman who pardons women’s… Read more »

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@ Sun & scribblerg Learn to chill a bit, bro. Which was my point to scribbler from the beginning… I used the sentence: Go easy on the ladies. And a 52 year old man who fancies himself alpha lost his shit. Nice frame hold there scribber, great example for the guys. I like how you implied power over women and physical threat on the internet without directly implying it, as if that’s never been tried before. Go back and read my original reply to you, and see how you literally lost any sense of cohesive thought from one sentence I… Read more »

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Sorry, Rollo, but I just left a comment that probably went to moderation for a single link to an Ian Ironwood’s article and clarifies what the red pill actually is. Also clarifies why what IB just said is categorically wrong. I would appreciate if you would check and release it from moderation. Thanks.

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@Seraph: Exactly. I think most men especially if you’re raised in a traditional family without too much TV in your former years…it’s always this nagging feeling you get, or that confidence you carry as a young boy when you unknowingly use amused-mastery on other young girls, aunties or your mom even….but from the 80s and being fed a plethora of rom-coms, soaps, women’s literature, aggressive socialisation, you always try to snap back to this ‘kafkaesque reality’…but, the red pill is innate, it’s always there…. For me it was the relationships me & my boy were in…we had completely supplicated…and we… Read more »

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@Insanitybytes,
As you know, some brothers here had some “misunderstanding” regarding “mercy fuck”, I would like to have your say about it, I mean, how does Mr. bytes feels about it?
As you said before, you believe in “mercy fuck”.

My second question is;
As you know of your “pussy is power” don’t you think Mr. Bytes needs to find a younger pussy that is worth serving instead of serving your old pussy?
Don’t you see why you hate the “red pill “?

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