Planned Obsolescence

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The mainstream loves a salacious story about the sexual misconducts of men. With the recent Ashley Madison data leak the narrative was one of blaming and shaming the overwhelming majority of men who signed up for an account to cheat in their spouses. This has resulted in more than one suicide. A topic of the Man in Demand Q&A session I fielded was how the Red Pill lens isn’t limited to just scoffing at the Blue Pill in popular media, but that it also gives men a sensitivity and awareness to better understand the motivations for social narratives like this.

Red Pill aware men understand that if there is an opportunity to cast blame or doubt on a man over his sexual impulse, or the consequences for allowing it to lead to behavior that conflicts with a feminine-primary social order, shaming will always be the go-to, socially acceptable strategy. Sex will always be a clichéd thumbscrew to gauge men’s personal resolve, and this is a built-in failsafe of control for the Blue Pill’s conditioning of men.

Red Pill men understand the motivating incentives for this “cheating” and that in a westernizing culture, 50%+ of marriages are clinically and practically sexless, it’s not hard to understand the want for a man to find some temporary sexual release in infidelity, porn or delusions of emotional infidelity. It’s also easy to understand how the paradox of commitment would drive such men to suicide.

This is simply one data point of many in a larger Red Pill awareness that indicates some very uncomfortable truths women need to confront; whether single or married, men will actively seek a practical solution to their sexlessness. And it is just this sexual problem solving that will ultimately challenge women’s unilateral, social and personal power over their own Hypergamy. On a limbic level women and the imperative are aware of this challenge. Thus, it’s controlled for by investing in conditioning men to feel guilt or shaming for ever embracing their masculine sexual nature. It’s a threat.

Keep this fact in mind as I explore today’s topic. Women and feminine-primary culture have done an amazing job at commodifying women’s singular, primary agency with men – their physicality and sexual availability. It’s de rigueur in the manosphere to write articles about women reducing themselves to being next to valueless to men beyond their sexual attributes. I’ve written in the past about women’s commodifying love and sex, however recently women are being forced to face the realities of making their sexuality a commodity.

What women, both prominent and insignificant, are coming to realize is that the ultimate plan of feminism (destroying the evolved, complementary family structure of parenting) is really a planned obsolescence for womankind. As I was coming to this realization I found it rather ironic that only 5 years ago we had the likes of Hannah Rosin profiting from the idea that men were (or were becoming) obsolete. Five years later it appears the fear now is that it’s women who will become obsolete in the most literal, commodified sense. That fear is beginning to show.

In the Future Sexbots will Drink Feminist Tears

If you follow me on twitter or you’re even peripherally aware of MSM gender sensationalism in a Red Pill context you’ll know that the topic du jour this week is the coming, realistic, availability of robotic sex partners and the efforts being made to legislate against their development by ‘concerned’ women. Heartiste and many other manosphere writers naturally picked up on this. I particularly enjoyed Milo Yiannopoulos’ piece Sexbots: Why Women Should Worry.

But male sexual appetites are easily satisfied, despite what women will tell you. Blow jobs really aren’t that difficult, and in any case most blokes are fine with a pizza and a wank. For many men, sex is a nice bonus, but it’s not essential. When you introduce a low-cost alternative to women that comes without all the nagging, insecurity and expense, frankly men are going to leap in headfirst.

One of the primary and evolved differences in men and women’s neural firmware is that men are natural and intrinsic problem solvers. I’ve pointed it out in many an essay; men are wired to solve problems with a rudimentary, deductive logic process. It’s one of the reasons we get ourselves into such horribly misled predicaments with women; we expect a binary, A to B to C level of reason with women (reinforced by equalist ideology) and deductively try to solve a sex and intimacy problem with them.

Improvisation and innovation are what we do to live better; one reason men naturally view women as sex objects is literally due to wiring in our brains that predispose us to using tools. So it’s really not much of a stretch to see how men will use this inventiveness to solve a need for sex. And in an intersexual social environment that’s predicated on the commodification of sex, well, you can see how the advancement of sexual substitutes and virtual sexual experiences would be driven by supply and demand.

It’s science fiction at this stage, but the ball is rolling and this is causing the Feminine Imperative to confront uncomfortable possibilities with just the proposition of having a sexual monopoly disrupted be the innovations of men.

Do Robots Dream of Electric Sin?

As might be expected, Dalrock took a shot at this story from a Christian moralistic angle – would sex with a convincing facsimile of a woman qualify as sinning?

InnocentBystanderBoston had a good comment in that thread:

Aside from the purely moral question, there is another risk regarding sexbots. Our economy is built on the expectation that men will be motivated by marriage to produce in excess of their own needs. As we continue to degrade marriage, sexbots will be there to fill the gaps.

…with unilateral divorce law and the accompanying cash and prizes awarded to the female courtesy of judges immersed in the feminist imperative, I think s-xbots pretty much end marriage. If marriage isn’t completely destroyed forever with version 2.0, the s-xbot will most certainly destroy it. And why? The s-xbot will always give you s-x on demand. It will stay at home, faithful to you. It will not spend your money and ruin your credit rating. It will not get a judge to sign a restraining order against you. It can’t divorce you and take cash and prizes. It will never age maintaining its peak SMV forever (if you believe in Rollo’s charts.) So that will pretty much be it for feminism. Without the surplus wealth created by men to subsidize the parasitic nature of feminist centric Marriage 2.0, there can be no feminism. Women are net wealth consumers. Without husbands, there lives will ONLY be in decline. The feminist imperative can NOT allow these s-xbots to be made.

On a rudimentary level feminism has always recognized that women’s only real agency with men is sex. We can see this in the feminine-centric commodification of sex, and we can see this truth in (third wave) feminism’s embrace of sex positivity – but again, only within the confines of a feminine-centric and unilaterally feminine controlled context for that sex to happen in.

The increasingly more accepted Yes Means Yes legalistic checklist that underwrites sexual relations (for what feminists know will always be defined by ambiguous circumstances) is a glaring example of this litigious overreach in an effort to lock down unilateral control of Hypergamy for women. This is the degree of paranoia that the doubt of Hypergamous insecurity inspires in those women less capable of intrasexual competition with their sisters to secure it.

When granted the social facilities to do so, women will always base their personal choices, their personal ideologies, their social order and their legislative doctrines around relieving themselves of Hypergamous doubt and insecurities. In truth, women’s evolved socio-sexual filtering ensures that there is no practical relief from this. There is no 100% assuredness of Hypergamous choice; Hypergamy doubts optimization even after the best of choices, but if given the power, women will build a social order around an attempt to mutually allay that doubt, allay that sexual competition anxiety, and all at men’s expense and disempowerment.

Becoming Obsolete

If you ever need an example of the duplicity with which the Feminine Imperative really aligns itself with equalism, look no further than how that “equality” is expressed with preferring pro-feminine solutions to social problems.

There is a fundamental fear women experience in just the prospect of not having 100% control over their sexual selection, sexual strategy and ultimately optimization of their Hypergamy. Anything that challenges women’s unilateral control of their Hypergamous power – such as prostitution, male hormonal birth control, female viagra, DNA testing for paternity and now sexbots – must be ruthlessly and preemptively legislated against if feminine social primacy is to be maintained. Even the idea of sexbots destroying women’s monopoly on sex, however fantastical, must be eliminated before it becomes a threat.

Kathleen Richardson, a professor at De Montfort University in England, serves as an excellent example of this axiom:

“Sex robots seem to be a growing focus in the robotics industry and the models that they draw on — how they will look, what roles they would play — are very disturbing indeed,” she told the BBC.

She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women and the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical.

“We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women,” she said.

I would agree that it is detrimental in these terms, but the fear of losing feminine primacy is evident in just the prospect of sexbots.

The squid ink here is the concern for reinforcing “traditional stereotypes” of women for the almost unanimously male demographic who’d buy a sexual substitute (notice there is no call for creating morbidly obese variants of sexbots). The real fear is that men prefer that stereotype and it would force women to confront the truth that if they don’t accommodate men’s physical and psychological preferences (conventional femininity) they will progressively devalue women’s sexual agency over them by opting for the sexbot.

And that is a very pressing threat to women’s control over Hypergamy.

What were witnessing here is the acknowledgement that shaming men for their inventiveness in resolving their sexual needs isn’t working. Thus the social and legislative power the Feminine Imperative wields has to be invoked. Naturally there will be “think of the children” appeals and the admonishments of dehumanization on the part of men, but the binary truth is that women’s prime commodity (sex) could be reduced to making women obsolete.

The following is an exchange between Vitriol and YaReally from the last post.

“However, the biggest secret they all want to hide is that using money, whether doing something like you described or paying for pussy outright, is the most efficient way to get laid. If your main goal is to get laid as much as possible, does it matter whether you followed some arbitrary rules that some guy posted on the internet along the way? ”

lol brb taking a helicopter to the top of Mount Everest because it’s more efficient than those dumbasses who actually CLIMB it. It DOES matter to men who’s goal isn’t “to get laid as much as possible” but is “to get laid by girls who are legitimately into me, as much as possible”. To each their own.

If we accept the Pareto Principle as a rough guideline, 80% of men are Betas who simply don’t care to, or accept that they don’t have the capacity to, concern themselves with learning how to “get laid with girls who are genuinely into them.” They’ll create every manner of rationale to convince themselves that the girl who solves his sexual thirst is genuinely into him, or he’ll opt for the most available, most feasible, means to resolve that sexual deprivation. The ubiquitousness of free, easily accessible, streaming hi-def pornography is a testament to this dynamic.

Whether the reality of convincing sexbots is ever achieved isn’t really relevant in this equation, the fear of losing primary control of Hypergamy is what’s at stake. We see this fear manifested in criminalizing prostitution and the shame of men seeking sexual release via pornography and Ashley Madison accounts.

Recently I was asked about my take on the legal pushback on the part of women to regulate or outright ban the FDA approval of the female form of Viagra. From the socially acceptable perspective the fear is that the drug might be used as another (more effective) date rape drug. From a Red Pill perspective the fear is, once again, rooted in women’s fear of men circumventing women’s sexual strategy by chemically influencing their arousal process.

It’s one thing to forcibly rape a woman and thereby take control of her Hypergamous choice, but it quite another to prompt her into engaging in sex she is influenced to by some extrinsic means. As such, women’s sexual selection and Hypergamous optimization is effectively mitigated if not removed from the sexual equation by an invention of men. So once again we see the nervous efforts of the Feminine Imperative to ban any prospective attempts by men to exercise even a marginal control over Hypergamy.

Women have access to safe and legal abortion (a Hypergamous control), but a drug that might influence their libido and thus lead them to sexual choices they might no otherwise control and make, even the idea of that innovation needs regulation. Remove women from the sexual selection and arousal process and you make their only value – the value westernized women have systematically established for themselves – effectively obsolete.

That’s not a judgement call. Women tend to conflate their personal, intrinsic value with their sexual market value. However, in the SMP that is predicated upon women’s only value to men being sexual (not as life mates, mothers, or personal worth), the monopoly of sexual leverage becomes toothless.

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Fred Flange, holistic tasse kaffee
Fred Flange, holistic tasse kaffee
10 years ago

Besides Cosmo there’s the Jezebel thread SJW stomping on the Asheville coffeeshop guys. The Jezzie commenters as you would expect run the gamut of SJW shaming tactics chronicled in the recent Atlantic article on trigger warnings (including a couple mansplaining white knights forced to swallow gobs of privilege). I.e,, catastrophizing, accentuating the negative, AMALT, let’s kill and burn them, nobody ever anywhere buy their stuff, take their money, now picket their houses, do Westboro Baptist Church craziness. Still, informed by the discussion here, I now detect fear and panic in the more shrieking than usual stridency. All is lost: men… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago

Twitter is on fire about Holistic Game’s implosion.

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

“What aspects of femininity do we think would be value added features in a woman, above and beyond what she is sexually?”

Respect
Elegance
Grace
Submission
Trust
Nurturing
Compassion
Loyalty

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

Take care, men ,to not trust the Internet as the final yardstick of progress. I don’t. I listen to other men and to women. The 20-something men seem to be getting clued in faster than older men did. I don’t run across many White Knights in the under-30 set, in stark comparison to the over-40’s. Boomer farts are the worst about White Knighting in my experience. This is not to say that the 20-something women are all that great, a lot of them are solipsistic airhead Facebook addicts, and any man who chooses LTR vs. plate spinning has a whole… Read more »

lh
lh
10 years ago

“It’s interesting that women have commodified their sexual value so thoroughly, but in spite of that men still WANT that unicorn who offers more than this? Why? What aspects of femininity do we think would be value added features in a woman, above and beyond what she is sexually?” I’ve been thinking about this for days now and I can’t find a conclusion. For most things I’d be interested in “a person” (like getting intellectual stimulation) men are usually far better. The advantage of women seems to be how they are willing to follow your intellectual interests (and not theirs,… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

Skimming the Jezebel article, those two Asheville men really failed to maintain any sort of security. Now theirs business is hosed, and the SJW’s are definitely out to punish them endlessly.

Any White Knights out there still want to debate the issue of anonymity / pseudoanomity at this point?

Fred Flange, holistic tasse kaffee
Fred Flange, holistic tasse kaffee
10 years ago

And speaking of the FEAR: Two pages up I reported on high-school dating being dead. Here’s a bit of evidence why that’s happening. This is one of the mansplainers from the Jezzie Asheville coffee shop thread on how he raised his dick-swinging kid up real good: “This, among others, was a great fear of mine when I had a boy. I have been a single father for 5 years, to my now 12-year-old son. Our first talk was about inappropriate touching, when he was entering school, at age 5. He learned the mechanics at 7, along with the rules of… Read more »

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

I would argue that many of the “homemaker traits” fall into the submission category and are daily validations provided to a high value man. Totally agree. It’s such a sweet gesture when my wife happily makes me a sandwich. She genuinely wants to do it. I’d much rather have a woman happily make me a sandwich than buy me a TV or something. A funny thing… My wife is one of those super couponers… She shows me how great of a deal she got for some shit. It turns me on. Weird right? lol. It’s how we’re fucking wired. You… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

That Cosmo article doesn’t load properly for me, which is just as well. But from the fragmented content I could read it sounded like one of the bloggers at holistic game offered an apology?

Dear god why? Apologizing for describing sex acts? Why the hell does anyone need an apology for that?

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

“Dear god why? Apologizing for describing sex acts? Why the hell does anyone need an apology for that?”

Probably the sexual harassment complaints, gender discrimination (if any were employees), rape accusations, lawsuits if they filmed voice or video (even security footage)

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

Dear god why? Apologizing for describing sex acts? Why the hell does anyone need an apology for that?

Investors in his coffee shop? I have no idea.

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

@Pallaeon – I empathize with your perspective and you must ask yourself if there is any value in women beyond sexual gratification, domestic subservience and companionship with very limited intellectual reciprocation. These in my experience are the only benefits available. This is not because women should be able to offer more, but because they cannot offer more. They are incapable of offering more because they are nothing more. I suspect your inquiry is based upon the hope or supposition that there is more to women than there is and implores a more complete and more satisfying manifestation of women based… Read more »

SJF
SJF
10 years ago

@Roused September 23rd, 2015 at 8:01 am “It’s quite an internal struggle coming to grips with all of this, especially after years of pathetic addiction and allowing women to walk all over me. Overcoming the shame of this and just writing here helps to admit the sh*t that it was and still is. Sometimes I feel like I need a 12-step program to get through this, will be a slog for a while until I right my path on a daily basis. Rollo and many of you have inspired me, truly. Thanks guys for having the balls and insight to… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

Oh My God…. Since the news broke, two individuals have come forward to Our VOICE alleging they’ve experienced sexual violence from the Waking Life owners, says Wind. She explained that the definition of sexual violence is broad and can include any action relating to sex — from a catcall to posting on a blog to rape — that an individual did not consent to. “They have consented to have sex with a person, but they didn’t consent for it to be a part of this larger conversation, so some survivors may not realize that they are survivors,” she said over… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Rollo

Once we can list a few, the next question is why are those attributes valuable to men?

I can take a stab at that: beyond the obvious “it just makes his life easier and allows him to focus on his mission”, they indicate her genuine, non-negotiated interest and therefore indicate a higher likelihood of successful long term mating.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

In that case, every single man on earth is a sexual predator, and amazingly women are excused from this kind of open communication. Hell, they’re even encouraged to denigrate men for their sexual performance if they didn’t like it.

Well, sure. The second set of books, right? Is this a surprise that there’s one standard for women’s behavior that is vastly different from any standard for men? And any time anyone points this out, it’s NAWALT all the way down.

BigAl
BigAl
10 years ago

Vetting for LTRs is definitely important. As a millennial, I got kinda burned out spinning plates. Too many chicks that are so empty and bring nothing to the table. But there are always diamonds in the rough I guess.

Ive never met a white knight millennial honestly

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

“Submission is validation. If you get a woman to submit to you, she is validating your contribution to her life, and by extension, to your place in the husbandry of the “line.” I would argue that many of the “homemaker traits” fall into the submission category and are daily validations provided to a high value man.” Be very careful here. If you need someone else’s submission to confirm your validation to yourself, then who is in the position of power? If your approval of your self is dependent upon someone else submitting to you, then you are providing that other… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@NBTM,

Perhaps the word choice needs to be questioned. Validation as opposed to provided value. I was responding to Pellaeon, so I think it would need to be questioned there. It might be better to follow Rollo’s response in thread to Pellaeon.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Jeremy

So… in todays world.. a woman is a “survivor” of sexual violence if a man openly discusses his sexual experience with her without her consent?

Brought to you by the same philosophy that brought us “all intercourse is rape”.

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@Sun

I would think such a perspective would totally redefine performance reviews at nevada brothels.

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

“Ive never met a white knight millennial honestly”

LOL!

Have you met ANY millennialist?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Jeremy

I believe you mean “rape vendors”, patriarchal shitlord.

Blaximus
Blaximus
10 years ago

@Pellaeon ” I find myself aggreeing with RazorbladeKandy on the matter- even if all women were to cease their bitchiness and re-adopt the role of “happy homemaker” wives it won’t solve the issue of women detonating the marriage and taking the children with them. Even the “red pill” and “anti-feminist” women, as you detailed in your post about the soccer mom, still clamor about “misogyny” and work in the interest of women’s power over men. Unless you’re taking about completely rolling back women’s right to vote and kicking then completely out of the workforce, you won’t see the decline in… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
10 years ago

@Jeremy-

No.

The pertinent question is who’s satisfaction matters and at what cost?

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@Sun

Well that’s totally different. I can talk about my cash-purchased “rape vendor experience” all I want, right? I mean, it was supposedly non-consensual to begin with, so there’s no contractual violation to begin with.

Fred Flange, holistic tasse kaffee
Fred Flange, holistic tasse kaffee
10 years ago

@Jeremy
The OneVoice definition of “sexual violence” is the same one used in the recently released Rutgers “survey” with a like 40% reporting rate of “sexual violence”. Most of which had to be labeled as such by the surveyors, as the women respondents (who weren’t that many) didn’t categorize their encounters beyond what they were, i.e., rude remarks or clumsy kino.
Hence an expulsion for “sexual violence” – what normal folk would consider a forcible physical assault – could include a misheard offer for a coffee date.

More sauce for the sex-averse goose.

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

List of innate female contributions:

Birthing and Nursing babies
Nurturing and compassion for children that fall down and scrape their knee. (I have zero compassion for scraped knees)

List of contributions that an Alpha can bring out of a woman:
Desire for sex
Desire to please
Respect
Love
Joie de Vivre / General femininity

So basically the question we should ask. An Alpha can make a housewife, but can a housewife make an Alpha?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Jeremy You know, the logic almost follows (if I wasn’t being facetious, of course) that you wouldn’t talk about it. A man speaking about his sexual experiences is describing (or worse bragging about) raping a woman. A woman, on the other hand, is just going through the grieving process and empowering herself. I always hold that women are just as logical as men, they’re just provided with a set of axioms completely out of line with reality to reason from. The conclusions from fucked up axioms will of course be fucked up conclusions, even if the process of getting there… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

Jeremy, NBTM has a point. A man who needs validation from a woman is not the same thing as a man who benefits from that validation. Outcome independence is necessary not just for plate spinners but for LTR’s and yes, even married men. Needing validation from a woman is a sure way to give her control over you, and we all know where that leads. In the partner dance world it’s called “backleading”, in the alternative sex world it’s “topping from the bottom”. Women need men,although there’s a huge industry devoted to denying this. Men want women. The difference is… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@Fred Flange

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Watson

Also, if you want to see a woman who didn’t age well at all, check out Rebeccas more recent youtube videos. She hit the wall *HARD*

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@NBTM & Anonymous

I was not disagreeing at all with NBTM. I was conceding that I believe I was using the wrong words at the prompting of the comment I was responding to. I agree with what NBTM said.

Blaximus
Blaximus
10 years ago

“Sexual Violence ” in all of it’s bullshit incarnations will be the last piece of the puzzle of shutting men down, even on the basest level. Watching this nonsense go unchallenged is almost frightening….if I subscribed to fear that is. If I bought into these insane arguments, I’d have been a rapist for over 30 years, and possibly this evening. Psychological warfare is a real bitch…” Ohhh, I’m innocent and you took great advantage of me!!!! Just because I got into bed with you naked and blew you didn’t mean I wanted sex!!!! You forced me to moan and orgasm!!!… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  Blaximus

@Sun Wukong “Acknowledging the reality of who you actually are inside allows you better control over the actions you take in the end.” That to me is part of personal responsibility. @Jeremy “Arousal is a mental process that is (not can be, IS) altered by your socialization experiences.” Interesting you bring that up. Trauma especially with males demonstrates this. http://www.adoptionsupport.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Module-5-Handout-5.3.pdf “Therefore it’s either a common mutation, or a result of biology and sociology combining. I would suggest that biology allows significant variation in what males can find arousing, and that in less-than-perfect childhood situations that variation turns into pedophilia (and… Read more »

YaReally
10 years ago

@Sun Wukong @Forge the Sky @SJF @can’t remember who else was on the podcast: This is why I keep stressing not to give away too many personal details if you keep the podcast up: http://ashevilleblog.com/waking-life-espresso-is-under-fire/ https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50547.html And holy shit look at this one: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50547-post-1117195.html#pid1117195 No one needs to see your faces, no one needs to know what city you’re in, no one needs to know what your job is, no one needs to know what venues you hit up, no one needs a deep physical description of yourself or any standout features you have, no one needs to know what… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Blaximus

The centrifical force of our ancestors simultaneously spinning in their graves will knock Earth off of it’s axis and send us hurtling into the damn sun.

You’re looking at this wrong. If we attach magnets to the coffins and windings to the bodies, we could have an unlimited power source. We could literally power our civilization on bullshit!

Blaximus
Blaximus
10 years ago

@Sun

Good one.

In a way, civilization is already powered on bullshit….

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

Moral panic time at Jezebel, as shown in this comment:

…this whole story has me spooked because I know dudes like that are everywhere, lurking behind the cute smile at my local coffeeshop…

They are also outraged at the idea of plate spinning.

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

Sexbot batteries don’t last forever, so ideally we would power sexbots with the grave turning of our ancestral male population.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

@Rollo Tommasi
“What aspects of femininity do we think would be value added features in a woman, above and beyond what she is sexually?”

rugby11ljh
Intuition

Seriously?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

@SJF “Demonstrate don’t explicate. Talking about it will give those that know you the impression that you are trying to trick them or put one over on them (because they know the old you).” rugby11ijh Now I see what I’ve been doing wrong. Because they know the old “me.” This is one of the problems that a man in an LTR / marriage has after serious betaization – the woman has surely become used to being able to dominate him in all the usual female ways, and when he begins changing she will, she must, intensify all shit testing and… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

Women’s “intuition” is a myth.

More like women worry, fret, and turn everything into a negative at all times. Occasionally that works out in there favor when shit actually goes wrong.

Then they run to a man to fix it.

Men: Glass Half Full
Women: Glass Half Empty
Feminists: This Glass was Raped!

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@CaveClown

Feminists: This Glass was Raped!

Red Pillers: Dude I’ve been picking glass shards out of my dick all day…

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

“For those men who, for whatever reason, can’t do that the road is a bit long and winding.” It’s been my experience that this just isn’t possible. I suppose it depends on the man, the woman, and the context, but holy shit is it hard. In my experience anyway, even if she does start to come around and live in my frame, she only does so begrudgingly. There is no real desire. No real attraction. No real urgency. No real willingness to please. Having a women do what you want, but do so begrudgingly, is soul destroying. Soul destroying is… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

*level of disrespect she had shown me

BigAl
BigAl
10 years ago

@NBTM I make an effort to only hang out with people worth my time. Ive got my good friends and dont really make new ones. Thankfully Ive avoided white knights haha, im sure they are out there

Fred Flange, holistic tasse kaffee firesale
Fred Flange, holistic tasse kaffee firesale
10 years ago

Holy shit indeed, Msgr. YaReally:

http://ashevilleblog.com/op-ed-men-of-waking-life-are-small-part-of-bigger-problem/

An Asheville white knight Op-Ed decrying the BAD MAN but look at the comments – which say the author Sir Mansplain is a Sexual Violencer too!

Oh yeah, FYI, all RedPill guys are Elliott Rodger. But you already knew that.

My head hurts. Need coffee. Will bang my head on the urn.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Fred It’s bullshit, and I think it’s about time we reclaimed #datingadvice. “Shit, they’re not following The Narrative. Must reassert The Narrative!” What’s funny in seeing that is they’re going to push the same advice that is everywhere. The same advice that lead me to say to friends and family “I’ve given up, nobody has any new advice” just before finding the first new advice I’d ever seen in 25 years here. It was specifically in trying to avoid the advice they’re going to give that had proven not to work in my life that I found The Red Pill.… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

In my experience anyway, even if she does start to come around and live in my frame, she only does so begrudgingly. There is no real desire. No real attraction. No real urgency. No real willingness to please. But if she’s obeying, even grudgingly, that’s a step back rebellion. I know that there are people who denegrate “fake it till you make it”, but I’ve used that in my own life to know it works. It works on dogs and horses; you may be a bit afraid of 800 pounds of animal that can mess you up, but if you… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@Sun I was going to comment on that exact thing. Unfortunately firefox crashed on me and I rebooted to clear memory leaks. It’s hilarious. These people accept the premises they’ve been given, that men are all predatory and by default them exercising their sexual freedom is evil. They seem to think that men need to be taught consent even harder because the “lack of consent” is somehow the problem. It never occurs to them that the sexual revolution let women give consent at whim, and put all responsibility on them for their sexual consent. Somehow all men are still responsible… Read more »

kfg
kfg
10 years ago

” . . . if you want to see a woman who didn’t age well at all, check out Rebeccas more recent youtube videos. She hit the wall *HARD*”

Well, to be fair, she didn’t youth particularly well in the first place.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Jeremy

Unfortunately firefox crashed on me and I rebooted to clear memory leaks.

That was me. You’re welcome.

The matrix is strong at keeping minds locked up.

The most powerful prisons are the ones we construct for ourselves. It’s why we’re living in A Brave New World instead of 1984.

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
10 years ago

@Rollo First, thank you for taking the time to respond directly to me. I know you’re fairly busy, and I appreciate the effort it entails. The problem most militant MGTOWs have with women is their ‘failsafe’ of detonating a marriage / family and ruin a man’s life on a moment’s notice because the state insures them this right. Take that failsafe away now. What aspects of women’s nature complement a man’s?” That’s a huge leap in premise – one I think is fairly unrealistic. There are some huge changes that would need to occur in society for this to happen… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  Pellaeon

@Pellaeon, the reason I’m asking you to imagine a condition where women don’t have that detonation failsafe is because men and women’s most root level complementarity aspects evolved in a condition where none of that existed. That failsafe is the legally overreaching result of centuries of coexisting for each sex’s mutual benefit and a need for insurances against women’s insecurities that men evolved for, and were acculturated to provide to women. What I want to do is understand what those complementary aspects between the sexes were prior to them being devalued by egalitarian equalism. Men and women have been getting… Read more »

SJF
SJF
10 years ago

@YaReally. Thanks for the heads up. @Anonymous Reader September 23rd, 2015 at 4:54 pm “This is one of the problems that a man in an LTR / marriage has after serious betaization – the woman has surely become used to being able to dominate him in all the usual female ways, and when he begins changing she will, she must, intensify all shit testing and bad behavior. Because she “knows” the “old him”.” @CaveClown September 23rd, 2015 at 5:09 pm “For those men who, for whatever reason, can’t do that the road is a bit long and winding.” It’s been… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@Pellaeon …we would still find women given custody and child support by default. After all, if the woman’s job is to remain in the home while the man goes out and works, how is she going to pay for the kid in the event of a breakup? Whoa, wait a minute there. You’re making a leap in logic. Just because a woman’s job is to remain home does not imply that she should be given custody of the kids in the event of a marriage dissolution. In fact, before the sexual revolution, the exact opposite happened. Judges were more likely… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy

@Anonymous Reader “They are also outraged at the idea of plate spinning.” What else so we have left? Intuition (on a phone not sure to have it read as a form of comedy. “cultivate an unbreakable frame.” Doing long runs and heavy gym hitting. I got a journal I don’t keep anymore where I recorded my council is change from old habits. I have a lot of stuff that isn’t social base that I use to rely on as a buffer. Ways I get over that is by not going back to them as often slowly getting away from a… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

Rollo What I want to do is understand what those complementary aspects between the sexes were prior to them being devalued by egalitarian equalism. Interesting as a purely theoretical exercise. Would seem to have zero real world application, though. But honestly, I think you’re missing Rollo’s point. He’s giving us a thought experiment. He’s asking what the commenters here might consider what are the value-added aspects of marriage women should be bringing to the table, besides sexual access. Sorta like asking what would happen if we could built starships that can exceed the speed of light; given that there’s no… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago

@Jeremy, All, don’t feel bad. I doubt women could readily come up with what they bring besides sex.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago

I can tell you right now that if all Mrs. T brought to the table was a wet hole I would’ve divorced her long ago.

It’s hard for me to use my own relationship as an example without it coming off as bragsplaining, but she and I are a very good match with regard to how we complement each other’s roles.

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@Rollo

How far do you think the “demonstrate don’t explicate” rule can be extrapolated?

i.e., do you think that this SJW reaction to holistic game is yet more of women’s natural indignance to men not “just getting it” ?

From that perspective, wouldn’t it make more sense for this type of activity here to actually go *further* “underground” so-to-speak?

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
10 years ago

Re sexbots and high definition porn, a recent study on porn demonstrated that viewing porn did not reproduce effects typical of addiction and did not share features of other addiction models. It actually showed the opposite, that viewing porn caused brain activity to decrease over time. http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/06/30/porn-addiction-_n_7696448.html?ir=Australia http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301051115300107 I find that study very interesting, I work in a blue collar industry, 90% male and low socio economic status. We have several young females working there, SMV 5-6, and these women literally get zero attention from the men, particularly the younger men. Twenty years ago they would have had to literally… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Rollo

It’s hard for me to use my own relationship as an example without it coming off as bragsplaining, but she and I are a very good match with regard to how we complement each other’s roles.

How much of her behavior you approve of is her natural disposition, and how much is a result of you being who she’s with?

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  Sun Wukong

@Sun, that distinction might be a good example of complementarity

hoellenhund2
10 years ago

Pretty sure that the troll is not a female. A dominant female isn’t familiar with Stardusk. It’s a male troll, probably a MGTOW one.

Why would any MGTOW troll this blog? Do you see any MGTOWs trolling any website? You’re just paranoid.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

I can tell you right now that if all Mrs. T brought to the table was a wet hole I would’ve divorced her long ago. It’s hard for me to use my own relationship as an example without it coming off as bragsplaining, but she and I are a very good match with regard to how we complement each other’s roles. Two points, Rollo: First, it’s the “some” vs. “all” problem. You know that men have a wider range of sexual attraction triggers than women do, it seems likely that men also have a wider range of, oh, “companion” triggers.… Read more »

hoellenhund2
10 years ago

Didn’t Milo say that he “went gay” in part because of how adversarial the sexes were to each other?

Male sexuality isn’t that fluid. Not by a long shot.

Blaximus
Blaximus
10 years ago

@Rollo I hear you loud and clear on the whole complementary tip. I have something similar. But can I tell you a secret, and you keep it between us? I LOVE my wife, but I don’t trust her 100%. It would have been harder for me to have accomplished what I have in the past 18 years or so without her help and support, and that’s ongoing, but….. Half assed analogy #7: Years ago I had a race car. It ran consistent 9 second e.t.’s every single weekend. Got me a shitload of trophies and a little cash. The car… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

Going back to the first page of the thread, there was “what if” talk of women designing their perfect man. Didn’t they do that already? It’s the blueprint I was sold over and over again that they wish they could be attracted to. 80% of the male population do their best to fit that mold, and women hate them.

We already know what it would look like “if” women designed their perfect man. They’ve gotten it and they’ve made it resoundingly clear they hate it.

YaReally
10 years ago

10 million views in 4 days, 256,000+ Likes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmWBrN7QV6Y I just can’t understand why men would check out of society and buy sexbots instead. HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO ALL THEIR RAPING IF THEY DON’T GO RAPE EVERYONE???? lol at using a fat Warcraft nerd as a rapist. We’re coming for you, gamers! That’s what you get for disagreeing with Anita Sarkeesian! Forget the dudebro college guys, we gotta lay low accusing them for a while after those UVA and mattress girl situs blew up in our face…let’s demonize the lonely nerds, and then also demonize them for wanting… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@YaReally

… did I really just seem them cast a fat nerd as a rapist? Fucking really? Those guys, every single one of them I’ve ever known, are only rapists in the imaginations of the teenage girls that can’t seem to ostracize them hard enough for not being the hawt guy they want. Most of them are the biggest, shyest manginas I know.

I’m still sitting here in disbelief. Like that entire scene is so completely unrealistic as to feel less realistic than any sci-fi or fantasy movie I’ve watched. It’s that surreal a visual to me.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

And I hope Sarkeesian chokes to death on all the vitriol she’s hurled at male gamers. PROTIP: those dudes were almost universally on your side until you chose to make enemies of them.

That’s the most impressive part of feminism: once they’ve run out of enemies, they just manufacture more out of friends.

Artisanal Toad
10 years ago

@AR But Men’s-fault divorce, and the major industry that feeds off of it, is so deeply embedded into the culture that there’s no way it is ever going away. Too many people are making money off of it. Too many women are collecting cash and prizes out of it. I’ve been telling guys for years what the answer is and nobody wants to listen. It’s very simple: More than one wife. Three or four is best. The structure makes the guy alpha, the women form their own herd and compete against each other. The state (as a matter of public… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

Interesting to compare the different reactions between the Asheville PUA’s outing and the Duke “top ten” woman of 2010. Funny thing, men ranking sexual experience with women is, like, so totally uncool and different from a woman ranking her jock hookups.

But, of course, It’s Different When Women Do it, whether ranking sexual performance, cheating, lying or committing murder.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
10 years ago

@Sun Wukong
“That’s the most impressive part of feminism: once they’ve run out of enemies, they just manufacture more out of friends.”

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BEnCPnMAzaM

@Artisanal Toad
I enjoy improv
When I went to Colorado city I saw a man who practiced polygamy it was interesting to say the least

“Ground rules? Rock-solid frame, tight game and a high level of energy. And don’t even think about going beta.”

That’s part of being a leader in battle.

@Anonymous Reader
“But, of course, It’s Different When Women Do it, whether ranking sexual performance, cheating, lying or committing murder.”

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
10 years ago

@HH Why would any MGTOW troll this blog? Do you see any MGTOWs trolling any website? You’re just paranoid. I have. Not any of the major content producers, mind you, but some rank and file guy. A friend of mine screenshot me a facebook group, that very clearly spelled out that its purpose was about teaching guys pick up, where some rando jumped in and started preaching MGTOW and accusing everyone of being “pussy beggars.” As someone who regularly reads MGTOW content and actually finds a lot of their points very valid, I am about 85% certain eleanor is a… Read more »

Lichthof
Lichthof
10 years ago

Interesting. I still contest that women’s SMV in countries like Germany is at least 1 or 2 points lower than the US. I had a great time in Germany this year. I frequented the legalized FKK clubs and spoke drank and fucked Euro hotties. I think this has a positive effect for men in society : it chills us out and totally takes the aggression away. Going out to bars was way more enjoyable, the guys were chill and laid back, the women were very open to any approaches with zero attitude. First night back in DC and we just… Read more »

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
10 years ago

Looks like my comment went into moderation for now..I’m guessing because of my use of profanity. I hope y’all won’t mind me double posting here, in the interest of writing a post that isn’t a wall of text.

I just wanted to say, thanks again to everyone who responded to my comments and sorry for not taking the time to reply. I unfortunately find that it takes me ridiculously long to form my thoughts, and afterwards I just don’t have the motivation to follow up on everything.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
10 years ago

I’m gonna quite my job, Stop going to the gym, and start wearing a T-shirt(*wink* Ya) and going to buy the sexbot.

Ps,
Does the sexbot gives blow jobs too?
That is VERY important to me.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
10 years ago

@Pellaeon

It went in to moderation due to having 3+ links. Language is not moderated. Or to put it bluntly: Rollo don’t give a fuck ’bout language.

hoellenhund2
10 years ago

Interesting. I still contest that women’s SMV in countries like Germany is at least 1 or 2 points lower than the US.

It’s generally accepted in Europe that German women are notoriously ugly. The same applies to English women. It is, of course, entirely possible that the situation in the US is even worse. On a different note, Germany is just another typical feminist cesspool. Don’t fool yourself about that.

Roused
Roused
10 years ago

Wow, so much good reading . @SJF, thanks for the words of encouragement, much appreciated. @anonymous ans @cave clown discussing “Frame” just made another bright light bulb flip on in my head. Shit, I didn’t realize how important that was. Looks like some serious self discipline is in order. Damn good advice. Need to start with a new foundation before I can get the frame of my life together. Ground work, then go up from there. That Elenore (sp?) bee-otch was disgusting. Fuck that shit. I’ve heard and seen women with the same attitude about male slaves and how they… Read more »

Eleanor
Eleanor
10 years ago

Yes, I am actually a guy who was trolling to see how you would deconstruct the “men are slaves” argument. The only reason I admit this is to point out that I am NOT a MGTOW advocate of any sort. The Stardusk video I referred to claims that most men “will not change”, which is a defeatist point of view. I’m not sure how you got the idea that I represent their movement by referring to a self-demaning MGTOW video. I appreciate the livid and lively responses to my petty charade, but I’m still not convinced that “red pill” thinking… Read more »

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  Eleanor

Yes, I am actually a guy who was trolling to see how you would deconstruct the “men are slaves” argument.

Yawn…hmm,…wait what?

I hate being right all the time.

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

@Pallaeon

” It would be fair to say that I am in the bottom third of the SMV. ”

Dude unless you are 80 years old – you’re a red pill guy that is trying to improve himself. You’re like in the top .01% of men. It’s a state of mind.

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

I’m still not convinced that “red pill” thinking will ever be mainstream. Most men have neither the intellectual depth nor interest to digest this kind of information.

I’m starting to agree with that. The world is a big place. Everyone here is probably just certain personality types above a certain level of intellect. I’m an INTP. My guess is many other guys are too.

In a way, you can be happy about it. It’s evolution at work.

annoyinggorilla
10 years ago

Flashback to 1982’s Bladerunner. Harrison Ford is tasked by the Feminine Imperative to eliminate the remaining stray sex bots. Compromised by a perfect Sean Young, Ford’s weak and frightened Deckard receives a show of mercy from a whiteknighting Rutger Hauer.
Hauer reminds Deckard of the universe outside a male functioning upon feminine whim.
A universe where voracious male curiosity is sated with “attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion”, not the jackboot of feminine mystique.

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

“I’m starting to agree with that. The world is a big place. Everyone here is probably just certain personality types above a certain level of intellect. I’m an INTP. My guess is many other guys are too.” I’m probably the exception that proves the rule than. I’ve not taken one of those personality tests in a long time, but I do remember that I was pegged as an “external” type of person. I’m social, charismatic, expressive. I’ve gotten as far as I have in life (which is pretty damn far) based solely off of my ability to work with people.… Read more »

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

“I’m probably the exception that proves the rule than.”

Oh, I’m not saying it’s a rule. Introvert and extrovert I doubt matter too much. More of the iNtuitive/Thinking/Perceiving part. I bet most people here have at least two of those.

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

ENTJ
Extravert(25%) iNtuitive(19%) Thinking(22%) Judging(19%)
You have moderate preference of Extraversion over Introversion (25%)
You have slight preference of Intuition over Sensing (19%)
You have slight preference of Thinking over Feeling (22%)
You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (19%)

Found my test score from about 2 years ago.

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

Yeah,… NT that’s intellectual curiosity.

Jeremy
Jeremy
10 years ago

@Eleanor I appreciate the livid and lively responses to my petty charade, but I’m still not convinced that “red pill” thinking will ever be mainstream. Most men have neither the intellectual depth nor interest to digest this kind of information. I disagree on interest, not sure on intellectual depth. Rollo’s written a lot about women and their motivations in perhaps the most accessible way I think anyone else has ever done. No smart man ever tried to claim that women were simple, and Rollo makes no such claims either. But it doesn’t mean they can’t be comprehended by most men… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

“But if she’s obeying, even grudgingly, that’s a step back rebellion. I know that there are people who denegrate “fake it till you make it”, but I’ve used that in my own life to know it works.”

Anonymous reader,

Thanks for the long reply. But it feels an awful lot like negotiating desire.

I’ll have to ponder what you wrote…

“I’m not saying this will work in your case, I’ve read your situation and it is extremely ugly.”

Not sure you’re thinking of the right person.

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

Something that I’ve been thinking about recently about attraction. Do you guys think the reason that women are attracted to congruent men is because it allows they themselves to be congruent? We know that their thoughts and actions are almost always aligned but they are shamed by other girls and betas to change their words.

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

I actually think that congruency should be an Iron Rule. Once that clicked for me I can see why I have failed in certain situations and succeeded in others. It just makes me feel a million times lighter to minimize my censorship of words. Lately when something that comes out of my mouth that doesn’t align with my thoughts and actions I lose energy. You could argue that it’s a mental point of origin. Which is a good way to describe it I guess, but I reread the article and I don’t think it only gets about 50% of the… Read more »

YaReally
10 years ago

Meanwhile in Japan… http://www.dailydot.com/lol/japanese-men-wiping-tears-ikemeso/ Women love emotional rollercoasters SO HARD that they’ll pay for them. Why don’t these girls pay these guys to come in and just compliment them? Because women want to feel emotions. Most people do, really, that’s why we pay to see scary movies and shit. Understanding why a woman would pay money to feel sad then happy is a key to understanding pickup. Japan knows what’s up lol In “The Great Happiness Space” (watch it if you haven’t), they talk about how women don’t just pay for positive attention, they want the guys to scold them… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

@Sun

“You’re looking at this wrong. If we attach magnets to the coffins and windings to the bodies, we could have an unlimited power source. We could literally power our civilization on bullshit!

http://dresdencodak.com/2010/06/03/dark-science-01/

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
10 years ago

me “But if she’s obeying, even grudgingly, that’s a step back rebellion. I know that there are people who denegrate “fake it till you make it”, but I’ve used that in my own life to know it works.” Cave Clown Thanks for the long reply. But it feels an awful lot like negotiating desire. I can see that point of view, but IMO obedience can precede desire (and vice versa, early in a relationship). Consider an AFC whose wife works at a job she hates and 3 days out of 5 she comes home and picks a fight with him.… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
10 years ago

@Eleanor – So you are a guy trolling? Go fuck yourself, and suck a bowl of dicks while you are at it, you punk.

As for your “point”, my guess is that your intellect is barely above that of the average social justice warrior feminist, so get that you looking down on most men strikes me as kind of funny.

In the future, be a man. Use a legit identity and ask the fucking questions you want to ask, you gaping pussy, instead of playing games like a 13 year old girl.

scribblerg
scribblerg
10 years ago

And now a 6 year old girl tells her divorcing mom to stop being such a cunt – in the way that a 6 year old would. Notice how she innately gets the status issues, talking about how we should all be “low” etc. Even this little girl gets how ridiculously women see themselves today in terms of value and the baseless superiority complex most are engaging in. Watch and weep, just a little, cuz we all know the chances are 90% this little girl will be trained to treat her Dad like shit by the time she’s 18…Nice work,… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

@Artisinal Toad “And you know who fights me on this? But-hurt gamma white-knights. It isn’t the women. Bring up the issue and you can smell the fear amongst the men. I can take someone through the Bible in about 5 minutes and demonstrate polygyny isn’t a sin. ” I find your posts on polygyny interesting. I think that it can, and historically has, worked very well. But, uh, you have to understand that this pisses the but-hurt gamma white knights off because in such a system they would have no access to women. Alphas (whether by economics or personality) with… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
10 years ago

Lol, Rollo, I won’t argue with your track record, it’s truly impressive, but this troll wasn’t hard to spot.

Rollo Tomassi
10 years ago
Reply to  Chump No More

@Chump No More, ahhh, I’m still taking the money though ; )

CaveClown
CaveClown
10 years ago

Anonymous reader,

What you describe is almost the exact step by step process I have taken in the last 1-2 years.

What she tells me now is,

1. She does not feel she can compete with other women to keep me

2. She “liked” the guy I was before, and not the guy I am now

As for sex, I get (mostly) what I want, pretty much whenever I want with her. Sex, oral, whatever. 7 days a week or more if I like.

But it just does not seem genuine.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

@Eleanor I was pretty confident you were a dude, actually. The most interesting part was how I could tell. It wasn’t the reference to Stardusk. It was the bombastic insults designed to create a frame wherein you were dominant and we must be submissive. It was the sweeping arrogance in your attempt to dominate. Women don’t ‘get’ dominance and overt power like that. They’ll always try to sneak insults and dominance through the back door, via subtle shame tactics. There’s always a whiff of ‘man up’ to it, a plea for you to assert your dominance – in a way… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

@Andy re: congruency

Women’s impulses are chaotic. They crave the stability real congruency provides.

Hate to post this for the nth time, but have you read this?

https://hvren.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/to-whatever-self-be-true/

(it’s part 1 of 3, all the parts are good)

agent p
agent p
10 years ago

@rollo What complementary qualities etc can a woman bring to a marriage that would be beneficial to the enterprise, if I may paraphrase? For me, post red pill, Marriage is now almost entirely about children, making them, raising them, turning them into well adjusted people who will likely self replicate and fulfill my genetic mission of self replication. If I didn’t want kids I would see precious little value in getting hitched, so I can only now look at marriage through the lens of genetic propagation. So my list of what qualities a woman could possess or cultivate that she… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
10 years ago

@Pellaeon Being a lower-SMV man is an inherently frustrating position. Frankly, for the most part women treat you like shit when you’re there. So it’s very easy to get frustrated at how they are and what you might need to do to make relationships work with them. From a high SMV position, things look very different. You just act like your normal self, and girls laugh at your smallest jokes, are generally sweet and eager to please, see everything you do in a good light, and, if you let them, will adapt their behavior to better support your goals missions… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
10 years ago

@FTS, you nailed it. That was exactly how I knew.

In all forms, men typically communicate logically to establish dominance and women communicate emotionally to build consensus. Eleanor was clearly a dude.

Seraph
10 years ago

@Eleanor –

In the future, be a man. Use a legit identity and ask the fucking questions you want to ask, you gaping pussy, instead of playing games like a 13 year old girl.

Ditto…

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