Planned Obsolescence

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The mainstream loves a salacious story about the sexual misconducts of men. With the recent Ashley Madison data leak the narrative was one of blaming and shaming the overwhelming majority of men who signed up for an account to cheat in their spouses. This has resulted in more than one suicide. A topic of the Man in Demand Q&A session I fielded was how the Red Pill lens isn’t limited to just scoffing at the Blue Pill in popular media, but that it also gives men a sensitivity and awareness to better understand the motivations for social narratives like this.

Red Pill aware men understand that if there is an opportunity to cast blame or doubt on a man over his sexual impulse, or the consequences for allowing it to lead to behavior that conflicts with a feminine-primary social order, shaming will always be the go-to, socially acceptable strategy. Sex will always be a clichéd thumbscrew to gauge men’s personal resolve, and this is a built-in failsafe of control for the Blue Pill’s conditioning of men.

Red Pill men understand the motivating incentives for this “cheating” and that in a westernizing culture, 50%+ of marriages are clinically and practically sexless, it’s not hard to understand the want for a man to find some temporary sexual release in infidelity, porn or delusions of emotional infidelity. It’s also easy to understand how the paradox of commitment would drive such men to suicide.

This is simply one data point of many in a larger Red Pill awareness that indicates some very uncomfortable truths women need to confront; whether single or married, men will actively seek a practical solution to their sexlessness. And it is just this sexual problem solving that will ultimately challenge women’s unilateral, social and personal power over their own Hypergamy. On a limbic level women and the imperative are aware of this challenge. Thus, it’s controlled for by investing in conditioning men to feel guilt or shaming for ever embracing their masculine sexual nature. It’s a threat.

Keep this fact in mind as I explore today’s topic. Women and feminine-primary culture have done an amazing job at commodifying women’s singular, primary agency with men – their physicality and sexual availability. It’s de rigueur in the manosphere to write articles about women reducing themselves to being next to valueless to men beyond their sexual attributes. I’ve written in the past about women’s commodifying love and sex, however recently women are being forced to face the realities of making their sexuality a commodity.

What women, both prominent and insignificant, are coming to realize is that the ultimate plan of feminism (destroying the evolved, complementary family structure of parenting) is really a planned obsolescence for womankind. As I was coming to this realization I found it rather ironic that only 5 years ago we had the likes of Hannah Rosin profiting from the idea that men were (or were becoming) obsolete. Five years later it appears the fear now is that it’s women who will become obsolete in the most literal, commodified sense. That fear is beginning to show.

In the Future Sexbots will Drink Feminist Tears

If you follow me on twitter or you’re even peripherally aware of MSM gender sensationalism in a Red Pill context you’ll know that the topic du jour this week is the coming, realistic, availability of robotic sex partners and the efforts being made to legislate against their development by ‘concerned’ women. Heartiste and many other manosphere writers naturally picked up on this. I particularly enjoyed Milo Yiannopoulos’ piece Sexbots: Why Women Should Worry.

But male sexual appetites are easily satisfied, despite what women will tell you. Blow jobs really aren’t that difficult, and in any case most blokes are fine with a pizza and a wank. For many men, sex is a nice bonus, but it’s not essential. When you introduce a low-cost alternative to women that comes without all the nagging, insecurity and expense, frankly men are going to leap in headfirst.

One of the primary and evolved differences in men and women’s neural firmware is that men are natural and intrinsic problem solvers. I’ve pointed it out in many an essay; men are wired to solve problems with a rudimentary, deductive logic process. It’s one of the reasons we get ourselves into such horribly misled predicaments with women; we expect a binary, A to B to C level of reason with women (reinforced by equalist ideology) and deductively try to solve a sex and intimacy problem with them.

Improvisation and innovation are what we do to live better; one reason men naturally view women as sex objects is literally due to wiring in our brains that predispose us to using tools. So it’s really not much of a stretch to see how men will use this inventiveness to solve a need for sex. And in an intersexual social environment that’s predicated on the commodification of sex, well, you can see how the advancement of sexual substitutes and virtual sexual experiences would be driven by supply and demand.

It’s science fiction at this stage, but the ball is rolling and this is causing the Feminine Imperative to confront uncomfortable possibilities with just the proposition of having a sexual monopoly disrupted be the innovations of men.

Do Robots Dream of Electric Sin?

As might be expected, Dalrock took a shot at this story from a Christian moralistic angle – would sex with a convincing facsimile of a woman qualify as sinning?

InnocentBystanderBoston had a good comment in that thread:

Aside from the purely moral question, there is another risk regarding sexbots. Our economy is built on the expectation that men will be motivated by marriage to produce in excess of their own needs. As we continue to degrade marriage, sexbots will be there to fill the gaps.

…with unilateral divorce law and the accompanying cash and prizes awarded to the female courtesy of judges immersed in the feminist imperative, I think s-xbots pretty much end marriage. If marriage isn’t completely destroyed forever with version 2.0, the s-xbot will most certainly destroy it. And why? The s-xbot will always give you s-x on demand. It will stay at home, faithful to you. It will not spend your money and ruin your credit rating. It will not get a judge to sign a restraining order against you. It can’t divorce you and take cash and prizes. It will never age maintaining its peak SMV forever (if you believe in Rollo’s charts.) So that will pretty much be it for feminism. Without the surplus wealth created by men to subsidize the parasitic nature of feminist centric Marriage 2.0, there can be no feminism. Women are net wealth consumers. Without husbands, there lives will ONLY be in decline. The feminist imperative can NOT allow these s-xbots to be made.

On a rudimentary level feminism has always recognized that women’s only real agency with men is sex. We can see this in the feminine-centric commodification of sex, and we can see this truth in (third wave) feminism’s embrace of sex positivity – but again, only within the confines of a feminine-centric and unilaterally feminine controlled context for that sex to happen in.

The increasingly more accepted Yes Means Yes legalistic checklist that underwrites sexual relations (for what feminists know will always be defined by ambiguous circumstances) is a glaring example of this litigious overreach in an effort to lock down unilateral control of Hypergamy for women. This is the degree of paranoia that the doubt of Hypergamous insecurity inspires in those women less capable of intrasexual competition with their sisters to secure it.

When granted the social facilities to do so, women will always base their personal choices, their personal ideologies, their social order and their legislative doctrines around relieving themselves of Hypergamous doubt and insecurities. In truth, women’s evolved socio-sexual filtering ensures that there is no practical relief from this. There is no 100% assuredness of Hypergamous choice; Hypergamy doubts optimization even after the best of choices, but if given the power, women will build a social order around an attempt to mutually allay that doubt, allay that sexual competition anxiety, and all at men’s expense and disempowerment.

Becoming Obsolete

If you ever need an example of the duplicity with which the Feminine Imperative really aligns itself with equalism, look no further than how that “equality” is expressed with preferring pro-feminine solutions to social problems.

There is a fundamental fear women experience in just the prospect of not having 100% control over their sexual selection, sexual strategy and ultimately optimization of their Hypergamy. Anything that challenges women’s unilateral control of their Hypergamous power – such as prostitution, male hormonal birth control, female viagra, DNA testing for paternity and now sexbots – must be ruthlessly and preemptively legislated against if feminine social primacy is to be maintained. Even the idea of sexbots destroying women’s monopoly on sex, however fantastical, must be eliminated before it becomes a threat.

Kathleen Richardson, a professor at De Montfort University in England, serves as an excellent example of this axiom:

“Sex robots seem to be a growing focus in the robotics industry and the models that they draw on — how they will look, what roles they would play — are very disturbing indeed,” she told the BBC.

She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women and the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical.

“We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women,” she said.

I would agree that it is detrimental in these terms, but the fear of losing feminine primacy is evident in just the prospect of sexbots.

The squid ink here is the concern for reinforcing “traditional stereotypes” of women for the almost unanimously male demographic who’d buy a sexual substitute (notice there is no call for creating morbidly obese variants of sexbots). The real fear is that men prefer that stereotype and it would force women to confront the truth that if they don’t accommodate men’s physical and psychological preferences (conventional femininity) they will progressively devalue women’s sexual agency over them by opting for the sexbot.

And that is a very pressing threat to women’s control over Hypergamy.

What were witnessing here is the acknowledgement that shaming men for their inventiveness in resolving their sexual needs isn’t working. Thus the social and legislative power the Feminine Imperative wields has to be invoked. Naturally there will be “think of the children” appeals and the admonishments of dehumanization on the part of men, but the binary truth is that women’s prime commodity (sex) could be reduced to making women obsolete.

The following is an exchange between Vitriol and YaReally from the last post.

“However, the biggest secret they all want to hide is that using money, whether doing something like you described or paying for pussy outright, is the most efficient way to get laid. If your main goal is to get laid as much as possible, does it matter whether you followed some arbitrary rules that some guy posted on the internet along the way? ”

lol brb taking a helicopter to the top of Mount Everest because it’s more efficient than those dumbasses who actually CLIMB it. It DOES matter to men who’s goal isn’t “to get laid as much as possible” but is “to get laid by girls who are legitimately into me, as much as possible”. To each their own.

If we accept the Pareto Principle as a rough guideline, 80% of men are Betas who simply don’t care to, or accept that they don’t have the capacity to, concern themselves with learning how to “get laid with girls who are genuinely into them.” They’ll create every manner of rationale to convince themselves that the girl who solves his sexual thirst is genuinely into him, or he’ll opt for the most available, most feasible, means to resolve that sexual deprivation. The ubiquitousness of free, easily accessible, streaming hi-def pornography is a testament to this dynamic.

Whether the reality of convincing sexbots is ever achieved isn’t really relevant in this equation, the fear of losing primary control of Hypergamy is what’s at stake. We see this fear manifested in criminalizing prostitution and the shame of men seeking sexual release via pornography and Ashley Madison accounts.

Recently I was asked about my take on the legal pushback on the part of women to regulate or outright ban the FDA approval of the female form of Viagra. From the socially acceptable perspective the fear is that the drug might be used as another (more effective) date rape drug. From a Red Pill perspective the fear is, once again, rooted in women’s fear of men circumventing women’s sexual strategy by chemically influencing their arousal process.

It’s one thing to forcibly rape a woman and thereby take control of her Hypergamous choice, but it quite another to prompt her into engaging in sex she is influenced to by some extrinsic means. As such, women’s sexual selection and Hypergamous optimization is effectively mitigated if not removed from the sexual equation by an invention of men. So once again we see the nervous efforts of the Feminine Imperative to ban any prospective attempts by men to exercise even a marginal control over Hypergamy.

Women have access to safe and legal abortion (a Hypergamous control), but a drug that might influence their libido and thus lead them to sexual choices they might no otherwise control and make, even the idea of that innovation needs regulation. Remove women from the sexual selection and arousal process and you make their only value – the value westernized women have systematically established for themselves – effectively obsolete.

That’s not a judgement call. Women tend to conflate their personal, intrinsic value with their sexual market value. However, in the SMP that is predicated upon women’s only value to men being sexual (not as life mates, mothers, or personal worth), the monopoly of sexual leverage becomes toothless.

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Blaximus
6 years ago

Stuff since 1981 Widespread Organ Transplant Anti Rejection Drugs Mass produced Interferon Fibre Optic networks Broadband Satellite comms Global Positioning System Hydraulic Fracturing Horizontal Directional Drilling 3 D Geologic Modeling Digital Imagery LED lightbulb Commercial Space Imaging (Google Maps) Google (internet search) Relational Database Java Commercial Spaceflight (SpaceX prize) Palm Devices Tablet Internet Streaming Services Flexible Displays UAV Stealth Technologies Carbon Fibre Memory Materials LCD color monitors and on and on… I mean all you have to realize is things like the 787 My point stands unabated. These are all incarnations of prior innovations, see? 787 is a P.L.A.N.E. Space… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Sex bots….just the idea itself…..is blatant testament to pathetic abysmal low state of value the human female now brings to the human male.

And the idea of sex bots did not originate this century. Anyone ever see this movie?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_3LRLeuEWEM

What happened to Dorthy Stratten?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Stratten

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f10/playmate-year-dorothy-stratten-murder-40942/

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
6 years ago

Rollo’s mentioned this upthread, but, well, let me take a stab at clarifying and summarizing. The point of this post isn’t to say that sexbots are coming, or are likely to come, or to elucidate what the effect of such a technology to be. It’s to demonstrate how the FI reacts to perceptual threats, and how different that reaction is when the shoe is on the other foot. So things like PUA/game, enforcement of permanent monogamy, Ashley Madison-type websites, the prospects of sexbots, pornography, ‘female viagra,’ even men’s inbuilt sexual preferences – anything that removes or reduces woman’s ability to… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

Honestly, that article makes me think that Gaston was right…

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Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Blaximus Under the thumb of the FI, we’ve had to retard our abilities to include women, who don’t share the same mindset, understanding or drive Or intelligence. The word “retard” fits really well. I work with people of above average intelligence on a routine basis, and the IQ curve is always on display in front of me. First, typically in a group of 10 only 2 are women. Second, those 2 women while clearly smarter than most other women are still often not as intelligent as at least 2 of the men. The women are bright enough, but I sometimes… Read more »

agent p
agent p
6 years ago

My read on the coming robot empire is that regardless of how much shaming the FI and the MSM may pump out for use of bots, capitalism will trump it. The cultural arc will be similar to that of Viagra. At first there were similar shame tactics employed from what I recall, “Old man cannot get it up, he has to use a pill, shame on the old perv” was the general cultural line. But after sufficient carpet bombing of the airwaves by ads and sufficient use and saturation and promotion of the product in the market, it simply became… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

Excellent point Rollo, and well stated. Too much intellectual laziness, it’s a pandemic. I was going to mention, that I believe sexbots will eventually be as ubiquitous as RC drones. Don’t laugh at this notion right off the bat. Right now the electronic and robotic hobbyist communities are flourishing in a way that would make Leonardo deVinci orgasm on the spot. There are hundreds of thousands of DIY websites and blogs instructing men how to build all manner of electronic gadgets, robots, etc… from parts and software that can cost you as little as $100. I can easily forsee a… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

We live in an age where the collected information of the entire human race is literally in the palm of our hands, and the only, greatest, impediment to it are ego-investments and intellectual lethargy. It is remarkable to me how many people are just not curious. They can’t be bothered to look up anything, they don’t want to learn anything new, and it’s like pulling teeth to get them to admit when they are wrong. Must be the ego-investment side. Rollo, how did you find that “dark ecologies” site? I. Did you locate it via pingback, or what? Reading the… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

” We live in an age where the collected information of the entire human race is literally in the palm of our hands, and the only, greatest, impediment to it are ego-investments and intellectual lethargy.”

Agree, but I would say – ….ego investments and intellectual absence.

If I’d have grown up with the availability of information that exists today, I’d have become a God. The library wasn’t open enough hours a day.

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

Maybe this has been covered, but if sexbots and virtual reality sex really do take off, won’t women find a way to include themselves in that like they have every other male space? I don’t mean virtual prostitution either. I mean your average jane doe. Or would they not, since it doesn’t satisfy any of her hypergamous instincts? But what if she was having virtual sex with another human? Doesn’t that satisfy the desire for attention? Like beta orbiters give her ego boosts now? If virtual sex with another human being becomes reality, didn’t we just transfer part of the… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

Anonymous Reader – ” It is remarkable to me how many people are just not curious. They can’t be bothered to look up anything, they don’t want to learn anything new, and it’s like pulling teeth to get them to admit when they are wrong. Must be the ego-investment side. ” It is remarkable considering how easy it is to satisfy your curiosity today. For the last 30 years I resigned myself to learning something new ( useful or not ) every single day. With the growth or the internet, that task has become insanely easy and extremely rewarding (… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

“My read on the coming robot empire is that regardless of how much shaming the FI and the MSM may pump out for use of bots, capitalism will trump it. The cultural arc will be similar to that of Viagra. At first there were similar shame tactics employed from what I recall, “Old man cannot get it up, he has to use a pill, shame on the old perv” was the general cultural line.” Viagra use was shamed at first, yes. Capitalism and marketing helped change that. But I would argue that it was accepted by women because it allowed… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Blaximus But, of course I see this also as a symptom of the FI ( FI is like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon ). Which sex is incurious? I swear, time after time I have handed some book or link to a woman whom I know is above average in intelligence that I thought they might find interesting and gotten a polite smile and “I’ll look at it when I have time”. One medical type I loaned a book to admitted it sat on her coffee table for months, because “no time”, but somehow she was all up to date… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

Much like viagra being embraced as a way to deflect negative attention away from women…

“My husband can’t get an erection for me = my husband has a medical issue that needs drugs”

(nothing to be ashamed of honey, it’s a medical issue! lol)

I wonder if there will be an equal style gas lighting from women concerning sex bots and virtual reality sex?

Blaximus
6 years ago

Anonymous Reader Even the curious ones have limits. This is one reason why talking with women, while entertaining, is sometimes not very satisfying – they just don’t know much outside of some narrow limits, as a rule. Exceptions exist, they just prove the rule. True. When I talk to women and I discern that they are average, uninteresting girls, I treat them like a video game. I see if I can find their buttons and push them all with vigor. If they are uncommonly simple, I’ll see how much I can insult them before they figure out they are being… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

All this will either be shamed and regulated into oblivion. (not likely given our current liberal climate) or This will be spun in a way that makes it look beneficial to men, but is actually beneficial to women. My guess is that women will have a sudden change in thinking and come to “accept” that men have a higher sex drive than women. Sex bots and such will be encouraged as a utilitarian way for men to find relief for their “urges” (since they are less advanced than women), and when they want the “real” thing (love, intimacy, bonding) they… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@CaveClown

But what if she was having virtual sex with another human? Doesn’t that satisfy the desire for attention? Like beta orbiters give her ego boosts now?

As YaReally’s linked video shows, the act of sex to a woman is far less meaningful than who she is having sex with. Her tingles come from knowing WHO is inside her, not from the fact that she’s being physically stimulated. Men think very differently, the act itself is the reason for being there, and when it comes down to it we are easy to please in this activity.

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

“As YaReally’s linked video shows, the act of sex to a woman is far less meaningful than who she is having sex with. Her tingles come from knowing WHO is inside her, not from the fact that she’s being physically stimulated. Men think very differently, the act itself is the reason for being there, and when it comes down to it we are easy to please in this activity.” Right, exactly. So my question is, since it really isn’t sex to her…will women jump on board for the ego strokes? Will allowing men to fuck her virtually be the next… Read more »

Shiva
Shiva
6 years ago

@SmellyAtticMurderer ““The tragedy is: Milo and other Red Pillers will be automated away and won’t be able to afford a sexbot” Yes, but in that case, the only moral thing for the feminine imperative to do is to take up a collection and purchase them one. If it keeps them away from the human women, than it would be an investment worth making.” Not sure if it is proper etiquette to raise her point in this thread, but I am amazed with her short term thinking. 1. Even the lowest wage blue collar worker gets loan to buy house worth… Read more »

Shiva
Shiva
6 years ago

“With the growth or the internet, that task has become insanely easy and extremely rewarding ( today I learned the difference between Gas Direct Injection – which my car has, versus Port or tuned port/multi port injection and throttle body injection ).” I work in a STEM field and am completely berserk on Coursera. The content quality and depth is too good. The professors have provided meticulous lectures with deeper emphasis on visualization of the issues. I can pick up a course not related to my work and educational domain and can become a “subject matter amateur” at least by… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Right, exactly. So my question is, since it really isn’t sex to her…will women jump on board for the ego strokes? Will allowing men to fuck her virtually be the next beta orbiting?

It’s really not much of a step up from “camgirl”. Do a search on the term, be amazed how lucrative that apparently can be.

Eleanor
Eleanor
6 years ago

I will never be “obsolete”, and neither will be my sisters. Your petty “rebellion” against “feminine imperative” and “hypergamy” is adorable. Yet for all of your fantasies about replacing the warm embrace of a goddess with a cold, souless sexbot, you conveinently overlook the fact that you’re SLAVES to womankind, and you DEPEND on us to create a new generation of slaves. Have you been paying your taxes, my cute little slave? These sophisticated toys are not particularly different than 2D porn, and will not change anything on a wide scale. Sorry to burst your bubble, but a fucking bot… Read more »

funoldguy
funoldguy
6 years ago

Guys, I am of the opinion that I am one lucky som’bitch! My current LTR actually has curiosity and the processing equipment to make the most of it. We spend an hour (or two) daily talking about things we find interesting. This is a before work encounter as I rise around 4:30 and she gets up an hour later. I’ll skip the details and get to the meta view (meta of my life, of course). I have been with a number of women who are intellectually dead. This was even true of one who was close to completing her PhD… Read more »

Edelweiss
Edelweiss
6 years ago

This is an example of a battle in an ongoing war that does not end. As Rollo pointed out, it’s not even about whether it’s a viable technology, it’s about the response to a perceived threat to control. Regardless of how the feminists spin the argument, the goal is to maximize choice for women, and limit or negate the influence of men on themselves. I would expect them to employ their two favorite weapons, shame, and guilt. If that fails, it’s straight to a sympathetic legislator or two with another favorite, “this hurts women”, or “this objectifies and/or victimizes women”.… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

I will literally shit myself silly if I ever encounter a woman that can have a rational discussion and not resort to shaming men.

“Rebellion” lol

Emperor palpatine over here doesn’t like our comments, fellow rebel scum!

Blaximus
6 years ago

Hahahahahaaaaa Not that I give 1/10th of a fuk, but.. Dear Ellenwhore, News-fucking-flash, You Are Already Obsolete. Thanks for playing, buh-bye now. Mean, evil, ugly biotches have been out of fashion for a long time now. I’m surprised you don’t know that . Some of my brothers may be slaves to women for the time being, but we’re going to rectify that. None of my brothers will be a slave to the likes of you though. That’s rich that your delusional ass could even type such ludicrous nonsense. Best laugh I’ve had all day. Nobody likes a femibitch. Not even… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

To the commenters here, excuse me. I couldn’t help myself. I opened up a big can of Troll food.

70'sAntiHero
6 years ago

Wow, Rollo just wow. . . The Idea that the FI is awakening or at lest getting a sense on the horizon of the discontent of men and the realities of their experiences, contingency behaviors and projections and women’s solipsistic interpretations and their potential contingencies . . . what are the social and political implications?

This one is a real mind bender. . .

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

So what does that say about the theories of women’s solipsism being their MPO? What does that say about about feminine primacy being the predominant social order of today? So I guess I would say men achieve value based on self actualization and impact on society. So we know that as far as evolution goes Women relate their value to the value of the man that they secure the attention of. Feminism says that women can create their own value through self actualization and impact on society through ambitious careers and such. My guess is that while women can create… Read more »

Bluepillsociety
Bluepillsociety
6 years ago

Men obsolete… Look at the soviet unions colapse and the ensuing male problem that occured. Women never brought society back. They simply wallowed in self pity and clung to whatever drunk would tolerate them being around. Methinks that we are over reacting. Men will always be the rock that stops the human race from cratering and that is just the simple reality of it. Opinions on the matter are simply irrelevant.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

CaveClown – “…if sexbots and virtual reality sex really do take off, won’t women find a way to include themselves in that like they have every other male space?” Ever hear of vibrators and dildos? Women already have male sex bots, and they use them so much thy’re sold at Walmart and advertised on TV as “Personal Massagers.” What pisses the broads off is the idea that men cpuld have the same level of a technical assistance in our masturbatory rituals. For a moment think about how many women you know that own a dildo, or “Personal Massager” now compare… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

Badpainter-

Twice ( that’s twice ) I’ve heard of women I know buying dildos of every kind as gifts to be handed out at bachelorette parties….

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
6 years ago

Rollo, you were right about the FI destroying people. Looks like we lost the Holistic Game blog. That sucks!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/09/21/asheville-blog-podcast-sexual-conquests/72586252/

Blaximus
6 years ago

WTF????? I know Asheville. What in hell is going on there?

There is no safe place.

So, if you blog about a sexual encounter you had, it becomes ” degrading “?? I’m at a loss for what the actual offense is here, other than the coffee house owner folding up and apologizing for nothing.

And what does a rape crisis center have to do with…. you know what? I’m gonna save my righteous indignation over this debacle. I’ll just chalk it up to ” more inane bullshit to keep in mind “.

Unknown
Unknown
6 years ago

I definitely agree with all of this post but I have a question: It doesn’t really matter in the context of my question but I am a male, for the record. Won’t men want a REAL connection with a real human being at some point? I can also see this as being labeled as something incels would use. You would be labeled a loser if you need to have sex with a robot since you can’t pull any girls. It wouldn’t be socially acceptable. To say that this will make women obsolete seems to go a bit to far when… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

Unknown ” Won’t men want a REAL connection with a real human being at some point? I can also see this as being labeled as something incels would use. You would be labeled a loser if you need to have sex with a robot since you can’t pull any girls. It wouldn’t be socially acceptable.” Socially acceptable? What we have in the FI is socially acceptable today. So, only men should be held to ” socially acceptable ” standards? Who determines these socially acceptable standards? If society has been brought under the heel of feminism, then women will set the… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Won’t men want a REAL connection with a real human being at some point?

What do you mean by REAL connection? I know women who spend most of their off work time on social media; Facebook, tumblr, maybe Twatter. In public a lot of 20-somethings are on their phones all. the. time. texting each other. What sort of connection does one have with a woman whose head is stuck into social media pretty much all the time?

Tell us about this REAL connection, and what it looks like.

Robert What?
Robert What?
6 years ago

50%+ of marriages are clinically and effectively sexless? Ok, so it’s not just me.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Unknown – “Won’t men want a REAL connection with a real human being at some point?” Sure, but what sort of connection? How do you define “real”? How do you know it’s “real”? I have several good friends that happen to be women. We have a real connection but it is not, for me at least, in anyway about sex. As I work my through this I am now at a point where there are women I will fuck, and women I will be friends with, but none who are permitted to be both. So far that works pretty good.… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Eleanor Your petty “rebellion” against “feminine imperative” and “hypergamy” is adorable. …Yet for all of your fantasies about replacing the warm embrace of a goddess with a cold, souless sexbot, you conveinently overlook the fact that you’re SLAVES to womankind, and you DEPEND on us to create a new generation of slaves. Have you been paying your taxes, my cute little slave? Not really. There’s an old maxim to illustrate my point. If all the men died instantly all across the world, civilization would pretty much stop instantly as none of the hard jobs would get done, no farming, no… Read more »

Max Madd
Max Madd
6 years ago

That film “Her” was so incredibly awful. Just another one in an endless series of blue pill films where the male lead is essentially portrayed as a sensitive, emasculated beta eunuch. I was so disgusted with it after viewing that I wrote up a review:

http://redpillage.com/2015/08/her/

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
6 years ago

I feel bad for Holistic Game for not knowing own who you are. They will be crucified for submitting to SJWs. I’m sorry. Never say that. Fuck that && own who you are!

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Eleanor

A LARPing troll? I don’t know whether to laugh hard or laugh harder. Color me amused. If you can keep it that funny, I encourage you to continue.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@benfromtexas They’re supplicating to save their livelihood, but they’re fucked either way. Standard SJW strategy is taking away a man’s living for having the wrong opinion. Law 38 Think as you like but behave like others. Here in the male space where you are more or less anonymous, you can express your thoughts openly, but around others you can never let them be known. Always leave a doubt as to the personal thoughts behind your actions. Keep a separation between who you are here and who you are in the real world unless you’re absolutely certain it won’t impact you… Read more »

benfromtexas
benfromtexas
6 years ago
Reply to  Sun Wukong

@Sun Wukong

Well said. They marketed themselves to the trendys in Asheville and they now suffer. Who I am here, only a few people know the “real” me! It’s way too dangerous for men too reveal their true form. I’m here to always help & support men. Like Rollo has said, the FI will destroy you if you restrict the monopoly of the the SMP.
We are the new Thomas Jeffersons or Thomas Paines of the new era.

BigAl
BigAl
6 years ago

There was a really interesting Twilight Zone episode where a convict in isolation on a lonely planet is given a robot for “female companionship.” The sexbot idea has been around for a real long time. The man desperately clings to her as his prison sentence ends and they come to pick him up and return him to earth. They cant carry the weight of the robot back so he chooses to stay with her in isolation. The incels of the world will literally live this life, alone and out of touch, with only a sexbot for solace.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@BigAl

The Outer Limits had a similar episode. Actually had a pretty good twist to it and was worth watching.

Adam Man
6 years ago

Rollo, any thoughts on the Dalai Lama’s words here, he seems pretty red pill to me: http://jezebel.com/dalai-lama-a-female-dalai-lama-must-be-attractive-oth-1732350732 And also this guy: https://hbr.org/2013/08/why-do-so-many-incompetent-men there are a lot of incompetent female leaders as well, and they were probably appointed/elected b/c of their irrational confidence (ala Roissy) in the same way the men were appointed leaders. I’m finally starting to see just how blue pill thinking permeates society, in particular our educational institutions including Haaavahd. This is why so many men and women are so drawn to Trump. Whether he can lead the country is a separate issue, but the guy has balls… Read more »

Artisanal Toad
6 years ago

@Eleanor You reminded me of the joke about the man of a certain age who was having dinner with his wife at an expensive restaurant when a very beautiful woman walked over, gave him a very intimate kiss and whispered “I’ll see you later.” After she walked off his wife demanded to know who she was. He looked her in the eye and said “that’s Kelley, my mistress. If you’ll recall last year when you told me you wanted your own bedroom and just didn’t fell like having sex anymore? Well, I decided I’d stop pestering you and take care… Read more »

Roused
Roused
6 years ago

I’m a newbie to this site with about two months into it. After some major personal upheaval in my relationship with my girlfriend, sex/porn addiction, manipulation, codependency, I woke up to just what the f*k was going on with me. Holy sh*t! What a hot mess. I’ve taken the deep dive and swallowed the red pill and have felt the full side affects, big time. The pill has urped back up a few times with the bile of my eyes open and realizing a lot ugly. Reading a lot of these blog posts and your comments has bolstered my resolved… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

They weren’t man enough to “make the grade” and fuck her properly in spite of herself, so he’s the loser who’s now obsolete because she took that control for herself.

Yeah, because every woman is entitled to be properly fucked and provided for. *exaggerated eye roll* I really hope the pendulum is on the way back down. It’s like women have entered this death spiral of unhappiness. By their own creation they make massive amounts of men that cannot properly fuck them. So how to fix it? With more shaming and emasculation of course!

Eleanor
Eleanor
6 years ago

@Jeremy “says the person in the room without a penis. Quite informed on male sexual preference you must be, tell me more about what gets me going, do tell.” As if I wrote anything about “male sexual preference”, or what gets YOU going. Reading comprehension much? “Don’t kid yourself. Men made civilization for themselves, you’re along for the ride unless you and all your “sisters” feel like working an oil rig.” Why would I work in an oil rig when there are countless guys who will do it for me? I don’t even have to sleep with them, just a… Read more »

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

You’d be suprised how many men would gladly bend over and worship my heels.

You’d be surprised to find out how much you would love to bend over and worship my heels.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

Man will always be a slave, first and foremost. Whatever else you do with your time doesn’t change this fundamental truth.

Seriously? What do you do for us? Your vagina isn’t worth that much. More and more guys are waking up to this fact. Read Roused’s post. Will we continue to take care of you? Yeah, because if we don’t who will?!?! Will we fuck as many of you as possible while we do it? Yes.

Eleanor
Eleanor
6 years ago

@Rollo Tomassi

What “case” are you talking about? There is none. The fact that men will not change, illustrates the pointlessness of it all.

MGTOW are creepy defeatists. They want to retreat into the wilds or the cyberspace? Good riddance.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Eleanor – You vicious cunt, your nastiness and solipsistic nature is only exceeded by your rank stupidity. Note the following: 1. You used to be able to get men to provision for you and stay at home – now you have to work too. Some progress. 2. With “game” I get women to fuck me by manipulating their hindbrains without provisioning a thing. In fact, I’m dominant in those relationships and they feel much more like the traditional male/female relationships than “partnering” with a woman does. This 53 year old fucked a 25 yr old HB7 with an ass you… Read more »

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

Cave Clown, “It was a very convenient way to escape the truth that for most men with “ED” it was lack of attraction for the wife. It’s simple, we make it a medical issue (which implies its the mans defect), treat it with drugs, and poof! he gets it up for her. No way it was her aging or bad attitudes that killed his erections to begin with. His dick was broken. He was “MAN ENOUGH” to go to the doctor and fix it!” I’ve always thought that this was the case, but only on this site do I hear… Read more »

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

Anonymous Reader, “Even the curious ones have limits. This is one reason why talking with women, while entertaining, is sometimes not very satisfying – they just don’t know much outside of some narrow limits, as a rule. Exceptions exist, they just prove the rule.” None of the women I have ever known, without exception and including the college educated ones, have ever initiated a conversation with me about anything that didn’t directly or peripherally relate to them or something within their personal sphere of influence. I find them the least intellectually curious or challenging beings in existence. Want a wide-ranging,… Read more »

A.F.O.R.
A.F.O.R.
6 years ago

@scribblerg

Adjusted for inflation, whores have never been cheaper ;D

A.F.O.R.
A.F.O.R.
6 years ago

@longgone

Yup, been there. You’re right. Turns out it was dick telling me just how deep and meaningful the conversation was.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“Turns out it was dick telling me just how deep and meaningful the conversation was.”

lol, Yeah. They could care less how the world works. They just care how the world works for them.

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

Blaximus,

“To the commenters here, excuse me. I couldn’t help myself. I opened up a big can of Troll food.”

No biggy, you earned a slip-up by posting the Patrice vid. Thanks btw.

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

“I’ve always thought that this was the case, but only on this site do I hear it spoken about. Interestingly, the hot chick cooing the current Viagra ads could render the product unnecessary!”

Dicks don’t lie.

It’s amazing though that we can be convinced that our dicks do lie.

I was actually convinced at age 29 that I had an ED problem, and ignored the fact that she was very simply not passing the boner test.

I listen to my dick now…he’s a lot smarter than I am, lol.

Chump No More
Chump No More
6 years ago

@BigAl,

Actually the space ship captain shot the fembot and he and the convict left the asteroid, but your point is still valid… The fembot was very real to the convict and he would not have left without the captain’s intervention.

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

“None of the women I have ever known, without exception and including the college educated ones, have ever initiated a conversation with me about anything that didn’t directly or peripherally relate to them or something within their personal sphere of influence.” College educated ones are the worst. No facts, all opinion. And they are not having a conversation, they are qualifying. Either trying to qualify themselves to you, or testing you for beta-tude. Off-topic, Through complete bad luck, I am having to work one-on-one with a female attorney (not divorce related). I normally would NEVER hire a female attorney, but… Read more »

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

Cave,

“I was actually convinced at age 29 that I had an ED problem, and ignored the fact that she was very simply not passing the boner test.”

The only ED I ever remember from my 20’s was when the ginger I was fucking passed out drunk.

Roused,
Welcome aboard.

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

Cave,

“That’s a unique shirt, order it online?”

“I like the bracelet, was it your Grandma’s?”

Comments like these to the cows on the dating site I subscribe to are the only entertainment it brings me. ( I know….. I know….I just keep forgetting to cancel and they hit my card….. but it’s cheaper fun than the dates that never happen!) By the way NONE of the chicks from 15 years younger, up to my age that I’ve seen there pass the boner test. NONE! Yet they prattle on in their profiles in the most adorable entitled way.

Seraph
6 years ago

@Trolleanor, “Yet for all of your fantasies about replacing the warm embrace of a goddess… Sorry to burst your bubble, but a fucking bot can’t replace the passion and warmth of a real woman. Passion and warmth, eh? you conveinently overlook the fact that you’re SLAVES to womankind, and you DEPEND on us to create a new generation of slaves. Have you been paying your taxes, my cute little slave? And if the particularly creepy ones… ….men will forever break their backs to serve womankind… Ahhh, I swear I get a warm little glow in my chest whenever a troll… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
6 years ago

God damn, Ellenwhore is a savage, it’s pretty weird having a female overtly talk about the FI like that, insanity didn’t even do that lol

Also, we need them sexbots asap, I would absolutely wreck that ass

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Eleanor September 23rd, 2015 at 8:48 am @Jeremy As if I wrote anything about “male sexual preference”, or what gets YOU going. Reading comprehension much? Moving the goalposts much? Here’s your actual statement: These sophisticated toys are not particularly different than 2D porn, and will not change anything on a wide scale. Sorry to burst your bubble, but a fucking bot can’t replace the passion and warmth of a real woman. The implied presumption there is knowledge of the fact that men prefer the passion and warmth of a real woman over a robot. You’re also ignoring the thousands of… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Men would still do all of the things they do without women anywhere, women are simply along for the ride. My advice to you? Shut up and enjoy the ride… It’s like a man is driving a car with a woman in the passenger seat. He’s totally in control of the vehicle, but she can’t stop bitching and fussing and telling him “Watch out!” for things he’s already seen, whining about the air conditioner being too cold or not cold enough, wanting to switch Sirius feeds, fretting that something might go wrong with the car, wondering aloud if they are… Read more »

CaveClown
CaveClown
6 years ago

“Some women control men by pretending to be submissive. Others, like myself, are dominant.”

It is literally beyond this person’s ability to understand that a woman CAN be submissive to a man and not be pretending.

Just more solipsism. Not able to see past the end of her own nose. SHE (?) can’t ever submit to a man, so any woman that does must be pretending.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Yeah, almost like a disgruntled Beta male trying to convince us he’s a woman to prove a point, huh?

Or a Gamma.

SD
SD
6 years ago

Take care, men ,to not trust the Internet as the final yardstick of progress. The majority of men define their lives by how much they serve women. Reading blogs in the manosphere and comments on feminist sites, you would think feminism will be toppled tomorrow. Regrettably this is not the case in the wider world. From my view, most young men view themselves as accessories to women. If they’re not having sex, modern guys believe it is because they’re not “supporting” their women enough . Or they take her filibustering at face value and decide “I’m a horny guy but… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Rollo Tomassi Nerds would build new electronic gadgets without women anywhere nearby in fact they do this already, women are along for the ride. I’ve always wondered how many women who are now addicted to their cell phones selfies, FaceBook, SnapChat, Pinterest, Instagram and Twitter, absolutely despised the nerds in high school who’d go on to create all of those tech innovations. I’d say 90%+ of the girls I knew from high school who friend me on FaceBook fit this bill. So, one thing that struck me from meeting you in person, Rollo, was that you’re just as intellectually curious… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Rollo Tomassi

You see when women tell you how they ‘feel’ it’s called “open communication”, when men appeal to women’s reason it’s called “Mansplaining”.

That doesn’t mean that women shouldn’t feel the pain of smashing their head against reason when they try to insist that their shitty logic works. Also, Elanor only presumably has a vagina, it’s still possible it’s a white knight male.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Rollo

90%? That seems low. I’d say 100% of them for me.

A.F.O.R.
A.F.O.R.
6 years ago

But they are worth it Rollo. The nerds should be grateful they have amazing females like Eleanor to make their funny stupid little gadgets for.

A.F.O.R.
A.F.O.R.
6 years ago

Must have been a barrage of replies in between reading and posting. This was in reply to your comment on page 3

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

I followed you AFOR, and your A&A was better than my reasoning.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

@Eleanor- “I will never be “obsolete”, and neither will be my sisters. Your petty “rebellion” against “feminine imperative” and “hypergamy” is adorable. Yet for all of your fantasies about replacing the warm embrace of a goddess with a cold, souless sexbot, you conveinently overlook the fact that you’re SLAVES to womankind, and you DEPEND on us to create a new generation of slaves. Have you been paying your taxes, my cute little slave? These sophisticated toys are not particularly different than 2D porn, and will not change anything on a wide scale. Sorry to burst your bubble, but a fucking… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

Yes, Rollo, but I have no interest in Elanor’s feelings on the matter. I’m not trying to charm her. Unless your point is that I should be practicing game at all times, even on an internet comment section, in which case I admit error.

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
6 years ago

I wondered if Eleanor was actually a MGTOW troll in the first post. You don’t generally see women calling PUAs slaves and taking about how the government is at their beck and call – that’s a MGTOW tack. The follow up directly mentioning Stardusk seals it. Sad really – such tactics can only reflect badly on the person’s “ability” to argue logically. Anyway, Rollo I’d really like to see an article from you clearly spelling out what exactly you think is “complementary” that a woman provides in a relationship that a man can’t provide for himself. I don’t see it…… Read more »

Seraph
6 years ago

@SD, The only men females would give a rat’s about using sexbots would be those with great social and financial power-the same kind of guys she wants to secure financing for her kids and lifestyle, and the aforementioned social shaming ensures those men wouldnt risk being caught so much as googling a sexbot.Sure those guys can plate spin easily , but the Redpill philosophy is still rare enough that it won’t ever occur to more then one man in ten to do so. Seems illogical to me, if I may be so bold. An Alpha, which is what I presumed… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

For every Scott Peterson out there, there are thousands more who are just barley restrained from committing the same.

Existing under the thin skin of politics, laws and social conventions resides nature.

No amount of “debate” has ever changed nature and never will.

When nature gets fucked with, nature fights back without remorse, pity or shame and nature always wins.

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

What’s incredibly ironic is that Milo is a notoriously, flamboyantly gay man. Really? Oh well. That explains a lot, though. In one of your earlier posts you explained that, say, only Dr. Helen Smith could write a honest, non-feminist book about ‘men on strike’ and not suffer any serious repercussions. It’d be inconceivable for a man to write about the same issues in the same tone and get away with it. Likewise I’m pretty sure it’d be inconceivable for a heterosexual man to write a two-part column on the Sexodus and another about sexbots and get a mainstream news site… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

Didn’t Milo say that he “went gay” in part because of how adversarial the sexes were to each other?

I found that comment of his worth a lot of conversation.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

Women have a problem with porn, sexbots, prostitution, etc. for two reasons.

1. Competition

2. Porn, sexbots, prostitution, etc. all manifest the actual value of women.

This makes women a paradox as they compete to be the best at what they deny they are.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago

@Rollo Tommassi Communal red pill Knowndonorresgistry.org “Men like to have a purpose. So it should emphasize the deplorable condition of women that men are increasingly finding them so intolerable now that even the most self-sacrificing of them are looking for better solutions.” Still letting this sink in… “I understand and accept my burden of performance and I excel in it” In part why your work is so profound as a child becoming a teenager I was ridiculed for instinctively knowing this but tripping up on an expression of it. “What value added aspects will you develop to make both sexes… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

I do ink this will be hArder than people think though. I was just fucking this young woman the other night and while reading today, I was trying to imagine a machine doing what we did. The noises, the embraces, the various holes, the communication etc. I. Ean it needs to be a whole lot more than a flashlight stuck in a doll, right? This is the 26 yr old N. That I’ve mentioned here before. It’s been 9 months since we last fucked and she was like “You’re different, you’ve got some new moves”. All I did was fuck… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

Roosh was is an idiot to exclude gay men from the masculinity equation in his “movement”.

Not if we assume he’s basically pandering to the RIght. Which he probably is.

A.F.O.R.
A.F.O.R.
6 years ago

Completely O/T (Apart from dubious sex bots I guess) but I found this mentioned on another site and am curious as to what TRM’s audience response would be

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/

wacokid
6 years ago

1973 Westworld The Adult Theme Park

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@AFOR Re: PEDO As I said earlier, male sexual arousal is something I, and all other men, cannot turn off. Men are biologically hard-wired to find something arousing enough to create a biological reaction and from that a literal biological need that will last most of their lives. This is a biological necessity that in normal circumstances serves to ensure that men are not so disinterested in women, or too interested in other things such that many many women get impregnated. I believe that early socialization of males contributes to a large degree as to what that adult male will… Read more »

BigAl
BigAl
6 years ago

@Sun

Thanks man I’ll check that out.

@Chump No More

You’re right. Hadnt seen it in a few years

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
6 years ago

@Rollo That post doesn’t even hint at how a man would actually benefit in any way from a woman’s opportunistic love – ie the “man gives, woman takes, and men should just feel good about benefiting a woman” dynamic. It covers how it would have evolved – that in a world where survival is in question, the individuals who prioritize the woman’s needs would be most likely to pass their genes on in much larger numbers. However, in “first world” countries, survival is not really in question anymore. Despite all the mewling about how “the one percent is keeping everyone… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Jeremy The thing I’ve noticed is that FI-driven society tries to play any guy who won’t religiously follow the “Half plus seven” rule of dating as a “creepy pedo”, even if the chicks he’s interested in are quite legal. I ran in to this some with my ex. I was 34, she was 18. Some times in a joking fashion, some times very seriously with the words “You shouldn’t be dating children”, I was told I should be dating closer to my age. The stink eye from women my age was noticeable. I’ve actually had the discussion with a lot… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Pellaeon As I stated in my earlier post, it seems to me that the only benefits women provide that a man can’t is sex and validation – adopting homemaker traits really doesn’t change that much. With that said, I’m not trying to say that there absolutely isn’t some complementary benefit – I’m just saying that I don’t see it and you have yet to explain it. Submission is validation. If you get a woman to submit to you, she is validating your contribution to her life, and by extension, to your place in the husbandry of the “line.” I would… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Sun Ya, that’s why I didn’t throw numbers into my comment. Age numbers are meaningless, because biology doesn’t work by trips around the sun, it proceeds at a variable rate. Men are biologically programmed to find things attractive, so if they see what they are programmed to find attractive, they’re going to react. The addendum to that is that not all arousal is prompted by the visual. Do you need to *see* women to get aroused? Nope. I think Rollo has commented on this before. Blind men, who have never in their lives witnessed a female hourglass shape visually, are… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

I would argue that many of the “homemaker traits” fall into the submission category and are daily validations provided to a high value man. It can be, but without sex on tap at all times it’s pretty hollow validation. Look, I can clean my own quarters, cook my own food, hang up my own art, choose my own music, mix my own drin, ,clean the toilet – having a woman do all of that is a form of validation, but if it comes in a sterile, sexless package (or an “IV drip sex” or “starfish” sex, for that matter) it’s… Read more »

Novaseeker
Novaseeker
6 years ago

Pretty sure that the troll is not a female. A dominant female isn’t familiar with Stardusk. It’s a male troll, probably a MGTOW one.

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