Planned Obsolescence

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The mainstream loves a salacious story about the sexual misconducts of men. With the recent Ashley Madison data leak the narrative was one of blaming and shaming the overwhelming majority of men who signed up for an account to cheat in their spouses. This has resulted in more than one suicide. A topic of the Man in Demand Q&A session I fielded was how the Red Pill lens isn’t limited to just scoffing at the Blue Pill in popular media, but that it also gives men a sensitivity and awareness to better understand the motivations for social narratives like this.

Red Pill aware men understand that if there is an opportunity to cast blame or doubt on a man over his sexual impulse, or the consequences for allowing it to lead to behavior that conflicts with a feminine-primary social order, shaming will always be the go-to, socially acceptable strategy. Sex will always be a clichéd thumbscrew to gauge men’s personal resolve, and this is a built-in failsafe of control for the Blue Pill’s conditioning of men.

Red Pill men understand the motivating incentives for this “cheating” and that in a westernizing culture, 50%+ of marriages are clinically and practically sexless, it’s not hard to understand the want for a man to find some temporary sexual release in infidelity, porn or delusions of emotional infidelity. It’s also easy to understand how the paradox of commitment would drive such men to suicide.

This is simply one data point of many in a larger Red Pill awareness that indicates some very uncomfortable truths women need to confront; whether single or married, men will actively seek a practical solution to their sexlessness. And it is just this sexual problem solving that will ultimately challenge women’s unilateral, social and personal power over their own Hypergamy. On a limbic level women and the imperative are aware of this challenge. Thus, it’s controlled for by investing in conditioning men to feel guilt or shaming for ever embracing their masculine sexual nature. It’s a threat.

Keep this fact in mind as I explore today’s topic. Women and feminine-primary culture have done an amazing job at commodifying women’s singular, primary agency with men – their physicality and sexual availability. It’s de rigueur in the manosphere to write articles about women reducing themselves to being next to valueless to men beyond their sexual attributes. I’ve written in the past about women’s commodifying love and sex, however recently women are being forced to face the realities of making their sexuality a commodity.

What women, both prominent and insignificant, are coming to realize is that the ultimate plan of feminism (destroying the evolved, complementary family structure of parenting) is really a planned obsolescence for womankind. As I was coming to this realization I found it rather ironic that only 5 years ago we had the likes of Hannah Rosin profiting from the idea that men were (or were becoming) obsolete. Five years later it appears the fear now is that it’s women who will become obsolete in the most literal, commodified sense. That fear is beginning to show.

In the Future Sexbots will Drink Feminist Tears

If you follow me on twitter or you’re even peripherally aware of MSM gender sensationalism in a Red Pill context you’ll know that the topic du jour this week is the coming, realistic, availability of robotic sex partners and the efforts being made to legislate against their development by ‘concerned’ women. Heartiste and many other manosphere writers naturally picked up on this. I particularly enjoyed Milo Yiannopoulos’ piece Sexbots: Why Women Should Worry.

But male sexual appetites are easily satisfied, despite what women will tell you. Blow jobs really aren’t that difficult, and in any case most blokes are fine with a pizza and a wank. For many men, sex is a nice bonus, but it’s not essential. When you introduce a low-cost alternative to women that comes without all the nagging, insecurity and expense, frankly men are going to leap in headfirst.

One of the primary and evolved differences in men and women’s neural firmware is that men are natural and intrinsic problem solvers. I’ve pointed it out in many an essay; men are wired to solve problems with a rudimentary, deductive logic process. It’s one of the reasons we get ourselves into such horribly misled predicaments with women; we expect a binary, A to B to C level of reason with women (reinforced by equalist ideology) and deductively try to solve a sex and intimacy problem with them.

Improvisation and innovation are what we do to live better; one reason men naturally view women as sex objects is literally due to wiring in our brains that predispose us to using tools. So it’s really not much of a stretch to see how men will use this inventiveness to solve a need for sex. And in an intersexual social environment that’s predicated on the commodification of sex, well, you can see how the advancement of sexual substitutes and virtual sexual experiences would be driven by supply and demand.

It’s science fiction at this stage, but the ball is rolling and this is causing the Feminine Imperative to confront uncomfortable possibilities with just the proposition of having a sexual monopoly disrupted be the innovations of men.

Do Robots Dream of Electric Sin?

As might be expected, Dalrock took a shot at this story from a Christian moralistic angle – would sex with a convincing facsimile of a woman qualify as sinning?

InnocentBystanderBoston had a good comment in that thread:

Aside from the purely moral question, there is another risk regarding sexbots. Our economy is built on the expectation that men will be motivated by marriage to produce in excess of their own needs. As we continue to degrade marriage, sexbots will be there to fill the gaps.

…with unilateral divorce law and the accompanying cash and prizes awarded to the female courtesy of judges immersed in the feminist imperative, I think s-xbots pretty much end marriage. If marriage isn’t completely destroyed forever with version 2.0, the s-xbot will most certainly destroy it. And why? The s-xbot will always give you s-x on demand. It will stay at home, faithful to you. It will not spend your money and ruin your credit rating. It will not get a judge to sign a restraining order against you. It can’t divorce you and take cash and prizes. It will never age maintaining its peak SMV forever (if you believe in Rollo’s charts.) So that will pretty much be it for feminism. Without the surplus wealth created by men to subsidize the parasitic nature of feminist centric Marriage 2.0, there can be no feminism. Women are net wealth consumers. Without husbands, there lives will ONLY be in decline. The feminist imperative can NOT allow these s-xbots to be made.

On a rudimentary level feminism has always recognized that women’s only real agency with men is sex. We can see this in the feminine-centric commodification of sex, and we can see this truth in (third wave) feminism’s embrace of sex positivity – but again, only within the confines of a feminine-centric and unilaterally feminine controlled context for that sex to happen in.

The increasingly more accepted Yes Means Yes legalistic checklist that underwrites sexual relations (for what feminists know will always be defined by ambiguous circumstances) is a glaring example of this litigious overreach in an effort to lock down unilateral control of Hypergamy for women. This is the degree of paranoia that the doubt of Hypergamous insecurity inspires in those women less capable of intrasexual competition with their sisters to secure it.

When granted the social facilities to do so, women will always base their personal choices, their personal ideologies, their social order and their legislative doctrines around relieving themselves of Hypergamous doubt and insecurities. In truth, women’s evolved socio-sexual filtering ensures that there is no practical relief from this. There is no 100% assuredness of Hypergamous choice; Hypergamy doubts optimization even after the best of choices, but if given the power, women will build a social order around an attempt to mutually allay that doubt, allay that sexual competition anxiety, and all at men’s expense and disempowerment.

Becoming Obsolete

If you ever need an example of the duplicity with which the Feminine Imperative really aligns itself with equalism, look no further than how that “equality” is expressed with preferring pro-feminine solutions to social problems.

There is a fundamental fear women experience in just the prospect of not having 100% control over their sexual selection, sexual strategy and ultimately optimization of their Hypergamy. Anything that challenges women’s unilateral control of their Hypergamous power – such as prostitution, male hormonal birth control, female viagra, DNA testing for paternity and now sexbots – must be ruthlessly and preemptively legislated against if feminine social primacy is to be maintained. Even the idea of sexbots destroying women’s monopoly on sex, however fantastical, must be eliminated before it becomes a threat.

Kathleen Richardson, a professor at De Montfort University in England, serves as an excellent example of this axiom:

“Sex robots seem to be a growing focus in the robotics industry and the models that they draw on — how they will look, what roles they would play — are very disturbing indeed,” she told the BBC.

She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women and the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical.

“We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women,” she said.

I would agree that it is detrimental in these terms, but the fear of losing feminine primacy is evident in just the prospect of sexbots.

The squid ink here is the concern for reinforcing “traditional stereotypes” of women for the almost unanimously male demographic who’d buy a sexual substitute (notice there is no call for creating morbidly obese variants of sexbots). The real fear is that men prefer that stereotype and it would force women to confront the truth that if they don’t accommodate men’s physical and psychological preferences (conventional femininity) they will progressively devalue women’s sexual agency over them by opting for the sexbot.

And that is a very pressing threat to women’s control over Hypergamy.

What were witnessing here is the acknowledgement that shaming men for their inventiveness in resolving their sexual needs isn’t working. Thus the social and legislative power the Feminine Imperative wields has to be invoked. Naturally there will be “think of the children” appeals and the admonishments of dehumanization on the part of men, but the binary truth is that women’s prime commodity (sex) could be reduced to making women obsolete.

The following is an exchange between Vitriol and YaReally from the last post.

“However, the biggest secret they all want to hide is that using money, whether doing something like you described or paying for pussy outright, is the most efficient way to get laid. If your main goal is to get laid as much as possible, does it matter whether you followed some arbitrary rules that some guy posted on the internet along the way? ”

lol brb taking a helicopter to the top of Mount Everest because it’s more efficient than those dumbasses who actually CLIMB it. It DOES matter to men who’s goal isn’t “to get laid as much as possible” but is “to get laid by girls who are legitimately into me, as much as possible”. To each their own.

If we accept the Pareto Principle as a rough guideline, 80% of men are Betas who simply don’t care to, or accept that they don’t have the capacity to, concern themselves with learning how to “get laid with girls who are genuinely into them.” They’ll create every manner of rationale to convince themselves that the girl who solves his sexual thirst is genuinely into him, or he’ll opt for the most available, most feasible, means to resolve that sexual deprivation. The ubiquitousness of free, easily accessible, streaming hi-def pornography is a testament to this dynamic.

Whether the reality of convincing sexbots is ever achieved isn’t really relevant in this equation, the fear of losing primary control of Hypergamy is what’s at stake. We see this fear manifested in criminalizing prostitution and the shame of men seeking sexual release via pornography and Ashley Madison accounts.

Recently I was asked about my take on the legal pushback on the part of women to regulate or outright ban the FDA approval of the female form of Viagra. From the socially acceptable perspective the fear is that the drug might be used as another (more effective) date rape drug. From a Red Pill perspective the fear is, once again, rooted in women’s fear of men circumventing women’s sexual strategy by chemically influencing their arousal process.

It’s one thing to forcibly rape a woman and thereby take control of her Hypergamous choice, but it quite another to prompt her into engaging in sex she is influenced to by some extrinsic means. As such, women’s sexual selection and Hypergamous optimization is effectively mitigated if not removed from the sexual equation by an invention of men. So once again we see the nervous efforts of the Feminine Imperative to ban any prospective attempts by men to exercise even a marginal control over Hypergamy.

Women have access to safe and legal abortion (a Hypergamous control), but a drug that might influence their libido and thus lead them to sexual choices they might no otherwise control and make, even the idea of that innovation needs regulation. Remove women from the sexual selection and arousal process and you make their only value – the value westernized women have systematically established for themselves – effectively obsolete.

That’s not a judgement call. Women tend to conflate their personal, intrinsic value with their sexual market value. However, in the SMP that is predicated upon women’s only value to men being sexual (not as life mates, mothers, or personal worth), the monopoly of sexual leverage becomes toothless.

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Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Palleon There’s a lot of straw manning going on against Bob’s post here. At no point did he say “wouldn’t it be great if we could lower our testosterone?” He said, “wouldn’t it be great if we could control our sex drive?” I guess you missed this paragraph: But now and before you are endlessly (and-admitted-interestingly) talking about fulfilling the male sex drive with fembots,3-d porn etc. and completely ignoring another possible solution for the male sex drive: Suppressing or even remove it with chemical (anti-androgen) substances. Or maybe you are under the mistaken illlusion that suppressing or even removing… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

“Bob”, attempting to reframe away from your bad idea by dragging in Ritalin is not very clever. There’s a long history on this site of men strongly objecting to the drugging of boys for the “crime” of being boys. If you actually knew anything about finisteride, you’d know that in some men the effects are long lasting, and possibly permanent even after they stop taking it. If you knew diddly squat about the endocrine system you’d know that playing around with it like a yo-yo is a dangerous thing to do, because T plays a role in a whole host… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

“Bob” I also mentioned the possibility of RAISING one’s testosterone level.Nobody cared about that.It didn’t fit their agenda… Er, “Bob”? That’s not what you said before. You wrote this: You and others seemingly don’t get my idea: That there’s an optimal level of testosterone in any phase of a man’s live.And that a higher (or lesser!) testosterone level wouldn’t be optimal. So in fact, you are self contradictory. Hmm. Self contradicts, engages in passive-aggressive trolling, is ignorant of the male endocrine system, doesn’t understand how men control their sex drive right now… Gosh, “Bob”, you are kind of a different… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

““Bob”, I wonder what your T level is? Does it fluctuate on a 28 day cycle, perhaps? . . . And you popped in this thread right after “Doc” faded out . . .”

I have considered the possibility that it is Eleanor’s counterpart.

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
6 years ago

@Bob Good bye,Pellaeon.You are more ore less the only pleasant person here.The others are absolutely the prototype of the “ugly American”,hated all over the world-aggressive,loudmouthy and arrogant. That’s not true – you just appear to have touched on a nerve, and we’re seeing some knee-jerk reactions. There’s plenty of good discussions that occur here when you’re not touching on a subject that confronts certain ego investments. I’d suggest sticking around and at least lurking for a while – even if you just skip reading the comments. Rollo posts some rather eye opening articles that are very valuable. @HH I doubt… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“The others are absolutely the prototype of the “ugly American” . . .”

Dear Sir and/or Madam,

It is my duty to inform you that you are making use of a technology known as the World Wide Web.

Thank you for your attention and have whatever sort of day rows your boat.

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Pellaeon There’s a lot of straw manning going on against Bob’s post here. …He DID NOT say that male sex drive is toxic, nor did he say that testosterone is liability. Wrong. Absolutely wrong. He said this by implication. If there were nothing wrong with male sex drive, why did he even have to suggest being able to lower the sex drive? If there is nothing wrong with it, why would anyone ever want/need to lower it? Let’s converse the situation. Lets say there is a single hormone that is given responsibility for hypergamy and female sexuality, etc. Let’s also… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Jeremy – “If there were nothing wrong with male sex drive, why did he even have to suggest being able to lower the sex drive?” It’s a simple misunderstanding of the problem. The problem isn’t male sex drive or testosterone. The problem is a general suppression of masculinity, which creates an excess of male energy and few proper outlets for most men, and boys to spend that energy. Bob suggests lowering sex drive because he has misunderstood the problem, and therefore cannot imagine correct answers. Much like the cretins that control public education in the US will drug non compliant… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

OT: Thunderf00t just made an ironic video called, “What if men acted like feminists.” Keep in mind that Thunderf00t is smart, but not red-pill. He is anti-feminist however. In making this video, he was being absurd/ironic. But what’s hilarious is he’s actually hitting on tremendous amounts of truth while trying to be sarcastic.

Vid here:

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Ahhh…..Pellaeon….. The old “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” trick. The argument from ignorance is a fallacy in informal logic.You represent a false dichotomy in that it excludes other myriad of options,none of which provides a proper premise for your thesis. “Have you read some research on the subject that indicated it’s not possible?” No. But I did go to medical school 2 1/2 decades ago and I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express since then. You still want to argue its feasibility or would you rather argue its desirability here based on the false premise that it… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Badpainter It’s a simple misunderstanding of the problem. The problem isn’t male sex drive or testosterone. The problem is a general suppression of masculinity, which creates an excess of male energy and few proper outlets for most men, and boys to spend that energy. Indeed, and it’s blue-pill thinking to think that it’s the men who need changing. I did a literal double-take once when a friend recently said out loud (his wife and other women nearby), “Yes, I believe that we live in an era of toxic masculinity.” On that once instance I directly challenged him and it turned… Read more »

SD
SD
6 years ago

Whoa .What a discussion. I’ll speak this briefly. Let us face reality; the dating market for us men isn’t ideal and is unlikely to be so for us in the future outside of some massively implausible event like alien invasion or WW3. The women have the government in their corner. Good, bad or ugly that’s the fact of things. Thus ,the risk to a mans assets and self determination in a personal interaction with women is higher for men is then was in the past . Some men accept the risk of casual contact resulting in a pregnancy or STD… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

Implementing a bachelor tax is the worst possible idea western women could have at this point. One, you’d have to apply it equally to unmarried women, otherwise it violates the 14th amendment. They would literally be applying it to most feminists if they supported this. Second, forcing developed-world men to marry, with current easy-immigration laws, simply forces the hand of western men to import women from countries that haven’t been so polluted by “complementary roles is evil” nonsense. That means white women die out, and hello Asia/Brazil.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“Ten years from now it may be outright illegal to be a single man in some countries.”

They can put me in the camps – if they can take me alive. Remember Warsaw. Never again.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  kfg

@Jeremy “your thinking that it’s justifiable for men to simply adapt their hormonal response to more easily fit into society as-is, when society as-is is the problem.” That got me to the redpill “It’s sad and frightening that that is the level of discourse we have. Masculine behavior is literally taken for granted to be problematic, even by men on a red pill forum.” Team won the game today. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9t0ySVGRK90 Kinda had the scene running through my head. We won but it’s the team work. It’s the red pill being shrewd as a gift. To me it’s both sad and… Read more »

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
6 years ago

@Jeremy “He DID NOT say that male sex drive is toxic, nor did he say that testosterone is liability.” Wrong. Absolutely wrong. He said this by implication. No he did not. He said that it is undesirable to be unable to fulfill an intense craving that will never craving and that constantly hounds you. I can understand why you would jump to that conclusion though – there are a lot of voices, particularly from the feminist front, that like to make those implications. I do not, and I have not seen that from Bob. Most especially because the general tone… Read more »

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

Indeed, and it’s blue-pill thinking to think that it’s the men who need changing.

Not at all. The notion that women are inherently passive, incapable of voluntarily changing their behavior and also unwilling to do so, incapable of resisting cultural conditioning and peer pressure from the sisterhood, is apparently a fundamental tenet among self-proclaimed red pillers. Talk to any of them, and he (or she, for that matter) will be glad to explain that only men can change anything in society and change themselves, and ultimately it’s men’s fault if women behave in undesirable and destructive ways.

hoellenhund2
6 years ago

Implementing a bachelor tax is the worst possible idea western women could have at this point. One, you’d have to apply it equally to unmarried women, otherwise it violates the 14th amendment. They would literally be applying it to most feminists if they supported this No. They’ll most likely do what they’re already doing: increase the tax burden on all unmarried people in the name of the common good, and then make it sure the legislation is worded in such a way that all sorts of exemptions are available. And it’ll just happen, by pure coincidence, of course, that those… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

@Bob – I had no problem with you up until now – but it’s now clear you are a gaping mangina. Especially with the “ugly American” comment – which I’m sure you don’t actually understand the actual etymology ofas the movie from which it comes makes the exact opposite point you are using it to make, fucktard. I get it, you live in a society that has been utterly feminized and are unused to the rough and tumble world of real men who aren’t afraid to be men and masculine. Don’t let the door hit you in your pseudo-intellectual ass… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . the movie from which it comes . . . ”

Just a note that the movie comes from a novel.

Roused
Roused
6 years ago

http://therationalmale.com/2012/07/27/pathologizing-the-male-sexual-response/ @King A wrote: “Men sexually respond more aggressively than women, yes. But recognizing the necessary boundaries put on aggression is not “pathologizing” aggression. Rather, it is giving men the means to rationally control their urges. You suspect any attempt at controlling our base urges is pernicious, but that’s because your selective assumptions about those urges are as driven by ideology as the feminists’ are, if on opposite ends of the spectrum. So ask yourself, if: overindulging thirst leads to water poisoning; overindulging hunger leads to obesity; overindulging a dopamine kick leads to heroin addiction; overindulging porn leads to impotence;… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  Roused

@Bob Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don’t you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can’t think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you’re supposed to read? Do you think every thing you’re supposed to think? Buy what you’re told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet… Read more »

Bob
Bob
6 years ago

@ Jeremy “Bob would fit right into every intolerant group in history,finding justification for medically/chemically/physically altering large sections of the population against their will just because their inherents traits are deemed “undesirable” by others” It’s NOT me,but the U.S. population,who “fits right into every intolerant group in history,finding justification for medically (Ritalin treatment) altering large sections of the population (MILLIONS of CHILDREN) against their will just because their inherent traits (their natural needs to move) are deemed undesirable by others” (U.S. schools and their teachers) Anyway you are simply paranoiac.As Pellaon mentioned,I NOWHERE suggested,let alone mentioned,that someone should be FORCED… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Pellaeon No he did not. He said that it is undesirable to be unable to fulfill an intense craving that will never craving and that constantly hounds you. Not what he said. What he said was this: You think so? I think You and all men can.”Yes,we can”… But now and before you are endlessly (and-admitted-interestingly) talking about fulfilling the male sex drive with fembots,3-d porn etc. and completely ignoring another possible solution for the male sex drive: Suppressing or even remove it with chemical (anti-androgen) substances. Those were his first and third paragraphs. He wasn’t talking about the “pain… Read more »

Marquerite
Marquerite
6 years ago

Are you assholes aware that you’re, basically, saying women owe you sex? Women don’t owe you shit, assholes! Women are fully functioning, independent, human beings with the right to fuck you, or not, as they see fit. The horror! The horror!

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
6 years ago

@Jeremy Not what he said. What he said was this: You think so? I think You and all men can.”Yes,we can”… But now and before you are endlessly (and-admitted-interestingly) talking about fulfilling the male sex drive with fembots,3-d porn etc. and completely ignoring another possible solution for the male sex drive: Suppressing or even remove it with chemical (anti-androgen) substances. Those were his first and third paragraphs. He wasn’t talking about the “pain of having a desire you can’t fulfill” He was primarily discussing chemically altering male sex drive because “Yes Men Can” or should be able to stop their… Read more »

Marquerite
Marquerite
6 years ago

Statistically speaking, the odds are about 50% that any any one member of the manosphere is american. The other 50% is spread out over the developed countries.
Although, Canada does house a rather high number, as well. Roughly, 20%.
Also, I do mean developed countries. Third world countries, of course, are horrible places for women and are rife with misogyny. However, since women there are far from equal in the eyes of the law, there’s no need for decent woman-hating men to congregate in the dankest, darkest, seediest parts of the internet to lick their imaginary wounds.

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Marquerite

Don’t be ridiculous Marquerite, no one here was saying that women owe them sex. We will, however, expect future sexbots to perform on command, and I think a lot of men will enjoy that.

Seraph
6 years ago

@Bob, In short: For Hitler the U.S. really were “the greatest country on earth” Congratulations! I’ll just put this here for ya’… “I don’t see much future for the Americans … it’s a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities … my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance … everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it’s half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together?” ― Adolf Hitler, Hitler’s Secret Conversations, 1941-1944 Your concern trolling for the… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Speaking of drugs that men are routinely given, it appears that statins (anti- cholesterol / prescribed to prevent heart attacks) actually accelerate aging by interfering with stem cell operation.

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/608210/statins-age-you-faster-new-research-suggests-long-term-use-warning

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Marquerite, get back in the kitchen. This place is far too hot for you.

Run along now, dearie, the men are talking.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Seraph, you have fallen into “Bob”‘s frame – rather than push “Bob” to defend the unscientific and medically dangerous idea that men would benefit from having their T modulated down, you are following ‘Bob” in a goal-shift. “Bob” clearly cannot defend the ridiculous notion that men’s T is a problem, that Testosterone itself is “problematic” as the SJW’s my say. So “Bob” chose to passively-aggressively concern-troll the Americans on the site in an obvious attempt to both distract from the dangerous and unscientific “lower your T” idea and to hijack the thread. Note that “Bob” appeared after “Doc” was unable… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Hey, “Bob”, why can’t you defend your stupid, unscientific notion that lowering T would be good for men by responding to me?

What part of “It would make a man’s brain shrink” did you not understand?

Or are you just another disruptive troll looking to hijack this comment thread?

How come you can’t “man up” and actually debate your stupid idea in scientific terms I wonder?

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Marquerite – “Also, I do mean developed countries. Third world countries, of course, are horrible places for women and are rife with misogyny.” Who gives a fuck about the third world countries? Marquerite, what you willing to do about it? Anything more than write a strongly worded letter? Certainly we can count on you to run and hide and expect a man to do the real work whilst you cry, and complain and generally contr5ibute jack shit to the solution. The third world is not my fault, and not my problem. Besides the rules of anticolonial-multicultural-post modern tolerance say we… Read more »

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
6 years ago

Speaking of drugs that men are routinely given, it appears that statins (anti- cholesterol / prescribed to prevent heart attacks) actually accelerate aging by interfering with stem cell operation. Yes, statins are incredibly nasty drugs. Have you read “The Great Cholesterol Con” by Malcolm Kendrick? I found it very enlightening – he proposes the idea that stress is actually to blame for heart attacks, not cholesterol intake. Between that and “The Obesity Epidemic,” I’ve taken to eating a diet high in fat for the past three years, and my blood pressure has remained excellent. Apparently, the fact that statins decrease… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Pellaeon: ” . . . the fact that statins decrease heart attacks is completely unrelated to the fact that they prevent cholesterol synthesis . . . ”

And related to the fact that they increase stroke and suicide.

@Marquerite: Why do you hate Inuit, Africans, Semites and South Asians?

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Margarita “Are you assholes aware that you’re, basically, saying women owe you sex? Women don’t owe you shit, assholes! Women are fully functioning, independent, human beings with the right to fuck you, or not, as they see fit. The horror! The horror!” My name is Margarita, and I’m an ugly woman(Hb5(?), I’m mad as hell why good looking alpha (who gives me tingle) don’t want to fuck me anymore. We Ugly Women are independent holes and we want to be perceived as HB10’S who deserves the alpha high testosterone males too. We ugly women don’t like it when horny ugly… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

@bob.
If a woman tells you testosterone is bad, that means she fucked and sucked a 100 dick, and she is not attracted to you.

Guy
Guy
6 years ago

OT: Rollo, do you have any sources for your comment that many married couples only have sex once every 6 months, if at all? I’ve tried researching this in the past, and every chart I’ve seen shows an average of sexual intercourse twice/week for married couples.

Granted, studies on this phenomenon are sparse, no doubt for its implications on the FI.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Guy: Nearly every frank conversation between men who have been married at least 7 years. A factor in the conversation being frank is the knowledge (whether true or false) that they are not being charted.

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

“…enlightened being like Ghandi.”

Slept w/ pairs of naked (pre?)teenage girls to “suppress” his sex drive.
Ya riiiight!

Bob
Bob
6 years ago

@rugby11ljh “Where do you live”? I’m living in Europe.I’ll explain to you where this country lies (after all,U.S. Americans have a notoriously miserable knowledge of geography) Europe lies west of Russia and north of Africa. Russia,that’s the country where these beautiful women come from with whom so many of you want to (but will not) have sex.And the country where this evil,evil Russian Hitler Putin rules. Africa is the country where the father of your president “I’m-really- good-at killing-people” Obama comes from.And the country where the ancestors of the people your cops regularly shoot come from. Got it? Fine.Now sit… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@longgone: I saw what he did there.

@Bob: If there were any doubts before, it is now clear to all what you are doing here.

longgone
longgone
6 years ago

Bob (Roberta, IB?)

You’ve earned another time-out. Run along now.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Heheh,

Ben Franklin said ““Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain – and most fools do.”

What an epic meaningless rant.

Guy
Guy
6 years ago

@rollo Thanks for pointing me in that direction, though a search didn’t bring up any results beyond personal testimonies. I’m not going to create a reddit account just to ask for sources, but if anyone would like to, feel free. I’m bringing this up because the concept that married couples are rutting like animals is one of the final cornerstones in convincing sex-starved beta males to man up and marry. There is a common conception that the average is twice per week, and it is bleeted loud and often among articles in Huffpo, WSJ, and other major newspapers. Tellingly, the… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“You are a real laughing stock,you “angry white men” from the U.S. You are one of the most solipsistic groups on this planet.You really deserve the U.S. females you constantly complain about. You should finally ask yourself why so many people inside and outside the U.S. are hating you.You “white” U.S. men,not the 97% of other men on this planet.Not merely disliking.Hating. Because too many of you are warmongering, trigger happy, violent, paranoiac, arrogant, loudmouthy,obsessed with race etc. And above all your feeling of superiority,the famous American “exceptionalism” de Torqueville already wrote about nearly 200 years ago.The U.S. can’t be… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Bob thinks Europe is a “country. Seems it’s not only Americans who have a problem with geography. Nonetheless Europe is likely a dead man walking, a collection of subservient pussies that welcome their new masters without a fight.

Guy
Guy
6 years ago

Thanks Rollo. Hopefully I can save you a bit of work before you start. I’ve been doing a bit of digging myself, and here is what I’ve come up with so far: There was a study done in 1994 called “The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States”[1]. It recorded the SELF REPORTED sexual practices of over 3000 men and women. Because the study itself is behind a pay wall, I was only able to approximate my numbers based on articles that cite it. One article citing the study states: “32% reported having sex two to three… Read more »

Roused
Roused
6 years ago
Reply to  Guy

@guy It would be even more interesting if the data you’ve pulled together on frequency of sex for married couples had ages and length of marriage attached. Could make for a good pivot table of data. One would like to think younger couples have sex more often and as the sex drive wanes with age older couples decrease their frequency. In general anyhow. Probably hard to get good data on this as you’ve already indicated. @Rollo I had a long cross country flight today and it went by so fast as I was able to read a few more posts… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Gee, “Bob”, it’s almost as if you don’t really have anything useful to say, but just want to divert the thread away from discussing the Female Imperative. Now, why would that be, eh?

Guy
It wouldn’t surprise me if proper studies were never done on this, just as I’m not surprised that a randomly sampled test of paternity hasn’t been conducted on modern western societies. The results wouldn’t fit the narrative, so they won’t see the light of day.

Pretty much agree with this on both scores.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

When I meet a German, and ask him where do you come from, he says : I’m from Germany.
When I meet a Swiss and ask him where do you come from, he says : Switzerland.
When I meet an Italian, he says : Italy.

When somebody tells you he is from ” Europe “! He means the former eastern poor inferior Europe.
Here is a list of some “inferior” Europe who criticizes the US and A, and would love to swim and live in it :
Bulgaria.
Russia.
Romania.
Greece.
Hungary/hungry.
Moldova.
Poland.
And so on.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@keyser

So basically what you’re saying is it’s a Euro-hick.

That explains a lot.

just getting it
just getting it
6 years ago

At first I thought Bob was just summing up his odds of succeding at the game of getting laid, figured the odds were stacked too high against him and decided he didn’t want to play. Problem there is that even the most hopeless case men have the sex drive – nature doesn’t really care whether you enjoy your life or not. I’ve experienced short periods of no sex drive due to side effects of citalopram. Interestingly the dick control and the drive in the brain are separate functions – they disappeared/reappeared a few days apart from each other. It is… Read more »

Seraph
6 years ago

@Bob,

Read first couple of lines of your ‘retort’. Same concern trolling and butthurt flailing about. Boring.

@Anonymous Reader,

Sorry to disagree with you. I noted Bob’s attempt to shift the debate rather than defend his original positions and how pathetic both that tactic is, and the horseshit he tried to put in it’s place. I think his increasingly petulant responses show I, among others, struck a nerve.

You are free, of course, to engage with him however you like.

Glenn

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@just getting it

I went to see him pronto because I worried that I’d have no drive to achieve anything

Good call. Testosterone is what drives men to aggression be it in the pursuit of sex, war, sports, or business. It’s why you can’t do what Bob’s saying without removing everything that makes him a man. We are testosterone. As inconvenient as that can be, accepting it is the only way to move forward productively.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

It’s why you can’t do what Bob’s saying without removing everything that makes him a man.

I’m betting “Bob” has pretty low testosterone…

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago

@just getting it
“nature doesn’t really care whether you enjoy your life or not.”

Nature is the red pill

@Bob
Have you ever seen the rugby World Cup? Go check out what testosterone did for Japan. That’s Make drive for you destroying your complancecy.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Guy: “It recorded the SELF REPORTED . . . ” Right, Nobody is legally, but surreptitiously, placing monitoring devices on, and around the homes, of people to spy on their sexual activities. All the “studies” are self reported survey responses, some done be actual interview and some by forms. There is a joke in the field – if you ask a married couple separately about sexual frequency you will get something like this response: Husband: I don’t know. I don’t remember. Maybe a year ago? She won’t let me touch her. I spend most of my time in the garage… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@ Roused

Check out The Red Pill Primer For Boys on The Red Pill Room blog by Ian Ironwood. It’s an easy-to-understand guide to the Red Pill praxeology for teenage boys and men.

At theredpillroom (dot) blogspot (dot) com on one of the buttons on the top of the home page.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

‘The solution isn’t to chemically emasculate yourself – the solution is to attain self-mastery. All energy is sexual. The notion is that removing the desire would free up men for more esoteric pursuits, but I’d argue that removing that impulse only debilitates you from experiencing life as a man.”

Perfectly expressed! Thank you Rollo.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  SJF

@Rollo “What I think Bob fails to grasp is that men’s sexuality is the most carefully controlled dynamic, socially and individually, in modern society. The burden of that control is always on the guy. Teach men not to rape is the Rad-Fem solution to their anxiety, but they simply can’t fathom the control that is already acculturated into men in this regard.” Never been able to speak or write about how much that impacted me as a teenager. I was always a bad guy without being alpha about it because I had genetals that could potentially have sexual intercourse with… Read more »

Jsmit
Jsmit
6 years ago

Rollo, I’m not sure if you saw this, but for any of your readers, another example of open hypergamy, have-it-all entitlement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kNH0seIq2E

If the western media continues to preach this to women, I hope it all comes crashing down. Sexbots need to arrive sooner than ever.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

Back when she was riding the CC, she enjoyed the high testosterone of the alphas. Now she’s with the boring provider, she needs to find excuses for not fucking him, AND blaming HIM , and telling him she needs to be (hehe)”romanced” or a visit to a sex therapist because he’s always thinking about sex, he has a lot of testosterone, he needs to focus his energy on other things .
And some men buy into this bull!.

Blaximus
6 years ago

Woah. I can’t go away for a day or two without the comments exploding and me missing it all. What is with ” Bob “? And what in the natural fuck is this talk about negating the actions of testosterone in men? Look, I like a good debate as much as the next guy, but when I hear anyone down-talking testosterone like it was some kind of evil elixir unleashed on an unsuspectingly peaceful and loving world, my get-the-fuck-outta-here cup runneth over. I understand that, evidently, some men struggle with unrewarded sex drives and all that, but to curse your… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Right on Blaximus!

It’s one of the Four Horsemen of tactical virtues for being better at being a Man.

Strength, Courage, Mastery and Honor (among men).

arb
arb
6 years ago

@kfg
You mean like what is going on in Europe?

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

I always believed ugly feminists hate being a woman. They hate how biology made them tingle when they are dominated by a masculine dominant alpha who happens to have a LOT of testosterone. Ugly feminists MUST fight any man who makes them tingle .

What a terrible struggle against their own biology.

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
6 years ago
Reply to  keyser Soze

@Blaximus “We are the kinder sex. We are the ( unfortunately ) loving sex. We are the protective sex. We are the sacrificing sex.” If By RUDYARD KIPLING If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies, Or being hated, don’t give way to hating, And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise: If… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Rollo
Bob’s want for a control on his sex drive is a fairly common one in parts of the MGTOW community

Also a common one in parts of the female community.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Guy, kfg, you remind me of the old movie by Woody Allen “Annie Hall’, from the 1970’s. There’s a scene in it where Woody is talking with his male therapist and is asked “How often are you having sex?” and the answer is “Hardly ever. Only 3 times a week”.

Diane Keaton’s character is asked the same question by her female therapist, and the answer is, “Constantly! It must be 3 times a week!”.

That was funny the first time I saw it…

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

Strange to see Bob essentially surrender all reason and turn into the exact intolerant a-hole “he” swore “he” wasn’t. What’s all this talk of the world hating white men, Bob? I thought you weren’t just like all those intolerant groups in history, if so, why all the hate for white men?

By all means, continue to spout such bile after being intellectually challenged, it’s very constructive w.r.t. the opinion others have of you.

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years ago

@Rollo, They like to poke fun at any guy who’d pursue a woman and cast doubt on his reasons for doing so because in that pursuit they believe a woman is exercising control over him. They mistakenly believe that Alpha is a quantifiable substance needed to keep a woman in line, and men must always be dancing monkey for women if they make any effort, much less give too much thought to, in trying to sate their sexual impulse. That is something I’d like you to expound on in a post, though it would be somewhat adversarial and out-of-style with… Read more »

kobayashii1681
6 years ago

Been away away for a while….it was frustrating. Anywhoooo, my internet’s back and all is well…. This is coming late, but, in reference to the topic and sexbots, I’m reminded of the UK series (which is out on AMC) ‘Humans’ which basically revolves around humanoids/androids/ exmachina types, that have consciousness… In one episode, a husband ‘starved of affection and connection’ (negotiating desire) from his wife, starts bonding with their machine ‘Anita’ seen here… http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2015/05/Humans.png So, as the relationship progresses, the wife is always weary and probably, on a subconscious level, fears obsolescence as the ‘machine’ does everything….literally. Eventually, after trying… Read more »

Scribblerg
Scribblerg
6 years ago

@Bob – No doubt, not being a citizen of the wealthiest, most powerful nation in the history of humanity must suck for you. Thanks though, as your latest comment makes clear that you can be ignored. Please, reduce your testosterone and in fact, don’t ever reproduce. It’s probably the single best favor you can do for humanity. Last. I know why you are so angry. It’s because in your real life you have no power and are not respected. Instead you rely on pathetic, hateful memes to prop you up, like a psychological wedge so you can feel bigger than… Read more »

cyfox
cyfox
6 years ago

There are a few women without the sense of entitlement, that is a heavy multiplier for hypergamy and the feminine imperative. If they are among the youngest of a family of 10 siblings, then it is more likely.

Tom
Tom
6 years ago

LOL- the war draws ever closer.

These people

http://www.truecompanion.com/shop/index.php

have got a fairly primitive sex robot on sale.

and this Japanese company is asking it’s customers to be good ladies and gentlemen and refrain from using its robots for sexual porpoises

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/do-not-have-sex-our-robots-japanese-firm-warns-users-1521521

… and so an academic feels compelled to call for a ban-

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34118482

LOL- as if some academic is going to get anybody to stop a technological trend that has the potential to make heaps of money for early entrants

Tom
Tom
6 years ago

As a follow up- I would like to note that the TrueCompanion people

http://www.truecompanion.com/shop/index.php

also have an anatomicaly-correct male robot on sale.

This is going to bring new meaning to the word “Battery-Powered Boyfriend” for the ladies.

A blemish-free, silicon-skinned guy with six-pack abs and a vibrating cock?

The mind boggles

scg0807
6 years ago

How long before a dude gets tired of a particular sexbot? There will be a big industry in making new and exciting sexbots and a huge trading market for them (make sure you thoroughly clean that thing out when you trade for one). Maybe it’ll be more like a sexbot of the month subscription service.

Numinex
Numinex
6 years ago

Greatest time in the history of human being to be a MGTOW

Omega Man
Omega Man
5 years ago

and here i am… still waiting for a reasonable explanation as to why anyone wouldn’t want DNA testing at birth for all babies.

beyond establishing paternity, the information could be used to help diagnose and treat present or future medical conditions that are passed down from one or both parents.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Does anything sum up the FI like opposition to DNA testing new borns?

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Though the ability to kill an unborn child or demand child support on a whim is pretty stout proof too

peewee
peewee
5 years ago

The end goal is reduction in population to circa 500m, sexbots are part of that plan. Everything is designed to reach this goal whether it is your car, tv, favourite fast food,clothing etc. Feminism was a great plier for the introduction of all that severs natural relations between sexes. So No, there will not be any effectual opposition to sexbots because those creating them also created feminism itself. Everything around you is a ‘force multiplier’ for the outnumbered powers that be to be able to execute their plan even with their limited personel. For example if you are a single… Read more »

Mikey
Mikey
4 years ago

What about guys like me. In fact, What about ME? Too old…too ill to ‘get jacked’. Too poor to go abroad or bang hookers. Too pissed off with women to endure their bullshit to get my sexual needs met.

Realistic sex robots could literally be the salvation of guys like me. Pity I am gonna be long dead before they get here.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“What about ME?”

Literally Argument by What About ME?

“Too old…”

Over 90? 100?

“too ill”

What does “ill” mean? Some ill might prevent getting jacked, some it’s the cure.

“Too pissed off with women to endure their bullshit to get my sexual needs met.”

Not at all uncommon. Some men move through it. Perhaps you could be one.

“Realistic sex robots could literally be the salvation of guys like me.”

But hey, a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do.

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