The Quick Fix

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Becoming the Captain of My Boat dropped this comment in the This is now thread (emphasis mine):

You know, I found the RP about a year and a half ago. I’ve been working on applying things to my life, and for the most part things are going well.

Most of the articles though are about what to avoid, what to look out for, or how to think about women when you’re in your 20’s. The difficult thing is now being aware and seeing it all around you and being married.

I see the Sandberg quote, I hear it all the time from women in one form or another, and then my wife says similar shit. Like she dated the assholes, or had to find herself. Now I’m like, shit, I’m the nice guy she married. I don’t want to be that guy.
I was the asshole in college, what the fuck happened to me and how do I fix it quick? But there is no quick, once you’re in this it’s an uphill battle, a necessary one, but an uphill battle none the less.

I read the Rational Male, I’ve read a number of the books, but it get’s tricky when you’re already in it.

My wife isn’t a terrible person, and I can see firsthand how all this applies to her, but she isn’t malicious. This is subconscious shit reinforced by all their surroundings. Hell, my own betaization was subconscious shit reinforced by my surroundings.

I can say without a doubt that if your’e not already in a LTR or married and you’re younger than 30-35 don’t get in one. Read this stuff, make yourself a better man, fuck around and “find yourself” then you can get into a LTR, because it’s much harder to take control of a ship and right the course with your now demoted wife psychologically kicking and screaming than it is to captain a boat from the get go and then find a hot, willing first mate along the way when you’re already a seasoned salty captain.

He can only speak for himself of course, but Captian’s situation is not an uncommon one. Far too many men discover too late that the great relationship they swore they had with their wives was founded on their having fulfilled a Blue Pill set of achievements.

This belief is part of the plan Hypergamy had intended for him to follow, but as women’s sexual strategy has become more visible (if not outright flaunted) to him he begins to see the code in the Matrix he’s been a willing participant of. The machinations of Hypergamy are unignorable, or soon will be, but it’s one thing to be single and young enough to be able to leverage that plan to your own benefit when you still have the options and maneuverability to do so – it’s quite another to become aware of your own participation in it once you’re committed legally, emotionally and familially to going along with the plan.

For men, one of the more unfortunate consequences of Open Hypergamy is the degree of comfort their wives have in revealing the part their husbands play(ed) in their sexual strategy. As I’ve mentioned in prior posts, in a previous social order it was simply a matter of course that women should keep the mechanics of Hypergamy secret from the men they paired with in the long term.

Amongst themselves women were (and are) very open and frank about their sexual exploits both in the short term sexual and the long term provisional. I’ve always been convinced that women’s insistence on proliferating the trope of men’s “locker room talk” or ‘Humble-Bragging’ about their sexual conquests is a distraction from their own peer clutch groups congratulating themselves on the successes of their sexual strategy.

In a prior social climate keeping these ‘hen house’ Hypergamous revelations to themselves made sense. There was little point to informing the men they depended upon for parental investment and security that they were really the best available option to be their means to an end.

Not so in the present social climate. There is an eager brazenness on the part of wives to openly explain the part their husbands play(ed) in her Hypergamy. I’d attribute most of this to a social climate that encourages women to believe they have nothing to lose by doing so, but there’s also a want to participate (even if vicariously) in the single-woman peer clutch that has openly embraced revealing the ins and outs of Hypergamy publicly.

It’s a rough transition for men to have their Blue Pill idealisms dispelled by the Red Pill community, but it’s far more devastating for men steeped in Blue Pill merit badge accomplishments to have their wives openly confirm what the Red Pill aware have been trying to awaken him to for some time.

Open Hypergamy isn’t just a game for single women; it’s made its way into contemporary marriages. It’s now part of the egalitarian equalist expectation of men in marriage – that in order for men to truly be men worthy of marrying a co-equal ‘modern woman’ he must dispense with any notion of ownership of her, forgive the worst of her Hypergamous indiscretions as part of her “finding herself” and then accept his role as the Plan B, Beta provider for her in the nick of time to help her fulfill her sexual strategy in the long term. All of this coming with no expectation of any reciprocal value on a woman’s part – in fact to believe so is tantamount to marital rape.

I see the Sandberg quote, I hear it all the time from women in one form or another, and then my wife says similar shit. Like she dated the assholes, or had to find herself. Now I’m like, shit, I’m the nice guy she married. I don’t want to be that guy.

I was the asshole in college, what the fuck happened to me and how do I fix it quick? But there is no quick, once you’re in this it’s an uphill battle, a necessary one, but an uphill battle none the less.

This is the revelation men in this situation find themselves in. Even the men who may have fulfilled the role of “a great living dildo” for women in their 20s can still find that their role may have shifted to that of ‘non-threatening relationship material guy’ who she’d never have sex with on the same night she met him.

Now granted, all of this comes back to the subconscious expectation of cuckoldry women place on the men they cast in the passive, supportive role. Women don’t expect the Beta Bucks men they pair with will ever be the Alpha Fucks men their biochemistry predisposes them to want to fuck. But ‘great Dad’ must believe he was chosen as her best option, her best choice for the balance of the two. Only later, once she’s consolidated on him with family, children, financial and professional liabilities to her, is she comfortable in letting him in on how the game was really played.

As I said, the truth of that is hard enough to hear from Red Pill writers on the internet, but to have it viscerally confirmed by a wife without the social filters of an older social climate is a much harder pill to swallow than the red one.

The Fix is In

That sounds like an awful lot of gloom and doom doesn’t it? I can’t speak for Captain, but a woman delivering the confirmation that a guy is really a Blue Pill consolation prize is rarely couched in so melodramatic and sinister delivery. I’ve had many men (mostly disillusioned husbands from MMSL) relate similar stories as Captain’s and none of them were screaming confessions of deceit on the part of their wives. Most were simply matter of fact comments in passing that aligned with their suspicions about themselves.

I hate to harp on Pixar’s Inside Out cartoon, but it’s the simple everyday open Hypergamy that goes unnoticed by Blue Pill idealists. It takes a Red Pill lens to even be sensitive to it, but when you see how casually the wife/mother in this movie fantasizes about her widowed Alpha, the Alpha fantasy she couldn’t consolidate on, and how frustrated she is every time her Beta husband fails a shit test, you begin to understand the passive nature of an overt Hypergamy in women.

Women get frustrated that Blue Pill men Just Don’t Get It. The Blue Pill idealism blinds them to having the insight needed to realize the role they’re supposed to play and the frustration comes from their being over-supportive and over-engaging in order to make things right for their women. Blue Pill men will graciously ‘play equal’ in their marriages in order to live up to the equalist goal-set they were taught would pay off for them for a lifetime if left uncheck or unchallenged.

It’s my belief that wives will use a married form of open, or certainly casually overt, revelations of Hypergamy in order to rouse a man to a Red Pill awareness in the hopes that he’ll Just Get It.

And to answer the inevitable question, yes, this is a meta-scale shit test on the part of wives. However, it’s important remember that Hypergamy is rooted in existential and life-security doubt for women – “Is he really the best I can do?” – and that the shit tests associated with this vary depending on the influences of a woman’s phase of maturity as well as which part of her menstrual cycle she happens to be in.

Revealing the machinations of Hypergamy to a husband has potentially disastrous consequences, or at least it used to. As I said before, women generally don’t sprout horns and a forked tail and say “Ha ha, sucker!” when they reveal Hypergamy; it’s usually a casual inference. If a Blue Pill husband isn’t Getting It about his participation in women sexual strategy from outside means (media, social networks) then the passive or overt shit tests about his awareness of it need to be implemented.

In a previous social order making men aware of this could just as likely result in a woman being divorced or ostracized socially. Today, in men’s never ending quest to satisfy “equalism’s” approval, men are less likely to even believe their role when a woman confirms it for them. Ego-investments meets cognitive dissonance. Not only does he not get it his ego refuses to get it.

This then is the pathetic state of 80%+ of contemporary men. Men so inured by Blue Pill conditioned idealism that they’ll entertain ‘open marriages‘ in order to make themselves ‘better husbands‘ according to an emasculated equalist ideal.

Help! Quick!

So now we come to a situation like Captains – one where that husband Just Gets It only he’s gotten the message, received the awareness, from his wife (either passively or overtly) and he’s both pissed off at his state and equally wants to improve it. I expect most men would advise Cap to sack up and dump that bitch; and they’d probably be right in that assessment. She was duplicitous and then felt so self-assured in her position (reinforced by feminine primary social influences) that she was comfortable in revealing it to him. What’s he gonna do about it, right?

The right answer is to preemptively detonate the marriage. When you consider he’ll be cast in the role of villain no matter who files for divorce (he’s an asshole, or he’s the asshole who couldn’t meet her needs) why not, right? Any kids, any family discord, certainly the financial liabilities, should all be small shrift, collateral damage, when we look at this in terms of justice. It’s just revenge for her double-cross.

And yet that’s not what the vast majority of men in Cap’s situation first consider. Their first thought is “How do I fix this? I’ve lost Frame! How do I get it back fast! Help?” For all of the duplicity inherent in Hypergamy, for all of the insult that comes from a wife confirming he’s her Beta ‘sure thing’ (not the ‘hawt’ college asshole), that guy still wants to make lemonade from lemons, knowing full well she deserves piss.

That husband wants to still be all things, the mythical Good Guy balance, to his wife. There’s something in men’s romantic natures that wants this to work for themselves and in spite of women who fundamentally lack the capacity to appreciate it.

The first question I think men in this situation need to confront is whether it’s worth the effort to attempt to change their wives’ impression of them. If you’re 35 and (should be) entering your SMV peak years, this open Hypergamy revelation is particularly tough to accept since it’s likely you’ve invested 7-8 years in a woman who’s just told you what you are to her (and confirming it’s not who you are that’s of primary importance to her). As I’ve stated many times before, going from a Beta character to an Alpha (or more Alpha) one is always an uphill battle:

How many of the simpering, socially conditioned, Betatized men these women seeth about would make for believable Alphas once they had a red pill epiphany? It is precisely because of this impressionistic, binary solipsism that women will never be happy with ‘fixing’ their Beta. This is why he has to Just Get It on his own.

It is a far better proposition to impress a woman with an organic Alpha dominance – Alpha can only be a man’s dominant personality origin. There is no Beta with a side of Alpha because that side of Alpha is NEVER believable when your overall perception is one of being Beta to begin with. This is why I stress Alpha traits above all else. It’s easy, and endearing to ‘reveal’ a flash of Beta sensitivity when a woman perceives you as predominantly Alpha. If your personality is predominantly Beta, any sporadic flashes of Alpha will seem like emotional tantrums at best, character flaws at worst.

Women may love the Beta, but they only respect the Alpha.

That’s not to say a real transformation isn’t possible, but rather it’s a question of whether the juice will ever be worth the squeeze. There is no ‘quick fix’, no magical formula that will reverse Frame to your favor. Even if you won the lottery tomorrow, you’d still be a Beta with more money to your openly Hypergamous wife now. Frame establishment (not re-establishment if you never had it to begin with) takes time and active, practicable Red Pill awareness.

As I was telling Goldmund in my interview, that awareness needs to become a man’s internalized nature. He needs to become his own self-important mental point of origin; that and a Red Pill aware nature take time to develop. Anyone telling you they have a ‘one-size-fits-all’ Red Pill solution that ‘guarantees results in your marriage’ is selling you something.

I say they’re selling you something because of one simple truth – no quick fix that could make you seem more Alpha, more like the asshole college guy your wife loved to fuck back in the day will ever be believable to her if it happens overnight. On a root, hindbrain level, your Beta designation was set for your wife when she was having her Epiphany Phase. She knows and is comfortable with what she expects your nature and your character to be.

As I illustrated in Archetypes , women need consistency in behavior – they expect you to be Beta and are so comfortable in that assessment that they feel no guilt and have no fear in revealing to you the role you play for her. Thus, any radical shift in that comfort doesn’t seem genuine, and in fact it seems childish that you wont accept your designation.

So, is it worth it? I think my advice in this instance would be this:

Iron Rule of Tomassi #7
It is always time and effort better spent developing new, fresh, prospective women than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship. Never root through the trash once the garbage has been dragged to the curb. You get messy, your neighbors see you do it, and what you thought was worth digging for is never as valuable as you thought it was.

Once your wife has openly revealed your part in the plan, you’ve effectively broken up. Logistically that may not be the case, but I think most guys need to see this for what it is; a rejection of a husband’s authority, masculinity, his decisiveness and his capacity to read the nuances in behavior and a society that’s been (sometimes literally) screaming to him to Just Get It.

Your wife’s garbage can was dragged to the curb by your wife’s admissions, only the trash truck never comes for it because you’re committed to that can staying on the curb until you walk away from it. If you go digging through it to find what you think is valuable, prepare to get real dirty and look for a long time.

You’ve effectively been ‘friend zoned’ in your marriage. You may still have sex, you may still share special moments, but never forget, her confessions make you ‘just a friend’ in your marriage.

 


*Standard disclaimer: Yes, men should forego marriage altogether and/or stringently vet women for virginity, homemaking and childrearing. Importing wives from third world countries is duly noted. Rollo Tomassi has been married for 19 years to a magical unicorn he found after being a semi-pro rock star and lives an idyllic life of riches and extravagance. NAWALT. Your milage may vary. See dealer for details.

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Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
6 years ago

@scribblerg is has the right vector, I only disagree with the magnitude. As @Dave said, “Not sure if I like the person I’ve had to become, but them’s the breaks.” I don’t think I could go too far down the Machiavellian path before I lost respect for myself. It’s a tough balance.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

I wonder how shit-eating betas ever respect themselves?

Jeremy
6 years ago

How much of hating yourself for being an “asshole” is because blue-pill land conditioned you to feel like that behavior is asshole-ish?

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy

All of it – I’ve always been an asshole, I just leashed myself and shamed myself for it. And of course, what we mean by being an asshole is being just as selfish as women are and putting our own sexual desires/strategies forward as of primary importance to ourselves. We mean being assertive and not allowing those who claim to love us and be our partners manipulate us emotionally to take boatloads of crap from them. We mean being aggressive unapologetically when it suits our purposes. We mean speaking our minds. You see, I call not being the above being… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

I should follow-on with that comment. I have a cousin who is the 2nd eldest in his family. He and his brother have a sister. Oftentimes when they were children, the 2nd eldest son found himself having to defend his own turf because the daughter was being given some special consideration. The eldest son was regarded rather “golden child”-ish, and the daugher was of course their only daughter. That left the 2nd son as the closest thing to a black sheep in the family. I’ve not met anyone who more naturally recognized when he was being shit-tested. Mind you, he’s… Read more »

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
6 years ago

I don’t think not wanting to walk away from your kids is because of blue pill conditioning. I’m in agreement with everything else though. Kids are innocent in this mess. A large part of this blue pill beta mess is because our boys are mostly raised by women these days. I don’t see how we turn this around until strong men find a way to stay in their kids lives. The minute you have kids, you have compromised all of your strength. It is a true catch 22 in my opinion. I simply don’t have an answer for it.

scribblerg
scribblerg
6 years ago

Who says you have to walk away? In most states today, 50/50 custody is the norm. If I were to divorce today instead of 20 years ago, that’s what I would have done. As it was, for a few years while we lived in the same town, it was like that anyway. I could easily be in her life. But then the wife moved 40 miles away – and I already had a 1 hour 40 minute commute. It was not far enough to take her to court over but far enough so I couldn’t move there. Today she couldn’t… Read more »

Seething Lurker
Seething Lurker
6 years ago

@scribblerg

Clap. Clap. Clap. I nuked my marriage and had many of the same thoughts. The kids are doing well and that’s a relief, since my ex is not a total count. As for my current LTR, I have to pull the chain hard every now and then. It’s second nature though. And she melts when I do so. Win-win.

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

I think its an uphill battle to save a “beta marriage” partly because no one likes to give up power once they have it, even if having it makes them unhappy. Look at it this way: if a woman spends a decade believing her husband is a doormat, how much effort will it take him to wrestling control back WHILE dealing with her pushing back AND having to convince her the “new” him is really him? Is it possible? Sure. Looking back had I learned sooner I could have salvaged my first marriage. By the time divorce came up? I… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

When you believe the choices before you are nothing vs subjugation, its dreadfully easy to respect yourself for choosing subjugation.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ bob ” Have you spent much time on Tumblr? The number of girls who claim to be kinky and into S&M is incredible. In truth, I doubt they are really into the kink, it is just the rationalization hamster at work. They have learned that in our culture, having a kink means you can’t help it, which means you’re not responsible for it, which means you can’t be held responsible or shamed for it. So by claiming to be kinky girls get to escape responsibility and follow their desire to be submissive to men. ” I’m late as hell… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
Shiva H. P.
6 years ago

“I wonder how shit-eating betas ever respect themselves?” Because eating shit and wallowing in one’s misery is now socially acceptable. Behaving in opposition to this gets you branded as an a**hole. If almost all the men in your social vicinity are beta and eating shit then eating shit does not seem so bad. Whereas, if you are surrounded by alphas then you will find it difficult to put up with an ounce of shit. Most males soon start mimicking behaviors and attitudes of those around them. Just by being in this comments section, we men expand our social vicinity and… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
6 years ago

“Nature has given women so much power that the law has very wisely given them little.” really? what power do women have? put away your pc blue pill goggles for a moment and think about it in terms of raw nature. power of sex? nope. if I want it I can take it. men are the ones who need to change physically (erection) to make sex possible. wetness is nice but not at all required. rape is a fact of life for many many species, great apes included (see orangutans). power of life? not unless I allow it. men control… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

Figured you might enjoy keeping an eye on this thread: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49369-page-12.html “I am starting to get worried. What are the chances he is portrayed as a Julien Blanc?” Nah, I’m sure the feminists/SJWs will see the enlightened difference between Roosh and Julien, they’re pretty rational and do a lot of research. It’s not like I said during the Julien fiasco that we’re all the same to the mainstream. Looking forward to seeing how Roosh handles this after all the smack-talk about how RSD (which is still running and still doing just fine) didn’t handle it right and were pussies for… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

Also @scribblerg’s question: I wonder how shit-eating betas ever respect themselves? In my travels through engineer-land-America, I’ve met a lot of betas. Many of them actually try to openly feel superior to me by making comments about my being single. This usually comes from guys who have absolutely no idea how badly they’ve been whipped into shape. You’ll hear these guys say things like, “Whatever Jeremy, you just don’t understand women,” in response to comments I make… They convince themselves that because they’re married and have “steady” access to sex from one woman, that I am somehow ignorant and thus… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . we gave our power to women/the state because we want to burn it all down and start over . . .”

What a coincidence. Women demanded the power of the state because they want to burn it all down and start over.

Cool Shoes
Cool Shoes
6 years ago

Rollo wrote
“As I stated in the post, when a woman is comfortable with telling her husband about her Hypergamous plan and the part he plays in it he should consider it a breakup notice.”

Before I filed for divorce, my ex and I had several yelling and cussing fights. One thing she let slip (on two different occasions) was that “my mom told me you would take care of me”

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Cool Shoes:

Moms didn’t used to redact the critical part of that advice:

” . . . if you take care of him.”

It’s just as cold and calculating, but at least it’s in line with reality.

JohnDoe
JohnDoe
6 years ago

Rollo, several forms of male birth control will be on the market soon according to multiple news sources. One method prevents any semen from exiting during an ejaculation the other prevents the semen from penetrating the eggs by binding to the head of the semen and blocking the enzymes that are required to dig through the eggs’s wall to fertilize it. The one method is good for 10 years the other is a pill that you take and it works for about a month after you stop taking it. This might be a good topic to consider writing about as… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Rollo
“He thinks selling the manosphere out is good publicity.”

It’s great publicity…for him, and his brand.

Not sure how it’s supposed to help men improve their lives exactly, but I don’t get the impression that helping men is as big a concern as getting his face on the front page of newspapers and keeping the outrage cauldron stirring.

Fascinating to watch the slow-mo trainwreck in action though.

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Rollo – my personal opinion is stale juice is stale. I said I believe I could have saved my first marriage, but I thank God I didnt. If I’d found your writings earlier I probably would have tried, (especially since I actually found MMSL first) and possibly succeeded. Divorce sucked. Worrying about losing my kids was soul crushing. But as much as it trashed everything I’d worked years for, I’m actually grateful I was clueless til the end. What I have now is vastly better, and even the shitty days are MY shitty days. The worst days now are a… Read more »

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
6 years ago

@JohnDoe

Male birth control may just play into the hands of hypergamy. All sorts of beta providers will sign up to take care of the single mom with two kids and they will be able to make sure they don’t have any of their own. They will be such hero’s making sure their new princes no longer has to bother with the pill.

The Lone Planet
The Lone Planet
6 years ago

It’s all one big joke. When you figure it out, Ozymandias throws you out of a window. Happy landing!

Seraph
Seraph
6 years ago

@Scribblerg, “Once you become your own point of mental origin, it’s impossible to beg your wife to fuck you. You just go out and fuck someone else. Don’t get divorced if you don’t want to. Don’t tell your wives. Just go sink your cock balls deep into some young hot pussy and afterwards just fucking smirk at your wife. If she doesn’t like it – who gives a fuck? What, you really want to save a marriage where your needs and your life run a distant 28th behind the wife, the kids, the house, your inlaws, the lawn, your job… Read more »

Mr T
Mr T
6 years ago

Rollo
“However, it’s important remember that Hypergamy is rooted in existential and life-security doubt for women – “Is he really the best I can do?”

That sums it up.

This is the first thing that comes to a woman’s when she first wake up in the morning while Mr.Beta is taking a piss.

AAAND, in her little miserable mind/pussy, she thinks, she is doing him a favor .

Women would sacrifice their kids for a better deal and make new kids with the better deal.

Ps
Rollo, are you going public? No more behind the iron curtains?.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“@Ted, I’m glad you’re back . . .”

Speaking of which: Calling Dirty Sanchez. You are not out of mind. Check in and let us know how you’re doing.

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Seraph – some time after my divorce the ex admitted to me toward the end she hoped I’d cheat on her. Of course if I had and got caught she would have painted me the villain. I’d say: the wife may not care what you do, but NEVER doubt that if caught she’ll likely go nuclear. She will have a world of support behind her to make you suffer. So if you’re gonna step out? Be prepared to own it. And you’re right: you can’t go on the way you have. But why the hell would you want to? I… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Rollo I think the difference between his cult and the rest of the groups is that the rest of us wouldn’t hold enough of a grudge TO go after him like that. I’m not even really hoping he DOES crash and burn and get Julien Blanc’ed…it would be entertaining and I love the e-drama, but like if he does somehow manage to thwart the feminist/SJW mobs and come out on top I mean, hey, good on him way to beat the odds, I’ll do a slow clap and enjoy the video of him dishing verbal smackdowns on Oprah. I don’t… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Rollo Also just for reference incase they do come after you: Julien’s put up various content about the aftermath of that whole fiasco and there was no real consequence in the long-run. He was worried everyone would recognize him and chase him around and neon-haired feminists would protest outside nightclubs etc. but in the end no one, even in the nightlife scene, gives a fuck. He actively tells girls to google his name on their phone to build attraction (he’s charming in person so he ends up being the charming bad boy to them) and turned all the news clips… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

Whatever issues I might have with some of Barbarossa’s ideas, he and Niko Choski handled the BBC’s attempt to jerk them around quite well.

Niko’s latest video, by the way, is basically a paean to your books.

Jeremy
6 years ago

That TRP reddit link puts tremendous performance burden on men. I’m not saying I wholly disagree with it, but if that level of performance is required, it is no surprise at all to me that most men opt out. That level of performance from a husband would need significant compensation in respect and attentiveness to be worth it. But that’s just imo. That post basically puts the entire onus for romance and sex on the man, 100% on him.

YaReally
6 years ago

@kfg @Rollo “Whatever issues I might have with some of Barbarossa’s ideas, he and Niko Choski handled the BBC’s attempt to jerk them around quite well.” Didn’t know about the BBC thing, catching up now ’cause I follow some MGTOW stuff. BBC and the Reggie guy’s name reminded me of: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48641-post-1058174.html#pid1058174 “MaleDefined Wrote: Did you know the BBC was coming prior? Will you deny media members entry at future engagements on your tour?” “Roosh Wrote: Yes, I allowed them too. I’ll allow them from this point on the condition they don’t bring a camera, just so men are not uncomfortable.… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Seraph Skimmed your situ. Drive-by comment I’m bogged down with work so I can’t get into it deep, just gonna throw some links at you. For the sex thing I say try Patrice O’Neal’s advice to the guy at 42:15 in this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpHCsNEyWm4&t=42m15s I have no idea if it’ll work, but if I was in your situ I would try it the next few times you have sex just to see what happens lol Get her off and then just walk away no fucks given like you don’t even WANT sex from her because it’s not even GOOD sex…if… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

That reddit is rediculois. Marriage comes with an assumption of sexual access. Any woman that decides she doesn’t want to sex up her husaband is in breach of contract. (The women are grabbing pitchforks about now…) This time around, I made it clear frequent, enthusiastic sex is a requirement for me to be a husband. No sex, no marriage. Now, what’s different this time is I’m fully aware of my part in attractiom, and I know what is and isn’t under my control. The reason that’s important is simple: in my blue pill haze I had no idea why the… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
6 years ago

It’s really important to assert, that marriage is an institution with NO BENEFIT for a man.
I also tend to think, that a real alpha never marry.
A man who is knowingly cutting his options in life by marrying, is worse than a Beta…he is an idiot!

I really enjoy to read all the comments in here….it’s always highly refreshing for me to find like-minded men!!

But the world is full of poor Beta’s !!!

Jeremy
6 years ago

@teddi4g

I’ve no problem with the burden of building attraction, a burden that women actually share as letting themselves turn into a whale is just as inexcusable. The reason the price in that reddit link feels too high is that I have absolutely no confidence that I’ll get my “money’s worth” for all that effort with a modern woman.

Not Born This Morning
6 years ago

The AFC acronym has been a basic concept in the manosphere since the inception of the manosphere. I would like to introduce another acronym that is no less fundamental, no less typical and no less accurate in its description. AFB – Average Frivolous Bitch – This is the female counterpart, the female member of the typical pairing to the AFC, found universally in typical LTR pairing with AFCs. Remember “A” represents “average”. Average in this context is a mathematical average but is also synonymous with typical meaning that average is usually what you will be encountering. A list of priorities… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
6 years ago

Exactly Jeremy,

Why shoulder the burden of perfomence when you don’t get an equivalent value in return?
That doesn’t make really sense for me.

Gentlemen, just enjoy your life to the max and bang as much women as you want and can. Period.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Jeremy – “The reason the price in that reddit link feels too high is that I have absolutely no confidence that I’ll get my ‘money’s worth’ for all that effort with a modern woman.” Exactly. This ties in neatly to the whole arc of the last four posts. The idea of getting your “money’s worth” is an inherently reasonable and male approach to the world. It’s a simple cost benefit analysis with the root issue being what one wants versus what one has to pay. I have struggled with the whole value/worth issue and have concluded the main point of… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Jeremy – totally agree with you there. I’d wager most probably aren’t worth it, but as I said above every man has to decide for themselves. I think it’s silly to say “I’ll never marry” when there is an entire world full of women. However, basing that decision on the legal raw deal marriage entails is perfectly logical. Which leads us married guys to an uncomfortable question: is my wife worth the effort? I can only give you my answer which is yes, she is. If that changes down the road I need to be willing to get less for… Read more »

Tom...
Tom...
6 years ago

I’ve been giving a lot of thought about this supposed magical wife who sucks cock like a porn star and makes you a great steak on command. How many men actually feel passionately in love after three years in an LTR? Isn’t it more realistic to marry a traditional, steadfast woman and have affairs on the side as needed? Whenever topic of marriage is broached in the manosphere, many men’s latent blue pill urges seem to erupt. Can we finally reach a consensus that the magical pornstar/gourmet chef wife is unattainable even if we attain redpill alpha status and travel… Read more »

Divided Line
6 years ago

If this is how women really are, why bother? Why would you want a relationship with somebody like this? For all the theorizing and strategizing, I always return to this question and can’t find a satisfactory answer. Does anyone actually have one?

Shiva H. P.
Shiva H. P.
6 years ago

“That TRP reddit link puts tremendous performance burden on men.”

Actually, TRM also puts supreme burden of performance on men.
Rollo has a post on burden of performance.

With a woman or without one,. the burden still remains.

What this post does is convey when to cut loose of a woman. So that there is no more investment w.r.t. to her.

Vitriol
Vitriol
6 years ago

@Divided Line “If this is how women really are, why bother? Why would you want a relationship with somebody like this?” It seems like remnant social conditioning from previous times. Keep in mind that most people still live in the past, rather than the present. We don’t live in agricultural societies anymore. Birth control and the ability to meet lots of new people quickly through technology and travel are relatively new inventions in human history. You don’t need to stay with the one out of ten women you might meet in a lifetime and use her and the children to… Read more »

Divided Line
6 years ago

I just don’t see the point. So the answer is escorts for sex and hiring a surrogate if you want kids (both are cheaper in the long run) because there doesn’t seem to be a woman worth the (tremendous) effort if this is how bad it is. And I’m convinced it really is this bad. I feel like I’ve made this or similar comments here before. I don’t remember. But I know that I think this or something similar to it every time I read this blog. I just don’t understand why any of you bother. It doesn’t seem like… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Rollo – “But can you tell me why you held those hopes in the first place?” Hmmm? Rationalized answer: I guess you could call it a combination of childish observation reinforced by culture. I suffered a constant bombardment of media saying such is possible and had doubts corrected by parents, teachers. Hell even peer age friends would and still do tell me my experience and observation is flawed, or an indication of some deep flaw. As well I think it’s my idealistic nature to believe the world can be more than it is, better than it is. Of course I… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
6 years ago

@ Divided Line

You are not the only one, dude !

The same for me.

Mr T
Mr T
6 years ago

@divided line,
You sound down!
Take it easy Mister.
Two things I found ” liberating” :
1,Reading Rollo’s blog.
2,reading Cesar Milan’s blog.
It is not the fault of a Dog who bark and bite, it is always the bad owners.
Ps
My love to a German Shepherd is equal to my love to women.

Seraph
Seraph
6 years ago

@Rollo, Thanks for the link. If it put any more gas on the fire, then it at least provided more illumination. I thought it was excessive in regards my wife’s attitude in terms of degree (but I will keep it in mind), but I get the basic and important gist of it. It is what I have been feeling for quite a while. On RARE occasions I feel a genuine desire from the spouse; most other times it is some sort of obligation with maybe some slight pleasure at times. It is a parsing out of stuff I should be… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

Not speaking for BP there, but I can’t recall holding onto “hopes and dreams” w.r.t. women, marriage, and family. I can easily recall several women with whom I acted like BB hoping to convince them they should love me instead of their alpha flings. Honestly I don’t think I had thought that far ahead. I just wanted sex at a reasonable cost to me. I never seriously considered being a father, though I always thought I would be a good one. I never seriously considered marriage as a goal, though until I found this sphere of influence I would not… Read more »

Mr T
Mr T
6 years ago

One more thing Divided,
A woman is exactly like a Dog, she needs tough love not romantic love.

Tom...
Tom...
6 years ago

@If those steps resolve problems in the marriage, great. If not, I would rather deal with the hassle and fallout as long as I feel I am being true to myself.

Sounds like what many blue pill men said before they were led to the slaughterhouse…

Tom...
Tom...
6 years ago

comment above directed at seraph’s statement. 🙂

Jeremy
6 years ago

Wow, holy shit that huffpo article is self-centered. Has that woman read history in the slightest? Does she understand, in any fashion, the literally back-breaking work that used to be required of men to build civilization? Has she no concept of the fact that throughout history, the work required of men to keep civilization in one piece (and by ancillary benefit keep a family fed and clothed) means that, yes, absolutely those things modern men are helping you with would have fallen on her and her alone? Natural solipsism at it’s finest, no other word for it. That woman cannot… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

@ Rollo

My form of idealism has no tolerance for what I used to call feminine bullshit. Obviously that’s not ideal.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“It seems like remnant social conditioning from previous times. ” A secret of the second set of books: marriage no longer exists. There is only the remnant label and the social conditioning of men to attach a certain meaning to the label. A meaning that is illusion and delusion. All smoke and mirrors which you are playing your own part to generate. Whatever most of you married guys think your marriage is, it ain’t. You have bought a con. You are not a husband. You are a mark, a stooge, a chump. A secret of the con: the mark chumps… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
6 years ago

That Huffington Post is hilarious!
Damn Rollo, you are killing the 0,00000001 percent left of my romantic core. Lol 😉

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@Serpah: Here is the bitter part of the pill you are gagging on:

” . . .wife is not comfortable sexing herself up. . .” for you.

Seraph
Seraph
6 years ago

“@If those steps resolve problems in the marriage, great. If not, I would rather deal with the hassle and fallout as long as I feel I am being true to myself. Sounds like what many blue pill men said before they were led to the slaughterhouse…” (Shrug) And my other choices are what? Stay unhappy, unfulfilled, unsatisfied until I am: A) Dead B) Old and Ill C) Divorced when it’s too late to matter EVERYTHING HAS A COST. If I want better fuckee, fuckee, then something has to give, no? Do I just suck it up, and jerk off to… Read more »

Seraph
Seraph
6 years ago

“@Serpah: Here is the bitter part of the pill you are gagging on: ” . . .wife is not comfortable sexing herself up. . .” for you.” Yeah, I know. I get it. Still a chance she’s less sexual than most, and I base that again on our circle of friends where everyone else’s spouse will done a sexy costume for Halloween…except my wife. She could actually pull off a bikini, especially compared to the Belugas out there who wear them, but she don’t, and did not even when she was younger. But, yeah, it may simply be me. I… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

” . . . everyone else’s spouse will done a sexy costume for Halloween…except my wife.”

You can find a nun with a stick up her back and nothing but two habits in her clothes closet – who fucks like a weasel in heat.

Good girls do.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Seraph – “But, yeah, it may simply be me. I will punch myself in the balls later.”

At some point you* need to stop being personally responsible for the limitations of other humans. Your fuckups don’t excuse anyone else’s fuckups. And the fuckups of others don’t constitute increased responsibilty on your part.

Women want men who are like rocks. Be one. Rocks are cold, hard, rough,with sharp edges, and rocks don’t give a damn, shit, fuck about anyone or anything.

*not necessarily you Seraph, but any man who feel the need to self flagellate to excess.

Mr T
Mr T
6 years ago
ChocDoc
ChocDoc
6 years ago

@ Badpainter:

” Women want men who are like rocks. Be one. Rocks are cold, hard, rough,with sharp edges, and rocks don’t give a damn, shit, fuck about anyone or anything. ”

Men should generally be like a rock. And never because women like it, but because of yourself!

Thanks for your posts, Badpainter….Keep it up !!

Jeremy
6 years ago

@Seraph Still a chance she’s less sexual than most… I am of the (admittedly pulled out of my ass) opinion now that women are actually less capable of ignoring their biology than men are. The reason I believe this is because the male drive is strong, but constant. After a decade or so, it’s much easier for a man to ignore his drive than a woman because a woman’s sexuality is dictated by a cycle. Female drive cycles between being on and off. Women may have the advantage of knowing what to expect from men, but they are at the… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
6 years ago

Yes Rollo, i know

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

The entire gay marriage thing makes me chuckle. When it first started my opinion was the Fed should get out of the marriage racket entirely. Let people have whatever ceremony they want, but other than a few legal documents there’s no need for an official license. Of course that won’t happen because there is money to be made on “legal” marriage. However the flip side is it will cause a lot of fuss in family court when the first few gay divorces with adopted children hit the court room. How will the family court judge know which parent to fuck… Read more »

Mr T
Mr T
6 years ago

Rollo
“Men so inured by Blue Pill conditioned idealism that they’ll entertain ‘open marriages‘ in order to make themselves ‘better husbands‘ according to an emasculated equalist ideal.”

+ the unlucky Huffington woman + the lucky wife of Michael Sonmore .
Unbelievable.

Excalibur
Excalibur
6 years ago

@Rollo: Do you do book reviews?

Jeremy
6 years ago

Gay marriage is a distraction issue used to keep the main-party-supporter-puppets fighting amongst themselves.

Marriage was never about “permission to love”… it was always a social contract with your community. Love and attraction were always separate from marriage, a fantastical luxury that was not necessary for a community to prosper. Nowhere was this more evident than in ancient Rome, where homosexual relations outside of marriage were entirely permitted so long as you maintained your responsibilities within the married household (i.e., you kept the kids and the spouse fed, dry, and comfortable).

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Tom, ” I’ve been giving a lot of thought about this supposed magical wife who sucks cock like a porn star and makes you a great steak on command. How many men actually feel passionately in love after three years in an LTR? ” In all honesty, my 1st marriage of 15 years, I was as passionately in love with my ex-wife in the end as I was at the beginning. That was one of the things that made divorce really hard on me before I realized that my passion wasn’t something that she was worthy of or appreciated.… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

“In all honesty, my 1st marriage of 15 years, I was as passionately in love with my ex-wife in the end as I was at the beginning.” Same here. Even as she was making my life hell. I was angry and frustrated with her, but still loved her all the same. Its a fault of mine, but one I’m aware of now and can live with. “Wife goggles” serve the purpose of keeping me on track and focussed. As long as we are getting our needs met all is well. But if things go shitty, I know to take those… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
6 years ago

“Doing your own laundry and cooking your own food takes maybe a few minutes and a few dollars a day.” true. but there is more to it than that. more to life than just getting by. on a cold winter morning there is something wonderful about fucking your beautiful wife in your warm bed, eating a hot breakfast prepared for you by her, having her excuse herself from the table because your cum is leaking out of her and then stepping into the warm pants she just ironed for you. sure, you could pay various women to do all those… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Ted ” Even as she was making my life hell. I was angry and frustrated with her, but still loved her all the same ” I hear you. But there’s nothing wrong with that way of being, other than it may set you up for tremendous heartache – that won’t kill you in the end. As has been stated here numerous times, men are the romantics. We are the ones of honor and duty. Women are encouraged to be brutal and hateful by society that cheers them on. A woman can turn a switch ” off ” on her… Read more »

Jeremy
6 years ago

Actually, when I think about it, the demand that love and romance be a part of marriage is a demand from the FI. It’s a feminine-primary demand because it is almost entirely focused on men. Women are not romantic creatures, they’re pragmatic creatures and romantic consumers and thus cannot be expected to be the source of romance. Love and romance were never intended to be mixed with marriage. While it’s acceptable that a married couple can grow/learn to build attraction to each other, the marriage contract was with society, not each other. It was to provide a home for new… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Jeremy – “Women are not romantic creatures, they’re pragmatic creatures and romantic consumers and thus cannot be expected to be the source of romance.” In addition to not being sources of romance woman aren’t sources of… commitment moral support love peace (inner or otherwise) stability security loyalty honesty understanding intimacy validation They are however the only source of pussy and babies. “I would wager this is what makes female rejection of the contract, and the legal backing for them in their arbitrary rejection, based on the wife’s loss of attraction so egregiously unsettling for men.” I would agree, but that’s… Read more »

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
6 years ago

It’s amazing how much better my marriage is working now that I have finally quit expecting anything from my wife. Dropping all unrealistic blue pill expectations has been magical. Realize that all you can get from a woman that you aren’t better off getting somewhere else is sex and babies. It’s a grand simplification that works wonders. No unrealistic expectations means no disappointment. Oddly it’s like they can tell you no longer care and they respond very favorably. I like what Patrice said in the video. “Never love more than 90%”. Any more is foolish and will actually kill attraction.… Read more »

Aelorne
6 years ago

To the dudes who’ve been married or currently are: did you know about your wives’ pasts? Did you make any concessions in that regard, and if so, did you regret it? If you married again, how much time would you spend vetting for relative innocence, especially in the context of your sexual history? Rollo, in a comment upthread, seemed to suggest that the ideal of the girl who never rode the CC is probably an impossibility these days. I’ve found an incredible gal, except for her past. When I think about it, it’s tough to handle. I gamed her from… Read more »

bnon
bnon
6 years ago

@Badpainter: What does it mean to say can’t be the source of intimacy and validation? That line of argumentation seems blind.

Jeremy
6 years ago

Haha…thoughts… 1) Whisper will never have it’s userbase hacked to publicly shame the women as AFF and Ashley Madison did “to shame the men”. The FI wouldn’t stand for it, even though it’s essentially the same offense. 2) The confessions demonstrate that love should not be part of the marriage contract. If women, even given full control over sexual selection as they are now, are so incapable of finding a mate that will keep them happy, then exactly how is our current situation better then arranged marriage by parents? It’s not, so women frankly should not be given 100% control… Read more »

teddj4g
teddj4g
6 years ago

Blaximus – I’m completely OK with my nature. As you pointed out, the trick is knowing how it can be used against you and being aware enough to realize when it happens. And as idealistic (and stupid) as this sounds, for me love still exists in that frame. My frame. And although “being aware” was a foreign concept to me before and felt fake at first, I’ve realized that once your frame is set, being aware is effortless. Bullshit pings on it for me like hail on glass. And I often find it amusing, because I’m still surprised that I… Read more »

bnon
bnon
6 years ago

@Rollo: Haha.

“I settled for my nice guy.. because the man I really love will never love me like he does.”

Just wow. I like how the article just stops.

Any article of a variation of a mans version of this would be loaded with moral judgements. E.g.

“She has fallen for me, but I don’t make her my girlfriend/wife as I want to bang other chicks on the side too.”

What a complete asshole!!

Tom...
Tom...
6 years ago

@fleezer I’ve “created” the pornstar/gourmet chef wife by encouraging my ex’s natural sexual instincts. However, after having sex with a stripper (one time only, got lucky) I realized a very important thing. Most women are born either concubines or wives. They may move towards one end of the spectrum or the other but they have a definite predilection. We can only influence behavior so much. I’ve given up my fantasy of having a wife who is a perfect fusion of madonna and whore. A calm, steadfast, docile and loving woman for the wife and a bubbly, vivacious girl for a… Read more »

Tom...
Tom...
6 years ago

@teddj4g
“Personally I enjoy being married for what it is, but but I’m also a bit of a willful idiot. And I really like the juice.”

I appreciate the candor. Some people eat 2 Big Macs a day, others fuck prostitutes in Thailand and some people get married. To each his own as long as they are risk aware.

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

bnon – “What does it mean to say can’t be the source of intimacy and validation? That line of argumentation seems blind.” Intimacy: If you’re romantically involved with a woman there can never be true intimacy of the sort where you take her completely into your confidence. Some subjects are off limits and you never to speak of your deepest fears, or doubts. NEVER. If you do you won’t be romantically involved for long. Opportunism doesn’t permit you to show anything like weakness. Of course you must always be available for her to express whatever, and not be judgemental but… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Tom,

I bounced in a strip club for a few years. brought Brazilian,Russian strippers to club, brought them back home at night. Fucked my share.

there’s nothing ” lucky ” about fucking a stripper. Ever.

Tom...
Tom...
6 years ago

@Blaximus
You don’t understand. She was special. She told she never did that kind of thing with customers. By now she’s probably finished nursing school. I think if you just knew her…

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Lmfao

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“did you know about your wives’ pasts?” Enough that I should have run away screaming, but didn’t. Had I known I didn’t know the half of it I would have crawled into a cave and poked myself with nails until the urges went away. It would have been less painful. “I’ve found an incredible gal, except for her past.” Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? “what are the indicators of my threshold, so that I can know it?” The fact that you are here asking these questions. Your gut knows what you don’t want to… Read more »

bnon
bnon
6 years ago

I’m conflicted? Do I try to find out the girls past or not? Often such questions are answered in these circles with “yes, but indirectly”, but how to indirectly estimate a girls n-count?

Aelorne
6 years ago

Wow Rollo, that was a very nuanced response. So you’re saying that the primary concern is if you are a genuine alpha to her. In summary- betas will be overly focused on her past as an inherent danger, and subsequently bury that fear with the fact that they gained her (incomplete/disingenuous) commitment (thinking the risk has been turned to benefit because she’s experienced, and wouldn’t cheat because now she is with him). But it’s not the fact that she has a past that’s the danger- it’s the fact that he’s not alpha to her, and some other guy is. And… Read more »

Aelorne
6 years ago

Odd similarities– I am 27.. We banged for about a month before she asked to be exclusive, we love doing outdoor things together and she is almost oddly sane, level-headed.. She said i love you first, yada yada yada. Everything seems to be in place.

One of the primary pillars of my alpha is me being a musician, which she fell for.

I’ll have to go watch your interview now.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Aelorne Everyone will have their own standards when it comes to Ncounts. Sometimes your reaction to a girl’s past is connected to pedestalization. Women=AWALT. The more you project perfection onto a random broad, the greater the chances your heart may get ripped out of your chest and thrown under a steamroller. pussy is not really a valuable, negotiating resource. That’s woman-think. That’s her play on you. Don’t fall into that mindset. And no, there are hardly any ” quality ” women. And yes, I’d drop the Oneitis asap. Stop assigning values to chicks. Instead, let her show and prove… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
6 years ago

Rollo – “What if your new partner has only banged a mere 2 men before you, but engaged in intense sexual experiences she feels self-conscious about doing with you? Is she a slut?”

Slut or not she’s every bit a useless as a frigid virginal Jesus-Alpha Widow, or former pornstar who wants “something real” with a “good man.”

Jeremy
6 years ago

Does “Saving the Best” fit after that, or am I misreading the conversation?

Tom...
Tom...
6 years ago

@Badpainter Your comment inspired me to write a song. How long, how long baby How long has it been How long you gonna keep me wondering How long before you see Stallin’ me was wrong How long How long, how long you gonna keep Slappin’ my hand away How long you gonna keep my love at bay How long before you’re sure My love is strong How long How long, how long you gonna keep Tellin’ me you like me fine How long until I’m gonna make you mine How long before wake up And find your good man gone… Read more »

Aelorne
6 years ago

Thanks Rollo, blaximus, and kfg. I think I’m dealing less with the Slut Paradox (her perception of me relative to former alphas) and more with my own indignation and perception of her, in light of her past. Since there are biological imperatives guiding sexual behavior, which inclines men toward an unlimited partners approach, and girls toward a high-quality partner approach, it is somehow fundamentally disturbing to me that she engaged in a rather male plurality of partners approach. The n-count qualified “slut” label for some reason has deep impact with me, especially considering the variety and nature of her experiences.… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Aelorne

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
6 years ago

@Rollo Gonna take a leap back to first page for a moment… There are no male Alpha Widowers. Men have a remarkable ability to resign themselves to the sex they can get rather than the sex they could get. I don’t know about that. After fucking an HB7 in my last LTR, I’ve pretty much refused to go back down the scale where the FI would tell me I belong. I insist on at least a solid HB8 who’s incredibly enthusiastic about me if I’m going to give her the gift of my commitment. I won’t even STR or ONS… Read more »

Aelorne
6 years ago

I see I can’t edit so I’ll rephrase for simplicity: When you discard the worry of future infidelity, what do you have left to worry about/be resentful of, when considering a girl’s past?

Assume I have alpha frame, and that she’s not an alpha widow, but has a really slutty past. Is there anything with a rationally sound foundation that would queue indignation, or necessitate a NEXT?

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“I am just looking to define some rational basis for my indignation . . .”

They are in the biological imperative. Mating behaviour is only rational at the species survival level. At the individual level there is no good reason to engage in at all. It is always a high risk business with no practical payoff.

And yet praying mantises continue to propagate and survive.

Watch your neck.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Rollo I will be following this e-drama till Roosh’s Neo-Masculinity-Party-Bus full of guys wearing matching pocket-squares is chased out of Toronto by feminists with torches lol This shit is better than reality TV. At least Quintus gets to keep LARP’ing. “We’ll do it in the barroom cellar where they filmed “Fight Club” if we have to.” I’m enjoying the Braveheart videos they’re linking lol He was jealous as fuck about the Julien Blanc fiasco, he didn’t hide it well at all. He’s mentioned in his vblogs that he wants to have 100,000+ followers on his channel etc. Like, he’s clearly… Read more »

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