The Quick Fix

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Becoming the Captain of My Boat dropped this comment in the This is now thread (emphasis mine):

You know, I found the RP about a year and a half ago. I’ve been working on applying things to my life, and for the most part things are going well.

Most of the articles though are about what to avoid, what to look out for, or how to think about women when you’re in your 20’s. The difficult thing is now being aware and seeing it all around you and being married.

I see the Sandberg quote, I hear it all the time from women in one form or another, and then my wife says similar shit. Like she dated the assholes, or had to find herself. Now I’m like, shit, I’m the nice guy she married. I don’t want to be that guy.
I was the asshole in college, what the fuck happened to me and how do I fix it quick? But there is no quick, once you’re in this it’s an uphill battle, a necessary one, but an uphill battle none the less.

I read the Rational Male, I’ve read a number of the books, but it get’s tricky when you’re already in it.

My wife isn’t a terrible person, and I can see firsthand how all this applies to her, but she isn’t malicious. This is subconscious shit reinforced by all their surroundings. Hell, my own betaization was subconscious shit reinforced by my surroundings.

I can say without a doubt that if your’e not already in a LTR or married and you’re younger than 30-35 don’t get in one. Read this stuff, make yourself a better man, fuck around and “find yourself” then you can get into a LTR, because it’s much harder to take control of a ship and right the course with your now demoted wife psychologically kicking and screaming than it is to captain a boat from the get go and then find a hot, willing first mate along the way when you’re already a seasoned salty captain.

He can only speak for himself of course, but Captian’s situation is not an uncommon one. Far too many men discover too late that the great relationship they swore they had with their wives was founded on their having fulfilled a Blue Pill set of achievements.

This belief is part of the plan Hypergamy had intended for him to follow, but as women’s sexual strategy has become more visible (if not outright flaunted) to him he begins to see the code in the Matrix he’s been a willing participant of. The machinations of Hypergamy are unignorable, or soon will be, but it’s one thing to be single and young enough to be able to leverage that plan to your own benefit when you still have the options and maneuverability to do so – it’s quite another to become aware of your own participation in it once you’re committed legally, emotionally and familially to going along with the plan.

For men, one of the more unfortunate consequences of Open Hypergamy is the degree of comfort their wives have in revealing the part their husbands play(ed) in their sexual strategy. As I’ve mentioned in prior posts, in a previous social order it was simply a matter of course that women should keep the mechanics of Hypergamy secret from the men they paired with in the long term.

Amongst themselves women were (and are) very open and frank about their sexual exploits both in the short term sexual and the long term provisional. I’ve always been convinced that women’s insistence on proliferating the trope of men’s “locker room talk” or ‘Humble-Bragging’ about their sexual conquests is a distraction from their own peer clutch groups congratulating themselves on the successes of their sexual strategy.

In a prior social climate keeping these ‘hen house’ Hypergamous revelations to themselves made sense. There was little point to informing the men they depended upon for parental investment and security that they were really the best available option to be their means to an end.

Not so in the present social climate. There is an eager brazenness on the part of wives to openly explain the part their husbands play(ed) in her Hypergamy. I’d attribute most of this to a social climate that encourages women to believe they have nothing to lose by doing so, but there’s also a want to participate (even if vicariously) in the single-woman peer clutch that has openly embraced revealing the ins and outs of Hypergamy publicly.

It’s a rough transition for men to have their Blue Pill idealisms dispelled by the Red Pill community, but it’s far more devastating for men steeped in Blue Pill merit badge accomplishments to have their wives openly confirm what the Red Pill aware have been trying to awaken him to for some time.

Open Hypergamy isn’t just a game for single women; it’s made its way into contemporary marriages. It’s now part of the egalitarian equalist expectation of men in marriage – that in order for men to truly be men worthy of marrying a co-equal ‘modern woman’ he must dispense with any notion of ownership of her, forgive the worst of her Hypergamous indiscretions as part of her “finding herself” and then accept his role as the Plan B, Beta provider for her in the nick of time to help her fulfill her sexual strategy in the long term. All of this coming with no expectation of any reciprocal value on a woman’s part – in fact to believe so is tantamount to marital rape.

I see the Sandberg quote, I hear it all the time from women in one form or another, and then my wife says similar shit. Like she dated the assholes, or had to find herself. Now I’m like, shit, I’m the nice guy she married. I don’t want to be that guy.

I was the asshole in college, what the fuck happened to me and how do I fix it quick? But there is no quick, once you’re in this it’s an uphill battle, a necessary one, but an uphill battle none the less.

This is the revelation men in this situation find themselves in. Even the men who may have fulfilled the role of “a great living dildo” for women in their 20s can still find that their role may have shifted to that of ‘non-threatening relationship material guy’ who she’d never have sex with on the same night she met him.

Now granted, all of this comes back to the subconscious expectation of cuckoldry women place on the men they cast in the passive, supportive role. Women don’t expect the Beta Bucks men they pair with will ever be the Alpha Fucks men their biochemistry predisposes them to want to fuck. But ‘great Dad’ must believe he was chosen as her best option, her best choice for the balance of the two. Only later, once she’s consolidated on him with family, children, financial and professional liabilities to her, is she comfortable in letting him in on how the game was really played.

As I said, the truth of that is hard enough to hear from Red Pill writers on the internet, but to have it viscerally confirmed by a wife without the social filters of an older social climate is a much harder pill to swallow than the red one.

The Fix is In

That sounds like an awful lot of gloom and doom doesn’t it? I can’t speak for Captain, but a woman delivering the confirmation that a guy is really a Blue Pill consolation prize is rarely couched in so melodramatic and sinister delivery. I’ve had many men (mostly disillusioned husbands from MMSL) relate similar stories as Captain’s and none of them were screaming confessions of deceit on the part of their wives. Most were simply matter of fact comments in passing that aligned with their suspicions about themselves.

I hate to harp on Pixar’s Inside Out cartoon, but it’s the simple everyday open Hypergamy that goes unnoticed by Blue Pill idealists. It takes a Red Pill lens to even be sensitive to it, but when you see how casually the wife/mother in this movie fantasizes about her widowed Alpha, the Alpha fantasy she couldn’t consolidate on, and how frustrated she is every time her Beta husband fails a shit test, you begin to understand the passive nature of an overt Hypergamy in women.

Women get frustrated that Blue Pill men Just Don’t Get It. The Blue Pill idealism blinds them to having the insight needed to realize the role they’re supposed to play and the frustration comes from their being over-supportive and over-engaging in order to make things right for their women. Blue Pill men will graciously ‘play equal’ in their marriages in order to live up to the equalist goal-set they were taught would pay off for them for a lifetime if left uncheck or unchallenged.

It’s my belief that wives will use a married form of open, or certainly casually overt, revelations of Hypergamy in order to rouse a man to a Red Pill awareness in the hopes that he’ll Just Get It.

And to answer the inevitable question, yes, this is a meta-scale shit test on the part of wives. However, it’s important remember that Hypergamy is rooted in existential and life-security doubt for women – “Is he really the best I can do?” – and that the shit tests associated with this vary depending on the influences of a woman’s phase of maturity as well as which part of her menstrual cycle she happens to be in.

Revealing the machinations of Hypergamy to a husband has potentially disastrous consequences, or at least it used to. As I said before, women generally don’t sprout horns and a forked tail and say “Ha ha, sucker!” when they reveal Hypergamy; it’s usually a casual inference. If a Blue Pill husband isn’t Getting It about his participation in women sexual strategy from outside means (media, social networks) then the passive or overt shit tests about his awareness of it need to be implemented.

In a previous social order making men aware of this could just as likely result in a woman being divorced or ostracized socially. Today, in men’s never ending quest to satisfy “equalism’s” approval, men are less likely to even believe their role when a woman confirms it for them. Ego-investments meets cognitive dissonance. Not only does he not get it his ego refuses to get it.

This then is the pathetic state of 80%+ of contemporary men. Men so inured by Blue Pill conditioned idealism that they’ll entertain ‘open marriages‘ in order to make themselves ‘better husbands‘ according to an emasculated equalist ideal.

Help! Quick!

So now we come to a situation like Captains – one where that husband Just Gets It only he’s gotten the message, received the awareness, from his wife (either passively or overtly) and he’s both pissed off at his state and equally wants to improve it. I expect most men would advise Cap to sack up and dump that bitch; and they’d probably be right in that assessment. She was duplicitous and then felt so self-assured in her position (reinforced by feminine primary social influences) that she was comfortable in revealing it to him. What’s he gonna do about it, right?

The right answer is to preemptively detonate the marriage. When you consider he’ll be cast in the role of villain no matter who files for divorce (he’s an asshole, or he’s the asshole who couldn’t meet her needs) why not, right? Any kids, any family discord, certainly the financial liabilities, should all be small shrift, collateral damage, when we look at this in terms of justice. It’s just revenge for her double-cross.

And yet that’s not what the vast majority of men in Cap’s situation first consider. Their first thought is “How do I fix this? I’ve lost Frame! How do I get it back fast! Help?” For all of the duplicity inherent in Hypergamy, for all of the insult that comes from a wife confirming he’s her Beta ‘sure thing’ (not the ‘hawt’ college asshole), that guy still wants to make lemonade from lemons, knowing full well she deserves piss.

That husband wants to still be all things, the mythical Good Guy balance, to his wife. There’s something in men’s romantic natures that wants this to work for themselves and in spite of women who fundamentally lack the capacity to appreciate it.

The first question I think men in this situation need to confront is whether it’s worth the effort to attempt to change their wives’ impression of them. If you’re 35 and (should be) entering your SMV peak years, this open Hypergamy revelation is particularly tough to accept since it’s likely you’ve invested 7-8 years in a woman who’s just told you what you are to her (and confirming it’s not who you are that’s of primary importance to her). As I’ve stated many times before, going from a Beta character to an Alpha (or more Alpha) one is always an uphill battle:

How many of the simpering, socially conditioned, Betatized men these women seeth about would make for believable Alphas once they had a red pill epiphany? It is precisely because of this impressionistic, binary solipsism that women will never be happy with ‘fixing’ their Beta. This is why he has to Just Get It on his own.

It is a far better proposition to impress a woman with an organic Alpha dominance – Alpha can only be a man’s dominant personality origin. There is no Beta with a side of Alpha because that side of Alpha is NEVER believable when your overall perception is one of being Beta to begin with. This is why I stress Alpha traits above all else. It’s easy, and endearing to ‘reveal’ a flash of Beta sensitivity when a woman perceives you as predominantly Alpha. If your personality is predominantly Beta, any sporadic flashes of Alpha will seem like emotional tantrums at best, character flaws at worst.

Women may love the Beta, but they only respect the Alpha.

That’s not to say a real transformation isn’t possible, but rather it’s a question of whether the juice will ever be worth the squeeze. There is no ‘quick fix’, no magical formula that will reverse Frame to your favor. Even if you won the lottery tomorrow, you’d still be a Beta with more money to your openly Hypergamous wife now. Frame establishment (not re-establishment if you never had it to begin with) takes time and active, practicable Red Pill awareness.

As I was telling Goldmund in my interview, that awareness needs to become a man’s internalized nature. He needs to become his own self-important mental point of origin; that and a Red Pill aware nature take time to develop. Anyone telling you they have a ‘one-size-fits-all’ Red Pill solution that ‘guarantees results in your marriage’ is selling you something.

I say they’re selling you something because of one simple truth – no quick fix that could make you seem more Alpha, more like the asshole college guy your wife loved to fuck back in the day will ever be believable to her if it happens overnight. On a root, hindbrain level, your Beta designation was set for your wife when she was having her Epiphany Phase. She knows and is comfortable with what she expects your nature and your character to be.

As I illustrated in Archetypes , women need consistency in behavior – they expect you to be Beta and are so comfortable in that assessment that they feel no guilt and have no fear in revealing to you the role you play for her. Thus, any radical shift in that comfort doesn’t seem genuine, and in fact it seems childish that you wont accept your designation.

So, is it worth it? I think my advice in this instance would be this:

Iron Rule of Tomassi #7
It is always time and effort better spent developing new, fresh, prospective women than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship. Never root through the trash once the garbage has been dragged to the curb. You get messy, your neighbors see you do it, and what you thought was worth digging for is never as valuable as you thought it was.

Once your wife has openly revealed your part in the plan, you’ve effectively broken up. Logistically that may not be the case, but I think most guys need to see this for what it is; a rejection of a husband’s authority, masculinity, his decisiveness and his capacity to read the nuances in behavior and a society that’s been (sometimes literally) screaming to him to Just Get It.

Your wife’s garbage can was dragged to the curb by your wife’s admissions, only the trash truck never comes for it because you’re committed to that can staying on the curb until you walk away from it. If you go digging through it to find what you think is valuable, prepare to get real dirty and look for a long time.

You’ve effectively been ‘friend zoned’ in your marriage. You may still have sex, you may still share special moments, but never forget, her confessions make you ‘just a friend’ in your marriage.

 


*Standard disclaimer: Yes, men should forego marriage altogether and/or stringently vet women for virginity, homemaking and childrearing. Importing wives from third world countries is duly noted. Rollo Tomassi has been married for 19 years to a magical unicorn he found after being a semi-pro rock star and lives an idyllic life of riches and extravagance. NAWALT. Your milage may vary. See dealer for details.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Highwasp
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Re-read the speech and I think I have my answer… Eskimo ‘horn rimmed, Hollywood producer’ = Jew. Those sneaky FK’in Eskimos!

Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.

@anonymous “When they allow the jews to show in every movie, TV show and commercial, miscegenation, with our beautiful women of European descent always mating with Africans, that is being a traitor to this nation.” Just like beta nice boys are invisible to women, the vast majority of non-alpha black men are invisible to you. European descent women only go after the alpha cream of black people over the beta residue of white people. The Beta residue amongst the blacks in America are so disproportionately affected that they have been the first people in the entire world have gone MGTOW… Read more »

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Has this site also attracted the right wing neo Nazi type that seems to have become part of Roosh’s and Heartiste’s site. I have stopped reading their sites because of the constant articles on why one race is inferior and the other (mostly white men) isn’t. I came to this site to read about intergender relations not inter racial. I have to commend Rollo for avoiding it. I am not sure how the Republican debate, police shooting unarmed citizens (blacks) (which isn’t red pill) or Eskimos are related to this thread.

Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.

@Cool, “Has this site also attracted the right wing neo Nazi type that seems to have become part of Roosh’s and Heartiste’s site. I have stopped reading their sites because of the constant articles on why one race is inferior and the other (mostly white men) isn’t. I came to this site to read about intergender relations not inter racial. I have to commend Rollo for avoiding it. I am not sure how the Republican debate, police shooting unarmed citizens (blacks) (which isn’t red pill) or Eskimos are related to this thread.” Nope, Rollo keeps it very open. Hardly, any… Read more »

Cool
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Cool

@Shiva H.P.
Great response. Funny some of these neo-Nazi types talk down about black men. Yet black men have lost their lives because little snow flake lied about being raped. Yet these neo Nazis claim the white man is under attack? And you claim you’re an alpha?

Jeremy
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Jeremy

Feel free to pull my mistake of a reply, I didn’t read far enough down before responding.

key
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YaReally – OT practical query (no spergo): re your recent focus (heh) on intense eye contact at RM and CH agree on the importance and utility, but when you are really close face to face, you can’t look into “eyes” because you have two and function of stereoscopic eye focus is on one point to add depth perception – switch one to the other – keep your distance so you can look at both? you must know what im talking about – stereoscopic vision doesn’t lend itself to intense eye contact up close – and yeah, i know, at some… Read more »

key
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Fleezer:

“its all transitory”

Fair enough – my post wasn’t meant as a direct response or disagreement to yours, just to aelorne – to get out of his head and enjoy the moment or next and look for LTR material

All I really wanted was breakfast

Badpainter
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“stereoscopic vision doesn’t lend itself to intense eye contact up close”

How close? My close in focus used to be about 4″ now it’s out to 18″. Less than 4″ I get double vision. A 4″ gap is pretty damn close, especially with someone you just met.

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BP – that’s what I’m talking about – even at 18″, you’re looking at one eye or the other – you can’t really stare into a woman’s “eyes,” because you have two that focus on a particular point

hell, this is starting to sound very spergy – swear, no spergo

kfg
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kfg

“Eye contact” is a metaphor. I do not advise literal eye contact.

Ergo, it doesn’t matter if she appears as nothing but a blur to you, or if you’re actually looking at something just behind her left ear. It is her perception of the interaction that is important.

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key -“…even at 18″, you’re looking at one eye or the other – you can’t really stare into a woman’s ‘eyes,’…”

No. You can’t. I can but it’s blurry now. At 12’ or less I focus on her right eye with my left (I’m left eye dominant) and ignore my right.

I have friends with kids and staring contests are great for figuring these technical issues.

Forge the Sky
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Lol. Locking eyes with a girl is instinctive if you’re vibing strongly with her. Like you get tunnel vision or something.

If your eyes are darting between focal points you’re not into it. And she can probably tell. This sort of thing is hard to fully fake, the real skill is learning how to actually get yourself ‘in state’ so you are into it.

Once it’s happened to you a few times naturally, you get the feel for it.

Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.

Seriously!!! Westerners clean shave off your facial hair and shave off your chest hair and still do not think these 2 activities as effeminate. And you guys are whining about a young men changing their hairstyles a bit and putting slightly feminine clothes. Need I remind the Europeans nobles, courtesans as well as common gentlemen in the society in the post Renaissance society, 1. applying tonnes of powder on their faces along with red makeup on cheeks 2. Wearing weird costumes with feminine artifacts and embroidaries 3. To top it of, wear a grey/white wig. Man, I always used to… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.
Forge the Sky
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Forge the Sky

I wouldn’t be surprised if something not consciously controllable, such as the interocular angle, was changing in that sort of circumstance. Like how you can’t control if your voice shakes or if your pupil dilate based upon mood.

kfg
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kfg

Much of what we think of as feminine style is actually masculine style that the FI has usurped over the past 300 years or so, particularly since the late 1800s. Women started carrying purses to show that they had masculine control over money and weren’t beholden to a man. The suffragettes started wearing pink as a display of masculine strength (although it was that of a boy, not a man). The flappers started wearing their skirts above the knee. It isn’t skirts that are feminine, it is long skirts. They signify that others do your labor for you (and so… Read more »

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From Bloomberg article: ” And consumer habits about gender traditions are getting broken down at younger and younger ages—a new string of startups are attempting to obliterate the barriers between clothes that are designed for young boys vs. those designed for young girls. In 10 years, a college student’s idea of what is “masculine” or “feminine” clothing is likely to be drastically different. ” Oooohhhhh getthefuckouttahere!!!! Consumer habits are getting ” broken down at younger and younger ages…” This is that shit right there. Who is doing the ” breaking “??? Like Rollo, I have a teenage daughter at this… Read more »

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kfg

“They cant do anything.”

A young man, about 20 or so, came over to my house asking if I had a screwdriver. “Sure,” I said, “What for?”

He showed me a part he wanted to remove from his bicycle.

It was held on by a bolt.

Jeremy
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@Rollo… wtf… When you first commented about the men your daughter is meeting I thought that my problem was my age separation from men in their 20s at this point. That link confirms it, I apparently have no idea how much further the rabbit hole got tunneled out after I left.

Of course, you did say your daughter is a model. So unfortunately she’s throwing herself into a bad industry to look for a masculine man. I feel her pain, engineering/science is a bad place to look for a feminine woman.

Jeremy
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OT… If you wanted to see graphically just how/why men are priced out of the marketplace of fatherhood…. http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/07/WelfareState1.png Look closely at that data… A single woman pulling in a relatively easy $12 an hour gets enough government subsidy for being a single mother to effectively make $60,000+ a year *after taxes*, which can easily amount to $80,000 a year or more depending on municipality (though in fairness, subsidies also vary by municipality as do living expenses). Even a two-parent, single-income home will have significant trouble coming up with that level of income. If we take away the subsidized programs,… Read more »

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I don’t think single motherhood should be subsidized, but that graph *science* is crazy inaccurate, or else every single mom would be insane not to move to Cook County. Anyone who’s seen or knows people collecting assistance knows that they in no way live like someone earing 60,000 dollars a year. Sigh…. hyperbole doesn’t help fix the real problem. The data doesn’t explain the story on the ground in most cases. Too much money is being funneled into the dependency industry, but no one can remain ” poor ” on 60,000 dollars a year. People I’ve KNOWN of welfare live… Read more »

Blaximus
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… oh yeah, the only folks I’ve seen make out like bandits in welfaria are the folks that own the apartments and houses that are paid by the state to house recipients. I once saw the state of New Jersey pay 1,800 bucks a week to put recipients up in a hotel room. A shitty hotel at that. And the state filled that hotel to capacity at those bullshit rates for over a year.

Jeremy
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Jeremy

I guess this girl must be completely wrong then.

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@Shiva – While I loathe the ignorant, ankle biting, vile racists here as well, you have to get over your burning hatred/jealousy of the West and whites. Native Americans – No primitive, pre-industrial society could resist the encroachment of western, modern powers. Your own nation of origin is a testament to that. They are lucky we didn’t exterminate them like most other people did in the pre-20th century world – that was the norm. I also love when people talk about our horrifying conquest of the Mexicans. First off, it was Spanish imperialism we were fighting, not the Mexicans. And… Read more »

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Blaximus

@ Jeremy, Really? I live in close enough proximity to welfare folks, I’ve seen them regularly for many decades. I can’t debate this issue with statisticians. I will say this. Broke mothafuckas who rant and rave about 3-400 bucks and where they can spend that money are not to be taken seriously. Even in this bullshit video the chick says 221 dollars a month. Break into song and dance. Watch what they do, not what they say….. Chris Rock had a routine about..folks..singing ” welfare carols ” . People with nothing are thrilled with something, especially if it’s free. If… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

And not to get off on too much of a rant, but decent folks of color find videos like that offensive. A minority within a minority.

Just sayin’.

David W
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I have some thoughts on this essay. Tomassi wrote: “…it’s quite another to become aware of your own participation in it once you’re committed legally, emotionally and familially to going along with the plan.” This was in regard to your wife openly confirming your role as beta. I want to address the situation that I find myself in, which I think is more common one. My wife has not “openly revealed your[my] part in the plan,” however, I am now red pill aware and I see that I transitioned from a somewhat alpha male in my youth, to a complete… Read more »

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What you’re creating is a straw man, Blaximus. My point was that fatherhood is priced out the equation. Your response has been to infer that my point was something else, namely that those on welfare were “living it up” on their meager income + subsidies. That was not my point, but you can continue to think it was. The fact remains, if you give women all of that subsidy to pump out babies, they will continue to not consider the consequences of who they fuck. This is before you even consider that women have all the choice in the world… Read more »

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@David – My suggestion? Focus on “internal game”. Forget about your wife and “fixing” your marriage for the time being. Make yourself your own point of mental origin and develop the habit of living to please yourself, first and foremost. If you do this, fyi, you will be demonstrating value to your wife and she may react in surprising ways. The hard bit to admit is that most wives are really begging to be alphaed up – even if they bitch about it. But even then, if you go through this transformation properly, you won’t be doing it to fix… Read more »

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I don’t do the straw man thing. I responded 1) to the data and graph being unrealistic. I then gave reasons why. Basing conclusions on faulty reasoning is ..well….faulty. 2) I then responded to that bullshit video because wtf? I agreed that women/single moms should not be subsidized by anyone. The graph you referred to has unrealistic numbers and totals in my experience. I’ve heard hundreds of over-inflated amounts attributed to welfare. So, as I’m want to do, I expanded. So let’s recap shall we? No one on welfare is getting 60 grand a year. That number is complete bullshit.… Read more »

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@ kfg re: screwdriver to remove a bolt If it wasn’t for my friend, who I didn’t meet until later in my life, I probably wouldn’t know the difference either. I’ve grown a lot over the past few years learning my trade. Introduced to all kinds of tools I didn’t even know existed. Just the other day I had to get a 1/4″ piece of steel and a 1/4″ drive 8mm socket, both of which I had to modify using a cut off tool and a bench grinder to fit around a brass nut in a really awkwardly routed channel.… Read more »

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@kfg “It is her perception of the interaction that is important.” Gold @Blaximus ” I am fortunate to have known 90% of the men I’ve met and learned from in my lifetime. I have volumes of respect for the abilities of men. This loss is unfathomable to me.” Spoke to masculine style about this today. Didn’t grow up with an example learning and growing as I go along. “The dependency state is a really fucked up way to live, and only ever promotes more dependency for generations to come. It’s evil.” That’s beautifully stated. “Watch what they do, not what… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.

“@Shiva – While I loathe the ignorant, ankle biting, vile racists here as well, you have to get over your burning hatred/jealousy of the West and whites.” The jealously you perceive I have about whites is only your paranoia. I never said whites did this whites did that, I specifically named GOTUS. I don’t care whether it was the whites, natives or blacks in the GOTUS who broke treaties and perpetrated systemic genocide against the native americans. Reneging of treaties unilaterally for greed is not a virtue for any race of people. I only mentioned that, just like “sins of… Read more »

hoellenhund2
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The young men I am presented with today don’t know how to do anything at all, and they are perfectly happy with that. A few of my God children came over my house for some pool time and a barbeque. Fellas, I had 2 giant gas grilles and 2 smokers going full blast, and not one of the 6 or so young men had any interest what-so-ever in checking out the culinary hijinks that were unfolding. They all just sat around inside waiting on the girls to direct the That’s just obvious. The whole point of technological progress is to… Read more »

hoellenhund2
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Jeremy, well, up to this point there have been absolutely no “men” my daughter has met. Would you, as her father, be more comfortable with the alternative? Either you have a society where men are responsible for women and women are accountable to men, to borrow an expression from Novaseeker, or you have one where men aren’t responsible for women and women aren’t accountable to men. Either one or the other. There’s no third option. Today we have the latter, as we here all know. This means boys aren’t socially expected to assume responsibility for women, so nobody bothers to… Read more »

hoellenhund2
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Yes, your white ancestors built this nation on the grave of the native american societies and civilization.

They had no civilization to speak of, and their overwhelming majority ended up in graves due to unintended epidemics, not violent death. The main reason white settlers were successful is that the lands they claimed were very sparsely populated even before those epidemics, as opposed to the situation in South Africa, where white colonialism thus eventually failed. Those lands were sparsely populated because the natives lacked the necessary abilities and conditions to build a civilization that can populate a land in the first place.

Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.

“They had no civilization to speak of,” Your claim, they did not have your type of civilization ” and their overwhelming majority ended up in graves due to unintended epidemics, not violent death. The main reason white settlers were successful is that the lands they claimed were very sparsely populated even before those epidemics, as opposed to the situation in South Africa, where white colonialism thus eventually failed. Those lands were sparsely populated because the natives lacked the necessary abilities and conditions to build a civilization that can populate a land in the first place.” Still it does not mean… Read more »

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So tell me, Shiva, what kind of moral code did Native American tribes adhere to? Was it a morality superior to that of evil imperialist crackers? Did they wage wars against one another or not? Did they ever take and mistreat hostages or not? Did they live in complete harmony with the land or not? Did they ever forcibly take the wealth and possessions of others or not? Did they kill and torture prisoners or not? Would they have treated Whites better or worse if the roles were reversed?

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Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.

“So tell me, Shiva, what kind of moral code did Native American tribes adhere to? Was it a morality superior to that of evil imperialist crackers? Did they wage wars against one another or not? Did they ever take and mistreat hostages or not? Did they live in complete harmony with the land or not? Did they ever forcibly take the wealth and possessions of others or not? Did they kill and torture prisoners or not? ” You came into their homes, Native americans did not invade Europe. For a moment , would you even care to place yourself in… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.

“The FI will reap what it sows. Unfortunately, we will all pay the price in the end. Who is gonna rebuild this crumbling country? Will everything requiring muscle and balls have to be outsourced to an immigrant population?” People in the West are too drunk up on rugged individualism and think boys should just get it. You guys cannot have you cake and eat it too. Men of this generation cannot sit on sidelines and whine about how bad the next generation of boys coming out are while they themselves have not mentored any. It was the catholic church ,… Read more »

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kfg

” . . . had in the process of colonization, Europeans died due to diseases . . .”

They did and were.

“If you believe might is right . . .”

If you believe your property rights have been violated, how do you enforce them?

kfg
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kfg

‘When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.’ -G.K. Chesterton

YaReally
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@key lol don’t worry I know what you’re asking. I wondered the same shit back in the day. Here’s my spergy technical answer: I focus on their left eye (so from my point of view it’s the eye on the right). I read that the shit on the right side of our body is connected to the left side of the brain and vice-versa, and that the right side of the brain is the creative emotional side and the left is the logical side, a lot of people say focus on their left eye so the wiring is going up… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.

“” . . . had in the process of colonization, Europeans died due to diseases . . .”They did and were.” I meant that in context of a hypothetical scenario of Native Americans colonizing Europe. “If you believe your property rights have been violated, how do you enforce them?” So, if only by enforcement do we differ in right or wrong then we end up with might is right. By this definition, Nazism would have been right had Hitler won. Right now, the western man is increasingly powerless against the state and Feminism, is it they are right to abuse… Read more »

Badpainter
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Badpainter

Shiva – “By this definition, Nazism would have been right had Hitler won.”

Godwin violation noted.

kfg
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kfg

“I meant that in context of a hypothetical scenario of Native Americans colonizing Europe.” I meant it in the context of reality. More than half of Europeans died of a foreign disease, in some locales as many as 90%, and in the wake of that most of Europe was invaded and colonized and although they were eventually driven back, to this day the invaders still maintain a foothold. There were two basic asymmetries in the case of the New World. The disease that Europeans transmitted was quick acting, while that which the Native Americans transmitted was slow acting. It was… Read more »

kfg
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kfg

Oh, and as for Chesterton, he was speaking in defence of the Catholic Church, so you were right in spirit.

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Shiva – You are bringing a knife to a gunfight. Your responses and parsing are spurious nonsense and only serve to reveal how little you know about the topics you babble about. Further engagement with you by me would be the equivalent of me punching out a 9 year old girl.

As for the rest of you racist cocksuckers, you’ve got nothing but weak hyperbole and hate. Fuck off now.

kfg
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Forgive the broken nature of my reply, I need more coffee. ” . . . if only by enforcement do we differ in right or wrong then we end up with might is right. By this definition, Nazism would have been right had Hitler won.” It is not a question of right or wrong, but what is. Everything is done by force. Your rights were only obtained by force, and they will only be maintained by force. Fundamentally you only actually have one right, the others being corollary to that one: The right of self defence. As it happens the… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
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Shiva H. P.

@kfg,
You and others are still skirting the issue.
Keeping the nitty gritties aside, would it have been still right had roles been reversed between native Americans and Europeans; ending with Native Americans conquering and cleaning up Europe for their descendants?

And doesn’t all of this finally ends to “Whats mine is mine, whats yours is negotiable”
And thats whats Feminism is also doing.

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“Forgive the broken nature of my reply, I need more coffee. ” . . . German invaders from the lower Rhine who took it by force. …” Thats what my question as well, is Feminism backed by the full force of the State doing anything wrong? If our resistance fails, then everything Feminism did was all right as per that logic. This is one of the greatest point of contention I have with Westerners. 1. You have rights(halal) and wrongs(haram) with minimal grey areas. 2. Your rights and wrongs changes all the time at whim 3. Anyone who is not… Read more »

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“And doesn’t all of this finally ends to “Whats mine is mine, whats yours is negotiable”” No. It finally ends to “What’s mine is what I can prevent you from taking from me.” That’s the only reason my doors have locks on them. “And thats whats Feminism is also doing.” That’s right. And I’ve already addressed that slightly up thread: The constraint on female behaviour is male behaviour. The reason you can stand on the floor is because when you apply a force against it, it does its part by applying a force against you. As I recall Lord Krishna… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
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“No. It finally ends to “What’s mine is what I can prevent you from taking from me.” That’s the only reason my doors have locks on them.” Locks and doors can be pulled down by the State or a mob. Does not mean the State or a mob can overreach. “The constraint on female behaviour is male behaviour. The reason you can stand on the floor is because when you apply a force against it, it does its part by applying a force against you.” One constraint on male behavior is the State and thats why Feminism is winning and… Read more »

kfg
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kfg

“One constraint on male behavior is the State . . .” The behaviour of the State is the behaviour of people. ” . . . as per your definitions doing right . . .” You cannot have read and understood my definitions. I have defined feminism as winning because they are applying a greater force than is opposing it. I have introduced no concept of morality. It is a natural law that it apply force. Why are your arguments and questions seemingly formed to escape your responsibilities in the dharma? You cannot stand on the floor passively, demanding that the… Read more »

Softek
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@ YaReally Lmao. Nice advice. I was looking between the eyes to try to maintain focus on both. I just googled a picture of a woman so I could try your way out of focusing on the left eye (right from my perspective). It does make a big difference. A few seconds looking at the image and focusing both ways — I can feel it. Interesting. I wonder if I haven’t been utilizing eye contact as fully as I thought because I was focusing on the area between the eyes as opposed to just locking onto one eye. A part… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
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“The behaviour of the State is the behaviour of people.” Not right, how many people are happy with Obama care, naked body scanning and groping from TSA. How many people would like the interest rate to stay this low? Thats why behavior of the State is aligned with behavior of the masses only on few vectors. But the TPTB decide the alignment of rest of vectors. “You cannot have read and understood my definitions. … as it must “retaliate.”” Long story short, Native Americans would have been also right had they succeeded in cleaning up Europe as per your explanation.… Read more »

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@Softek When you lock eyes legit, you’ll find it’s hard for her to tear her eyes away from yours and vice-versa. My buddy describes it as holding two magnets near eachother, they instinctively want to stay locked and trying to pull them away feels a little difficult like they linger behind until you get your head turned far enough and then you’re free again. It’s a trippy little thing and I don’t understand the actual science of what’s going on but it’s pretty consistent. “If your focus is too narrow you won’t be able to tell if they’re starting to… Read more »

Forge the Sky
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Forge the Sky

@Shiva

You keep asking what is right. Ultimately it’s a useless question if you cannot make it real.

Anger and indignation are useless emotions unless augmenting productive action.

Forge the Sky
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Forge the Sky

“This is one of the greatest point of contention I have with Westerners.
1. You have rights(halal) and wrongs(haram) with minimal grey areas.
2. Your rights and wrongs changes all the time at whim
3. Anyone who is not following you current right is wrong.
4. You have no concept of righteousness.”

Basically, you accuse us of overconfidence. Guilty as charged. In the human sphere, however, irrational confidence isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

It’s a masculine display of fitness.

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@ Shiva Congradulations you’ve just received the enlightened notion that people get the government they want, and are willing to work toward. The power to rule or govern depends entirely on the consent of those subject to it’s rules/laws. So long as no mass aggregate resistance exists TPTB have both the actual and moral authority to do as they please. Thus we can see how targeting civilians in modern warfare is both strategically and even morally necessary. The residents of Dresden weren’t rebelling against the Reich so they were defacto supporters and therefore legitimate targets (I know; Godwin violation, I… Read more »

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” As well the general attitude of socons and tradcons often suggests they’d rather accept the status quo generally than risk losing their bourgoise reputations to say nothing of losing jobs, or property.” Righteousness(Dharma) is standing your ground on the values one have even at the risk losing their bourgoise reputations to say nothing of losing jobs, or property. If Americans cannot stand for what is right then, except for prosperity, there is no difference between US and a banana republic. We got a tangential old saying that if, “the silent victim of a crime is wronger than the perpetrator”.… Read more »

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@YaReally It’s fucking nuts really. I’ve spent my time looking at the fundamental emotions and instincts involved with this, checking my own state, reading how other people are feeling around me, much more than studying routines or MM or stuff like that. And I think a lot of the other things – routines, openers, even your looks and status – are really little more than things that provided permission for her to allow you her time, and access to her personal space. Well, maybe that’s exaggerating a bit lol there’s a lot of things going on. But the triggering of… Read more »

Shiva H. P.
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“@Shiva You keep asking what is right. Ultimately it’s a useless question if you cannot make it real. Anger and indignation are useless emotions unless augmenting productive action.” I do not have absolutes in rights and wrongs like most non-Westereners are. I was just trying to have a discourse when the point was raised in the reference to Western society, that some thing was wrong or right. My point is you have a belief system, fine, Just do not be hypocrites within your own belief systems. “Basically, you accuse us of overconfidence. Guilty as charged. In the human sphere, however,… Read more »

Badpainter
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Badpainter

Shiva – “He explains that the sense of justice for a conqueror is
‘I will slaughter my way to the top, but once I reach there, I want peace'”

Si vis pacem, para bellum – Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus

Peace through Brute Force – Strategic Underwater Command motto c.1970

Peace through Superior Firepower – c.1982 Posters and T-Shirts in SOF magazine.

It’s variation on dread game.

Shiva H. P.
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“Shiva – “He explains that the sense of justice for a conqueror is
‘I will slaughter my way to the top, but once I reach there, I want peace’”
Si vis pacem, para bellum – Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus
Peace through Brute Force – Strategic Underwater Command motto c.1970
Peace through Superior Firepower – c.1982 Posters and T-Shirts in SOF magazine.
It’s variation on dread game.”

Well, I was not pointing at strategic deterrence efforts, I was pointing to Gunboat diplomacy.

Shiva H. P.
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@ Badpainter,
What kind of peace did the conquerors practicing gunboat diplomacy achieved?
Had it not been for the Soviets there would have been no strategic deterrence efforts but only continuation of gunboat diplomacy.

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@ YaReally Awesome. The other day when I was out I almost sat next to this girl, thinking the same thing — kino would be easier. But I sat across from her instead. The eye contact thing was pretty crazy. It works. All it takes is a quick glance and when you lock in, you’re right — it’s like a magnet. I also did some NLP on this girl yesterday. I was helping her work through some emotional issue she had. Inbetween I threw in some jokes as I was using some physical anchors on her (e.g. grabbing and holding… Read more »

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@ Shiva re: push/pull weights I’m using some gymnastics rings. There’s an exercise called hinge rows. Or just regular rows and Bulgarian rows, etc. Bent over barbell rows are okay, but I prefer the rings for back exercises because they seem to really push your range of motion and develop strength in that increased range of motion. Once I’m strong enough to do a respectable amount of pullups, I don’t know if I’ll keep up with the ring rows or not. If I’d even have to, I mean. I’m doing ring rows for the time being because I can only… Read more »

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@shiva I’m not sure any civilization has been more enlightened than this, really. You look back into the philosophical history of India or anywhere else and you can find the saints and wise men, but they’re never the majority. Or even a substantial minority. Knowing how to be proud is the essence of masculinity. Knowing when not to be is the essence of wisdom. But few men are wise. I’m pretty ambivalent about modern mainstream medicine. And work in it. It’s great for crisis circumstances. In other cases it tends to lose the forest for the trees. ‘You have inflammation… Read more »

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@Rollo I got dragged to a yoga class once. The instructor was a super passionate, spiritual type. Everyone treated her like a guru. She was a bit older, but actually kinda cute, so on some impulse I just stared at her as though paying close attention. At some point she saw, locked eyes with me, and waited for me to break, as everyone else in the room would have instantly. I didn’t. She held for maybe 3 seconds, then turned away, and a smile was playing across her face that she tried to suppress. I did this to a prof… Read more »

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@ Rollo I noticed the other day that the girl would naturally break eye contact after a while, maybe around 5 seconds or so. But she kept coming back for more. Back in the day this girl made fun of me for being creepy because I kept staring at her. Desperate Beta, lol. I had no idea who she was. Just saw her sitting there, and every time she’d look back at me, I’d stare right at her eyes. Kind of had that serial killer thing going on, lol. One time on a college campus, when I had my homeless… Read more »

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kfg

” . . . the person who is supposed to push you off the cliff for having done that to me, has the free will to refuse.”

Exactly. It is not the State that arrests you, it is a policeman.

” Native Americans would have been also right had they succeeded in cleaning up Europe as per your explanation.”

No, as per my explanation they would have been the winner.

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“I’m not sure any civilization has been more enlightened than this, really. You look back into the philosophical history of India or anywhere else and you can find the saints and wise men, but they’re never the majority. Or even a substantial minority.” My basic point was not really intended about comparing civilizations. It was about solipsistic hypocrisy that I saw in the thought of some of the posters here of the order of, “If you do it, its charity, if others do, its rape”. Also, Glenn went overboard with “dick sucking” and other things which shows the paranoia of… Read more »

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Shiva – “Just my the simple act of pointing out inconsistencies and showing up the mirror gets me and entire non-western world branded as America haters.” I guess that’s because on the one hand you expect something from the West without having to pay for it, and on the other hand you offer criticism of what is given. I called that ingratitude, and as an American it looks like another long winded example of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t. ” Too which I can only say Fuck Off, and fix your own problems. It’s the same with… Read more »

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@Forge the sky “Basically it’s like she’s testing your frame first verbally, then if she can’t find an excuse to blow you out she starts checking your emotional congruence by looking at all your tiny facial sub communications (which are harder to fake), then she starts putting herself in your hands to see if you’ve got the balls to make shit happen.” Reads like a good date. “Knowing how to be proud is the essence of masculinity. Knowing when not to be is the essence of wisdom. But few men are wise.” Building in the outdoors gets tho to sink… Read more »

YaReally
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@Rollo “Sustain that contact for too long and it triggers defensiveness (creepy) because women interpret it as confrontational (attack posturing).” I agree with the rest of your comment and know the mechanic you’re talking about (I learned the same thing in martial arts when I was younger) but this is something I disagree with now for seduction. The PUA community taught the same thing, where you want to make eye contact but if you hold it too long it becomes creepy…and also we focused a lot on avoiding giving girls eye-contact easily like be aloof and look around instead of… Read more »

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YaReally – “This is a really consistent pattern and my buddy finds the exact same thing. This can be done with no previous attraction either, like you can be having a 100% platonic conversation with some store clerk chick and if you lock eyes and slow down and leave pauses etc. after about 10 seconds she’ll lock-in and you’ll feel it feels ‘different’ and the convo will trail off and you’ll see her getting attracted.” So that’s what that is! And I gotta say your description of things, how they are and they work is, for me, incredibly useful. Much… Read more »

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Shiva H. P.

“I guess that’s because on the one hand you expect something from the West without having to pay for it, and on the other hand you offer criticism of what is given.” Seems like I touched a raw nerve while speaking the truth. Thats an outrageously unsubstantiated allegation that I have placed an expectation on the West without pay. What has been given to me? what have I criticized about that has been given to me? Either you are hallucinating or projecting some one else onto me. ” I called that ingratitude, and as an American it looks like another… Read more »

Lucien
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@Aelorne Stopped reading the other advice to you. WTF? It seems to be that you should get over it. According to you, this girl let herself be raped on roofies, multiple times. You are perfectly right to find this deeply disturbing. I would gtfo. I find the other advice bizarre. No, not all women are out there doing shit like that. Jesus. And even if that cuts down your options, that’s totally a reasonable decision. There are definitely girls I would rather be celibate than fuck. If you were pumping and dumping, that would be one thing. But you seem… Read more »

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@Lucien

Seconded. Some of the points earlier were about the futility of finding a perfect, pristine, innocent virgin who’s attractive and in her twenties. And that her perception of you as alpha is more important anyways. But it’s not hard to find girls who weren’t willing participants in multiple drug-fueled rape gangbangs. What the actual fuck.

Forge the Sky
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@YaReally

Yup, what you’re describing matches my experience well. Like I was saying to Rollo, there does seem to be a variant of direct eye contact that’s sexual rather than aggressive. Like the difference between a smile, and baring your teeth in anger.

Lucien
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Lucien

@Aelorne I’m going to say more. The problem for you is this. The reason for your insecurity is this. You are not treating the girl like she deserves. That makes you a beta. This girl is an irredeemable whore. If saying that makes you uncomfortable, you are being beta. She knows that she is. If you treated her accordingly she would respect you (with other consequences, irrelevant to this point). That doesn’t mean the goal is gaining her respect. No. The goal is regaining your f*cking self-respect. Do you know how to show this girl disrespect? That’s the problem. A… Read more »

Lucien
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Lucien

On the weakness of younger dudes these days: yeah. I used to be more insecure back when I was a teenager. Changed a lot since then, but the world around me has too. I used to feel threatened by jocks. Now I feel like they might be among the few people left who can actually understand me, who might have something in common with me (manhood of any sort whatsoever). So few of us you have to make alliances wherever you can. You might think it was all good for the last cocks standing, but there are problems. First, it… Read more »

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Lucien, part of the problem is also that most of the few masculine men left are men who are sociopathic enough to ignore all the programing. The typical redpiller – men who are intelligent, well-balanced, and well-intentioned generally, but strong and smart enough to wake up from the matrix – are vanishingly rare. With a lot of girls, you need to either find them in a high-energy, risk-taking state – nightclubs, vacation – or you need to run a pretty warm, friendly sort of game. Old-school masculinity, rough-edged shit, works very well. But only if she has enough social reference… Read more »

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rugby11ljh

@Lucien
“Understanding of masculinity is also at an all time low, and everyone fears what they don’t understand. ”
https://m.soundcloud.com/opiate-pusher/deftones-maynard-james-keenan
That’s damn true so true I am going on a walk.

Badpainter
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@ Rollo

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/04/the-organization-kid/302164/

Goes some way to describing why today’s young men are soft and pliable, and how the FI’s risk aversion has been breeding conformity.

kobayashii1681
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Sensei (Rollo): “Aelorne, don’t try to unite morality with Hypergamy, you’ll only end up with a religion you hate.”

Boom!

kfg
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kfg

“He doesn’t know how to drive a stick.”

I used letting out a clutch as a simile a bit upstream. It was several minutes after I posted it when I thought, “Oh, wait . . .”

Lucien
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Lucien

@Badpainter One of my favorite articles of all time. Perfectly sums up everything that disturbed me throughout high school and college. And absolutely crucial to why manhood is in decline. See, especially, his thing at the end about football. @Forge the Sky “part of the problem is also that most of the few masculine men left are men who are sociopathic enough to ignore all the programing. The typical redpiller – men who are intelligent, well-balanced, and well-intentioned generally, but strong and smart enough to wake up from the matrix – are vanishingly rare.” Couldn’t agree more. In fact, most… Read more »

key
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ya – good stuff – knew you had a take on it

i was considering selling all my possessions and moving to a cave to play world of warcraft for the rest of my days

Aelorne
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@rollo: Question for you about this “being late to the party” dynamic. Part of the reason I resent my girlfriend is all the enormous amounts of CC she rode, and how I never really got into that scene in college (blue pill, not a natural). I resent the dudes who got those things with her, and that she wallowed in an exclusive world of which I was never a part. The weightlifting guru/philosopher Elliott Hulse has a quote about attempting to slay dragons you never got to earlier in life- how it’s wasted effort. Can one ever get over the… Read more »

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