Spring Break

I apologize in advance for dropping this now, but I felt it would benefit my college age readers at this time. Your regularly scheduled introspectives will resume shortly.

I had this clip tweeted to me this morning and it reminded me of a very old post I started on SoSuave with regard to the statistical probabilities of a breakup throughout the year. Keep in mind, these stats were from a survey 5 years ago.

amazing_facts_facebook_breakups

I watched a TED talk the other day from David McCandless called “The beauty of data visualizations“. It was quite amazing and included lots of different datasets. One of them was about Facebook and breakups. David and his team scanned over 10 000 status-updates and set out to learn more about when people broke up. 

This is what they learned:

  • A big peak right before Spring Break
  • Most breakups are announced on Mondays
  • People like to start the summer being single
  • A big peak right before Christmas
  • The lowest day throughout the whole year is Christmas Day (thank God)

Back when I first published Wait For It? (it was actually based on a much older post I did on SoSuave) I took a lot of shit for suggesting women in the proper ovulatory disposition were more than open to casual sex with the right guy, in the right place, in the right time:

Iron Rule of Tomassi #3

Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.

When a woman makes you wait for sex you are not her highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It’s sex first, then relationship, not the other way around. A woman who wants to fuck you will find a way to fuck you. She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work – women who want to fuck will find a way to fuck. The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable and wants a relationship first is the same girl who fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break just half an hour after meeting him.

If I have an addendum to this it would be that, in light of the growing pride women are taking in Open Hypergamy today, women in their Party Years actively schedule their “casual” indiscretions. Those mate guarding instincts you feel with your “great girlfriend” around Spring Break? They’re not for nothing. You can choose to ignore your gut, but understand those instincts get triggered for a reason.

Standard caveats apply of course – self-conscious (or not drunk enough) Quality Girlfriend® at 0:11 duly noted.

This may seem like so much red meat for my younger readership, but it does illustrate a point I made about women following the Sandberg Plan in their party years. Young man, remember this clip when your Quality Girlfriend® comes back to campus next week and says “I don’t know what happened. I’m not usually like that. I was drunk, he was cute and well,…one thing led to another.”

Remember this clip when when you’re this side of 30 and the 29 year old woman you’re dating is going through her Epiphany Phase and trying to “do the right thing” tells you, “I used to be a different person back in college” and presses you to ‘Man Up’ with an ultimatum for marriage. It may not be as damning as, I don’t know, finding an amateur porn video of her, but you’ll have a better idea of the context of the time line I detailed in Preventive Medicine.

Remember what I’ve written about proactive cuckoldry.

Remember that even if your great girlfriend / wife would never do such things, her girlfriends likely did and regaled her with all the stories about it during her own party years.

Remember this when you’re helping to pay off your wife’s student loans and the credit card debt she accrued buying the hot little thong she bought just for Spring Break.

So, plan accordingly, respond appropriately and never forget…

Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.

261 comments

  1. Those girls care less about ‘Mr. Right’ at Spring Break because they want ‘Mr. Right Now.” That graph is simply beautiful, it illustrates the ‘springtime’ mating patterns you see in many animal species.

  2. Understood
    So, plan accordingly, respond appropriately and never forget…

    Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.

  3. That correlates rather well to my experiences at a karaoke bar frequented by coeds, particularly in their revealing outfits when they’re again available. Two weeks before holidays is usually when they go home. Sadly, the Spring Breakers who come to FL have nothing on our regular FL girls (who all go to Panama City), so it isn’t really worth bothering with them.

  4. When I coached, I would always rely heavily on what I called “Girlfriend Season” it IS very real. As real as New Moon debauchery.

    Understand the map of the terrain and win boys.

  5. @Olympia, oh I lived and did liquor promos in FL from Panama City to South Beach for more than 8 years.

    I have to laugh when I get guys asking me how are they possibly able to tell when a woman is in estrus.

    LOL

  6. Actually, if your GF insists on going to spring break somewhere with the girls, you should probably proactively dump her.

    Sad to say it, but I’ll bet more than 50+% of the time, it is the right move.

  7. I think in many cases, the most prudent approach is proactively cheating on her.

    That way if she cheats, it’s no big deal really. You expected it and didn’t give anything up, so assuming she wasn’t impregnated or infected with an STD, it’s no harm to foul. Basically, accepting that your gf is really just a plate.

    Painfully cynical, I know, but I get the feeling that most young women would prefer this shared delusion of monogamy (when it’s convenient) than either staying truly faithful or openly admitting that they don’t actually want to stay faithful.

    A large number of relationships default to this mode anyways.

  8. @Rollo
    > The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable
    > and wants a relationship first is the same girl who
    > fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in
    > Cancun on spring break just half an hour after
    > meeting him.

    Yes, so true.

    Whenever you meet a girl who uses those words Comfort and Relationship while she withholds sex from you, you know that she’s slotted you into the “Provider” category (instead of Lover, using seduction theory terminology) or in terms of your Hypergamy Theory: she’s slotting you in to be her Beta Bux chump.

    You can recover from this by shaking things up massively to become a jerk loverboy, but realistically it will never be worth the effort when it takes comparatively so much less effort to find a new girl.

  9. @Throughfare

    …but realistically it will never be worth the effort when it takes comparatively so much less effort to find a new girl.

    Serious question… when is “NEXT” the wrong move? Seems like it’s always the right move especially since it speaks to women’s natural language, action.

  10. What a coincidence! I’ve been dumped by my ex from a 8 years LTR right on the last day of November, last year. Where I live we don’t “celebrate” spring break, so I guess she picked the right time to dump me. Been Red Pill since then.

    I start reading some manosphere blogs since my break up but I must admit it was the rational male who helped me the most in shaping my beliefs. I feel that I have cured my oneitis and I think I will never suffer from it again.

    Here are some insights about my ex-LTR (nothing new):
    We are both 27 years.

    The first 6 years:
    – Me and my ex were friends, one night I banged some random chick, once she discovered she start being sexually interested in me. Some months later we started dating.
    – Being a naturally introverted guy I hated talking about me or my life, she was always pestering to share my feelings and my life with her. I tried my best to evade.
    – Once I start bang her I lost some interest in sex, I was somehow bored. Funny thing she always wanted to please me. I made her cum occasionally.
    – Sometimes I refused to go out with her because of my studies or hobbies.
    – I was very proud and rarely apologized.

    However without knowing and adding the fact that she was always complaining about lack of attention and so on I start giving her more attention.

    The last 2 years:
    – I talked more about my feelings (thank you Hollywood!!!)
    – I started wanting more sex, she started refusing sex. I even learned how to make her cum every time, she even said the sex was way better.
    – I was always available for her, she was my first priority.
    – I start apologizing for everything.
    – She joined the gym.
    – Lost my confidence and start being insecure.

    BANG! “It’s not you it’s me speech”! I was completely confused I thought I did everything right.

    What annoyed more was the fact that in the first 6 years despite everything my love for her was unconditional. I would never leave her.
    I should have know better it happened before to two friends of mine, I thought my situation was different and by showing my unconditional love everything was going to be okay.

    Rollo is damn right when he says:
    “Women are fundamentally incapable of loving a man in the way that a man expects to be loved by a woman.”

    Anyway, now I feel a lot better, I still have a lot to learn but I feel optimistic about my future. I’ll never made a woman the center of my life. Never!

    Keep the good work Rollo! Your work is trully remarkable, it helped me a lot! Thank you. I’m looking forward to read the TRM – Preventive Medicine.

  11. @Rollo

    Are you kidding? Every time you write something new that I enjoy, I’m surprised that you found something new to write on the topic, literally every time. I admit I haven’t read every one of your blog posts, but I’ve read most of the book twice and much of the blog since late 2013. I think that’s one of the things that keeps me coming back here, their seems to be no limit to where the subject will take you.

    In the sciences hit a wall at one point, a knowledge limit. You actually hit that quite early in Physics. As an undergrad I discovered that mathematics had still never solved the 3-body problem analytically. Seems simple right, you have 3 gravitational bodies, and you want to create an equation that tells you where all 3 will be at some point in the future. We have ridiculously fast computers now, can’t we do this? We can do it for 2 bodies, for an earth-moon system or an earth-sun system… But if you tried to analytically solve for the position of the earth-moon-sun system, you are stuck. There is no analytical math that can do it for you. This of course, ignores the fact that just our own solar system has probably hundreds of thousands of gravitational bodies involved.

    Contrast that with here, night and day. There’s knowledge here that is ripe for the plucking, and it seems to just keep coming.

  12. After reading that, I actually did that only a couple years ago. She was one of those rare “true christian” girls who is dead set on waiting until marriage. She was nice enough, similar interests, but she had hard limits on intimacy that were basically unacceptable. She wouldn’t even let me see her with her shirt off for Christs sake, much less be intimate in that extremely limited manner. I gave her quite a bit of leeway, let it go on far too long to be honest. Ultimately I communicated to her that either she does something that demonstrates how she feels, or we were done. I even gave her two chances at it. Both times, she hemmed, hawed, and ultimately balked. Next. The whole thing was really my own fault for letting it linger that long.

    Of course, every time she’s seen me since then, she’s all over me. Not taking the bait, unfortunately for her.

  13. @Jeremy

    This of course, ignores the fact that just our own solar system has probably hundreds of thousands of gravitational bodies involved.

    A damn near uncountable amount if you just count the individual atoms plus account for the other forces acting on them. Good luck ever calculating to that level though. 😉

    Of course, every time she’s seen me since then, she’s all over me. Not taking the bait, unfortunately for her.

    I’d tell her my time comes at a cost while giving her an obvious eye fucking, then ignore her. I’ve plated a couple of those in the past by making it pretty clear there’s sex or I’ve got no time for them. Hell if I’m being honest, my easiest scores have been the most devout Christian chicks I knew. With how supplicating modern Christian men are encouraged to be (gotta offer commitment up front to even get a whiff of her now extremely dry vag), even Blue Pill levels of DHV worked.

  14. With the honest Christian girls, I find it tough. Obviously if I find out she’s partying with the girls, then that’s horsecrap and she’s just making me wait. This girl though, had me literally believing she was still a virgin, still has for that matter. She just is not the type to have abused her beliefs. She’s given me absolutely zero indication that she has ever let herself slip on this one, and based on how often I believe she gets out, and how little female game she knows, I don’t think she has.

    So, in that situation, I find it difficult. Only because I can acknowledge that she’s attempting to maintain her value and I can only respect that. In that situation only, I will make the exception that if she’s willing to do some rather extraordinary feats of attention outside of intimacy (I’m talking about cooking many of my meals before marriage, helping maintain my abode before living there, etc..) then I will wait because she’s doing what she will allow herself to do based on her own vows to demonstrate her wife-value.

    I do question that line of thinking quite often. Providing that hard-and-non-negotiable barrier to attention to a woman does exclude the 0.1% who are actually honest virgins, and realistically I have to respect their desire to maintain their value. Of course, if they’re still doing that at 30-35, well… problem.

  15. @Jeremy

    I stopped caring about their situation and instead considered what would make me happy. Having that “good girl” who would never curse or have sex before marriage in my bedroom and moaning “FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCK” was what I wanted. If she behaved well enough, she would have kept me. She didn’t. I bailed.

    Everywhere that chick turns will be white knights and societal norms set up to help her out. She’s got a million safety nets looking out for her. I simply don’t care about her situation outside of how it affects me personally.

  16. Rollo, this girl *was* a virgin, on principle (I will argue this).

    Even though I’m arguing with you, I must acknowledge that I cannot be certain, and your words make me waver in my thinking (always have, that’s why this place is so good).

    Whether I’m right or not on her virginity… It was clear she didn’t like me enough to take action to keep me. So the principles here still hold. Any crisis I may have experienced w.r.t. her keeping me waiting was averted. I actually credit your (and M3’s) site with helping make that choice, truthfully.

    Keep in mind, I’ve spent significant time (in my youth) around girls in Christian cults (the 0.1%), so I know what an actual virgin looks and acts like.

  17. There is no arguing with Rollo’s definitions for attraction, nor his unassailable arguments towards the folly of negotiated intimacy.

    And really, I’m talking about unicorns, so this argument is actually stupid.

    But for that tiny tiny percentage of women who can actually convince me that they’re virgins on principle, I do not find it fair to give them no option but to betray their value/principles to keep me.

    Again, it’s a stupid argument, because these women are so rare.

  18. Also, it’s a stupid argument because the second half of Rollo’s argument still holds… whether she’s a party-girl who is making you wait, or a principled virgin who is making you wait… in both cases the sex won’t be worth the wait.

  19. @Jeremy

    Is it betraying their values if you fuck her, the two of you have a wonderful relationship, she turns out to be a great chick and you LTR her for the rest of your lives? Because if that’s not what happens, she wasn’t at all what you’re giving her credit for right now. She was just another bitch whose party favor was simply that she still had her virginity. She still couldn’t make herself valuable outside of being a series of holes.

    Seriously if you want to fuck her, fuck her. If she wants you to keep her, let her work her ass off at it and only reward her if she succeeds. As is, you’re putting these chicks up on a pedestal so that some other guy can have them.

    I’m more bastardly than I’ve ever been in my life these days, but I’m also more able to recognize truly valuable behavior in a woman than I’ve ever been. I’m a lot more likely to toss a chick for a fireable offense, but I’m also 1000% more likely to explicitly reward and encourage desired behaviors than I ever was in the past.

    I am becoming a quality man that any woman like that would be an idiot to pass up. It’s up to her to keep me.

  20. @Sun Wukong

    Is it betraying their values if you fuck her, the two of you have a wonderful relationship, she turns out to be a great chick and you LTR her for the rest of your lives?

    No, but there’s no convincing a religious person of that fact. This is why it’s simply better to avoid religious chicks.

    Because if that’s not what happens, she wasn’t at all what you’re giving her credit for right now. She was just another bitch whose party favor was simply that she still had her virginity. She still couldn’t make herself valuable outside of being a series of holes.

    There’s no doubt of this, which is why I don’t question my decision to NEXT her. I expressed what I needed (including intimacy)… she definitely heard me and made no effort on either side… She answered loudly and clearly. Next.

    I’m not sure she understood her answer at the time though, she was just taking action. Thanks to all I’d read around here, I knew it quite clearly. She still comes up and hugs me first off, and asks how I’ve been every time we see each other.

    I also have a lot less patience since then, and I doubt I’ll let something go that long without sex again.

  21. And yes nexting when you’re being held at arm’s length is the right move, but from the sounds of it you held yourself there to some degree. You also seem aware of that.

  22. No, but there’s no convincing a religious person of that fact. This is why it’s simply better to avoid religious chicks.

    Haha, you only think there’s no convincing them because you’re considering the intellectual route of convincing her.

    I would gladly work a religious chick over in a heartbeat. They’re easier because they’re simply not prepared for what’s in an experienced guy’s toolkit. There’s no convincing if she’s begging you to fuck her.

  23. @Sun – “Everywhere that chick turns will be white knights and societal norms set up to help her out. She’s got a million safety nets looking out for her. I simply don’t care about her situation outside of how it affects me personally.”

    ‘Xactly!

  24. “Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.”

    Right.

    And what turns young women on relies completely on a man’s physicality. I’ve been reading more from other people and there’s no way around it. If your “performance” can be disregarded simply because you have good looks, then it isn’t the “performance” which gets her in the first place. It’s your physical features. Men AND women are very similar when it comes to that hot, feral attraction we have for one another. I’m honestly surprised I don’t see this talk more often. Either way, I’ll leave you guys with a book another guy in the manosphere is in the process of writing.

    He has made it free for those to discuss and ponder it’s meanings. While the book itself has some flaws (as most ideologies do), it has some very harsh red pill truths that even Rollo won’t cover.

    I suggest you pay real close attention to “Chapter 2: The Big Lie.” An excerpt:

    “We as a society all have a vested interest in believing the Big Lie (“looks don’t matter that much to women”), even though
    that willful ignorance ultimately hurts us. Men are deathly afraid of the idea, many clinging desperately to those last vain
    hopes it isn’t true. People often mock those who dare imply such.

    The less attractive a woman finds you,
    physically, the more closely you will have to match her ideal dream mate’s personality AND meet her needs in every
    possible non-physical way, – and with less room for error! This adds up to herculean compensation requirements that
    few average-looking men can meet. Not exactly good for stable relationships, is it? The worse you look, the more you
    have to pay, yet she’s giving it up for free to guys she finds hot.”

  25. Ok, so arguing from a position of weakness is stimulating. Please indulge me some more guys.

    @Sun

    You also seem aware of that.

    Only in that I deliberately chose to not push things further forward than she was comfortable. I still pushed, she pushed back. Ultimately the pushback told me there was no chemistry, which is where my “ultimatums” (if it’s fair to call them that) came from. She liked my attention, but there was no attraction to me from her. That much is clear in retrospect.

    That said, she clearly respects me now.

    Haha, you only think there’s no convincing them because you’re considering the intellectual route of convincing her.

    No no, don’t misunderstand me. I only meant it was futile to negotiate. Religious people simply put up walls that actually are a huge wet blanket to any form of chemistry in its early stages. Perhaps I didn’t push for a close strong enough initially.

    @Rollo Tomassi

    A woman will fuck some guy. It may not be you, it may not be me, but some she will fuck some guy

    Absolutely unassailable. It wasn’t going to be me because I wasn’t going to negotiate it. Now, speaking to both Sun & Rollo, it’s perhaps fair to say that I fucked up and lost frame early, and perhaps I was just out of my element to hold frame with a religious girl, but I wasn’t going to just continue being a simp.

  26. @Contrarian,

    “This adds up to herculean compensation requirements that
    few average-looking men can meet. Not exactly good for stable relationships, is it? The worse you look, the more you
    have to pay, yet she’s giving it up for free to guys she finds hot.”

    Rubbish. You can be an average looker, but still have herculean compensation. I do not accept the premise that looks are everything. Sure I’d like to be 6 inches taller and more beautiful, but not at the expense of being a douche-bag.

    Game, skills and added value can enhance ones herculean skills. Or you can just lay down until the feeling to make yourself better at being a man passes.

    I call B.S. on your premise and I’m not so sure about the link you provided.

  27. @Jeremy

    I wasn’t going to just continue being a simp.

    For where you found yourself in the end, this was absolutely correct reasoning so please don’t think at all that I’m criticizing your end decision. However, your attitude going in to it is the entire reason you found yourself there.

    I still pushed, she pushed back.

    The line between true LMR and just another little shit test is a fine one. Almost every time though, this is a shit test. I’ve pushed through it and had girls that were one minute telling me “No” the next minute say “Take me to your room and fuck me”

    Make her wet, pull back instantly when you get her really going, and make her realize it’s going to suck to lose you right then and there. Sometimes that works as she’s pissed she didn’t get enough and realizes it. Other times it’s just a matter of overwhelming her senses by pressing in other ways without pause. Yes, sometimes you’ll be firmly told “No” until the end. Immediate cold shoulder and next on your part.

    I only meant it was futile to negotiate.

    It is, but if you’re doing it right you won’t have to.

    Perhaps I didn’t push for a close strong enough initially.

    Highly likely, but it all comes down to your attitude going in: don’t respect their beliefs. You have beliefs too. They are equally valid. You’re setting your frame as the dominant frame, right? Sounds like your beliefs are part of what should define the frame then.

  28. I respect her rights as required by law. I in no way respect her beliefs; that’s not required by law.

  29. Jeremy,
    It seems you were well within reason to next the girl. I would observe reservations that Rollo and Sun might have involve Game not being a binary decision. Religious virgin=no sex. Vs. She is going to fuck some guy when the time is right.

  30. @Sun

    Highly likely, but it all comes down to your attitude going in: don’t respect their beliefs. You have beliefs too. They are equally valid. You’re setting your frame as the dominant frame, right? Sounds like your beliefs are part of what should define the frame then.

    Having said this, and agreeing with you. Consider the fact that we both know that a woman with low-N is more valuable than one with high-N. Consider that I absolutely believe that I as a man should be allowed to protect my own value to women. Am I not then a hypocrite for having little else but a demand that a woman compromise some of her permanent value simply to keep me around?

    I expect to be shouted down, or linked into RM into oblivion in response to that one. Also consider, that I have no valid direct argument against anything you and Rollo have said in this thread.

  31. @Jeremy

    Am I not then a hypocrite for having little else but a demand that a woman compromise some of her permanent value simply to keep me around?

    A woman trades sex for commitment.

    A big part of the shift from Blue to Red Pill centers around recognizing that there is a difference between a guy with high-N and a chick with high-N. A guy gets a high-N by being high value in some way. Women acknowledge this through behaviors such as pre-selection and recognizing social proof. A woman gets a high-N by spreading her legs and saying “Yes”. She devalues the only thing she has to negotiate for a man’s commitment by doing so.

    The analog for a man is not sleeping around; it is to devalue his commitment by committing too readily to every chick that comes along, i.e. by being an orbiter.

    Calling it “hypocrisy” is a fem-centric view of it wherein women project their bargaining chip (their sexuality) on to men. It just ain’t the reality of the situation in any way form or fashion. It’s simply a card played by women so that their sexual strategy will trump men’s sexual strategy.

  32. You can’t unlearn what TRP teaches you.

    Years ago all I wanted was a girlfriend who loved me. I had tons of other interests but that was above everything else and I felt like I needed it as a foundation in my life.

    Now I’m happy that I DON’T have a girlfriend. The more I read here the more it feels like I don’t even know what that word means. Commitment? I’m sorry, I don’t know anything about that.

    I literally can’t imagine having a girlfriend or being in a committed relationship anymore. Getting laid? Sure. But a relationship? At this point it feels like those only exist on distant planets in another galaxy or something.

    The deeper TRP sinks into my bones the more at peace I feel too. I vaguely remember how horrible it was to have ONE-itis. The details feel faint but I know that it was a virtual hell.

    My uncle said something at Thanksgiving a long time ago. Some advice an insurance guy gave him:

    If it flies, floats, or fucks, rent it.

  33. Or to explain it as Patrice O’Neal so hilariously did, you devalue yourself by being a “Time Ho”.

  34. @Sun Wukong

    A woman trades sex for commitment.

    The analog for a man is not sleeping around; it is to devalue his commitment by committing too readily to every chick that comes along, i.e. by being an orbiter.

    Yes, but isn’t there a crucial difference? I *WAS* a beta orbiter in the past, and now I don’t think there’s a cash prize in existence that would put me back in that situation. I improved my value through knowledge and practice. A woman with high-N cannot magically become low-N. Her value is permanently altered with sleeping around (perhaps not catastrophically, but you know what I mean).

    Calling it “hypocrisy” is a fem-centric view of it wherein women project their bargaining chip (their sexuality) on to men. It just ain’t the reality of the situation in any way form or fashion. It’s simply a card played by women so that their sexual strategy will trump men’s sexual strategy.

    I don’t think it’s fem-centric, I think it’s rational. But I’m willing to listen to why you think it is so.

    Women protect their value by retaining their ability to emotionally bond with a man. i.e., by being damn good discriminators as to who they want to be with.

    Men protect their value by learning game and not financially burdening themselves (lots of social skills and proof, no debt, no alimony, no child support, high paying job, etc…).

    They are two very different strategies and I think we agree on that point. The fact remains, if I’m spinning plates, I’m essentially demanding permanently N-increasing sex in exchange for, well, a spot in a group of plates. Now, based on the current western social behavior, there’s nothing terribly wrong with this because women are just giving it up like crazy (their bodies, their choice, eh?).

    However, if I were to be honest with myself, both sexes should have the opportunity to protect their own value in the SMP. That means I should allow for women who don’t want to simply spread their legs so easily, but do want a man for an LTR.

    Again, your words above about putting women on pedestals, I get that, I hear you, I see what you are saying and why you are telling me that. Trust me I’m not deliberately putting them there, I’m following the rationale as I see it.

  35. @Jeremy

    I don’t think it’s fem-centric, I think it’s rational. But I’m willing to listen to why you think it is so.

    Calling it “hypocrisy” is an attempt at shaming men for criticizing her high-N that is factually detrimental to her ability to bond. Men criticizing her are in fact looking out for their own good; it behooves her for those men to not do so as it works out in her favor (and often to their detriment) when she finally requires provisioning.

    Both sides are acting on a selfish strategy, but hers is currently the dominant narrative in society used to shame men in to compliance for the BB side of their strategy. Notice it’s only Betas complaining about women behaving this way; Alphas don’t give a fuck because they don’t have an intention of committing or could easily keep commitment through natural behavior if they wanted to.

    However, if I were to be honest with myself, both sexes should have the opportunity to protect their own value in the SMP. That means I should allow for women who don’t want to simply spread their legs so easily, but do want a man for an LTR.

    Women do have the opportunity to protect their value in the SMP by making themselves valuable in the MMP before age and high-N rob them of their SMV. If they opt to squander all their SMV by not displaying high MMV early on to men that are reasonable choices for LTR then that’s their problem, not mine.

    I don’t spin plates with the explicit goal of dodging an LTR, but I don’t spin them with the explicit purpose of looking for an LTR either. If a woman wants to retain me AND not squander her SMV, she’ll make herself so valuable to me that I should keep her. If I happen to notice a young plate who consistently demonstrates long term value traits, then I might commit to her as a reward.

    She has to engage in behavior worthy of reward though; most women do not do so. The subsequent drop in SMP when I choose to leave is their own responsibility. They either reached too high (i.e. my SMV was so much higher that I never had any intent of committing) because of over-inflated self evaluation, or demonstrated no qualities worthy of commitment.

  36. Also, they’re never looking out for your interests if they’re turning you down or denying you sex. Why should you look out for theirs?

  37. @Sun Wukong

    Calling it “hypocrisy” is an attempt at shaming men for criticizing her high-N that is factually detrimental to her ability to bond.

    No. The hypocrisy I’m speaking of is not in the professed meaninglessness of high-N vs reality, the hypocrisy is in demanding (no compromise) sex as the only bargaining chip for continued male attention. I would *never* shame men or accept the shaming of men for plate spinning, because frankly what the women are doing is far worse. What I’m discussing is simpler.

    If a woman wants to retain me AND not squander her SMV, she’ll make herself so valuable to me that I should keep her. If I happen to notice a young plate who consistently demonstrates long term value traits, then I might commit to her as a reward.

    She has to engage in behavior worthy of reward though; most women do not do so. The subsequent drop in SMP when I choose to leave is their own responsibility. They either reached too high (i.e. my SMV was so much higher that I never had any intent of committing) because of over-inflated self evaluation, or demonstrated no qualities worthy of commitment.

    This furthers the discussion.

    What you sound to me like you’re saying is that…
    Attraction comes first. Sex comes from genuine attraction, hence it comes early if at all. The woman in this case *must* be making all her discrimination within this period of time.

  38. @Jeremy

    I discuss hypocrisy from that perspective because that is the perspective that makes it the default position we instinctively reach for. As for it being hypocrisy to demand sex for male attention: no, it isn’t. The entire process of “dating” or “spinning plates” or whatever you want to call it is doing shit you would do with a friend… but with sex or sexual overtones thrown in. Sex (or the promise of it) is the entire reason you’re engaged in the entire dance.

    It’s not hypocrisy when it’s the entire reason you’re bothering with her to begin with, you dig? Being aroused by a woman and wanting something that’s not just a friendship is purely about the sexual attraction you feel toward her. How is it hypocrisy to insist on getting what you’re after to justify staying around? I can’t see how it is at all.

    Sex comes from genuine attraction, hence it comes early if at all.

    Not necessarily what I was getting at, but that’s definitely a component of it yes. In your case, you entered giving off the “I won’t insist on sex” vibe, she picked up on that, and responded “then I won’t give it to you”. If you want her to feel that way about you, you have to let her know you feel that way about her early on. Kino, sexual flirting, extended moments of eye contact with silence, and emphasizing my physical size over hers all contribute to building tension with that purpose.

    As Rollo says, sexual tension is not comfortable by definition. By respecting their desire to wait for marriage, you are trying to make them comfortable. That removes sexual tension from the get-go. She’s used to guys doing that. Tons of guys do that. Don’t be that guy and she’ll “know” you’re “the one”.

    The woman in this case *must* be making all her discrimination within this period of time.

    This came across as ambiguous. You could mean when you first meet her or when she’s young and around her peak SMV by this statement. Mind clarifying for me?

  39. That graph is fantastic. For all the flak that Facebook gets, it has become a very useful tool for measuring things. You can get a good glimpse of a woman’s life by adding her to your Facebook. You can see how much of an attention whore she is, how many male orbiters she has, how much partying she does, etc. I have a post for SoSuave somewhat in the works that covers a woman’s male interests and their longevity based on her Facebook searches. It’s amazing when you’ve got data to back up theories.

  40. You know what Sun… I feel like I’m going in circles here. I don’t mean in this specific discussion. You’ve been polite and worth talking to. I mean that I believe I’ve had this same conversation here on RM before, with the same path trod by myself at least.

    I’m guessing it’s past time I actually spend more time away from the keyboard than at it when it comes to this subject.

  41. @Desdinova Superstar
    April 21st, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    “That graph is fantastic.”

    OK. That is also a graph of my married man sex life with the peaks being not getting it and the flat planes getting it depending on my game. Overall I rank everything good as it is.

    This spring break was a challenge, but good thing is it should be easy sailing into the December Challenge.

  42. @Jeremy

    No prob man. The best advice I think you can use simple: be selfish. Keep your goals in mind the whole time. Be utterly unconcerned with what a woman gets out of you beyond what you absolutely must give to get what you want. Like any good salesman, remember that whatever price the customer will pay you, no matter how bad a deal it seems to be for them, is the fair price.

    That and so long as I’ve not taken it seriously, experimenting with the practical implications of this stuff has actually been kind of fun. Think you’ll find it the same.

  43. Two things I wonder are the frequency of getting back together with someone as summer approaches among those spring break-breakups.
    And, the frequency of finding out what went on back during spring break among those winter holiday break-breakups.
    It really shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone that the highest breakup levels came around the time of the longest periods where a boyfriend and girlfriend wouldn’t be around each other.
    Summer time is about local hangouts and working. Burger joints, swimming pools, driving main thoroughfares. Need a boyfriend to pay for food, gas, and not be the girl without the boyfriend.

  44. And everybody should watch or listen to all those Patrice O’Neal videos on youtube.

  45. Is anyone else as simply disgusted and turned off by these girls as me? Not just these ones in particular in this vid but the whole Miley Cyrus, Spring Break, Girls Gone Wild, Bend over and show me butthole to 500 people, twerker, the half-yelling ’empowered’ voices, ‘have 20 complete strangers take a shot of Jager after it dribbles through my crotch’ type of party girl which seems to be a high percentage of modern girls. They’re just gross, game or not, I’m not even talking about that. The total loss of femininity is a massive turnoff, even if you can swoop in like Christian McQueen and score some of these idiots, who cares? They’re pigs inside female physiques. Asia for life. There is absolutely no grace at all to these pigs.

  46. Ha ha. Just reread the “Men are pigs” quote at the top, saw how I used it twice. So who’s projecting then?

  47. But hey Rollo! After reading your work, I come to the conclusion–post after post and an interaction with a woman after an interaction that–if that’s how it is, then let’s just accept that and develop ourselves to take advantage of it. How else you wanna win this game?

  48. Learning game so you can stick your dick in those pieces of shit?

    Game = trying to live with a rabid animal instead of killing it.

    Nobody wins.

  49. Signor… I couldn’t agree more. These girls are absolutely repulsive war pigs. There is nothing sexy or feminine about them at all. Honest to God, the very first sense I had watching this was olfactory – a combination of smells…rancid butter and the grease trap in the garbage area behind a Taco Bell.

  50. Yesterday I heard a Tom Leykis show at YT from around 2003 “Spring break”. Some though stuff.

  51. So Rollo,
    How do you reconcile this post with the previous one where you imply that we have no choice but to practice game and marry them anyway, since men take all the risks?

    I still don’t see the logic behind that.

    We have to practice game to snag a woman 2 points below our SMV who loves us opportunistically for our assets and everything we can provide for her and then keep performing so she can love us and not divorce us while taking away all we have worked so hard to build?

  52. @Jeremy – Very interesting commentary. It’s great to see men be so vulnerable here, “arguing from weakness” and “furthering the discussion” with real, productive argument. A few thoughts:

    1. They are all like that. There are no unicorns – remember, unicorns are a legend. There are just women who haven’t been gamed properly yet or been in the right context/environment to let their hypergamous nature run free for a while. Period. I’ve been around too long to believe any differently.

    2. Virginity – So she should be blowing you and dancing for you when you whack off and maybe even taking it up the ass, right? Lol, of course she isn’t. If a woman is doing this for me, I’ll gladly wait for the vaj…But if not, next. Men’s primary interest in women is sexual and the Red Pill has let me embrace that without shame. The entire “preserve my virginity’ deal is about shaming your sexuality and establishing her as having more virtue. It’s as Blue Pill as it gets. And many a woman who has “waited” become full bore sluts in short order after giving it up so even when you get the “prize” there is no guarantee she won’t cheat on you. Not in today’s world. So what is the point of playing this game for you?

    3. She’s very likely lying. Look at all the studies on how women report their sexual experiences. Only when they feel they are truly anonymous and their comments won’t ever be attributed to them do they begin to tell the truth about their sexual experiences, with Ns double of what they initially would say and leaving out many non-fucking sexual encounter. When the stakes are high, a woman will almost always lie about their N. And many will simply not count the guys they blew while drunk in university etc. A hot woman in the U.S. today has almost zero chance of surviving to 20 without having sex.

    4. Don’t get mad – do you know how to turn her on and get her wet? Coconut oil (edible) full body massages are my standard move and it’s simply never failed. Usually within 10 minutes they are soaking wet and raring to go. I also find “good girl” types like to hear me talk about sex with other women. I drove my spinner wild with tales of how I broke other women into ass sex while massaging her. Hint for all guys: Learn how to give a decent massage. Get some coconut oil, set the mood with music, low lights, a candle, smoke a joint or a glass of wine. Boom. Virgin, smirgin. Her unwillingness to give it up is in direct relationship to her level of attraction to you. Period. If she’s not fucking you it’s because she’s not attracted enough to you.

    Now don’t get confused guys, of course, during the initial courtship phase one needs to escalate thoughtfully. That’s not Jeremy’s situation – he’s being played and doesn’t really see it completely. It’s interesting to see how he’s partially aware of this but still can’t stop, isn’t it? We all have this within us so I’m not judging or looking down.

    Put more simply, her virginal pose is designed to vassalize you and pedestalize her. Ergo, you have Oneitis. Cure? Spin plates, sink your cock balls deep into another hottie and suddenly the notion of putting up with all this bullshit from her will be in proper perspective. Do it right and you’ll give her major dread. If she’s actually into you, she’ll then show up in lingerie and give you a strip tease before screwing your brains out. But where you are now? She’s in charge and you are submissive. There is no better way to dry a woman’s vaj up than that.

    And after all, what is your objective? The FI defined illusion of romantic love which we KNOW doesn’t serve men well at all individually or collectively? She’s just a woman, and she’s replaceable. Spinning plates makes that painfully clear. For a high value man, women are a dime a dozen. It’s you who chooses and tell me, please, why would you choose a woman who doesn’t want to fuck? What, do you get off from buying her dinner?

  53. Actually, if your GF insists on going to spring break somewhere with the girls, you should probably proactively dump her.

    Sad to say it, but I’ll bet more than 50+% of the time, it is the right move.

    No. It is the right thing to do 100% of the time. YOU should be her priority, especially at spring break, Christmas break, any time off like that. The responsibilities of school and or work are demanding and time consuming. Time off like that is opportunity to enjoy each other and strengthen the relationship. If she wants to “go party with her girlfriends” rather than be with you during such times, then she is prioritizing fucking around on you or at the very least considering it. You benefit from a relationship with her ONLY if she prioritizes YOU…ESPECIALLY DURING SUCH TIMES.

    If she wants to play those kind of games, OR EVEN MENTIONES IT, she is not worth your time and consideration. She doesn’t respect you because she knows bringing it up will concern and disrespect you and the relationship. This is self evident blatent elementary common sense. So, unless you enjoy being a cuckold. …IMMEDIATLY DITCH THE BITCH!! and do not look back.

  54. @Not Born this Morning – Well said. As I’ve digested the Red Pill and observed the change in behavior in young women in particular, it’s become clearer in me that women haven’t “changed”. The only thing that has changed is the social context in which they live.

    Get it – this is who women are. At their peak SMV the temptation today to enjoy the cock carousel has no constraints or resistance to it anymore and this is what women sought. Why do we have campaigns against “slut shaming”? In order to make this okay. “You go gurl!” From Sandberg on down.

    Consider just one example on this site. @Dragonfly is by all accounts a good Christian woman who accepts the Red Pill gladly and wants men to be men and women to serve their men etc. She seems very nice and earnest and I’m sure if any of us met her in the world we’d find her a nice, attractive interesting person.

    But then that article came out about that woman who decided not to wear yoga pants out in public anymore because of how revealing they are and how this excites sexual attraction in men that she doesn’t want that reaction from. I found this incredibly self-aware and respectful of her. And all guys know that yoga pants are a turn-on (although more and more fatties are wearing them too, vomitatious). And get that most women now don’t even bother to wear long shirts that cover their asses anymore, no in fact the entire outfit is designed to draw attention to their asses. Ask the CEO of Lulemon – he designed the pants to maximize the attractiveness of a woman’s ass. Period. And women will pay 80-100 buz a pop for flimsy, almost see through material that makes their ass look great, no problem.

    Suddenly, @Dragonfly objects. It turns out she goes out of the house in Yoga pants quite frequently. Clearly, this is about being sexually attractive but she claims “she does it for herself” – oh really? Does she check her ass in the mirror before she walks to the kitchen to get coffee when she’s home alone and not going out? Suddenly, this cool Red Pill chick won’t give up her privilege of prancing about and being an object of sexual attraction while she still can. She simply will not admit that she’s exciting sexual attraction by doing so either.

    I’m not trying to start an argument with @Dragonfly – like I said, we’d all admit that she’s trying and well intentioned and supportive of us. Still, she cannot see how her hypergamous nature will not allow her to admit what she’s doing when she dresses suggestively, nor will she stop. She enjoys being the object of attraction way too much for that. Of course she does – it’s tremendous social status and power with men and women (due to her status with men), and there is no social price for doing so. In fact, women are now dressing their young daughters this way, I can see the coaching from them “do you have any idea what a good ass is worth as social currency in our society?” And she doesn’t understand that I’m not kidding – I very likely married my first wife in some part due to her fine ass. It was a work of art and I was like a moth to flame.

    I think I know what Dragonfly doesn’t get. No women understands how strong the sex drive is in men. The FI has promoted this equalist agenda the makes women believe they know how men experience sexual attraction. Nope – Dragonfly, men walk around in a different world sexually than you do. We get aroused quite frequently by women who dress suggestively – hell, just a certain look or glance or pose, and boom, my motor is running. And our drive is quite intense. I don’t get mad about it and actually try to enjoy the visual feast that is a walk around my nearby college town. But it’s also frustrating as it’s like being teased all the time too.

    Yet Dragonfly and women suppose that their experience of sexual stimulation is like what it is for men and then tell me to shut up when we explain how they are exciting arousal. I still have threads going from that woman’s blog who stopped wearing Yoga pants, months and months later. The inane arguments women come up with to defend their privilege to excite sexual attraction in public have no end. And get this – I’m not even asking for anyone to stop, I’m just asking for women to be responsible for their behavior and its consequences in public. But they don’t want to do that and in today’s FI informed society they don’t have to.

    Acting out at spring break and proudly bragging about cheating and “having fun”, they do it because they can. Same thing with the yoga pants, just on a different scale.

    The only logical reaction for men is to fuck as many of them as possible, of course and to never make himself vulnerable financially or otherwise to any of them.

  55. @Chester

    We have to practice game to snag a woman 2 points below our SMV

    You don’t have to really practice Game for that. Just give up your pride and get on OKStupid or Plenty of Whales and you’ll get them.

  56. @Thoroughbred,

    Don’t forget a hint of Valtrex wafting through the air. I’m starting to think that a large part of the fascination for female bodies has to do with them staying covered up most of the time. Only Brazilians can pull off the ‘excess exposure–still achingly hot’ thing. When Anglos try to pull it off, they f’ it up somehow. I’m so anti-Anglo these days that I wonder if I should get my T-levels checked. I mean, I am straight up feeling nothing for Anglo women anymore. Honest to God, they make me sick.

  57. @Signor

    Asia for life. There is absolutely no grace at all to these pigs.

    AWALT. Asian chicks just whore with a different language/accent.

  58. The Managing Expectations post

    Where somebody says in the comments, “you will never get what you put in” and you answer “will you still do it?”

    You cannot possibly have forgotten that.

    Why would anybody do that? And by “that” I mean getting married anyway. In the light of this post conclusion, I reiterate my question. It makes no sense to use the excuse that men will always be the risk takers in life to tell them to get married anyways in the light of all this.

    What is the logic behind that?

    @ Sun Wukong if “OKStupid” and whatever other dating site is your thing, well good luck

  59. @ Signor Farfalla (love the name, btw) – I’m not grossed out at all by how these girls are behaving. In fact, the only thoughts that go through my mind are these:

    1. I wish I was 26 and knew what I know now. I would be plowing through many of these hotties, either pumping and dumping or plating. I would specifically go to these events with a real strategy and game for that setting and then run wild.

    2. How many of them can I fuck at 52? Some might call this a “stretch goal” and indeed it is. But fucking a 19 yr old is simply like nothing else in this world – even if some of them are not particularly dirty or inventive yet. There is just something about nubility that I crave like a heroine addict feels about his next hit.

    So I look close to 40 and have resumed working on my physique, again – yes I’m back at the gym. Sigh, I wish I hadn’t taken 3 months off. I’m doing a top to bottom “babe lairizing” of my place – meaning that I’m proud to have someone here and it reflects my style/my aesthetic/my frame and my life. And I laugh at the guys who say there is something cheap about doing this with an eye towards getting poon – I’m well capable of having multiple motivations. I also do this as I become more self-centered and focused again, whereas for the past 3 months I’ve been “outside myself”. You see, I want pussy – I don’t care what anyone thinks of that. And I’m willing to do what it takes to get it. But it’s not the center of my identity or life either.

    I’ve also realized that I’m in a bit of an existential crisis that I won’t go into here unless any of you guys tell me you’d like me to go into it. Suffice it to say, that the last time I made a lifeplan was 16 years ago and today I’m just winging it with a sort of plan that I pay attention to sometimes. That was never how I accomplished results in my life – for me, having goals and path towards those goals that I enjoyed being on gave me the entire context of my life and my identity. It’s an American thing in particular, this kind of endless striving and it’s who I am.

    Put yet another way, what’s really happened is this. I fell short of those goals I set 16 years ago and was hopeless and cynical, and very angry with myself. Like I’ve said on these very pages – and nowhere else – I’ve felt beaten and overwhelmed and have been unable to rally.

    That shit is over. I’m in great health (aside from the CPTSD which I manage well enough), I’m smart, I have skills and interests and lots of stuff to build on. Also, when I get really honest with myself, I’m also discouraged that my plans to make serious money over the past 3-4 years has not panned out, and to say I’m “behind” wrt retirement would be an understatement. I lost most of what I had in the past 8 years and am close to starting over financially. My panic over this has been growing and also my shame.

    Fuck that shit too. I can make 500k or more a year doing what I do – and I have no debt and cut my cost of living by 80% since 2008 (not paying for a daughter and not living in NYC are how I did that). I’m in a great position to be successful. But because I haven’t had the clarity, and because I’ve been wallowing in negativity and self-loathing and anger I haven’t seen clearly my own agency and the possibilities. Now I do, and now I’m making a real plan and commitment to get what I want, for my purposes.

    Back to work – I have lots to get done.

    @Sun Special thanks to you for expecting more of me and encouraging me to be more with your own relentless hammering on being selfish and developing my own social value. As a last aside, I’ve noticed that DHV is helpful in many settings – business, family, friends so the idea that I build a life that I’m proud of and increase my value intentionally solely to please some gash is silly. A high value man has the world by the balls, if he uses it wisely.

  60. @Chester

    @ Sun Wukong if “OKStupid” and whatever other dating site is your thing, well good luck

    Are you missing my point because you’re pissy, or because you’re dense?

  61. I gave my ex $500 for contraception stuff. She broke up with me and didn’t feel liable in the least.
    That frustrated me, but I’m actually not angry at her person: I know she’s a “good person” and I saw that she literally didn’t feel liable. I draw the conclusion that I did not really understood girls ways (or maybe more broadly, people) and learned a lot from it.

    Although I find the redpill.Reddit content repelling (it’s just angry man sharing their evidence for the general theory, which may be interesting wouldn’t it be formulated in hatred/victory stories), form reading your blog now I can thank you for making me aware that a) it’s saver to not put birth control at the mercy of the girl and b) with literally just giving her all the cash she asked for, I may actually have weakened our relationship.
    Certainly if it were to be a relationship alla Rollo, which I’ll experiment with now.

    What I like about what you write is that there’s a red line (e.g. the Hypergamy theme) and so it reads like an academic theory. The more you write arguments and analysis in paper form, the more I’m personally likely to read it.
    I have one dissonance, though. Why is the undertone of the manosphere mostly frustrated? Should the realization and study of how social interactions are in to exploit Beta men mostly be an advantage for those who can see it? To me, as an attractive male at 30, I read your stuff to reflect and improve on my behavior. Why is women’s behavior judged in the negative sense so much, it’s like judging a wild animal to be killing a deer. Of course, this is from the perspective of someone who isn’t a save-the-world kind of guy – anyone who wants to improve situation of men in general doesn’t have to argue against me here, because I just don’t share that concern.

  62. @Chester,

    So, plan accordingly, respond appropriately and never forget…

    Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.

    Knowing is half the battle. What you choose to do with that knowledge is up to you.

  63. @glenn

    “I’m in a bit of an existential crisis that I won’t go into here unless any of you guys tell me you’d like me to go into it”

    I would like to hear about it

    I update the life plan about once a year, usually while on a beach

    I’ve found women, wonderful mercenaries that they are, tend to be quite concerned with inheritance. If you posted on FB or the like that when you die you are giving your millions to then your daughter would miraculously reconnect.

  64. How can anyone “cheat” on a boyfriend in the first place? A husband/wife with whom you’ve specifically taken monogamous vows, sure. But someone you’re just “dating” with no such vows in place? Not possible.

  65. “Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.”

    This is what gets me about the single baby mamas who snag a child-free beta provider to play father-figure to their kids by other men. They didn’t hold those men to any standards but they expect their beta providers to act like saints.

  66. @bnon,

    Why is the undertone of the manosphere mostly frustrated?

    Because your interpretation of what you believe is frustration, anger or bitterness is rooted in what your Blue Pill conditioning has taught you men should want and expect from women. The problem most men initially have with Red Pill awareness is that their only context (up to that point) they have to interpret that truth is their Blue Pill perception of it. From a Blue Pill perspective in which men are taught to respect women by default, to take them at their word (regardless of behavior) and to treat them as functional equals to men, yes, it seems very negative because that truth is an affront to what should be “correct”.

    Any truth that’s unflattering to the feminine will always seem negative because the of revealing it, discussing it and sorting it out runs counter to men’s subconscious want to appease the feminine. The Beta, Blue Pill default is to identify with the feminine in order to become intimate with a woman. It’s counterintuitive (not to mention counterproductive) to look with even a marginally critical eye into the ugly truths about female nature, much less attempt to sort out the reasons for the behavior that nature prompts in women.

    Short version: Revealing Red Pill truths will always be negative in a Blue Pill context.

  67. Johnny Bits, “I think in many cases, the most prudent approach is proactively cheating on her.

    That way if she cheats, it’s no big deal really.”

    – Isn’t this just called “dating”?

    “Painfully cynical, I know, but I get the feeling that most young women would prefer this shared delusion of monogamy”

    – Since when did dating get mixed up with marriage (monogamy)?

  68. Walking this fine line of not waiting too long for sex has been happening more for me lately. Its a definite game, Ive banged some goodie girls on the first date and Ive scared others off by coming on strong. Got one tonight, should be able to seal the deal. I think the max Im putting up with is five dates before I ditch these type of chicks. Im spinning plates and fucking other girls, she seems to pick up on it. This dread stuff works when applied properly. Lets hope it is actually worth the wait lol

  69. Rollo, I really appreciate how thoroughly you’ve thought out all this stuff. May I ask what first alighted you to all these truths? Its something most people, in this culture anyway, just don’t think about. Even when we see patterns, we’re unable to connect the dots. Even when someone connects the dots for us, we are resistant to facing the facts. I think its because we want to see the genuine good in humanity and not see the flaws. We are eternal optimists.

    You know, I really don’t have a problem if some good guy falls in love with a single baby mama and wants to wife her up and care for her children. There might even be nobility in that. After all, all kids need and deserve a good, loving father. But why these women are not eternally grateful to these men is what I don’t understand.

    If there was ever a “social contract” its that women who played by the rules got men who played by the rules and women who didn’t, got men who didn’t – or got nobody at all. Today’s women seem oblivious to this and act as if women who made the choices they did throughout history always got a good guy in the end. That’s not my understanding. Maybe I’m wrong? Maybe history is full of women doing all manner of dysfunctional things and getting rewarded in the end by a good guy? Obtaining the same status in society as a good girl who played by the rules?

    Is that how it is? Are all women deserving of a good guy and a respectable position in society just by virtue of having life-giving wombs?

  70. “Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions.” (lol and very true)

    What’s your problem…

    Yet another excellent post, one I hadn’t read yet. You seem to have pretty good “balance”. I have mostly been ridged with women. Some people claim I’m “chauvinistic”. I do lean that way. so far it has worked for me overall but perhaps not optimally.

    Thanks again for your work.

  71. @Yale Grad

    What are “the rules”? Where do “the rules” come from? Who made “the rules”?

    What is morality other than an unreal conceptualized very malleable and fluid ideal employed psychologically as a pawn in the game of human social dynamics?

  72. Rollo –

    “Revealing Red Pill truths will always be negative in a Blue Pill context”

    You seem to want to lead others to the positive of red pill truth and the context in which it is positive.

  73. @Glenn,

    I agree with you completely except…. “No women understands how strong the sex drive is in men”.

    Your statement implies they would behave differently if they understood.

    I think they DO understand and that understanding provides them opportunity. They are more interested in their opportunity than consideration for any man’s emotions. They do not respect a mans emotions, they respect a mans power and vitality.

  74. What do you think about his explanation of the female archetypes? He says the “good girl” is the equivalent of the AFC, average frustrated chump.

  75. From Rollo’s “What’s Your Problem” blog;

    “My problem is counseling a guy who thought the best way to separate himself from “other guys” was to be ‘chivalrous’ and date a single mommy with 3 children from 2 different fathers, only to knock her up for a fourth kid and marry her because “it was the right thing to do.”

    – Are you in my real life social circle? Because that is a common scenario out here, and I’m in suburbia, not a ghetto.

    “And my biggest problem is seeing 14 y.o. AFC symps all ready to sacrifice themselves wholesale to this pitiful, mass-media fueled, pop-culture endorsed, idealized and feminized notion of romantic/soulmate mythology, all because some other AFCs trapped in the same quicksand they are, are affirming and co-enabling each other to further their own sinking and spred this disease to other AFCs. It’s infectious, and complacency, like misery, loves company. My fear is that I’m only one Man, and I can’t possibly be enough to kick these guys in the ass like their AFC fathers were unable or unwilling to do.”

    – See that’s my problem with child-free beta providers wifing up baby mamas. Little boys are growing up with these guys as fathers (replacements for their player dads that merely provided sperm) and they are thinking what they did is “normal”. That means 10 and 20 years from now the population will consist solely of men who do this and women who expect men to do this.

  76. @Glenn…

    “Hint for all guys: Learn how to give a decent massage. Get some coconut oil, set the mood with music, low lights, a candle, smoke a joint or a glass of wine. Boom. Virgin, smirgin. Her unwillingness to give it up is in direct relationship to her level of attraction to you. Period. If she’s not fucking you it’s because she’s not attracted enough to you.”

    I’m ambivalent on this one. Smoking a joint? Yes! The sex is fucking out of this world with a little THC in the system. The danger is that it easily becomes a crutch — for her… So watch that carefully.

    I just don’t know on the whole massage thing though. That used to be the precursor to every fuck session with the wife, and to me it felt like way too much work. Perfunctory and superficial — another hoop I had to jump through for access to the vaj. In other words, I wasn’t triggering that true animal desire, it was negotiated — dependent on me being a supplicating beta to trigger her it… As bad as foot rubs IMHO. I get where you’re coming from, and maybe in some limited circumstances it makes sense (there is something viscerally exciting about a woman who is truly climbing the walls to fuck and maybe a good massage can bring that out occasionally), but for me, it smacks too much of duty sex (“check the boxes” 1) massage 2) oral 3) she cums 4) PIV 5) I cum 6) Roll over and go to sleep — and Goddamn that was a miserable, cringeworthy period that I don’t ever want to revisit.

    I’ve stopped with the massage bit altogether… She bitches about it occasionally, so maybe I’m overshooting on the Alpha and need to up the comfort, but man… bad memories.

  77. “That means 10 and 20 years from now the population will consist solely of men who do this and women who expect men to do this.”

    Maybe not because the boys are being raised by their beta cuckold step fathers (without alpha influence) and the FI which will theoretically raise them as beta, rendering yet more beta males 10 to 20 years from now. In this way and others pop culture society is attempting to coddle and preserve the weak and lazy while attempting to marginalize or exterminate the strong.

  78. “But then that article came out about that woman who decided not to wear yoga pants out in public anymore because of how revealing they are ”

    They’re no more revealing than jeans.

    “When I coached, I would always rely heavily on what I called “Girlfriend Season” it IS very real. As real as New Moon debauchery. ”

    How does that differ from Full Moon debauchery?

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