The Future Shock

When something big in the news goes down I’ve learned from experience not to be too quick to write anything about it until the hype dies down and more information comes out. My long-time readers know what I’m talking about. In the early days of this blog I could get caught up in a story about how a guy got Zeroed Out and committed suicide or killed his family and himself, and people would run me up the flagpole for jumping to conclusions. That those conclusions were, in fact, accurate was irrelevant to critics. It was all about ‘hasty generalizations‘ and confirmation biases at the time of writing.

This new Corona Virus pandemic is something different though. There are a lot of people very eager to jump to those hasty generalizations in this global crisis – and pointing out their panic only makes them feel more justified in panicking. At the time of this writing we’re seeing a globalized response to a globalized virus. For all or our new order information, technology, access and connectivity the same old order human nature remain the same. Odd that the people who’ve criticized me for being too mechanistic about our evolved nature are the same people who are in a righteous panic caused by the nature I’ve been told we’re supposed to be evolved above now.

But today, instead of a localized panic, we get a global panic. Instead of localized disinformation, we have globalized disinformation.

“In the social media age, people have forgotten that it’s not remotely normal to be able to see hundreds of millions of people’s opinions & actions, let alone engage with them.

We’re living in the biggest experiment in human history and have little idea of the long term consequences.”

Zuby

Ironically, Zuby tweeted this quote about a week before the Corona Virus really became what it is now (late March, 2020). At the time I though it captured what was going on in our Global Sexual Marketplace so I saved the quote, but it’s true about a lot of new order areas of our modern globalized lives. And that includes global pandemics too.

I wrote about old order versus new order thinking a few months ago. This essay, The New Age of Enlightenment, is actually an excerpt from my upcoming fourth book in the Rational Male series and is a theme I carry through much of it. At the time of my writing it I had come to much of the same thinking as Zuby had here: it’s time we re-envision what a rapidly advancing global society looks like. My take began in the global sexual marketplace, but it’s expanded to many other areas of life. It’s a challenge to humanity to be sure. Reassessing what was old order wisdom worth preserving and abandoning what was simply inaccurate (or deliberately distorted) in the age of new order information and communication is something most people are unprepared for. Most people are too comfortable in the lives they built for themselves based on the foundation of old order ideals.

The Virus pandemic is proving this to us in real time and online 24 hours a day now. Faced with the rapid, systemic shutdown of every major economy on the planet, the global community now reverts to its very human, very predictable nature. The response to real, existential crisis is what defines the person, and what defines their ego-invested belief-sets – except everything is intensified.

Here’s what I’m seeing happen.

Believers’ Confirmation

Doomsday preppers rejoice. Christians, Catholics, [insert Millenarian Dominionist religion] all love and hate this crisis simultaneously. It both proves God’s love and God’s wrath in the same breath. And as I’ve expounded upon in the fourth book, there’s simply no arguing with people who have no questions. Don’t take this as a flame on believers – I get why they find comfort in it – it’s a simple observation of how crisis situations bring out what truly motivates people in a way we only rarely see.

Even the woo woo magical thinkers find a common confirmation of their spiritual-but-not-religious beliefs. They all told you so. They all knew it was coming. The tea leaves and energy ‘vibrations’ have all been off for months. If only we’d sent enough positive Juju out into the universe the Law of Attraction would have prevented all this! Likewise, they’re all equally unprepared for it. A reaffirmed faith (however they define it) will see them through. And maybe that’s a good attitude to have when panic and fear are the hot new commodities to sell on the worldwide stage (I’ll get to that in a moment).

Uncertainty is difficult for people, but there’s a lot of comfort in finding confirmation of beliefs in crisis and tragedy. And that belief doesn’t necessarily have to be religious. Political wonks are equally zealots now. This pandemic will define presidencies and, going forward, will likely determine the platforms of future world leaders for some time.

Never let a good crisis go to waste” – especially in an age when the majority of the worlds’ people literally cannot escape seeing it in real time. For the political ideologist, on either side of the spectrum, how this pandemic is being handled by officials, and the prophecies of inevitable economic ruin, is just as belief-affirming as religious confirmations.

For the Left, this is the event they’ve always waited for to bring down a president who’s been effectively invincible since the Primaries of 2015. To use their own words, they can “finally get the motherfucker.” That it took a global pandemic is irrelevant. For the Right, it’s an illustration of how life will look under the fantasy Socialist tyranny they see in the Left. The wholesale closing of abortion clinics is an added bonus. In our own sphere, for MGTOW it’s the sweet humbling of women’s egos as, from all appearances, women turn to a new appreciation of conventionally masculine men and ape the mannerisms of traditional femininity – for now. For the Trad-Con sunhat ladies this feminist pivot is, again, reaffirming. Gone, almost overnight, are the bleating of social justice warriors with all discussions of socially constructed gender norms. Noticeable in its absence is all talk of Women’s History Month (March) and the need for reparations in gender inequities. Hell, in Finland the all-female, all-feminist, government is glaringly impotent from all accounts I’ve read.

Most of this is what I’d expect from the average global citizen in the face of a world changing, relatively lethal, pandemic. However, it’s the new order Outrage Brokers and Success Porn Hustlahs scrambling to place their bets on the next 9 months who are truly a wonder to behold now.

Outrage Brokers in the Apocalypse

Amongst all of this pandemic gnashing of teeth we get the inevitable grifters. If we’re honest, we knew most of these guys were leeches when times were good. Certainly not all of them, but the temptation of quitting an old order day job for the promise of a new order monthly direct deposit from Google for playing ‘life coach’ on a webcam was a dream come true for most. Now their true natures rise to the surface as they see the chuckwagon of the gig economy pulling away. And just like rats going through an Extinction Burst they frantically try every new angle that they might profit from.

These are the war profiteers of this new order era, but the pitch is the same as it was in the past – stoke fear, sell security.

It almost seems quaint that I brought up this exact formula as discussion topic on Rule Zero just 2 weeks ago. We were illustrating how the term Red Pill (and now MGTOW) has been coopted as a branding opportunity by “coaches” and “relationship experts” with very little experience beyond what they can glean from others in the sphere. The main point was this: it’s far easier to get views and build subscriber bases in next to no time when your material is all red meat outrage for ‘underserved’ Average Frustrated Chumps. Toss out a few “red pills”, paint a few of them black, and commiserate with the average 80-percenter guy’s reality with women, gynocentrism and then play on the same indignation porn that the mainstream has been selling to women for 3 decades now. All sizzle, no steak. Is it any wonder that critics think the Red Pill is populated with nihilistic, homicidal Incels?

But that’s the formula. It just took men longer to perfect it for a fresh generation of male consumers. Indignation might be an innate female need, but the past 3 generations of men have developed a taste for it as well. It’s what happens when boys are raised as defective girls.

It’s important to see this crisis through the emotional lens that the past 4 generations of men and women have been taught to prioritize. For over 50 years now we’ve been conditioned to see the female, emotions-first, experience as the correct interpretation of every facet of a globalizing society. This pandemic is no exception.

Because of their emotions-first nature fear is easy to sell to women. Women’s innate need for security is what made them the primary consumer in western societies, but now we have at least 2 generations of men who were educated to be defective women. ThoseVillage-educated emotions-first men are susceptible to the same sales formulas now. Feels before Reals isn’t just for women, and this pandemic crisis is proving it in spades.

The savvy hucksters know this. The not so savvy ones will attempt to go back to whatever cubicle job they think still exists for them before they quit their day jobs. But the career Outrage Brokers are already profiteering from that formula; feed the fear, sell security.

You know the names. Watch them. You’ll need to remember their nature when things shake out.

Zeroed Out

What even the best Red Pill rage-bait “entrepreneur” knows is that the vast majority of his/her soon-to-be-former supporters will be Zeroed Out in the coming months. There is no going back to what we thought of as normal. Even if we recover back to a comfortable normalcy fairly quickly this experience changes things. The game has changed, all games have changed, and the uncertainty of the basics will replace the leisure of having the personal concerns we used to entertain before the virus hit.

A lot of good men will be Zeroed Out in the wake of this crisis.

I think it ought to be part of any Red Pill aware man’s understanding that at many points in our lives we will be confronted with the prospects of having to rebuild ourselves. Failure, rejection and disappointment will happen for you, that’s just part of a man’s life, and it’s easy to rattle off platitudes about how many times you get back up being the measure of a man. But what I’m saying is there will be times when total reconstruction of your life will be a necessity.

You will be zeroed out at some point, and how you handle this is a much different situation than any temporary setback. This zeroing out is made all the more difficult when you confront the fact that what you believed to be so valuable, the equity you were told was what others would measure you by, was all part of your Blue Pill conditioning. At that point you need to understand that there is most definitely a hope for a better remake of yourself based on truths that were learned in the hardest way.

The red meat is still there. The chemical rush that comes from indignation-without-solution will always satisfy in the short term, but now it will be a reminder of what people had a luxury to pursue before all this shit went down. Grifters and Outrage Brokers know this. Zealots and Shamans know this. Black Pills, God-Pills, MGTOW and every Red Pill rebrand knows this. And the old order thinkers who were comfortable and self-righteous in the certainty of a condition that couldn’t ever end for them will all say they saw this coming while they shit their pants looking for a way to sustain themselves. The red meat is all that’s left for them, and they’ll climb over themselves to be the source of it.

I’m not throwing all this out there to freak anyone out. Freaking out is the reflexive response I’ve been seeing for 2 weeks now. It’s more infectious than the actual virus. I’m simply trying to put this crisis into rational, masculine perspective. That requires observation.

Yes, women are going to revert to their survival instincts; observe it, catalog it, use it to confirm what the Red Pill has been proposing for 20 years now.

Yes, lesser men will panic and expect you to panic along with them. Their imaginings and superstitions are a source of dopamine for them. Learn from their real nature.

Yes, the Outrage Brokers will all feed you fear and sell you product to allay that fear. They’ll all have a nootropic pill to cure Covid soon. Make a note of who they are.

And yes, you will likely be Zeroed Out in some manner in the coming year. Take comfort in knowing you’re definitely not alone. You, me, everyone will need to rebuild ourselves to some degree soon. Start analyzing you strengths, pay attention to what’s going on around you. You must be agile like never before. Many different aspects of Red Pill awareness will be confirmed for you, a lot probably have been already, learn from these confirmations. This is the Future Shock. Now is not the time to flounder in despair. Look for the opportunities.

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kfg
kfg
1 month ago

“I do believe that the virus doesn’t like heat”

That’s why you get a fever as part of your immune response. Bake your homemade cloth mask at 175 F for half an hour and it’s pretty well sterilized.

theasdgamer
1 month ago

@HF “@ASD: all other factors aside, if we would handle this the same way as the flu, would we have the same number of cases/deaths as we have today? If not, what would be difference? Slightly more? Much more? What do you think?” Oh, many more, definitely, if we simply ignored covid19. But people tend not to ignore obvious dangers, but address them. So a lot of times the more obvious dangers actually do less damage than the subtle dangers. And I think that the lockdown is preferable to laissez faire, but inferior to my plan of quarantining the at-risk… Read more »

Johann Liebert
Johann Liebert
1 month ago

Corona-virus may be a curse for “a group of people”, but it’s certainly a blessing for the natural world far far away from intervention of humans.

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Palma

Yeah. This week at a nursing home one town over, 22 people died and 8 staff are infected/sick.

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

My county has had an disproportionate number of deaths compared the nearby counties. It’s running at about 5% of confirmed cases. I guesstimate it’s because we act as a nursing home and drug rehab hub for the surrounding, more heavily agricultural and rural counties, as well as taking in a disproportionate number of patients from the City.

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

First Warren Zevon, then Lenny Cohen and now John Prine. This is the day the lyrics died.

theasdgamer
1 month ago

“Fevers aren’t always a bad sign; you may even have heard that mild fevers are a good indication that your immune system is doing its job. But fevers aren’t just a byproduct of our immune response. In fact, it’s the other way around: an elevated body temperature triggers cellular mechanisms that ensure the immune system takes appropriate action against the offending virus or bacteria. So say researchers hailing from two academic institutions in the United Kingdom: the University of Warwick in Coventry and the University of Manchester. Senior researchers Profs. David Rand and Mike White led teams of mathematicians and… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

“COVID-19 Hits Some Health Care Workers With Pay Cuts And Layoffs “In medicine, we think we’re relatively immune from the economy,” Davis says. “People are always going to get sick; people are always going to need doctors.” Then two weeks ago, she watched her practice revenue drop 50% almost overnight after Massachusetts officials told doctors and hospitals to stop performing elective tests and procedures. For Davis, that meant no more nonurgent gynecological visits and screenings. “It’s shocking,” she says. “Everyone has been blind-sided.” [not me, but continue reading] Patient volume way down Atrius Health, the largest independent physician group in… Read more »

HF
HF
1 month ago

Could someone figure out how to open the “read more” part at long comments? Tried with 2 different laptops+a phone but it works with neither.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Just keep clicking on it.

HF
HF
1 month ago

@Sentient

Lol. It seems I’m not as patient as I think I am. Thanks.

theasdgamer
1 month ago

Dr. Birx was “inaccurate” (cough-she lied-cough) that social distancing wasn’t built in the IMHE models that she used.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/dr-birx-lied-covid-19-models-baked-effects-social-distancing-still-off-millions/

A woman does CYA. Shock!

HF
HF
1 month ago

ASD: I was contemplating that too, but our society is not healthy enough. In my country (I’m in Europe) 40% of the population is over 50. If you add the younger ones with asthma, obesity, autoimmune diseases etc. then more than half of the population is at risk. With the rampant obesity I don’t think it is better in the US. You need at least 60% of the population to get sick for this to work. And we still don’t know how long recovered ppl get immunity if at all. Anyway over here we seems to be over the worst… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

@HF I think that age is a correlating factor with covid. Age highly correlates to diabetes, kidney disease, and hypertension, but not 100%. Of the work force, you only have to quarantine about 30%. And add in an effective treatment for covid19 and you have no reason to lock down. The South Koreans have published their treatment, which is effective. HCQ/Zinc. Zelenko tried their treatment and publicized it without being specific about where the credit is due. Zelenko referenced the South Koreans, but didn’t give a footnote. We now have a clinical report from Cardillo in LA who reports reversal… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

Is the HHS inflating the number of covid19 deaths? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-mn-senator-dr-reveals-hhs-document-coaching-overcount-covid-19-cases-copy-document-video/ ““If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” Birx said.” Or if someone dies who has been exposed to someone else who was believed to have covid19, then that is counted as a covid19 death as well. Whole lotta funny biness going on. “Less than a Week After CBS was Caught Running Footage from Italian Hospital in their New York Hospital Report… They Do It Again!” https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/less-week-cbs-caught-running-footage-italian-hospital-new-york-hospital-report/ Why is there this big effort to make the covid19 problem seem bigger than it is? Blax, do… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

I stated last week. I know someone working in Elmhurst hospital, and I know a doctor and 5 nurses at university hospital and 2 doctors at Clara mass/st. Barnabas. Your too busy posting links to notice.😊 As I said earlier, one of my concerns is if I got sick, that there’d be facilities available with proper staff. An icu nurse has told me that they normally have 2-3 patients they are responsible for/monitor, and it’s increased to 5-6. Again, for the umpteenth time, it depends on where you live ( and evidently what one’s agendas are ). Things are bad… Read more »

SJF
SJF
1 month ago

“I have no idea if this is going to get much worse as I’m too busy looking after my friends and family right now.” You do. Welcome to denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I’m quite beside myself in not in my community, but in otherwise, the denial that this pandemic is over and above anything else. Remember what I’ve said about my community. It still holds. We do better than others. And it shows in numbers. Stating it’s less than the death rate from normal flu epidemics or from normal death from heart, stroke, drug addiction, etoh abuse (88,000… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

” Because it is over and above all the other normal deaths.” Strangely enough, U.S. deaths this year are about 15% below the average of the last 4 years, per (I think) gateway pundit. “Stating it’s less than the death rate from normal flu epidemics or from normal death from heart, stroke, drug addiction, etoh abuse (88,000 deaths in 2018) is disingenuous. Because it is over and above all the other normal deaths.” And the response is leading to more deaths from suicide, murder, and burglary. And we need something to compare covid19 to in order to evaluate it. “And… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

Interesting paper claims that SARS-2 (causes covid19) attacks hemoglobin and interferes with O2/CO2 transport. If so, then covid19 doesn’t kill by ARDS. Kind of fits with what the NO doc said about CT images of the lungs being unexpected. Lungs can be clear with low pO2. You get free toxic iron ion. Systemic organ failure from CO2 buildup and O2 starvation.

“COVID-19: Attacks the 1-Beta Chain of Hemoglobin and Captures the Porphyrin to Inhibit Human Heme Metabolism”

https://www.reddit.com/r/Residency/comments/fuwljt/covid19_attacks_the_1beta_chain_of_hemoglobin_and/

theasdgamer
1 month ago

Why don’t SJF and Blax care about people who are unemployed because of the dem panic and can’t pay rent or put food on the table?

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

It’s not a ” dem ” panic. Or a ” liberal ” panic ( I was Hannity yesterday too….gotta keep up with your sources ). It’s a virus. Again. It’s not the flu. I cared about unemployment before the numbers went ballistic, and what I understood was that real solution wouldn’t come without massive, shared pain. Snaps folks out of complacency and delusion. That’s the difference Asd, I actually care and that care isn’t politically driven or driven by anything else but not wanting to see people suffer and die while simpletons argue and debate and play angles. So sharing… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Edit doesn’t work either….

theasdgamer
1 month ago

“Fuck with their pockets and you’ll get their attention.” Men are more likely to tolerate the murder of their fathers than the destruction of their livelihood. It’s about the future. Children. My father would have approved of me saving my kids if I had to choose between him and my kids. As I would approve of my daughter saving my granddaughter even if it cost me and my wife our lives. “If you are caring now, that’s a sea change.” More like a “see” change. I’ve always cared. You are just beginning to perceive it. Maybe because you think that… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

I care about my kids, and others kids as well. Always been that way.

Idk about that ” murder of fathers ” thing. I disagree with the sentiment, but I understand where it originates. Not my background.

IRL
IRL
1 month ago

@Sentient
Is that the takeaway of that chart?

Refresh it every week, it gets updated:
http://euromomo.eu/outputs/images/Pooled-number.png

This graph is like a stock chart: by the time it shows the peak/bottom, you’ve missed it.

Sooo….. when’s the peak? 😉

IRL
IRL
1 month ago

Ok that reads like some funny game… but I’m overworked so too easy to come across like an ass when not intended.

Bottom line: is this ‘just a flu’ or will the chart show something else?

theasdgamer
1 month ago

Some of you all are like a bunch of silly girls, unaffected by logic and reason because feelz…but I’ll try again anyway… Fact: Total deaths are down in the U.S. Fact: Covid19 deaths are being overcounted. Fact: Models have been shown to be very much overly pessimistic–EVEN WHEN LOCKDOWN IS BAKED IN! Fact: We have a treatment that should work in most cases. Fact: It makes sense to quarantine the at-risk 30% rather than lock down 100%. Fact: We are all going to get covid19, one way or another. Fact: Hospital beds are not even close to being in short… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 month ago

asd “An estimated additional 180 – 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. “Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don’t have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation before dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

@Wahoo An article dated March 27th…seriously? :/ And testing would make a diff because…? Docs can diagnose covid19 without swabs. Your article is feely, feely bullsh*t. I have no doubt that hospitals in low income areas were the hardest hit. Harlem, Bronx, Queens. Upper East Side, not so much. “This is not a small effect. Assuming a link of that scale, the increase in unemployment would lead to an additional 128 suicides per month in the United States.” https://www.timegoesby.net/weblog/2014/01/the-terrible-hidden-toll-of-being-old-and-unemployed.html We’re now at 16 million unemployed. That’s some serious sh*t. Burglaries are way up. I’m always packing these days. Millions will… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

… “Now only those few who had a test confirmation before dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate.” https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-19-cause-death-even-assumed-caused-contributed-death-lab-tests-not-required/ You don’t have to have a swab test for your death to be listed as covid19. All you have to have is to have been in contact with someone who was “validated” as having covid19. Even if you died from the flu. Let’s check this with the CDC guidelines. “When reporting cause of death on a death certificate, use any information available, such as medical history, medical records, laboratory tests, an autopsy report, or other sources of… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

But wait! It gets better!

“HUGE! MN Senator and Doctor: Hospitals Get Paid More to List Patients as COVID-19 and Three Times as Much if the Patient Goes on Ventilator”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-mn-senator-doctor-hospitals-get-paid-list-patients-covid-19-three-times-much-patient-goes-ventilator-video/

Lessee…hospitals are experiencing a drop in census…loss of revenue…but I’m sure they won’t inflate the nos. because hospital people are nice people…

Men, let’s put our thinking caps back on.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

IRL

Bottom line: is this ‘just a flu’ or will the chart show something else?

Not just the flu, it’s a new species-jumper, so everyone is “naive”, i.e. has no immunity. Now that some people have gotten it & gotten over it we can learn more from their antibodies.

80% of people who get it have mild to minimal symptoms. It tends to kill off people with any of several health weaknesses, not limited to people over 65.

It’s a SARS variant, but spreads faster than the SARS of a few years back.

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Wahoo 😂 gamer would never read The Atlantic. Palma Here, Fox news drives a lot of the stuff asd repeats here constantly. I watched fox for the past few weeks and he repeats their talking points. Initially fox downplayed covid19 until they took heat for it and trump could no longer call it a hoax. But boy, did they try. Now they are on the hydro thing and the liberal media hyping things, and like clockwork, asd comes with the same thing and all of the obscure links or interpretation of links. Now I pretty much know what he’s going… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Yeah at this point he needs to give it a fucking rest already. Burglaries?
Packing?

Hmmmm….. time to stfu because everyone here isn’t as clueless as you are.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Burglaries are up. Some 75 to 400% depending on what’s measured.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/commercial-burglaries-up-75-percent-since-coronavirus-emergency-measures/

But whateva.

Here is news you did not read today.

Breaking: 7.8 Billion People Did NOT get Corona Virus Today

Hey look China and Russia have licked this thing… Rest easy.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

IRL

what will the chart show

Well we will see. I’m fading coronachan. But you know that. My bet is out there and I’m wrong on the numbers but right as of now directionally.

Now if one could fade the Gubmint… Fly in the ointment.

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=anQsCxVau20

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE

And the crowd laughs.

What an entertaining guy.👏

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

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Models way way off.

https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronavirus/watch-governor-cuomo-in-albany-for-daily-covid-19-briefing-04-09-2020

16m unemployed real. 2.5 trillion real.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Other thoughts…

From me : Assume everything you see on a screen is propaganda of some kind.

From a wise man: If you want to understand a man, understand his business model. How he gets paid.

My adjunct to the above: Understand how he gets laid as well…

Power – Sex – Money

Understand the drives, motovations of these.

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

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… put your thinking caps on indeed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html

it’s a scam for money.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Blax

Rather than post Fox News clips, can you comment on my slide and link, from Governor Cuomo?

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Lol

Hospitalizations for Coronavirus Are Nearly Flat in N.Y., but 799 More Die

This headline drips with disappointment.

But hey they got that body shot in so… Wonder why that is?

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 month ago

“Lol” Sound of boy laughing in the dark to keep his spirits up. “Hospitalizations for Coronavirus Are Nearly Flat in N.Y., but 799 More Die” Hospitalizations level off when the hospital is full fn dip$#i/s, there is even a momentary lag in death count from a fatal gunshot wound as well as a longer time for sickness. “This headline drips with disappointment.” Nah just stupidity. “But hey they got that body shot in so… Wonder why that is?” Ya how did they get that in when they cut the actual pile of bodies pictures from the article to keep asd… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 month ago

What we need to do is get frontier airlines to donate a plane or two then convert them to medivac flights so we can ship the infecteds from new york to asd’s hometown where all the empty beds are. Then we could treat them with HQ and zinc or some quercitine and vegies in between breaths.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Wahoo Hospitalizations level off when the hospital is full fn dip$#i/s Maybe you are unfamiliar with NY hospital bed capacity? It’s not unsolvable… Here is a breadcrumb… Cuomo: New York needs 110,000 hospital beds for coronavirus patients in 45 days and we only have 53,000 “Right now, in New York specifically, the rate of the curve suggests that in 45 days we could have up to an input of people who need 110,000 beds that compares to our current capacity of 53,000 beds, 37,000 ICU units, ventilators, which compares to a capacity currently of 3,000 ventilators. That’s our main issue,”… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

and note Fox News is not the source…

Bam!

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Fwiw, I don’t listen to the models since people were ordered to stay at home. People keeping their assed inside drops all manner of colds, flu, car accidents, trip and falls, folks getting hit by buses and cars, etc. I’m more targeted on refrigerator trucks as temporary morgues, funeral homes over capacity, and hundreds of people dying every single day. That shit is real Someone said we had 15 cases, and that number would only to down because we have this under control. I put that in the same category as 1.5 million dead in the u.s. 400-600 approx dying… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

@Blax “Here, Fox news drives a lot of the stuff asd repeats here constantly. I watched fox for the past few weeks and he repeats their talking points. Initially fox downplayed covid19 until they took heat for it and trump could no longer call it a hoax.” Feb. 25: “Tucker Carlson sounds the alarm: ‘America is not ready’ for the coronavirus” https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-america-not-ready-for-cornavirus Hannity was late. Fox was divided and Carlson was attacked as alarmist by news sources. Anthony Fauci of the CDC on Feb. 19: “The risk right now, today, currently is relatively low for the American public….Be more concerned… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

In my town burglaries are up. Somebody get @Blax some glasses. Or maybe he doesn’t care about people losing their jobs or homes because he still has a job and a home. This much unemployment is likely to have serious repercussions. And not just against President Trump. Riots. Rebellion. Not based on what I have seen (I don’t hang around with right wing rebellious types)–just my understanding of human nature. Keep goods stocked and keep your transport options flexible. Keep your eyes open. @wahoo (piling on) “Hospitalizations level off when the hospital is full fn dip$#i/s,” Show me some link… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

A medical college prof said to me some weeks ago that there were too many unknowns about this virus. That still holds. It’s not “just the flu”, and while it’s not nearly as contagious or lethal to healthy people as feared, there’s still unknowns. It appears that surviving it confers some immunity for a while, but nobody yet knows how long. It could be back in December. There’s something else that is an unknown, longer term effects. The chickenpox virus goes dormant in the nervous system but can reoccur as shingles, for example. This SARS uses the ACE-2 receptor as… Read more »

IRL
IRL
1 month ago

@Sentient Models way way off. https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/09/chuck-todd-is-wrong-again-there-are-huge-downsides-to-the-media-being-overly-alarmist/ < blockquote>On April 1, IHME projected that the United States would need a peak of 262,092 hospital beds on April 15. In the latest update, that projection had dropped to a projected peak need of 95,202 beds on April 13. On April 1, the group said the United States would need 38,849 ICU beds and 31,082 ventilators. By April 8, that projection had dropped dramatically to a projected need of 19,438 ICU beds and 16,524 ventilators. Understand the drives, motovations of these. If you play this card: Pushing governors and other politicians to do… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Here’s the Johns-Hopkins dashboard link again. Easy to see that Wyoming isn’t in a lockdown mode, because so far no reason, but other states are different. This newer version has county-by-county data in the US. Click on a dot, get the county, total case number, total dead, total cured. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 There’s another maybe sorta fact: a common vaccination for tuberculosis, the BCG, may confer some resistance to COVID. That’s “may”, and it’s not obvious why, not yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCG_vaccine Loading...

HF
HF
1 month ago

@Anonymous Reader The study the Guardian refers to is called the “Heinsberg study”. If you search for it like that you can find the original results so you don’t have to filter through the bullshit: https://www.land.nrw/sites/default/files/asset/document/zwischenergebnis_covid19_case_study_gangelt_0.pdf They are preliminary results, but encouraging. In short they choose a municipality (Heinsberg) where the first cases were in Germany, and where the most infected were (per capita). They choose 1000 random household, and checked if they were sick, and checked a lot of other stuff too (like how much virus was on different surfaces in the house, how they could contract it and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago
kfg
kfg
1 month ago

“Easy to see that Wyoming isn’t in a lockdown mode, because so far no reason, but other states are different.” On a county by county basis much of NY isn’t much worse off than Wyoming and most of the cases are actually in single micropolitan statistical areas, not spread across the county. With a tiny little bit of thought it’s also easy to figure out why people in some regions are still traveling fairly large distances compared to others: Popping over to the next door neighbor’s house to borrow a cup of sugar: http://travel.home.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/travel/fullset/2014/10/14/58/south-dakota-fall-drives-vanocker-canyon.rend.hgtvcom.1280.720.jpeg Loading...

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 month ago

“But do go on…” Some hospitals are at capacity some are ready,hopefully the measures we have taken will suffice. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/modelers-weigh-value-lives-and-lockdown-costs-put-price-covid-19 “But the dollars and cents of a virus are less intuitive. Rebelo uses a modified version of what’s known as an SIR model, an acronym for categories of people: susceptible, infected, and recovered. It simulates how a disease moves through a population based on how infectious and lethal it is, and how much contact people have with each other. To put a price on the results, Rebelo takes the number of predicted deaths and calculates an economic estimate of the… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

“The economy” is not just numbers. It’s a representation of things needed to maintain life, like food. Food is the primal form of money. Milk is being dumped and crops are already beginning to rot in the fields. If you don’t notice it now, you will in just a few months. If you don’t work, you die. That isn’t “the economy.” It’s the Second Law of Thermodynamics. You can’t suspend it for the duration. That bastard keeps ticking right along without even diminishing its rate to cut us a bit of a break. I am fortunate enough that I can… Read more »

HF
HF
1 month ago

@wahoo Mcdaniels What I read from that article that (as usual) economists use elementary school level modeling, and call it a “science”. I mean the current level of lockdown (what they have in NYC and most of the EU) would mean a 20-30% unemployment rate even by a conservative estimate. Considering the amount of savings the average population have, how long do you think those ppl would stay at home in peace? SIR models are not that much better either, especially that they are pulling out R numbers from their asses without any real basis, and as kfg explained the… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

The recent Harvard study (and I’m not normally a big fan of Harvard studies*) suggested that social distancing mitigations would have to continue for two years, BUT . . . they had the good sense (from Harvard? Go figure) to understand that that couldn’t be sustained and would have to be done on a rolling basis, so they proposed (and they’re the only ones I’ve seen actually do this) a threshold of contagion (what a concept) that would trigger the requirement: 37.9 confirmed cases per 10,000 population. That wouldn’t reduce infections to a minimum, but it would reduce the rate… Read more »

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 month ago

The ranchers and farmers i know of are still working, the corn rotting in the fields and silos was blamed on the GSM last year, being to wet to work the fields or harvest. The long haul truckers are on average the most likely to get sick from the covid as most suffer from pre existing conditions.The methods of recruitting new truckdrivers into puppy mills and making them indentured servants have been shut down this is raising freight rates and creating a shortage for some of the largest trans corps. In our state construction is considered essential and is still… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

Social events are a factor spreading covid…but family spread is no. 1…for every person who contracts covid from a social event, there are probably two family members who get infected… I double dam guarantee you that nursing homes are still having social functions–letting residents cluster around the teevee for example because there’s not enough staff to do anything else. And residents mingle on the sly. And some nursing homes are still letting grandkids in to see grandma and grandpa at the nursing homes (just for 5 minutes, please…which becomes 30 minutes in reality…for multiple residents)…and the staff isn’t quarantining with… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

” . . . the corn rotting in the fields and silos was blamed on the GSM last year . . .”

This year they are blaming it on having no market to ship it to, even as some markets are suffering from shortages. The distribution system isn’t a simple straight line from field to grocery store. McDonald’s doesn’t buy buns from Walmart.

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

“…didn’t kfg say that even in NY yearly deaths are down?”

No, but I have been thinking that when we count up at the end of the year they might be, although the reason for it would still be the virus mitigation tactics. Fewer people playing in traffic and such.

On the other hand suicide hotlines are starting to get swamped.

theasdgamer
1 month ago

Dr. Annie Bukacek: “So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website. Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

“They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate . . .”

Back in the day when you “met” someone on the Net you could be pretty sure they had some academic or military rank and probably a technical background of some sort. When they started letting just anyone in one of the things that shocked me a bit is that most people tended to use the Internet to go no farther from home (metaphorically speaking) than their local shopping mall.

I wander.

A joke going around Romania right now is:

Hit by a bus.
COVID-19!

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

It is hard to separate the hype from truth. Not really… Here is that Atlantic article, first para… In the emergency-department waiting room, 150 people worry about a fever. Ok. so? People are worried. Some just want a test, others badly need medical treatment. OK so? Hospitals triage patients every single day. Sounds like a lot of those worried people should not be there. But people not smart. Note this is not PROOF of TEOTWAWKI. Those not at the brink of death have to wait six, eight, 10 hours before they can see a doctor. When is the last time… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

A joke going around

I like my women like I like my COVID. 19 and easily spread…

Too soon?

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

The tents you see on the news behind Elmhurst aren’t there because the hospital ran out of beds and they need overflow. They’re there for triage to keep people with the sniffles (or who just think they might have the sniffles) from overwhelming the ER. In a sense it’s the anxiety ward.

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Another example of not being able to see the true picture: unemployment will rise to 20% or higher, because that’s where we are right now. The reported number is always behind, and cannot take into account the millions that can’t apply for benefits because systems are overwhelmed and crashing constantly. Hold on to your ass. Asd, true, I dislike trump very much, but in my case that’s been true for 40+ years and not because of an election. He’s a shitty human being with various mental and social issues, and most people that have been exposed to him consistently over… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Kfg

Truth. But the refrigerator trailers aren’t for snacks.

HF
HF
1 month ago

@kfg:

Which Harvard study do you refer to? Sounds interesting.

The supply line problems will sort themselves out. The demand for food will obviously not decrease, so the supply will find a way to get there because there is big money in it.

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

@Blaximus:

Oh, absolutely. If they weren’t slammed they wouldn’t need the tents for anything.

@HF: “Which Harvard study do you refer to?”

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/3/31/coronavirus-intermittent-distancing-study/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20041079v1

Errata: 37.5/10,000

“The supply line problems will sort themselves out.”

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. There are already truckers out there though who are saying “Fuck the regs. There are people out there who need my load and they need it NOW! I’m rolling.”

wahoo Mcdaniels
1 month ago

You boys can sit around and complain about the current state of affairs all you need to . My life is going on as normal and ive got things to do. granted they are beneath your stations in life but they are important to my line of reason. Don’t get lost in wishing things were better get better yourselves!

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

I’m questioning the politics. I’m complaining about the weather, which is keeping me from working in the north 40. Rain and 40 mph winds. I’ve had to go out and lash up a few of the older sections of fencing, I’ve lost some of my magnolia buds before their time and I’m a bit nervous about some of the roof shingles.

theasdgamer
1 month ago

The tents are for preventing people with a fever from infecting people without a fever who want emergency care.

Are the refrigerated trucks actually being used? Have you talked with the drivers? Have you looked inside? Have you been to the hospital morgue and talked with the attendants? Have you seen bodies being put into the hospital trucks? Is this normal for flu season? The drivers should know.

Are the funeral homes backed up?

ICUs are often busy during flu season. Mrs. Gamer worked in an ICU for years and I worked in one part time.

theasdgamer
1 month ago

“Inundated with Flu Patients…”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/health/hospitals-coronavirus.html

“Emergency Rooms Fill Up As Flu Season Reaches Peak”

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/01/15/flu-season-peak/

theasdgamer
1 month ago

“Jones said for ICUs to fill up is not terribly unusual for this time of year since many diseases have a seasonal variance that renders them more severe in the winter.”

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/2018/01/10/flu-outbreak-hospitals-facing-visitor-restrictions-icu-bed-shortages-visitor-restrictions-flu-outbre/1021545001/

Covid is certainly adding stress to the health care system since it’s hitting during flu season.

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

“Covid is certainly adding stress to the health care system since it’s hitting during flu season.” That’s the real problem with the COVID deaths being on top of all the other causes of death. As a general public health issue the argument is asymptotically regressive, because all causes of death are on top of all other causes of death. So that’s the point of “flattening the curve” and an infection threshold of 37.5/10k. Flattening the curve doesn’t reduce the area under the curve, or save lives directly. It saves ICU beds at any given moment in time. Which might help… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

Jesus.

Yes I have seen video of body bags in freezer trucks at Elmhurst hospital. Shared with someone I know working there.

Just stop already or come here and see for yourself.

I get that you can’t see the local news here, but it’s surreal to see you questioning what can be seen quite easily. Damndest thing.

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

“Well, perhaps not.”

That was meant to be implicit in “might,” and my use of the phrase “extend a bit” rather than “save” was done with malice aforethought.

kfg
kfg
1 month ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
1 month ago

😂😂

Kfg, he’s Not really interested. He just keeps pushing the same stuff, every day.

….flu.

This morning a family friend was notified that his mother passed. She was positive then she was ill. Family was not permitted to see her in the icu. They won’t get to have a proper funeral. The guy is in agony.

Asd can’t comprehend these things. Maybe that’s a good way to go through life, numb and unaffected by the world around you.

Idk.

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

When FOX first went on the air I tuned in to see what it was all about. After about 5 minutes I thought, “Ah. I get it. Talking boobs.” The boobs were very nicely presented, which I can endorse, but for news I’m interested in the 5 Ws, not an opposing slant, so I haven’t paid it much never mind since then except to the extent that it might help me to figure out what the 5 Ws are in a world where they seem to have been sent out to the wood shed. If I have an actual bone… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

I liked 5 and 9 when they were independents

“it’s 10 O’clock. Do you know where your children are?”

I liked WPIX, but then I was partial to Phil Silvers and The Honeymooners.

theasdgamer
1 month ago

Blax, we have been primed to respond to a signal…Pavlovian conditioning…fear when we hear “covid19” or coronavirus. We see what we have been primed to see. Me, I am skeptical about everything when I perceive panic mongering. Most of what we see is likely flu and is pretty standard for winter. Bodies being buried temporarily in the park…also standard for winter, but it freaks us out because we didn’t know about it and we have been primed to get freaked out over stuff we didn’t know about. New York seems to run pretty lean in terms of per capita health… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Flattening the curve doesn’t reduce the area under the curve, or save lives directly. It saves ICU beds at any given moment in time. Life is still going on. Preggers are still coming to term and pushing babies out. Car accidents are still happening although probably not quite as many as normal. Lather, rinse and repeat. The baseline need for ICU goes on. If a woman has complications during birth and needs to be in ICU for 12 to 18 hours, it’s a good thing if the ICU isn’t stuffed full of COVID patients. One curiousity: heart attacks and strokes… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Czech republic requires anyone out in public to mask up. Everyone must mask up.
Including nudist sunbathers. Great pic.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/czech-nudists-virus-police/index.html

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

I’m finally getting around to decommissioning one pair of sneakers and building an “Enterprise class” home network. I don’t expect it to cause enough stress to cause a heart attack, but I’m figuring I’ll at least pull out some hair. I’ve built up an mATX j3455 box that I figured to use as a secondary desktop in my basement office while it serves sftp/samba/DLNA in the background. Figured on jacking that into the new network setup as a last step. In the meantime I’ve setup a Raspberry Pi server and I’m facing a conundrum: It’s sloooooooow to write to (which… Read more »

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

” . . . we all have one common desire to respect the government’s guidelines so that the restrictions can be gradually lifted,” the statement said. “That however will not happen until everyone starts to dutifully respect the rules.”

I notice there is no mention of the virus. It is phrased entirely as a matter of compliance with authoritah.

SJF
SJF
1 month ago

“I notice there is no mention of the virus. It is phrased entirely as a matter of compliance with authoritah.”

Wait, what?

Current directives are: “you are not allowed to visit your second home property” Do not go there. Unless you have a reason.

WTF?. No one is out there to infect.

Guess the narrative is: I’m going out to drive my chainsaw for exercise. And when things really start sprouting after the 1st of May, I’m driving my JD5420 to mow down yellow rocket for exercise. For plausible deniability.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

kfg
I’m finally getting around to decommissioning one pair of sneakers and building an “Enterprise class” home network.

Good work, Scotty
Bones? Your opinion on the sneakers?

“They’re dead, Jim.”

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

kfg
In the meantime I’ve setup a Raspberry Pi server and I’m facing a conundrum: It’s sloooooooow to write to

Where’s the bottleneck? Are Pi’s not that good on the I/O side? Something else?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

kfg
I notice there is no mention of the virus. It is phrased entirely as a matter of compliance with authoritah.

Well, speaking of mah authoriteh…

Church has drive-up service. Preacher inside, speaks via low power FM radio xmitter. Church members in their cars in the parking lot.

Mayor sends the cops to hand out $500 tickets to everyone in the lot.

In Mississippi.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/10/mississippi-church-sue-city-government-crackdown-d/

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 month ago

Looks like the student government has taken over part of Massachusetts.

https://youtu.be/sqoLotkP2_A

kfg
kfg
1 month ago

“Where’s the bottleneck? Are Pi’s not that good on the I/O side? Something else?” It’s a generation old (3 B+), one USB 2.0 lane shared between 4 ports AND ethernet. The latest model (4 B) has added 3.0 and dedicated gigabit ethernet lanes, but I’ve been putting off getting one of those until after certain teething problems in both hardware and software have been ironed out. The performance jump has been significant in almost all areas, but it hasn’t been the smoothest of roll outs. They went to USB-C for power, but screwed up the spec so that Power Delivery… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 month ago

Looks like people are dying of coronavirus in Massachusetts. Or were supposedly dying of it.

“Revising” death certificates?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/wth-massachusetts-padding-coronavirus-numbers-get-cash/

Remember Rule #1 Follow the money.

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