The Future Shock

When something big in the news goes down I’ve learned from experience not to be too quick to write anything about it until the hype dies down and more information comes out. My long-time readers know what I’m talking about. In the early days of this blog I could get caught up in a story about how a guy got Zeroed Out and committed suicide or killed his family and himself, and people would run me up the flagpole for jumping to conclusions. That those conclusions were, in fact, accurate was irrelevant to critics. It was all about ‘hasty generalizations‘ and confirmation biases at the time of writing.

This new Corona Virus pandemic is something different though. There are a lot of people very eager to jump to those hasty generalizations in this global crisis – and pointing out their panic only makes them feel more justified in panicking. At the time of this writing we’re seeing a globalized response to a globalized virus. For all or our new order information, technology, access and connectivity the same old order human nature remain the same. Odd that the people who’ve criticized me for being too mechanistic about our evolved nature are the same people who are in a righteous panic caused by the nature I’ve been told we’re supposed to be evolved above now.

But today, instead of a localized panic, we get a global panic. Instead of localized disinformation, we have globalized disinformation.

“In the social media age, people have forgotten that it’s not remotely normal to be able to see hundreds of millions of people’s opinions & actions, let alone engage with them.

We’re living in the biggest experiment in human history and have little idea of the long term consequences.”

Zuby

Ironically, Zuby tweeted this quote about a week before the Corona Virus really became what it is now (late March, 2020). At the time I though it captured what was going on in our Global Sexual Marketplace so I saved the quote, but it’s true about a lot of new order areas of our modern globalized lives. And that includes global pandemics too.

I wrote about old order versus new order thinking a few months ago. This essay, The New Age of Enlightenment, is actually an excerpt from my upcoming fourth book in the Rational Male series and is a theme I carry through much of it. At the time of my writing it I had come to much of the same thinking as Zuby had here: it’s time we re-envision what a rapidly advancing global society looks like. My take began in the global sexual marketplace, but it’s expanded to many other areas of life. It’s a challenge to humanity to be sure. Reassessing what was old order wisdom worth preserving and abandoning what was simply inaccurate (or deliberately distorted) in the age of new order information and communication is something most people are unprepared for. Most people are too comfortable in the lives they built for themselves based on the foundation of old order ideals.

The Virus pandemic is proving this to us in real time and online 24 hours a day now. Faced with the rapid, systemic shutdown of every major economy on the planet, the global community now reverts to its very human, very predictable nature. The response to real, existential crisis is what defines the person, and what defines their ego-invested belief-sets – except everything is intensified.

Here’s what I’m seeing happen.

Believers’ Confirmation

Doomsday preppers rejoice. Christians, Catholics, [insert Millenarian Dominionist religion] all love and hate this crisis simultaneously. It both proves God’s love and God’s wrath in the same breath. And as I’ve expounded upon in the fourth book, there’s simply no arguing with people who have no questions. Don’t take this as a flame on believers – I get why they find comfort in it – it’s a simple observation of how crisis situations bring out what truly motivates people in a way we only rarely see.

Even the woo woo magical thinkers find a common confirmation of their spiritual-but-not-religious beliefs. They all told you so. They all knew it was coming. The tea leaves and energy ‘vibrations’ have all been off for months. If only we’d sent enough positive Juju out into the universe the Law of Attraction would have prevented all this! Likewise, they’re all equally unprepared for it. A reaffirmed faith (however they define it) will see them through. And maybe that’s a good attitude to have when panic and fear are the hot new commodities to sell on the worldwide stage (I’ll get to that in a moment).

Uncertainty is difficult for people, but there’s a lot of comfort in finding confirmation of beliefs in crisis and tragedy. And that belief doesn’t necessarily have to be religious. Political wonks are equally zealots now. This pandemic will define presidencies and, going forward, will likely determine the platforms of future world leaders for some time.

Never let a good crisis go to waste” – especially in an age when the majority of the worlds’ people literally cannot escape seeing it in real time. For the political ideologist, on either side of the spectrum, how this pandemic is being handled by officials, and the prophecies of inevitable economic ruin, is just as belief-affirming as religious confirmations.

For the Left, this is the event they’ve always waited for to bring down a president who’s been effectively invincible since the Primaries of 2015. To use their own words, they can “finally get the motherfucker.” That it took a global pandemic is irrelevant. For the Right, it’s an illustration of how life will look under the fantasy Socialist tyranny they see in the Left. The wholesale closing of abortion clinics is an added bonus. In our own sphere, for MGTOW it’s the sweet humbling of women’s egos as, from all appearances, women turn to a new appreciation of conventionally masculine men and ape the mannerisms of traditional femininity – for now. For the Trad-Con sunhat ladies this feminist pivot is, again, reaffirming. Gone, almost overnight, are the bleating of social justice warriors with all discussions of socially constructed gender norms. Noticeable in its absence is all talk of Women’s History Month (March) and the need for reparations in gender inequities. Hell, in Finland the all-female, all-feminist, government is glaringly impotent from all accounts I’ve read.

Most of this is what I’d expect from the average global citizen in the face of a world changing, relatively lethal, pandemic. However, it’s the new order Outrage Brokers and Success Porn Hustlahs scrambling to place their bets on the next 9 months who are truly a wonder to behold now.

Outrage Brokers in the Apocalypse

Amongst all of this pandemic gnashing of teeth we get the inevitable grifters. If we’re honest, we knew most of these guys were leeches when times were good. Certainly not all of them, but the temptation of quitting an old order day job for the promise of a new order monthly direct deposit from Google for playing ‘life coach’ on a webcam was a dream come true for most. Now their true natures rise to the surface as they see the chuckwagon of the gig economy pulling away. And just like rats going through an Extinction Burst they frantically try every new angle that they might profit from.

These are the war profiteers of this new order era, but the pitch is the same as it was in the past – stoke fear, sell security.

It almost seems quaint that I brought up this exact formula as discussion topic on Rule Zero just 2 weeks ago. We were illustrating how the term Red Pill (and now MGTOW) has been coopted as a branding opportunity by “coaches” and “relationship experts” with very little experience beyond what they can glean from others in the sphere. The main point was this: it’s far easier to get views and build subscriber bases in next to no time when your material is all red meat outrage for ‘underserved’ Average Frustrated Chumps. Toss out a few “red pills”, paint a few of them black, and commiserate with the average 80-percenter guy’s reality with women, gynocentrism and then play on the same indignation porn that the mainstream has been selling to women for 3 decades now. All sizzle, no steak. Is it any wonder that critics think the Red Pill is populated with nihilistic, homicidal Incels?

But that’s the formula. It just took men longer to perfect it for a fresh generation of male consumers. Indignation might be an innate female need, but the past 3 generations of men have developed a taste for it as well. It’s what happens when boys are raised as defective girls.

It’s important to see this crisis through the emotional lens that the past 4 generations of men and women have been taught to prioritize. For over 50 years now we’ve been conditioned to see the female, emotions-first, experience as the correct interpretation of every facet of a globalizing society. This pandemic is no exception.

Because of their emotions-first nature fear is easy to sell to women. Women’s innate need for security is what made them the primary consumer in western societies, but now we have at least 2 generations of men who were educated to be defective women. ThoseVillage-educated emotions-first men are susceptible to the same sales formulas now. Feels before Reals isn’t just for women, and this pandemic crisis is proving it in spades.

The savvy hucksters know this. The not so savvy ones will attempt to go back to whatever cubicle job they think still exists for them before they quit their day jobs. But the career Outrage Brokers are already profiteering from that formula; feed the fear, sell security.

You know the names. Watch them. You’ll need to remember their nature when things shake out.

Zeroed Out

What even the best Red Pill rage-bait “entrepreneur” knows is that the vast majority of his/her soon-to-be-former supporters will be Zeroed Out in the coming months. There is no going back to what we thought of as normal. Even if we recover back to a comfortable normalcy fairly quickly this experience changes things. The game has changed, all games have changed, and the uncertainty of the basics will replace the leisure of having the personal concerns we used to entertain before the virus hit.

A lot of good men will be Zeroed Out in the wake of this crisis.

I think it ought to be part of any Red Pill aware man’s understanding that at many points in our lives we will be confronted with the prospects of having to rebuild ourselves. Failure, rejection and disappointment will happen for you, that’s just part of a man’s life, and it’s easy to rattle off platitudes about how many times you get back up being the measure of a man. But what I’m saying is there will be times when total reconstruction of your life will be a necessity.

You will be zeroed out at some point, and how you handle this is a much different situation than any temporary setback. This zeroing out is made all the more difficult when you confront the fact that what you believed to be so valuable, the equity you were told was what others would measure you by, was all part of your Blue Pill conditioning. At that point you need to understand that there is most definitely a hope for a better remake of yourself based on truths that were learned in the hardest way.

The red meat is still there. The chemical rush that comes from indignation-without-solution will always satisfy in the short term, but now it will be a reminder of what people had a luxury to pursue before all this shit went down. Grifters and Outrage Brokers know this. Zealots and Shamans know this. Black Pills, God-Pills, MGTOW and every Red Pill rebrand knows this. And the old order thinkers who were comfortable and self-righteous in the certainty of a condition that couldn’t ever end for them will all say they saw this coming while they shit their pants looking for a way to sustain themselves. The red meat is all that’s left for them, and they’ll climb over themselves to be the source of it.

I’m not throwing all this out there to freak anyone out. Freaking out is the reflexive response I’ve been seeing for 2 weeks now. It’s more infectious than the actual virus. I’m simply trying to put this crisis into rational, masculine perspective. That requires observation.

Yes, women are going to revert to their survival instincts; observe it, catalog it, use it to confirm what the Red Pill has been proposing for 20 years now.

Yes, lesser men will panic and expect you to panic along with them. Their imaginings and superstitions are a source of dopamine for them. Learn from their real nature.

Yes, the Outrage Brokers will all feed you fear and sell you product to allay that fear. They’ll all have a nootropic pill to cure Covid soon. Make a note of who they are.

And yes, you will likely be Zeroed Out in some manner in the coming year. Take comfort in knowing you’re definitely not alone. You, me, everyone will need to rebuild ourselves to some degree soon. Start analyzing you strengths, pay attention to what’s going on around you. You must be agile like never before. Many different aspects of Red Pill awareness will be confirmed for you, a lot probably have been already, learn from these confirmations. This is the Future Shock. Now is not the time to flounder in despair. Look for the opportunities.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

612 comments on “The Future Shock

  1. “You’re not supposed to do it forever. You do it till you find a woman that does what you want. THEN you LOVE that woman and keep your shit up. Problem is men are lemmings and women are encouraged to respond with Vitriolic anger at the mere suggestion that a relationship requires a commitment. To which most men then get a bitchfit and go “Well if ya aint gonna do what I like, then Imma discard ya!! Hur Hur Hur!!” The reason it’s never verbalized as such is Twofold. 1. The original plan was to bring back Feudalism by suggesting to the poor that their only way to survive is to produce women for the upper class to fuck and betas to troll and exploit. It already happened and is failing. They planned to just keep blaming women for it and offering their Red Pill solutions for it as the basic analeptic, which then would get men to prioritize competition among themselves as the sole determinant of success with women. THUS, ascendant “Betas” who have a plan to demolish the old paradigm would be mocked by the consensus-seeking women, and the men(taught to abandon women at the tiniest slight) would never, ever, become real leaders and counselors of other men(of their own particular social class) on men. Thankfully Rollo’s Red Pill was actually an adaptive response and not some greater cog in the scheme. Though he was probably tempted by the Camwhore money. 2. If you admit you need women, the mature thing to do, you wouldn’t need to watch this type of video because you’d avoid the situation entirely by having a relationship to the woman herself. The acute problems Rollo was addressing with his work was the fact that, legally, women are still allowed to do whatever the fuck they want to you. So you CAN’T have a relationship with women unless you game them, and EVEN THEN, women can fuck you over at no legal consequence. Also too many men aren’t social enough. It seemed like the perfect plan but there was too many fingers in that pie. Rather, from what I can gather, This jellopy IS the fucking pie. Mind you. THIS applies to monogamous people. The nons? They’d do anything to make YOUR life into THEIR life. It’s just another form of the dominance instinct inherit in humans. It’s control of energy. They NEED you to think there’s “no free will” so that you’ll never use it. However, I can see now Rollo was just adapting his stuff so that the Red Pill would continue to give you an out to whatever some random fucker with alot of money or anything else tries to punk you.”

    Guys, what do you think of this comment I found on youtube?

    It was in response to someone asking how long they should spin plates.

  2. @SJF

    I have also read that HC has several modes of action against covid.

    I posted the rest of my reply over on my site. That seemed like a more appropriate context.

  3. A story about ” Doing The Best He Can “.

    I know a guy named Rodney. He had a Denali suv that had a leaking head gasket. Rodney had never encountered this scenario before. Every 2 days the vehicle would overheat when the water leaked out of the radiator die the the leaky head gasket.

    So Rodney would refill the radiator with water and keep driving. He didn’t know much about cars but he did know that empty radiators were a bad thing.

    He asked me what he should do. I told him ” fix the head gasket “. He got an estimate to repair the gasket, 800 dollars. He said that was way too expensive. So I suggested that he at a minimum put antifreeze in the water he was replacing. He said that was just wasting money.

    So he continued with his straight water replacement routine for months and months.

    Then winter came.

    After a few days of sub freezing temperatures, the water in the engine block froze, expanded, and cracked the block. Officially toast.

    He did the best he could within his knowledge and circumstances. I tried to tell him that was going to happen, but he didn’t quite believe that it was possible to happen in his case. Water breaking an iron engine block?

    Sometimes believing in positive outcomes just have a limit when dealing with an active current problem.

    If people believe Donald trump is the ” best ” in dealing with crisis, then that’s not evidence based. Use the Google for a few hours. I don’t have to because I grew up with trump most of my life. It’s not about any derangement syndrome. It’s amazing how some people act like they haven’t been able to see and hear him, and think he’s just peachy.

    Again I will repeat myself, because it seems what I’m saying isn’t getting through because of the penchant to defend trump at all costs.

    No one could have stopped corona. This was inevitable and it will happen again. New York and New Jersey were slammed because we have millions and millions and millions of international flights landing here from all over the world.

    Doing the best he could, trump banned flights from China. In 2 months New York and New Jersey had 1.7 million flights come in from Europe, a shitload coming in from Italy. Wrap your head around the numbers. No, they didn’t come into Missouri.

    My problem is that I don’t know what the President was told. I do know that he doesn’t read ( hallmark of high iq people ) and that he has comprehension issues. I do know that he stays up all night tweeting ( another hallmark…) And gets distracted. I do know that he never takes responsibility and blames others. That’s how motive since way before he took office. He is President, but he’s not a ” leader “, or at least not a good one.

    All the fauci talk…😂 , like trump never said he trusted xi in china…before he flip flopped….and flip flopped again….and now it’s China creating the virus and releasing it.

    That’s not leadership. That’s him blaming like trump does.

    Cuomo says the virus in New York appears to have come from Italy.

    But he’s crazy right? Oh, and he’s a ” Democrat ” sooooo…….

    Idealism?? Really???

    I’ve been saying forever that I want trump to go against his bullshitting nature and step up. I’m not stupid enough to want a sitting President to fail. Wanting him to cut the shit and lead doesn’t blind me to what he’s saying and doing.

    Don’t drink disinfectant btw.

    But that doesn’t count….

    This from the leader of the free world.

    But, he’s ” the best “.

    The virus isn’t trumps or anybody’s fault. For the millionth time, it’s a fucking virus. There are a thousand confirmed cases in my zip code and a hundred deaths so far in my zip alone. The city has 6-7 zip codes. None of that is trumps fault.

    But the shifting towards partisan politics is trump ( and bitch McConnell) fault. The talk of red and blue states is his fault. During a pandemic? That’s leadership? George Bush didn’t talk about ” blue ” after 911. The virus has killed thousands more.

    If you can look at all of that, and still say he’s doing great, and he’s a good leader, then you’re not being honest or you just won’t see facts and evidence on the ground, and nothing he does or anything anyone says will ever penetrate.

    We still have a long way to go.

    I’ve had many presidents I didn’t like or that I thought were untrustworthy leaders, but I never wanted any of them to fail because I didn’t like them. That’s a childish and retarded mindset. The entire federal government is a roiling shitshow. It’s been that way all of my life. So I never expected any man, whether I liked him or not, to magically make the beast work for people in an emergency that wasn’t war related.

    All of the talk isn’t actually changing anything, actions are. Trump has taken action, and I’d like him to tweet less and action more. Less freewheeling pressers and more action without trying to blame or take credit. Less firing and more diligent hiring.

    Trump walks away from bankruptcies. He can’t do that with the country.

    This is all I have to say about him. I know where I’m commenting 😁 and logic will fall to the dust in favor of feelz.

    And that’s cool because reality is a motherfucker when you try to avoid it.

  4. Yollo, that is romantic fantasy. Just when a man gets what he wants, or a woman figures out how to apease him then they are no longer satisfied. This is a paradox of relationships. He can never stop spinning plates in some form even if just to keep his choice interested. See ” women want men that other women want” and we are all up for the challenge.

  5. “Cuomo says the virus in New York appears to have come from Italy.”

    No sh1t, Sherlock.

    Context. Mindset. Sherman set the dial on the time machine to Feb. 2020. Fauci was saying “no problemo”. Fauci was believed. The media trusted and still trusts Fauci. Because the media are a bunch of drive by fakk ups. Who are easily led by “experts.” Who ooh and ahh over academics. Stupid sheeple. And, unfortunately, people tend to believe the media.

    People weren’t ready for a total ban of all flights. Not with 15 infections. Not that it would have made a whole helluva lot of difference because the virus is just so dam infectious. At least in subway states. (Not Missouri.) Trump got so much pushback just for banning flights from China. Even before the pandemic was declared.

    What was the mission? Stop the virus? Prevent infections? No, it was “smooth the curve.” Was the mission accomplished? Yes. Hospitals were stressed, but generally not overwhelmed. The mercy ship was hardly used.

    Were docs learning about the virus while its spread was mitigated? Yes.

    I don’t recall Trump doing much blaming of Fauci. You find that at sites like gateway pundit, Redstate, and conservativetreehouse. (They aren’t drive bys. Those sites do their homework.) Neither have I heard Fauci admitting his foulups.

    “now it’s China creating the virus and releasing it.”

    Creating the virus, likely, but not proved. Releasing it? Maybe by accident and negligence. Or by malice because the CCP thought that they could gain an advantage somehow.

    “Don’t drink disinfectant btw.

    But that doesn’t count….”

    a Darwin Award test, lol

    “and that he has comprehension issues”

    in your mind maybe…somehow POTUS was able to figure out hydroxychloroquine was important…even though he’s not a doctor…

    “But the shifting towards partisan politics is trump ( and bitch McConnell) fault. “

    Yeah, couldn’t be the fault of the drive by media or the dems. You know. The impeachment thingie and the constant attempts to “gotcha” POTUS. Yeah, couldn’t be their fault. They were totally behind POTUS all the time.

    Context matters. December was impeachment. The pandemic was a “possible” of unknown properties. January was the trial and on into Feb. Fauci saying no problem. Other experts sounding alarms and taking them back. Lots of uncertainty. Experts contradicting one another. More uncertainty. The WHO saying in December that there was no evidence of human to human transmission of the Wuhan Virus. Then sounding a low-level alarm in January while covering for China. Then more dithering by the WHO. Then finally sounding the pandemic alarm in March. The experts. But Trump should have known before WHO back in November because some defense types sounded a low-level alarm even before WHO or CDC. Huh? [Tucker Carlson quizzical look]

    Why don’t you ever blame China or the dems or the experts or the media for anything? wtf is wrong with you? And what’s with all this Monday morning quarterbacking based on what we know and whining that we didn’t act properly because we didn’t know then what we know now?

    Sh1t.

    SMH

    (I already told you what I blame Trump for that he had solid info about and didn’t do sh!t.)

  6. @asd

    I don’t follow US politics day to day, but the basic rule of business is that if you are the CEO, you are responsible, period. That is his job. Good leaders surround themselves with people more clever then they are.

    Trump has the power to replace Fauci or any advising expert at any time. He does not, and that is his responsibility. He had a once in a lifetime opportunity to step up as a leader. Normally during crisis the acting government always gets more supported, as – again, normally – a country should unite against external enemy. Look at 9/11.

    It is another question if Trump or a demented semi-pedophile would be a better leader from November, it is a quite sad affair in itself.

  7. I don’t follow US politics day to day, but the basic rule of business is that if you are the CEO, you are responsible, period

    Politics is a different business…

  8. HF

    The problem is, this nation has been becoming more and more divided. Some people like and thrive off of that division for selfish reasons.

    Yes, the buck always stops with the man/people charge, period.

    Crazy shit like adult men saying that media is to blame while at the same time touting media they like that aligns with their idealism and world view is media that ” does it’s homework “.

    My opinion has always been that we as a nation could become too stupid to survive. It’s A possibility. Rome, Greece, Egypt, Khan….history. Nobody’s special, no matter how they believe they are. Do dumb shit, become a footnote.

    Lots of commenters here seem to believe that they are ” safe ” where they live, so they talk crazy shit 😅. Viruses spread. It’s what they do. We’re at 70,000 dead and rising. No end to the spread in sight. Where I live is starting to level off, but I’m still very concerned about the other 48 states.

    I pray they don’t have to learn the hard way.

    Six figure death toll projections should be sobbering, not just blown off.

    Covid19 doesn’t care about infighting or politics or ignorance. It’s only wants an opportunity.

  9. @Sentient

    The requirements for being a good leader are not different. I know that in politics the goal is not to be a good leader, but to be reelected, and in that sense taking responsibility is not the good move. But even in that sense he doesn’t play the game very well. If the democrats could field an at least semi-acceptable candidate Trump would have no chance. He is extremely lucky to have Biden. I do think he will destroy him in a one-on-one debate and that could save his mismanagement of the current situation.

    @kfg:

    It seems the Harvard study you mentioned got some followers:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52557718

    Germany, in common with other countries, is wary of a second surge in infections. If new infections rise to above 50 people in every 100,000 in a district over a seven-day period, then it will be up to the local authority in the affected area to reimpose restrictions.

    It will be interesting to see how this will unfold.

    @Blaximus
    You are right, nothing lasts forever. Personally I don’t care that much about empires to be honest. What I care about if the “empire” I live in (EU) will be gone like Rome, with total collapse and barbarians coming, or like the British Empire with peaceful dissolution.

  10. Good leaders surround themselves with people more clever then they are.

    Have you seen what has happened to people once they start working for Trump?
    As an outsider, he didn’t have 5000 of his closest friends and associates to place into power the minute he took office (unlike others). He hired the folks he thought would be best for the job.
    Their lives are ruined, purposefully.
    By people whose motivations are not what is best for the country, but best for themselves.
    Hard to get clever people to continue to sign up for that.

  11. Guys, what do you think of this comment I found on youtube?

    For a a start, it’s almost unreadable just due to the wall-of-text format.
    Second, no evidence of actually understanding reality i.e. The Glasses / Red Pill.

    If that comment was in Field Reports I guess I might make a reply. But it’s in comments on YT, apparently under one of Rollo’s vids, so not worth the time to correct all the errors in that forum.

    Why did you bring it here?

  12. There’s an awful lot of truth in what Liz said.

    Facts.

    But some people were absolutely not qualified, but it’s the President right to hire whoever he wants, and take the criticism.

    I watched a large segment of the population doggedly attack a president for eight years, and I think that’s unpatriotic as fuck, so no, I’m not at all for attacking the current guy. It solves nothing.

    Goose/gander shouldn’t apply, but it’s par for the course nowadays. ” us” against ” them “, rearranging chairs on titanics deck.

    I’m all.for.critisism. I’m against attacks.

    HF

    I’m a bit of a history buff. I can’t help it, and much of it was accidental. Many rabbit holes.

    There hasn’t been a successful nation that has ever survived long term mismanagement and growing divisions. Never. This country dodged a bullet with civil war. Unbelievably there is a growing voice for get another civil war here. Idiots marching and yelling and screaming while carrying semi auto rifles and some with nazi flags.

    Wtf?

    A dangerous minority of people that seem clueless and angry.

    And ” media ” covers them relentlessly.

    So much anger.

    Yet they vote the same moronic representatives into office over and over for decades.

    It’s makes no logical sense.

    But it’s a great reason to keep the complaining and anger up. Gives some folks something to occupy their time.

  13. American patriotism is displayed by support of the Constitution and thus the offices it creates.
    The Constitution and thus the country it defines is explicitly set up to doggedly criticize individuals who hold an office.

    The country was created with division and embraces that division. That’s why we have states with full governments which can operate entirely independently of the federal government. The idea of Continuation of Government at the federal level is a corruption of the system which is designed to continue at the state and county levels in time of crisis.

    Cui bono?

    What makes the current division in politics different and a problem is that the division is over the Constitution itself, the very existence of the country as an entity.

    Politics now isn’t fighting over who has possession of the football. It’s fighting over whether the stadium should be maintained or nuked from orbit.

  14. PalmaSailor
    He was banging a green activist

    I wonder, do vegans swallow?

    Am I the only one that thinks she convinced him to shut down the world on the basis of some lunatic activism ?

    Yeah, you probably are.

    Got to enjoy the spectacle of Dr. Shutdown getting caught breaking his own rules to get some nookie on the side. But I doubt she was the driver of ye olde shutdown.

  15. Kfg

    I agree.

    Most Americans don’t really know what the constitution states. I know approximately 75-80 % most times, but it’s a lot to remember in detail insofar as what all of the amendments state by article/number. I think many people are only acquainted with amendments 1, 2 ( especially 2 ) and 4.

    If we don’t know at least most of what’s in the constitution, we can’t have any realistic understanding of what the nation is or what it’s supposed to be.

    And you might hear a president say that he has total authority or some shit like that.😎

    ” press ” is in their for very good reasons.

    As far as a ” living document ” goes, our constitution is pretty damn good, as long as we are cognizant of when it’s being ignored or trampled upon, and since a majority of out leadership don’t seem to be constitutional experts, that is always a distinct possibility.

    Cries of” they’re out ta get me ” are usually with merit. That’s the way it’s set up.

  16. Blax

    It’s pretty normal to come home from a hunt 60,000 years ago and find that you didn’t die, and you might have come home with food, and your tribe is doing well.

    It is a normal human experience to want to feel well. To feel good about one’s local community not being infected and dying is a pretty normal thing to feel and to say. It’s pretty normal for one individual to be glad not to have morbid cancer, debilitating disease or any pathology.

    Which has nothing to do with higher level having empathy, compassion and concern for other areas that are getting hit.

    And that goes over the watershed area of In-group Altruism and Out-group Malice that we discussed earlier. Including the exposition by Sebastian Junger in his book Tribes. That is often a WTF? moment in the United States. With good reason. And it goes back to evo-bio and evo-psych.

    You get large groups, you get the opposite dynamic. That’s human nature.

    And you can pick one of two Trump/Hillary or Trump/Biden and you can take your container of intellect with a label on it, and fill it with emotions, feelings, and ego. And then you can rage against those that have different container/box and don’t share the same intellect, emotions, feelings and ego. And shake your fist at them. Good luck with that for the sake of your tribe/community/like-minded people…

    In large groups, no, human’s can’t all just get along. That’s not how they (humans) are constructed. And yes, two party politics are designed to be adversarial–you said you followed history.

    What are you (rhetorically) going to do about it?

  17. @kfg

    “What makes the current division in politics different and a problem is that the division is over the Constitution itself, the very existence of the country as an entity.”

    This is why you see democrats like Turley and Dershowitz and Taibbi siding with people who have my views against their fellow democrats who are tending towards authoritarianism. I hold a lot of the same views as classical liberals. It totally feels weird having those three guys as co-belligerents.

    There’s a constitutional scholar at Harvard arguing against liberty. So it looks like the left is seriously undermining the constitution. If I had to choose between Trump as dictator and Sanders, no question I’d choose Trump. He’d be far more benign. Sanders is of the “you can’t make an omelette without…” way of thinking.

  18. SJF

    I know I’m speaking/writing in English, and I think I’m presenting clear thought,.So something else just be causing the disconnect between us.

    I don’t shake my fist in rage or whatever. Not my style. Game and my upbringing inform everything. Large groups, as you say, only ever served to sharpen my ability to read people’s intentions and motives. The larger and more diverse the group, the better honed the ability became. You think/believe/ feel small tribe like isolated groups are best. They aren’t actually, but I understand your point and reasoning. Tiny know!edge base s produce tiny know!edge.s

    This is how and why so many people can see horrible stuff happen and just shrug their shoulders ( and I mean generally, not covid specific ). I had to learn, through game, how that mindset develops, and it’s thousands of years old – and it didn’t originate here but it was imported. We have very different descriptions of ” tribe ” informed by different mindsets.

    No, understanding prevents rage and unnecessary emotion. Frustration is different than emotion the way you infer.

    I care about Hillary and Biden or any politician as much as they ” care ” about me. I’m beholden to no ” party “. If you study the last hundred years ( a very narrow time frame ) you’d understand why that is. Anger and that shaking isn’t productive and is completely useless..mostly. Last week I watched a bunch of angry, first shaking idiots with rifles in a gov’t building screaming and yelling like infants at feeding time.

    Don’t group me with that mindset.

    Lol, my fists aren’t for shaking unless I’m dancing, and I have no yelling and screaming once I became a man. My bushmaster isn’t for intimidation. I’m not more of a man with it.

    I’m not 100% clear on what your point is. I don’t get what kind of box you think I fit into.

    I haven’t read the same books you keep referring to. Don’t need them. At 58 I have most things sorted and I don’t need many abstract mind exercises. Show and prove has been much more fulfilling and error free.

    What am I.going to do about it? 😁

    Teach. It’s up to the students. You wanna talk about Red Pill? I hand them out in bulk almost daily. The students can get it, swallowing the bitterness, or they can stay plugged in. But fist shaking isn’t an option.

    I grew up with a phrase, ” each one, reach one, teach one “. Not just with your tribe or small group or community, but everyone that could benefit.

    We don’t see things exactly the same, so it makes it harder when you try to extrapolate where I’m coming from. No big deal.

    My tribe is global and I’m still meeting them.

    Too bad we must get old and die. 😊

  19. @HF @Blaximus

    For the record, under Trumps leadership, thank God! The United States of America is ranked in 13th place for deaths per million population.

    1st.San Marino 1208 dpm
    2nd.Belgium 720 dpm
    3rd. Andora 595 dpm
    4th . Spain 553 dpm
    5th . Italy 491 dpm
    6th . UK 443 dpm
    7th . France 395 dpm
    8th . Sint Maarten 327 dpm
    9th . Netherlands 304 dpm
    10th . Sweden 291 dpm
    11th . Ireland 278 dpm
    12th .Isle of Man 270 dpm
    13th . USA 224 dpm

  20. “I hold a lot of the same views as classical liberals.”

    The view of classical liberalism is that the “left” stands for secular republicanism. i.e. that America is inherently “leftist.”

    “So it looks like the left is seriously undermining the constitution.”

    So, going by what I can infer you mean here by “left” (which is neither left nor liberal) the “left” has no intent to undermine the constitution. They intend to toss it in the fire by any means necessary and replace it with their own autocratic rule. Many of them, if not most, really hope that “by any means necessary” means a river of blood.

  21. 😅😆

    Left, liberal, people have their own definitions.

    Since coming to the ” sphere ” it’s been amazing and fascinating reading along as folks rail against the ” left ” for everything under the sun. It’s constant and unwavering and almost unbelievable at times.

    It’s like the unseen/seen hands of evil everywhere doing all manner of badness.

    Lol, a guy standing at a bus stop can casually be described as a liberal lefty, just by how he stands.

    Us vs them.

    All the time.

  22. … there were some experiments done about that phenomenon. I need to revisit the footage.

  23. Blax

    You are speaking and writing in Blaximese. And yes you are and have always definitely presented clear thought. I’ve never seen a non-clear thought come out of your type-writer fingers. You get an A+ for clear masculine thought. And good thought, no less.

    We are most always disconnected. We are black and white. With no racial pejorative. At all. Trust me.

    “I don’t shake my fist in rage or whatever.”

    Yes you do. You have your container ideas and I have mine. They are called frame of reference. We are different. You have rage about my unicornland, which is a mock joke by the way–and you take to heart, and loathe. I’m not dead yet.

    But every joke has some reality. And we all know ASD has his little ticky-tacky box which is not all bad for him. It allows him to make sense of his frame and his container box.

    If you want more back story on this Container Box and container words, it is a thing which Rian Stone developed in an essay, yet hard to understand.

    https://www.rianstone.com/blog/2019/4/29/container-words

    But it ties into this thing about tribes. You don’t have to read the same books I read to understand how things were in the old days.

    And fuck your understanding about tribes of 75 in the old, old days. I don’t for a minute think that was good. In today’s society, we are past that. Sebastian Junger wrote about it and how great it was in the old days. That have passed. And in the military in Afghanistan, where you stuck with your band of brothers. Or else.

    But these days: If I was a farmer I’d prefer to supply the hundred thousands. If I were a doctor I’d prefer to heal the 10,000’s. We now live in a big society and can’t circle the tribe. (ref. Jack Donovan’s The Way of Men…) It’s not possible

    It’s not for a want of small tribes. You are missing evo-psych, evo-bio, epi-genetics, etc. Look at how much trouble you have pushing your ideas on young men. How many follow you along and can just get what you are trying to say? Probably about the Pareto Principle Percentage, right?

    “Large groups, as you say, only ever served to sharpen my ability to read people’s intentions and motives. The larger and more diverse the group, the better honed the ability became.”

    Right, that is precisely the point, Sherlock. The larger the group, the larger their pendulum, the more you could see through their shit. !!! Right on.

    Good people don’t shrug their shoulders at seeing shit. That is what good humans don’t do.

    And fuck you if you think I do that.

    And I know all about mindset. My profession is a pressure cooker for that stuff.

    And I love to pressure cook food. Because it comes out the other end with more, better clarity.

    And I will group you with the mindset that you present.

    And my point is: All bets are off when you have a big group of people in the United States. After all “United States” is a euphemism– “a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing. There is nothing united in the states these days. That is self evident.

    So is you’re: can’t we just get along as humans. You are a good man Blaximus, and your intentions are noble. So are mine. You just don’t see me in the practice of it. But you don’t get carte blanche to just wish all that to be true. And that is not pejorative from me, it’s just observing observable things that go on on a regular basis.

    “Lol, my fists aren’t for shaking unless I’m dancing, and I have no yelling and screaming once I became a man. My bushmaster isn’t for intimidation. I’m not more of a man with it.”

    Went right over your head–about you shaking your fists. It’s quite a common thing for you. To do. Even if you are only talking about cops and cars. And if your Testosterone wasn’t so high, it would otherwise be called impotence at teaching the other 80% of your boys how to perform in this New Jersey/New York World.

    “I grew up with a phrase, ” each one, reach one, teach one “. Not just with your tribe or small group or community, but everyone that could benefit.”

    Yeah, Blax, thats a common man up saying. That is the so total medical residency saying when it’s pretty scary as a newbie neophyte to learn how to stick things into patients. Like a subclavian line for setting up a central line monitor, or an intubation, or jamming a chest tube into a patient with a pneumothorax, etc. There we call it “See One, Do One, Teach One” in training.

    “We don’t see things exactly the same, so it makes it harder when you try to extrapolate where I’m coming from. “

    Right Back At You. Lol, I see you, you don’t see me…

    From your own words:

    Us vs them.

    All the time.

    It’s not only them that do that, there exists psychological projection in those six words.

    Peace, man.

  24. Many of them, if not most, really hope that “by any means necessary” means a river of blood.

    And it ain’t their blood they are thinking about.

  25. Blaximus
    I watched a large segment of the population doggedly attack a president for eight years,

    It’s true, Reagan had some determined haters. Not just John Hinckley.

  26. SJF

    We been doing this for years now.😁

    I actually like doing this with you. Doing it with Asd makes my skull ache.

    Fwiw, I’ve had more success with young men than not. It’s about 70% positive outcomes vs 30% cant/won’t see it.

    It really is no different than what guys that come here have to do, with understanding ” how it works and why, and the mechanisms driving things, and how they are ingrained “. The guys have to painfully drop almost everything they think they know, the things that have been taught to them that foster failure and death. Their blue pill.

    I had a young men call me yesterday for some thoughts. Young guys do have stuff to grapple with other than the usual stuff. The young man, aged 21 , asked me if I was the video of the guys tracking down and shooting the guy in Georgia jogging. I had seen it. Then he asked me if I’d heard about or read the official police report that was contradicted by the video. I had.

    He took a deep breathe, as he knows I’ll hang up if hysterics start. Don’t want to hear that.

    I asked him ” what are y’all young men going to do? “, and he said ” at this point, I don’t have any ideas what we can do “. So I told him, ” then eventually most of y’all will be shot dead. Maybe women can take up your cause and right for your lives? “. He was angry, but he didn’t bite. Woo I said ” maybe I’ll start shooting y’all too. Doesn’t seen to be any consequences for that, and I could use the target practice “.

    Lol, it was a solid minute of silence on his end. So I asked him ” what do men in authority respect? ” , he answered ” money, power and violence “. I told him that was 100% true from the lowest ghettos to the highest office and corporations on earth. It’s all the same regardless of how the con tells you it’s ” different”.

    Thoughtful blue pill men have great difficulty with harshness. Even when harshness is 6 inches in front of them repeatedly. Looking for ” justice ” and finding ” just us “. Keep your head down and follow the rules, get a boot in the ass. Don’t complain.

    So no, it’s not easy, and no I won’t stop. Unlike the ex mayor of my city who once said about the gun violence, ” nobody’s shooting at me ” ( which I show younger guys who were babies when that candid shit was spewed ), I believe once guy understand the mechanisms and evo-bio, if you will, they can begin to grasp what the actual fight is.

    Anne fortunately I can also talk to district attorneys, the mayor and the police chief as well.

    Very little but helps.

    I could call on senator booker, but he’s as blue as it gets so he’s a last, desperate resort.

    These young men, they must do as I did. You talk to the police, patrolman to captain to commissioner. You talk to your mayor, councilmen, state Senate, federal representative.

    No ” .us vs them”. That’s a fools gambit because you haven’t learned to exercise and circumvent power when necessary.

    Lol, so yes, some men run away screaming when they hear that, assuming I’m stark raving mad.

    There’s more than one red pill, and all of them can be a motherfucker.

    Peace to you too bro.

    ( P.s. If I have a debilitating stroke, all these young men better come to the rehab and help me drink water and wipe the drool out of my beard.😂)

  27. Sentient

    Lol, you are correct about the trump and I. I understand him because at points in my youth I though somewhat like him. I used to depend on talking< i/> my way into and out of things.

    I had to push away from that. It has an expiration date.

    I do not hate Donald trump. I just don’t respect him as a man, and that’s my personal opinion based on observation. My opinion of him hasn’t hindered him at all, lol.

    Donald has quite a level of ” thug ” in him, but it’s not true thuggishness, but it’s enough to help him push through to get what he wants.

    I understand him and what he says. I even u understand why he says it. I just wish he wouldn’t and that he understood why he shouldn’t.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he stood behind the podium and the presidential seal and looked out into the audience and said ” fuck your feelings “.😂😂😂 he’s thinking it.

  28. “So, going by what I can infer you mean here by “left” (which is neither left nor liberal) the “left” has no intent to undermine the constitution. They intend to toss it in the fire by any means necessary and replace it with their own autocratic rule. Many of them, if not most, really hope that “by any means necessary” means a river of blood.”

    Indeed. The protests against lockdown are a hopeful sign that men will fight against the theft of their liberty. And the protests seem to be somewhat organized. And the men are carrying weapons at some of the protests. The hairdresser in Texas who was arrested has already raised 90k for her legal expenses. Lol @ the mayor, prosecutor, and police chief. Countersuits can be a b1tch. The left is organized via Antifa and Soros is funding them. The right is currently organizing and is more populist. I suspect that these protests are some of what POTUS was hoping would happen. Popular movements for liberty.

    The right better not rely on gofundme. That can and probably will be shut down. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some organizational accounts frozen in some banks.

  29. So law and order are subjective now.

    Got it.

    First law and order was paramount ( i!legals, drugs, crime – things there are laws against ). But now it’s a liberty free for all.

    Why now?

    What’s changed?

    Your homework assignment,nor you choose to accept it : Google Black Panthers, Rona!d Reagan, long guns, capitol.

    Then Google the law change that happened afterwards for extra credit

    History son.

  30. Shit. I just noticed towards the end of the video another friend on the drums, Omar Hakim.

    I don’t believe old folks should dwell in the past too much, but man the 80s and 90s were a hell of a lot of fun.

    Except for the near bankruptcy and divorce thing.

  31. Blax, I saw something that made me laugh and think of you…

    “Earlier this week, Atlantic magazine – fast becoming the favored media outlet for self-styled intellectual elites of the Aspen Institute type”

  32. Blaximus
    So law and order are subjective now.

    Who are you arguing with in this comment? Anyone in particular?

  33. Blax, what is your point? Do you think that those Michigan rednecks were breaking some sort of law? (By the way, I was actually in the Michigan Capitol building several months ago just touring. A funny coincidence.)

  34. Oh, I have a “dad” story which is also a game story. Daughter Gamer was going to do a phone interview with a medical group which had trained her during her fellowship. Some of the docs in the group had been fans of hers, but they had left the group. The remaining docs weren’t fans, but they were desperate for someone to help with the load, so they made a half-hearted move. Low interest in DG. Her reputation with the group was low. Game needed. Because DG didn’t project the image of a confident professional physician. Too chatty and easy going and she looks young and doesn’t always stand up for herself. Image. Not due to problems with proficiency or competence.

    Daughter Gamer told me about the upcoming interview the night before. She hadn’t prepared for the interview and was just going to wing it. So I chatted with her about questions that I thought that the group would ask–especially about why she left her full time employment.

    Daughter Gamer had been abused by her previous employer while working as a new mother and she hadn’t stood up for herself. There was an instance where one of her patients had died and the employer complained to the state medical board. DG was exonerated by the board. (The actual problem was that her supervisor couldn’t see a leg clot on an image and refused to allow another operation to remove the clot and the patient’s leg died and the patient died. Old f@rt vision.)

    Some anonymous person from the employer had put an article on DG’s desk about a doctor who had been abusing drugs and killing patients and ended up in prison. More abuse.

    The employer refused to let DG operate which she needed to do to get cases so that she could take the board exam to get certified in her specialty. DG was ordered to follow her supervisor around merely observing like she was a medical student instead of an attending physician. Major abuse.

    All because she didn’t tell the employer that she was pregnant when she applied for the job. (Yes, I know that what the employer did was sexual harassment.)

    The employer had fired all three of their last new hires. One of the firings was likely manufactured. The other was petty over the employer holding up state licensing of a doc employee which the employer had submitted because the doc had tendered a resignation. So the doc protested and was fired immediately. Employer has a red flag.

    So DG made sure that she had her story clear and could tell it smoothly.

    And we covered questions like professional ambition. “Where do you want to be in five years? Ten years.”

    “What is your greatest weakness?” “Who would you like to eat dinner with if you could choose anyone?”

    And we covered not volunteering anything where her baby might take precedence over her career. But if asked a question about a potential conflict between the baby and her work, to be honest, but present it in a favorable light. “Would you trust a woman who doesn’t put her children first? But I can both work and take care of my children. And I want a career–not just a job.” The interviewers would be looking for this attitude.

    I asked DG the next day how the interview went. Great. Did the interviewers ask any of the questions she prepared for? Every. Single. One. The prospective employer made her an offer to work full time for a short term. She declined and suggested that they split short term gigs between her and another person. The prospective employer accepted. The prospective employer was anxious to get her on board. DG has several gigs and she would have to turn down some. She asked for more money and the prospective employer agreed. As Dad suggested. Get them chasing. Game.

    Dad advice stock is at an all time high.

  35. Internment camps in Ventura County…

    surely you jest…don’t call me Shirley…

    “Ventura County officials in California announced plans to remove infected residents with the Wuhan virus from their homes and place them in quarantine centers.”

    Oh, but that’s just for covid patients.

    Health official: We have Mr. Gamer’s name on the list. Go get him.

    Sheriff: Mr. Gamer, come with me.

    Gamer: Where?

    Sheriff: You are being quarantined for covid.

    Gamer: I don’t have covid.

    Sheriff: County Health says you do. Come with me peacefully if you don’t want to be cuffed.

    Gamer goes peacefully and is transported to a Ventura Health location where he is locked in a van with other people, some of whom are coughing and not masked. At the camp, Gamer is tested for covid after a couple of days and the test is positive.

    Think it couldn’t happen?

  36. @Blaximus

    News today that Flynn was exonerated. For being trapped about lying.

    Then Chris Christy’s deputies also. On legal grounds by the Supreme Court.

    Seems the shutdown by the Christy deputies was a dick move.

    I don’t know what that was all about.

    What do you know and say about the highway shut-down back then?

  37. The mayor of fort lee refused or reneged on supporting Christie politically/for election.

    Christie’s subordinates thought it would be peachy to shut down a majority of the lanes across the George Washington bridge before morning rush hour completely unannounced and without cause. The resulting traffic jam snarled traffic throughout the city of fort Lee all day and into the evening hours. Hardly anything could move, including police and emergency services.

    Text messages and phone conversations between the actors that arranged this nonsense were part of the evidence.

    There was no evidence that Krispy…er….Christie ordered or had any knowledge that the closure was happening.

    The court was incorrect. Somebody should be in jail.

    When this first happened it was common knowledge that years would pass, until the public was no longer enraged or paying attention, before the parties would magically be exonerated.

    And here we are.

    A travesty.

    Par.

    Btw, Christie is a evil, mean son of a bitch. He was always under investigation when he was a prosecutor for throwing his weight around….no pun. His subordinates just followed his lead to make the boss happy.

    If memory serves, a man died in an ambulance stuck in traffic that day.

    Of well, I guess it just sucks to be him because no one was at fault according to the court.

  38. Btw, over 100 million cars cross the gwb every year.

    Ordering lanes closed for no reason is much more than a prank or a mistake.

  39. “Btw, Christie is a evil, mean son of a bitch”

    He also was quite unattractive, including the Covid un-haircut on Fox Laura Ingraham. With fat oil glands on the face. (sebaceous hyperplasia in technical terms) Sad looking guy, doing the best he can with little in terms of looks. Same as it ever was.

    Like I said, Dick Political Move, got exonerated on technical terms. Not a federal self-money-grab by the deputies, technicality. And not a federal case. A local N.J. issue.

    Sad. Local politics.

    But pales–less impressive or important, as old news, compared to current news, the pandemic.

    A distraction to the tragedy.

  40. News: Mueller prosecutor Van Grack resigns from the Flynn case…in Judge Sullivan’s court. Maybe it was a protest? Van Grack resigned from two other cases in Sullivan’s court. Still think it’s a protest? (Maybe it was risky to Van Grack’s freedom to appear before an angry judge.)

    Other news…

    Dr. Birx at a presser was asked about covid counting and answered candidly…skip to 45 secs

    What does this mean for us and shutdown? Who is really at risk from covid? What was the plan? What would an end to shutdown mean for Birx and Fauci?

  41. Blax, you don’t understand medical stuff. I get that. So I’ll give you a FREE (you fakking lazy @$$ moneygrubber, lol) lesson.

    Virus types vary in virulence. (I alliterated all over myself.) The flu is much less virulent than covid. The spread of flu is far less than covid. In terms of spread, covid will infect probably five times as many Americans as the flu did. Maybe 70-80%, half of whom won’t even show symptoms. And the spread will concentrate more in the east coast megalopolis because of subways–even when looking at the concentration as a percent of the local population. Not so much in Wyoming. “All” was a bit of hyperbole, but not a lot.

    The severity of a viral infection depends a lot on how many virus particles you got (called viral “load”) when you were initially infected. Packed subway cars concentrate viral particles and increase the severity of a viral infection. If the viral load is high enough when they are infected, even healthy individuals can have a severe case of covid. It works the same for flu or any viral disease.

  42. Continuing my previous comment, people with comorbidities like diabetes, heart disease, and kidney disease are more at risk from covid than healthy people. People with comorbidities are more likely to die from covid than healthy people. Men are more likely to die from covid than are women. Old people are more likely to die from covid than young people. And nursing home residents because they are old, sick people.

    So the risk from covid varies.

  43. “Blax, you don’t understand medical stuff…”

    I probably know more ” medical stuff ” than your daughter.

    You have no idea.

  44. Every single human can catch the virus.

    Every single human will drown if they are submerged in water for an hour.

    Concentration matters, yes.

    Doesn’t mean you’re ” safe “.

    Lots of people believe that.

    Hence, lockdown.

  45. “I probably know more ” medical stuff ” than your daughter.”

    Lol, sure.

    “Doesn’t mean you’re ” safe “.

    Lots of people believe that.”

    Almost a song…”There’s 50 ways to kill a brother…”

    You die in a wreck, Beck

    Go down with the flu, Lou

    Swim and you drown, Brown

    Just listen to meeeeee

    Gotta wonder if we want a lot of men eating bullets over lockdown.

    There may be a resurgence of blues…

    “Breadlines and Suicides”

    “Let Me Out”

    “Sneakin’ Out the Back Way”

    “The Covid Nineteen Blues”

    “I’m Stuck At Home with No Booze”

  46. Johann Liebert

    I have been dumped, I thought she was the One.

    So what?

    Go fuck yourself.

    Are you the punk that was sock-puppetting?

    If so, you are persona non grata here.

  47. “Yup. It’s a big, funny joke.”

    Peculiar thing about humor–laughter helps your immune system. Laughter decreases stress and increases endorphins. All good for the immune system and mental health.

    Reader’s Digest was correct. Laughter is the best medicine. Good music is a close second.

  48. So what?

    Go fuck yourself.

    Are you the punk that was sock-puppetting?

    If so, you are persona non grata here.

    Who says I need a ticket to come here?

  49. “Who says I need a ticket to come here?”

    You are unacceptable and unwanted here because of your posting behavior.

    So good luck with that.

    And go troll somewhere else.

  50. @SJF

    Look, I might be unacceptable to you, but you can always change your mind. I’m not pessimistic anymore, mark my word.

  51. “A second chance doesn’t mean you’re in the clear. In many ways, it is the more difficult thing. Because a second chance means that you have to try harder. You must rise to the challenge without the blind optimism of ignorance.” –Ling Ma

    You know better. And you have more responsibility.

    And

    “Sometimes goodbye is a second chance” –Shinedown

  52. “I got sleepy seeing your quotes. TL;DR.”

    So what you are saying is that you are young, lazy and want short cuts.

    “Ask anything about Intersexual Dynamics, folks.”

    No, you go to Field Reports and tell us about yourself. Including your parents, uncles, other adult males and your best friends as role models and you getting to where you are now. And your inter-sexual experiences. And your status in life. What have you accomplished in life? Or is there not much to tell?

    Or else no free drama or instructions for you.

    And you can stop being a passive-aggressive dick any time now.

  53. https://www.frontpagemag.com

    😂😂😂

    You read some odd shit. Every story…not biased at all.

    You are a sucker. A likeable sucker, but a sucker nonetheless.

    But thanks. Your links make me laugh and I share them with everybody I can. ( even if they say ” stop sending me this retarded bullshit…”)

  54. @Blax

    Yeah, I always assume bias. But somehow I guess you live in Never Never Landia where some sources are unbiased? [shrug]

    I always assume that I have to do due diligence and separate the baby from the bathwater. I was doing that today over at gateway pundit where I was reaming Hoft for not getting corroboration about a claim. It was good for him and he needed to hear it.

    At least Hoft takes feedback. Like most of the right wing media. Breitbart. TheConservativeTreehouse. RedState.

    The drive by media, not so much.

    But you go ahead and read your “trusted, unbiased sources.” If it makes you feel happy.

  55. I’ve been with this blog for some time now. Why Blax and asdgamer always busy in fighting? Blax is a black guy who married a Korean, asdgamer is an Autistic white guy who married a Filipino, especially Blax lies that he had many sexual experience then why both he and his friend married Asian? Why Blax tells to use hands to satisfy women? I’m guesssing Blax is an autistic too because like attracts like. This blog is full of fake faces, I’m outta here.

  56. Well.

    I’m not a geneticist but I know my wife isn’t Korean.

    I’m also pretty sure I’m not autistic, but honestly, I’ve never been tested.

  57. Ginger
    I’ve been with this blog for some time now. Why Blax and asdgamer always busy in fighting?

    Everyone needs a hobby.

  58. Now that we can see that Future Shock is mostly concocted for political reasons and covid wasn’t much of an issue outside of the northeast megalopolis…but it might come back in the fall/winter…

    I still have a question and I hope that a doctor will answer it. Deep dive coming…

    Lancet had an article bashing HC use in hospitals. The authors used data (which may be bogus, but we’ll assume not for the sake of discussion) which went as far back as Dec. 2019.

    https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/image001.png

    Now covid is a novel disease. This means that clinicians were learning about covid and learning how to treat covid. This means that care protocols changed with time. Protocols in Mar. must have changed a great deal from Dec. And maybe April from Mar.

    Let’s look at how protocols might have changed. I’m basing this discussion off of a FEW docs who posted on the web. So take it with a block of salt.

    In Dec. ED docs were using qSOFA and pO2<94 to diagnose severity of covid. I suspect that qSOFA was abandoned for covid patients and the pO2<94 was changed to some other number. Early on, ED docs quickly transferred patients to the ICU. ICU docs treated covid patients whom they thought presented typical ARDS according to the protocol at the time. So, earlier in the pandemic, patients were aggressively vented with high PEEP settings based on their pO2 level, resulting in massive barotrauma. High mortality ensued.

    ICUs filled up and ED docs started looking for other options. They noticed that covid patients presenting pO2 of 90+ were still lucid and not in distress. Hypoxemic, but not hypercapnic. So the ED docs stopped referring their moderate covid patients to the ICU. Instead, the docs started treating with NC/mask/O2 and sent the moderate patients home with an O2 tank.

    ICU docs also started looking at options. Maybe asking, “Why are we venting lucid patients? Covid patients are presenting atypic ARDS. Should we be using the Berlin def. of ARDS for covid patients? And if we vent, should we be using lower PEEP settings?” But hospital protocols are often rigid and ICU docs may not have had latitude everywhere. So barotrauma and mortality came down slower than docs might have hoped. But there was progress in places. Some maybe started using CPAP. Other places not, because of the increased risk of spreading covid.

    Docs were looking for drugs to treat covid patients. Family med., ED, ICU. Family med docs saw the mild/moderate cases. All these specialties tried hydroxychloroquine (HC). Zelenko (family med) did his first vid and maybe other family med docs noticed it and used his protocol. Maybe more in red states than in blue states. But the rate of covid hospitalization didn’t spike because of HC treatment. Family med docs saw value in Zelenko’s protocol. But ED and ICU docs had tried it without success. So they reported that they had given up on HC.

    So why didn’t HC work for ED and ICU docs? Maybe because iatrogenic barotrauma masked any benefit from HC. In any case, they abandoned it in some places. Especially where there were a lot of cases. But family med docs didn’t abandon using HC anywhere. I have yet to find any reports of family med docs abandoning HC. Family med docs treat covid early–the recommendation is to treat within 5 days of symptom onset. This appears to work well. Patients don’t typically need hospitalization.

    So there’s a difference in perception between family med docs and ED/ICU docs about the value of HC. So debate ensues. Enter the Lancet article.

    Recall that the Lancet article used data from back in Dec. 2019. And it only applies to hospitals. Ambulatory clinics are excluded. So it is based on only the experience of ED/ICU docs who tried HC and found no benefit (because iatrogenic barotrauma overwhelmed any benefit from using HC), so many ED/ICU docs discontinued using HC. So the HC data must be from the early period (up until mid Mar.) when docs were venting with high PEEP settings. So you get a strong association between HC use and mortality in the Lancet data. (Which also showed a strong association between ventilation and mortality, but that was expected, so it was considered unremarkable.) Hence the Lancet article suggests restricting HC use in hospitals. The data used to make that recommendation is obsolete because the SoC of covid patients has improved remarkably and iatrogenic barotrauma is unlikely to overwhelm any possible benefits of HC. So the Lancet article’s recommendation looks to be irrelevant and possibly harmful.

    Comments?

  59. @ASD

    You are mostly on track there. Advotus Diaboli had what you said and a bit more. There is definitely political gas-lighting going on.

    Read his essay:

    https://dissention.wordpress.com/2020/05/22/controversy-over-hydroxychloroquine-exposes-emptiness-of-liebralism/

    It is most definitely the case that HCQ has shown benefits in the first 4-5 days of infection.
    Because it slows down the viral load by limiting the ability of the virus to replicate in the host cells.

    And yes, the drug has little to no efficacy in people who are already far into the second phase of illness–giving it to people with severe respiratory and those on ventilators is close to useless–except for fodder for those anti-HCQ yelpers to bring up QT interval cardiac arrhythmias. It helps their case.

    It reduces the risk of hospitalization and death when give early. Very early.

    “HCQ is not a wonder drug, but used early enough in the infection it should reduce the risk of clinical deterioration often seen in later phase of disease process. So.. it is not going to miraculously prevent infection or milder forms of the disease- just stop people from getting ill enough to require hospitalization and intubation.”

    There have been plenty of reports of this that are very believable. Including anecdotal reports. And that’s why the reporting of it not helping in late cases is clinically retarded Framing of the situation. And it’s emotionally biased.

    It is obvious that the illusory truth effect (also known as the validity effect, truth effect, or the reiteration effect) is being taken advantage of here. The illusory truth effect plays a significant role in such fields as election campaigns, advertising, news media, and political propaganda.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect

    It is totally obvious to me from a medical standpoint.

    And that’s not even bringing up the point about using it with Zinc, and that Azithromycin is most likely a red-herring in my opinion.

  60. @SJF

    Cosign your comment.

    “In late March, Indonesia’s Death Toll was starting to spiral out of control, w/ a mortality rate close to 10%. Indonesia decided to go all in on Hydroxychloroquine. Effectively lowering it’s Mortality Rate to 6.2%. Today the WHO told them to STOP using it.”

    https://twitter.com/LukeMor19529310/status/1265337526497112064

    Turkey likewise experienced a drop in hospitalizations after using HC in ambulatory clinics for covid patients.

    If HC works, you should see a big difference in mortality rates between red and blue states because of the TRUMP EFFECT. In fact, you see red states having the LOWEST mortality rates and blue states having the HIGHEST mortality rates. Confirming that HC works.

    In my previous comment I was attempting to explain why hospital docs say that they have quit using HC but ambulatory clinic docs do not say that. Hospital docs haven’t treated covid patients early enough to benefit from the HC/zinc antiviral effect, unlike family med docs.

    Now why did Faux-i insist that HC be given only to patients who were hospitalized when it is commonly known that antivirals should be given early to be effective?

  61. “Now why did Faux-i insist that HC be given only to patients who were hospitalized when it is commonly known that antivirals should be given early to be effective?”

    Because an abundance of caution in making recommendations. And guess what? likely to prevent a run on drug (like a run on the bank), where every not-so-dumb physician in the United States would write a prescription for themselves and their family members. To stockpile in case they came down with an early case. Thus taking it out of the mouths of hospitalized sick patients that might need it urgently. To flatten the curve of prescriptions to spread out over those in need.

    Here’s another interesting story in the news today about a 71 year old director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine–a “virus slayer”. He avoided being put on a ventilator and got through a severe cytokine storm stage that was treated by anti-inflammatory steroids and anticoagulants (for atrial fibrillation).

    He got Covid-19 and went through the three stages, “If you get this cytokine storm while you’re acutely ill, you’re finished,” he said. “But I had three stages — first fever, then needing oxygen, and now the storm.

    https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/05/26/peter-piot-coronavirus

    Once again, lending support to staying out of stage two is extremely important. And if that can be done by any means necessary, all the better.

    Although, guys like Fauchi have to go by generally acceptable medical protocols. And there were none for this a couple months ago. Generally from the top down. But from the bottoms up any doctor can use his judgement as to what would seem to be the right thing to do at the time.
    There are parallels to Red Pill, manosphere and PUA, and masculine principles here. Top down/bottoms up approaches.

  62. https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20094193v1.full.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0n-D63uarpXlVBq_nNaZQxEB2P3-lqv-0A3KvSTtFyKfZ2TenD8LiCiBs…

    Results of a South Korean study of moderate patients who were given 3 different treatments, one of which was HCQ + AZ.

    “Results: Ninety-seven moderate COVID-19 patients were managed with hydroxychloroquine (HQ) plus antibiotics (n = 22), lopinavir-ritonavir (Lop/R) plus antibiotics (n = 35), or conservative treatment (n = 40). Time to viral clearance, as signified by negative conversion on PCR, after initiation of treatment was significantly shorter with HQ plus antibiotics compared to Lop/R plus antibiotics (hazard ratio [HR], 0.49; 95% confidence interval [95% CI], 0.28 to 0.87) or conservative treatments (HR, 0.44; 95% CI, 0.25 to 0.78).
    Hospital stay duration after treatment was also shortest for patients treated with HQ plus antibiotics compared to other treatment groups. Subgroup analysis revealed that mean duration to viral clearance was significantly reduced with adjunctive use of antibiotics compared to monotherapy (HR 0.81, 95% CI, 0.70 to 0.93). While both HQ and Lop/R showed side effects including nausea, vomiting, and elevation of liver transaminases, none were serious.”

  63. @SJF

    Flattening the curve could have been more easily and effectively accomplished by preventing hospitalization by treating HC early. But that would have diminished the panic and the opportunity for social engineering.

    And I offer an alternative hypothesis for taking anticoagulants–to prevent damage from microthrombi which seem to be a problem with covid.

    Fauci’s directives guaranteed that HC would be of little help if his directives were followed. Hospitalization was required, so patients were likely at least moderately ill…then they had to test positive, postponing treatment for a week because getting test results was dilatory at until mid March–bringing the time for beginning treatment with HC to well past the effective window of five days after symptom onset.

    Fauci’s directives thus went contrary to the stated mission of “smoothing the curve”. They also made it more difficult for lupus and RA patients to get their medications. If limiting supply of HC to moderate covid and immunocompromised patients was wanted, the ability to prescribe HC should have been by specialty (rheum. & fam med) and possibly by region (Wash. state and northeast corridor for covid) as well as maintaining a national stockpile. The prescribable regions could have been expanded as covid spread. And maybe designate a single covid family med doctor to prescribe per 500k population. Designate the approved NIH covid fam. med docs on the NIH website. Instead the FDA pissed HC away on severely ill patients.

    And the CDC should have pushed the need to seek help early, which people could do by calling an approved covid doc.

    And the NIH should have prohibited returning covid patients to hursing homes.

    I don’t buy the Stupidity Hypothesis. Fauci knew that HC worked against SARS viruses if given early. He worked on a project using HC to treat SARS-1.

  64. ASD You are overthinking it. Fauci was on a rapidly shifting stage and he couldn’t employ specific tactics in regards to HCQ.

    .

    He had to integrate with a top down approach. What he said for the coronavirus task force was at odds with what he would think and do privately. . A report posted on Townhall dot com March 25th said:

    .

    “But, the Washington, D.C., parlor game of trying to sew dissension and chaos within a White House continued on a daily basis.

    .

    Yesterday, Fauci (who, we had been recently told, was muzzled yet again) went on a bit of a media blitz. He told WMAL radio in Washington, D.C. that the president was doing a great job, that there wasn’t any fundamental difference in the foundational principals in attacking the virus and that he wished the media would stop pitting him against the president.

    .

    And, on AM 990 in Philadelphia, he talked with Townhall columnist and morning host Chris Stigall about the very real hope in the hydroxychloroquine drug that has been the buzz recently.”

    .

    “If you’re a doctor listening to me right now and a patient with coronavirus feels like they want to try that,” Stigall asked, “and you’re their doctor, you’re not Anthony Fauci the guy running the coronavirus task force, would you say ‘alright, we’ll give it a whirl’?” .

    “Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option,” Fauci said. “These drugs are approved drugs for other reasons. They’re anti-malaria drugs, and they’re drugs against certain autoimmune diseases like lupus. Physicians throughout the country can prescribe that in an off-label way. Which means they can write it for something it was not approved for.” .

    .

    It’s not really an issue of them said, they said. It’s pretty established that it can help. It’s not a prevention and it’s not a cure. . And State Licensing And Regulatory boards for prescribing guideline were quick to say that it was inappropriate to prescribe for coronavirus and for stock-piling. Which is pretty stupid unless it is used as a way to prevent too many prescriptions. I have an inhaler sitting in my drawer in case I have a wheeze here and there. What’s the difference? I have only hundreds of patients that have Valtrex sitting around in case they have a cold sore out-break. What’s the difference.

    .

    Oh, yeah, that’s right the political emotions. Not what is best for the patient. . Which is pretty lame for a state licensing and regulatory board to threaten. In other words, state recommendations are too strict at times. Imagine Zelenko getting this warning: .

    One State’s Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has warned physicians and pharmacists they are breaking state laws if they prescribe or dispense the drugs hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for coronavirus patients. . The Department says that it has “received multiple allegations of State physicians inappropriately prescribing” the drugs, and reports “will be evaluated and may be further investigated for administrative action.” . “We believe the communication we sent on Tuesday was a good reminder for our licensees that – even in times of crisis – they still have an obligation to follow appropriate prescribing and dispensing requirements and provide the best standards of care to their patients,” Harns said in an email. “Hoarding and stockpiling drugs and prescribing such drugs to oneself and also to friends and family is not lawful and goes against the standards of care that our licensed professionals strive to achieve on a daily basis.” . Harns continued: “Licensees are required to use their best clinical judgment and apply medical justification when treating patients with medications and prescription drugs.” . Here is the full message LARA sent to prescribers and dispensers: . The Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has received multiple allegations of State physicians inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose. Prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without further proof of efficacy for treating COVID-19 or with the intent to stockpile the drug may create a shortage for patients with lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, or other ailments for which chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are proven treatments. Reports of this conduct will be evaluated and may be further investigated for administrative action. Prescribing any kind of prescription must also be associated with medical documentation showing proof of the medical necessity and medical condition for which the patient is being treated. Again, these are drugs that have not been proven scientifically or medically to treat COVID-19. State pharmacists may see an increased volume of prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine and should take special care to evaluate the prescriptions’ legitimacy. Pursuant to State Administrative Code, R 338.490(2), a pharmacist shall not fill a prescription if the pharmacist believes the prescription will be used for other than legitimate medical purposes or if the prescription could cause harm to a patient. It is also important to be mindful that licensed health professionals are required to report inappropriate prescribing practices. LARA appreciates all licensed health professionals for their service and cooperation in assuring compliance in acting responsibly while continuing to provide the best possible care for States’s citizens during this unprecedented and very challenging time.

    Any doctor can prescribe anything off label. It behooves him to not be doing it if he is an outlier and is doing it for purposes other than the best interests of his patient medically. And it is pretty safe stuff. Just not for coronavirus patients on their death bed.

    .

    And Fauci was the proponent of flattening the curve to keep hospitals overwhelmed with the sick and dying by proposing social distancing. Not by prescribing HCQ. He didn’t have the governmental license to build that option from the ground up in the trenches of war.

  65. ASD

    .

    Basic science lesson. Based on stuff from the education way back when 35 years ago and interpretation, now.

    .

    I noticed your blog post on 5/6/20 or so. How does hydroxychloroquine ferry Zn++ into cells?

    .

    There are multiple levels at which HCQ and Zinc may be beneficial in the early treatment of Covid-19.

    .

    There are a lot of mixed messages going on not just in the political, the election campaigns, news media whores, and political propaganda.

    .

    There are also considerable biases in the medical community.

    .

    There is such a thing as mechanism of action that explains why something might work for some goal in the human body and it is complex in regards to cellular biology, biochemical physiology and cellular structure as well as the nature of virology and immunology.

    .

    So there are four or more possible ways that HCQ can help early on in infection. Keep in mind that there are multiple other factors in being immunologically more able to fight off an infection rather than mere age. Some people swear by supplements. My self in former life. I’m not so sure now. Or rather I am sure now that if I were to run into Covid in the grocery store or the office that I would want to have a full complement of cofactors for normal operations, otherwise known as vitamins an supplements on board.

    .

    An analogy would be: If I had a mechanical watch telling time: I would want all the parts to operate efficiently to operate as normal. Not have a part missing or be deficient in functionality. That’s what vitamins and supplements are like. They are co-factors in operation.

    .

    If I was deer hunting and got up in the morning to go to the stand, I would want good sleep. A clear mind walking out of the cabin. Not to have forgotten my backpack stuffings. Warm clothes, adequate food, good regulation of my pissing and shitting that morning, my weapon of deer slaying to be optimal, bow or firearm and arrows or ammunition, good weather, optimal temps for movement, potential good moon phase, binoculars, deer grunt call (I don’t actually do that most of the time), scent control and on and on.

    .

    A human might have optimal levels of Vitamin D, C and selenium and zinc for optimal immunity. But no one out there may know if that is the case. Because of unknowns. Last month I asked my office manager and billing receptionist about there Vitamin D levels and the were suprisingly high. Mine was 44, theirs were 50 or 55. 35 and over is usually adequate. My medical assistant checked hers the other day and it was 18 which is pretty damn deficient and plays a role in immunity.

    .

    But I digress.

    .

    So, this is all off the top of my head by reading links on the web. Things that HCG does early in the invasion of the body by Covid-19 virus:

    .

    1. Lysosomes attack invaders such as viruses. Good lysosome activity is enhanced by Zinc. So if zinc gets in a cell, the lysosomes can use it for self defense against viruses. A primitive defense.

    .

    2.HCQ is an Ionophore for zinc. Which means it portages zinc across the cell membrane to get into the cell. For whatever reason.

    .

    3.HCG is a weak base. It penetrates cells ad libitum–at will. (it gets into cells). Coronavirus operates by penetrating the cell at the ACE2 receptor. In order to penetrate the cell it has a devious way of acidifying proteins on the cell membrane in order to penetrate more efficiently. HCQ being a weak base defends against this acidification. So the “fort” is less stormed by the virus and the virus can less take over the cell and multiply. Viruses like Influenza A and Coronavirus take the lungs by storm by multiplying by the hundreds and thousands. Influenza I is shut down by drugs like Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate). If taken early within one day of Flu it remarkably shuts down the ability of the flu virus to replicate and does that quickly, turning a bout of the flue into a shadow of it’s former self.

    .

    4.HCQ is an immunomodulator, so it shuts down an over aggressive cytokine response to over-invasion by a virus. Cytokines are primitive tools to fight off infections. They work by brute force rather than selective anti-body defense which comes later when the body can gear up production after recognition of viral or bacterial invasion (but takes time). Or cellular immunity which also takes time for recognition and production of targeted killer cells.

    .

    So it’s not just one thing that HCQ and Zinc does. And this has been well know for a while on the biological cellular mechanism of action.

  66. Well, the formatting and editing is fucked

    ASD
    I noticed your blog post on 5/6/20 or so. How does hydroxychloroquine ferry Zn++ into cells?
    .

    There are multiple levels at which HCQ and Zinc may be beneficial in the early treatment of Covid-19. .

    There are a lot of mixed messages going on not just in the political, the election campaigns, news media whores, and political propaganda.
    .

    There are also considerable biases in the medical community.
    .

    There is such a thing as mechanism of action that explains why something might work for some goal in the human body and it is complex in regards to cellular biology, biochemical physiology and cellular structure as well as the nature of virology and immunology.
    .

    So there are four or more possible ways that HCQ can help early on in infection. Keep in mind that there are multiple other factors in being immunologically more able to fight off an infection rather than mere age. Some people swear by supplements. My self in former life. I’m not so sure now. Or rather I am sure now that if I were to run into Covid in the grocery store or the office that I would want to have a full complement of cofactors for normal operations, otherwise known as vitamins an supplements on board.
    .

    An analogy would be: If I had a mechanical watch telling time: I would want all the parts to operate efficiently to operate as normal. Not have a part missing or be deficient in functionality. That’s what vitamins and supplements are like. They are co-factors in operation.
    .

    If I was deer hunting and got up in the morning to go to the stand, I would want good sleep. A clear mind walking out of the cabin. Not to have forgotten my backpack stuffings. Warm clothes, adequate food, good regulation of my pissing and shitting that morning, my weapon of deer slaying to be optimal, bow or firearm and arrows or ammunition, good weather, optimal temps for movement, potential good moon phase, binoculars, deer grunt call (I don’t actually do that most of the time), scent control and on and on. .for optimization for a harvest kill.
    .

    A human might have optimal levels of Vitamin D, C and selenium and zinc for optimal immunity. But no one out there may know if that is the case. Because of unknowns. Last month I asked my office manager and billing receptionist about there Vitamin D levels and the were suprisingly high. Mine was 44, theirs were 50 or 55. 35 and over is usually adequate. My medical assistant checked hers the other day and it was 18 which is pretty damn deficient and plays a role in immunity.
    .

    But I digress.
    .

    So, this is all off the top of my head by reading links on the web. Things that HCG does early in the invasion of the body by Covid-19 virus:
    .

    Lysosomes attack invaders such as viruses. Good lysosome activity is enhanced by Zinc. So if zinc gets in a cell, the lysosomes can use it for self defense against viruses. A primitive defense.
    .
    HCG is an Ionophore for zinc. Which means it portages zinc across the cell membrane to get into the cell. For whatever reason.
    .
    HCG is a weak base. It penetrates cells ad libitum–at will. (it gets into cells). Coronavirus operates by penetrating the cell at the ACE2 receptor. In order to penetrate the cell it has a devious way of acidifying proteins on the cell membrane in order to penetrate more efficiently. HCQ being a weak base defends against this acidification. So the “fort” is less stormed by the virus and the virus can less take over the cell and multiply. Viruses like Influenza A and Coronavirus take the lungs by storm by multiplying by the hundreds and thousands. Influenza I is shut down by drugs like Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate). If taken early within one day of Flu it remarkably shuts down the ability of the flu virus to replicate and does that quickly, turning a bout of the flue into a shadow of it’s former self.
    .
    HCQ is an immunomodulator, so it shuts down an over aggressive cytokine response to over-invasion by a virus. Cytokines are primitive tools to fight off infections. They work by brute force rather than selective anti-body defense which comes later when the body can gear up production after recognition of viral or bacterial invasion (but takes time). Or cellular immunity which also takes time for recognition and production of targeted killer cells.
    .

    So it’s not just one thing that HCQ and Zinc does. And this has been well know for a while on the biological cellular mechanism of action.

  67. @SJF and any biochemists out there

    “HCG is a weak base.” I know that this is what the literature says, but I want to know how HC becomes a weak base.

    HC comes in pill form as hydroxychloroquine sulfate. A salt. Sulfate is SO4–. Sulfate is the anion. So HC must be the cation. HC++. As HC++, HC will not pass a cell membrane’s lipid bilayer, so there must be some sort of active transport to get HC into cells. And somehow HC is converted into a weak base in the process because we know that it acts that way in endosomes. So my hypothesis is that there is some protein that catalyzes reduction of HC by a sugar. At the cell membrane. (Remember that reduction is a reduction in charge.) So, when the protein on the cell membrane orients HC++ so that the chance of the sugar which is also on the cell membrane will be very likely to reduce HC++. This has to occur three times before HC++ eventually becomes HC-. I would guess that the same sugar is used three times, being reset back to its zero charge state in between reductions somehow.

    step 1)

    HC++ + membrane sugar catalyzed by membrane protein1 => HC+ + membrane sugar+

    membrane sugar+ is reset to membrane sugar with no charge

    step 2)

    HC+ + membrane sugar catalyzed by membrane protein1 => HC (no charge) + membrane sugar+

    membrane sugar+ is reset to membrane sugar with no charge

    At this point I guess membrane protein2 latches on to HC(no charge).

    step 3)

    HC(no charge) + membrane sugar catalyzed by membrane protein2 => HC-

    (3 ATPs must be consumed in the reduction of the sugar and likely CO2s produced.)

    Once the HC has a negative charge, the second protein on the cell membrane moves HC- into an early endosome which is on the cell membrane, too. So HC++ is reduced to HC- as it is transported into an endosome.

    But this doesn’t explain HC’s ionophoric activity with regard to zinc. So there must be another active transport process for HC-Zn++ which we’ll leave for another time.

    Maybe reduction of organic cations is trivial now for biochemists. My biochemistry is even rustier than yours.

  68. ASD

    It doesn’t matter. You don’t have to understand the technical details. Once again parallels to a Red Pill life well lived. It’s not in picking out all the details. Although I know you need to keep your mind busy in the time of corona.

    And on a further note. Or a repeat note. I get lazy and don’t always continue taking “supplements”. My wife is a supplement taking queen and it seems to benefit her in function overall. She sees a functional medicine doctor, like our old buddy Forge The Sky’s father, and it seems to do her a lot of good. Keeps her more functional than the next person.

    I had a patient recently that was old that looked young and healthy and vibrant and full of enthusiasm and he was speaking of taking vitamins all his life. As it was the secret to life. He spoke with religious fervor about it. And it made me think. Because this guy was really alive, or what some may say–“woke”.

    But anyway, here is a good video of Joe Rogan interviewing Dr. Rhonda Patrick about Vitamin D. It’s a good listen to. In relationship to Covid-19 morbidities.

    Keep in mind, the way to manage your own adequate level of Vitamin D is to do a screening blood test. I would recommend at least twice a year. That is the only way to know if you are deficient. If you are deficient, you are at a risk of not being optimal. Once again, Game parallels. Always try to be optimal and not deficient.

    https://youtu.be/tBSfIckPV44

  69. @SJF and biochemists out there

    Let’s have a look at how HC- as a zinc ionophore works to inhibit viral replication. Mechanisms matter very much here if Zn++ is to inhibit viral replication. Zinc has to physically be near the viral RNA polymerase in order to prevent replication. We’re pretty sure it won’t get there by simple diffusion. So our unverified model needs some critical examination to see if it’s even plausible.

    Zn++ normally is brought into the cell by active transport. Into endosomes, which eventually fuse with lysozomes which digest everything, including any viral proteins or nucleic acids. Zn++ in such cases simply gets shunted to wherever the cell needs it for normal functioning, which does not include inhibiting viral replication.

    The SARS-2 virus enters cells via the ACE2 receptor which is found in cells of epithelial origin, like vascular cells and alveoli and cardiac cells and kidney cells and neurons. But it isn’t just loosed into the cytosol. The virus initially enters into an endosome. The virus is acidophilic and needs a low pH environment to be able to bust out of the endosome before the endosome merges with a lysozome. HC- by itself will raise the endosomal pH and may make the endosome basic enough to prevent the action of the viral proteins which creates an entry out of the endosome for the viral components.

    Let’s suppose that cases occur where there isn’t enough HC- in all the endosomes to prevent viral components from getting loosed near the nucleus. Wouldn’t it be nice in those cases if some zinc were around to also be loosed along with the viral components? The zinc could then perhaps prevent viral replication, being in the same cellular neighborhood as the viral components.

    If you get enough HC in all endosomes, you can prevent viral replication simply with the HC. But cells can’t tolerate too high levels of HC, so lower levels have to be used. So zinc becomes the backup plan. HC moves zinc into endosomes somehow, we think. We don’t care how. Zinc in the cytosol is useless for our purposes. We need it in the endosomes along with the viral components. The viral components open a door for zinc to escape the endosome in the neighborhood of the nucleus where it is avalable to prevent viral replication.

    That’s my PFA guesstimate of what might happen.

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