Choose Wisely

Potential vs. Struggle

“Women don’t care about the struggle. They wait at the finish line and fuck the winners.”

Rich Cooper

This is a popular belief in the Manosphere today. Hypergamous stress is so intense that women have turned into mercenaries with respect to vetting the men they’ll accept to plan a future with. I’ll admit, a lot of well-meaning Red Pill men believe women’s Hypergamous Filter is necessarily amoral if not overtly cruel. The ill-informed critics of Hypergamy believe in a binary extreme. They presume that all those Red Pill guys are self-defeated by the idea that all women are prostitutes and only “out to get theirs“. This is simplistic ignorance of the concept of Hypergamy meant to dissuade the curious from Red Pill truths that they refuse to process. But do they kind of have a point though?

Virtually every extreme of MGTOW and the Mens Rights Movement have some open variation of how Hypergamy is a straight jacket and

Why bother with a woman for anything other than a short term fuck if her Hypergamous nature will just predispose her to jumping ship to the first guy who comes along with a bigger dick or a bigger wallet?”

I covered all of these is detail in Hypergamy – The Misconceptions a while ago in case you’re curious as to why these are unfounded, and more often deliberate, misunderstandings of women’s nature. And no, that doesn’t mean I’m backpedaling on anything I’ve ever written about Hypergamy.

A couple weeks ago I got wrapped up in a Twitter exchange about the conflict between whether women indeed wait for the winners at the finish line or they make calculated bets about a man’s future potential.

From a pragmatic point of view I’m very much inclined to agree with this assessment. Yes, it makes women seem overly mercenary with respect to Hypergamy, but I’ve said it as much myself in any number of prior essays:

Women can only willingly want to please a man whose Frame is the dominant one. You’ve got to have that world established that she wants to enter and become a complementary, supportive (of you) and willing participant in. This world-building takes time. Women evolved to seek competency in men. Hypergamy cannot afford to bet all of a woman’s genetic legacy on a guy who has “potential” – they want the proven commodity. This is one reason women look for men older and taller than they are. More importantly, you need a woman who is playing on your team, not against you. And sadly this is the state of marriage promoted by the Feminine Imperative today. Egalitarianism doesn’t promote complementary cooperation, it promotes an adversarial state of competition between husband and wife.

The Marriage Game

In a purely evolutionary context it’s true; because a woman’s sexual market value – and ultimately her only agency with men – is perishable Hypergamy cannot afford for a woman to waste her time on a ‘good bet‘. This truth is a basic, Darwinistic, rule for women’s sexual strategy.

Despite all the social conventions to make them believe otherwise, women’s hindbrains know that their sexual agency and prime fertility window in life is limited. This creates a degree of urgency in a woman as she gets closer to, or ages past, the Wall. This understanding necessitates tradeoffs, but optimally a woman would prefer not to take chances with her reproductive future – and ultimately her life’s future.

For the more nihilistically inclined men of the ‘sphere, this Darwinistic determinism seems like a reproductive death sentence. If women only fuck the winners at the finish line, and you’re a loser, you may as well give up and go jerk off, right? This defeatism is a core tenet of the Black Pill.

All that said, a lot of people disagree with this assessment:

Jack knows I love him, but he is living with a girl much younger than himself. While I think that’s cool, and proof of Red Pill concept, he is actually living out the point being made here. Statistically, women tend to prefer men who are 5 to 7 years their senior. Another aspect of women’s evolved mental firmware is the natural attraction to older men as prospective long term mates. Women know that it takes men longer to mature into the genuine value that her Hypergamous Filters test for. An older rich man is always more believable than a younger rich man. Women tend to pair with a man their senior because Hypergamy doesn’t need to wait on his potential when he’s already a proven commodity.

Most of the criticism in this thread centers on exaggerating the age of “marriageable men” to the point of absurdity, but women do look for long term security as a prime requisite of the men they hope to pair for life with. There is a root-level presumption in women, correct or not, that an older man will have established the status and resources a woman needs in a long term partner. In fact, our feminine-primary social order shames men for not preparing to assume this role of security provider for women by a certain age (usually 30ish).

Alexander is also a good friend, but I’m going to disagree with half of his assessment. Women don’t readily recognize potential in men. In fact most of them are piss poor at it. This is because they’ve been socially conditioned to focus more on themselves (and exacerbated by their innate solipsism) than be concerned with making a good assessment of men’s potential for future success.

Now, before you think I’m siding with the Hypergamous nihilists, this did give me pause to step back and assess my stance on women reading men’s potentials to provide for their future security. And that last part is the most important because women’s sexual strategy has two parts: Alpha Fucks – short term sexual needs – and Beta Bucks – long term provisioning and security needs. It’s the latter that we’re discussing in this debate.

Women want to fuck the winners in the short term, but they will also assess a man’s potential for the long term.

Hypergamy cannot afford to wait for 100% perfect confirmation of a man’s Alpha status before she has sex with him. This Hypergamic bypass is actually one vulnerability women have with respect to well calibrated Game.

The Epiphany Phase Revisited

In the essay Women’s Existential Fear I also made the following proposition:

The Existential Fear in women is that their innate, Hypergamous Filter, their Feminine Intuition, might be fooled, and by being fooled she may either die or have her reproductive potential compromised for her lifetime by bearing and raising the child of man who is a suboptimal Hypergamous choice for her – a man who exerted his will over her Hypergamous choosing filters.

Making Choices

All of this presumes that a woman is in some way testing for a man’s potential. Even women’s autonomous shit testing is a confirmation of this. So yes, women do look for potential in men. Some better than others. The Hypergamous Filter is an imperfect tool which is exactly why women needed to mystify their feminine intuition in popular understanding. Men had to be kept in the dark as to a woman’s motives because their filters have always been intuitive guesswork. This is a vulnerability that men might exploit – with good Game for instance – if women were ever honest about it.

Not all women can fuck the winners so they have to make calculated bets on men. This is also a reason women rely on social proof and the preselection cues of other women. If other women find a guy to be a ‘good bet’ it provides her a short cut to getting to intimacy. Again, Hypergamy cannot afford to miss out on a socially confirmed ‘good bet’. And yes, this is also a vulnerability in women’s vetting process that men with good Game regularly exploit.

So, the tradeoff is this: when a woman is at her peak sexual market value (SMV) she has the leisure to fuck the winners at the finish line. The more her SMV decays the fewer her options become, and the more likely it is that her necessity requires her to make a ‘bet’ on a man’s future potential. This is the primary reason women opt for the Beta in Waiting around her Epiphany Phase. Necessity forces her to go with good potential.

One of the ways feminism and female-primacy sabotages women’s ability to vet for good potential is in the mythology surrounding their sexual viability as they get older. Social conventions constantly reinforce the false idea that a woman’s SMV is indefinite – and by extension her agency over men should also be indefinite. This is why Blank Slate idealism and Social Constructionism are a preferred mythology for women. Without the Blank Slate a woman would be forced to accept the evolved realities of her sex. The Blank Slate is a prime source of women’s solipsistic denial of her own nature.

Turnkey Men

Do women care about the struggle? Do women ever appreciate the sacrifices a man must make to facilitate their own realities? I explored this topic a long time ago in Appreciation and I’m still going with my old assessment, no.

It may be that a man of Rich Cooper’s age, affluence and status only attracts the ‘finish line girls’ because he’s already a made man. He’s an attractive catch because he’s already a proven commodity. Thus, he tends to attract women who are looking for a ‘Turnkey’ man with an established world into which they want to move.

I should also add that most middle aged women, past their sexual prime and well past any long term potential they may’ve had themselves universally look for the ‘Turnkey’ man – once they’re done playing cougar immediately after their divorce. This is another illustration of women’s sexual strategy from the post-Wall side. Alpha Fucks – Beta Bucks never changes, only the context does. Post divorce women go through a second Epiphany Phase right after the divorce. Play cougar and fuck the fun college guys if they can because it’s easy, but be on the lookout for a ‘Turnkey’ winner who’s still ignorant of his Blue Pill conditioning at 45.

Whether it’s a woman in her late 20s or a post-Wall ‘mature woman‘ a man’s struggles to become her ideal is largely irrelevant to her. WHile women are speculators with respect to men it’s the end result of those struggles that’s the operative for her. Almost every woman who disagreed in the Twitter thread above all had some success story of how their brilliant feminine intuition led to them investing in the man they’re so proud to call a husband now. None of them were about how they made a horrible mistake in betting their future on a losing horse. So it’s important to see how the results skew for women.

Women will readily make claims on Relational Equity as an insurance against his leaving her later, once he’s achieved that potential. His struggle and her bearing through it with him is only important in that it produced the positive results she’d hoped for. That ‘dedication’ of seeing it through is her relationship insurance. It’s why women despise and reinforce the “trophy wife” meme. It’s prime indignation to have a man betray her speculation on him by rewarding a younger, hotter, tighter woman at the finish line.

Your struggle is her burden despite you having to bear it under duress of her abandoning you if you failed. Women will never appreciate the sacrifices a man makes to facilitate a reality, her sexual/life strategy, she believes was always her due. You just did what you were supposed to do as a man. Women believe it is their due to pair with a man who is worthy of her social media inflated ego. If that sounds harsh remember that women regularly bemoan the lack of men who are their “equal partners” in both money and education well after their prime SMV years are past.

Finally, the reason the finish line metaphor is apt is because more women than ever are postponing marriage in the expectation that ‘Turnkey’ made men will be waiting and available when they hit 31-33 years old, rather than investing in men with good potential in their early to mid 20s. Doing so would mean sacrificing their peak SMV Party Years when someone like Sheryl Sandberg convinces them to wait for the ‘Right Guy‘. It’s simple pragmatism for a woman not to bet her reproductive future on an unproven commodity so early in life. If she does, and it works out for the best, she’s practically sainted by the Sisterhood for her prudence and sacrifice for him. Behind every great man is a woman, right?

But if she chooses unwisely and her life goes to hell she’s wasted her own potential on a bad bet. Social conventions can mitigate this of course. Men can always be blamed for her downfall, but she’s still saddled with the consequences of that bad bet. And it is exactly these consequences of a bad Hypergamous choice that the Feminine Imperative will bend all its power to legally and socially insure against for women (i.e. legal abortion, child support laws, #MeToo, the Duluth Model of feminism).

All of this is why women are pushing their decision to marry, if at all, back to older and older ages. The average age of first marriage today is 27-28 for women, and the overall marriage rate has been in free-fall for decades now. This is why. This evolved dynamic is conflicting with our present age’s social imperatives for women and the falsehoods they are conditioned to believe about their sex from the earliest ages.

If you liked this topic you can also listen to my discussion about it with Donovan Sharpe here:

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@zendude Arguing your point is sport on the internet. Nothing wrong with that. Competing is fun, But what is your end goal in arguing your points? To just be a Natural? That is not why men come here. Some are Naturals like Blaximus. But he is out to help and refine his help skills. I used to wonder and be bemused when classmates in undergrad and grad school used to be agitated by having to pay good money and put in lots of work to learn, (esp. in the first two years of each of those venues.). Their attitude was:… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@blax

“My compai that invited me out Saturday got laid twice that day by 2 different women, 1 from the club, 1 from the local park.

… and he’s 20 years older than you”

🔥🔥🔥

I’m gonna smash the Brazilian chick again tonight 😈 as she’s leaving to go back home tommorow 😢

theasdgamer
4 years ago

the hostess chatting you up, opening the door for your pizza, or volunteering that she made your salad for you. Not what happened. You misread. There were two different girls with whom I spoke. Also I left out some other features–a couple of girls pulled the hostess into a small space where I couldn’t see them for a few minutes…maybe the other girls were checking what was going on like girls do. The restaurant was in a small city on a slow night. The girls were various shades of 6’s in looks. I opened the hostess when she wasn’t looking… Read more »

zendude
zendude
4 years ago

@SFJ & Other Gents Why am I here? Same reason you are. Information about the sexual marketplace and the forces driving it which I find interesting in-itself and also of practical value for me, friends, family, etc… What is my goal ? To convey that the information condensed here (probably with a slight dialing down of the rhetoric) is enough for someone to kickoff their red-pill journey, that there are many possible solutions (even ready made ones), and that one ought to thread carefully since there are always trade-offs You’ll say.. what are my alternatives? Foundational Stuff: 1. Make Money… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@SJF I’m still waiting for zen to tell me how he’s going to keep his wife so satisfied that she doesn’t spill her guts about her unhappiness and offer to sit some random blokes face within 2 minutes of a direct approach.. (DLV) Any ideas? Sure, just pay $11,000. And then a sherpa. And then Just Go Climb Mt. Everest for the bragging rights. And then tell us about it. And go on the lecture circuit. That’ll do it. On the other hand, I do know of a few people in the manosphere that kept their wife from doing just… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

lol asd, I can barely comprehend what you’re getting at.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@Palmasailor Your name got changed to PLEASE there. It sometimes happens from fat-fingering the keyboard. I’ve had a number of sketchy incidences with my (attractive high-self-esteem AWALT) wife over the years and I discuss them with my red pill buddies. I don’t air them here and yet I just used it as a veiled reference for them. So don’t fret your “wasn’t referring to my wife”. I fret about my wife’s fidelity. Heh. And I keep staying here. Go figure. But I do note that a few years ago, my wife was really pissed when I took up red pill… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Zen I probably can’t prove “Game” doesn’t exist just like I can’t prove “god” doesn’t exist Actually you are proving my point. Game has been proven to exist… that’s the whole point. You just demonstrate you know nothing about it. Compared to gamers, I just saved TIME and MONEY by not investing in Game material and effort of consistently going out. I could just talk to chicks when I play tennis or whatever club I’m participating in. Once again proving you know nothing at all about Game. Well don’t worry, we are not far from “fine Game exists but it… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

“Was there sexual attraction? I really didn’t care. Did the other girls suspect sexual attraction on the girl’s side? Obviously. And was another girl competing? Obviously. Even the girl who was guarding had some level of interest. Obviously not indifferent. Hostility is better than indifference.” Ohhhhh, I gotta ask because it’s killing me. How did you surmise that anybody suspected sexual attraction? Do you think that maybe, just maybe the girls were bored and serving you? You know, to have something to do? What was it about the guarding chick that might appear to you to be ” hostile “?… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“have you don’t foundational stuff, exhausted your channels and still have no luck at all? Well try moving to an environment more favorable to you or just acknowledge that it is what it is” Or skip all that and learn game first… before ya know, you exhaust all your channels with unskilled demonstrations endlessly repeated… Zen: Ah, ummm… You uh look cute… I’m Zen. Girl: Hi.. Zen: So uh ya having fun? Girl: I guess so Zen: So what’s your name? Girl:Stacey Zen: So what do you do…? Girl: I’m a waitress. Zen: Oh really, that’s cool. So where do… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Yeah, a sales girl trying to sell you shit she gets commission on is the same as a hostess for a restaurant chain who is an hourly employee who has already taken your order. Exactly the same scenario. (Ok, I was kind of being a dick. sorry, hehe) The point isn’t whether there’s necessarily sexual interest, but whether girls compete for social attention. It’s not a big leap to move girls from competing for social attention to competing for sexual attention. Girls are opportunistic. I didn’t see any evidence of competition in your scenario. There could have been (and probably… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” I didn’t see any evidence of competition in your scenario. There could have been (and probably was), but you likely missed the signals.”

Lmao. Nah, I’m an old hand at this shit. I didn’t miss anything because there was nothing there.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Sentient & Palma

Lol.

zendude
zendude
4 years ago

@palm The whole point is that you’ve got no control. That’s actually a good thing. Why would you want to be with someone who has lost interest in you. The RedPill is partly about getting the awareness to manage that risk Way way back I used to be in an LTR with an Executive Assistant who got hit on relentlessly at her workplace. There was even a time when a Vendor VP threatened to cause mayhem and blame her for it if she didn’t go out on a date with him (I think she secretly felt good about this). All… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” why would I want to be with someone who didn’t value me and what I was giving?..

Hmmmm. Red Pill huh?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

How did you surmise that anybody suspected sexual attraction? I’ve seen it over and over–girls pulling their friends aside right in the middle of the girls wanting attention from some guy. Generally, this is called “cockblocking.” But since you don’t do bars, you probably have never seen it. Do you think that maybe, just maybe the girls were bored and serving you? You know, to have something to do? The hostess was likely bored. She was the only girl serving me–and that was during the first couple of minutes while I was giving her my order at the takeout desk.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“The whole point is that you’ve got no control. That’s actually a good thing. Why would you want to be with someone who has lost interest in you. The RedPill is partly about getting the awareness to manage that risk”

Not hardly.

Zendude
Zendude
4 years ago

@palm Yeah: that’s why one ought to never get married I’m only aware of the fundamentals i listed for mitigating the risk but you shouldn’t be working out or making money to chase tail or keep your LTR anyway. One does it for the glory or for itself Finally hypergamy is hypergamy and it’s unfortunate that those who deserve it the least are the ones who end up having it happen to them You can’t control life/nature. Best you can do is be aware of reality and adjust accordingly Anyway I’ll get off my soapbox. My point has been made.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” Finally hypergamy is hypergamy and it’s unfortunate that those who deserve it the least are the ones who end up having it happen to them”

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kjYk2CrQF8&w=1280&h=720%5D

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago
kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Finally hypergamy is hypergamy and it’s unfortunate that those who deserve it the least are the ones who end up having it happen to them . . .”

If you define these things dogmatically, religiously, rather than taking the agnostic’s empirical approach:

Primo A. Priori: [hits thumb with hammer] “Ow! I didn’t deserve that, you stupid hammer.”

Secundus A. Posteriori: [hits thumb with hammer “Ow! I better not do that again.”

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Bye Zen. Say Hi to Mitch!

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“Yeah: that’s why one ought to never get married”

Zen: I’m a risk mitigation sexpert.

Stan Ardman: Wow! How can I lower my risks of marriage?

Zen: Do not marry. Risk mitigated.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Zendude,

Tell me some demographics: age, BMI, size of city you live in, notch-count, education level, parents divorced?

jooegaei
jooegaei
4 years ago

Great article as always, Rollo. Women can, in some sense, tell when a man has potential, which is why they’re attracted to confidence, competence, intelligence, etc., but in general, you’re right. They stay at the finish line… and fuck the winner.

Beelzebub&Me
Beelzebub&Me
4 years ago

“Does a woman appreciate a man’s struggle?” A recently retired coworker told me that as a young man, his father told him that “a husband loves his wife and children, a wife loves her children, and the children love their puppy”. He said he had a good wife who helped him raise three successful children. However, he said his dad’s advice helped him understand that he would receive very little appreciation for his sacrifices of which there were many. In my experience, there are a few women who appreciate a man’s sacrifices. However, the vast majority of women expect men… Read more »

Beezlebub&Me
Beezlebub&Me
4 years ago

For men, fertility = sexual desire. Is hypergamy any different? It is a biological impulse that we should all be grateful that our female ancestors had because they maximized our genetics. And the more hypergamous they were, they better we are. We just all need to protect ourselves against hypergamy with our current partners. And yeah, I get that the outcome in the modern world can be paying for children that are not biologically yours. For as bad as this outcome is, throughout human history as many as 75% of the planet may have been in some form of forced… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ &Me

“They are trying to win respect rather than demanding respect and reciprocity.”

I’d like to see how one demands respect.

Respect me…dammit! Now to oral sex!

Just foolin’

Respect begins within. A man respects himself as he is to be. He is self-ordered correctly and well, by definition self-respectful. Throw in a little surprise and…women do that like a crossword puzzle.

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
4 years ago

@ scribb “Work on your world and your life. Apply Red Pill knowledge to aid you in your quest for meaning and creating and power and success and ass and everything else in life. There are always little hacks and shortcuts, there is always possibility. Hint: This mindset is like catnip for women. The 1000 yard stare of a man with a plan and the power to see it through will cause much pussy moistening, even from a distance. Using the great Red Pill knowledge Rollo dispenses to give up and become resigned is exactly the wrong reaction. For me,… Read more »

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
4 years ago

Definitely “choose wisely”, gentlemen…

Innocent man sent to jail for rape by his own fiancé | 60 Minutes Australia
youtube.com/watch?v=bYH992ynhdU

Softek
Softek
4 years ago

Step 1 is admitting you have a problem. I’ve been listening to audio files I made of Mystery’s live talks on YouTube. They’re very quiet so I bumped up the volume and put them in a playlist so I can listen to them on repeat throughout the day. I did find myself thinking “Oh, this is cringey” when he’s going on some long-winded story about something or other. The takeaway? That is me projecting. HARD. Here is a guy who is the grandfather of Game and I’m having some internal response as if I know better. Give me a break.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

…. lotta stuff

M.C.
4 years ago

Wallstreetplayboys is a joke.

Success porn (ala “every guy in his 20s should be a millionaire” before 30).

What numbskull reads that ?

j
j
4 years ago

@Softnek “Not to mention some of the actually cringey shit I’ve done that, when I remember it, makes me feel like ripping my own intestines out and hanging myself with them in shame”. should have trusted your gut tbh… “tells you how to manipulate women into having sex with you.” lol. That’s actually true tho lol. https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/8581-manipulation-what-it-means-how-to-manipulate-and-how-to-recognize-if-you-are-being-manipulated “Game has a lot to do with SELECTING the stories we tell about ourselves, SELECTING how we present ourselves to others, with the intention of demonstrating high Survival and Replication value” “If you’ve been telling embellished, exaggerated, negative stories about yourself your whole… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Soften I’m going to save you A lot of time here… “Game is partly about, in my preliminary understanding, cultivating an awareness of that, and consciously choosing the reality we’re creating, instead of letting our unconscious mind choose it for us. ” It’s not a reality being created. It’s communication. Game as far as PUA is styled (putting Blax’s “Game the universe” stuff to the side) is this: the language of female seduction. It is a verbal amd physical language. So as a learner of game, you are searching and choosing – so to communicate. As you would if you… Read more »

Sovtek
Sovtek
4 years ago

All right. Speaking about presentation, now that we’ve all had our little chuckles and chortles, I’m changing my name to Sovtek, which was the original inspiration for my name anyway.

In my mind the “F” was close enough to a “V” and sounded cool, but I didn’t think twice about the “Soft” part. Softball, softdick, softnuts, softhead, softie. It’s basically having the last name Dick and naming your son Harry only to realize the joke afterwards. Woopsie.

I’m part Russian or something so the V works better anyway. Hopefully the Mandela Effect will kick in soon.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

What a tube.

Sovtek
Sovtek
4 years ago

@ Sentient “It’s not a reality being created. It’s communication. Game as far as PUA is styled (putting Blax’s “Game the universe” stuff to the side) is this: the language of female seduction. It is a verbal and physical language.” Thank you for the clarification. This is important for me. My head has a tendency to float away into the clouds and I need to cement this into my head. It’s also important that I don’t pretend I have never used Game in my entire life, and never had success with it. I have at least one memory. Years ago… Read more »

Sovtek
Sovtek
4 years ago

@ kfg You got me there. No matter how many consonants I change, I can’t escape the fact that other people are always gonna give me shit about something. I was gonna say something tubular, but it wasn’t as clever as your comment. And also made no sense. I’ll leave the one liners to you. @ j Yeah, I have to actually be aware not to be autistic with this stuff. But I can see how the way you say something can matter more than what you’re actually saying. @ Sentient Back at my old job I used to learn… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Sovtek: “I’ll leave the one liners to you.”

I’m saving “vacuous” for later.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Sovtek


I don’t remember specifics about what it was. And I don’t remember the first thing I said or did to approach her.”

Exactly what a native speaker would say. “Dude don’t sperg out with this game shit, just be yourself bro”…

Your FR is great and perfectly illistrates my point. Game is the female language of seduction , it is spoken and physical.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“I also never had the foolish idea that I was a bad person or worthless because I didn’t know how to speak this language. I was just excited to learn it and had a lot of fun doing it.”

If only every newb embraced this attitude. Mental models are very powerful.

Beezlebub&Me
Beezlebub&Me
4 years ago

@EhIntellect

It’s interesting that you picked up on my use of the word demand. Respect is as primal as lust. You see this most clearly around violence and in jobs that are physical and dangerous where you will either have respect within the first few moments of an interaction or it is unlikely you ever have respect. What you describe is exactly what my coworkers are doing to get respect from their wives. What they don’t understand is the primal nature of respect.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ Beezelbub “What they don’t understand is the primal nature of respect.” Primal nature of fear…maybe…like betas gorillas fearing a silverback…that’s not respect. It’s a shame about your co-workers though there’s not much you can do other than be a good example, you know? It’s a good conversation btw. Motivation through fear works as long as the fear remains. Dictatorship works until they are toppled…and are they ever. Respect is a higher-order thought process, laying out clear rationale, acting on it over and over until it becomes, well, faith. Over time we forget the rationale, question the faith and in… Read more »

Hcim
Hcim
4 years ago

but that doesn’t mean she was competing for my attention or necessarily attracted…she was trying to sell me their products. She was a just a friendly girl doing her job.

Let’s say it’s never casual, and there’s always a reason in the background, when it’s not on the fore.
So if she isn’t doing her job, seeking revenge on a “friend” of hers, and so on, you may assume she’s either desiring, or playing a game of tantalisation on, you.

Centuries
Centuries
4 years ago

@The Silver FoX

Dude – the last time you dropped in you were riding bike’s with a bitch in the bitch seat and banging those motorcycle mama’s if I’m not mistaken – is this a summer turning to winter in the outback thing???

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Rollo writes about the amorality of RP and he’s right as long as you live as the gorillas do, non-sentient, stimulus-response. We don’t attribute choice to animals. Fido literally can not choose. That’s why isolated RP and evo-bio fails when applied to man. We are sentient and can choose our lot in life, generally. Human Alphas must choose to be Alpha. Not so in nature. But isn’t it the artificial construct of feminism that pushes femininity on men? Wouldn’t men tend to be masculine in their natural state? Of course, in the current artificial environment, men are programmed to be… Read more »

Fact
Fact
4 years ago

Meryl Streep has now admitted that “toxic masculinity” has always been a lie, and feminists are just jealous of Melania.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Nah masculinity is inherent and hormonal, but it’s also by degrees. Some men posses so little that it can be almost imperceptible.

Feminism and femcentric society adds to the blunting effect. This is why the biggest adversaries against the exercise of masculinity can often be other men.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“We don’t attribute choice to animals.” Crows have learned to cross the street with the light. They are crossing the street on the ground because they have placed nuts in it for cars to crack for them, error correcting their placement if they get it a bit wrong the first time. They teach this behavior to other crows. They make tools . . . to make tools and can solve puzzles requiring several steps. Their raw cognitive ability is greater than that of a 5 year old human child. Chimps also have the cognitive development about equal to that of… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Good morning ASD. “Wouldn’t men tend to be masculine in their natural state?” Pre-apple Adam was natural man. He was as masculine as man could be as be as he didn’t think to be else. Then his pride led to his fall. Oh again, this isn’t about God. It’s about not doing stupid stuff. Pride leads to our fall too as we lose objective clarity what the world is for. We start bending the natural rules, backing away from our natural beneficial tendencies and redefining ourselves into something less beneficial as we want something for nothing. Men must choose to… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“Their raw cognitive ability is greater than that of a 5 year old human child.”

I’ve not eaten roadside carrion, though I won’t knock what I’ve not tried. Caw-caw.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

https://www.theonion.com/dolphins-evolve-opposable-thumbs-1819565718

Aoki strongly urged humans, especially those living near the sea, to learn to communicate using a system of clicks and whistles in a frequency range of 4 to 150 kHz. He also encouraged humans to “start practicing their echolocation as soon as possible.”

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“I’ve not eaten roadside carrion . . .”

I haven’t eaten it either, but I’ve collected it to make tools to get something to eat.

Grisly Atoms
Grisly Atoms
4 years ago

I checked The Chateau last night. Roissy has been deplatformed.

Fact
Fact
4 years ago

Prince william rekked the poosy of Kate Middleton’s best friend in the buckingham palace dungeon. So much for the fairy tale, Kate. Savage.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Good day to all. Last night sucked a little. Lots of rejections, but I still danced with quite a few broads.

So Blax, do you think that men can increase their T-levels? And, if so, would that perhaps increase their masculinity?

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@ASD “Good day to all. Last night sucked a little. Lots of rejections, but I still danced with quite a few broads. So Blax, do you think that men can increase their T-levels? And, if so, would that perhaps increase their masculinity?” Your comment started with last night sucked and ended up with can men increase their T-levels. You didn’t have to dumpster dive did you with dancing with the one’s that accepted. What’s up with that? Why do you ask? Is your slip showing? Increased T-Levels=increased masculinity is a sequitur. Yes it is a logical conclusion or consequence of… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Rollo, the 15 minute time limit on editing a comment/post is a little short. I wanted to edit my last post in the last paragraph to sound a little more erudite. Increased T-Levels=increased masculinity is a sequitur. Yes it is a logical conclusion or consequence of facts. There is not hardly a doubt that increased T-levels increases a man’s masculinity. To think otherwise is clinically retarded/autistic and bowing to the FI. The trick is in testing it and being able to navigate ways to Get It UP. You will find resistance in doing that old man. IOW, increased T-Levels undoubtedly… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Ok, SJF, here are some details from last night, back in my own home town. First, one of my male friends grabbed my ass with both hands and shook it. Second, during a line dance dance, I briefly acted gay, like I was humping one of my male friends. Experimenting with some stupid shit. Don’t do that again. (No, I didn’t have a boner. Pervs. lol) Then I got loads of rejections, lol. Broads I had danced with before didn’t wanna dance with me again. One guy was trying to get me to let him mow my lawn. He even… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

…. I gotta start hanging out where asd hangs out. Whole lot of ” rubbing ” going on.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“Then, at the next line dance, she was dancing right next to me. I continually felt like I was being propositioned. Didn’t like it.” It’s a covert bait to swing. The husband uses her as bait and wants to see if you’re game. You played along a little humpty hump, they immediately responded. It’s like a hooker asking you “Wanna have a good time?” They’ll assume you’re into it being overtly sexual…esp. gay. It’s like you won’t mind his dick exposed while you bang. Like a fluffer. New Jersey governor Jim McGreevy had a dude fluff him before he banged… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“One guy was trying to get me to let him mow my lawn. He even sicked his girl on me and she was rubbing her tits against me.” That’s a fairly live wire emotional issue that is not worth being wrapped in working work and pleasure. Getting your lawn mowed vs. doing it yourself. I’ve been there and done that. I won’t let any man mow my suburban lawn. I pray a pretty penny to mow my farm land clubhouse land. I lost my last guy to crystal meth smoking. He stopped communicating with me. Go figure. I paid the… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
4 years ago

“Butt Doing”.

Bart
Bart
4 years ago

Knowing what I know, I could never be loyal to a woman. It would be like going back to believing in Santa.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Women aren’t Santa 🎅. Don’t twist stuff into something it’s never been.

Re-examination of what it is that you think you know is in order, because you knew something that wasn’t true. It wasn’t women that wasn’t true, but how you perceived them.

Raj Republican
4 years ago

This is where I have a huge problem with the Red Pill theory. You guys do not differentiate between female libido and female provisioning. Women waste PLENTY of time on ‘muh potential’ if the guy is hot. Look at the bitter, lovelorn female commenters on Matthew Hussey videos in how they waste years of their lives waiting on these guys. How many thousands of ‘winners’ already established in careers did they pass up waiting for the lovable loser to make something of himself and commit to her? Conflating the hypothetical ‘war bride’ thing is not immediate enough relative to what… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

P&G has a Gender Equality Executive Sponsor behind the Gillette ads:

https://qz.com/quartzy/1626698/pg-exec-behind-viral-gillette-ad-talks-toxic-masculinity/

wahoo Mcdaniels
4 years ago

“Knowing what I know, I could never be loyal to a woman. It would be like going back to believing in Santa.”

The blue pill is pervasive and insidious. Because it is sold as who we are as men.

https://medium.com/s/buy-yourself/people-dont-buy-products-they-buy-better-versions-of-themselves-d481390bfcee

“people don’t buy products because of what those products do, they buy products because of what they can do — or what they imagine they can do — with them”

gregg
gregg
4 years ago

to work,The problem is that we look at women sexual strategies from our point of view. So we think – ok, if a man is successful, has his shit togehther, is strong and masculine, women should love him. Yes, it gives a sense and it seems logical. I know a lot of guys like that and let me tell you right now, that their wives or girlfriends are NOT vixens of our fantasies. I know some of the most powerful and STRONG, masculine men in my country and their wives are at best average, so they engage in dishonorabale behaviour… Read more »

LEX
LEX
4 years ago

OK, except that they don’t want to fuck the winners. They want to fuck the loser jerk who chokes her. Go, on, hate me. I am just reporting what I have observed time and time again. This is not theory. Women’s “picker” for men is totally fucking dreadful. They cannot tell a winner from a loser. They literally cannot. Oh, they will say that they want a successful man…. but that is only if he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about them. If he gives any sort of a shit about her then he is cannon fodder, something to be… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“The other part that you are totally not covering . . . Do you see?”

Start reading from The Best of Year One. Between the articles and the comments, not only has everything you brought up been discussed, but probably everything you could think of has been discussed.

Andy
Andy
4 years ago

Hey fellas. Was thinking about you all today. Hope everything is going well for everyone.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

@Andy
Good to see you drop by.

Kyle
Kyle
4 years ago

This is a bit of a desperate grasp at content isn’t it. You username hypergamy 4 times in your opening paragraph.

JD Kaplan
JD Kaplan
4 years ago

Rollo, I think this essay rubbed some of your former colleagues the wrong way because you disagreed with them. This been essay might’ve been one of the last straws.

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