Male Authority – Provisioning vs. Duty

I’ve been watching Outlaw King on Netflix recently. There’s a part where the wife of Robert the Bruce says ‘Power is making decisions, and whatever course you are charting, I choose you, my husband’ It struck me that my own wife had said almost these same words to me in 2005. When I’d decided to take a job in Orlando that would uproot us from family and friends. There was no “,…but what about my friends, career, etc.?” from her and I had no hesitation to consider anything but taking the position. She said, “You are my husband, I go where you go.”

How many men hold a default Frame in their marriage? Many women are reluctant to even accept their husband’s last name today. There’s a lot of bullshit reasons for this, but the core truth is that women have no confidence in their man in the long term. They don’t trust his ‘course’. There’s holding Frame, and then there’s establishing a long term Frame, a paradigm, a reality of his own, that defines a man’s authority in his marriage and family relationships. Women today still want marriage, but few want to defer to their husband’s ‘course’. They don’t trust him with her life.

And why would they? For the past four or five generations men have been portrayed in popular culture as untrustworthy. Either they are Beta buffoons in need of women’s uniquely female ‘reasoning’ (which is really male reasoning with breasts) to save them from themselves, or they’re malicious Alpha malcontents (or perverts) also in need of female correction to bring them to female approved justice. It’s the retribution fantasy of feminism played out in popular media, but the societal result is generations of women who have no inherent respect of men and even less trust in any beneficial course they might plot out for them as future wives.

There’s also the male perspective to consider in this. Most men approach their marriage and long term relationships from what is ostensibly an egalitarian perspective. “Equality”, playing fair, being an “equal partner” a pretense of egalitarianism, is all a cover story for a power dynamic that is truly based on resource dynamics. In a ‘modern marriage’, male authority, even just the idea of it, is ceded by default to the woman. I’ll explain why in a moment.

Today’s marriage stats and the socioeconomic variables within marriage point to a very cold truth; if you make less money than your wife, statistically, your marriage is far more likely to dissolve. In couples where a woman outearns her husband divorce rates increase. Virtually every article written about this power dynamic attempts to paint the men involved as ‘feeling threatened‘ by their wives’ success, but the visceral truth can be distilled through the process of women’s Hypergamy. As you might guess, our feminine-centric social order can never allow for an unflattering picture of women, thus men must look like ridiculous, insecure, man-babies – this is another piece of the puzzle – but the stats don’t lie, only the reasoning for them misleads us culturally.

In an “egalitarian” marriage it is actually financial considerations that imbalance that idealistic fantasy of a “coequal partnership”. Men and masculinity are made to look ridiculous, insecure, potentially violent and incompetent on a social scale. This effort to delegitimize anything male has been going on since the late 1960s. The social impact of this has resulted in several generations whose default impression of men in general is one of distrust. Either distrust based in men’s potential for abusiveness, or largely more a distrust based in a default presumption of incompetence. Women cannot trust a man with her life because a majority of men are ridiculous buffoons, no better than big children and now we add that almost 40% of them are outearned by their wives.

Is it any wonder women have no default respect for a man’s course for their lives? In fact, given these modern circumstances, fantasies of an egalitarian marriage being the ideal notion are really the only way to justify marriage at all for women. Thus, we’ve crafted a new ideal of marriage that furnishes women with legal and social failsafes to make what looks like a really horrible, life-long attachment to a buffoon or an abuser just palatable enough to have women believe things might work out for them. Don’t worry ladies, the egalitarian ideal, that any potential husband worth your consideration will subscribe to wholesale, provides you not only with options that will absolve you of all responsibility for his (and your own) failures, but you’ll never have to really do anything he says. The law is on your side, and the very premise of an egalitarian marriage frees you from ever having to go along with one of his half-baked life plans for the both of you. In fact, as long as you make more money than him, you’ll almost surely be doing the ‘course’ setting for the both of you.

Needless to say this is not conducive to women entertaining a default deference to men’s authority. If women’s baseline impression of men is one of incompetence, ridiculousness and distrust, and then you combine it with the fact that over a third of them wont be earning the same financially we begin to see the reasons for the decline in marriage today. If the default perception of men is one of expected incompetence, why would a woman ever want to get married?

This is kind of a quandary. In marriage, a man’s authority today only extends to this monetary wealth – there is no inherent authority associated with being male despite what feminist bleat about ‘male privilege’. Wealth enforces will, but women still seek to find ways around accepting that authority by assuming control of that wealth. This is one reason why “financial abuse” has been fashioned into a form of spousal abuse, but there are many other means of emotional control that mitigates male authority-by-wealth.

Even when a man is the primary breadwinner his means to authority in his marriage is still mitigated. A man’s provisioning for his wife and family has always been considered a ‘manly duty’. Even the most masculinity-confused, Vichy Males are still conditioned to assume providership as a masculine trait that is ‘non-toxic’ and approved by their teachers. In most Trad-Con thought a man isn’t even to be considered a “man” unless he can prove his competence in generating more resources than he needs for himself. The direction of every aspiration he has must be applied to providing for a future wife, their children, likely their (her) extended family and then extended to society. By the old set of books a man can’t even be given the title of “man” (or “a real man”) unless he can prove he’s prepared himself to be a good husband, father and community leader.

While there’s nothing inherently wrong with a strong desire to fulfill this provisioning agenda, the men who do accept this as their “manly duty” are conditioned to only see their sacrifices as their expected responsibility. They are actively discouraged from ever assuming any authority might be forthcoming in exchange for their sacrifices. Not even a man’s wealth is a guarantee of authority; certainly not if he’s been conditioned to believe that an egalitarian marriage is an ideal, much less a possibility.

And now we come full circle – the promulgation of an egalitarian ideal in marriage, in gender equity, in the retribution and restitution that feminism is based on, all of this and more has the latent purpose of stripping men of any concept of authority, while enforcing the ideal of male responsibility. In The Second Set of Books I made the case that most (Beta) men today live by, or would like to live by, an old social contract that on the surface seems noble. They believe in an anachronism that promises them that honor, duty, chivalry and a default respect of women will, sooner or later, be appreciated by a woman with the “quality” enough to appreciate it and show that appreciation by accepting him for her intimate attentions. Only later do they come to realize that their dedication to that anachronism is misplaced and the exchange of duty for authority is not only erased, but he’s perceived as a “toxic” monster or a ridiculous “macho” fool for ever expecting that exchange. The world is actually playing by a second set of books that expects all of his ‘honor-bound’ beliefs are his responsibility, but nothing he sacrifices grants him any authority.

Last week I hosted a Special Edition of the Red Man Group in which we discussed whether a married man today is by default Blue Pill or Beta.

RMG_Patriarchs_Title_defaultIt’s almost impossible to broach this topic without accusations of bias or personal circumstance coloring a man’s perspective of marriage – and that’s from either side of the topic. I wasn’t endorsing marriage in this; if anything I made a case against marriage based on the same questioning of men’s authority I’ve explored in this essay. By today’s standards, marriage is far too dicey a prospect for me to ever advocate for. But how far are we willing to take this abandoning of dominance hierarchies in intersexual relationships? I recently got into a debate as to whether monogamous relationships – outside formal marriage – were even beneficial for men today. In that discussion we dissected the history of monogamy and in human relations it’s at least somewhat accepted that monogamy and two-parent investment in offspring was a dynamic that’s been beneficial to our own and some other species. I think that in the past, when social circumstance was different, the concept of monogamy and the institution of marriage were instrumental in our advancement and largely beneficial. All that’s changed now and much of the second set of books I referred to in this essay is predicated on an egalitarianism that has erased male authority and placed it on the shoulders of women who are ill-equipped (and honestly not wanting) to use that authority.

This last sentence here is going to seem like heresy to those invested in blank-slate, egalitarian equalism and fempowerment, but the truth is evident and unignorable that an evolved patriarchal authority has progressed us to an age where we’ve become prosperous enough to entertain thoughts of abandoning it. Stripping men of authority while still expecting a default, and total, responsibility is a really good summation of the two sets of books – the conflict between the old and the new social contract. And yes, I’m aware of the all the arguments that this state of disempowering men is by some political design. Destabilizing the family starts with delegitimizing male authority and confusing generations of men about the aspects of masculinity. Doubt and self-loathing are key in men policing other men for presumptions of authority. It’s crabs in the bucket – when one man presumes authority there need to be ten more to pull him back down into confusion and doubt.

So where do we go with this from here? Even the most ‘Con’ of Trad-Con women will still default to their fempowerment conditioning when presented with a default male authority they are supposed to follow. Can a man be a leader in his own home anymore? MGTOWs will tell you no, and they’d be right. You can’t out-Alpha the state. But the state is still comprised of men and women with their own preconceptions and belief-sets. Our evolved firmware still predisposes us to conventional gender roles, and that predisposition is also one of women expecting  male competence, decisiveness and dominance. Women still want a man to follow in spite of their conditioning to distrust men’s competence. Maybe a new form of monogamy is in order. Egalitarianism is a dead end, it only defaults to 100% female authority and 100% male responsibility. But perhaps at some point, when things get so bad that women are forced to take a chance on the men they think are potential buffoons and abusers, a new kind of “marriage” can come out of the morass that egalitarianism has made of marriage.

How do we get back to a state of male authority based on a woman’s trust of her husband? I would like to believe I have this with my wife today, but I know that this is tenuous from the perspective of true, actionable authority. I once came down hard on a pastor who was advising the women of his congregation to “allow” their husbands to lead them. He was basically asking the women to stand down and trust God that their husbands we’re actually worthy of their trust. He didn’t know it, but his entire premise stemmed from women already acknowledging that they had ultimate authority over their husband as a given. Most pastors are pussy-whipped, so this default authority is usually presumed as a sexual threat-point women will exercise over their husbands. What he didn’t understand was that women’s authority is his default for a much deeper, more socially expansive reason. So even to ask women to allow their husbands to exercise ‘headship’ is ludicrous – it’s something even those women have no power to do because the presumption of authority is always in their favor. They can’t allow their men authority over them because the social paradigm they live in wont allow them to allow it.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Most young men are Darwin Award candidates…death before reproducing their genes.

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“You just can’t go through life being afraid of what ifs, this type of thinking is counterproductive.The only thing it can possibly produce is the things you fear the most. If she leaves she leaves,don’t sweat the small stuff. Don’t be a chickenshit.”

tl; dr

Gotta grow a pair sometime.

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Yep! Allow Reddit style replies to individual comments (and replies to the replies and so on).

Rollo tried threaded replies in that style a few years back and many people despised it in short order. It becomes more difficult to follow a thread due to having to scan the entire comment thread, because nesting creates subthreads., and there’s always someone who takes up a new subthread under an older comment, or rewrites a comment in another subthread…gotta scan the whole danged thing. It’s really a pain with more than 50 or so comments.

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It’s fairly obvious that Orson and the Johan LieHard troll are pathologically under the influence of The Madonna/Whore complex. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna-whore complex That also relates to the original post: (From Practical Female Psychology by South and Franco) The Female View of Sex and Politics Another factor which makes this even more complicated is the fact that the Complex has very much to do with gender politics and the balance of power between men and women. One woman under the effect of the Complex can create for herself a life where her sexuality has been totally taken out of the equation when… Read more »

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Blaximus I get what you are saying 100%. I guess my blindspot arises from not having people in my life that have gone full chameleon on me. I’m not discussing “full chameleon” or anything like that. I’m looking around at my extended family and social circle both now and in the past, and seeing people who changed over time for better or worse. Specifically I have seen women go from being pretty pleasant people to real unpleasant, perpetually angry or contentious, apparently as a result of a change in their life – pregnancy literally changes a woman’s brain wiring for… Read more »

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@JohnD “I go clubbing on my own for fuck sake. “I’m more depressed when I do this”. You don’t got anyone to go out with or do the guys you do go out with suck, hence you’d rather go out alone? For me, having a good wing, who you can talk to about women, go out with, and pushes you to improve, is invaluable. Here’s my way of recruiting good wings. I added another one just last night (convo between me and my main wing last night: https://imgur.com/a/gflwJ2Z ), using the strategy below. Whenever the clubs in your area start… Read more »

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Orson, are you on the rag again? Cuz you keep voting me down, lol.

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For example, I’ve learned that if I try to make “connecting” my focus and goal rather than closing, then with a deep enough “connection” the 7.5 could turn into a 10 for me. So labeling a woman a “7.5” or “10” before I’ve made a connection with her is simply meaningless.

Yeah, this guy is close to the mark…I like feminine and sweet and a musical voice…and she has to meet my minimum level of attractiveness…this connects for me…

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You picking up dudes now? Lol

Re “men turning 30” and Rajorjack… The word you are looking for is “maturing”…

Growing up is something that eventually happens. For stunted mid 20s virgins, it’s still gonna happen… Just later.

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@Sentient

“The word you are looking for is “maturing”…”

suddenly wanting to have a GF = maturing?

https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/327628-asked-a-girl-i-m-fucking-to-be-my-gf-she-said-she-ain-t-ready-yet

ok…lol

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Meanwhile NFL spent the day going full WK…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NWGX0faEN1c

Over this.

PS – those girls… Lmao

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lol. I was gonna link that story earlier, cause I wanted to hear @blax’s thoughts on it.

Kareem said, the chick called him a nigger and hit one of his female friends, before he lost control and beat the shit out of her. In the ESPN interview this afternoon, he said he was raised by a single mom and his grandma. No father figure.

http://fabwags.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/kareem-hunt-stephanie-riggins-1.jpg

beta tells

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Ya gots to work on the reading comprehension…

What about Razaorjack’s quote had to do with a girlfriend? Come on…

See if you can find a common thread in D’s and Razorjacks quotes…

What was your major in college btw?

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“See if you can find a common thread in D’s and Razorjacks quotes…”

Razorjackoff:

“So my advice to my younger self would be to not focus so much on the actual pick up skills but to look at overall lifestyle and ask what he would like to FEEL and how could he make it happen for himself.

We all know what is going on here.

And it’s called “release from constraint”.

Perfect is boring. Don’t always try so hard, but do put in the effort.

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@Sentient “What about Razaorjack’s quote had to do with a girlfriend?” My takeaway from Razor’s quotes (which was a response to my hypothetical scenario I presented, in that thread), was that earlier in his life, he’d go for the girl who he was most physically attracted to. Regardless of whether or not they were a good fit. As he reached his 30s, he then changed his strategy to screen for girls that were a better fit for mLTR/threesomes (i.e a girlfriend). The thread I linked to in response to your question, was about a 33 year old player who NOW… Read more »

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“And now, at 48 years of age, Razorjack says connecting is actually the most important thing for him. which I take that, as having a girl in your life that you favor her psychological makeup over her physical attributes (still important…but not as important as the past).” That’s otherwise know as settling. Clinically retarded. What the fuck are you speculating about that you never have experienced and you are making up? Don’t forecast you future, live your current life forward. I still favor my wife’s physical attributes. And so do most other red pill guys. What the fuck is this… Read more »

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A R I have cut ties with family members who pose a serious threat to my way of life, or posed as impediments. Usually they were highly negative or angry without trying to resolve their issues or just not at all serious about their lives. There’s only been a few, but I see it as necessary. Overhead children with 2 completely different women. After the hormonal fuckery of pregnancy subsided ( something else many men don’t know is possible or are prepared for ), they were only ” changed ” insofar as the were now mothers with little tiny infants… Read more »

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“It’s no use, she got 0 eggs.”

What use do you speak of troll?

She’s very useful. What are you? Like a teenager? With no idea of the utility of women?

We have two well raised children that are adults.

And haven’t had desire for more since 1996.

So, you got a plan to put eggs to work, right?

Take it easy.

https://youtu.be/e1klc9UCPp4

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Give trolls zero justification.

Let us who has ears hear.

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Lol, italics fail followed by spellchecker buffoonery.

G’night.

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“Give trolls zero justification.

Let us who has ears hear.”

In-group altruism. Out-group malice.

Share our similarities. Don’t abide by our differences. Red Pill wise.

It doesn’t make sense to not be Red Pill aware and use Red Pill practice.

Rollo’s blog was set up to move forward as men. With agency. Not to speculate. Not for mental masturbation.

Some here either just don’t get it. Or are anti-Red pill.

Or are still unplugging. Denial, Anger, Bargaining or Depression. One pill short of Acceptance.

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Oh, and re: Kareem Hung Helleva running back. Too bad. I’ve had plenty of fights in life, and I’ve seen Kareem. I’d have to think long and hard before getting into any kind of physical altercation with him. He’s stronger th a 2-3 average men combined. A hard punch is just another day at the office for him. It won’t register. Women stepping to this or any man should automatically disqualify charges of abuse , domestic or otherwise. I wouldn’t walk up on Hunt like she did, so who the fuck is she? Did she watch wonder woman the night… Read more »

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“I wouldn’t walk up on Hunt like she did, so who the fuck is she?” A girl, and therefore, in her mind, immune. “People need to back the fuck up sometimes. The law should emphasize this. Stay out of people’s faces.” Technically it does, which is going to work against Kareem. Because she got up in his face the first shot might have been a legal freebie (at least if she were a man), but at the moment he had to be restrained he was no longer defending himself, he was fighting. Law says that you can’t get up in… Read more »

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““lol. I know I’m an interesting dude, but I’m not answering questions about which college I attended/major, job, name, or where I live, on this forum. Sorry.”

j: no chops.

j has poopies and needs a diaper change. I guess he could possibly potty train himself though he prefers the feel of poopy bottom and validation of someone wiping him.

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You kidults, if you’re good enough, you can beat the hell out of her and expect her to defend you
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Ray Rice

“To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ass off for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don’t you all get?” — Janay Rice

[http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11493042/janay-rice-defends-ray-rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post]

Consequences are consequences though…

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@J My situation is that at 30 in the clubs, I get more IOI from women in their 20s and 30s than any of the guys in their 20s in there. Why? Because I am an outcast. Everyone in the club is in their early 20s (few are in their 30s, women and men). I am in better shape than I was in my mid 20s. So, yeah, my SMV is higher than it was in my 20s and this is reflective in my experience. I spent my whole 20s at University sarging and the competition was high! Pea-cocking, isn’t… Read more »

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“What was your major in college btw?”

lol. I know I’m an interesting dude, but I’m not answering questions about which college I attended/major, job, name, or where I live, on this forum. Sorry.

Don’t flatter yourself… I’m trying to understand why you have such difficulty in identifying concepts… and whether it is worthwhile in engaging further with you as a result.

You’ve already provided where you live btw.

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“Unfortunately, the red-pill has given me a catch 22 knowing that if a woman can never give me the connection I want….” Good morning JohnD. Food for thought here: When you write “connection I want” are you trying to engender something a woman is not willing to give you or impossible for a woman to give you? Consider what women are capable of giving and why they give it rather than considering primarily your desire. Build your life back to front with untrammeled, unromantic methods. This method reduces the danger of false expectations and allows you to work with actionable… Read more »

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@AR Blaximus “I get what you are saying 100%. I guess my blindspot arises from not having people in my life that have gone full chameleon on me.” I’m not discussing “full chameleon” or anything like that. I’m looking around at my extended family and social circle both now and in the past, and seeing people who changed over time for better or worse. Specifically I have seen women go from being pretty pleasant people to real unpleasant, perpetually angry or contentious, apparently as a result of a change in their life – pregnancy literally changes a woman’s brain wiring… Read more »

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@JohnD

“Something clicks in your mind at 30 that tells you to this behavior cannot continue, and I am obviously not the only one who has experienced it.”

That has been my experience too. Roosh V said something similar in one of his latest streams. He doesn’t enjoy anymore hitting the club scene and interacting with younger people.
I did that lifestyle for a couple of years after my LTR ended and then found myself completely exhausted and unfulfilled.
I am probably the most black pilled man in the entire manosphere now.

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You are my husband, I go where you go. Back to the OP for a minute… I had this same experience Rollo… three times. 1st when we were newly married and had a year old baby and I said I was going to start a business… 100% support. Then when i moved that business and planned to commute on weekends back home. She said no way, she was moving to be there. 100% support. Then when I got out of that business and into something new… 100% support. The real fly in the ointment was HABD’s story… children. A child… Read more »

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@JohnD “Well, my Pea-cocking is my age difference now to the other guys in the club”. Damn then I guess I’ve been peacocking all this time! As a 25 year old, competing with guys younger than me and going after girls in the 18-24 range. lol, but seriously. You think you’re old, here’s Skills: 40 year old Latino player, whose been doing this shit for 20+ years. What you’ll notice, if you go through his YouTube videos, is that his main chick is always present. Recording his videos (narcy as fuck lmao). Which are on picking up new chicks. Here’s… Read more »

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@ HABD “in order to get there, he has to swallow that RP ALL the way down… and pushing against all that FI/social conditioning is its own challenge” Financially successful women subconsciously react to their AF requirement. She can choose whomever AF to fulfill that and…IMO, a guy’s shamelessness helps. Nothing to prove to her, nothing to prove to himself and that attracts women and women with inferiority complexes especially, lots of them out there. She can’t AF herself so to perpetuate those sexual good feelz and subsequent bad feelz they’re programmed to respond to (no post-sex skittles from that… Read more »

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“Alpha Male Strategies (39 years old btw) talks about this here, telling guys to stop throwing pussy away . . .”

Thanks for the warning.

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Pro tip: It’s not wise to search out ” connection ” in da club.😁 c’mon, that’s basic common sense. Being trained to seek out women at parties and clubs is self limiting and will not give you desires results over time. This is part of the Maturity equation that sentient was alluding to. A mature man understands and wants different things than an immature man, and age is not a marker of maturity. Having the same experience over and over and over again without progressing is really a waste of a man’s time and life. SOME men utilizing pua are… Read more »

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I did that lifestyle for a couple of years after my LTR ended and then found myself completely exhausted and unfulfilled. Sooo, you use the club scene to improve yourself–especially your leadership skills. There are plenty of untrained and potentially valuable people at the club. You train men so that they are improved. You train women so that they are improved and actually have value. You add people of value to your social circle. All of a sudden, you have some payback for your time at the club! Of course, you can do this anywhere, but people who frequent clubs… Read more »

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These men today are experiencing a very different kind of club. Today clubs are mostly driven by the female narrative.

This ain’t really a social club scenario.

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99% of men irl will never build any kind of harem or even effectively spin plates. That is a pipe dream.

Wake up.

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“99% of men irl will never build any kind of harem or even effectively spin plates.” Somehow the red pill sells this idea that men will be able to do this once they reach their SMV peak at 35! Most men at that age start to get bald and grey hair appear on his beard! He loses the passion and incentive to endlessly chase women who are in their 20’s which are more difficult to date and even more difficult to keep in STR/LTR especially if you are average looking and with no social status. Most women who take interest… Read more »

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yeah must be only me

male-pattern hair loss = 50% of males

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Easy solution: don’t care.

I’ll also note that the latest hair fashion trend with the younger crowd is dying it grey.

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I live in the current year. I just have decades of experience, whatever your name is.😂

It’s obvious you’re so far below my level, you can’t comprehend what I say. That’s cool because other guys reading along will get it, so not only are you. tool, but you’re a useful tool.

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Rich Cooper would just throw those red pill cliche one-liners:

“Do you even lift bro?”

“Just be alpha!”

“You just need to bee more confident bro”
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” marriage is no insulation from sexual marketplace.”

For who?

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I see what you what you did there EhIntellect in your response to HABD.

You described the Alpha archetype of romance novels being just out of the reach of high earning females yearning for the perfect romance.

That is way detailed here (from PUA site GirlsChase, even J can read this, even if he can’t understand the concepts):

https://www.girlschase.com/content/what-romance-novel-tells-us-women-want

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Your Monday Meme
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Froggy Style…

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@ᒍOᕼᗩᑎ ᒪIEᗷEᖇT

Psychology/Psychoanalysis are worthless if they can’t teach you that alpha fucks and beta bucks.

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“Easy solution: don’t care”. yeah I mean, you got guys like Krauser, Richard of Street Attraction, and Vadim of Honest Signalz, who still pull despite being bald. There’s always gonna be some girls that are just flat out turned off by bald men, girls that dig bald men (maybe she has reference experience of dating a sexy bald guy in her past), and girls that just don’t mind. Trying it hide it, is what actually seems to be universally unattractive to girls because it signals insecurity. 2:44 Here’s a hilarious bit by Ryen Russillo, on his experience when he first… Read more »

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Women lie in those interviews. It should never be taken seriously what they reply. Their actions usually reveal that they do exactly the opposite of what they said.

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“You are my husband, I go where you go.”

earlier marriage = more places you go and she follows

something builds when you do those moves together

not so much when you’re marrying her at 35

and on that front, this time of year is brutal because you see people from the neighborhood…

i’d be lying if i said it didn’t give me some kind of sick pleasure to know that guys i didn’t like growing up are marrying old sluts and becoming stepfathers

being awake is so much fun

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” Did you believe that Donald Trump could be your president?”

Yup. Anything’s possible, especially under the right circumstances.

I even said so right here at TRM.

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Today clubs are mostly driven by the female narrative.

A man skilled at Game can impose his frame even on today’s clubs.

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But most men are not skilled at Game. Not even the pua followers.

If a guy was skilled at Game, he wouldn’t constantly go out to clubs to get girls. He’d get them all over the place, all of the time. Dependency on particular environments isn’t at all Game.

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Orson, do you look like either of these guys?

Ever see a guy like the one on the right pull hot chicks?

Why would a guy like the one on the right ever be able to pull hot chicks? What steps would he need to do in his OWN life FIRST???

So confidence, grooming, being fit and healthy, none of that matters?

What fucking year is this again?

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Blaximus The meme is exaggerated to be funny…most people including myself fall in the middle of the spectrum. “What steps would he need to do in his OWN life FIRST???” Maybe it’s better to not sell false hopes to the guy on the right like he can pull the hottest girls if he does follow those steps? The point is not to undermine the validity of those steps …just their limitations. And confidence means nothing in itself. The guy on the left derives his confidence from the positive feeback loops he receives because of his looks… he won the genetic… Read more »

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“Maybe it’s better to not sell false hopes to the guy on the right like he can pull the hottest girls if he does follow those steps?
The point is not to undermine the validity of those steps …just their limitations”

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“Maybe it’s better to not sell false hopes to the guy on the right like he can pull the hottest girls if he does follow those steps? The point is not to undermine the validity of those steps …just their limitations. And confidence means nothing in itself. The guy on the left derives his confidence from the positive feeback loops he receives because of his looks… he won the genetic lottery. They both might have been born with the same confidence but as life unfolds the one receives constant validation because of his looks and the other has his confidence… Read more »

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As you believe, As you are.

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“Many sex workers also worry the curtailment of their Tumblrs will lead to a loss in profits. Daisy, an 18-year-old sex worker from Mississippi, told The Daily Beast she regularly used the website to advertise sexting services and webcam streaming to her more than 45,000 followers.”

sexting services?

lol.

women have amazing ability to take everything men create and turn it into a platform for better advertising their pussies to more desirable men

stop giving women:

attention
jizz
new tech
non soy protein
protection

and all this shit fixes itself in less than a decade

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Blax

Thing is these autistic spectrum guys want to believe this shit. It’s not open to questioning or any reality based push back on their thinking.

That “thinking” is their payoff…

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“As you believe, As you are” More feel good bullshit. But now I can see why we’re getting hate: “Normies hate depressed negative people even if they are more realistic. It makes them feel uncomfortable. Just always being happy and delusional will get you much further in life even if you’re ugly”. “It’s better to be so good looking that despite being blue pilled everything works out for you, so you always just keep living in a fantasyland. I’ve noticed a lot of good looking pastors for whom I suspect this to be the case. If your life is amazing,… Read more »

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@j “A man’s mind may be likened to a garden, which may be intelligently cultivated or allowed to run wild; but whether cultivated or neglected, it must, and will, bring forth. If no useful seeds are put into it, then an abundance of useless weed seeds will fall therein, and will continue to produce their kind.” ― James Allen, As a Man Thinketh Quotes From As a Man Thinketh “Men do not attract what they want, but what they are.” “A man is literally what he thinks, his character being the complete sum of all his thoughts.” “Cherish your visions.… Read more »

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“Men do not attract what they want, but what they are.”

Take notice of who is in agreement with your view, what they do and who they are.

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Normies hate depressed negative people even if they are more realistic…..”

What???

Lmfao.

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“Thing is these autistic spectrum guys want to believe this shit. It’s not open to questioning or any reality based push back on their thinking.” Hence all j says is shit, all mersonia says is shit, all Orson says is shit. It doesn’t bring me pleasure pointing it out but it sure doesn’t help them not to. It’s not the PUA, it’s them. Pull that fleece from their eyes and they’re suicidal. They spend more time patching their cracking foundations i.e. why “some totally-other-guy-not like-me” isn’t scoring, why they have a special sexytime sauce system only they can deliver. j… Read more »

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I humbly ask the commenters here to overlook the forth coming humble-brag. J, I still dig you ( and your apparently crazy ass ) so take this as it’s put forth. If I had a wish ( delusional, I know ), I’d loke to be able to do a comparison of my feel good bullshit, and whatever it is that you profess wrt how successful it is over the next 30+ years of your life vs my life so far. 1st, since it seems to be something that gives you a reason to live, Let’s compare N counts. To sweeten… Read more »

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For clarity, there’s nothing wrong with having issues in life, mental or otherwise. Part of living.

But the feminine trait of always trying to excuse fuckery is pure bullshit. Staying in anger and depression and misunderstanding is not correct. You try until you die.

There’s enough motherfuckers claiming to embrace their angry ineptitude here, and not grasping how to move forward. Bufferville USA.

I’m not angry, lol, but if I were, I wouldn’t be so in 30 minutes.

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“I’ve never seen a animal documentary where a male lion just lounged under a tree waiting for a gazelle to walk up showing interest.”

On the other hand, leopards lounge in the tree waiting for a gazelle to walk under it. Or, as the fossil record seems to indicate, a girl.

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@boulderhead “Take notice of who is in agreement with your view, what they do and who they are.” My view is that, guys not at least above average in looks (looks threshold), really shouldn’t bother going to nightclubs trying to get with the hotties (go for your looksmatch is my advice to those guys). RSD and YaReally lied. Looks do matter. No amount of high level game is gonna help an ugly fat son of a bitch score score consistently with hotties via cold approach (keyword: consistently. Not once in a blue moon). I am above average in face, 6ft… Read more »

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Fuck your good looking loser bullshit, J, lol. I’m not biting.

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No amount of high level game is gonna help an ugly fat son of a bitch score score consistently with hotties via cold approach Well, maybe I’ll rebut this bullshit for the lurkers. Who gives a flying fuck about some specific “cold approach” bullshit? Bob Hope and Henry Kissinger were ugly fucks who both banged beauties consistently. Well, it’s not fair to compare average guys to them because they were famous and had status. This is the point of Game. You have status because of who you are and how you behave–because of your Game. Status that comes from Game… Read more »

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Scray was a dick. A stupid dick at that.😁 J, You still miss something important. I stepped up in life for me first. I stopped listening to people that said a thing couldn’t be done, because they’d never seen or experienced it. There’s nothing complicated at all or abstract in what I’m saying. Having a family never put any kind of ” pressure ” on me. I try not to let outside stuff pressure me. I will pressure myself when necessary. I earned because standard knowledge said I wasn’t supposed to do so. Everybody knows…etc.😂 If I were to tell… Read more »

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@j Baptiste Giabiconi isn’t handicapped in the looks dept, all he would have to do is not fuck it up. We used to go to the lake every weekend to water ski ,frisbee ,toke , drink beer and chase girls.I was the third rider in an old chevy van with two cousins Duane and Gary. Duane was the oldest,it was his van he was about 5’7 with an alfred e newman face right outa mad magazine and gary was 5’9 and built like a lifter with those same goofy looks. One afternoon we meet these three chicks in a car,I… Read more »

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@j The more I think about it old Billy was right. The guy on the left if he smiled and held his posture right he would have crows feet dimples and an adams apple add a fumanchu and a pony tail he would outscore the guy on the left,he would looklike the southpaw that rearanged the guy on the lefts nose and put that squinky look in his eyes. Back in the day men did give each other fair treatment ,it was part of being a man. We didn’t tell a guy he couldn’t score because looks matter,rather he would… Read more »

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Blax Good list of 1 to 7… J is referring to Scars not Scray. Scars did “everything right” – except fix his head, and his crippling inferiority complexes… They always leave out things like that… Same as they always go from “don’t go out unless you are slightly above average” to “3 foot 2 two headed blah blah”. It’s a feature of autism, the inability to reconcile nuance, the difficulty in identifying and relating concepts. It’s all 0 or 11… No matter, the coming economic hardships will render these luxuries of thought obsolete, and relegate the aforementioned to their rightful… Read more »

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Men, young men specifically, have been heavily feminized. They think and act/react more like women than men. Society demands this of them. Then some wonder why women treat them the way they do. If you watch a large group of girls over time, a hierarchy will be established. Whoever falls to the bottom of that hierarchy will always be treated lesser in some fashion, even if the girls all consider themselves ‘ besties ‘. If the bottom dweller steps out of line, the treatment she gets from the group mirrors the treatment a girl will display towards a man lacking… Read more »

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Like examine J’s claim here

“Unfortunately some guys can not go through life continuing to be delusional and believing things they simply know are not true, once they have been exposed to the ugly truth. ”

So he can’t work out why he went what 6 or 8 years from high school through college without getting laid because “looks matter” while his looks have not appreciably changed since then… But now he has 72 notches so of course looks matter!!!

Lol.

Or Scars… Despite being an “old” goofy looking fucker banging a “teenage goddess”…

But yeah schedule that plastic surgery…

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Sentient,

Yup. There’s definitely a eco-storm brewing, and it’s gonna be a doosey. Unfortunately it’s necessary, but it’s gonna sting.

But maybe some of the autism will subside when ” how am I going to live ” becomes the equation instead of ‘ teh hb9’. There’s opportunity in destruction.

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Lol, I’m moving cash around like a money launderer or the Sinaloa cartel.

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It’s a feature of autism, the inability to reconcile nuance, the difficulty in identifying and relating concepts.

Don’t blame autism–it’s a feature of investment in the egalitarian Blue Pill. Men look at women’s looks, so women look at men’s looks. “Women are just men with boobs.”

I see good looking guys banging hotties and I also see ugly guys banging hotties. I see good looking guys who are incel, too.

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This is your TRM assignment, go out with each of your wing men and make it a point to get them laid by the hottest they can handle at all cost. After all a man like you can get it any time he wants and your tribe needs the highest testosterone levels they can maintain.

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j has no more confidence or consequence here or anywhere than his tony-urban-neighborhood-bathouse-gloryholed faggot. I’ll save j some kj time and post his FR here: @ Boulderhead Funny you mention it, last night I was out of town in a metropolitan venue with two wings. Dressed in uptown casual and pressed slacks and not too tight Hanes shirt which is hard to pull off with my 6’2″ Division ! defensive end physique and 50″ chest, and a fur collar puffy jacket that extended just below my 31″ waist, we hit s subdued club where we know the bouncers and usually… Read more »

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“And as we can see here, whenever an ugly truth is pointed out or brought up (looks matter for instance) by someone on this forum, or even questions something Rollo has written about, they are immediately met with silly insults by the sheep (autistic, retard, fraud, asshole, queer, gamma, incel, blue pill etc) lol.”

yeah
we are dealing with NPCs here.

Only a blue piller would deny that looks are the most important factor when it comes to attraction and validational sex.
It’s similar blue pill lies that women say such as “I care more about personality and confidence than looks”.

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Wahhhh…😥

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I’ve been hanging out on this Red Pill blog for three years. I don’t recall anyone that was red pilled say that looks don’t matter. To be red pilled is to come into Acceptance of how things are and move on forward. There have been PUA’s here that were enthusiastic about PUA that have said that Game trumps looks any day. But that was from a basis of Acceptance, then working for their own best interests. Perhaps you should look for a Black Pill blog to validate your denial, anger, bargaining and depression. Fell on Black Days Soundgarden Whatsoever I’ve… Read more »

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Orson I’m curious, tell me about what was going on when you lost ‘ your virginity ‘, and how old are you? what’s happened since then sexually going forward?

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∆ that should read ” how old were you. “.

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“But now he has 72 notches so of course looks matter!!!”

Imagine not being able to tell the difference between looks matter and only looks matter.

“Despite being an “old” goofy looking fucker banging a “teenage goddess”…”

Or what “consistently” means…

Talk about reading comprehension

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Orson I’m curious, tell me about how your mother and father treated you as good parents.

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They say that one of the nice things about being grandparents is that you can send the grandkids home. But that ain’t necessarily so. Daughter Gamer has moved back home and Son In Law isn’t making her haaaappy. (Truthfully, he’s childish with his texting comments and other silliiness. He shows up unannounced to see the baby. Daughter Gamer was eating dinner because she had to work late and it was interrupted because SIL showed up unannounced. Not a big deal, but he didn’t even greet me when I opened the door for him.) Daughter Gamer is nice when she is… Read more »

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Do you build a solid status first in your social circle before getting to hitting women?

Use Game to build status, then status will get you laid. That’s how it works.

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“Look, Grandad is here!”

Shit test, get out.

Lol, you don’t run away skeered from shit tests. A shit test can be a sign that the girl is thinking about banging you. And this isn’t a shit test anyway. It’s a signal of status and relationship in Mrs. Gamer’s eyes.

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The empire pushes back. Spot the fallacies and word-games in this NYT article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/opinion/male-female-brains-mosaic.html

“NO such thing as an all-male or all-female brain! Except when there might be!”

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“Despite being an “old” goofy looking fucker banging a “teenage goddess”…”

Or what “consistently” means…

Explain what ‘consistently’ means in a way that isn’t solipsistic and narcissistic.

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Blaximus, SJF

Have you ever encountered an exceptionally good looking man when you were out with your wives?
Did you notice anything odd on her behaviour? It’s very nuanced and if you hang out for so long on this blog you might be able to understand what I mean. What about yourselves? How did you feel when such a man was present?

Let’s say you are the man on the right and David Gandy is the good looking man that amogs you.
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“Have you ever encountered an exceptionally good looking man when you were out with your wives?

Not really. Exceptionally charming men, though, yes.

I don’t really pay attention. I usually notice/pay attention to good looking women when I’m out with my wife.

“How did you feel when such a man was present?”

Indifferent. Certainly not upstaged.

“Did you notice anything odd on her behaviour? “

No. It’s normal.

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“Nature wants Phamily Alphas to be cucked ”

Said by a hentai-icon nobody banging no one.

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