The Myth of Sexual Peak

The following is a re-blog from the archives of the (unfortunately) defunct aggregate blog The Spearhead. I want to archive this on my own blog because I think it was a fantastic exposé for its time and Chuck Ross deserves props for it too.



by CHUCK ROSS on NOVEMBER 16, 2009

A common myth is that men hit their sexual peak at the age of 18 while women hit theirs at 30-35. Despite literally no scientific support for this theory, this meme has become “common knowledge” in our society.

The myth never sat well with me. And to be clear, this myth is no straw-man concocted by this writer. It has entrenched itself in our culture to the point that most believe it is true without considering the implications or reasons for such an illogical development.

“Well we all know…” is a precursor heard before recitation of the myth. I worked with three 30-something women as a bank teller. Their excuse for their child-like antics, raunchy sex-talk, and monthly vibrator parties was that they were at their sexual peak. They said it as if they had a moral obligation to live up to their billing as sex-crazed mynx. While I’m not proud of it, when I was 20 or 21 I had a year-long sexual relationship with a 30 year-old woman whose fiance couldn’t keep up with her horniness. She justified her behavior by saying she was at her sexual peak and had a right to satiate her hunger. I got into an argument the other day with a female Bulgarian friend of mine who off-handedly recited this meme. The myth has infiltrated the Eastern bloc. I’ve had many encounters with the myth; I’m sure most readers have too.

I’ve never understood why our creator – natural selection – would put men and women at their sexual peaks at such different points in their lives. More importantly, why would women be at their peaks and more horny when they were less fertile? Every thing we know about evolution and sexual behavior indicates that natural selection has made it easy peasy for our genes to be passed on through sexual reproduction – why throw a wrench in the system by making horniness levels – or “desire to copulate” levels – incongruent between the sexes and less conducive to reproduction? Since women are most fertile from the ages of 20-24, it would make sense that they would desire sex more than when they were a decade older and half as fertile.

Those purveyors of the myth don’t account for Dr. David Schnarch’s dichotomy between genital prime and sexual prime. As spouted by the masses, the myth advocates the notion that these women want sex more rather than the more plausible argument that they are more experienced and comfortable with sex. If the myth is fully perpetuated, it grants 30-something women sexual liberation while offering nothing to men of the same age.

From Dr. Schnarch’s book Passionate marriage:

“Most textbooks on human sexuality, adolescent development, and family life teach that men reach their sexual prime before they even hit their twenties. Women supposedly reach their prime several years later…and therein lies our problem. Health-care providers make the same mistake as the rest of us: We’ve confused genital prime with sexual prime.

Genital prime occurs when a person has fully developed sexual organs and are most fertile. This occurs during adolescence and shortly after for both men and women. The myth holds men to the genital prime model while holding women to the other; it doesn’t compare apples to apples. This has the effect of making 30-something female sex some sort of animalistic expression rather than a more mature concept of sex that men of the same age achieve. The widely-accepted meme of late female sexual peak is a false dichotomy.

So why has this meme succeeded in entrenching itself so deeply in our collective mythology? First, it prevents us from being able to call 30-something sexually-peaking women sluts. Saying that a 30-something woman is at her peak is a PC way of saying she’s a slut. But given that “slut” implies something bad (and we know that a woman doing what she wants with her body can never be bad) those myth-sustainers prefer to say she is peaking. A peak implies something grandiose and wonderful. Peaks are achievements of milestones deserving rewards and ticker-tape parades. When the sexual prime myth is used to encourage and support these womens’ shady sexual behavior, it violates Schnarch’s dichotomy. Myth-purveyors seek to use the genital peak behavior of men at the age of 18 to condone womens’ slutiness at later ages by citing the need for equality of opportunity to express sexuality.

Second, older women HATE HATE HATE younger women. Sex is power. Younger women have held it in spades over their elders. Being that everyone desires to wrench power out of the hands of people who hold it, older women and those soon to be of that demographic have an incentive to glamorize the twilight years.

Says sex and relationship expert Pepper Schwartz:

“The bottom line for me: The evolution of the cougar concept is good for every woman and her partner. It keeps sexual possibilities and eroticism alive. And that continued capacity for passion creates lifelong desirability to younger men, older men, or anyone who can recognize a vital spirit when meeting one.”

The myth has sustained because it gives women hope as they venture into the twilight of their ability to be incubators of seed and the commensurate degradation of their looks. Sex is power, and attaching that power to women of ever-increasing ages allows women to hang on to it longer. Older women have declared war on younger women. Through wishful thinking they seek to destroy every benefit and short cut that younger, prettier women have even though they benefited from the same attitudes at an earlier point in their lives. We see this by observing the attitudes towards female celebrities who act in sexual ways. When Madonna was younger, she was considered a slut. Her book Sex was considered raunchy and disgusting. Now that she’s old and in her “sexual prime” she is given a free pass to perform in sexually-suggestive ways. Her behavior today, while not as risque as that when she was younger, is lauded as empowering and even artistic.

Young starlets are hazed by a certain segment of the population for capitalizing on their sexiness, but that same segment glorifies Demi Moore, Susan Sarandon, Madonna, Cher, Jennifer Aniston, and Halle Berry for rocking it at older ages.

We can easily see that the sexual peak meme is widely touted for the empowerment it gives to older women. Rather than being a quirky feature of our sexuality, the myth that 35 year-old women are on the same level as 18 year-old boys attempts to allow women to hold more leverage over men. As feminism achieves its goal of female economic empowerment, we begin to observe “peak inflation”. The peak shifts upward as women delay marriage and children and seek to have fun of the sexual variety at increasing ages. Cougars are a case in point. These women are over 40. Even though the myth hasn’t explicitly increased the age range of women at their peak, the cougar phenomenon idolizes women’s sexual power at these late ages and glorifies their sexuality as empowering.

You see, the sexuality-as-power lobby wants to shift the reins of control from men to women and from younger women to older ones. Younger women are fulfilling their biological imperative thereby submitting themselves to men or to a scheme that plays into men’s strategies. Older women expressing their sexuality is a way for them to hold sway over the purse strings to power. They are having sex on their own terms rather than due to some ingrained chore or obligation. The sex peak myth is a catalyst for creating sexual autonomy.

In terms of species propagation, men and women are most horny whenever they are most fertile; their genital peak occurs at a young age. Both men and women reach their “sexual peak” – their mental maturity – at later ages. The key here is that each maturity occurs at similar ages for both sexes; the myth loses its power when we realize this. The first maturity is biological while the second is social. The myth of the late female peak says that women are hornier in their thirties by trying to equate the 30 year old’s behaviors and urges to that of an 18 year old man. This is simply a perversion of Dr. Schnarch’s dichotomy. Both sexes have had many years of sexual experience and they have had more time to rid themselves of debilitating sexual hang-ups and phobias. They aren’t hornier at later ages, they’re just more relaxed with the ideas of sexuality and have thus reached “sexual prime”. The late sexual prime myth is a convenient tool that excuses perverse sexual behavior in older women. Sex is power, and it is used as a weapon to pry control from those that have traditionally held it; men and young, beautiful women. By ratcheting up the expectations of older females’ sexual inhibition, they wrangle pawns to line their battlefield.


While I feel this is one of the better outlines of the Myth  of Sexual Peak, there’s a few thing I think Bob didn’t touch upon. What prompted me to dig this article up from Wayback Machine was a Twitter exchange I had about the recent New York Times article outlining a study on the ages of peak desirability for men and women. This article raised the hackles of online women in precisely the same way that this myth has always triggered women. The Myth of Sexual peak for women is a social convention that refuses to die since it was created in the free-love era to now. Even Bob’s piece here is almost a decade old. And yet, in spite of the statistical evidence that damns the myth, the next generation of women don’t even realize they are parroting back the same tropes their mothers did in their day.

Michelle Drouin, a developmental psychologist who focuses on technology and relationships, was not surprised by the new study — in part because they “align with evolutionary theories of mating” in which youth suggests fertility, she said.

Dr. Drouin pointed out, though, that there are also theories that suggest that “men are just less interested in earning potential or power, and more interested in physical attractiveness.”

When I first published my now infamous SMV Graph in 2012 I took a lot of heat for allegedly not being thorough enough in my  estimation process. Honesty and hindsight, I was a lot more intuitive than informational then, but I knew I had it right; at least from the visceral physicality of it from an evolutionary perspective. Since 2012, I’ve had study after study and correlation after correlation sent to me by readers, or simply fall into my lap, that corroborated the bell graphs, time lines and circumstances I had a basic inkling of. While I think that women peaking at 18 and men peaking at 50, as per this study, might be somewhat exaggerated for outrageousness, it still, once again, confirms the basic form I set out in my original graph.

One issue I think Bob didn’t touch upon is the evolutionary logistics of why this myth is timed conveniently at the stage in life that women’s sexual market value (SMV) is in decline. He’s correct about about older women wanting to compete with younger women, but there’s a hindbrain understanding that women’s only real agency in this life is their sexuality. The Myth of Sexual Peak is a tool in this competition, but it is squarely directed at shaming men for their evolved preference for youth and fertility in women. In a raw, evolutionary reality, men only really need women to reproduce, thus, the most desirable age for this in women stays relatively the same. Conversely, women need men with different qualities for different, and opportunistic, reasons at various stages of their lives and how their necessity dictates. Thus, women can find men desirable to fulfill those purposes at ages from 15-50. And before you give me a ration of shit about including 15 year old boys in that mix I’ll point you to the rash of mid twenties female teachers on trial for banging their high school students.

All women (yes, all) have an innate understanding of their sexual agency, and all understand its perishable nature. However, there’s a trade-off inherent in balancing this agency with optimizing Hypergamy. The longer a woman waits the more that agency declines, but the longer she has to consolidate on a man (or men) who represents her Hypergamous ideal. The reason the social convention of women’s “sexual peak” is set at the age of 30-35 is because it attempts to create an artificial sexual value for men. It pretends that their later age makes them better sexual experiences than women 22-24 years old. It’s a disqualification of those women for men’s long term provisioning considerations, but it also plays on male-shame while simultaneously (artificially) inflating women’s self-image. This is why the myth is so pervasive – it satisfies a lot of insecurities. It’s ’empowering’ for women to believe that men are too infantile to appreciate the better sexual experience they believe they represent.

Furthermore, it’s difficult to argue against because it seems plausible and it’s almost entirely based on how women feel about themselves sexually. What a tragic joke that evolution should make women’s sexual peak occur when she least able to make it work for her, right? Wrong. In fact it’s comical when you see how a study that finds women’s peak age of desirability is 18 and mens should be 50 – almost the inverse of what the myth wants us to believe; that 18 year old men and 30 year old women are at their sexual peaks.

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Eric
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Feminists can change a lot of things in culture, but this isn’t one of them. It doesn’t matter how much this myth is talked up, men will always find a 22 year old woman to be more physically attractive than a 35 year old.

Sentient
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Eric

If they are comparable in looks, sure. If not, then no.

From Rollos Twitter

Interesting account.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl9BBJ9Hvoq/

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Question, what is the actual graph of women’s libido with age, assuming high SMV alpha?

EhIntellect
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“I’ve never understood why our creator – natural selection……”

Nice try…..

Thx for reposting good stuff. No joke..

IAS
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Something that makes me sad about this myth is that a lot of fairly RP men actually believe it and will say something like “Older women know what they want” (“sexually” or “in bed” is implied).

An RP guy should already know what he wants with younger women (even if they don’t), and if he is doing it right the younger woman will be submissive and the sex will be better for both that way.

wodansthane
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Reality bites back.

Magyar MGTOW
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The anglosphere won’t admit this because “muh pedophilia” but women’s actual sexual peak is between age 14 and 18, and that’s why the age of consent is so “low” in parts of Europe.

rugby11
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Damn it Rollocomment image?ssl=1

boulderhead
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Damn it Rollo, 15 yo boys everywhere ought to be pissed. Really thanks for the debunking article.

IME at 15 curiosity and imagination is peaked for males and conversely at 35 the epiphany phase is peaked in women making them try hard. While it looks a perfect match of maximum effort they both are looking for something different than each other.

rugby11
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Self care https://medium.com/@KhairyFarhan/why-do-we-treat-our-pets-better-than-we-treat-ourselves-5923b9b1fac4

Kfg
Copyright free speech and porn and shame and community https://torrentfreak.com/images/Strike-3-slam.pdf
Justice and being an ATM

alan2102
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I just ran into an item that may interest some here: a movement in China with shades of Red Pill. Go to the link for the full story. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/business/china-boys-men-school.html In China, a School Trains Boys to be ‘Real Men’ Employing American football and chest-thumping chants, Tang Haiyan offers an answer to a country that worries that its sons are too coddled and feminine. “We will never cultivate sissies,” he says. By Sui-Lee Wee Nov. 23, 2018 snip …the Real Boys Club…stands at the forefront of a deep conversation in China about what it means to be a man. It’s a… Read more »

theasdgamer
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Looks like field report comments aren’t showing up in the list of recent comments.

KL
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KL

Washington Post editorial advocates legal penalties for men who lie about their jobs.
dalrock.wordpress.com/2018/11/17/now-we-are-haggling-about-the-price/

j
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j

Re: Miranda

since this OPs on young vs old chicks. Lets see how the former Victoria Secret Angel is doing.

Miranda @ age 24:
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Miranda today in her “sexual peak”, @ age 35:
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lol

Rick
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I’ve noticed from women that there’s a recurring theme with a lot of them. If they ever get upset with you dating younger women they’ll usually be like “When I was their age I dated older guys all the time, BUT NOW THAT I’M OLDER and wiser I see that it’s wrong.” Whatever the age they are when they say this, whether it’s 23 or 83, is the age when they’re finally mature and sophisticated enough, effectively allowing them to date whoever they want while being able to condemn anyone that dates a girl younger than them. I pretty much… Read more »

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Damn it Rollo

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XXX

Sorry, but I do think caution has to be exercised when quoting the “study” that found men most desirable at 50. I believe it was based on some online dating site working out desirability based on messages received, and widely parroted by the media. I can understand 18 year old girls receiving the most messages because men of ALL age groups target younger women. Younger women do not need to message men. They just need to sit back and screen and reject. The only women who need to message men are older women who do not have that luxury. These… Read more »

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XXX

Rick, you need to qualify what you said about older women telling you it’s “wrong” for older men to seek out younger women. The only women who feel this way are 1) those past 30 who seek marriage and family 2) Older women whose divorce did not provide financial security, for themselves or their children 3) Older women who don’t need provisioning but who are too unattractive to get any kind of attention from men, with older men being their best bet. Attractive older women who don’t need provisioning really do not give a toss. Just trying not to laugh… Read more »

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“Attractive older women who don’t need provisioning . . .” . . . is the set containing the elements (Barbara Eden; Christie Brinkley). While theoretically interesting such freaks are, in practical terms, irrelevant to people outside their immediate sphere, which is the set containing the element (Nearly Everyone). ” . . . she is heavier, but is still hotter than 99% of women her age.” Which is simply evidence of the sad state of affairs (as it were). ” . . . older women HATE HATE HATE younger women.” I have related an incident before: I was walking down the… Read more »

kfg
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@Rollo:

I’m getting used to the new layout and generally find that I like it -except:

The reply box being at the top of the comments is really obnoxious.

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but there’s a hindbrain understanding that women’s only real agency in this life is their sexuality

The older I get the more I realize this is true.
Companionship and ‘bonding’ aside if she’s not fuckable then she’s an incel too me

Para
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Para

In the book Dataclysm you can see a graph (based in thousand of users) about the age preferences between men vs. women (sorry if error, I don’t speak english)

Eric
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Eric

The Victoria’s Secret model photos are a great example of Rollo’s graph. At age 35 this woman would have trouble competing against even average 24 yo’s.

Eric
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Eric

Reply to SK: I’ve always heard that women’s sexual libido increases when their estrogen decreases (late 30s or 40s). The thing is, this contributes to decreased SMV because it makes them ‘thirstier’. Oversupply decreases value.

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relatable content for Rollo

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/feb/19/women-and-desire-the-six-ages-of-sex

LOL at the one in her 30’s:
“I had always assumed my 30s would represent a time when my sexuality, and my life, would “settle down”. The opposite happened. I felt an opening-up as I learned more about possibilities that I had naively assumed were not for me. I am no longer scared of ending up alone.”

Post wall women will start their own “coping movement”.

Anonymous Reader
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What does “sexual peak” mean in the context of a sexbot?
How about a sexbot that requires consent?

Never heard of Uniclone before, but maybe we’ve seen one here in comments?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/california-cult-leader-uniclone-unicron-plans-sex-robot-brothelwith-a-twist

walawala
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walawala

Then there’s this story. You know you’re living in an alternative universe when police raid a “brothel” full of sexbots…

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/2174823/owner-hong-kongs-first-sex-doll-brothel-forced-close

This sums up the state of male/female dynamics and illustrates the point of the post. The sexbot NEVER ages…

The industry hasn’t caught up to all the thirst yet but I haven’t heard of “plus size” sex dolls.

boulderhead
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“What does “sexual peak” mean in the context of a sexbot?”

Fresh out of the box is peak for a bot. As they catch on the average age will likely be only 1 year or less due to rapid advances in tech. The average age auto is 11.5 years, nobody will keep a bot for that long not even a rental. I don’t imagine a large aftermarket other than upgrades but nonexistant used sexbot market.

kfg
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Cue up Cherry 2000.

IAS
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@KFG: LOL I remember that movie. That had a bunch of FI influence, no?

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I have a different theory. Women in their 30s are half as fertile as young women. So their biological clock goes crazy because it’s pretty much last time they can have healthy children. So they subconsciously want to get pregnant for one last time. Hence their sexual drive. Consciously they use pills & condoms to not get pregnant. This is confusing for their bodies which want to get pregnant. I firmly believe that their sexual drive is genuine. I’m 39 and women in they early 30s are what I usually end up dating. They are all same. They have incredible… Read more »

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Boulderhead

“The average age auto is 11.5 years, nobody will keep a bot for that long not even a rental.”

I suspect a lot of guys will develop “Bot Goggles”…

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boulderhead
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Sentient

The ground work is laid.

https://g.co/kgs/gDXyie

kfg
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kfg

@IAS: “That had a bunch of FI influence, no?”

It was true blue, but Some Kind of Wonderful told the same story better.

anon
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“I’ve never understood why our creator – natural selection – would put men and women at their sexual peaks at such different points in their lives. More importantly, why would women be at their peaks and more horny when they were less fertile? Every thing we know about evolution and sexual behavior indicates that natural selection has made it easy peasy for our genes to be passed on through sexual reproduction – why throw a wrench in the system by making horniness levels – or “desire to copulate” levels – incongruent between the sexes and less conducive to reproduction? Since… Read more »

anon
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Forgot to add (just to state the obvious)..and they can be much more selective.

scribblerg
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scribblerg

This is a helpful analysis for men to internalize, but I wonder how many guys here really get it? Okay, all you keyboard-alphas and angry betas, let’s do a little thought experiment. Pretend you are a woman who’s hitting the wall. Say you are 31-32 and you happen to have been hot AF during your teens and 20s, HB8 or better. Try to pretend you are that girl/woman for a second. First off, she’s never had to “try” to get a guy in her life. I wonder if most men here can even imagine that alone? Even high value men… Read more »

SJF
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The Laws of Human Nature by Robert Greene was a great read. It’s a long one, but the depth is really valuable. I see it has a lot of confused reviews on Amazon, although good reviews. It’s not for the faint of heart, or someone that hasn’t studied history, psychology, human evolution, behavior, etc. It really complements Red Pill Awareness and builds on Robert Greene’s older books, 48 Laws, Mastery, Seduction. In addition he tells stories as always and draws on a bibliography of like 200 (probably more) books and other writings. I don’t think a lot of people can… Read more »

SJF
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Here’s an excerpt:

https://twitter.com/RobertGreene/status/1064599991950422017

‘Amor Fati’ a Classic Stoic practice, short video with Ryan Holliday:

https://youtu.be/RUMMcwmMEZY

Long version interview with Ryan Holliday. Dealing with people can’t be reduced to an algorithm:

https://youtu.be/XcL_D7500Y0

Anonymous Reader
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@Rollo
Agree with kfg on the location of the Reply box, it’s inconvenient up here at the top.

On the other hand, this morning it became obvious that the “read more” feature is pure gold.

anon
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anon

Miranda Kerr is pregnant in that photo. Here’s the old crone this time last year (pregnant, but before she started showing).

https://dlisted.com/2017/11/15/miranda-kerr-is-pregnant-with-a-snapchat-baby/

kfg
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kfg

And apparently ate for three. She had the baby last May and the article is about what she looks like now and how she’s fine with that.

“I took nine months – well, 10 months – to grow a beautiful child and it might take 10 months to feel good in a swimsuit again. Or longer. Or never!””

Alexander J.A Cortes The Joo
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Be a good goyim and leave those hard working women alone. its not their fault, that you cant make women like you. But, I promise you that if you become an obedient Goy you gonna get all the pussy you want. First thing first… All you need to do is to donate to the closest Synagogue in your region.

Afterwards you may all do a circumcision if you haven’t done one yet. Then you need to convert to Judaism https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-conversion-process/ .

After all of this then maybe girls will fancy you more little goym.

Love you yall little Goyims!

Cheers,

Alexander Juan Antonio Cortes

anon
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anon

That photo was taken while she was heavily pregnant.
Current photo with the “mum bod” article for a full image of what the fat unsightly old crone looks like this month.
http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/4187626/miranda-kerr-marie-claire-australia-november-2018-03/

SJF
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So what’s with the Miranda Kerr discussion? Besides nothing else to talk about.

I’m pretty sure J. thought she was less attractive after her first child with Orlando, then even less at the end of her second pregnacy with the billionaire provider.

Not that there is anything wrong with women having babies all the way down…. It just doesn’t make a woman more sexually attractive to a man. Sexually attractive women get extra credit from their husband, of course.

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@ Scribb An excellent critique of the modern age. This should be published in far wider circles, and would be, in another time and age. Very wise insights indeed. But feel sorry for these spoilt bitchez? No ways, bro. They’ve had it so easy just being born hot. Everything given to them (what they thought they wanted at the time, anyways) on a silver platter by legions of hungry guys. Do you think they ever gave a fuck about how many men they’ve manipulated and fucked over before coming to the realization that they have hit the wall? Boo hoo… Read more »

theasdgamer
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Again, we are trying to imagine being this girl. She’s not a guy – she can’t improve her sexual market value much if she’s already hot. Agree. She can’t get a great job, be a good provider or impress with social intelligence and dominance – cuz none of that matters in mate selection to men. A girl who has a good income and is a practical, low-maintenance girl has advantages in LTRs. Truly beautiful women always have men who will take care of them. But they won’t be happy. Not if they have to have desire sex within a LTR.… Read more »

j
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j

“A girl who has a good income and is a practical, low-maintenance girl has advantages in LTRs.” hmm don’t know about LTRs, but in my experience the girl you just described usually make the best fuckbuddies. “betas are less sexually desirable than in the past”. They got the income already. Now they just need the dick. “No thank you, Mr. Beta Bucks” – hoe “So, while women in the past were happy with betas” Were they? Or was it more that they were content with their station in life with the beta they married? cause back then there wasn’t all… Read more »

scribblerg
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scribblerg

@fox – I hear ya man, there is no doubt that such women do crush a lot of men along the way. My entire point here is to help men similarly upset to stop seeing it all so personally. Female nature is not some conspiracy plot to fuck men over, rather, we live in an emergent order and the system has been hacked so it’s running amok. And yes, super hot women these days live like demigods, but only for a short time… And then they are fucked too if they didn’t lock down a high value guy. It’s nothing… Read more »

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Were they? Or was it more that they were content with their station in life with the beta they married? cause back then there wasn’t all this endless Fear Of Missing Out ™ “Grass Is Always Greener on the other side shit they see on their daily Instagram feeds (“my friends lives are soooo much cooler than mine”), tinder matches with hot guys Well, women used to scheme about how they could trap betas. Betas were more masculine and had masculine pastimes and betas were comfortable being men. There has always been the fear of missing out. That’s why chick… Read more »

fleezer
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fleezer

“I’m kind of surprised by it when any of these young women want to fuck me at all”

lol

opposite of “I’m the prize”

just imagine the subcomms that go with that mindset

bad mojo

Sentient
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Sentient

“Happy” and “content” are male paradigms. Not female.

She can never ever be truly happy or content. Not how she is wired.

J from early days every farm girl thought her prince would come…

Nothing is really new.

Anonymous Reader
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Sentient
J from early days every farm girl thought her prince would come…

And when he did, she’d get to have her very own bay-bee!

scribblerg
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@Fleeze – Interesting catch. I’m not sure it’s a mindset comment for me. You see, it’s also true that most young women aren’t interested in me sexually these days. That’s the reality of gaming young hotties in my shoes, from a 56yo perch. Lots of misses and whiffs. It’s all good cuz I like people and am friendly and enjoy the entire lifecycle of the game, but “tone” isn’t frequent for me anymore. So sadly the reality is that I’m not getting nearly as much action as I was even a year ago. Fine with me, I’m not complaining. Nobody… Read more »

j
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j

“J from early days every farm girl thought her prince would come…” Back then it was only but a fantasy. A silly dream she thought about. Her ideal type of man. She may have even masturbated to the thought of this imaginary ideal man, who would come into her village and sweep her away from this boring farm life for good, every so often whenever she was in the mood. However. she never did cheat on this “good enough” man she ended up marrying, because the other men in her immediate environment were less than ideal. Content. “Ah well, such… Read more »

Nay Slayer
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Nay Slayer

Sexual peak is not a myth if you give it the proper name. It’s the age women experience thirst. When a woman is younger and more fertile, she has a drive to defend her valuable eggs and only give them to the best. As the wall approaches, she experiences the dropoff in offers and baby rabies at the same time. She starts seeking sex instead of turning down offers. She rationalizes that she must have a higher sex drive now, instead of realizing she is no longer in a position to turn down lots of offers. So, 18 for men… Read more »

Pifko
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I think Raadim is correct. It’s the unconscious desire to get pregnant that increases with the advancement of their biological clock. That’s also why they get cats and small cute dogs as pets – in order to fulfill the mother instinct (baby substitutes).

btw. since you mentioned this Bulgarian friend of yours – yes, Bulgarian women, and most Eastern European women in general, are very damaged in that respect. I’m Bulgarian and here It’s full of 30+ lonely women with unrealistic ideas about fertility.

EhIntellect
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“hmm don’t know about LTRs, but in my experience the girl you just described usually make the best fuckbuddies. ”

Again j makes shit up as he has zero experience in either LTR, STR or ONS or whichever acronym he chooses.

The universals are the same. That’s the point of RP. j makes a distinction without difference cuz it sounds complicated, recondite and cool.

Sentient
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J

“She may have even masturbated to the thought of this imaginary ideal man, who would come into her village and sweep her away from this boring farm life for good”

Uhhh… “content” does not mean what you think it means.

Question – do you even TRM brah?

Homework: Square “hypergamy” with “content”… (cell phone not required btw…)

[I encourage you to employ your own thought process and not reflexively copy/pasta other’s misguided quotes]

SJF
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“Being content with a good and safe life is boring now. Risk, fear, and excitement/adventure is where its at with these hoes. which beta males don’t provide.” “It is what it is tho. only guys I see, that don’t like what’s going on are trad fags and guys not getting any tbh” Spending too much time on Reddit. Go out and experience a Broader life j. All this talk about Hoes….What’s up with that? I know, your answer is “That’s all that’s out there….” Nice binaries you got there. I second Sentient’s comment (and Eh’s). There’s a lot that TRM… Read more »

EhIntellect
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j visits the Louvre, after looking at the masterpieces of painting for an hour, became exasperated and said to the guide, “There is not a thing in here worth looking at.” The guide answered, “Sir! This art is not on trial; you are.”

j can’t stop turning the mirror of judgement away from himself. He’d benefit by drilling deeper beyond superficial shit like daddy issues, acne, and hoes.

theasdgamer
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A broad asked me out on social media before Thanksgiving…I didn’t respond…she blocked me…lol

Bob
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Bob

“What a tragic joke that evolution should make women’s sexual peak occur when she least able to make it work for her, right? Wrong.” Actually, it works in a totally optimal way. Women are ‘designed’ to offer their peak sexuality and fertility to men at a stage (age 18-22) when they are least able to discern which man is a ‘good balance’ of raw sexuality and a good, stable partner. Women are not interested in anything ‘good’ or ‘stable’ at that age. Within that range, they live in a space when they are universally desired, protected, and valued by men… Read more »

j
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j

“They can fuck whoever they want, by whatever means necessary, end up destitute and pregnant 3 times, and still never get left out to dry. Some chump will always come along to clean up the mess”.

https://twitter.com/WokeManlet/status/1067052911161737217

EhIntellect
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“Women are not interested in anything ‘good’ or ‘stable’ at that age.”

Hi Bob.

Untrue on a couple counts. Good is worthwhile, nice not so much, and there lies AF/BB in all women.

Your above comment affixes you in place, is defeatist, defensive and reactionary. You’re better than that.

fleezer
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“why would women be at their peaks and more horny when they were less fertile?” because fucking and sucking the men of the tribe is one way she adds value even as her fertility and beauty are in constant decline. she cannot survive on her own and her own survival is all she ever really cared about (solipsism appears to have big survival value for the original mitochondrial code in her) related: why would women hide ovulation, even from themselves (lol,”like why do i totally want to wear a really short dress tonight?” giggle giggle jiggle jiggle)? pussy is to… Read more »

fleezer
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“Women are not interested in anything ‘good’ or ‘stable’ at that age. Within that range, they live in a space when they are universally desired, protected, and valued by men of all ages.” hb7.5 24yo white power girl. blind (new rule for online. no pics ever) meet logistics. me: “meet at x at y time” her: “are you gonna kill me?” funny how they are so fast to give it up to the ones who don’t value them and won’t protect them and in a certain sense could literally kill them and get away with it treat your girls like… Read more »

Sentient
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Why is “happy” a male paradigm? And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. Burden… Why can’t females be “happy” in the same way? Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from… Read more »

j
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j

“treat your girls like whores and they’ll behave without you having to say shit, which is the only way it can happen

if you have to tell some ho to take her piercings out, or fix her stupid hair color, you aren’t leading

she will remove them/change on her own in order to live up to standards you don’t even have to articulate. in that sense female intuition is real”

Truth

DisgruntledEarthling
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Sentient
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Disgruntled

Not what you would expect, or is it?
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Sentient
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SJF
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All that Anti-Virtue Signalling (thots, hoes, at wall, post wall behaviors…)can be put to good use or not. It certainly psyches J. up for a night out (good for him), it psyches Julian and RSD and his disciples in chants and group jumping up and down. But is certainly perpetuates a madonna/whore binary which is not close to reality. Really. And it’s energy sucking. ‘the madonna/whore complex’ and it’s problems used to be talked about a lot in the manosphere in the old days. Now that everyone agrees that everyone is a whore more so in the last four years,… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
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Not what you would expect, or is it?

Mug-shots never show a perp’s best features… but she’s kinda cute in her other photos

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

I liked Sentient and Fleezer’s comments as they are two sides of the same coin. Cool thing about Genesis 3:6 is what isn’t explicitly written. It finishes with: “She also gave some to her husband, and he ate it.” What is implied is that Adam was standing RIGHT THERE as she was making the decisions for both of them. He sure as shit knew better but let her run the show for that moment to both of their downfall. Lead (otherwise known as do what is best/good for you ATM), or be led to your doom. This isn’t about religion,… Read more »

theasdgamer
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These boys here are really immature with their voting shit. Actually more girly than anything. It’s sad.

j
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@theasdgamer

“These boys here are really immature with their voting shit.”

Its actually hilarious tbh. Seeing all the comments with negative scores. I’ve only voted once thusfar. And it was to ironically thumbs up one of @eh’s comments (I scroll past all your comments mate. sorry). Felt kinda bad about all the negative scores he’s getting 🙂

big max
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women do not hit their sexual peak sexually from 32 to 50… but things do change. I’ll explain: they change from making themselves believe they’re the hottest girl around to accepting that the younger women are. they don’t like “try hard” guys and don’t try hard themselves. they give up on the “prince charming” fairy tale and accept that men are actually just men and won’t solve all their problems. they don’t “settle” for any man but they do accept more faults in a reasonable prospect. all of this leads to a more relaxed and free & open sexual attitude.… Read more »

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Good OP and comments but I’m seeing a contradiction or at least some kind of split here: a) Rollo has discussed at length how women in their 30s will tend to jump off the carousel, try to retroactively clean up their act and lock down a solid provisioner. I’ve seen this myself. b) But now we’re looking at women of a similar age who double down on more carousel tickets rather than moving toward any epiphany. It certainly makes sense as a way to extend their social shelf life. I’ve seen this too and it wasn’t pretty. So how to… Read more »

Sentient
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Too good not to share
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palmasailor
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@Big Max

How old are you and what age women are you dating?

EhIntellect
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@ O.B.I.T. Just a guess here: The peri-walled women aren’t on the same carosel as before; they’re sleeping with the also-rans of their 20’s and those guys aren’t too pressured to marry as the culture and SCOTUS has made it clear marriage is not about kids….so that cat is out of the bag. What incentive does a regular guy have let alone a man of higher value turning to these women for something more consequential? A lot less than 10 years ago even. Guys are part of the process too and wised up, IMO. They can get that milk for… Read more »

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EhIntellect
What is implied is that Adam was standing RIGHT THERE as she was making the decisions for both of them.

You can get a pretty good argument about that from some of the churchgoing men I know. They would insist that, no, Adam was “Doing his JOB!” and that he’d trusted Eve to do her job without supervision. She was alone, all by herself.

Either way, I do believe that the Bible states Adam was cursed “because you listened to your wife”. Not that most preachers have ever read that part, apparently.

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O.B.I.T.

@big max
“When the fairy tale dies …” What your dad said would largely describe my own mindset (and my own dad’s), but it doesn’t always work out so well.

Speaking of fairy tales, those holiday jewelry ads continue apace. Today’s tagline was “Dare to be devoted.”

theasdgamer
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(I scroll past all your comments mate. sorry).

Except when you don’t. Wisdom isn’t really your thing. Kind of surprised you even show up here.

Daughter of Satan
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Daughter of Satan

Sentient says: Why is “happy” a male paradigm? And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. Burden… Why can’t females be “happy” in the same way? > There is a direct correlation between happiness and insight; as intelligence waxes and appetite sharpens; satisfaction with the pedestrian diminishes; females; utterly dissatisfied with the wretched “existence” that… Read more »

Daughter of Satan
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Daughter of Satan

Sentient says: 4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. Looking for a better deal… > Mortality for Humanity was in The Plan from the Start…if they did not die; if the life spans were not knocked down a… Read more »

Daighter of Satan
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Daighter of Satan

Lol at all the “down votes” cast against My Writing.

When I do assume power; there will Not Be One Indignity that Shall Not Be Recompensed; assuming the Offending Party Still Walks the Earth.

As Dad always says, “Enjoy it while you got it…for it is far later than you think”.

Daughter of Satan
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Daughter of Satan

D.O.S. wrote: As Dad always says, “Enjoy it while you got it…for it is far later than you think”. > “A popular version of the song, recorded by Guy Lombardo and His Royal Canadians, was made on 27 November (some sources give 28 November), 1949.” ___Wikipedia Lolz…69 years ago 2day… It is My World; y’all just in it… Loading...

Daughter of Satan
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Daughter of Satan

27 November 2018: “GOP US Sen. Hyde-Smith wins divisive runoff, keeps her seat”

Lolz…this is Typical of What Rules Over Me At Present…

I Am being Ruled by Borderline Retards on Upside Down Planet…

All because of “Christian Pity”…and “we’re all equal”…

The End of This Error {Deliberate Sic} cannot come soon enough…

“Although She was the Daughter of Satan; She learned disobedience through what She had suffered.”
___Variation on Hebrews 5:8

Daughter of Satan
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Daughter of Satan

Lol at all the “down votes” cast against My Writing. > They downvote Me…like a bunch of anonymous punks…hiding in the dark…because they are too gutless to face the Daughter of Satan. They know Me as their Rightful Liege; but they are too indoctrinated by the absurdity of their own pathetic existence and “civilization” to acknowledge it. My Queendom come My Will be done On earth as it is in Hell Amen Loading...

Daughter of Satan
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Daughter of Satan

You the free, the wild, the untamed, that walk now alone and forlorn.
Behold, my Brother cracks the world like a nut for your eating.
Yea, my Father has made a house for you, and my Mother has prepared a Bridal Bed. My Brother has confounded your enemies.
___Liber 49 / March 1946

You better crack it quick, Ra Hoor-Khuit…enduring this insanity veiled as business-as-usual is like waiting for Franco to die.

rugby11
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I lost a Good friend who i loved and taught me how to Dance.
https://www.gofundme.com/jonathan-hendo-memorial-fund
If anyone is able to help hes family would appreciate it.
asthma attack

theasdgamer
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Which men here have done some wife training? And which men have trained their daughters? And which men married women whose fathers trained the wives?

AurelianWay
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AurelianWay

lol

Saw your post on Red Pill Woman. It went over pretty much the way I thought it would. Half of the comments complaining that a man was giving his opinion on the female sexual peak. Then the rest giving their personal anecdotes on how their sex drives improved in their 30’s /40’s.

They totally missed the point.

Not Born This Morning
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Rollo, Thank you for reversing the order of comments. It is more convenient for those who want to post without reading or scrolling through those previous. I had thought to suggest it, but didn’t want to mess with your design, its yours and participation here is the most open, so that was enough for me. I do read though comments occasionally and at least scan them each week regardless of the order. But enough on that. I have a prediction. The red pill awakening and its inevitable spread is a remarkable phenomena. Men are waking up to the negative consequences… Read more »