Widows & Warbrides

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I received the following Tweet from a reader this week:

Hi Rollo, thanks for all of your amazing work. I think one topic that you have not touched upon in detail is the conflict between alpha widowhood and war bride dynamic. If women are constitutionally inclined to move on, then how can they remain sad about their ex alpha lovers? Even if alpha’s SMV was much higher than her, isn’t the whole point of the war bride dynamic is to enable a woman to move on and reproduce without lingering thoughts of her former lovers? This happened to me recently when I had to end a relationship due to unacceptable logistics (long distance). What followed was extreme anxiety on her part about losing me. So this contradicted with what I always hear about women moving on easily.

This was a great question, and one I haven’t addressed before (no, I haven’t written everything), so I thought I’d pick this one apart today.

The TL;DR version is this: Women only ‘widow’ for men that made an Alpha impression on them. If their previous Alpha was somehow ‘killed’ and replaced by a lesser man, their hindbrains resist that man’s authority over her while using her previous Alpha as the lesser man’s SMV (sexual market value) benchmark. In the most extreme examples, a woman who’s been forced to accept the authority of a lesser man who defeated her former Alpha will resist him and/or plot revenge for the idealized lover.

Historical accounts and various cultural fiction are rife with this archetypal story. The woman who is married off to a lesser man or becomes the War Bride of an undeserving rival (usually by subterfuge or sinister means) is an archetype because it reflects women’s deepest evolutionary, existential, fear – to have her Hypergamous sexual selection strategy forcibly chosen for her by a man (or men) who are undeserving or are suboptimal breeding prospects. As I mentioned, this is an existential fear for women; anything less than unilateral control over her own Hypergamous destiny is tantamount to rape. The fear is that she will spend her life raising the child(ren) of a suboptimal man.

War Brides

The premise of the War Brides dynamic is thus: Evolution selected for women who could more easily transition psychologically from one dominant male to another. In our chaotic ancestral past women and girls were a commodity to be preserved for a conquering tribe. While men or boys were either killed or enslaved, fertile age women would be preserved as spoils of conquest for superior, invading, men. Simply put, women have reproductive value – men (and often their sons) were mostly obstacles in the way of resource acquisition and those reproductive opportunities.

That may seem like a bleak proposition to a Blue Pill conditioned mind today. We want to believe in some egalitarian dream of humanism and cooperation, but our evolved, ancestral past is responsible for what we are today in terms of base biological and psychological imperatives. I first proposed this theory in War Brides:

“Evolution has largely selected-for human females with a capacity to form psychological schema that preserve their psyches from what would otherwise afflict them with debilitating anxiety, guilt, and the stresses resulting from being continuously aware of their own behavioral incongruities. Evolution selects-for solipsistic women who are blissfully unaware of their solipsism.”

A lot of critics of the Red Pill make two key mistakes in their assessment of basic truths. One is that we don’t fully consider the dynamic, and/or two, we think too much about it. The fundamentals we consider about female nature, with respect to women’s psyches, are rooted in our evolutionary past. So, when I deconstruct certain aspects of that nature I have to ask the question, “why would a dynamic be something beneficial to women and/or our species on whole?” When I consider Hypergamy, female solipsism, women’s collectivist mindset, or any number of other characteristics the question I’m going to ask is why is this dynamic still present in modern women, and what are the outcomes of that dynamic in today’s environment?

Look at the obesity epidemic in western cultures today. 68% of adults in the U.S. are overweight today and 34% are morbidly obese. Childhood obesity is at an all time high. Evolutionarily speaking this is the result of how our metabolism evolved to solve certain environmental challenges we faced. Back then food was scarce. Finding a way to insure we fed ourselves and our tribe was at a premium and our biology adapted to give us the best chance of survival. Today this metabolism is a liability in an environment where food is plentiful and what we need to do to get it is much less strenuous. That’s the quick way to illustrate what I’m getting at in the War Brides dynamic:

Given the harsh realities that women had to endure since the Paleolithic era, it served them better to psychologically evolve a sense of self that was more resilient to the brutal changes she could expect to be subjected to. Consider the emotional investment a woman needs to put into mothering a child that could be taken away or killed at a moment’s notice. Anxiety, fear, guilt, insecurity are all very debilitating emotions, however it’s women’s innate psychology that makes them more durable to these stresses. Statistically, men have far greater difficulty in coping with psychological trauma (think PTSD) than women. Why should that be? On the face of it you may think that men’s better ability to rationally remove themselves from the emotional would make them better at coping with psychological trauma, but the reverse is actually the case. Women seem to have a better ability to accept emotional sacrifice and move on, either ignoring those stresses or blocking them entirely from their conscious awareness. Women possessing a more pronounced empathic capacity undoubtedly served our species in nurturing young and understanding tribal social dynamics, however it was also a liability with regards to a hostile change in her environment. Stockholm Syndrome is far more pronounced in female captives, why should that be? Because women’s ancestral environment dictated the need to develop psychological mechanisms to help them survive. It was the women who could make that emotional disconnect when the circumstances necessitated it who survived and lived to breed when their tribe was decimated by a superior force. This is also known as the War Bride dynamic; women develop an empathy with their conquerors by necessity.

So how does this relate to the Alpha Widow dynamic? Let’s parse that out a bit.

Alpha Widows

Alpha Widows are women who’ve had an Alpha man in their past make such an impression upon them that any man that comes along after him must essentially fight with that impression in order to replace him as the optimal Alpha in her life. This is usually the man a woman pines for from her Party Years. Often he’s the first guy who ever fulfilled her Hypergamous dance card. Generally, this man is at least her perceptual ideal of the sexual selection criteria she was prioritizing during that phase of her life. Usually this guy is her sexual ideal as well. That sexual impact forms a strong psychological attachment because the memories of the sex she had are associated with hormonal triggers. The memories of a significant Alpha male are enough to prompt a physical arousal response in women.

Furthermore, that Alpha impact is so significant it can alter her future sexual strategy for every man who comes after him. This is one reason women generally have a Plan B man on hold should that Alpha ideal not present himself, or should he not be ‘tamable‘ by her in the long term. Women’s long term sexual strategies tend to be punctuated by holding out for their ‘soul mate’ who also happened to be the best sex she’d ever had. Lesser men who follow in his wake are simply contingency plans. In today’s feminine-primary social order, where women are encouraged ‘never to settle for less than they deserve‘, we see generations of women experiencing the consequences of this Alpha widowhood. In fact, we go to great efforts societally to placate to it, to lessen the impact of it, and to plan contingencies for it.

But where does that leave us?

One reason I detailed the War Brides dynamic in my earliest writing was because I’d had so many men ask me this question; ‘Why is it that women can so easily move on after a breakup? We were together for years and it’s like she never even knew me now!‘ The ugly, visceral truth of this is that women are far less convicted to feel remorse, guilt or shame over abandoning (Beta) men who didn’t meet their Hypergamous ideal. We all know the stories of the ‘ride or die‘ girl who would literally do anything for her man. I once had a reader link me a story about a woman who stole a police car whose arrested boyfriend was handcuffed in the back seat. There are definitely women who will help their man bury the bodies. However, that man almost universally is that woman’s Hypergamous, Alpha ideal. And this is where the power of Hypergamy comes into the equation.

Women’s prime reproductive imperative is consolidating in the long term on a man who best embodies her Hypergamous ideal. Even now I’m not sure readers really understand the influence Hypergamy has over women. Even factoring in the War Brides dynamic, there will always be women who will literally kill for a man who best exemplifies what she believes is (or was) the best she could ever do Hypergamously.

I covered some of this in SMV Ratios & Attachment. Hypergamy influences women’s concept of love, so much so that it forms the basis of who they will allow themselves to feel ‘love’ for when it comes to reproductive opportunities. If a man embodies this Alpha ideal no substitute will replace him, unless another man exceeds the previous man’s Alpha impact.

So, how does this modify the War Brides dynamic? Hypergamous imperatives can supersede the War Brides phenomenon in that it incentivizes women to mate guard and even kill a rival to preserve a long term reproductive opportunity with an idealized Alpha man. We can add layers of social and moral doctrines to this (marriage, tribe, religion), but it’s all really embellishments or a cover story for what’s really a biological phenomenon.

Women who monogamously pair with Beta men are far less motivated to feel remorse over that man’s death or replacement by a more Alpha rival. This is where the War Brides dynamic comes in full. Hypergamy never seeks its own level and if a woman’s lesser man is defeated by more Alpha rival this only gives her a better excuse for pivoting into that superior man’s Frame. That may seem duplicitous and self-serving, but this is the ugly, visceral truth, remember? The inverse of this is that Hypergamy dictates that women will only become Alpha Widows for worthy (Alpha) men – and sometimes even the fantasy of that ideal man is enough to replace a lesser man.

So, it follows that the degree to which a woman becomes an Alpha Widow or more easily adopts a War Brides mentality is directly related to what her perception of her former partners was. Regret, remorse and jealousy are reserved for what a woman’s hindbrain believes is her ideal reproductive opportunity. In light of this I’ll have to add some caveats to both the Alpha Widow and War Bride dynamics. Neither are mutually exclusive of the other, and both depend on a woman’s perception of the man (men) involved.


In case you were wondering about the title image here: Dutch and French women who slept with German soldiers during World War II publicly had their heads shaved to shame them for their natural Hypergamous impulses. This is an example of the survival-level conflict between Hypergamy and tribal affiliation.

178 comments

  1. Great post. finding myself speculating on whether Stockholm Syndrome plays into this somewhere also.

  2. How are you consistently so accurate, logical, and on-point, all of the time? You’ve heard this before Rollo, but it bears repeating. Had I only had access to this information 35 years ago…

  3. “Norway Apologizes, 70 Years Later, to Women Who Had Relationships With WWII Germans

    LONDON — In a national reckoning with its past, the Norwegian government has offered an official apology to women — and their offspring — who were ostracized, stigmatized and in some cases deported because of their relationships with German soldiers during World War II.

    The apology came from Prime Minister Erna Solberg, who lamented that the women had been treated in an undignified manner for having relations or bearing children with German soldiers — or were just suspected of having done so. They were seen as traitors by Norwegian society. Many faced unlawful arrest by the authorities.”

  4. “Women who monogamously pair with Beta men are far less motivated to feel remorse over that man’s death or replacement by a more Alpha rival. This is where the War Brides dynamic comes in full. Hypergamy never seeks its own level and if a woman’s lesser man is defeated by more Alpha rival this only gives her a better excuse for pivoting into that superior man’s Frame. That may seem duplicitous and self-serving, but this is the ugly, visceral truth, remember? The inverse of this is that Hypergamy dictates that women will only become Alpha Widows for worthy (Alpha) men – and sometimes even the fantasy of that ideal man is enough to replace a lesser man.”

    This dynamic ^ is why a man can’t expect or fish for sympathy from a woman.

    No matter how involved or trusted partner she is if he complains of another mans treatment she will percieve him as the bitch and dream of fucking his nemesis. Even if he’s a boss complaining about employees she will see him as the employees bitch. Keep your own council men.

  5. This column brought to mind the following observation, Rollo:
    You know how little sympathy men get when, by DNA test or otherwise, it is found that the child they thought was theirs is actually some other man’s. They are commonly advised to ‘man up’, that the ‘real’ father is the man who brings up baby, etc etc. Practically all women would respond similarly. (i.e. hypergamy talking…)
    On the OTHER hand, remember those notorious news stories when some naughty/evil doctor at the sperm bank swaps out the sperm that scores of women thought they were getting with – ahem! – his own pearly offering. And thereby fathers a hundred or more babies….
    Somehow the women are not so tolerant this time round, and want to lynch the doctor (and that’s still hypergamy talking!).
    The doctor goes to jail, the cuckold is told to get over it (and pay maintenance). Interesting.

  6. “In our chaotic ancestral past women and girls were a commodity to be preserved for a conquering tribe. While men or boys were either killed or enslaved, fertile age women would be preserved as spoils of conquest for superior, invading, men. Simply put, women have reproductive value – men (and often their sons) were mostly obstacles in the way of resource acquisition and those reproductive opportunities.”

    This actually can be observed in modern times too. Recently in Iraq when ISIS conquered the Yazidi villages all the males ended in mass graves while the females were spared and kept for sex or possibly for future breeding.

  7. This is one of the best posts of recent times by Rollo. Yes, it is getting very in depth, dark and bleak, but it is just exposing the ugly truths for what they are; truths that even women do not consciously understand.

    It’s exactly why she wants someone who, “just gets it”. That said, if you asked her to explain in words what “just getting it” means, she will mostly likely be stuck for words due to her solipsism not consciously understanding her own motives, only that those motives are there. She will also deduct that you “just don’t get it” by trying to get her to explain it – hamster rationalisation.

    I have always had a mindset to speak truths, despite whether what I say will upset or offended anyone. Normally I am met with hostility, and I am only starting to realise that the hostility is more focused towards people not wanting to hear the truths. In other words, it literally offends their ego investment in ideas that are not in line with today’s social order or what they’ve been conditioned to believe.

    One phenomenon that ties into this is that of why it is usually the pretty girls who remain single into adulthood, whereas all the HB 1-6s are monogamous come the age of 25. She’s been widowed by past relationship alphas that no other man comes close to match him in her current dating pool; she’s literally feeling disgust at the thought of having to settle for a ‘lesser’ man than what she has had in the past. Her epiphany phase then comes full swing at 29-31 where her reluctant gut tells her to settle for one of these ‘lesser’ guys because she knows her own looks cannot hold the attention of said alphas anymore.

    I’m a 30 year old single man, and I have seen this play out on dating apps. Swipe yes to 24-27 year old women – few matches. Swipe yes to 32-35 year old women – inundated with matches. It’s clear as day the truths behind this.

    My best advice to anyone coming into this awareness is to just view the whole interaction with your dates with a red pill lens to understand her motives because it sure as hell won’t be to love you for who you are. You need to treat her as an extension to your life, not the focus.

  8. Hey Rollo, can you do a post on how Men are exclusively viewed negatively within society & never thanked for their accomplishments?

  9. You hit it right on the head,i have been red pilled for years now and just encountered that alpha widow situation,luckly because of red pill i passed through that with ease and wisdom.

    Thank you for all this wisdom
    South Africa

  10. @JohnD

    “That said, if you asked her to explain in words what “just getting it” means, she will mostly likely be stuck for words due to her solipsism not consciously understanding her own motives, only that those motives are there.”

    Her best effort to make sense of her subconscious desires is by evoking words such as “chemistry” , “attraction” and the classic “my type of guy/not my type of guy”

  11. “Norway Apologizes, 70 Years Later, to Women Who Had Relationships With WWII Germans

    This is perfect. A set piece on the OP. A re-write of the past that also paves the way for ‘the future is female’. This is bound to be copied in other formerly occupied countries, if it hasn’t already been.

  12. Point missed. War bride or alpha widow? Can’t have both? Oh yes you can. Oh yes you do. Both is reality. It is not binary. And it is not intended to be fulfilled by any particular man, past or future, dead or alive. Female solipsistic insatiable hypergamic compulsion entitlement to “Mr. Right” is not intended to be resolved. It IS the resolution. There is no “end” resolution to hypergamy. Nature intends no end. Hypergamy is its own resolution. The evolutionarily formed resolution is the continuance of it. Hypergamy itself is the resolution. She is insatiable essentially. NO ONE is the “real” Mr. Right. She can never really be satisfied permanently (although the world is chock full of fools who desperately try in every way imaginable to fit the “role”). Mr. Right exists only in her mind. But he is not concrete. He is not rationally defined. He certainly isn’t the result of a binary choice. Hypergamy compels her to always and without interruption question opportunities, especially her current one or ones. It is instinctive drive, does not end until death. I see many very older women whos hypergamy hamster is still very much alive. It doesn’t die until she dies. Its legs still twitch with the death rattle.

    As a man this can be your curse or great opportunity. You choose.

  13. If you choose in any way to satiate her hypergamy completely, then you enslave yourself to an insatiable master, an insatiable ever more cruel tyrant who will eventually terminate your role. Only fools choose to play such roles. By playing such a role, the fool without exception, fashions himself into a poser. He forgoes his manhood in exchange for becoming a poser. May as well be a manikin. Your role becomes you and the tyrant terminates you. No one is satisfied by a poser, especially a tyrant.

    If, on the other hand, you choose to see and accept the truth, then you will understand and experience that hypergamy is your friend. It doesn’t end, so it provides endless opportunities. This is the truth with one woman or multiple women. Let her tyrant rule her. Do not fear her tyrant. Laugh at it. It is very laughable, because she cannot escape its rule. It is not intended to rule you. It is intended to rule her.

  14. Back to truth from Rollo, this Rollo post as someone remarked is a point blank shotgun blast to the gut. This dynamic was in full view yesterday at Halloween social event I was in attendance yesterday. It was husbands with their wives and kid’s trick or treating for Halloween in an office environment, I was giving off an IGAF attitude/vibe and got so many IOIs from wives it was depressing in a way, it was the abyss staring me in the face, no respect even with their husband and children present.

    This gentleman is the abyss, the abyss is not compatible with western civilization, make your own judgement. I even had a young non red pill guy who is a friend come up to me and tell me “I thought I understood the world but I’m not sure” because he saw the same things I did. I simply said Charles Darwin/ Law of the Jungle and left it at that. There is always someone better than you as a man, and that’s just the cold hard truth, hence it’s always just your turn, you are simply renting, and as we all know it’s stupid to invest in rentals. There is no formula to solve for, the abyss is insatiable/inescapable.

    Read the wise words again from Not Born This Morning:

    “there is no “end” resolution to hypergamy. Nature intends no end. Hypergamy is its own resolution. The evolutionarily formed resolution is the continuance of it. Hypergamy itself is the resolution. She is insatiable essentially. NO ONE is the “real” Mr. Right.”

  15. ““there is no “end” resolution to hypergamy. Nature intends no end.”

    agree.

    ” There is no formula to solve for”

    disagree.

    we have a whole calculus for dealing with the infinite

    Rollo et al started (continued?) the notation for the newer (older?) calculus of female nature

    swift progress being made

    there is always something new to solve

    new data to gather

    new hypotheses to test

    keep going. just like nature intends.

  16. Foxguy

    Abyss…? Doom and gloom?

    Hypergamy is its own resolution.

    Hypergamy does not operate as a constant function like breathing. It operates as a reflex, a response to stimulus. Like the Patellar Reflex. Hence “triggering” hypergamy…

    Just what it takes to trigger it in the moment depends on you. In both ways.

  17. JohnD
    “My best advice to anyone coming into this awareness is to just view the whole interaction with your dates with a red pill lens to understand her motives because it sure as hell won’t be to love you for who you are. You need to treat her as an extension to your life, not the focus.”

    In understanding her motives can you still have a relationship in a sexual context without letting it be all consuming? I’ve struggled with this in intimacy and just banging.

  18. History is good indicator of female behavior, which is why chastity belts were invented and castrated males were used to guard the harem.

  19. Fleezer, Sentient

    Agree, not giving a message to give it up per se. It’s more give up on the ownership angle, we invest more in something when we feel some type of ownership, so when I say there is no formula to solve for I mean in terms of ownership and hence investment(cough cough paternal).
    Not sure ownership is in mens interest anyway but I would say it’s a key component of western civilization.

    In terms of renting/no investing , yeah there are a lot of formulas out there, Rollo is a key contributor.

  20. @rugby
    “My overall impression is that this is part of the struggle.”

    Read what NBTM wrote:
    “If, on the other hand, you choose to see and accept the truth, then you will understand and experience that hypergamy is your friend. It doesn’t end, so it provides endless opportunities. This is the truth with one woman or multiple women. Let her tyrant rule her. Do not fear her tyrant. Laugh at it. It is very laughable, because she cannot escape its rule. It is not intended to rule you. It is intended to rule her.”

    Acceptance dude, you’ve got to have it. Making a break from preconceived notions is part of digesting the red pill.

  21. “History is good indicator of female behavior, which is why chastity belts were invented and castrated males were used to guard the harem.”

    Those are examples of trying to control the situation through force rather than good game. Unless your girlfriend or wife enjoys bondage then you’re going to have to figure out how to generate desire sex out of her. Forcing her to remain monogamous to you won’t generate desire sex.

  22. “it’s always just your turn, you are simply renting, and as we all know it’s stupid to invest in rentals.”

    Yes, the good thing about renting something is that you are not stuck with it. It might not be so bad after all. If it flies, floats or fornicates….

    Meanwhile we have women resorting to dating animals and ghosts…

    “I want to date your dog”
    https://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=197862457

    “Woman Who Claims To Have Had Sex With 20 Ghosts Now Engaged To One”
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/woman-sex-ghost-engaged_us_5bd8d204e4b01abe6a190ce0

  23. Rollo, could make a post expanding on that little paragraph at the bottom? I know you have written about it previously in regards to how women cheated en masse on their husbands during WW2, but how about the “battle between tribalism and hypergamy” and how they are (clearly) at odds with each other?

  24. Game, Fame or Frame are no guarantee of maintaining a woman’s fedelity unless she has no options at all …ln which case you wouldn’t want to keep her anyway. Menopause changes all the rules as well, the woman you married often become unrecognizable. ..

  25. “Norway Apologizes, 70 Years Later, to Women Who Had Relationships With WWII Germans”

    Why would any country ever apologize to anyone who willingly provided comfort and support to an enemy?

  26. I concur and applaud what @foxguy148 and @Not Born This Morning have written above.

    Female hypergamy can be fully integrated within the lacanian concept of “Das Ding”. I quote:

    Das Ding is German for ‘the thing’ though Lacan conceives it as an abstract notion and one of the defining characteristics of the human condition. Broadly speaking it is the vacuum one experiences as a human being and which one endeavours to fill with differing human relationships, objects and experiences all of which serve to plug a gap in one’s psychical needs. For this reason Lacan also considers Das Ding to be a non-Thing or vacuole. The relationships which one relies on to overcome the vacuity of Das Ding are always insufficient in wholly satisfying the individual.

    Lacan considers Das Ding a lost object ever in the process of being recuperated by Man. Temporarily the individual will be duped by his or her own psyche into believing that this object, this person or this circumstance can be relied upon to satisfy his needs in a stable and enduring manner when in fact ‘it is in its nature that the object as such is lost. It will never be found again. Something is there while one waits for something better, or worse, but which one wants and again [Das Ding] is to be found at the most as something missed. One doesn’t find it, but only its pleasurable associations. Human life unravels as a series of detours in the quest for the lost object or the absolute Other of the individual: ‘The pleasure principle governs the search for the object and imposes detours which maintain the distance to Das Ding in relation to its end.’

  27. Thank for this in-depth explanation Rollo! I won’t overload you with any more questions but would be great to be able to see you on Twitter again!

  28. Very useful article, Rollo, it should clear up the cognitive dissonance for a lot of men. I know it helped clarify my thinking. Because “war bride” and “ride or die girl” are just two sides of the same person, it’s not a contradiction. It’s always about the degree of Alpha, situational alpha, that is involved.

    A subtle version of this process is at work in any LTR / marriage where a man perceives his “ride or die” girl turning into something else: what’s really happened is he started off as her Alphaest Alpha, then allowed himself (usually through ignorance) to become Betaized to the point that her hindbrain pattern recognizer says “My Alpha is dead! Oh noes!”. The resolution to this is really going to depend on how far things went down the drain before he got a pair of The Glasses and could see clearly.

    A Betaized man who can’t quite grasp the process he and his woman have gone through may be so butthurt he can’t forgive her infractions; “If she really loved me then she would not have done [thing/things] so I’m done with her!” is one outcome. Another alternative is for a man to red pill himself enough to overcome that butthurt (need more T? Lift more!). As Rollo pointed out more than once sometimes it’s just not possible to fix things, better to restart.

    That option isn’t open to all men, however. I know there are some religious lurkers.

    The churchgoing man who takes his theology seriously cannot just “dump her”, he’s obliged himself to make the relationship works. That means churchgoing men have a steeper hill to climb, because they have to not only get red pilled in a blue pill society, they also have to deal with all their co-relligionists who are almost universally blue-pill pedestalizers. He’s got to get used to being a “majority of one” in his house, in society, and in his church as well. On the plus side, restoring a woman to “ride or die” state of mind should make dealing with churchians that much easier.

  29. @Orson

    Fantastic post. To what end do you, and other posters consider a deep realisation of Das Ding, and the resulting compassion towards other’s entanglement with it a valid path?

    These days I find myself questioning how can you be butt-hurt by a woman’s hypergamy when you fully understand it? How can you look at anyone with anything other than compassion in their blind worship of everything they seek to plug Das Ding?

    However is transcending the human experience and the never fulfilled Das Ding really transcendence, or just delusion?

  30. Yes, the good thing about renting something is that you are not stuck with it. It might not be so bad after all. If it flies, floats or fornicates….

    Do you reeeeally want a beta to raise your sons and daughters? Reeeeeally?

    Or maybe you don’t want kids? (Cough-Darwin Award-cough)

  31. A post from Rollo about being a man would be nice–especially about marriage and risk. Obviously, a blue pill beta would not be well-served by marriage. Neither would a red pill man who lacks game. But what about a red pill man who has game? Is marriage necessarily a losing proposition for him if he wants children?

  32. “Why would any country ever apologize to anyone who willingly provided comfort and support to an enemy?”

    The Prime Minister:

    https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/norway-prime-minister-erna-solberg-1025776.jpg

    The one on the left is the Norwegian Minister of Defense:

    https://liberalamerica.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2-4-2014-7-08-46-AM.png

    The others are the Ministers of Defense of:

    Sweden, the Netherlands and Germany.

    Hypergamy, it don’t care. Next they’ll be putting up statues of Quisling:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling

  33. Erna is apologizing to women that are mostly dead. Go figure,this must be about fucking muslim invaders or the new conquerers ,perhaps just optimization of hypergamy rules?

  34. ” . . . this must be about fucking muslim invaders or the new conquerers . . .”

    Ya think? Post hoc revisionist precedent to justify current behavior. Of course it isn’t Erna Quisling’s fault, it “just happened.”

  35. ” But what about a red pill man who has game? Is marriage necessarily a losing proposition for him if he wants children?”

    Nope. But don’t look to the bulk of the sphere for info on this, as ” marriage” invokes anger, fear and rage.

    Because bitches be crazy…

  36. Norway:
    This is female ingroup preference at work. Modern hypergamous, solipsistic women feeling sorry for hypergamous, solipsistic women of the past. It speaks volumes about the Frame of men in Norway … and West in general.

    If this apology is not enough, perhaps the more radical fems in Oslo could organize a retconned / retroactive SlutWalk for the girls of ’43…

  37. Nope. But don’t look to the bulk of the sphere for info on this, as ” marriage” invokes anger, fear and rage.

    Because bitches be crazy…

    …well, yeah, that’s the excuse…the real reason is fear of failure and lack of confidence in their game…pretty much everyone can learn game, but so many men don’t believe in their own manhood…the FI has undermined manhood so severely and the FI’s “men are failures” programs are running in so many “RP” men’s brains…

  38. “Well, at least they practiced hypergamy in dresses back then.”

    After the hair was removed, so were the dresses. Then they were jeered out of town to live out their natural lives in shame. Well, at least until nobody much cared any more.

    I wonder what happened to the men who were accused of collaborating:

    “Quisling was put on trial during the legal purge in Norway after World War II. He was found guilty of charges including embezzlement, murder and high treason against the Norwegian state, and was sentenced to death. He was executed by firing squad at Akershus Fortress, Oslo, on 24 October 1945.”

    But that’s alright. He had a fair trial. The women had their feelings hurt without benefit of a legal trial.

    Sisterhood über alles!

  39. “Game, Fame or Frame are no guarantee of maintaining a woman’s fedelity unless she has no options at all …ln which case you wouldn’t want to keep her anyway. Menopause changes all the rules as well, the woman you married often become unrecognizable. ..”

    What ASD wrote about life’s guarantees….true that.

    Women are not robots, neither are men. Humans are messy creatures. If you want perfect fidelity with zero worries and zero work then buy a sex bot critter/toy, or whatever the fuck they are called.

    If you’re that worried about risk and guarantees then perhaps this shit is just too much work for you. Nobody here is suggesting Game is 100% perfect or that you won’t have fuckups, be turned down or dumped. But some might suggest that you work hard at getting better Game before spending a lot of time complaining about dem damn bitches. Or lose the gut, dress halfway decent, brush your teeth more often and don’t be needy.

    Risk taking is part of life. Some people thrive on it, some don’t. All the more reason to vet, vet and then vet again.

  40. Risk taking is part of life.

    Put another way, risk taking is part of being a man. We men improve ourselves so that we can take risks. Boys who don’t work on improving themselves and avoid taking risks need to grow up.

    Risk taking, Gamer-style (not on the dance floor, Blax)

    I was at Goodcents with Mrs. Gamer. A pretty young thing ™ in high school made my sandwich. There was a discussion about Halloween candy. She admitted not liking chocolate. I stared at her in disbelief and she apologized, lol. I asked her if she liked sweets. She was totally in my frame, lol. Trying to please me with her convo.

  41. Or lose the gut, dress halfway decent, brush your teeth more often and don’t be needy.

    Stand tall, walk with a bounce in your step, nose slightly elevated, with a poker face that says that you are having a blast.

  42. Just recently discovered a very simple way to raise my SMV. I’m now starting my own business. When I tell prospective clients, especially women I’m “starting my own business…” interest in whatever I’m doing shoots up.

    My first two clients are women who support what I’m doing. I was at an entrepeneur’s mixer and gamed, number closed and met up with an HB8 who even though she had a bf was intrigued at how in her words how “elegant” I was.

    The whole idea of the 3 drivers of female to male attraction with “leader of men” topping the list doesn’t lie.

  43. “Alpha Widows are women who’ve had an Alpha man in their past make such an impression upon them that any man that comes along after him must essentially fight with that impression in order to replace him as the optimal Alpha in her life. This is usually the man a woman pines for from her Party Years.”

    Or sometimes the Alpha can be Daddy. Had it happen to me. No man could match Daddy.

  44. @kuchara But Daddy would have those 3 qualities: 1. Leader of men 2. Protector of Women & Children 3. Pre-selected by other women (Mom?)

    That level of projection would set a good example. Conversely if Daddy was beta then I’ve often found the girl shit-testing more…because her defenses are much higher. Rather than trying to find a guy like Daddy…she’s trying to AVOID a guy like Daddy.

  45. Roused
    “Making a break from preconceived notions is part of digesting the red pill.”
    I digested but my actions only define that interpretation.
    https://bit.ly/2CRMny0 (her reflections from sex to searching for meaning in time)
    I am leading myself into being that tyrant. That Man who knows the reason’s why. https://bit.ly/2P2dSwc When you lead if your in one domain as a tyrant to her nature does that make you domain independent? Are you skill sets stuck in one place with your own self mastery. Is that something honest to bring up with a women at all? Its all words meant to keep that tyrant in play mode when needed? If this never goes away and you can’t keep your guard down how do you internalize its true importance without being bitter and mean spirited about the process?

  46. Jesus Christ Rugby.

    What’s with the fucking links to some fantasy girl that has a boyfriend?

    And then a fantasy link to the Matrix Reloaded in a fantasy breaking out of the Matrix moment.

    Wtf?

    You are either moving forward or you are running in place. Try the former.

    You are better than that.

    Come on.

  47. SJF
    Reading a book got brought back somewhere. It was Mike Lew’s.
    War Brides
    file:///home/chronos/u-3188c05c95c1170ad26bb5b49280102b93fe4699/Downloads/sefad-2016-PatriarchalImplications.pdf
    “The fear is that she will spend her life raising the child(ren) of a suboptimal man.”
    http://www.diacronia.ro/ro/indexing/details/A26062/pdf
    SMV Ratios & Attachment.
    file:///home/chronos/u-3188c05c95c1170ad26bb5b49280102b93fe4699/Downloads/texmat-2014-0011.pdf
    Violence and reproduction
    Hey SJF have you ever heard or read the book the Cleft in 2007?

  48. No rugby, I don’t read fiction, and I don’t do regressive shit.

    “The Cleft is an exploration of what a primitive, all-female world might have been like – inhabited by lazy, communal, porpoise-like creatures – and of the chaos that ensues when they start, unaccountably, giving birth to boys.”

    The masculine doesn’t bend that way.

    Stop being in a feminine frame.

    Ever think of rising above rugby?

    Stop with your regression into thinking your childhood defines you. Move forward.

    Stop being the bitch that people have treated you like. You are better than that.

    Do not regress into your safe feeling about how you used to be treated. Your safe world.

    Break out.

    And don’t fake it. Don’t buffer it. Don’t waste our time here with your fucking buffering that is your so called kinetic learning. Stupid disconnected videos and all. It’s all a vapid buffer for your being shit on as a youth. No way to live.

    Step up a notch.

    You can do it. You must do it. Times a Wasting.

  49. “You can do it. You must do it.”
    Must meet to see this in Action other wise its just words an a screen.
    Goodnight SJF I’m off to clean and remove all the thing’s in the way.

  50. Exiting a red pill conversion leaves one exhausted, depressed, but certainly aware of the biological underpinnings of our mating strategies. Hypergamy and solipism is indeed, are system features and not bugs. Oneitis and mate guarding are system features and not bugs. Ad nauseum…..and understanding that the underlying code in human behavior is a result of millions of years of evolution designed for one thing, and one thing only, and that is for our DNA to push into the future through reproduction. Our bodies are simply vehicles for that. Here’s the catch: My dogs don’t know this but as a result of evolutionary brain development, we are.

    Pretty depressing if you dwell on it too much but really liberating if you can take this data and learn to manipulate your own environment to make your own life easier. The precepts of PUA allow you to circumvent the barriers keeping your sperm away from her egg and more importantly, being able to observe and calibrate is helpful in all walks of life. Not just with women.

    Most of us will never meet a real War Bride but the majority of us will come in contact with an Alpha Widow or two. The key is knowing how to maintain your frame and what to do when it first becomes a problem. Remember, it’s just your turn.

  51. @walala: about the SMV in starting your business, some remarks.

    Not necessarily “leader of man” (you don’t have employees yet), I’d say more “successful risk-taker”. Certainly a strong statement on your self-confidence.

    Nevertheless, be wary that as it relates to “business”, you may be triggering attractiveness (Beta Bucks) switches rather than arousal (Alpha Fucks) triggers.

  52. The behaviors and strategies described here can be seen in real life in regards to the migrant invasions. Overwhelmingly the ones on threads advocating for ‘fugees (overwhelmingly military-aged males) are whamens and hispanics (their brothers). Women are happy to “Let’s you and him fight.”, and are actually precipitating a conflict between worthy suitors. Women win either way, whether their own men reject and defeat the invaders or their weak men allow them in to be supplanted. They will get the strongest seed and carry on their genes, be it Aztec or Anglo.

  53. Boooo!!!!!

    There is no invasion.

    Tell me, what else scares you and keeps you up at night?

    Advocacy is for shit. A sideshow. Go to the border and count heads. Facts man, facts. Better than fear ( of other ).

  54. @Keyszer Soze
    Are you being sacarstic up there? Nothing Mr. Briffault says in that work suggests anything contrary to what Rollo is saying in his posting. I think Rollo has likely read all that already. I have tried a lot to look at Rollos contributions and weighed them against many contrary opinions and I hate to admit it but Rollo is right; that despite the pain we all suffer for having to accept much of the truth he posts and posits up in here.

    Anyway, Idont know what you would say about this but honestly if academic awards were based purely on contribution to knowledge I would say is Rollo is at and beyong doctrate level of contribution.

  55. “Goodnight SJF I’m off to clean and remove all the thing’s in the way.”

    And clean your room too! 😉

  56. Walawala and IAS are onto a ripe topic for future analysis: the pro/con red/blue aspects of entrepreneurship and the gig economy vs. the traditional workplace and career.

    In the meantime, good post Rollo, building on Past Indiscretions and Saving the Best. I’d like to see more up-close super-slo-mo analysis of how all this relates to that phase where a woman pretty much throws in the towel and decides it’s time to lock down a beta

    @asd
    Sadly I recall not just Commander Cody the band (Lookin’ at the World Through a Windshield!”) but also Commando Cody the 1950s crime-fighter with that loony space helmet.

  57. @cheupez

    “Are you being sacarstic up there?”
    No i am not.

    “Nothing Mr. Briffault says in that work suggests anything contrary to what Rollo is saying in his posting.”

    Please read the book. I know its a very long read. It is red pill on hard mode.

    Unfortunately what Rollo is saying about the ancestral female is wrong. What Rollo is saying is contrary to what Mr Briffault is saying.

    I love Rollos work and i appreciate it very much, but his view on the ancestral female is a myth and it is false.

  58. No feminist troll can deny this now. Once again the internet has revealed the true nature of women. All women are like that.

  59. @Rollo Tomassi

    In your text:

    https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/03/the-meaning-of-sacrifice/

    Your quote from Robert Briffault is not correct. He didnt wrote “all the conditions”, only “the conditions”. A minor but important correction.

    If you didnt read the book, here it is:
    https://archive.org/download/TheMothersTheMatriarchalTheoryOfSocialOriginsImages/TheMothersTheMatriarchalTheoryOfSocialOrigins.pdf

    By the way, the corrolaries (stated with the law) are not from Mr. Briffault. I dont think he would agree to them.

  60. I had to do a dominance move tonight with Daughter and Mrs. Gamer. Son in law had acted like a little girl and said offensive shit and feelings were hurt. (I’m sure that Daughter Gamer also said offensive shit, but that’s beside the point.) Daughter Gamer wanted to move back home with baby and I told her that she just needed to distract herself and calm down and get some sleep. I said the same shit to Mrs. Gamer. Peace temporarily restored in the Gamer household. SIL still needs a lot of self-improvement and I’ll need to come up with a project quickly that will facilitate bonding.

  61. Women cant do math. Why should google be forced to hire them? Answer the question, feminists.

  62. Why should google be forced to hire them?”

    “Because equality! Checkmate, sexist!” — random feminists texting each other to call HR to report you

  63. @Keyszer Soze

    Page 137:

    “Whenever a man removes his wife from her home and brings her to his own, procedure invariably involves a compact or transaction whereby such a transfer is sanctioned by the woman’s family; that sanction is obtained in all but some of the highest phases of culture by bestowing upon them a compensation or consideration. Another woman may be given in exchange . . .”

    Question: Where did that other woman come from. How is it that a man has such authority over her, in a “matriarchal” society, that he can transfer her as property to another?

    There are issues in this book, such as warfare and slavery, that Briffault brings up, and then “whooshes” away from without any examination. As he is presenting a rhetorical argument in a short popular book (not an academic argument in a tome), there may be reasons for that.

    Note also that earlier in the book Briffault mentions that what is being referred to as “Matriarchy” is not at all the same as Patriarchy with the sexes reversed. The “archy” is not a factor of who has control over political or economic power, but who has control over children.

    In that sense if you wish to see what a primal matriarchy may look like, just go outside.

  64. Who has control over the children changes the course of giant swaths of society, and even the totality of society.

    Google: Lynch letter.

    ( Revisionist dispute authenticity, but the content is indisputable )

  65. Re: women can’t do math.

    This is where arguments go off the rails.

    Most women/people can’t do ‘ math ‘ dependent on the level in question. Historically men have been ‘ better/innovative ‘ at complex math. This doesn’t constitute ‘ all ‘ men, not by a long shot.

    Considering the male/female disparities in college attendance, it’s probable that the higher level of math competency will suffer long-term, but this is a sample size/pool issue.

  66. “Revisionist dispute authenticity . . .”

    All inauthentic documents are authentic. It is only their source that is disputed, not the document itself. The document exists. It came from somewhere. It has some purpose, and thus some meaning.

    The authentic study of inauthentic documents may be the most important in the field of history.

  67. @ kfg
    You make the same mistake as the others by taking a part out and forming an opinion right away. Why do you have the sections before and after omitted? With the sections before and after, this results in a completely different sense.

    Your question will be answered in detail in the following pages of the book.

    Please do not make any hasty conclusions.

  68. “You make the same mistake as the others by taking a part out and forming an opinion right away.”

    I have read the book. I am reading it again as a refresher of its contents. I have read many, many other books as well, some of them written after Briffault’s time and with a more solid foundation (the invention of anthropology as a field was only a few decades old when the book was written, and had only been an accepted field for about a decade. For that matter, I agree with Briffault that one of the underpinnings of anthropology ought to be a solid foundation in biology and zoology). More importantly perhaps, I have actually lived with primitive peoples, first as a child, which allowed me to be treated as a child of the tribe and to see things that anthropologists might well miss, or have deliberately hidden from them.

    And I am not disputing Briffault’s Law or his hypothesis that primal human society was matriarchal.

  69. Blaximus
    Most women/people can’t do ‘ math ‘ dependent on the level in question.

    There you go, ruining a perfectly good troll/rant with stuff like facts ‘n things.

  70. I was watching some old “you are NOT the father” You Tube compilation videos from the Maurey Povich Show.

    With a Red Pill Lens, I can understand why the baby-momas are so shocked that the man they convinced themselves was the biological father was not.

  71. @kfg

    I’m sorry, this time I was a bit hasty. I hope you forgive me. Beside this book I found “sin snd sex” very worth reading. Which books after the time of Briffault can you recommend me? With which primitive peoples did you live? I also lived for a short time as a teenager among primitive people and was able to experience freedoms that do not exist now.

  72. Super busy, didn’t read new post yet. But wanted to drop this gem from Quillette. Read this article and then read the comments. Even among so called defenders fo masculinity, there is an absurd gynocentric tinge to the dialog. It’s as though they’ve never grokked that if men weren’t violent and aggressive, women would all be dead or slaves…

    https://quillette.com/2018/10/29/on-toxic-masculinity/

  73. “Which books after the time of Briffault can you recommend me?”

    These may seem a bit out of the way (and I’m speaking a bit generically for the peanut gallery), but:

    1. Any high school biology text book from the 60s or 70s. The first chapter should be an introduction to the carbon cycle (the last contemporary text book I looked at had it in section B of chapter 15).

    2. Zoology Made Simple
    https://www.amazon.com/Zoology-Made-Simple-Dorothy-Soule/dp/0385088701

    3.Cheyenne Autumn
    https://www.amazon.com/Cheyenne-Autumn-Mari-Sandoz/dp/0803293410/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1541181501&sr=1-1&keywords=cheyenne+autumn

    4. Book of the Hopi
    https://www.amazon.com/Book-Hopi-Frank-Waters/dp/0140045279?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=0140045279

    “With which primitive peoples did you live?”

    That would tend to dox me.

  74. @Sentient. now be prepared for Beta guys to hate on you even more.

    Actually that raises my value.

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