Rollo Tomassi & Elliott Hulse

I’m presently working on a new essay series, the first of which will publish this week, but for now I’m proud to announce that the video I did with Elliott Hulse (about 4 months ago) is now up for viewing. This was a great discussion and I think both our audiences will get a lot of value from our meeting of the minds.

Let me know what you think about this. Would you like to see more of these in the future? Was there something you’d have liked me to cover? Do you have any questions about what we did discuss?

Let me know in the comments.

136 comments

  1. Hi Rollo, I think it’s awesome you did something with Elliot. A man who, I think, has been an inspiration to many on YouTube through not only his videos focused on masculinity, but also through his practical videos on motivation and strength training.

    I’m happy to see you two in one video, and I hope more will follow in the future!

  2. It’s good video Rollo. I think you have new guys constantly tuning in and discovering the red pill truths so it’s good to talk about the basics. When are you gonna make some enemies like milo and Jordan Peterson did ? Your enemies propel one into the spotlight.

  3. Rollo, first off thank you for the awakening, you are a vital part of the manosphere which is needed now more than ever. I’m transitioning from purple to red pill and wish you would address 2 subjects in more detail:
    1. Honesty only works one way. The way a man communicates is based on fact or supposition based on experience. Women neither hear, react, or emphasize with a man that is honestly critical or has misgivings over a current situation. For me I had to walk away but is seems endemic to females that honesty can be an affront to their ego, sense of entitlement and want of control. Character seems to only reside in men.
    2. There are plenty of great men that we should uphold as masculine examples worthy of emulation, certainly Clint Eastwood, Steve McQueen, Chuck Yeager, Teddy Roosevelt ( he man in the arena speech is epic) and many others. I believe Masculinity must be taught, observed, and imprinted on young men and not by single mothers, feminist teachers or the current gynocentric society.

  4. “1. Honesty only works one way. ” – yeah it works only manman. It’s a free-for-all man woman

  5. Here’s a topic I’ve been thinking about in not-so-clear terms:

    I, and I’m assuming most other men, were born red-pill. I remember thinking about hypergamy and related factors while observing adults as a child. At age 5-10 I remember some of those “pure” thoughts of a particular woman being with a particular man for specific reasons, like money, power, etc. One persistent thought was “she’d leave him if she could do better”…
    Growing up as a skinny short stuttering kid I could see these behaviors as young girls chased young ‘cool’ boys…

    I wonder what the trend of age-specific imprinting has been over the post 50 years

  6. @Rugby. We talked about this…

    Watch the video before posting random shit. It just brings down the overall quality of the site when you hikack every thread with your own random musings.

  7. Hey Rollo.

    Always good to hear you speak. This man Elliott seems like a solid man,I liked his directness and ability to stay on point. I believe you men could go on for days,with the 101 discussion,without any suggestions from me. Looking forward to the next talk with Rollo and Elliott.

  8. ” . . . Elliott seems like a solid man . . .”

    Exactly the term I settled on when, back in the day, I wondered to myself how I would describe him. The sort of man who if he were on your fireteam it would never occur to you to worry about whether your back was covered.

  9. Great highlights of your work.

    Along about 38:00 in the video, the discussion focuses on “breaking up with her in your mind” to establish or reestablish your own frame because a woman’s desire or attraction is stimulated by a man who lives in and controls his own frame. True. But, the message can be, and is by far most often, misinterpreted or willfully distorted and applied very destructively.

    We risk making ourselves, and most do, into very elaborate posers only to live the lives of puppets and clowns.

    Here is why. If you construct and control your frame to stimulate desire in her, then you are doing so because you need her desire and you need her worse than she needs you. Why else would you jump through these mental hoops and worry about “frame” and pontificate all this? Either you are in control of yourself to begin with, or your are not. If you are concerned about constructing and controlling your frame, then you don’t have one to begin with. If you are “taking control” and “building your own frame” to stimulate her desire, then your need for her desire and your need for her is the dominate frame that controls whatever frame you “build” or “control”. No matter how elaborate and sophisticated your frame becomes or how much you lift, or how many tattoos you get, or how your beard looks, or how cocky, mysterious and funny you try to be, or the color of your tank top, or the necklace you wear, or what kind of vehicle you drive, or what “type of guy” (fashion poser) you are, or how much money you make, or how your tan looks, or what intellectual ideas you discuss, or how “alpha” you try to appear to be….everything you do, every effort you make, will be made within the frame you are building…. but you are building your frame from a position that is inside her frame…because you are building it to stimulate her desire for you and approval of you. You are building a frame you think will meet her approval because you need her more than she needs you. You did not have your own frame to begin with and building one now only serves to gain her approval of you from within her frame. You are literally building a frame that she will approve of and you hope she will take it into her frame. So you build a frame around yourself to meet the approval of her frame. You are inside this new frame you built which you hope she will take inside her frame. You are building a prison for yourself hoping she will take your new prison and put it inside her frame. You are trying to put yourself within a prison that is within another prison. You dug your hole deeper!

    AND…. here is the really sad and disgusting part. You still have no frame. You never had your own frame and you don’t have one now. You don’t want to have your own frame. If you did, you would have built it already. No one is fooled but you. You have only fabricated a collage of smoking mirrors.

    Why worry about performing such antics, jumping through such hoops, projecting such fashionable images of yourself and turning mental summersaults like this to “figure it all out” so you can “get with women” or keep one? The world is full of opportunity. All the bullshit is not the same as taking advantage of opportunity. In fact, the bullshit is a psychological coping mechanism to reconcile for regret for not taking opportunity or to fabricate an excuse for not facing the fear of opportunity. Don’t make yourself into a bullshit artist.

  10. Here is why. If you construct and control your frame to stimulate desire in her, then you are doing so because you need her desire and you need her worse than she needs you.

    I’m so glad you’re gay. Cuz you obviously don’t need pussy. hehe

    Seriously, you have to look at biology and stop hamsterbating. Need intensity isn’t constant in women, although it is in men. A woman starts off with a very low sex drive. A man’s baseline sex drive will always be higher than a woman’s sex drive and his sex drive doesn’t vary much because his sex drive is based on testosterone level.

    Women work differently. Women’s sex drives are based mostly on their emotions, which produce high levels of dopamine. A man signals masculinity and spikes a girl’s emotions. Dopamine floods her system, her eyes light up and her RAS focuses on the object of her desire. Her labia lube.

    So, if you want to do the mating dance, it helps to understand it and have some skill at it. Frame is what enables you to pass shit tests, which are part of the mating dance. Frame mostly helps prevent getting dumped. A strong frame starts with “pussy is just pussy.” Pussy is not a big deal because you have abundance. You spin plates to generate abundance. [Cue Rollo’s Plate Theory.] Abundance will naturally cause you to not care too much about any particular girl. Thus, you have a zero-fucks-given frame that develops. Verstehen Sie?

  11. “AND…. here is the really sad and disgusting part. You still have no frame. You never had your own frame and you don’t have one now.”

  12. @Not Born This Morning
    November 8, 2018 at 9:36 am

    I’m not understanding what you are getting at there.

    What are you advocating for?

    Are you advocating for avoiding pitfalls inherent in a man lacking true mastery?

    Are you advocating for not-worth-it-this-morning, Relationship Game?

    What are you really trying to say?

  13. “You are building a frame you think will meet her approval because you need her more than she needs you.”

    Even if you already had a frame to begin with she is willing to submit to it because her hypergamous needs are met within that context. It’s always about HER no matter who controls the frame as her innate irrational solipsism dictates.

    Reading some reviews of Esther Vilar’s “The Manipulated Man”.

    “According to Vilar woman condition men to exist purely for their material needs. Men are a resource. Their function is to perform the tasks that women cannot and will not do, to that end women are trained in subtle forms of manipulation from a very early age. Boys on the other hand are trained to be servants, to submit to the needs of woman, to be protective and provide. To understand everything women don’t want to have to know. As part of this manipulation women are weak and stupid. According to Vilar this stupidity is chosen and not a function of intellect. Little boys and little girls she tells us are of equal intellect at birth but through lack of need women ignore those things that mean little to them, their slave will take care of it.

    For the mans part his indenture is his greatest desire, he seeks a lack of freedom, a mind and soul crushing existence because he finds his highest self in serving the woman/women in his life. Her happiness, her safety, her desire is his greatest calling. A free man is a boat adrift, uncertain in his choices, uncomfortable that he has no master. Only when a man has a woman to devote his work to can he thrive, not only in his workplace but in his life. His unfreedom is his greatest source of confidence, of power because he’s fulfilling the role he’s been groomed from since birth.”

    another reviewer:
    “read the theory contained in the book “The Rational Male” before reading this book. This will help this book make more sense….Given that the author of this book is female and openly writing similar statements about women 35 years prior to the advent of Tomassi’s work is amazing.”

    Question for Rollo: Have you read this book? If yes what do you think about it?

  14. A man’s baseline sex drive will always be higher than a woman’s sex drive and his sex drive doesn’t vary much because his sex drive is based on testosterone level.

    Hmmm. This sounds good, but I’m not so sure that it is 100% correct anymore, especially in the last 15-20 years or so.

    Test levels are plummeting, and have been for quite a while. That’s why there are so many weak, doughy motherfuckers everywhere.

  15. Oh, and I agree with 95% of what NBTM wrote.

    Good breakdown. When guys talk about ” frame ” and ” women ” almost in the same breath, it is telling that the Frame is mostly false and not based on the man’s mpoo.

  16. Even if you already had a frame to begin with she is willing to submit to it because her hypergamous needs are met within that context. It’s always about HER no matter who controls the frame as her innate irrational solipsism dictates.

    Nah, this isn’t fully correct.

    Fuck. Her. Frame.

  17. Test levels are plummeting, and have been for quite a while. That’s why there are so many weak, doughy motherfuckers everywhere.

    Male test levels are still much higher than female test levels, and those test levels are constant for each individual man. Even if test levels vary between generations of males, my statement is still accurate. Verstehen Sie?

  18. Male test levels are still much higher than female test levels, and those test levels are constant for each individual man..

    Not true. Not true at all actually.

    Yes, men have higher test levels than women. Much higher ( usually ).

    No, testosterone levels are not constant in men.

  19. No, testosterone levels are not constant in men.

    For the purposes of my explanation–over a short time frame–it is true. You’re getting whiny and bitchy. Did you forget to take your T supplement today?

  20. ” Women work differently. Women’s sex drives are based mostly on their emotions, which produce high levels of dopamine. A man signals masculinity and spikes a girl’s emotions. Dopamine floods her system, her eyes light up and her RAS focuses on the object of her desire. Her labia lube.”

    Women’s sex drives are driven primarily by testosterone, and influenced <I/. by emotions.

    Estrogen influences the response to " masculinity " ( and emotions ). This is why Brad Pitt doesn't give you a hard on ( I assume ). If a man has estrogen dominance, one of the symptoms is that he becomes " overly emotional " or " moody ".

    Right before he grows moobs.

    Women's emotions can produce dopamine, serotonin, and a host of other neural-hormone/hormones. Wet labias, as you put it, are the result of multiple chemical reactions, and not just one necessarily ( varies between people ).

  21. “Are they a significant part of the population?”

    Enough so to support billions of dollars of business annually. There are also soldiers, firemen, college students, etc, all, in their own way, participants in endurance events.

    “Why are you posting this?”

    Because the knowledge is of value.

  22. “Women’s sex drives are driven primarily by testosterone . . .”

    The thing that almost all women who dope test note first, with some degree of shock, is how incredibly horny they get.

  23. Women’s sex drives are driven primarily by testosterone, and influenced <I/. by emotions.

    Lol, women’s T-levels wouldn’t cause even a male shrew to erect. The key is the RAS. Is a woman “lit up”?

  24. When menopausal women are around a dominant man, they give off the same signals of sexual desire as young women do, despite having much lower T levels than young women, who have much lower T levels than old men.

  25. Normal testosterone levels. Normal testosterone levels in men are around 280 to 1,100 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). Women secrete much lower amounts, with normal levels considered to be between 15 and 70 ng/dL.

    Testosterone is a hormone known as an androgen. It’s often thought of as a “male” hormone. However, women also have testosterone in their bodies.

    Imbalances of either too much or too little testosterone can affect a woman’s overall health. Some of the functions testosterone serves in a woman’s body include:
    producing new blood cells
    enhancing libido
    influencing follicle-stimulating hormones that can affect reproduction.

    According to the Department of Health & Human Services in Victoria, Australia; testosterone production in women is often age-dependent. By the time a woman is 40 years old, her levels of androgens have decreased by half.

    There’s still a lot that doctors are researching about low testosterone in women and treatments for low testosterone. However, new treatments are being studied that may provide help to women affected by low testosterone levels.

    What are the symptoms of low testosterone in women?

    Some of the symptoms associated with low testosterone in women include:
    affected sexual desire
    affected sexual satisfaction
    depressed mood
    lethargy
    muscle weakness>b/>

    …. jeezus.

  26. Females are the selectors. An HB10 can walk up to virtually any male, and tell him “let’s fuck” and, unless he’s a big homo like @NBTM, he will happily go fuck her (a more skeptical fella will be like “wait a minute…what’s the catch? but why tho? why would he think, she GOTTA be a prostitute or something, and not accept, she an HB10, just wants to fuck him, some middle aged beer-bellied dude, with no strings attached, simply because he was just standing there?).

    A male can not perform the same feat (walk up to an HB10 and say “lets fuck” and she’ll just shrug her shoulders, “hmmm….ok 🙂 “). why?

    because males are the seducers. This is why for men, game is based on being ‘alpha’, being ‘funny’, ‘cocky’, ‘mysterious’, ‘sexual’ (and separately why we lift (not the only reason), dress stylishly) and shit. ya know? All them crazy ‘antics’ we men perform, and silly ‘hoops’ we jump through, you complaining about? While for girls, 95% of their ‘game’ is looks. (https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/game-for-girls/)

    If you want to have sexual relations with non-escort females, which is sounds like you don’t, this is simply the burden of performance.

  27. ” When menopausal women are around a dominant man, they give off the same signals of sexual desire as young women do, despite having much lower T levels than young women, who have much lower T levels than old men.”

    You’re broad brushing and misunderstanding all at once.

    If a woman has a T level of 7 ng, and a man has a T level of 120 ng, it doesn’t much matter.

  28. ” The “normal” or healthy level of testosterone in the bloodstream varies widely, depending on thyroid function, protein status, and other factors.

    For men ages 19 and up, normal testosterone levels range from 240 to 950 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). For women ages 19 and up, normal testosterone levels range from 8 to 60 ng/dL.

    Testosterone levels reach their peak around age 18 or 19 before declining throughout the remainder of adulthood.”

    Not constant.

    And I have always disagreed that a T level of 240 is ” normal ” for any male, regardless of age.

  29. … Wtf?

    Is there something in the water today?

    Females are the selectors. An HB10 can walk up to virtually any male, and tell him “let’s fuck” and, unless he’s a big homo like @NBTM, he will happily go fuck her (a more skeptical fella will be like “wait a minute…what’s the catch? but why tho? why would he think, she GOTTA be a prostitute or something, and not accept, she an HB10, just wants to fuck him, some middle aged beer-bellied dude, with no strings attached, simply because he was just standing there?).

    I think you might be right, but ” men ” like this are 1) young and inexperienced. 2) serial pedestalizers. 3) desperate and have a low opinion of themselves.

    A male can not perform the same feat (walk up to an HB10 and say “lets fuck” and she’ll just shrug her shoulders, “hmmm….ok 🙂 “). why?

    Sure a male can, if he has the knowledge, persona and skillset.

    Lol….hb10. They come from another planet…

    “because males are the seducers. This is why for men, game is based on being ‘alpha’, being ‘funny’, ‘cocky’, ‘mysterious’, ‘sexual’ (and separately why we lift (not the only reason), dress stylishly) and shit. ya know? All them crazy ‘antics’ we men perform, and silly ‘hoops’ we jump through, you complaining about? While for girls, 95% of their ‘game’ is looks. (https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/game-for-girls/)

    Men jumping through any hoops for any woman, as a driver for his actions, is doing it wrong.

    I know, I know, this flies in the face of pua-centric thought, but facts are facts. Doing shit for the attentions of women solely, is operating in their frame, and could wind up being detrimental.

    Man is not Woman.

    2 different things.

  30. Not constant.

    You austistic, bro? In the short term, men’s T levels are constant, barring doping.

    What are the symptoms of low testosterone in women?

    Some of the symptoms associated with low testosterone in women include:
    affected sexual desire
    affected sexual satisfaction
    depressed mood
    lethargy
    muscle weakness>b/>

    …. jeezus.

    …based on what women say and what researchers expect, (we all know that researchers have the lowdown on women’s sexual desire)…(and sexual deisre isn’t the same thing as sexual arousal in the middle of sex)…

    backatcha

    So you don’t know when a girl’s sexual desire is red hot? You just go into autoplaya mode or someting?

  31. I’ll just leave this here ( not from heartiste btw…)

    https://therationalmale.com/2017/05/25/the-meta-frame/

    ” In last week’s comment thread Not Born This Morning shared an interesting quote that got me to thinking about Frame in a larger, meta perspective. I’m going to riff on it a bit here as I go, but I think it’s important to understand that the concept of Frame applies in many different circumstances in a man’s life. I’ve covered this idea in Frame as the first Iron Rule of Tomassi, as well as in Blue Pill Frame and in an interview of Mark Baxter and Carl from Black Label Logic.”

  32. Doing shit for the attentions of women solely, is operating in their frame, and could wind up being detrimental.

    So, J, just be attractive and don’t be unattractive. Blax’s rules of da playa. That’s all you need.

  33. @blax

    “Sure a male can, if he has the knowledge, persona and skillset.”

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/picard-facepalm.jpg

    “Men jumping through any hoops for any woman, as a driver for his actions, is doing it wrong.”

    dude….you gotta stop this habit of singling out specific words I use (“hb10”, “hoops”), and focus on the central message instead. (females = selectors. males = seducers.)

    But just to address your point….

    Jumping through hoops – to do a complicated or annoying series of things in order to get or achieve something

    ya think I want to “befriend” her friends?
    ya think I want to tell her to come back to my place, “for a glass of wine”? instead of just “to fuck”?
    ya think I want to hear about her “hobbies” and shit?
    etc.,

    Lmao. Nah. but I know, doing all that annoying shit, will increase my odds of achieving my end goal (bang this hottie I’m talking to….then ya I’ll shoot the shit with her no problem afterwards). So I do them…just like any other successful seducer.

  34. ” …based on what women say and what researchers expect, (we all know that researchers have the lowdown on women’s sexual desire)…(and sexual deisre isn’t the same thing as sexual arousal in the middle of sex)…”

    Okay. You win. You’ve obviously thought and studied this to gain insight.

  35. ” ya think I want to “befriend” her friends?
    ya think I want to tell her to come back to my place, “for a glass of wine”? instead of just “to fuck”?
    ya think I want to hear about her “hobbies” and shit?
    etc., ”

    Point, who told you that you HAD to do any of that shit??

    Who’s Frame is this ( …who bitch this is ??)

    Do what you want, and what you think is the only thing that works for you ( skills limitation/understanding deficit ) – just recognize what’s going on.

    Men don’t have to be ” annoyed ” to get sex, unless you are suffering from some weakness.

    Sorry.

  36. I don’t think I’ve ever tried ” tricking ” any chick into sex, or did a bunch of hopeful shit to get laid.

    There will be no misunderstanding.

    Lmao.

  37. @ j

    After my divorce, when I’d have a chick invite herself back to my house to ” chill and hangout “, I’d make it crystal clear that all women crossing my threshold were subject to sex, no exceptions.

    I never asked a chick to go get coffee or drinks unless I wanted coffee or drinks. I avoided ” asking ” chicks to go someplace with me for sex. The ” asking ” shit doesn’t sit well with me. I never listened to any chick talk about anything that I didn’t want to hear, unless she was my boss in some capacity.

    This is the crux of what Frame is getting at. Pua doesn’t integrate fully with Frame, hence the disconnects.

    And I ” stick ” on your pronouncements about HB10’s and shit, because they are telling and illustrative and useful.

  38. “who told you that you HAD to do any of that shit??”

    101

    – if ya don’t befriend her friends = cockblocked
    – if ya straight up tell her to come back to your place for sex = high % it will unnecessarily trigger Anti Slut Defense and kill the sexual tension.
    – if I don’t talk or share any interest in what she likes to do = She won’t feel that emotional connection (which is necessary if you want to bang a girl beyond a ONS). Which commonalities help create. that whole “we are drawn to people with similar interests and ideas” shit.

  39. “Frame applies in many different circumstances in a man’s life.”

    If a man is alone in the woods, his chances of survival largely depend on his frame.

  40. “Who’s Frame is this ( …who bitch this is ??)”

    That is exactly what I was wanting to voice about NBTM’s rant.

    And I think the comment in the original video was on LTR Game.

    And I think Rollo did an excellent job of consolidating the thoughts that NBTM is talking about faking it and not making it into proper Frame in his essays on The Reconstruction parts I-IV. I lived through that reconstruction and so did many other MRP guys.

    It’s actually fun to reflect on the challenges that had been ahead of us. And the breakthroughs we made.

    Two other buddies and I (in LTR’s), we rewired our brains. We’re totally different. No Fake. Full On Our Frame. Totally Authentic. You know it when you feel it.

    Not sure why J is commenting about NBTM’s comment, which is about Relationship Game. Something beneath his dignity. Something he’s falsely relating to PUA Game. (not that there is anything wrong with that. Just that he’s probably full of shit with his comments and his life plans.)

  41. ” …based on what women say and what researchers expect, (we all know that researchers have the lowdown on women’s sexual desire)…(and sexual deisre isn’t the same thing as sexual arousal in the middle of sex)…”

    Okay. You win. You’ve obviously thought and studied this to gain insight.

    Lemme channel Blax: “I go off of what I see.”

  42. “Pua doesn’t integrate fully with Frame, hence the disconnects”

    Frame as defined by Dave Riker of Speed Seduction (PUA):

    “There is you and the person in the picture. The frame is around that picture, so it’s “How does one see that interaction”.

    Is the frame of it that you’re “hitting on her”? Is the frame of it that “she is absolutely gorgeous and you’re intimidated”? That’s a frame.

    So if you’re sitting there in the frame that you have is “Oh, she’s really gorgeous and very beautiful, and god, I would be so lucky to spend two minutes talking to her” that’s your frame. But if your frame is “god, she is stunning, but you know, let’s see if there’s more to her than that. Let’s see what she is like as a person.” That’s your frame.

    The point of a frame isn’t to do something to convince her that the frame is something different than it is. The point of a frame is to have the frame.

    all of the subtleties of how you present yourself, how you move, how you act, what you say, all of the aspects of what your subconscious is going to be doing, all of those things that her subconscious is going to be perceiving, that’s all going to come across. You have set the frame.”

    Examples of frames (wrt seduction only):

    – sexual frame (interaction)
    – secret society frame (interaction)
    – fuckbuddy frame (relationship)

    and last, a classic comment on ‘frame’ by Ya (PUA):

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/freeze-frame-controlling-the-conversation/#comment-285294

    “Not sure why J is commenting about NBTM’s comment, which is about Relationship Game. Something beneath his dignity”

    His comment was gay, so I wrote a basic comment on who’s the selector and who’s job it is (and whose burden it falls upon) to be the seducer wrt sex.

  43. ” and last, a classic comment on ‘frame’ by Ya (PUA):”

    Lol. I had a flashback to a convo Ya and I had about ” laughing and talking your way out of a fight/confrontation “.

    That was another time when I asked him where he lived, because I was trying to understand what fucking field he was inhabiting.

    ” call the cops ” is a shitty frame. Lol.

    ” call the undertaker ” is much better.

  44. “. . . because males are the seducers . . .”

    . . . they wear makeup and bat their eyes a lot.

  45. I don’t think I’ve ever tried ” tricking ” any chick into sex, or did a bunch of hopeful shit to get laid.

    There will be no misunderstanding.

    Cosign.

    J

    I think that you and Blax have very different life experiences…

    – if ya don’t befriend her friends = cockblocked

    Blax does this and doesn’t even think about it. But Blax doesn’t do bars and probably not sets. Probably girls who are solo and don’t have to answer to their friends. You might ask Blax about the times that he crashed and burned to get more info about his game….

    – if ya straight up tell her to come back to your place for sex = high % it will unnecessarily trigger Anti Slut Defense and kill the sexual tension.

    My first lay I straight up said that I wanted sex. I barely knew her, but she was in my circle of friends. She had zero ASD. We were alone in her dorm room when I said that I wanted sex. Sitting on the floor crosslegged. Facing each other. Holding hands. Staring at one another.

    When I said that I wanted sex, two shit tests followed rapid fire. Then she thought about logistics for several seconds and said that she’d call me and she called me and the rest is history.

    ASD may be related to whether a girls’ friends are in the venue and will know about the liaison. That may have been an uncommon occurrence for Blax.

    – if I don’t talk or share any interest in what she likes to do = She won’t feel that emotional connection (which is necessary if you want to bang a girl beyond a ONS).

    Rapport shit. I have some rapport with Mrs. Gamer and the rest of the family. Rapport does help form some emotional connections, but it seems to me that it really shouldn’t be necessary for a fuckbuddy.

    I’ve danced with a young girl with whom I had zero rapport, but I really enjoyed listening to her voice while she chattered about inane shit. So I found her attractive and she wanted to please me and the vocal-musical connection was enough for us to enjoy each other’s company.

  46. Great podcast. It felt like it could serve as introduction to redpill as whole. Personally i kind of wanted more focus on why millennians couldnt understand masculinity, is there a way to regain it in conventional fashion and incels in general ( involuntary sexless lifestyle influence on guys in general).

  47. “His comment was gay, so I wrote a basic comment on who’s the selector and who’s job it is (and whose burden it falls upon) to be the seducer wrt sex.”

    Hey, Hey, good answer J.

  48. @theasdgamer

    “Blax does this and doesn’t even think about it.”

    I know.

    “My first lay I straight up said that I wanted sex. I barely knew her, but she was in my circle of friends. She had zero ASD. We were alone in her dorm room when I said that I wanted sex. Sitting on the floor crosslegged. Facing each other. Holding hands. Staring at one another.”

    Completely different context.

    “Then she thought about logistics for several seconds and said that she’d call me and she called me and the rest is history.”

    in 2018 (cue the “hurr hurr the current year” shit) she’d ghost you. But it seems like, she was part of your social circle and not a complete stranger, so idk. social circle =/ cold approach.

    “That may have been an uncommon occurrence for Blax.”

    yup.

    “it seems to me that it really shouldn’t be necessary for a fuckbuddy.”

    oh, I’m sorry. You’re SNLing these girls without forming an emotional connection, and they still want to see you post sex? dang it! how do you do it man? share your secrets, playa.

    “I’ve danced with a young girl with whom I had zero rapport, but I really enjoyed listening to her voice while she chattered about inane shit. So I found her attractive and she wanted to please me and the vocal-musical connection was enough for us to enjoy each other’s company.”

    completely irrelevant….

  49. j tells us whats on the sheet music, sits at a series of Steinways, bangs away, takes a bow and calls a masterpiece.

  50. Some of y’all being a little too hard on j.

    We know that j sees many things thru a singular, pua influenced lense, particularly when we try to discuss the opposite sex. That’s why this Field Reports section was created in the first place, so that a lot of the talk that was obviously counter-red pill could take place.

    I bust on j, but there’s no animosity. He’s doing what he believes is best at this point in his life. Our ” job ” is to consistently remind him that there’s more to life and women and relationships than pickup – for later in life.

    I’m watching, over the years, how these pua guys actually wind up over the long term, and it’s not really taking that long to see.

    J isn’t watching. He’s looking for the latest forum packed with ” new and fresh ” ideas. There aren’t any. Only what he hasn’t seen nor thought of before.

    And most of those new ideas are laughable bullshit anyway.

    Sweet dreams are made of these…..

  51. “I’ve danced with a young girl with whom I had zero rapport, but I really enjoyed listening to her voice while she chattered about inane shit. So I found her attractive and she wanted to please me and the vocal-musical connection was enough for us to enjoy each other’s company.”

    completely irrelevant….

    See, J, there was no rapport, but she felt like there was rapport because she could talk and I enjoyed listening to her and showed it by looking at her from time to time and occasionally commenting. This was the girl who asked my status and I asked where her bf was and he was out of town. 21ish. Rapport is overrated. If she saw me again, she’d probably remember me because feelz.

  52. ” When menopausal women are around a dominant man, they give off the same signals of sexual desire as young women do, despite having much lower T levels than young women, who have much lower T levels than old men.”

    You’re broad brushing and misunderstanding all at once.

    If a woman has a T level of 7 ng, and a man has a T level of 120 ng, it doesn’t much matter.

    Sorry, you are missing the point. Women’s desire isn’t mediated by T levels. I know what I’ve seen. If a man has low T, that matters, but women can have sex and want to have sex even if they have low T. Mrs. Gamer undoubtedly has low T, but she is continually pawing at me when I walk by. She’s not looking for a hug, she’s looking for my junk. Mrs. Gamer is “lit up” when I walk by. Mrs. Gamer manifests being lit up with a shit eating grin, a musical voice, dilated pupils, and narrowed eyes.

  53. “See, J, there was no rapport, but she felt like there was rapport ”

    Rapport is not required for sex. In fact you can have the opposite. What you need is some comfort, I.e. trust.

  54. “she could talk and I enjoyed listening to her and showed it by looking at her from time to time and occasionally commenting”.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Emotional%20Tampon

    I’m sure if she saw you again, she’d, with wide eyes, come sprinting toward you, “*gasp* theasdgamer!!!! omg how are you???” and you’d mistake that for “sexual attraction” lol

    “If she saw me again, she’d probably remember me because feelz.”

    I very rarely ever see the girls, I don’t close (or even close for that matter lol) again, when I’m out. Because I explore different venues, in different neighborhoods/cities often. So I operate from, a this is it. close tonight or bust.

    I also haven’t exchanged phone numbers with a girl I didn’t lay, since Ya was still posting here. In my chat group, I see all the flakey bullshit guys (legit players) deal with from girls (stunners) they number close (street, mall, park, restaurants). Some guys eventually do manage to get the girl to come out, and end up closing…but I stir away from that bullshit cause I hate texting (and I don’t have a instagram/snapchat account). I have my own process, I follow to get repeat business. And making sure I establish a good emotional connection with my target, is a key element in making that happen.

    “Rapport is not required for sex. In fact you can have the opposite. What you need is some comfort, I.e. trust.”

    +1

  55. ” Mrs. Gamer undoubtedly has low T, but she is continually pawing at me when I walk by. She’s not looking for a hug, she’s looking for my junk.”

    After menopause, it can happen that estrogen falls so low that Testosterone, what little is left, can kind of become dominant.

    Test is some extremely powerful shit man.

    It’s a falsehood that most women will lose all interest in sex after menopause. Usually they just lose interest in sex with their husbands.

    L.o.l.

  56. After menopause, it can happen that estrogen falls so low that Testosterone, what little is left, can kind of become dominant.

    I’m not seeing that. Vaginal walls would be dry.

    Again, postmenopausal women aren’t necessarily going out looking for sex. When their emotions are spiked, then they want sex. But a man has to cause those emotions to spike–otherwise, their interest is low. And spiking emotions has zero effect on a woman’s testosterone levels. These postmenopausal women don’t want just any random dick–they are still selective. They only want men who spike their emotions, just like a younger broad.

  57. “Rapport is not required for sex. In fact you can have the opposite. What you need is some comfort, I.e. trust.”

    True, but irrelevant to my convo with J.

  58. I’m sure if she saw you again, she’d, with wide eyes, come sprinting toward you, “*gasp* theasdgamer!!!! omg how are you???” and you’d mistake that for “sexual attraction” lol

    omg, a broad did that to me recently!!!! Then she suggested that we get coffee or go dancing sometime!!! I’m sure that sex wasn’t on her mind at all!!!

    Ok, let’s go back and look at the original convo…the broad wanted to know my status (very rare that an unmarried broad does that)…lets me know that her bf is out of town (so we could do a No Strings Attached ™ hookup at her place)…she just chats merrily away like she’s having the time of her life and I’m not turning her or doing any fancy shit.

  59. ASD,

    You sound like Sinatra when you call women, broads. I find it funny.

    theasdgamer: “If those clowns over at RSD don’t knock it off right quick ASD and the boys are gonna have to bust some heads. Ring-a-ding-ding!”

  60. @theasdgamer

    “the broad wanted to know my status (very rare that an unmarried broad does that)”

    hmm I’m trying to recall if a chick ever asked me if I had a girlfriend prior to me pulling her….hmmm………………………………………………………………………. still thinking…………………………………………………nope! so I wouldn’t read too much into it (some do ask me post lay tho, and I got a specific gambit for when they do. Unfortunately can’t share it here, cause I don’t want anyone stealing it haha. It’s THAT powerful).

    hmm, now that I think more about it, I think it would really depend HOW she asked. Like did she lean more toward being friendly, “are you married? ohhh awesome! Where is she?” or was she more looking around the room, then sheepishly ask, “uhm, so, like are you married?”

    “lets me know that her bf is out of town”

    so she’s DTF!!!….doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll fuck YOU tho. You still gotta make it happen. Bust a move, yo!

    “she just chats merrily away like she’s having the time of her life and I’m not turning her or doing any fancy shit”.

  61. I can’t help but to shake my head at what seems like microscopic examination of what exactly women want, the older I get the less value I see in men running in circles over this stuff. She needs confort /she needs this, etc, who the fuck cares?

    I was counseling a young guy in his 20s today who is slowly unplugging, he mentioned a young Indian girl around the office giving him eyes. I said I had seen the girl, she had also given me eyes at one point but no longer does, I expressed she was looking for Prince Charming/Romantic type guy and those types are usually clingy, no endless loops of analysis.

    I get it we want to get laid, but to me the focus should be on oneself. All this PUA analyzing sounds awfully close to negotiating desire.

    Just heard of a case of a young millennial guy being left by his wife to “meet new people” and become the “devil she used to be”, they have a young kid and the guy is an upstanding guy but too innocent. He is despondent and is mentally acting out calling for his mother, scared in his dreams, needs psychological help, etc.

  62. “I get it we want to get laid, but to me the focus should be on oneself.”

    Careful. Too much self focus you may end up like this:

    “Last night I made mad, passionate love… To a box of tissues.” – Some Comic

  63. “the broad wanted to know my status (very rare that an unmarried broad does that)”

    hmm I’m trying to recall if a chick ever asked me if I had a girlfriend prior to me pulling her

    …the broad actually said, “Are you taken?”…immediately after she asked my name…remember the 3 IOI rule…go for the kiss (or tease about a kiss) after 3 IOIs…first IOI–she wanted to dance…2nd IOI–asked my name…3rd IOI–very forwardly asking whether I was taken…implied that we could hook up no strings attached…remember to read this as cat language…

    …nope! so I wouldn’t read too much into it

    …see, it’s shit like this that causes me to doubt your authenticity because your calibration sucks worse than mine…although mine is actually pretty awesome after the fact–my only real problem is seeing IOIs and other signals in the moment…but post mortem, my calibration is 20/20 because I have high social intelligence despite my autism…

    …saw the 23 yo bimbo today when I was with Mrs. Gamer…I introduced them and the bimbo had a sour look on her face…displeased…because she had competition and Mrs. Gamer is very feminine…Mrs. Gamer maintained her poker face and didn’t even ask me how I knew the bimbo…her game is pretty good…

  64. hmm, now that I think more about it, I think it would really depend HOW she asked. Like did she lean more toward being friendly, “are you married? ohhh awesome! Where is she?” or was she more looking around the room, then sheepishly ask, “uhm, so, like are you married?”

    “lets me know that her bf is out of town”

    so she’s DTF!!!….doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll fuck YOU tho. You still gotta make it happen. Bust a move, yo!

    I posted too soon! Ok, your calibration is 20/25, which isn’t bad.

    Sure, I’d have to make it happen…the two older broads (maybe moms) were in CB mode…would have to have sneaked out to the truck for 20 min…she might have been up for a quickie…

  65. ASD,

    You sound like Sinatra when you call women, broads. I find it funny.

    I used to watch a lot of Frank’s movies…he didn’t pedestalize any women…that’s why he was such a playboy….part of the Rat Pack….

    Gamer Maxim: Pussy is just pussy.

  66. “….part of the Rat Pack….”

    Which was actually Rat Pack 2.0. Bogie was their mentor before they packed off on their own.

  67. Blaximus little known fact: as a child in the 60’s, I used to study Dean Martin to understand why I thought he was just so damn cool. He seemed to have a different kind of cool than guys I’d traditionally thought of as cool.

    I understood Frank’s cool factor immediately, but Dean was different somehow.

    But both men were great studies in ” smoothness ” in stage/film.

    Lol, and I’ll still listen to both men’s songs whenever the mood strikes. Frank’s particular style of phrasing in songs is unmatched, even by the ” imitators “.

    Growing up all guys I knew watched Bogart movies. I paid strict attention to interactions between Bogart and Becall.

    Then there’s Sean Connery, Clint Eastwood, Miles Davis, Richard Roundtree…… But the rat pack always stood out.

  68. I used to study Dean Martin to understand why I thought he was just so damn cool.

    He carried off Amused Mastery ™ before Mystery penned anything about it. Dean never needed to do cocky/funny. Dean made being a man look so damn easy. A lot like Cary Grant, only without the accent. Dean was a little more natural and zero fucks given, tho. Nothing ever fazed Dean. Funny, he pretended to be drunk all the time, tho he didn’t drink irresponsibly. (Dean would nurse the same drink for hours, using cold metal cubes instead of ice.)

    I also studied Dean for the same reason that you did.

  69. Free excess energy= charisma.

    Charisma
    noun

    1. compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others.

    Shake off stress and attaching importance to outside shit. Not putting the brakes on you. Letting your 7 year old boy self go in adulthood. Self discipline, not self suppression.

    It was a representation of a practicing Stoic, and the practice of the philosophy and psychology of that.

    Accomplished with red pill awareness and a bit of competence and confidence. Self direction via awareness of one’s self. To benefit yourself as well as others.

    Archetypal.

  70. Rat Pack…..

    Heartiste commandment: XI. Be irrationally self-confident

    No matter what your station in life, stride through the world without apology or excuse. It does not matter if objectively you are not the best man a woman can get; what matters is that you think and act like you are. Women have a dog’s instinct for uncovering weakness in men; don’t make it easy for them. Self-confidence, warranted or not, triggers submissive emotional responses in women. Irrational self-confidence will get you more pussy than rational defeatism.

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