Now that the 21 Convention, 2018, is in the history books it’s time to get back to actually exploring intersexual dynamics rather that talking about exploring them. My speech this year was about the state of the Manosphere and what we can expect from an ever expanding, ever more power-ravenous, Gynocracy in the MeToo era. It’s never been a more dangerous time to be a man who reveals the truths about intersexual dynamics than now. Even if you do so from the most objective perspective you run the risk of censure at best, personal destruction at worst.
One thing I am very thankful of the convention for is the depth and breadth of not just the speakers, but the attendees. Last year I came back with so many new concepts to explore it finished out my year of blog essays. This year the attendance was twice as big and I’ve got a wealth of new material to dig into courtesy of the stories and personal situations men would relate to me. I’ll be doing a more complete breakdown of the convention around the time the video of my talk drops on 21 University. Anthony Johnson has fast tracked this video as well as the Red Man Group Live discussions (there were 3) we did on the bonus 5th day for anyone who stuck around for it.
One of the stories I had a guy hit me with was his making me aware of the black market that’s opened up in the sale of positive pregnancy tests online. There are forums (not even on the dark web) dedicated to convincing “commitment-phobic” men that their girlfriends are pregnant in order to lock them down either in marriage or an LTR. That blackmarket (if you can call it that) also led me to investigating the phenomenon of women covering for their girlfriends’ infidelity or pretending to be an alibi in order to allay any suspicions their Beta boyfriends might have about it. This then led me to another truth about the nature of women:
The Sisterhood will always show solidarity for, provide cover for, or aid and abet a woman trying to optimize Hypergamy,…unless that woman is in direct intrasexual competition with her for the same optimization.
Right now I’m sure there are guys thinking, “Rollo, we know that women can get really brutal when it comes to competing with each other.” And yes that is true; “slut shaming” is almost entirely reserved for women’s intrasexual combat, and there are many other ways women disqualify other women from the sexual marketplace if they feel threatened by that woman’s direct competition. But women evolved to be collectivist and cooperative in our hunter/gatherer past, and this has given rise to a globalized Sisterhood wherein women buy into the narrative of their own victimhood and most understand their gynocentric position of power simultaneously. If there is a prime directive to the social order it’s that all women everywhere are entitled to the best available opportunities to optimize Hypergamy.
Women will almost universally run cover for their sisters’ infidelity, and especially so if they are anonymous and there is little risk attached to their involvement. The rationalization is always the same too; it’s men’s responsibility to “Man Up” and marry a sister and thus subterfuge is justified, or, a woman deserves a shot at hot short term sexual opportunities if that woman is paired with a Beta partner. Either scenario is consolidation of Hypergamy.
Men are never afforded the same luxury of being able to vet women or to abandon one for his own reasons. I constantly get questions from guys asking how to vet a woman for marriage, but the fact that I would be audacious enough to offer advice on this is enough to set most women off. How dare I think that any woman might not be suitable for a long term commitment? To the Sisterhood, that vetting is only ever valid when it comes from another woman, why? Because to women only women should ever have control over Hypergamy and sexual selection. And in a feminine-primary social order a man telling another man that he should pass on a woman for commitment is conflated with misogyny.
Case in point, this story is of a guy who discovers his girlfriend used to be a Sugar Baby and had sex with older men for money in her sexual past. He has plans to break it off with her, but naturally every woman and every Blue Pill simp in the thread thinks he throwing the baby out with the bathwater. This situation isn’t all that uncommon. In fact, with the rise of the internet and a permanent social media digital footprint, combined with Open Hypergamy, it’s become necessary for women to legitimize every woman’s sexual past for fear that their own might disqualify her for a man’s commitment.
So the Sisterhood will cover for infidelity, aid in fraud and deception, keep Beta men ignorant of a woman’s duplicity and support single motherhood if it means that woman can lock down an optimal ideal of Hypergamy or parental investment from a man.
In an age when a woman’s sexual past is part of her digital footprint, a new social convention is needed to absolve her from any preconditions a man may have in vetting her out of his long term investment in her. Solution: Shame men for “judging” her by that sexual history. Men must be shamed as “insecure in their masculinity” if they might ever use a woman’s Party Years against her in a court of marriage. Likewise, women will fall back on the old tropes of traditionalist sexual repression to amp up the victimhood should a man ‘have a problem’ with women’s maturing sexual natures.
A similar situation occurred with the guy in Saving the Best who discovered that his sexually unadventurous wife had some video tapes of herself in amateur porn gangbangs when she “used to be so wild back in college.” His response was Great, I married a slut who fucks me like a prude. This of course sent the Sisterhood apoplectic and he was the one who had the “problem” for committing to and marrying a woman with that kind of past. That he had no knowledge of the videos prior to it made no difference; how dare he judge a woman’s past indiscretions? And then it became and indictment of womankind rather than an indictment of a woman. Men are not allowed to have concerns about a woman’s sexual past when it comes to matters of commitment because it implies a measure of control over Hypergamy.
Long term provisioning is a very serious problem for women’s subconscious Hypergamy. As it stands today a woman’s Epiphany Phase represents the culmination of Hypergamy. It’s vitally important that a woman never be judged for her sexual past if she’s to ever ‘stick the landing’ so to speak. If she follows the Sandbergian plan of Hypergamy she can’t afford to have men judge her for prioritizing Alpha Fucks, short term breeding, in her peak sexual market value years if she’s going to lock down a (hopefully still ignorant) Beta in Waiting. She must stick the landing and cash out of the sexual marketplace just at the right moment, between the ages of 29-31.
During her Epiphany Phase a woman needs to be absolved the ‘indiscretions’ of her Party Years. I’m putting indiscretions in scare quotes because those behaviors are really part of a long term breeding and life strategy. They are anything but indiscretions, they are part of the design.
However, most men have a natural revulsion to women who’ve been with a lot of men. It’s takes a great deal of social conditioning – a lifetime of Blue Pill conditioning – to prepare a man to believe it’s his duty as a man to look past what his instinct is trying to warn him about parentally investing in a woman for whom his paternity might be in doubt. I wrote about this in the War on Paternity, but there is a part of men’s evolved mental firmware that is instinctually suspicious of the certainty of paternity. Our hindbrains want to warn us of bad prospects for a certain paternity with a woman.
You’ll notice here that a higher partner count for men is less deleterious than it is for women. I’ll address this fact in a followup to this essay, but for now let’s focus on the effects a higher N-count has for women. Our instinct, it seems, is correct when it warns us that a woman isn’t suitable for a man’s parental investment.
Women with a higher number of sexual partners have more difficulty developing solid attachments, a higher incidence of infidelity and higher rates of divorce. Primarily I see this as being due to the Alpha Widow potential (more lovers, more chance one makes a lasting Alpha impression) and the subconscious comparisons to a past lover. This is a workable theory as to why men adapted for a revulsion (or at least a hesitation) of high N-count women.
This instinctual reservation is a survival adaptation based in men’s need for certainty in paternity. Investment costs and a loss of reproductive opportunity is so high for men in a state of paired monogamy that certainty of paternity became an evolved mental subroutine for men. Men’s biological imperative is to spread seed. This is why we can become aroused on a moment’s stimulation, why we can mentally compartmentalize sex from intimacy, and why we generally err on the side of over-estimating sexual interest in women.
Long term monogamous investment in rearing a child costs a man more than just him following his biological imperative. As such, a certainty of paternity became a key element in that tradeoff for parental investment in a woman. So when women shame a man for even thinking that her sexual past might be indicative of future returns it is literally a woman’s attempt at getting a man to ignore 100,000 years of an evolution that led his ancestors to have him. You don’t just wish away 100,000 years of successful breeding adaptations because it’s impolite for a man to question a woman’s past or the convenience with which she disregards it at a time when her own sexual strategy might benefit most.
This tradeoff exists in direct oppositional conflict with women’s Hypergamy, and in the context of her very limited sexual market value (fertility) peak. Women between 29 and 31 are on the downside of their sexual marketability with respect to locking down a high value man for long term parental investment. While some women can maintain their sexual value longer than others, the decay is undeniably on the downturn with respect to her intrasexual competition and her reproductive viability. She’s gone through her best fertility years focusing most on the visceral side of the Hypergamous equation (short term Alpha seed) and / or investing herself in low ROI monogamy.
In the Epiphany Phase she (and the Sisterhood) knows she can’t afford suitable Beta provisioning men to have revelations about her sexual past affect her viability for long term security.
Hypergamy is in conflict with the male need for certainty of paternity.
As such, the Sisterhood (and its male ‘allies’) unites against any reservations, or shames men for being ‘judgmental’ of her sexual past. This is how Hypergamy fights with men’s paternity imperative. Ultimately it’s a battle of his resources (sunk cost investment) versus her capacity to optimize Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks. For more information on this conflict see The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies.
Thus, social conventions must be created to prioritize Hypergamy above Paternity. So, being a Step-Dad makes a man a “hero”. Paternity is legally defined by the mother / wife, and gynocentric legal and medical doctrines restrict doctors from revealing who the real father of a child is to the “dad”. There was a time when being an unwed mother was something society shunned. It was a time when both men and women agreed on a man’s priority of his own paternity. If a young woman became pregnant out of marriage, or if a woman slept with a soldier of an invading army, she was shunned and publicly excoriated. That’s the degree of importance the social order of the time placed on paternity. Now, the Village shames men for ever expecting a child would be his own or that he’d be justified in his concern about a woman’s past.
Now the Village conflates men’s instinctual desire to know paternity (to even put a value on it) with a social construct. It’s not that he’s naturally concerned about paternity, it’s that he learned to be concerned as part of his toxic masculinity social educations.
Finally, I should also add that part of this social convention meant to repress the paternity imperative is about absolving women of the liabilities of a promiscuous past. As I mentioned, men’s reservations inhibit women’s Hypergamous strategies. So men are shamed by women for those reservations, but they are also shamed by Beta male sympathizers (symps). This piling on with the women only aids in the deconstruction of their ow sexual imperatives, but male ‘allies’ used this shame as an extension of their Beta Game in the hopes of identifying themselves better with the feminine (as they were conditioned to). They see the identifying with women’s imperatives as a means to their own reproduction.
[…] Past Indiscretions […]
It does not help that so many men are still willing to look past such behavior or, even worse, justify it themselves. This is why I often say that men truly deserve the women they support. In some ways, this dynamic is reminiscent of ‘nice guys’ allowing themselves to be used by women in the futile hope that it will get them something in the future.
On a different note, here is a link to another post I wrote a few days ago..
Men shouldn’t care what the so called feminine order prescribes and should have no reaction to shaming. Men should screen women the same no matter the reaction, the question is, what is the best way to screen a woman in 2018?
“This instinctual reservation is a survival adaptation based in men’s need for certainty in paternity. Investment costs and a loss of reproductive opportunity is so high for men in a state of paired monogamy that certainty of paternity became an evolved mental subroutine for men.” This and the investment cost for divorce rape- crippling child support and alimony and loss of 1/2 assets makes vetting a woman for an long term relationship so critical. This was before I was red-pill’ed, but I looked for a woman that was the opposite of the one that burned me in my first marriage.… Read more »
I’ll just leave this up here : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/dear-future-husband-please-dont-judge-me-for-these-7-things/Please-dont-judge-me-for-my-choices-/photostory/61849220.cms
I’ll just leave this up here : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/dear-future-husband-please-dont-judge-me-for-these-7-things/Please-dont-judge-me-for-my-choices-/photostory/61849220.cms
Dear God. It’s a political campaign!
Here is the issue with the “mano-sphere” in this moment in time. It’s all out there and the value of this data has dropped to null. Young guys (under 30) understand these things, they have the data now. They blunder forward because there is no bonding mechanism like war or poverty to form fraternal bonds and feel few options. Women will NEVER have the capacity to seize power on their own, their power is ceded them by men. But men generally are unable to form the fraternal bonds required to grow a spine. The only ones left “exploring” the sphere… Read more »
Oh man, do I ever wish that was the case.
The chart says….
No matter what a large number of women will self report as “unhappy”…. So never stress the “unhappy”.
Reminds me of Lewis & Floorwax at Fox doing a spoof on the site Alibi , com,where a guy could purchase an alibi on line with a credit card.
The Sist6erhood will provide one for free and enforce it’s authenticity. As you say and you had better not question it or get burnt toast and broke eggs for life or a couple days anyhow.
If a woman goes to extensive lengths to hide her promiscuous past, and shames you for ever finding out or judging her past – shes not worth your time, you are her beta provider and she doesn’t really care for you. If a woman openly flaunts her past sexuality at you (that barely ever happens) – then she’s not worth your time because in her eyes you are less than a beta provider, you are a maggot. Vetting a girl these days is hard since most of them have been around the block more than once, and majority of blue… Read more »
@Sri – they are all girls. SignalToChaosRatio Young guys (under 30) understand these things, they have the data now. From what I can tell, not a lot of them. They blunder forward because there is no bonding mechanism like war or poverty to form fraternal bonds and feel few options. This is not an accident, it is a result of the relentless sabotage of men-only spaces. PS: There was a war for too many years over in various sandboxes, and too many young men Over There topped themselves because Jody came calling on their girl / wife / whatever. Spread… Read more »
Women have pretty much gained complete control in corporate America, it’s sickening what some guys will do for HB3 or HB4 pussy, it’s funny yet long term exhausting. At this point “vetting” is kinda of joke, most girls have pretty good mileage under them and have done some sick shit. It’s better just to assume it and use them and then walk away, that’s really what they want anyway. I was getting the impression of the “manosphere” peaking or having reached a peak recently. It can be pretty much boiled down to some flavor of the below : 1. Women… Read more »
The movie Trainwreck illustrates this essay perfectly. And the intervention scene, with Lebron James, where in the doctor’s friends should’ve told him to never see that sloppy mess again, illustrates the current Feminine Totalitarianism – the interventionists convince him to reverse course and go back to the ho.
A nice bit of Hollywood social engineering.
Fantastic post. Couldn’t agree more.
> “Thus, social conventions must be created to prioritize Hypergamy above Paternity. So, being a Step-Dad makes a man a “hero”.”
This underscores the importance for each man to define what success means to him. If you don’t, then someone else will define it for you.
If you let women define it for you, then you become vulnerable to shaming tactics (E.g. “you’e not a REAL man”) because women will always define “success” for men in terms of what serves their own hypergamic interests.
Great post. Wish I’d known this shit before I got married. I see another threat to Hypergamy which is of women’s own making. My 20-year old son is pretty Red Pill in the things he says about women, not because he reads this kind of material (although he’s into Jordan Peterson), but because he was witness to his mother’s behaviour throughout his childhood. She’s a good woman and he loves her, but he’s not blind to the way she deals with men in relationships, me included. His best friend is the same. Basically, my son’s lived reality is in contradiction… Read more »
I suppose what I’m suggesting is that women are creating a whole generation of men whose default setting will be Red Pill simply because they will witness Hypergamy before they are old enough to be brainwashed into being made blind to it.
Rollo, Do you really think there aren’t women out there who have genuinely indulged in the harmful side of hypergamy (indiscretion included) due to socialization and herd mentality? Wouldn’t this be the female equivalence or the blue pill beta who true socialization thinks if does all the Hollywood male lead character romantic stuff that he will be rewarded? My question isn’t to advocate that men forgive women’s past indiscretions but rather to consider that some of these indiscretions are just rooted in ignorance. As I understand your red pill intersexual dynamic. If I were a female trying to optimize for… Read more »
Its all true of course, no challenge there. But arent we just going around in circles a bit these days with the essays Rollo?
These topics have been covered in a number of essays in the past ..
@Rollo and others: does anyone have a theory to explain the oscillations in the woman’s function? I expected it to monotonically decrease as the number of partners increases. It goes down overall but it rises and falls as a wave (with a decaying envelope). Is there some psychological component to the self-reporting that they think say, odd numbers are better than even ones for whatever reason (also the self-reported numbers are not super reliable I would say). Similar information in a grid of plots I have saved in my computer: The bottom left corner doesn’t show this oscillating behavior, but… Read more »
For all those who are wondering about the chart – this is not a proper curve fit. If you try to connect every outlier using basic chart functions, you get a wavy line, essentially over-fitted. A true trend line goes right through the center of the data.
To understand, check out stocks over a 1 day, 1 week, 1 month and 5 year period. The trend becomes clear.
As someone who has gone through this system of lies that the FI has been force feeding me since birth,unplugging is painful and hard. I’m sure in my case it will take years. By now placing the data next to the action( actions speak louder than words) I know can see how I was almost used by an alpha widow, how women my age (27) change as they move towards the wall and how society, religion, whatever space you consider to be safe has the danger of the Blue Pill ready and waiting like a predator to destroy your life.… Read more »
Probably as good a time as any to throw this into the mix:
**So when women shame a man for even thinking that her sexual past might be indicative of future returns it is literally a woman’s attempt at getting a man to ignore 100,000 years of an evolution that led his ancestors to have him.**
The last two HB8’s I banged, both in their 20’s claimed to have had lesbian relationships.
I wasn’t sure how to categorize that in terms of their N-count. But I was mildly turned on.
As good a time as any to post this. The last two HB8’s I banged…both in their 20’s claimed to have had lesbian relationships.
“”So when women shame a man for even thinking that her sexual past might be indicative of future returns it is literally a woman’s attempt at getting a man to ignore 100,000 years of an evolution that led his ancestors to have him.””
I wasn’t sure where that would fit into their N-count or that chart but I was mildly turned on.
So let me get this right we are not allowed to judge a woman for her past be it slutty behaviour, drug use, debt, shit tattoos, divorce, kids to Tyrone etc etc as it may affect her ability to optimise her Hypergamy? A REAL MAN wouldn’t hold any of that against her so you must be a loser if you do! But you can be damn sure she will judge you on any number of “mate fitness metrics” and demands the right to do so. Too short = no pussy, Not hawt = no pussy Not successful = no pussy.… Read more »
It’s a really toxic environment for the western male today. The social contract between man and woman is corrupted and completely worthless for the man. He is attacked, shamed and ridiculed from all sides. The left and the feminists call him incel and toxic, the trad-cons call him man-whore and urge him to man up and marry the thots, even we in the manosphere enjoy calling other men cucks. All the insults include something the woman does to the man, she cheats on him or she punishes him by denying sex as if she is the ultimate gatekeeper of his… Read more »
Yes, Rollo might be repeating himself by now, but thats what all big artists/teachers do, they keep repeating their messages for many years, just look at Tony Robbins, etc.
@ Orson Reading your comment, I’m wondering if I understood you right because it suggests a completely different paradigm. Basic Paradigm: Men vs. Women. This is the one most guys, including myself, operate on when dealing with women, Feminism, ex-wives, parental law, etc., etc. It’s men’s interests versus women’s interests. But, if I understand you right, you’re saying that the true paradigm–as in the one that actually does the damage–is Men vs. ‘Feminist’ Men. That a woman’s actual power is limited to the power of persuasion/manipulation; that women wouldn’t actually stand a chance competing against a man unless the man… Read more »
As I understand your red pill intersexual dynamic. If I were a female trying to optimize for hypergamy I’d follow your SMV model. Be complimentary to a man, keep notch count low, exit the SMV by 29 and help the man build our kingdom. Hypergamy isn’t driven by logic and reason. Women don’t optimize it–they can get alphas for sex and betas for resources at will. Women only optimize for alphas wrt their appearance. Women used to have to work to get betas, but that was before second wave feminism and Johnson’s Great Society program and all the other apex… Read more »
@Rollo, I remember seeing a show on television years back about some dude that started a mobile paternity testing lab in a converted RV of some type. He would offer dudes paternity tests that could be done quickly and anonymously. I’m really surprised that someone in the Red Pill/Entrepreneur community hasn’t seen this as a gold mine of opportunity. I could see franchises nationwide so dudes would know the truth without having to go through some nameless global corporations that they don’t trust. P.S. love ya, man, so don’t get mad at me, but can you hit your introductory clauses… Read more »
@ex-cartoonist Yes.Correct! It’s a voluntary act on behalf of men to cede power to the feminine. I don’t know any female “hero” who died fighting for feminism. I would also add that there is no noble or innocent motive behind this! It is part of what Rollo calls “beta game” even though I have seen also blue pilled Alphas become White Knights for lame causes like #metoo. I think those men think they have some reproductive advantage towards other men (patriarchal men in the past, red pillers today) by identifying with a female cause. Mix this with the protective/sacrificial male… Read more »
Men ceding power. Now where have I heard this before?
Good Morning, There’s a lot of concern about the changing intersexual landscape, the disadvantages men have. I don’t deny the present state, though men have always assumed a burden of performance relative to their capability. The present SMP imbalance is a placeholder for the culture extracting as much human potential from it’s members. Affiliation through war was mentioned above. Consider the expectation of men in combat, past and present. Where men were potential fodder on the battle field, and relatively so few men are now involved in the military, the burden shifts from existential war to existential SMP. The SMP… Read more »
” It’s never been a more dangerous time to be a man who reveals the truths about intersexual dynamics than now.” 21 con was a fresh place for this… “This is why we can become aroused on a moment’s stimulation, why we can mentally compartmentalize sex from intimacy, and why we generally err on the side of over-estimating sexual interest in women.” Just being masculine is a great place to dwell in while solving the worlds problems. “This piling on with the women only aids in the deconstruction of their ow sexual imperatives, but male ‘allies’ used this shame as… Read more »
Those of us who don’t live on the coasts maybe aren’t seeing exploding homelessness, but maybe those of us who do live on the coasts (cough…Blax…cough) are seeing it. This looks like it was written by some competent folks.
I’m sure that somehow the MSM will find a way to blame this on Trumpian “fascism”.
I’ve seen the Sisterhood take precedence over blood. Many times. Lots of Mommas using the arrival of a girlfriend on scene to keep sons tamed and reined in. They side with the woman, collude with her, enlist their Mom friends into the effort, pressure the son to “do the right thing”, etc.
This despite the fact that these same girlfriends are poised, with Moms help, to become competitors in the contest of local-man control.
Its on the internet so not sure how it holds about but many accounts and comments share some interesting insight.
Great post Rollo. Carl’s latest post at Black Label Logic ties in very well with this.
Good post, Rollo. And much needed. Gentlemen, when you get all the way down to it, your pointed questions about her past, your discoveries, and your conclusions about her past, are all threatening to her. This is about power, and her ability to use power to get you to do what she wants. They threaten her ability to consolidate at epiphany time. They threaten her ability to use you. If you know the truth about her and her past, she can’t use you as easily. Your knowledge of her past vastly reduces her power. One of the main reasons women… Read more »
This is so on point. If I had known the complete truth about my Ex’s past, I never would have married her.
There was a clear history of lies and betrayal, and I didn’t see all of it.
The site ate my comment. Oh well.
After taking Red Pill many men have to grieve twice. First when they realize that AWALT, and second time when they fully realize that they are not that kind of men hypergamy would choose for. In short to acknowledge that “I am not sexually attractive for the kind of women I would like to be” is sometimes traumatic and painful.
Men ceding power…representative govt….clubs…organizations…political parties…lots of good reasons for men to cede power…but the problem with white-knighting isn’t really men that it’s men ceding power, but that it’s men working against the interests of men generally
…but Blax doesn’t cede power to other men ever…he doesn’t pay his taxes, give money to his church, pay his bills, join clubs, do work for charities, work for an employer, etc.
oopsie daisy…”isn’t really that it’s men”…left an extra “men” in when editing
<iAfter taking Red Pill many men have to grieve twice. First when they realize that AWALT, and second time when they fully realize that they are not that kind of men hypergamy would choose for
Actually, men grieve first for their blue pill idea about women being virtuous, then they grieve over their sunk costs in women, then they grieve that they have to get off their lazy asses and improve themselves.
…. You know very little about what I do and don’t do because it’s more fun for you to form your own narratives.
But, I haven’t believed in ” church ” and organized religion since I was 16, so ni, churches get no cash.😁
Blax must be looking for that pickup again…the Dodge
Shut up Karen. Men are having rational conversation here. Zip it.
If a women is upset with the male
Women and a Tribe and a sense of peace “right to be forgotten” EU law and Women’s History
Protection in Politics and Religion
Shut up Karen. Men are having rational conversation here. Zip it.
“Reason is a lie; for there is a factor infinite & unknown; & all their words are skew-wise.”
___LIber Legis / Chapter 2 / Verse 32
Faith in reality and betrayal in action’s
https://bit.ly/2qaE7la Parent’s and Society
Culture and Time
https://bit.ly/2D1gqUR Male leadership from a blue pill experience to a red pill reality without being distraught and mean spirited about the climate and concerns of anyone outside the tribe.
Partners in pair bonding and Age in romance and belief. (2017)
48 hr pair bonding stage after intercourse (2017)
The evolution of monogamy in response to partner scarcity (2016)
Ryan Schachta and Adrian V.
“But there is still swill in the trough!”
Question: What’s worse, guys swilling in a trough, or a women wasting five lengthy, stilted paragraphs critiquing the swillers?
Answer: The latter is worse “because” she just wasted all that time on exquisite prose that nobody cares about other than Father Time.
” ….. nobody cares about other than Father Time.”
Father Time doesn’t “care”, it only teaches and its lessons are very harsh. Karen and other Daughters of Satan are learning the lesson now, they have hit the WALL, their beauty disintegrated, they hate themselves when they look in the mirror, and they blame the MAN for everything, use manipulation to destroy everything he has created. Their philosophy is equality (psst !) and the name of their bastard religion is Feminism.
Every whore is “strong and independent” …… until the money runs out.
Stop feeding the trollbot. It’s an NPC.
Rather than repeating himself, Rollo’s post builds nicely upon Saving the Best — one of the all-time best episodes of TRM and worth a trip to the archives if you missed it.
Some useful comments on that chart, with that bulging divergence at 6-10 Partners.
Romantic comedies meanwhile continue to show the emotionally messed-up gal-with-a-past being saved by the good-guy white-knight beta — handsome and charming though he may be, he’s still asking for big trouble after the movie ends and the lights have come up
@incubus, Anonymous Reader is right, we should ignore KareNPC.
“The Sisterhood will always show solidarity for, provide cover for, or aid and abet a woman trying to optimize Hypergamy,…unless that woman is in direct intrasexual competition with her for the same optimization.”
Several years ago my oldest cousin´s wife cheated on him. I remeber that when I and my family were discussing about it, my sister defended my cousin´s wife and also said that we should forgive her indiscretion, I wast like WTF???????
Roboto my sister defended my cousin´s wife and also said that we should forgive her indiscretion, I wast like WTF??????? The science term for “team woman” is “ingroup preference”. A small study done a few years back showed this preference at 4:1. That is outside a couple, women will give preference to other women vs. men by a margin of 4 to 1. This has a lot of implications for business settings such as HR but also extended family situations. Evo-psych explains this via exogamy: women who leave their clan to pairbond with a man in another branch of the… Read more »
odds of being able to alpha widow a girl with a 30+ n have never been better than in 2018 18 yo can rack up 20 partners in first semester and not remember any of it. literally no impression made. no orgasms. no anal fuck fests. just drunk in the dark dorm room fumbling whiskey dick condom “sex” so as long as she’s not taking loads bareback (some do for sure, most dont), don’t let pure n count stat fuck up your approach there are solid ways to test her experience. you’ll never know the “truth”, but you can determine… Read more »
my sister defended my cousin´s wife and also said that we should forgive her indiscretion, I wast like WTF???????
Maybe your sister had also had her own indiscretion….
In my area, the new home inventory is empty. And earlier I posted about homelessness among employed people living on the coasts because housing is unaffordable. Somebody is Making Shit Up ™. Wonder why?
Asd, you will never know the facts nor will the reporters,untill you have lived as a homeless man with a full time job.
It could be that one would congregate where the climate agrees with sleeping outdoors,and the locals are generous.
Roboto: Thanks. Relationships at bottom are about power. The current feminist/gynocentric/feminine imperative world is about maximizing women’s power and minimizing men’s power. This has been done through a myriad of ways and in every institution in society. The goal is not to equalize men and women; the goal is for women to take, keep, consolidate, and maximize as much individual and collective power as possible. The goal is for women to get what they want through having men create it, make it, build it, steal it or share it, and then hand it over to women by choice if possible;… Read more »
Where the hell were you 30 years ago? lol Before my Ex and I got married, I asked to see a copy of her pre ious divorce decree. Never got to see it before we got married, and wasn’t until recently that I found out why… She had been married to her first husband for a total of 5 months, and when she filed for divorce, had tried to get the court to award to her, HIS family home. She was trying to steal the home his parents had allowed them to live in. If I had been aware of… Read more »
Let us now praise famous fried ice. We will take as given today’s evangel, as augmented by anonymous and sentient exegesis with a side of deti. Seems to me there are other social forces promoted by many of the same white knights/bots/NPC’s which could well end up pissing in the succulent Open Hypergamy, it’s-your-duty-to-man-up -with -those-party-girls soup. Such as: Marriage rates plummeting amongst the greater population. The divorce rate is down, we are told, but only because fewer are marrying at all. Those who do are UMC and they tend to be more stable because more forethought went into them,… Read more »
I think up to 40% of all births now are to unmarried womenfolk and the betas who love them.
…and we should be happy that births are occurring at all, since our birth rate is nowhere near the replacement rate…
…implications for the FI aren’t good…maybe we have reached an evolutionary dead end…the FI and WKs have created the dead end…
the answer to #metoo is #wgaf
You would think that the birth rate being below the replacement rate would raise some eyebrows and some people in the manosphere would be commenting on it.
Community and Culture https://old.reddit.com/r/meToo/ Optism and conflict while staying in reality. thedeti “The goal is for women to get what they want through having men create it, make it, build it, steal it or share it, and then hand it over to women by choice if possible; by force if necessary. And the only way women can really do this is by women getting the most powerful men enforce this on the rest of men.” I’ve found this a lot in religion and how Sex is expected and experienced in pair bonding family’s in faith. When Dickens wrote Oliver twist… Read more »
If I had been aware of that nugget, I would have walked away.
Fnu Mnu LnU
Well you were aware she wouldn’t show it to you, before you got married…
This is the kind of Red Flag that “vetting” is meant for…
Not her fault. Don’t hate the playa hate the game?
I know it is my fault. I should have been paying more attention.
The Sisterhood will always show solidarity for, provide cover for, or aid and abet a woman trying to optimize Hypergamy,…unless that woman is in direct intrasexual competition with her for the same optimization. From Greene’s The Laws of Human Nature: . . . look at our tribal tendencies and how they have now found the perfect medium to operate in—we can find a group to identify with, reinforce our tribal opinions in a virtual echo chamber, and demonize any outsiders, leading to mob intimidation. The potential for mayhem stemming from the primitive side of our nature has only increased. Social… Read more »
How does a woman just not answer a question a man poses to her?
” I’d like to see your divorce decree ”
Woman – non compliance for whatever reason.
Red Flag according to Vetting.
Yeah. I was blinded by the great and frequent sex. Should have been a clue.
@ thedeti I don’t deny the system is rigged against men. IMO, a man’s life isn’t a zero-sum-game war zone. Women en masse aren’t to blame. Men aren’t to blame. It’s vainly bitter intimating so, futile and distracts men from being better. I’d be more productive and entertaining shaking my fists at the sky. The world is fucked up as people, men and women, are inherently fucked up, are and always will be. But the one guy on his own, hanging out uncynically here at TRM, for example, can fashion a legit DPA life moving forward. Much of the plan… Read more »
Yeah. I was blinded by the great and frequent sex. Should have been a clue.
Rhetorical question: how long did the great and frequent sex last after you put a ring on it?
15 years or so. Took another 14 years before things went south.
“Past indiscretions”. Yeah. “Youthful indiscretion”. “Mistake”.
“Choices I made and am responsible for.”
“Things I did.”
“I’m owning my shit on these choices.”
“My husband is making me own my shit on my past choices.”
@ Karen While it may be true that women have power in courts and perhaps let’s include the Universities too on that list and all the other places. The reason they have this illusion of power is because a few men in powerful positions were conned into giving up power for masculinity as a whole in official capacities like the courts you mention. The power that you think women have is only momentary. If men decided to take power from those few idiot men at the top and men decided that women have no power it is how it will… Read more »
Apparently Karen’s only purpose in life is to be Queen of the cock carousel! What about children?
@ ASDGamer What’s an ASD Gamer anyway? “Hypergamy isn’t driven by logic and reason. Women don’t optimize it–they can get alphas for sex and betas for resources at will. Women only optimize for alphas wrt their appearance. Women used to have to work to get betas, but that was before second wave feminism and Johnson’s Great Society program and all the other apex alpha giveaways.” Back to the topic. Yes, naturally it’s true that hypergamy isn’t driven by logic. Still that is like saying that men cannot understand their natural alpha or blue ways (conditioning) and how it affects their… Read more »
Yes, naturally it’s true that hypergamy isn’t driven by logic. Still that is like saying that men cannot understand their natural alpha or blue ways (conditioning) and how it affects their lives and try to tweak it.
Yep, they really can’t…if they understood their sexuality, it would interfere with their sexual options…so when women try to understand, they get short-circuited. We men can understand it, but women really cannot accept their own nature. ASD flares up and blows a fuze.
Women can tweak their hypergamy to pursue betas…betas don’t cause ASD to flare up.
In addition to implied control over hypergamy, holding women accountable for their past actions, also flies directly in the face of Feminist attempts to offload the negative consequences of female choices on to men.
Now this is my kind of cartoon.
The pic for this post is highly appropriate What is she attached to other than a figurative globule mass of her psychological spiritual abortions mixed with the residual memory secretions of so many glands she entertained in her past? She is hauling around all those “indiscretions” mixed with the memory cum of so many men who “came” before her current suitors. She is a walking spermtoon. Like the spittoons of 19th century salons and brothels, everyone knows what they are for. What man in his right mind would embrace such a grotesque nasty muck? It would be like sitting down… Read more »
I always thought Pussyblind – replete with SS lightning s’s – would be a great hair metal band name. But most would miss the irony.
Rollo, grab that V bass and you guys can 🎸 at next years 21 con….
@ Orson “Apparently Karen’s only purpose in life is to be Queen of the cock carousel! What about children?” Is this comment about you trying to shame her or you actually believing that she couldn’t possibly enjoy a life outside of traditional marriage. A lot of the stuff I read in this group seem to come from a place of ingroup preference as a poster above said. I mean you live in a time period when women are not bound by past social contract or at least get away by not abiding by them and you really think some woman… Read more »
@NBTM I’m tired of reading this “She is hauling around all those “indiscretions” mixed with the memory cum of so many men who “came” before her current suitors. She is a walking spermtoon. Like the spittoons of 19th century salons and brothels, everyone knows what they are for.” and its versions thrown around by the likes of Donovan Sharpe. Can you please provide any medical science citation that concurs with this claim. By the logic of this claim it would also mean that since men can catch STD from women that men sleeping with so many women should alter their… Read more »
Most everything in the manosphere is written from the perspective of how to get out of a bad situation, how to not get screwed, how to cope with and recover from being a victim. It is mostly about exposing and understanding how to compensate for or manage being taken advantage of by women and the culture. It is a victim mentality. More needs to be considered about how to screw the shit out of women and reverse the culture, how to take advantage of the current social dynamic and benefit from it, manipulate it to the advantage of men. Become… Read more »
@Jafyk: duckduckgo.com is an excellent search engine. To get you started:
“Use them or get used by them. This is the reality of life. Lie to them, but do it wisely and with judicial cunning. All humans are liars. Even the idea that any one human or any group is or are not a liar is itself a lie employed to deceive and manipulate. Learn the game. The human animal game is not like the game of other animals. It is not so much a game played with teeth, claws and muscle as it is a game played with deceit, cunning, charm, bluff and trickery. Accept this. Learn to get good… Read more »
Women evolved to be used by men. This is their innate constitution. In reality they are each and all willfully engaged in servitude no matter how pathetic the claims and demonstrations of some are against this reality. Just look at the reality of how they present themselves and how they behave, how they preform. Some intend to be and are good mothers and wives providing servitude for the human family. Some make excellent sex objects as they are blatantly willing to wantonly fuck various men both on and off camera for money or not. Others preform suitable services in other… Read more »
For all those who are wondering about the chart – this is not a proper curve fit.
Who cares? It’s close enough.
Take it up with the Atlantic writer if it’s that annoying.
Poor Orson shames Karen and other women like he
Do. Not. Feed. The. TrollBot.
Sigh. I may have to get a Twitter account just to tell Rollo that a recurring problem is back.
That thread at lookism about the Wall just proves how retarded the site is.
HINT: Menopause has a lot of effects on women. A whole lot.
HINT: “Some” and “all” are not synonyms.
Pussyblind? Is that like cunt-struck?
“Menopause has a lot of effects on women”
Ya…but not until they reach 55-60 years of age (which is what the poster said is the Real Wall). Not @ age 30-35….the age, which the manosphere suggest women’s looks go to complete shit….
but…..I don’t give a shit tbh….lol
” but…..I don’t give a shit tbh….lol”
Whew!! That’s good because the posters on that site are fucking clueless.
“Menopause has a lot of effects on women” There’s perhaps 2 walls. The 30ish one where the sloot thinks settling down might be her best option (for the time being, of course – until she’s no longer “happy”). The 47ish biological menopause wall might well be another – they change physical and in my opinion they go insane. Like their purpose for living (no more eggs) has passed them and they are hanging on in quiet desperation waiting for death or mucking around in the garden. Having seen/experienced the later wall, I’d rather be alone (or fucking some 19yo ho)… Read more »
Ya…but not until they reach 55-60 years of age (which is what the poster said is the Real Wall).
Menopause can begin as early as 50.
Premenopause or perimenopause begins in the late 40’s.
So, no. Not even. Yeah, a few MILF’s retain some degree of attractiveness into their 40’s.
Some. Not all. Some.
Not @ age 30-35….the age, which the manosphere suggest women’s looks go to complete shit….
Are you really this ignorant?
It’s that dumb assed site he reads. It’s retarding him.
"Like their purpose for living (no more eggs) has passed them and they are hanging on in quiet desperation waiting for death or mucking around in the garden."
haha just like our good friend, Karen!
Mate, let me reiterate. I do not give a fuck…lmao. I'll let the poor blue pilled schmucks deal with that shit
I don’t feel like looking it up to see what ” research ” has to say on the subject, but from what I’ve observed over the years, If a woman is fit before and after childbirth ( doesn’t become a landwhale ), they usually retain their looks for a pretty good while ( …not talking about single moms either ). 30-35 might be a wall for some, but not all. Not by a long shot – but I can’t speak for low population areas, so there’s that. Pushing the notion that chicks just implode after 29 is asinine. A 20… Read more »