Past Indiscretions

past_indiscretions

Now that the 21 Convention, 2018, is in the history books it’s time to get back to actually exploring intersexual dynamics rather that talking about exploring them. My speech this year was about the state of the Manosphere and what we can expect from an ever expanding, ever more power-ravenous, Gynocracy in the MeToo era. It’s never been a more dangerous time to be a man who reveals the truths about intersexual dynamics than now. Even if you do so from the most objective perspective you run the risk of censure at best, personal destruction at worst.

One thing I am very thankful of the convention for is the depth and breadth of not just the speakers, but the attendees. Last year I came back with so many new concepts to explore it finished out my year of blog essays. This year the attendance was twice as big and I’ve got a wealth of new material to dig into courtesy of the stories and personal situations men would relate to me. I’ll be doing a more complete breakdown of the convention around the time the video of my talk drops on 21 University. Anthony Johnson has fast tracked this video as well as the Red Man Group Live discussions (there were 3) we did on the bonus 5th day for anyone who stuck around for it.

One of the stories I had a guy hit me with was his making me aware of the black market that’s opened up in the sale of positive pregnancy tests online. There are forums (not even on the dark web) dedicated to convincing “commitment-phobic” men that their girlfriends are pregnant in order to lock them down either in marriage or an LTR. That blackmarket (if you can call it that) also led me to investigating the phenomenon of women covering for their girlfriends’ infidelity or pretending to be an alibi in order to allay any suspicions their Beta boyfriends might have about it. This then led me to another truth about the nature of women:

The Sisterhood will always show solidarity for, provide cover for, or aid and abet a woman trying to optimize Hypergamy,…unless that woman is in direct intrasexual competition with her for the same optimization.

Right now I’m sure there are guys thinking, “Rollo, we know that women can get really brutal when it comes to competing with each other.” And yes that is true; “slut shaming” is almost entirely reserved for women’s intrasexual combat, and there are many other ways women disqualify other women from the sexual marketplace if they feel threatened by that woman’s direct competition. But women evolved to be collectivist and cooperative in our hunter/gatherer past, and this has given rise to a globalized Sisterhood wherein women buy into the narrative of their own victimhood and most understand their gynocentric position of power simultaneously. If there is a prime directive to the social order it’s that all women everywhere are entitled to the best available opportunities to optimize Hypergamy.

Women will almost universally run cover for their sisters’ infidelity, and especially so if they are anonymous and there is little risk attached to their involvement. The rationalization is always the same too; it’s men’s responsibility to “Man Up” and marry a sister and thus subterfuge is justified, or, a woman deserves a shot at hot short term sexual opportunities if that woman is paired with a Beta partner. Either scenario is consolidation of Hypergamy.

Men are never afforded the same luxury of being able to vet women or to abandon one for his own reasons. I constantly get questions from guys asking how to vet a woman for marriage, but the fact that I would be audacious enough to offer advice on this is enough to set most women off. How dare I think that any woman might not be suitable for a long term commitment? To the Sisterhood, that vetting is only ever valid when it comes from another woman, why? Because to women only women should ever have control over Hypergamy and sexual selection. And in a feminine-primary social order a man telling another man that he should pass on a woman for commitment is conflated with misogyny.

Case in point, this story is of a guy who discovers his girlfriend used to be a Sugar Baby and had sex with older men for money in her sexual past. He has plans to break it off with her, but naturally every woman and every Blue Pill simp in the thread thinks he throwing the baby out with the bathwater. This situation isn’t all that uncommon. In fact, with the rise of the internet and a permanent social media digital footprint, combined with Open Hypergamy, it’s become necessary for women to legitimize every woman’s sexual past for fear that their own might disqualify her for a man’s commitment.

So the Sisterhood will cover for infidelity, aid in fraud and deception, keep Beta men ignorant of a woman’s duplicity and support single motherhood if it means that woman can lock down an optimal ideal of Hypergamy or parental investment from a man.

In an age when a woman’s sexual past is part of her digital footprint, a new social convention is needed to absolve her from any preconditions a man may have in vetting her out of his long term investment in her. Solution: Shame men for “judging” her by that sexual history. Men must be shamed as “insecure in their masculinity” if they might ever use a woman’s Party Years against her in a court of marriage. Likewise, women will fall back on the old tropes of traditionalist sexual repression to amp up the victimhood should a man ‘have a problem’ with women’s maturing sexual natures.

A similar situation occurred with the guy in Saving the Best who discovered that his sexually unadventurous wife had some video tapes of herself in amateur porn gangbangs when she “used to be so wild back in college.” His response was Great, I married a slut who fucks me like a prude. This of course sent the Sisterhood apoplectic and he was the one who had the “problem” for committing to and marrying a woman with that kind of past. That he had no knowledge of the videos prior to it made no difference; how dare he judge a woman’s past indiscretions? And then it became and indictment of womankind rather than an indictment of a woman. Men are not allowed to have concerns about a woman’s sexual past when it comes to matters of commitment because it implies a measure of control over Hypergamy.

Long term provisioning is a very serious problem for women’s subconscious Hypergamy. As it stands today a woman’s Epiphany Phase represents the culmination of Hypergamy. It’s vitally important that a woman never be judged for her sexual past if she’s to ever ‘stick the landing’ so to speak. If she follows the Sandbergian plan of Hypergamy she can’t afford to have men judge her for prioritizing Alpha Fucks, short term breeding, in her peak sexual market value years if she’s going to lock down a (hopefully still ignorant) Beta in Waiting. She must stick the landing and cash out of the sexual marketplace just at the right moment, between the ages of 29-31.

During her Epiphany Phase a woman needs to be absolved the ‘indiscretions’ of her Party Years. I’m putting indiscretions in scare quotes because those behaviors are really part of a long term breeding and life strategy. They are anything but indiscretions, they are part of the design.

However, most men have a natural revulsion to women who’ve been with a lot of men. It’s takes a great deal of social conditioning – a lifetime of Blue Pill conditioning – to prepare a man to believe it’s his duty as a man to look past what his instinct is trying to warn him about parentally investing in a woman for whom his paternity might be in doubt. I wrote about this in the War on Paternity, but there is a part of men’s evolved mental firmware that is instinctually suspicious of the certainty of paternity. Our hindbrains want to warn us of bad prospects for a certain paternity with a woman.

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You’ll notice here that a higher partner count for men is less deleterious than it is for women. I’ll address this fact in a followup to this essay, but for now let’s focus on the effects a higher N-count has for women. Our instinct, it seems, is correct when it warns us that a woman isn’t suitable for a man’s parental investment.

Women with a higher number of sexual partners have more difficulty developing solid attachments, a higher incidence of infidelity and higher rates of divorce. Primarily I see this as being due to the Alpha Widow potential (more lovers, more chance one makes a lasting Alpha impression) and the subconscious comparisons to a past lover. This is a workable theory as to why men adapted for a revulsion (or at least a hesitation) of high N-count women.

This instinctual reservation is a survival adaptation based in men’s need for certainty in paternity. Investment costs and a loss of reproductive opportunity is so high for men in a state of paired monogamy that certainty of paternity became an evolved mental subroutine for men. Men’s biological imperative is to spread seed. This is why we can become aroused on a moment’s stimulation, why we can mentally compartmentalize sex from intimacy, and why we generally err on the side of over-estimating sexual interest in women.

Long term monogamous investment in rearing a child costs a man more than just him following his biological imperative. As such, a certainty of paternity became a key element in that tradeoff for parental investment in a woman. So when women shame a man for even thinking that her sexual past might be indicative of future returns it is literally a woman’s attempt at getting a man to ignore 100,000 years of an evolution that led his ancestors to have him. You don’t just wish away 100,000 years of successful breeding adaptations because it’s impolite for a man to question a woman’s past or the convenience with which she disregards it at a time when her own sexual strategy might benefit most.

This tradeoff exists in direct oppositional conflict with women’s Hypergamy, and in the context of her very limited sexual market value (fertility) peak. Women between 29 and 31 are on the downside of their sexual marketability with respect to locking down a high value man for long term parental investment. While some women can maintain their sexual value longer than others, the decay is undeniably on the downturn with respect to her intrasexual competition and her reproductive viability. She’s gone through her best fertility years focusing most on the visceral side of the Hypergamous equation (short term Alpha seed) and / or investing herself in low ROI monogamy.

In the Epiphany Phase she (and the Sisterhood) knows she can’t afford suitable Beta provisioning men to have revelations about her sexual past affect her viability for long term security.

Hypergamy is in conflict with the male need for certainty of paternity.

As such, the Sisterhood (and its male ‘allies’) unites against any reservations, or shames men for being ‘judgmental’ of her sexual past. This is how Hypergamy fights with men’s paternity imperative. Ultimately it’s a battle of his resources (sunk cost investment) versus her capacity to optimize Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks. For more information on this conflict see The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies.

Thus, social conventions must be created to prioritize Hypergamy above Paternity. So, being a Step-Dad makes a man a “hero”. Paternity is legally defined by the mother / wife, and gynocentric legal and medical doctrines restrict doctors from revealing who the real father of a child is to the “dad”. There was a time when being an unwed mother was something society shunned. It was a time when both men and women agreed on a man’s priority of his own paternity. If a young woman became pregnant out of marriage, or if a woman slept with a soldier of an invading army, she was shunned and publicly excoriated. That’s the degree of importance the social order of the time placed on paternity. Now, the Village shames men for ever expecting a child would be his own or that he’d be justified in his concern about a woman’s past.

Now the Village conflates men’s instinctual desire to know paternity (to even put a value on it) with a social construct. It’s not that he’s naturally concerned about paternity, it’s that he learned to be concerned as part of his toxic masculinity social educations.

Finally, I should also add that part of this social convention meant to repress the paternity imperative is about absolving women of the liabilities of a promiscuous past. As I mentioned, men’s reservations inhibit women’s Hypergamous strategies. So men are shamed by women for those reservations, but they are also shamed by Beta male sympathizers (symps). This piling on with the women only aids in the deconstruction of their ow sexual imperatives, but male ‘allies’ used this shame as an extension of their Beta Game in the hopes of identifying themselves better with the feminine (as they were conditioned to). They see the identifying with women’s imperatives as a means to their own reproduction.

371 comments

  1. It does not help that so many men are still willing to look past such behavior or, even worse, justify it themselves. This is why I often say that men truly deserve the women they support. In some ways, this dynamic is reminiscent of ‘nice guys’ allowing themselves to be used by women in the futile hope that it will get them something in the future.

    On a different note, here is a link to another post I wrote a few days ago..

    https://dissention.wordpress.com/2018/10/21/why-escorts-are-always-a-better-deal-than-relationships-or-marriage-3/

  2. Men shouldn’t care what the so called feminine order prescribes and should have no reaction to shaming. Men should screen women the same no matter the reaction, the question is, what is the best way to screen a woman in 2018?

  3. “This instinctual reservation is a survival adaptation based in men’s need for certainty in paternity. Investment costs and a loss of reproductive opportunity is so high for men in a state of paired monogamy that certainty of paternity became an evolved mental subroutine for men.”

    This and the investment cost for divorce rape- crippling child support and alimony and loss of 1/2 assets makes vetting a woman for an long term relationship so critical.

    This was before I was red-pill’ed, but I looked for a woman that was the opposite of the one that burned me in my first marriage. I wanted cash-flow, education, semi-independent, lean, and submissive.

  4. Here is the issue with the “mano-sphere” in this moment in time. It’s all out there and the value of this data has dropped to null.

    Young guys (under 30) understand these things, they have the data now. They blunder forward because there is no bonding mechanism like war or poverty to form fraternal bonds and feel few options.

    Women will NEVER have the capacity to seize power on their own, their power is ceded them by men. But men generally are unable to form the fraternal bonds required to grow a spine.

    The only ones left “exploring” the sphere are reforming betas and the numbers are dwindling. All thats left is guys trying to sell style guides and some late term abortion I saw on YouTube last night named “Barron” trying to sell some charisma program.

    Get your game tight, 30 or 40 extra pounds doesn’t make you a slob it makes you APPROACHABLE.

  5. The chart says….

    No matter what a large number of women will self report as “unhappy”…. So never stress the “unhappy”.

  6. Reminds me of Lewis & Floorwax at Fox doing a spoof on the site Alibi , com,where a guy could purchase an alibi on line with a credit card.

    The Sist6erhood will provide one for free and enforce it’s authenticity. As you say and you had better not question it or get burnt toast and broke eggs for life or a couple days anyhow.

  7. If a woman goes to extensive lengths to hide her promiscuous past, and shames you for ever finding out or judging her past – shes not worth your time, you are her beta provider and she doesn’t really care for you.
    If a woman openly flaunts her past sexuality at you (that barely ever happens) – then she’s not worth your time because in her eyes you are less than a beta provider, you are a maggot.

    Vetting a girl these days is hard since most of them have been around the block more than once, and majority of blue pill men want to completely disregard that past until it undeniably stares them in the face. Problem arises from both sides – women play their game and use a man either for alpha fux or beta bux, and blue pill men who want to completely idolize their precious girlfriend who would never want to fuck anyone but them.

    While not much can be done about the female part of the problem, a man must know and accept that the woman he is seeing is just like every other (she’s either wild and free or in search of a husband), and must identify where he stands in her eyes. He must be ready to end it should his desires not match what the woman provides at any point. That alone will provide a much happier life for a man. Best case – he gets loads of attention and love from many women, okay case – he winds up in a healthy and happy marriage.

  8. @Sri – they are all girls.

    SignalToChaosRatio
    Young guys (under 30) understand these things, they have the data now.

    From what I can tell, not a lot of them.

    They blunder forward because there is no bonding mechanism like war or poverty to form fraternal bonds and feel few options.

    This is not an accident, it is a result of the relentless sabotage of men-only spaces.

    PS: There was a war for too many years over in various sandboxes, and too many young men Over There topped themselves because Jody came calling on their girl / wife / whatever.

    Spread the word. Give some other man a copy of Rollo’s book.

    Sentient
    No matter what a large number of women will self report as “unhappy”…. So never stress the “unhappy”.

    +1

  9. Women have pretty much gained complete control in corporate America, it’s sickening what some guys will do for HB3 or HB4 pussy, it’s funny yet long term exhausting. At this point “vetting” is kinda of joke, most girls have pretty good mileage under them and have done some sick shit. It’s better just to assume it and use them and then walk away, that’s really what they want anyway.

    I was getting the impression of the “manosphere” peaking or having reached a peak recently. It can be pretty much boiled down to some flavor of the below :

    1. Women have their own intersexual agenda
    2. Lift Weights/Exercise
    3. Don’t jack off/watch porn
    4. Don’t get married
    5. etc.

  10. The movie Trainwreck illustrates this essay perfectly. And the intervention scene, with Lebron James, where in the doctor’s friends should’ve told him to never see that sloppy mess again, illustrates the current Feminine Totalitarianism – the interventionists convince him to reverse course and go back to the ho.

    A nice bit of Hollywood social engineering.

  11. Fantastic post. Couldn’t agree more.

    > “Thus, social conventions must be created to prioritize Hypergamy above Paternity. So, being a Step-Dad makes a man a “hero”.”

    This underscores the importance for each man to define what success means to him. If you don’t, then someone else will define it for you.

    If you let women define it for you, then you become vulnerable to shaming tactics (E.g. “you’e not a REAL man”) because women will always define “success” for men in terms of what serves their own hypergamic interests.

  12. Great post. Wish I’d known this shit before I got married.

    I see another threat to Hypergamy which is of women’s own making. My 20-year old son is pretty Red Pill in the things he says about women, not because he reads this kind of material (although he’s into Jordan Peterson), but because he was witness to his mother’s behaviour throughout his childhood. She’s a good woman and he loves her, but he’s not blind to the way she deals with men in relationships, me included. His best friend is the same.

    Basically, my son’s lived reality is in contradiction to the feminist message and he just doesn’t believe it the way I did when I was his age.

  13. I suppose what I’m suggesting is that women are creating a whole generation of men whose default setting will be Red Pill simply because they will witness Hypergamy before they are old enough to be brainwashed into being made blind to it.

  14. Rollo,
    Do you really think there aren’t women out there who have genuinely indulged in the harmful side of hypergamy (indiscretion included) due to socialization and herd mentality?
    Wouldn’t this be the female equivalence or the blue pill beta who true socialization thinks if does all the Hollywood male lead character romantic stuff that he will be rewarded?

    My question isn’t to advocate that men forgive women’s past indiscretions but rather to consider that some of these indiscretions are just rooted in ignorance.

    As I understand your red pill intersexual dynamic. If I were a female trying to optimize for hypergamy I’d follow your SMV model. Be complimentary to a man, keep notch count low, exit the SMV by 29 and help the man build our kingdom.

    Realistically, isn’t this a chicken and egg situation or the same vicious cycle where one influences the other. With Alpha guys trying to bang as much with no commitment (not blaming here just stating) won’t many (ignorant/socialized) women have to go through a lot of high count (since the # 1 thing a woman can offer is her sexuality) in order to land the right guy (a balance of Alpha fucks/beta provisioning). Women’s deception/hypergamy aside on some level women know they have to put out to keep any man’s attention (commitment). If a beta knew for sure he won’t get to bang a chick from the get go. He won’t commit much less the desired Alpha.

    Anyway, the point is. Have you considered this angle to women’s indiscretion?

  15. Its all true of course, no challenge there. But arent we just going around in circles a bit these days with the essays Rollo?
    These topics have been covered in a number of essays in the past ..

  16. @Rollo and others: does anyone have a theory to explain the oscillations in the woman’s function? I expected it to monotonically decrease as the number of partners increases. It goes down overall but it rises and falls as a wave (with a decaying envelope).

    Is there some psychological component to the self-reporting that they think say, odd numbers are better than even ones for whatever reason (also the self-reported numbers are not super reliable I would say).

    Similar information in a grid of plots I have saved in my computer:

    https://cdn.4archive.org/img/pOfaNjF.jpg

    The bottom left corner doesn’t show this oscillating behavior, but there is a little bit of it on the two plots on the right.

    For the man’s function the local peak at 6-10 is also somewhat intriguing. It probably reflects some threshold level of SMV “competence” on the part of the husband which instigates enough dread to keep the wife on her toes, but still not as high (even for men) as having just the one partner.

  17. For all those who are wondering about the chart – this is not a proper curve fit. If you try to connect every outlier using basic chart functions, you get a wavy line, essentially over-fitted. A true trend line goes right through the center of the data.

    To understand, check out stocks over a 1 day, 1 week, 1 month and 5 year period. The trend becomes clear.

  18. As someone who has gone through this system of lies that the FI has been force feeding me since birth,unplugging is painful and hard. I’m sure in my case it will take years.

    By now placing the data next to the action( actions speak louder than words) I know can see how I was almost used by an alpha widow, how women my age (27) change as they move towards the wall and how society, religion, whatever space you consider to be safe has the danger of the Blue Pill ready and waiting like a predator to destroy your life. You are taught not to judge but I judge tf out of bitches now because it affects you as a man. Unlearning the ego investment of not judging a book by its cover is like cutting your dick with with a knlife, specially if that book has a nice ass.

  19. Probably as good a time as any to throw this into the mix:

    **So when women shame a man for even thinking that her sexual past might be indicative of future returns it is literally a woman’s attempt at getting a man to ignore 100,000 years of an evolution that led his ancestors to have him.**

    The last two HB8’s I banged, both in their 20’s claimed to have had lesbian relationships.

    I wasn’t sure how to categorize that in terms of their N-count. But I was mildly turned on.

  20. As good a time as any to post this. The last two HB8’s I banged…both in their 20’s claimed to have had lesbian relationships.

    “”So when women shame a man for even thinking that her sexual past might be indicative of future returns it is literally a woman’s attempt at getting a man to ignore 100,000 years of an evolution that led his ancestors to have him.””

    I wasn’t sure where that would fit into their N-count or that chart but I was mildly turned on.

  21. So let me get this right we are not allowed to judge a woman for her past be it slutty behaviour, drug use, debt, shit tattoos, divorce, kids to Tyrone etc etc as it may affect her ability to optimise her Hypergamy?

    A REAL MAN wouldn’t hold any of that against her so you must be a loser if you do!

    But you can be damn sure she will judge you on any number of “mate fitness metrics” and demands the right to do so.
    Too short = no pussy,
    Not hawt = no pussy
    Not successful = no pussy.
    Nice guy = no pussy etc …

    Why the fuck would they expect us not to judge them on the metrics that matter to us? Because that’s inconvenient for them ? Suck it up buttercup you can’t change nature because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

    Deal with reality or reality will deal with you cat lady.

  22. It’s a really toxic environment for the western male today. The social contract between man and woman is corrupted and completely worthless for the man. He is attacked, shamed and ridiculed from all sides. The left and the feminists call him incel and toxic, the trad-cons call him man-whore and urge him to man up and marry the thots, even we in the manosphere enjoy calling other men cucks. All the insults include something the woman does to the man, she cheats on him or she punishes him by denying sex as if she is the ultimate gatekeeper of his masculinity.

    I was dating a psychologist whom I later learned has been a veteran on the cock carousel and I stumbled upon an article she wrote with the tile “Don Juanism” where she basically shames men when attempting to build a high n-count as part of their toxic masculine trait to improve their low self esteem and insecurities by bedding as many women as possible. Female solipsism and double standards at their worst.

    It’s a war between the feminine and the masculine respective reproductive strategies with the female side winning. Alpha/Beta blue pilled simps and cucks are directly responsible for their win. Women have no real power, their only power is to manipulate the above men in order to work for the benefit of their strategy.

  23. Yes, Rollo might be repeating himself by now, but thats what all big artists/teachers do, they keep repeating their messages for many years, just look at Tony Robbins, etc.

  24. @ Orson

    Reading your comment, I’m wondering if I understood you right because it suggests a completely different paradigm.

    Basic Paradigm: Men vs. Women. This is the one most guys, including myself, operate on when dealing with women, Feminism, ex-wives, parental law, etc., etc. It’s men’s interests versus women’s interests.

    But, if I understand you right, you’re saying that the true paradigm–as in the one that actually does the damage–is Men vs. ‘Feminist’ Men. That a woman’s actual power is limited to the power of persuasion/manipulation; that women wouldn’t actually stand a chance competing against a man unless the man voluntarily handicaps himself. That ‘Managing Women’ is a learnable skill any man can acquire if he takes the trouble, while the true enemy of masculinity is the man who would work against the interests of his fellow-men for the interests of women.

    Is that what you’re saying?

  25. As I understand your red pill intersexual dynamic. If I were a female trying to optimize for hypergamy I’d follow your SMV model. Be complimentary to a man, keep notch count low, exit the SMV by 29 and help the man build our kingdom.

    Hypergamy isn’t driven by logic and reason. Women don’t optimize it–they can get alphas for sex and betas for resources at will. Women only optimize for alphas wrt their appearance. Women used to have to work to get betas, but that was before second wave feminism and Johnson’s Great Society program and all the other apex alpha giveaways.

  26. @Rollo,

    I remember seeing a show on television years back about some dude that started a mobile paternity testing lab in a converted RV of some type. He would offer dudes paternity tests that could be done quickly and anonymously. I’m really surprised that someone in the Red Pill/Entrepreneur community hasn’t seen this as a gold mine of opportunity. I could see franchises nationwide so dudes would know the truth without having to go through some nameless global corporations that they don’t trust.

    P.S. love ya, man, so don’t get mad at me, but can you hit your introductory clauses with some commas?

    Now that the 21 Convention, 2018, is in the history books [[comma]] it’s time to get back to actually exploring intersexual dynamics rather that talking about exploring them.

    Even if you do so from the most objective perspective [[comma]] you run the risk of censure at best, personal destruction at worst.

    If there is a prime directive to the social order [[comma]] it’s that all women everywhere are entitled to the best available opportunities to optimize Hypergamy.

    And in a feminine-primary social order [[comma]] a man telling another man that he should pass on a woman for commitment is conflated with misogyny.

    If she follows the Sandbergian plan of Hypergamy [[comma]] she can’t afford to have men judge her for prioritizing Alpha Fucks…

    So when women shame a man for even thinking that her sexual past might be indicative of future returns [[comma]] it is literally a woman’s attempt at getting a man to ignore 100,000 years of an evolution that led his ancestors to have him.

  27. @ex-cartoonist

    Yes.Correct!
    It’s a voluntary act on behalf of men to cede power to the feminine. I don’t know any female “hero” who died fighting for feminism.

    I would also add that there is no noble or innocent motive behind this! It is part of what Rollo calls “beta game” even though I have seen also blue pilled Alphas become White Knights for lame causes like #metoo. I think those men think they have some reproductive advantage towards other men (patriarchal men in the past, red pillers today) by identifying with a female cause. Mix this with the protective/sacrificial male instict towards the feminine and the feminised cultural indoctrination since childhood and you get the perfect NPC/frankenstein White Knight.

  28. Good Morning,

    There’s a lot of concern about the changing intersexual landscape, the disadvantages men have. I don’t deny the present state, though men have always assumed a burden of performance relative to their capability.

    The present SMP imbalance is a placeholder for the culture extracting as much human potential from it’s members. Affiliation through war was mentioned above. Consider the expectation of men in combat, past and present. Where men were potential fodder on the battle field, and relatively so few men are now involved in the military, the burden shifts from existential war to existential SMP.

    The SMP isn’t about sex. It’s about living beyond yourself ATM. It’s gotten harder to navigate the SMP as men’s lives have and are spent buffering the discomforts of the world for everybody; women benefit downstream. In the midst of trouble women resume their inferior role, in comfort they, and men too, presume too much and lose focus of what is most valuable.

    Better to understand then be understood.

  29. ” It’s never been a more dangerous time to be a man who reveals the truths about intersexual dynamics than now.”

    21 con was a fresh place for this…

    “This is why we can become aroused on a moment’s stimulation, why we can mentally compartmentalize sex from intimacy, and why we generally err on the side of over-estimating sexual interest in women.”

    Just being masculine is a great place to dwell in while solving the worlds problems.

    “This piling on with the women only aids in the deconstruction of their ow sexual imperatives, but male ‘allies’ used this shame as an extension of their Beta Game in the hopes of identifying themselves better with the feminine (as they were conditioned to). They see the identifying with women’s imperatives as a means to their own reproduction.”

    A harsh place to rest in a blue pill state.

  30. I’ve seen the Sisterhood take precedence over blood. Many times. Lots of Mommas using the arrival of a girlfriend on scene to keep sons tamed and reined in. They side with the woman, collude with her, enlist their Mom friends into the effort, pressure the son to “do the right thing”, etc.

    This despite the fact that these same girlfriends are poised, with Moms help, to become competitors in the contest of local-man control.

  31. Good post, Rollo. And much needed.

    Gentlemen, when you get all the way down to it, your pointed questions about her past, your discoveries, and your conclusions about her past, are all threatening to her. This is about power, and her ability to use power to get you to do what she wants.

    They threaten her ability to consolidate at epiphany time. They threaten her ability to use you. If you know the truth about her and her past, she can’t use you as easily.

    Your knowledge of her past vastly reduces her power.

    One of the main reasons women don’t like this is because when her power is reduced, this subjects her to judgment. Your judgment is one of your greatest powers. Because, well, it’s your commitment. It’s your money. It’s your life. It’s your time, attention, labor and resources. She wants them, and you have the power to grant or deny them.

    You’re judging her for her past indiscretions. You’re evaluating her worth and value to you, as a woman, as a sex partner, as a potential long term mate. It is in her interest to prevent you from learning the truth about her past, so as to get you to judge her favorably. The more you know of her past, the less likely you are to judge her how she wants. And you will judge her negatively. And then reject her.

    And that makes you guilty of the crime of Making Her Feel Bad. In Intersexual Relationshipland, the Class X Felony of Making Her Feel Bad is a capital offense. If you Make Her Feel Bad, you will be subjected to a torrent of emotional vomitus the likes of which you won’t often see.

    Women will do anything to avoid Feeling Bad. This is why women lie about their pasts – because they know men judge them negatively for it.

    Knowledge of her past indiscretions and judging her for them neutralizes her power. And that is why the Sisterhood circles the wagons whenever a slut is being judged – because we can’t have a woman rendered powerless and vulnerable.

  32. After taking Red Pill many men have to grieve twice. First when they realize that AWALT, and second time when they fully realize that they are not that kind of men hypergamy would choose for. In short to acknowledge that “I am not sexually attractive for the kind of women I would like to be” is sometimes traumatic and painful.

  33. Men ceding power…representative govt….clubs…organizations…political parties…lots of good reasons for men to cede power…but the problem with white-knighting isn’t really men that it’s men ceding power, but that it’s men working against the interests of men generally

    …but Blax doesn’t cede power to other men ever…he doesn’t pay his taxes, give money to his church, pay his bills, join clubs, do work for charities, work for an employer, etc.

  34. <iAfter taking Red Pill many men have to grieve twice. First when they realize that AWALT, and second time when they fully realize that they are not that kind of men hypergamy would choose for

    Actually, men grieve first for their blue pill idea about women being virtuous, then they grieve over their sunk costs in women, then they grieve that they have to get off their lazy asses and improve themselves.

  35. …. You know very little about what I do and don’t do because it’s more fun for you to form your own narratives.

    But, I haven’t believed in ” church ” and organized religion since I was 16, so ni, churches get no cash.😁

  36. Shut up Karen. Men are having rational conversation here. Zip it.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    “Reason is a lie; for there is a factor infinite & unknown; & all their words are skew-wise.”
    ___LIber Legis / Chapter 2 / Verse 32

  37. “But there is still swill in the trough!”

    Question: What’s worse, guys swilling in a trough, or a women wasting five lengthy, stilted paragraphs critiquing the swillers?

    Answer: The latter is worse “because” she just wasted all that time on exquisite prose that nobody cares about other than Father Time.

  38. This is so on point. If I had known the complete truth about my Ex’s past, I never would have married her.

    There was a clear history of lies and betrayal, and I didn’t see all of it.

  39. ” ….. nobody cares about other than Father Time.”

    Father Time doesn’t “care”, it only teaches and its lessons are very harsh. Karen and other Daughters of Satan are learning the lesson now, they have hit the WALL, their beauty disintegrated, they hate themselves when they look in the mirror, and they blame the MAN for everything, use manipulation to destroy everything he has created. Their philosophy is equality (psst !) and the name of their bastard religion is Feminism.

    Every whore is “strong and independent” …… until the money runs out.

  40. Rather than repeating himself, Rollo’s post builds nicely upon Saving the Best — one of the all-time best episodes of TRM and worth a trip to the archives if you missed it.

    Some useful comments on that chart, with that bulging divergence at 6-10 Partners.

    Romantic comedies meanwhile continue to show the emotionally messed-up gal-with-a-past being saved by the good-guy white-knight beta — handsome and charming though he may be, he’s still asking for big trouble after the movie ends and the lights have come up

  41. @Deti

    Great comment!!!

    @Rollo

    “The Sisterhood will always show solidarity for, provide cover for, or aid and abet a woman trying to optimize Hypergamy,…unless that woman is in direct intrasexual competition with her for the same optimization.”

    Several years ago my oldest cousin´s wife cheated on him. I remeber that when I and my family were discussing about it, my sister defended my cousin´s wife and also said that we should forgive her indiscretion, I wast like WTF???????

  42. Roboto
    my sister defended my cousin´s wife and also said that we should forgive her indiscretion, I wast like WTF???????

    The science term for “team woman” is “ingroup preference”. A small study done a few years back showed this preference at 4:1. That is outside a couple, women will give preference to other women vs. men by a margin of 4 to 1. This has a lot of implications for business settings such as HR but also extended family situations.

    Evo-psych explains this via exogamy: women who leave their clan to pairbond with a man in another branch of the tribe or even further away. Women in that situation would be more likely to survive if they were ingrouped with other women. Those who could not would be less likely to survive. Survivors bear children, and maternal DNA is well established fact.

    “Team woman” exists, although now outside the manosphere it’s nigh impossible to study for obvious reasons.

  43. odds of being able to alpha widow a girl with a 30+ n have never been better than in 2018

    18 yo can rack up 20 partners in first semester and not remember any of it. literally no impression made. no orgasms. no anal fuck fests. just drunk in the dark dorm room fumbling whiskey dick condom “sex”

    so as long as she’s not taking loads bareback (some do for sure, most dont), don’t let pure n count stat fuck up your approach

    there are solid ways to test her experience. you’ll never know the “truth”, but you can determine pretty well where she’s at on the hard fucks and alpha widow spectrums

    i bet partner count doesn’t correlate with alpha widowhood as well as it used to

    if she’s young 20s and acts like a puppy because she can’t help herself…

    you win. as in, you get to widow her.

    you have to do it.

    walk away from her and then watch her follow like a puppy

    spinning plates who only fuck you = juggling puppies

    good luck with that

  44. my sister defended my cousin´s wife and also said that we should forgive her indiscretion, I wast like WTF???????

    Maybe your sister had also had her own indiscretion….

  45. Asd, you will never know the facts nor will the reporters,untill you have lived as a homeless man with a full time job.
    It could be that one would congregate where the climate agrees with sleeping outdoors,and the locals are generous.

  46. Roboto:

    Thanks.

    Relationships at bottom are about power. The current feminist/gynocentric/feminine imperative world is about maximizing women’s power and minimizing men’s power. This has been done through a myriad of ways and in every institution in society.

    The goal is not to equalize men and women; the goal is for women to take, keep, consolidate, and maximize as much individual and collective power as possible. The goal is for women to get what they want through having men create it, make it, build it, steal it or share it, and then hand it over to women by choice if possible; by force if necessary. And the only way women can really do this is by women getting the most powerful men enforce this on the rest of men.

    Individual relationships are about power. The only real power a woman cannot take away from you is physical force and brute strength. But she’s gotten men to pass laws making your use of that power a felony, so it’s been effectively neutralized.

    She has persuaded men to pass laws requiring you to hand over half of everything you earn and amass upon her whim. She has persuaded laws requiring you to give her your children, again on a whim. Those laws effectively make her the half-owner of everything you’ve created.

    She’s working on passing laws preventing you from confirming that you’re the biological father of your children. She’s working on laws to relax evidentiary and standards of proof burdens on rape, to make it easier to convict you of sexual assault. She’s working on the ability to destroy you, your career, and your ability to support yourself, on little more than an accusation, with no proof or evidence or burden of proof.

    You have all the responsibilities, obligations and burdens in a relationship; but very little authority or enjoyment of the fruits of all those burdens and obligations.

    The powers you still have are the ability to say “no”, judging women, rejecting unsuitable women, and vetting women mercilessly. You can also simply not marry and not have children, and thus not tether yourself to a woman in the first place. If you do that, she can’t divorce rape you and she can’t turn your nonexistent kids against you. She can’t spermjack or cuck you.

    Just take the power back such that the only power she has is to leave. She always has that power. She can always leave. But you can shape your relationships the way you want them; you just have to find women who are willing to do that with and for you. Just take that power back. Just say “no, it’s not going to be that way. It’s going to be my way; we’re doing this particular thing my way. We can do some things for you and your way, but these things will be done the way I want and need. If you don’t like it, you can leave, or you don’t have to have a relationship with me.”

    Take the power back. Say “no”. Judge. Reject. Vet and screen the hell out of every woman you deal with. If she cannot or will not give you what you want, if she can’t or won’t compromise, if she can’t or won’t submit to you, kick her to the curb or don’t accept her in the first place.

    Any woman who has to have ALL the power in the relationship isn’t worth having. Any woman who uses sex as a weapon (which is how most women wield power in their relationships with their men) isn’t worth having. Any woman who uses emotional outbursts and rage episodes to verbally and mentally browbeat you into submission is toxic and you need to dump her. You don’t have to put up with maltreatment from women. You don’t have to put up with women who don’t give you what you want and what you need. Just say “no”. Just say “it’s my way or we’re done. You can leave if you don’t like this.”

  47. Where the hell were you 30 years ago? lol

    Before my Ex and I got married, I asked to see a copy of her pre ious divorce decree. Never got to see it before we got married, and wasn’t until recently that I found out why…

    She had been married to her first husband for a total of 5 months, and when she filed for divorce, had tried to get the court to award to her, HIS family home.

    She was trying to steal the home his parents had allowed them to live in.

    If I had been aware of that nugget, I would have walked away.

  48. Let us now praise famous fried ice. We will take as given today’s evangel, as augmented by anonymous and sentient exegesis with a side of deti.

    Seems to me there are other social forces promoted by many of the same white knights/bots/NPC’s which could well end up pissing in the succulent Open Hypergamy, it’s-your-duty-to-man-up -with -those-party-girls soup. Such as:

    Marriage rates plummeting amongst the greater population. The divorce rate is down, we are told, but only because fewer are marrying at all. Those who do are UMC and they tend to be more stable because more forethought went into them, after a fashion, certainly more than most young men in the past did.

    I think up to 40% of all births now are to unmarried womenfolk and the betas who love them. Not necessarily single moms, though there are lots of them. Just people hanging together in one household for as long as they both shall lulz. Like in Sweden. This will be a thing, if it isn’t already, just like Sweden etc.

    Single motherhood is again being touted as Perfect Parenting and fathers are still being shat upon (along with any male presence in the family house). See, e.g., January Jones, Father’s Day dress-down sermonettes, sperm bank adverts, any issue of “O” magazine. Plus Good Men Projection articles saying Dads should be Moms and their kids’ besties, which particularly in a stepparent situation is very much promoted as the norm.

    Yes there are lots of houses occupying physical space in this dimension, but a lot of them are underwater foreclosed stock with too high a buyout for too little house. many of the rest are too high priced for any couple to stay and cook up a pod of sprogs, or I should say, they aren’t marketed to starter families. Still enough rick kidz to snap up a few I suppose, at least around here. People don’t get paid anymore, not enough to get good credit, and the jobs they do have are as fungible as anything in the path of a typhoon. And if they do buy they may have to didi-mau out of there when one or the other’s job vanishes or moves to Dubuque.

    And finally a generation of men raised on Yes Means Yes and dogma that Starbucks meetup = unwanted communication = expulsion (college) or dismissal (job). While OTOH the sexually-forward gals go Gaga over the foam cannon boy, bartender, foosball hero, but only so many of these cis-het she’s will be permitted to score with said Alphas-For-A-Day.

    It will be interesting to see how these social phenomena, plus #OhYeahYouToo, dilute or poison the brew in the coming years.

  49. I think up to 40% of all births now are to unmarried womenfolk and the betas who love them.

    …and we should be happy that births are occurring at all, since our birth rate is nowhere near the replacement rate…

    …implications for the FI aren’t good…maybe we have reached an evolutionary dead end…the FI and WKs have created the dead end…

  50. You would think that the birth rate being below the replacement rate would raise some eyebrows and some people in the manosphere would be commenting on it.

  51. Community and Culture
    https://old.reddit.com/r/meToo/
    Optism and conflict while staying in reality.

    thedeti
    “The goal is for women to get what they want through having men create it, make it, build it, steal it or share it, and then hand it over to women by choice if possible; by force if necessary. And the only way women can really do this is by women getting the most powerful men enforce this on the rest of men.”

    I’ve found this a lot in religion and how Sex is expected and experienced in pair bonding family’s in faith. When Dickens wrote Oliver twist it got big because of the wives. The same thing happened with Social conflict that merged into social justice causes. Wives are the first form of importance in tribes and Newsfeed of political and religious leaders. If you want to make a point about the world going to the wife gets the message across in hoping for a response.

    “You have all the responsibilities, obligations and burdens in a relationship; but very little authority or enjoyment of the fruits of all those burdens and obligations.”

    In having the burden of performance i put myself first and I’m happy with Crafting new experiences for myself and than inviting someone in from their. Once i own up to all the thing’s im not aligned with i know my sphere of responsibility.

    Thank you for that comment, it brings to mind many parts of my life im not fully Intergrated myself in.

  52. If I had been aware of that nugget, I would have walked away.

    Fnu Mnu LnU

    Well you were aware she wouldn’t show it to you, before you got married…

    This is the kind of Red Flag that “vetting” is meant for…

    Not her fault. Don’t hate the playa hate the game?

  53. The Sisterhood will always show solidarity for, provide cover for, or aid and abet a woman trying to optimize Hypergamy,…unless that woman is in direct intrasexual competition with her for the same optimization.

    From Greene’s The Laws of Human Nature:

    . . . look at our tribal tendencies and how they have now found the perfect medium to operate in—we can find a group to identify with, reinforce our tribal opinions in a virtual echo chamber, and demonize any outsiders, leading to mob intimidation. The potential for mayhem stemming from the primitive side of our nature has only increased.

    Social media has expanded the depth and breadth of the Sisterhood’s echo chamber – the girl herd is far more numerous than the girl’s directly observed intrasexual competition.

  54. How does a woman just not answer a question a man poses to her?

    ” I’d like to see your divorce decree ”

    Woman – non compliance for whatever reason.

    Red Flag according to Vetting.

    Ghost.

  55. @ thedeti

    I don’t deny the system is rigged against men. IMO, a man’s life isn’t a zero-sum-game war zone.

    Women en masse aren’t to blame. Men aren’t to blame. It’s vainly bitter intimating so, futile and distracts men from being better. I’d be more productive and entertaining shaking my fists at the sky.

    The world is fucked up as people, men and women, are inherently fucked up, are and always will be.

    But the one guy on his own, hanging out uncynically here at TRM, for example, can fashion a legit DPA life moving forward. Much of the plan entails rejecting shibboleths of victimhood. Moreover, overcoming a desire to control others (women, the law, the system) is helpful. It’s counterintuitive, perhaps, but the less one desires control over others, the more control he has of himself…and that’s the first step at being influential, a man of consequence.

    Desire sex is infinitely better than negotiated sex and frees a man’s energy to do a lot else as he pleases. Striving for sex? Then the sex controls the man. Worried about cash? Then the cash controls the man. IMO, great sex and money are natural products a well-intentioned life, not a mad dash for control over some limited resource or some highly intricate master plan that must be followed without fail.

    There are real gains to be made in men’s lives sexually and otherwise and it starts by mortifying our own limiting beliefs i.e. that the system is rigged, so rigged that men must presently fight for a lay, paycheck, peace of mind. That which remains is a unbuffered life. That level of understanding is real power.

    What we don’t know hurts us less than what we know that just ain’t so.

    tl;dr: Abundance mentality.

    Have a good evening.

  56. Fnu Mu
    Yeah. I was blinded by the great and frequent sex. Should have been a clue.

    Rhetorical question: how long did the great and frequent sex last after you put a ring on it?

  57. “Past indiscretions”. Yeah. “Youthful indiscretion”. “Mistake”.

    No.

    “Deliberate decisions”.

    “Choices I made and am responsible for.”

    “Things I did.”

    “I’m owning my shit on these choices.”

    “My husband is making me own my shit on my past choices.”

  58. @ Karen

    While it may be true that women have power in courts and perhaps let’s include the Universities too on that list and all the other places. The reason they have this illusion of power is because a few men in powerful positions were conned into giving up power for masculinity as a whole in official capacities like the courts you mention. The power that you think women have is only momentary. If men decided to take power from those few idiot men at the top and men decided that women have no power it is how it will become.

    The other reason this is a momentary power is because of blogs like these enlightening the new generations of men coming through the ranks. These men will wonder ascend into positions where they can effect change. In the mean time they are already effecting the changes by applying red pill praxeology in their lives. This is a power that can’t be governed in legal or political sense. Yet the more men who apply this power, it will eventually add up as a group to have real social and political consequences.

  59. Apparently Karen’s only purpose in life is to be Queen of the cock carousel! What about children?

  60. @ ASDGamer

    What’s an ASD Gamer anyway?

    “Hypergamy isn’t driven by logic and reason. Women don’t optimize it–they can get alphas for sex and betas for resources at will. Women only optimize for alphas wrt their appearance. Women used to have to work to get betas, but that was before second wave feminism and Johnson’s Great Society program and all the other apex alpha giveaways.”

    Back to the topic. Yes, naturally it’s true that hypergamy isn’t driven by logic. Still that is like saying that men cannot understand their natural alpha or blue ways (conditioning) and how it affects their lives and try to tweak it.

    At least with the way women apply hypergamy today there’s some logic to it. Yes, when they play the role of wife material role for a beta they wanna lock down and succesfully lock him down knowing fully well they will never love him. As opposed to years back when there was societal control and women still tweaked their hypergamy application within the parameters of that time period.

    Women, although hypergamous are still humans who learn and adapt in order to achieve certain goals.
    So, I still stand by my point in suggesting that some of women’s destructive application of hypergamy is learned behavior from social conditioning. As women are realizing that more men are becoming red pill aware a few might start to make different choices.

  61. Yes, naturally it’s true that hypergamy isn’t driven by logic. Still that is like saying that men cannot understand their natural alpha or blue ways (conditioning) and how it affects their lives and try to tweak it.

    Yep, they really can’t…if they understood their sexuality, it would interfere with their sexual options…so when women try to understand, they get short-circuited. We men can understand it, but women really cannot accept their own nature. ASD flares up and blows a fuze.

    Women can tweak their hypergamy to pursue betas…betas don’t cause ASD to flare up.

  62. In addition to implied control over hypergamy, holding women accountable for their past actions, also flies directly in the face of Feminist attempts to offload the negative consequences of female choices on to men.

  63. The pic for this post is highly appropriate What is she attached to other than a figurative globule mass of her psychological spiritual abortions mixed with the residual memory secretions of so many glands she entertained in her past? She is hauling around all those “indiscretions” mixed with the memory cum of so many men who “came” before her current suitors. She is a walking spermtoon. Like the spittoons of 19th century salons and brothels, everyone knows what they are for. What man in his right mind would embrace such a grotesque nasty muck? It would be like sitting down to eat a mass of hemorrhoids.

    I would much rather boldly go where no man has gone before. Wouldn’t you? Where is that sense of fresh adventure? Where is that unspoiled, unsoiled conquest?

    “I’m planning on breaking up with her in a couple of days and currently think I should just be honest and tell her the reason why. However, after talking with some of my friends, they say I should make up a bullshit excuse and say the chemistry died, since telling her I’m breaking up with her because of the past will just make her feel like shit over something she cant change. I feel like this is somewhat disingenuous and gentle honesty is the best policy, but since the relationship will be over anyway I feel like my friends have a point and I may be kicking her when she’s down for no reason. I would appreciate some advice.”

    “I’m not sure what to do with her” really means he is not sure what to do with himself. This is because probably he has never done anything worth a shit with himself.

    This guy has his head so far up his ass he can see the back of his teeth.

    He is NOT looking for “advice”. He wants an excuse. He wants reality to go away. He wants reality to be something different than what it is. If he really wants to end the relationship, then he would fucking end it. What the hell difference does it make how he does it? Why waffle around with the idea of “not kicking her when she is down” or considering “gentle honesty”…what the fuck is that anyway ? Is he tiptoeing around a whores emotions that have dominion over him? His problem is NOT how to dump her. His problem IS should he dump her. He has no control of himself and is floundering around with what to do with himself and her. He cannot accept responsibility for himself. He is in a “relationship” with his assumptions and expectations of what he wants her to be, rather than what she really is and this is what he cannot handle. Reality is not confirming his fantasy come true expectation and now he must decide if he is going to be screwed with and fucked by a sexual sociopath and conscripted to eat sloppy hundredths and pretend to himself they are dessert, or if he is going to do something different. He is reaching out on Reddit because he isn’t sure of his “friends” advice. Isn’t it obvious that he is running away from his own gut instincts and ability to make a decision? Isn’t it also true that HE is the ONLY person that he can really trust to make the best decision for himself based on HIS gut instinct? He doesn’t want control of his life. He wants a fantasy that the reality of her will never provide. He sits at the table of the cuckold feast preparing to eat the psychological abortions and left over spiritual cum of those who spooged before him and he cannot decide to get up and leave or dive in deeper.

  64. I always thought Pussyblind – replete with SS lightning s’s – would be a great hair metal band name. But most would miss the irony.

    Rollo, grab that V bass and you guys can 🎸 at next years 21 con….

  65. @ Orson

    “Apparently Karen’s only purpose in life is to be Queen of the cock carousel! What about children?”

    Is this comment about you trying to shame her or you actually believing that she couldn’t possibly enjoy a life outside of traditional marriage.

    A lot of the stuff I read in this group seem to come from a place of ingroup preference as a poster above said. I mean you live in a time period when women are not bound by past social contract or at least get away by not abiding by them and you really think some woman can’t enjoy cock-carouseling her life away, traveling, partying clubbing etc Yes, even if it’s self destructive and make her miserable. Yes, some women can make such choices and live with it. After all they have no real incentives to comply with past social contracts. The same way most red pilled men have no incentives to marry women today.

  66. @NBTM

    I’m tired of reading this “She is hauling around all those “indiscretions” mixed with the memory cum of so many men who “came” before her current suitors. She is a walking spermtoon. Like the spittoons of 19th century salons and brothels, everyone knows what they are for.” and its versions thrown around by the likes of Donovan Sharpe.
    Can you please provide any medical science citation that concurs with this claim.

    By the logic of this claim it would also mean that since men can catch STD from women that men sleeping with so many women should alter their dna and who they are. Do you start to see how ridiculous this is starting to sound.

    It’s so funny to find the male cliches we use in attempting to shame women etc the same way we say they do to us, lol. SMH

  67. Most everything in the manosphere is written from the perspective of how to get out of a bad situation, how to not get screwed, how to cope with and recover from being a victim. It is mostly about exposing and understanding how to compensate for or manage being taken advantage of by women and the culture. It is a victim mentality.

    More needs to be considered about how to screw the shit out of women and reverse the culture, how to take advantage of the current social dynamic and benefit from it, manipulate it to the advantage of men. Become a predator. But prey wisely. Eat or be eaten. Screw or be screwed. The world is full of endless opportunity. Some women can be used for sex. Some women can be used for money. Some women can be used for domestic servitude. I use different ones for all three benefits concurrently. Use them or get used by them. This is the reality of life. Lie to them, but do it wisely and with judicial cunning. All humans are liars. Even the idea that any one human or any group is or are not a liar is itself a lie employed to deceive and manipulate. Learn the game. The human animal game is not like the game of other animals. It is not so much a game played with teeth, claws and muscle as it is a game played with deceit, cunning, charm, bluff and trickery. Accept this. Learn to get good at it and you will be a lot happier. Do not be deceived into thinking this is “evil”. Understand that the idea of “evil” is itself a deception, just another lie designed to make you disarm yourself and follow a path of servitude others want you to follow.

  68. @Jafyk: duckduckgo.com is an excellent search engine. To get you started:

    CONCLUSIONS: Male microchimerism was not infrequent in women without sons. Besides known pregnancies, other possible sources of male microchimerism include unrecognized spontaneous abortion, vanished male twin, an older brother transferred by the maternal circulation, or sexual intercourse. Male microchimerism was significantly more frequent and levels were higher in women with induced abortion than in women with other pregnancy histories.

  69. “Use them or get used by them. This is the reality of life. Lie to them, but do it wisely and with judicial cunning. All humans are liars. Even the idea that any one human or any group is or are not a liar is itself a lie employed to deceive and manipulate. Learn the game. The human animal game is not like the game of other animals. It is not so much a game played with teeth, claws and muscle as it is a game played with deceit, cunning, charm, bluff and trickery. Accept this. Learn to get good at it and you will be a lot happier. Do not be deceived into thinking this is “evil”. Understand that the idea of “evil” is itself a deception, just another lie designed to make you disarm yourself and follow a path of servitude others want you to follow.”

    P O W E R F U L

    @Jafyk

    Poor Orson shames Karen and other women like her, because he can’t manage to find and get a beautiful low N-count girl to commit to him and bear his children to continue his genetic legacy, because they all chose the cock carousal over him lol.

    …….and most don’t really have an incentive, like you said, to get off the ride, because life doesn’t end @30 for most women. Despite what the Red Pill ‘experts’ will have you believe:

    https://lookism.net/Thread-Red-Pill-NUCLEAR-red-pill-Women-don-t-hit-the-wall-until-60-years-old

    Somebody WILL man up and marry that 45 year old sloot.

  70. Women evolved to be used by men. This is their innate constitution. In reality they are each and all willfully engaged in servitude no matter how pathetic the claims and demonstrations of some are against this reality. Just look at the reality of how they present themselves and how they behave, how they preform. Some intend to be and are good mothers and wives providing servitude for the human family. Some make excellent sex objects as they are blatantly willing to wantonly fuck various men both on and off camera for money or not. Others preform suitable services in other areas. Currently, more recently in history, a large number of women are more than willing to preform as corporate slaves on the corporate plantation. Just a few middle class women invented feminism a few hundred years ago and were able to amass, by deception, a great following of women with the idea that women are the same as men. Such a absurdly ridiculous idea would or could NEVER be embraced by men on such a large scale. Can you imagine so many men willfully “believing” they are the same as women? This is perhaps the most blatant prime example of how easily women in mass will readily adopt a herd mentality. It is because they cannot escape the female innate fear of abandonment or banishment from the community. Her survival depends more on the community than the mans survival does. Study the “mountain men” of north America in the 17th and 18th century. There were no “mountain women”. Why is that? Because women literally are not capable of such independence, independent thought as well as physical independence. Why is the “hermit” exclusively male? Women cannot bear to be alone in the most complete sense. They are so inextricably innately tied to and compelled to belong to and dependent upon community that they have never lived as men can in this context. Women are the “herd” gender. They are innately followers much more than men are. Part of being a “herd” animal is going along with whatever the herd is doing. This is why herd animals were sometimes killed in mass by our stone age forbearers by driving them over cliffs. You can bet that it was human males who did by far most of the herding as well as the spearing, and arrowing.

  71. SK
    For all those who are wondering about the chart – this is not a proper curve fit.

    Who cares? It’s close enough.

    Take it up with the Atlantic writer if it’s that annoying.

  72. j
    Poor Orson shames Karen and other women like he

    Do. Not. Feed. The. TrollBot.

    Sigh. I may have to get a Twitter account just to tell Rollo that a recurring problem is back.

  73. @j
    That thread at lookism about the Wall just proves how retarded the site is.

    HINT: Menopause has a lot of effects on women. A whole lot.
    HINT: “Some” and “all” are not synonyms.

  74. @AR

    “Menopause has a lot of effects on women”

    https://i.imgur.com/8Ljhv.jpg

    Ya…but not until they reach 55-60 years of age (which is what the poster said is the Real Wall). Not @ age 30-35….the age, which the manosphere suggest women’s looks go to complete shit….

    but…..I don’t give a shit tbh….lol

  75. ” but…..I don’t give a shit tbh….lol”

    Whew!! That’s good because the posters on that site are fucking clueless.

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