Reminders of Myself

I’m writing this post on the day before I head off to this year’s 21 Convention and I thought I’d just do something a bit freeform to get a few ideas on the page and let you all know where my head is at these days. I generally don’t make a habit of using The Rational Male as a sounding board for my personal thoughts. Most of what you read here is what I can best describe as crafted essays. Last week’s post was a good example of that. I took about 2 weeks to to write that essay, but the the germ of the idea for building an essay on body language and implied meanings was something I’d had percolating for almost 6 months. When you write about what I do for as long as I have I’ve learned it pays to be thorough, and I enjoy the building process.

Now that I’ve said all that, I’m going to break this rule today and do a bit of stream-of-consciousness writing here now.

One thing I’ve learned since I decided to write intentionally is that I’m never off-duty. I’ve always been an artist and I’ve always kept sketchbooks with me to scribble down ideas for larger work, but it wasn’t until I started really writing that I began to keep notebooks for my posts and then my books; and now my talks. I presently have 4 small notebooks that I put ideas in. I just finished filling one up and now I need another one. I was never that Emo writer kid who was so artsy and self-absorbed he had to write a diary because he thought people must find him fascinating. In fact, I’ve always thought of art as something temporal.

Now this is changed for me. I find it an absolute necessity to keep notebooks with me to capture ideas in. I think my brain has changed somewhat since I began being a ‘serious’ author. My mind now works in a way where I get ideas that don’t stay for long, but the internal conversations I have to flesh out those ideas can get pretty involved. I’ve freaked my wife out on more than one occasion when I got up to take a piss in the middle of the night, had an idea and then had to go write it down knowing that it would fade from memory by the morning. I think I’m kind of torn between being a creative thinker and a deductive thinker as a result of applying myself to writing .

I guess that makes me a writer, but I still don’t know what I am in that respect. I do know I have an obsessive compulsion to write, but not so much to write as an author of books but a capturer of ideas. Occasionally I read about authors’ writing processes and rituals and it sounds really artsy. Honestly, I think a result of the self-publishing revolution is that it created a lot of writers who just wanted to be writers. Like they just revel in the identity and love to say ‘I’m special, I’m a writer‘. The same thing happened in desktop publishing when computers started replacing all the analog ways of graphic design. Everyone you knew was a ‘graphic designer’ because anyone could do it then.

I think it was Stephen King who said writing for him was like excrement. Not in the way that his writing was shit, but rather it was something that just came out of him, something he excreted like hair or fingernails. I think I understand that now. I never set out to be a writer, I’m an ideas man. Sometimes those ideas are great and help change men’s lives. Then sometimes I think maybe I’m a messenger for something that just needs to be conveyed in this day and this time. 

The Rational Male, my first book, just turned 5 years old on October 1st. Granted, it still needs to be cleaned up and I’m in the process of a reedit with the help of two editors now. Nothing will change as far as content is concerned, but lets be honest, the font size needs to be kicked up a couple points and there are a fair amount of grammatical errors that need to be corrected. So, I’m reading back through the whole book these days and in doing so I almost can’t believe that the voice is my own. Although the book was published in 2013 all the material is from essays I wrote as far back as 2002, and a lot of that was from conversations and debates I’d had on SoSuave from back in the day. Re-reading it is like having a conversation with myself from when I was 34 years old.

The book is important in so many ways to so many people now. That’s something I have to keep in mind today. The Rational Male is a living text. It’s not a book you you read once and put on a shelf. Readers keep returning to it when the need to be reminded of a relevant truth that they’re experiencing in life.

A year ago, when I was at the 21 Convention the thing that struck me the most was signing men’s copy’s and seeing how well-worn they were. Every one had liner notes and highlighted in at least 2 different highlighter colors. It was then I realized this book was something more than a self-published book turned out from the print-on-demand mill.

I’m sure I’ll see the same this year and it makes me happy to have been the instrument to bring these truths to men. I still get chills when men tell me it saved their lives or it fundamentally changed them for the better. I re-read my work and think ‘who is this guy?’ I wonder how my grandchildren, maybe great-grandchildren, will see what I was about. And this is what concerns me most when I consider the ease with which I could be erased from the online world.

I would be lying to say that recent social events haven’t flustered me. The fact that Roosh’s books could be so casually deleted from all of his distribution sources is unsettling. He wrote about this, prophetically, about five years ago in The Most Insidious Method of Control Never Devised. Roosh has had his bread taken from him. And yes, I understand, his right to ‘free speech’ hasn’t been impinged, he still has the right to say what he thinks, but this is a reminder that for all the high-minded talk about being ‘anti-fragile’ we’re all more fragile than we think.

I don’t know what Roosh’s revenue situation looks like, I know he’s put Return of Kings on indefinite hiatus, but I wonder what men who’ve made the manosphere their sole source of income will do when their ability to generate revenue from it dries up. This is the main reason I advise men against becoming revenue-dependent on the manosphere. It’s too easy to have their convictions compromised for the sake of profit, but it’s also one keystroke away from being deleted by platforms they depend on for that revenue.

My main fear is that the vital work I’ve done with The Rational Male might be casually undone through the ignorant vindictiveness of a feminist critic somehow made an authority over what men should and should not read in digital publishing. My fear is that the men’s lives who might be saved by my book would be prevented access to it. I made a joke on Twitter a few years ago; I said, ‘there will come a day when The Rational Male will have to be read in secret, by candle light among secret societies of men like Christians in Mao’s China had to do. I don’t laugh at that prophecy anymore.

I’ve always encouraged men to buy the physical, print copy of the book. Mainly this is because I’ve always hoped men would in fact discuss it among themselves. It was meant to be a conversation (debate) starter because I’ve always believed in the bottom up approach to making people think in new ways. I want men to physically pass the book on to the next guy they think will need it. I make the least amount on royalties from the print book, but it’s what I think is most important – but also because it is a permanency that digital books cannot insure.

The Red Pill community has grown exponentially since I began writing almost 20 years ago. While I don’t believe we’ve hit critical mass just yet I do think we’re becoming too big to ignore now. The Red Pill forum on Reddit was ‘quarantined’ last week, and unsurprisingly the latent message sent in that act was one that aligned with a pseudo-concern over what an appropriate expression of masculinity is. Ironically, the redirect from the quarantine was linked to the ‘masculinity studies’ department of Stony Brook University – every bit the Vichy male plantation for men to align with the definition of masculinity approved for them by the Feminine Imperative – and led by, the now condemned for sexual assault allegations, Michael Kimmel. 

What the Red Pill reveals is dangerous and threatening to a gynocentric world order. As the #MeToo movement evolves into the opportunistic weapon of social and political control, our online presence and our message stand out in sharp challenge to its false foundations. I can remember when I wrote Fem-Centrism and The Feminine Reality and the hostility those posts generated among critics. It’s always been a man’s world they said; how dare I suggest women were the true power behind the throne. That was 7 years ago. I had a new WordPress blog and although I was semi-well known on SoSuave I was just another blogger who wrote about this new thing called the ‘Red Pill’.

The Gestalt Feminine vs. The Gestalt Masculine

In 2018 the stakes are much higher, the game has changed and the tolerance for challenges to an ideology intrinsic to our feminine-primary social order is at its breaking point. There is now a presumption of authority to go along with the presumptions of entitlement for women and default guilt for men. The very platforms that made our coming together possible are ruled by the world views we’ve always warned against.

I once wrote a post called Appeals to Reason and in it I made a rational case as to why it is never in a good idea for a man to try to reason his way into intimacy or sex with women. Most Beta men subscribe to a very literalist mindset. Our Rational Interpretive process evolved to make men natural, deductive, problem solvers. As such, we evolved different strategies and different communication methods apart from those of women. We believe in the statistics, the empirical data, the proven methods, the ‘science’ behind the processes to make informed decisions. We prioritize information when we communicate.

To the contrary, women prioritize the context of communication – they feel the communication before they apply a rational interpretation to what’s been communicated. Even when confronted with a succinctly reason position founded on empirical facts, their first priority is to personalize how that data makes them feel. Their Emotional Interpretive Process is their evolved default.

What I see happening today on a larger meta-social scale is a collective gestalt of the masculine trying to assert their deductive reasoning to assess the disposition of the meta-female gestalt which is firmly founded in how issues of monumental social importance make the whole of the feminine feel.

In Appeals to Reason I used a guy’s petition of women as an example of this. The kid had created a list of questions for women to fill out as to why they didn’t want to go out with him on a date and to assess what it is that women want. This is classic male deductive reasoning. For millennia men have tried to apply reason to dealing with women only to find themselves confounded by what women say and what they do. The same is now true in a social scope and about decisions that have global importance today.

However, in today’s scenario it is women who presume an authority that is just on the cusp of totalitarianism. It’s like we’re collectively, as Beta, Blue Pill conditioned men, attempting to logically deduce what it is women want in order to satisfy their desire for a total authority. And when that woman doesn’t get what she wants, when men try to reason her into bed, she reacts like a violent child having a tantrum. She says what she feels, not what she needs.

And the gestalt of men turn on one another and blame the other for setting her off. “If only you assholes would give her what she wants we wouldn’t be in this mess” they say. Then to make matters worse we pander to her tantrums, we believe her insanity, we take her feelings as facts and the other half of the gestalt masculinity wonders why the other can’t see the real story while the other is swept up in female hysterics.

Then the gestalt female is pandered to so thoroughly that we come to the point that we follow their Emotional Interpretive process as the only measure of legitimate discussion. This is where we are today, only, to compound things, we’ve collectively approved for the gestalt feminine a universally effective means of destroying the parts of the gestalt masculine who would dare to challenge their feelings, their emotional priorities. We’ve given the feminine the power to wish us away to the cornfield if we upset the child.

And so here we are, at the figurative mercy of the gestalt feminine (and their Vichy male “allies”) keeping our collective heads down for fear that they’ll deny us our bread if we upset the insane, collective female Id.

There will be more to this essay in my address at the 21 Convention this Friday. I will also be doing various videos from Orlando on my Periscope, Twitter and possibly my new YouTube channel. I hope to see you there.

201 comments

  1. The best part is that when men try to collectively blame men for being capitulating pussies, they can’t be wrong about it.

  2. I have said in the past that we as men ought to fight back instead of merely pointing out the issues. I was met with “Men don’t like to fight women”, “By sharing ideas we can change things”, ” It’s all one huge shit test we can pass simply by being Alpha” really?

    Weinstein was labelled as a beta and therefore deserving of his fate. Fast forward to Kavanaugh he faced the same accusations albeit different. There are men here who will brush this aside as this being a problem affecting a top few men. My question is if they could be affected how much so the rest of us?

    We are men of diverse background and talents why can’t we pool resources to fight this feminist imperative system? This #metoo bs etc keep happening because we are just observing and cowering.

    Rollo, you’re concerned about having your work deleted online and yes this is a valid concern. If we have red pilled guys in the tech industry we can have our own version of social media that won’t be censored or risked getting deleted.

    If there’s an excellent Red pill hacker why not expose the dirty secrets of the top feminists or #metoo leaders or set into motion some disruptions in their lives of agenda.

    If you’re a red pill artist (movie maker, illustrator etc) why not create art works that exposes the FI or propagates the red pill truths and on and on.

    I know in theory using the sharing of info to change the system is supposed to work. However, I am not optimistic that will make much impact. Eventually, the 21 convention might get shut down too, your books banned cause we are playing defence when we as a manosphere could be doing a massive offense.

  3. It’s over, it’s done, the end is begun, If you listen to fools the mob rules (Black Sabbath).

  4. ” Even when confronted with a succinctly reason position founded on empirical facts, their first priority is to personalize how that data makes them feel. Their Emotional Interpretive Process is their evolved default.”

    Me: presents empirical facts and data in a rational argument!
    Her: those facts make me feel bad…it’s the data of the patriarchy and you are a creep, an incel and a misogynist.
    Me: delete
    Her: block

    end of discussion.

  5. “One thing I’ve learned since I decided to write intentionally is that I’m never off-duty. I’ve always been an artist and I’ve always kept sketchbooks with me to scribble down ideas for larger work, but it wasn’t until I started really writing that I began to keep notebooks for my posts and then my books; and now my talks.”

    Ive done this in building myself up.

  6. “What I see happening today on a larger meta-social scale is a collective gestalt of the masculine trying to assert their deductive reasoning to assess the disposition of the meta-female gestalt which is firmly founded in how issues of monumental social importance make the whole of the feminine feel.”

    https://bit.ly/2yqbYdt

    Chuck had his books banned in Prison… Even got kicked out of 2 Writing groups one because female arthurs where uncomfortable.

  7. @Rollo
    FYI, I have cut and pasted and printed out highly selected quotes from the TRM blog, and comments from the commentariat, for many years, on the fear that the blog might one day disappear from the internet. Amazingly, I now have 1950 pages of 8 1/2 by 11, Arial 11 font notes!
    I also have physical copies of your three books.
    These may be dangerous times for these “dangerous” ideas.
    These TRM insights are too valuable to me and to many people to risk their disappearance!
    Thanks for your good work, Rollo!

  8. “I would be lying to say that recent social events haven’t flustered me.” vs. “I would be lying to say recent social events haven’t flustered me.” See the difference? Hopefully your editors will.

  9. “Occasionally I read about authors’ writing processes and rituals and it sounds really artsy.”

    Working from memory, because her first appearance on the show isn’t on YT (which these days means it didn’t happen):

    David Letterman: So, you like writing.
    Fran Lebowitz: No. I hate it.
    Letterman: Then why do you write?
    Lebowitz: I have rent to pay.

  10. Want a quick response

    I want to marry a sweet little girl of 21, I don’t come from the US, she says she wants to continue her study, but I want her to be a family wife as my parents live with me, my cousin’s nearby, if she persists, should I next her?

  11. I want a quick response

    I want to marry a sweet little girl of 21. But she says she wants to continue her study after marriage. But I want her to be a family wife as my parents live with me and cousins nearby, if she persists, should I next her? I don’t come from the USA

  12. The fact that Rooshes books were banned is very concerning. Getting Manosphere books to Africa for me has been difficult. I have yet to get the Rational Male in hard copy(I have the other two). I now see that while I can, I should get as much as I can in hard copy before I am longer able to see “The way of men” or how to pick up chicks during the day.

  13. I’m one of those ‘artsy’ writers who have writing rituals; same coffee shop, special notepads, special ‘writing pen’. The reason I seem to need this is that, deep down, I’m afraid to say what I want to say. There are real consequences for ‘being sexist’, especially in England where I’m from although I currently live in the Netherlands. Was married to a Dutch woman and after our divorce I had to stay if I wanted to be any kind of father. Still, the way things are in the UK, I’m better off in Amsterdam.

    There is a sci-fi show in England called ‘Doctor Who’ whose male lead–an alien who can regenerate his body (and thus change the lead actor)–has been turned into a woman. The move has been called ‘progressive’, ‘inevitable’ and ‘it’s about time’. The first episode of the new series went out on Sunday and, knowing I’m a fan, I got messages from my family. My Mum called to say how wonderful it is. My sister texted to say ‘It’s really good’. And my 20-year old son sent me a Whatsapp saying, ‘It was cringeworthy. I had to switch off after ten minutes.’

    So there is hope!

  14. Ex cartoonist

    Actually we need masculine men who can influence the mainstream thoughts. I’ve said before, we’re always in a fight, there is no leave from the battlefield. I was raised by a single mom, when she got me in her womb, she was 18. By that time in the 00’s , she didn’t have any idea what Feminism was. Still she wanted me to be the most ideal provider for the womankind. Feminism didn’t pop up just in the mid of 19th century. It was always around us, look at old historic texts, look at how women confused men , it’d always been. We are living in a Man Crisis. Even the most masculine looking man can deceive us by being an Ardent Blue Pill Beta Feminist.
    Every mom tries her best to condition her boy to be the provider she desperately wants. From a hunter Gatherer sense of view, being a beta provider means being the Darwinian Dead End.

  15. Every mom tries her best to condition her boy to be the provider she desperately wants.

    My mother’s advice to me about romance was to play the field. So maybe she was conditioning me to be the alpha that she desperately wanted.

  16. @Rollo: several recent events convince me it is getting worse in terms of censorship.

    Even if you don’t rely on the manosphere to get your income, if you mention certain topics and the FI will lobby to do that on your non-manosphere income streams.

    I’m currently very conscious about keeping my opinions to myself on these kind of topics.

    I’m happy (but surprised) you haven’t been targeted at all. I think if the FI does come for you, they won’t just go for the Rational Male but also try to mess up with your other work.

  17. Listening to mom’s word is a disgrace, #ignore_mom but don’t let her die

    Drunk Drivers Against Mothers

    My mother’s advice to me about romance was to play the field. So maybe she was conditioning me to be the alpha that she desperately wanted.

    Your mom was similar/equivalent to your wife’s dad’s plot twist character :}

    I’m happy (but surprised) you haven’t been targeted at all. I think if the FI does come for you, they won’t just go for the Rational Male but also try to mess up with your other work.

    Rollo is a very calculative man, he’ll be one of the last targets

  18. @ theasdgamer

    ‘Every mom tries her best to condition her boy to be the provider she desperately wants.

    My mother’s advice to me about romance was to play the field. So maybe she was conditioning me to be the alpha that she desperately wanted.’

    My mum (and her sister) used to say, “You boys (my brother & i) have had more girlfriends than hot dinners…” in a proud, admiring sort of way…

  19. @ Lord of the Flies

    I don’t know; I have a love/hate relationship with the notion of ‘masculine men’. I may be a man myself, but I’m not particuIarly masculine in either looks or temperament. I don’t like the locker room mentality. I hate fighting. I was the soft kid at school, bookish, talented at art but no good at sports. Not only did I stand no chance against the Alphas; I didn’t even WANT to compete. I was quite happy as a kid watching TV, drawing and writing, doing my own thing.

    The only fly in the ointment when I grew up was that I wanted to have sex with good-looking women; the kind of women that the Alphas in my circle had sex with. I hate to say it, but from my old vantage point, the ‘Trash the macho, Be the Nice Guy’ approach seemed like the best chance for a clear non-Alpha like me to get laid. It certainly worked to get approval from women. And occasionally sex. It was only when I met my ‘soulmate’ and had a kid, only to have the whole thing crash and burn because I wasn’t ‘man enough’ that I even asked myself: ‘What does it mean to be a man?’

    That’s what I love about this blog. It really goes into that question.

  20. Women tend to process information first through an emotional filter. They see how that information feels, and then draw conclusions from that feeling.

    By contrast, men tend to process information through a rational filter, and consider any logical contradictions or inconsistencies, and then draw conclusions based on reason.

    Knowing this, how do you argue with a feminist SJW? Answer: Abandon logical arguments. Logic can work to persuade men, but for the most part they won’t persuade women. We have to come up with emotional arguments first and foremost.

    An example: Hilary Clinton had the gall to say that women are the “primary victims” of war, because it affects them as mothers, wives, daughters of the men who are killed in war.

    The knee jerk masculine response is to point out how ridiculously illogical and solipsistic that statement is, because it’s the men who are actually dying, and women are simply suffering the loss of resource provisioning. Any woman hearing this will feel defensive because simply hearing this argument will give her BAD FEELS.

    Thus in the Me-Too context, we should suspend statistical and logical arguments for the time being, and instead talk about how falsely accusing and imprisoning men directly effects women in a negative way. The whole argument has to be reframed as women being the “primary victims” of ME-TOO hysteria (as logically absurd as that may seem).

    E.g. “Ladies, how would you feel if your son was falsely accused, or your daughter had to visit her wrongfully convicted father because of an 30 year false accusation? Of course we should also listen to an accuser and take her allegations seriously, but how would you defend your son if we have to believe the victim?”

    I’ve found that “HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF…” arguments are the most likely to persuade most women. Every now and then you’ll meet a rare logical woman, but in those cases she’ll probably be on our side anyways, and you’d just be preaching to the choir.

  21. Ex-cartoonist

    My mom used to reward me for provider skills(study, good way of talking) and she didn’t let me play with other boys. She skillfully masterfully developed all the provider Qualities out if me. As a kid, I was sad, didn’t know why I couldn’t compete with Alphas. Mom made my thinking process to study first (provide first) then go play. But with this kind of mentality, even if you’re good at sports, you can’t compete Alphas. I used to find fault with Alpha guys , as they were not good at studies, not good at artistry, they are bad right? But still I didn’t know why I was unhappy. I used to feel so special (beta special “the one” kid) . I had contradiction in my mind throughout my entire life. I was always the first boy of my class, I was the first boy in my entire batch by nearly double margin than the second boy. I stood 153th position in Secondary School Certificate in my entire country. So what? Then I became a college dropout in the best college in my country, my friends, parents can’t believe it. Everyone knows there is some issues going on with me. Still struggling with life, trying to get some online transcriptionist job that’ll pay me 300$ per month. My English was better than this when I was in 10th grade.

  22. Ex-cartoonist

    I hate to say it, but from my old vantage point, the ‘Trash the macho, Be the Nice Guy’ approach seemed like the best chance for a clear non-Alpha like me to get laid.

    With Alphas, you complete the game. They’re one part of the game, you’re the another. When chick’s have hard time with Alphas, you come to her for comfort rapport. To women, Betas are just for use. My dad is an aggressive Beta. He is so possessive , he’s the main reason I’m the Beta today. His thinking process is so” provider first”, he thinks if I don’t have enough provider skills , it’s my end of the world. Alphas have always been around us, so we couldn’t be like them? Parents, possessive, aggressive parents, so sad

  23. @”arguing” with SJWs, feminists etc.:

    No matter whether arguing emotionally or rationally – they will just doxx you/damage you socially.
    Time for talking is over, has been for a long time.

    -buy as locally and conservatively as possible
    -vote as authoritarian, right wing as possible
    -never assist anyone in the camp of the enemy, no matter how dire their plight
    -raise SMV etc.pp. tbe usual stuff
    -wait & work for change individually where you can
    -discriminate wherever possible, they even tell us all the time what they fear the most, just do it
    -shamelessly lie/reframe about all of the above

    Problems will get solved. Hopefully sooner rather than later. 🙄

  24. Look at the upside, its a great time to be an alpha male with game and tact.
    I apply game at work on my gf all the time, she sort of feels in an annoying way but also clearly likes it as it allows her to relex into her feminine at the same time based on her natural instinct. I also share the knowledge with other men in regular mans meetings, but yes, it is somewhat underground. Reveal a bit of on FB and you get burnt at the stake.

    But you gotta learn to look after yourself first, learn how to handle women and the feminatzies and then you realise its actually quite easy to manouver your way around, and even enjoy the experience.

    Its all the blue pill betas that I do have geuine concerns for, but im doing my bit also, albeit one by one. I applaud people like yourself and Roosh for having the balls into the public arena, it takes geuine courage and passion.

  25. Thanks Rollo.

    I am very late to the Red Pill. I only fully digested it just over 2 months ago, in 2 days, after about 7 years of self development and having a lifetime, since 6 years of age, of feminine upbringing and no positive patriarch in my life. I in fact then purchased your second book and read that in 3 days.

    Your book, The Rational Male, set off so many eureka moments in me. It was me who changed myself and turned me into the man I am but it was your book that made me realize I was not alone and that my thinking was not just my own thoughts trying to rationalize my own failures with women.

    You may think this is trivial but it was the ‘myth of the lonely old man’ that really hit home with me. I paraphrase, ‘If you are 35 and single you have won the lottery’.

    I am now a 51 year old single man who was raised by his lesbian sister and grandmother with no positive patriarch. I have never had a healthy sexual relationship in my life (even though I had an Alpha mindset in my 20s and had sex with many women). Women have just constantly rejected and manipulated me. It was because I never knew how to be a masculine man. I was the ‘nice guy’ white knight. Needy and pathetic. There was a paradox in that I could be an Alpha and have sex with 3 different women in a week but then be afflicted with ONEitis at the flick of a switch and become and simpering chump.

    By the time I got to 35 I had lost any amount of Alphaness or self respect, I was unemployed, living alone and wanted to commit suicide because I felt I had failed, in life, as a man. I was on medication and suffering from depression. But I changed myself and here I am. No woman helped to change me for the better. I did it all myself, as a man.

    I of course don’t agree with everything you write but that is positive and it leaves ideas open for debate and growth. I always reason very strongly and use what fits into my own framework. But I totally relate to and understand your core message and because of how my life has evolved, from a young age, unplugging this AFC was probably one of your easiest unplugging.

    Thanks to you Rollo I have now, in the last 2 weeks, started my own online blog which I am currently writing content for (in fact it’s all I have been thinking about). I’m not an eloquent writer but there is plenty I can write about. Why it DOES matter for a strong positive masculine, patriarch to be present in a young boys and even a young girls life. I know personally why it matters. Why men should not visit prostitutes (I wasted 18 months of my life, quite recently paying prostitutes and this period made a profound impact on me but also caused a lot of emotional trauma which assisted in my own unplugging). Again I understand from a boots on the ground viewpoint to why a man should never throw himself at these she-wolves because it is guaranteed sex (negotiated sexual intimacy is your first clue).

    There are many areas of my life and subjects I can hit upon, from empirical data rather than regurgitated rhetoric collected from the internet, in the hope that I can reach and help other men to get a better understanding of who they are in the world.

    Rollo, keep up the good work and I hope this up coming conference goes well.

  26. I banged an HB9 27 year old who continually shit tested so much she was getting turned on more when I batted them away.

    Then she went one step further hitting on another guy in front of me. I ignored and hit on her friend. But what struck me was just how awkward the dude she was hitting on was. He didn’t know what to do. This feeling of power she had over him was an interesting insight into hypergamy and the Red Pill.

    She got bored of him and came back. I said “let’s dance one last time and get out of here”

    Her: you like to dominate don’t you?

    Me: I’m a man you’re a woman …let’s get out of here.

    Shit tests. But she changed and we left. More shit tests and I banged her in her hotel.

    Then I trolled her: “I’ll be in touch…” I said and walked out .

    The next day I trolled her again: “Great night…don’t fall in love with me”

    That immediately had her qualifying herself about how she’s so in control…

    Again once you understand you can’t Unsee it.

  27. The mention of ” authoritarianism ” here is concerning. Authoritarianism is weak people exercising force. Game is anti-authoritarianism.

    Lying, cheating and bullying is for liars, cheaters and bullies. When the opposition makes you break character, they’re on their way to victory. Part of the problems men face is that many don’t have a clue how to be a man or what it even means.

    Channel anger and keep it in check or you are no more than a petulant child. Never get down in the gutter to fight gutter snipes. Kill your weakness first.

    Or turn this place into North Korea. Sure, I guess that’s a ” plan “.

  28. Fuck the FI, let them assume “the burden of performance “ if they want , let them see how that “feels” when their chosen Alpha rejects them because they aren’t young , hot or fertile enough!

    The bottom 90% of men are fucked and might as well do their own thing in the meantime while all this plays out until it’s inevitable conclusion.

  29. My fear is that the men’s lives who might be saved by my book would be prevented access to it.

    There is always old fashioned mail order. Guys send you a check or money order and you mail them the book. Such a novel idea…

    Before that happens you can always use PayPal or other services. The porn sex toy industry business manages to sell all manner of things with second tier CC merchant banking. I’m sure you already have considered all this. We get so wrapped up in the latest and greatest tech novelty online it’s easy to forget what things were like before the cell phone and Interwebs.

  30. i am a die hard fan of the show, since the 1970s.

    but it was so bad last sunday, i turned it off as well.

    another show ruined, because of pandering to a group.

  31. (Our) life in battle is hopeless because in the next fight the knife will find its target. If it doesn’t kill, it maims. Rollo your subject & artistic method is brilliant. To echo Lord of Flies (who can’t be 18?), in the tradition of research, original ideas & rational writing outside of the fickle clutches of Mother Culture, i would like to see a list of references & previous literature. Thus perhaps one could write a new(?) chapter, weaving such historical strands. I am stoked you are going through the reedit process. Carry on.

  32. Channel anger and keep it in check or you are no more than a petulant child. Never get down in the gutter to fight gutter snipes. Kill your weakness first.

    Spot on Blax.

    That was and still is a weakness I have that gets in the way. I can lead with the best red pill script with things flowing along just fine…and then boom! The old habit of expressing anger in a way that isn’t masculine crops up. When anger is express in a controlled fashion it can be useful. There is nothing wrong with anger, but it needs to be doled out with measure. More and more just turning my back works better than yelling or throwing a tantrum.

    Minimize your weaknesses and play to your strengths. SJF and I have had many conversations about playing to your strengths. At first it was frustrating because I was using the lens of break bad habits. By making a slight change and simply saying to myself create new ones I found change came faster with better results. Frustration binds us and holds us back. Energy gets wasted in mental loops that provide little benefit and then weeks later you look and it’s like WTF….I’m going no where with all this RP stuff.

    It was three years ago when I dove in head first into the red pill. I went on a fast from alcohol, pot and sex. Thinking I was a sex addict, believing I had to break myself before I could move forward. I learned I did have the will to obstain from those “vices.” What I discovered is they really weren’t vices as much as distractions from creating my own mental point of origin. I was continually frustrated with results because I still had strong blue pill ideals. One call after another with SJF and him telling me my red pill success was being foiled by my blue pill ideals. #truth.

    Uncontrolled anger is not masculine. Blue pill expectations about women will cause untold amounts of rage and depression if unchecked. I’m not sharing this for the veterans, you guys know this. For anybody new here take note of how you use anger. As Rollo did, consider a journal to log your own behaviors and focus less on women and more on your own reactions. Understanding how you react to anything in life matters, a lot.

  33. Nice one Wala. You should post the whole thing in FR for the peanut gallery. Especially those that think older guys can’t do this.

  34. “For anybody new here take note of how you use anger. ”

    Beta anger is a physiological response to lack of agency. Most commonly expressed via passive aggresive behaviors. Which compounds the lack of agency.

  35. Beta anger is a physiological response to lack of agency.

    Beta anger is due to a lack of self-control. I’d argue that self-control is necessary for adults and that adulthood is necessary for agency.

  36. “Thinking I was a sex addict, believing I had to break myself before I could move forward. I learned I did have the will to obstain from those “vices.” What I discovered is they really weren’t vices as much as distractions from creating my own mental point of origin. ”

    “Beta anger is due to a lack of self-control. I’d argue that self-control is necessary for adults and that adulthood is necessary for agency.”

    Ha!

    I see what you guys are doing there.

    So what you are saying is: that self discipline is not self suppression, right?

    “Just remember that self-discipline is not self-suppression. Suppression is when you resist and fight against your desires, keeping them as buried and unexpressed as possible. Self- discipline is when your highest desires rule your lesser desires, not through resistance, but through loving action grounded in understanding and compassion “ Heh, New Age Deida, strike that…. (edited to add) …competence and confidence, like Michael Jordan driving to the basket.

    It’s about a process of Mastery. That is an Art.

  37. stephen king is a piece of shit blue pill beta

    his “books” are manuals on how to be a pussy

    i hope he ends up like stephen hawking

  38. “I made a joke on Twitter a few years ago; I said, ‘there will come a day when The Rational Male will have to be read in secret, by candle light among secret societies of men like Christians in Mao’s China had to do. I don’t laugh at that prophecy anymore.”

    Are we witnessing mass acquiescence of western males?

    That day will come only if we let it.

    Those who trade freedom for peace, deserve neither.

    A slave is someone who waits for someone else to liberate him.

  39. “The Red Pill forum on Reddit was ‘quarantined’ last week, and unsurprisingly the latent message sent in that act was one that aligned with a pseudo-concern over what an appropriate expression of masculinity is.”

    A “sissy” is a male who will not defend himself when other men bully him.

    What word shall we use to describe males who are too timid to defend themselves from female bullies and their male sissy followers?

  40. The difference between self control and self suppression is often misunderstood.

    Well, suppression of actions driven by emotions that would harm your mission is a good thing. Suppression of one’s mission is not.

  41. A “sissy” is a male who will not defend himself when other men bully him.

    Attempted bullying can be a test of one’s manhood. Men test other men. It’s part of the job.

  42. For the most part, western males acquiesced about 25-30 years ago. Acquiescence to the FI is one not many.

    Displays of ‘ power ‘ convince that one has little choice. Either go alongside perish. The third option never occurs because men aren’t practiced and asserting and standing up for themselves. Society doesn’t cotton to boat rockers.

    And consistently bowing down to society is the death nell for men over time, making them complicit in the fall and destruction.

  43. Remember, feminism is a long game. There will be no short solutions. They got a 50-60 year head start.

  44. Asd

    Never suppress yourself. It kills spirit and soul. ‘ Control ‘ yourself. Only robots should be emotionless.

    Mind the costs.

  45. @ Blax
    The only short term solution is to never enter into legal contact with a female, while leading them to believe you will commit eventually so you get them to perform for you in the “acquisition phase” .
    Meanwhile take care of birth control via testosterone injections with the added benefit of “more alpha” and just roll with it until the cost benefit analysis becomes negative or Unsatisfying.

    Rinse repeat until you can’t be fucked doing it anymore it sucks but it’s the only game left in town.

  46. Lying, cheating and bullying is for liars, cheaters and bullies. When the opposition makes you break character, they’re on their way to victory.
    —————-

    Just World Fallacy in action.

    Leftists bullied, lied and smeared their way to cultural world power, even in spite of losing the real world war/cold war/economic war spectacularly.

    No matter how right, moral etc. one is, if you lose you STILL lose.
    I prefer winning.

    The kids who get bullied call the other guys “bully” – they, on the other hand call the other ones “weaklings”…when the weak kid grabs a stick and gives the bully a good taste of applied physics, the crying, bleeding bully sobs about “unfair fightin’!!!” -round and round the circle goes…rationalizations, ego invests.

    A famous German author once characterized social decay in Spengler’s sense as the “fundamental inability to define the foe”.
    That is what advocating for “fair combat” with leftists, globalists, uppity females and the FI is – the inability to recognize these groups as simply “the enemy”, who has a proven track record of fighting and winning dirty.

    The more a confluct escalates, the more open and dangerous things get, the better for alphas and (greater) betas.
    As long as leftists, feminists etc. can sleep calm at night, fed by state tenures and protected by the same self-restrained, pro-civilizational males they openly attack and cuckhold all day…MEN ARE DOING IT WRONG.

  47. @Lord of the Flies…I’m early 50’s. @Sentient the interesting part of this whole story was the non-stop shit-testing that was only halted after I banged her the first time and then after I banged her the second time.

    The shit-tests were clearly meant to get me jealous, or talking about “What did you say to that guy?”

    Instead, my reframe was “Don’t fall in love with me”. That got her qualifying herself about how “cool” she was…a direct opposite response to earlier when she kept telling me how impatient and short-tempered she is.

    Yes, she’s great company and fun to hang out with. But seriously….a perfect example of AWALT.

    When I first met her 6 months earlier she’d come out on her own but said she was visiting the city with her boyfriend who was in the hotel they’d booked!

    AWALT. What did I provide? A strong male presence, no-nonsense bantering to all her shit tests. Part of this is an abundance mentality and another part is just ploughing ahead after reading the signs.

  48. @Walawala

    Thank you, you’re an inspiration for me, I saw you were quoted in probably 3rd book or less probably 2nd book in the chapter of “new hope” I’m 20, learning you doing this prompts me to take a long break to reassess my future and my current plan

  49. @Rollo
    You said Mario, but I think you mean me, Marko.
    They are all in google docs, in 131 files of 15 pages each.
    I think there is some way to “share” google doc files. I’ll check that out.

  50. @Lord of the Flies. I was quoted? Cool.

    If I was 20 and knew about game I would have lived my entire life differently.

    Somehow me at 50 gets along well with certain girls in their 20s. Usually it’s girls who are highly intelligent or well educated , rebels in some way, clearly hard for any guy of any age to get along with because of their crusty sarcasm. But it’s all a big act.

    If I had understood shit tests, amused mastery, abundance mentality, I could have approached
    Life with a lot less anxiety.

    Girls in their 20s want a guy in his late 40s and up who has the experience to challenge them, keep up with them physically and when they’re having their periods talk to them about books and movies and shit.

  51. Blax

    “For the most part, western males acquiesced about 25-30 years ago. Acquiescence to the FI is one not many.

    Remember, feminism is a long game. There will be no short solutions. They got a 50-60 year head start.’

    Your timeline is off… By 1920 the point of acquiescence tipped for men.

    and women were at it for a good 50 years prior to that.

  52. “there will come a day when The Rational Male will have to be read in secret, by candle light among secret societies of men”

    @jack finally fucking with rollo

    Rollo no longer appears in the twitter search results under Rollo Tomassi

    same with Rational Male

    you have to search @RationalMale, but even then rollo doesn’t come up in the search bar

    Rollo is on their radar

    shadowbanning his posts has probably already begun

    Rollo is over the target

  53. From Dr. Hall: “Complex equivalence is

    – If something is expressed or stated emotionally, then it is
    true, valid, and credible.

    – If an accuser is emotional (sincerely and intensely), then the
    accusation must be true.

    – I have to believe someone (validity, credibility), if that
    person goes into an emotional state.”

  54. Since some time I see future in black colors.
    Men are single wolves, how can they win the war with herd?
    Especially when many men support this herd, too.

    For myself since long ago I know that what is in net is one kbd click from disappearing, that’s why I have all or almost all Rollo’s articles on MY computer.

    Good luck with convention, Rollo.

  55. Too pessimistic.

    Trump’s election and Kavanaugh’s confirmation are proof that the Rational Interpretive trumps the Emotional Interpretive when strong men are present.

    Women _want_ men to win. That’s the whole point of a shit test. But we have to show up individually and corporately.

    The book-banning threat is real. But there are too many avenues for information to flow to completely silence the Red Pill.

  56. Roosh originally started off his brand like red pill version of Maxim for PUAs. But veered wildly off course and got into the red pill of politics when some feminist threw a drink in his face in Canada. After that point ROK became like the stormfront version of Maxim. It wasn’t a little nazi, he was really open about it. Feminism was female version of judeo-marxism and nazism was the solution. The comment threads on ROK articles are full of it. Anybody who questioned it got banned from making comments. All the cool people left or were banned. Its not surprising that Corp America felt they had to disassociate themselves. If Roosh had kept things in the realm of gender issues, satire, trump politics, he would still be open for business.

  57. I wasn’t gonna say it, glad you did.

    That’s one reason I don’t care about roosh’s fate. Ever. Some or the shit he’s said?

    But the thing is, it was totally unnecessary. Speaking out and self expression in public spheres doesn’t have to devolve into that stuff. 1at amendment means the government won’t censor you, but Amazon and.other platforms don’t n have to deal with that, especially after a few dozen.complaints. I wasn’t surprised he got booted, nor will I ever care.

    Talk the talk, walk the walk.

    The Manosphere should police itself. There’s more than on.way to get points and information across. Everything can’t be composed as a racist/Nazi lloving frat house.logo

    Or set up a.private networkof.sorts, but the numbers will suffer. Catering to a minority within a population is always tenuous.

    I know this firsthand.

  58. This brings to mind a few things: a couple years back I joined in the warnings that sites like this one could be hacked or squashed flat. Our Sensei could get outed as a most un-intersectionally insensitive cis-heteronormative churl, be banished to the outer darkness and have to live in a warehouse locker stacked with cases of Fireball bottles with Aziz Ansari and Jian Ghomeshi as roommates. The pour girls at the brand shows would throw swizzle sticks at him, and the race car boys would be forced to adorn their Camaros with Wonder Woman decals and plus-size fashion ads.

    But I don’t think this fate is foreordained anymore; the brand here has gotten too big to epically fail at the hands of social justice worriers. The profile is too high to trample underfoot. Just like that reedy Jordan Wotzisface, a best selling book from the Clean Room gives you immunity from the threat of Academic Defenestration.

    See the Twitter banner: that dude with the bulldog face is right there on the front page, staring down the elks in the front yard. Why not? The days are over of trying not to be seen. Even the day job gig can be amputated and survive a University of Toronto-sponsored purge. Rollo the Old Philosopher mansplainer can co–exist in public over here, while branding master Aaron WashingUpLiquid (or whatever his name is) can be out there to channel the spirits world and ply victuals as the best Oil & Color Man in the business.

    Like Msgr. RT I am a big fan of critical information and other important media being kept available in physical, non-delete-able unhackable forms, for preservation in the event of Fahrenheit 451 World. I don’t trust streaming or iPadded-room devices to keep things safe. So yes yes yes to the physical book, the LP record, the compact disc, cassette, film camera, stone tablet, etc. etc. Yes they can be destroyed, but it takes work to do that. Not just going –poof– by pressing the button.

    I retain this innate fear that the Cloud well could vanish when Dr. Memory answers the question, “Why Does The Porridge Bird Lay Its Egg In the Air?”*

    Now with that out of the way: the sheer hubris of some of the shriller discourse suggests not only how the rhetoric has gone too far, but how real the pushback is and will be. For example: Some Vox article titled “#MeToo Is Working” crows about the toxically masculine being cut down and taken in for Re-grooving, then it snorts about their possible return to the Social Register: “What are we to do with such men?”

    Do tell! Like who died and made you Vice-pope? ! Think again love: maybe a tweet-bot-storm can still off this or that mediocre musician, Beta Boy actor or adjunct professor, but let’s look at who’s really in charge? Last I checked the Republicans solidly control all three branches of federal government and some 30 state houses. Das Donald could very well be reelected, Bozhe moi. You tell me that’s the happy product of More Feminism?

    If I were advising this crowd – which I wouldn’t, they don’t listen to the greyhounded hippie – I’d remind them that successful social movements only work when you include people and bring them in as collaborators and fellow team members. This ain’t that. “Thanks For Shaming” don’t and won’t work, but that still seems to be the default setting. So don’t listen. Vigilance is still needed, as is discretion: don’t say or tweet anything you don’t want read back to you on a witness stand. But as long as you’re ZFG with what you do say and do, you can push through.

    *Firesign reference. Look it up. Or tell Siri, “This is worker speaking, hello” and hear how she replies.

  59. Just a few things I’d like to point out & remind my fellow men:

    – You don’t fight feminism by ‘fighting’; you do so by being a better man for yourself and holding yourself accountable to a code that is without gynocentric or feminist influence. Be a man, without apology.

    – Know thyself.

    – Never try explain ‘facts’ to women, especially before fucking. Fuck em good, then you can talk. And even then, what’s the first rule of fight club…
    If you’re a man that gets it there’s no need to be verbose.

    – Maybe we need to get our own server and cloud thing going for RP & TRM. We need to create some sort of resource portal out of the reach of the FI and their deluded sycophants & white knights. I agree with Jayfk on this.
    We can use sites, torrents, something…

    I normally save seminal posts in PDF format by Rollo & Illimitable. Maybe RM tech savvy brothers can get on this. Create some archives, like archive.org but for TRP content like Books and videos & RM as well.

  60. @Veneno1 It’s not hard brother. Use torrents if you have to. Buy when you can.
    If you need to get info you can get it. Redpill subreddit had a link a while back with over 50 RP books in soft copy.

    Shout out from Nairobi, Kenya.

  61. @ex-cartoonist Mate, I knew the FI has a stronghold on things in the UK. Is it that bad? Isn’t Netherlands on the whole ‘future is female’ shit too?

  62. “If I were advising this crowd – which I wouldn’t, they don’t listen to the greyhounded hippie –”

    I think we’re all Bozos on this bus.

    “–poof–”

    No one can make my digital media go -poof- by pushing a button. Not even me. I’m the only one who knows where all the copies are though. The physical media is so cheap and small these days it can be cached nearly anywhere and everywhere.

    A micro SD card is physical media, in your possession, just as much as a CD, LP, tape or book, only it holds a lot more shit in a lot less space at a lot less mass.

    Every tool has its pluses and minuses. Learn to use as many of them as you can. Network (including sneakernet) with your friends, not corporations. Digital samizdat.

  63. @Sentient

    “They need a paternal hand. They love it.”

    Which is where the constant shit testing comes from. All the pieces of the Red Pill started making sense a few years ago. Then it was practice—gaming girls, trying things, failing and ploughing ahead.

    Some of the guys who come here confused or frustrating–I get that. I still feel frustrated when something doesn’t work out. But less and less the “feeling” of being “beta” is declining.

    I used to seek advice on things like “Is this text beta?” Now it’s all about the results.

    The HB9 27 year old wanted me to chase her—just to the point she felt desired not to the point she felt creeped out. She bantered back and forth with all this flakiness before coming out.

    When she did come out she didn’t want to leave with me the first night. I left. Then I texted her a photo of a drink I was having. “Join me”. More flakiness but she texted “If you ask me out for a drink tomorrow I could me you.” I invited her to my home for dinner.

    So each time it’s a little more escalation, kitten and string. The calibration of knowing she was interested is from experience. A newbie would have just walked away from all this flakiness not recognizing that it was part of her hamster spinning.

    How did I recognize it? Experience. Also, I wasn’t asking her, I was telling her: “Come over…we’ll broil steaks”.

    It’s meta-game and only comes from experience. Girls in their 20’s are telling me more and more that guys aren’t “Masculine”—their word—anymore. Age isn’t a factor here for me, it’s how I carry myself, keeping in shape, looking and sounding successful, being successful in the past at things.

    The young Chad has the advantage of cockiness. I have the advantage of cockiness AND experience. The cockiness is demonstrable—I have been successful in my career, home, projects etc.

  64. kfg
    A micro SD card is physical media, in your possession, just as much as a CD, LP, tape or book, only it holds a lot more shit in a lot less space at a lot less mass.

    Every tool has its pluses and minuses.

    How to store information long term is a topic that gets kicked around a lot in various places. Flash memory (SD / microSD / etc.) similar to magnetic media and optical media has a lot going for it, but requires something to read it. One friend of mine has put a whole lot of FM’s and other references onto a big hard drive as well as a series of CD’s. He also has a supply of older computers that can read the media and print things. There are forms of trouble that would overcome his preparations.

    Some other men have taken key documents including maps, waterproofed and even laminated them. That’s a different problem set.

    Books can hold up for at least a century, I have examples sitting on the shelf. They require a bit of environmental control and do deteriorate, but the only requirement to read them is a literate person with functioning eyes (perhaps a few spare pairs of ordinary glasses as well).

    The people I know who trust the cloud mostly don’t know what “cloud” means. Those that do know what “cloud” means are less prone to trust it. Sometimes work policies require cloud usage, in that case maintaining data on some local machine is a good idea. Data coherency algorithms are required, though.

    It is interesting that a cheap cell phone with a quad ARM processor and 8 GB of memory plus a 64 GB micro SD has more raw computing power than most supercomputers of the 90’s. One can store a lotta text on that toy.

    Ultimately the only data really under my control is in my head. I try to keep that in good working order.

    Which reminds me: “The effects of smartphone separation on executive function”

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563216304915

    It would be interesting to attempt replication of the work. Shouldn’t be difficult…

  65. Blaximus
    Pelosi hasn’t been de-platformed, huh?

    You read “Animal Farm”, right?

  66. Why is Copenhagen suddenly plying me with high production value video ads soliciting me to resettle there?

  67. I’m confused why smokeless tobacco would invite to you resettle anywhere. Maybe someone thinks your easy to confuse, or a real dip…

  68. @Rollo

    I’ve been reading this blog for about three years. This is my first time commenting. To give context to my dedication to this underworld, my friend and old roomate is now Tyler RSDs executive assistant. I was suppose to go work for them as a video editor, but I decided I need to make my own voice in the world as a creative intellectual. I’m working on a short film that’s heavily Red Pill themed (when I say red pill, I mean I’ve only actually read TRM blog), but still disguised enough to not get me booted by feminist film festival programmers. As I smash into pre production I wanted to give my thanks to a fellow dot connecter and artist for inspiring me and helping me through my own ego death 12 year LTR breakup and I will pay it forward with many projects and unplugging as many men as I can.

    As a life long lover of film and film industry worker, I find it synchronistic that The Matrix and LA Confidential have blessed my journey down this rabbit hole. Lol

    As a fellow artist (painter) I’m really curious to see any art that you’ve done if possible.

  69. @ walawala

    Great to hear of your recent sexploits, bro. I just gotta get my mojo back to hit the same like i have over the years. It can be a real struggle when one’s mojo goes walkabout, like mine has for the past year. Just gotta keep pushing thru as there is no other way. I look forward to posting a successful FR before the year is out…

  70. @kobayashii (Wrath of Khan reference?)

    Regarding your question about feminisation and the Netherlands, it’s weird. If you read Dutch newspapers and watch Dutch TV, they generally have the same ‘Future is Female’ shit as the UK. Women complain of inequality and discrimination, and ‘new’ men write self-loathing articles in support of the FI and the need for ‘us to do better’.

    But day-to-day life here is different. The atmosphere in coffee houses, with men and women sat at big communal tables working at laptops or chatting to one another, is generally relaxed and pleasant. I work as a freelance writer on projects with mixed male and female colleagues, and the experience is overwhelmingly positive. Way more positive, I have to say, than the all-male corporate environment I was part of in the past.

    I’m reluctant to say it on this comments’ thread, but most women I know or even encounter in the Netherlands are really nice people. It’s only when you get involved sexually or romantically with a woman that some switch seems to get thrown and they start behaving in … well, in exactly the way Rollo lays out in his blog essays.

  71. More censorship is coming. It’s unclear what the specific *contours* of that will be, but the overall *context* is clear enough, and it’s the political context.

    TPTB in the tech world, who govern and control all of this space, were very displeased at how the space was used in the 2016 elections — not so much the Russian stuff (which appears to have had a very limited impact), but the way Trump used Twitter and Facebook specifically. Not because they are all die-hard progressive misandrists — in fact most of them are some sort of left libertarian rather than democratic socialist types because they love money far too much to be true socialists. But because they, libertarian as they are, really are scared of the government(s) (especially in the US) stepping in to try to break them up or regulate them, which would serve to dilute their control of these spaces and the advertising and related revenue that flows from that. So they are going to be taking more and more steps to self-censor and self-regulate, in an effort to “get ahead of the government”.

    In these efforts they are going to be reactive to complaints when it comes to determining what is “offensive” content and so on, at least until they build up a bigger reference set of what that is such that more reliable algos can be implemented than the rather blunt ones that they have tried so far, with mixed results. Again, they are going to err on the side of excluding content that someone “authoritative” says is offensive, whether that’s the New York Times, or the SPLC, or whatever — as long as they can point to some source that is widely cited they can deflect criticism that they are playing favorites (they were burned by that at the Facebook hearings in DC earlier this year, for example).

    In some cases, people who generate a lot of complaints and are demonetized or blocked will be able to re-establish themselves — if they have a sufficient following of their own that is independent of the main traffic areas like Amazon and Twitter and YouTube and Facebook (and their tributaries). But for the most part the smaller guy who has pissed some people off enough to generate significant complaints will likely find himself blackballed at some point in the next period (say from now to 5 years from now), when the censorship of online spaces will gradually increase. This will happen despite the cultural pushback that Flange describes, because the tech overlords are not a part of that specifically, and are primarily motivated to act in a way that preserves them from being regulated in ways that will adversely impact their business models, which means placating the government in an effort to pre-empt regulation or at least minimize its eventual scope and impact.

    We can try to create redundant spaces online, but that’s not going to generate a lot of traffic. The issue online is always how do you generate traffic, and if services like Twitter, Facebook and Reddit are closing you off and shutting you down, and Amazon won’t sell your self-published books, alternative channels will only have a limited reach. It’s certainly viable as a survival option, but isn’t really likely to be a thriving source of traffic and information dissemination.

  72. @ex-cartoonist

    I’m reluctant to say it on this comments’ thread, but most women I know or even encounter in the Netherlands are really nice people. It’s only when you get involved sexually or romantically with a woman that some switch seems to get thrown…

    I understand your reluctance, because the men’s sphere tends to concentrate on the problems and solving those problems so it seems like the only women we run into are a problem; but what you see is not uncommon elsewhere to include the USA. Sentient provides one correlating aspect, and another is tied directly to your comment.

    Before a man is involved with a woman sexually or romantically the man is largely an unknown commodity. Even if there is an existing acquaintance but especially in mere encounters, the man by virtue of the gaps in her knowledge is interesting. He may even be intriguing. There is an element of mystery inherent to the process that helps most woman act in a more becoming way. Even the true feminist nasties are affected a little by this, as much as they work to tamp it down.

    It’s with increasing familiarity that contempt is bred. The blue pill man, not knowing how to handle developments will suffer accordingly. The red pill man will enjoy better odds when the switch is thrown.

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