Incels

Back in the summer of 2014 I wrote two essays outlining the minds of Incels. The first was The Severing and the second was Owed Sex. I wrote these essays in the wake of the Eliot Rodger shooting and the sudden emergence of the term ‘red pill’ into the popular lexicon. Eliot had a lot of manifesto style youtube videos as well as a fairly detailed written manifesto he published online just prior to his shooting. His frustration was palpable in these videos. Here was a kid who fit the profile of an AFC, an average frustrated chump. AFC is an old school PUA term used to describe average guys who were confused by intersexual dynamics, usually as a result of their life long Blue Pill conditioning. I used to unironically use AFC to describe a guy who I’d probably refer to as a Blue Pill Beta in my work today, but in light of the most recent “Incel attack” in Toronto last month I’m wondering if AFC isn’t a better descriptor for these guys.

I’m doing a bit of review here because I want to put the perspective on time in these incidents. Alek Minnasian, the Toronto truck driving killer, another AFC, reportedly idolized Eliot Rodger. In and of itself this is probably to be expected from a self-avowed Incel, but what motivates these guys. That’s what the mainstream media wants to know, right? And literally hundreds of bloggers and social pundits seem to all have an expert knowledge about the motives of Incels. Weeks after the Toronto killings there are people I’ve never read before who are convinced that they know all about these “losers”. For the most part, the mainstream media (and I include online pundits in this category now) want ‘crazy’. Even the guys who are ostensibly part of the manosphere know that crazy gets eyeballs on the screen, and nothing is crazier than a ‘killer Incell’.

Incels are the low hanging fruit for pretty much anyone on either side of the ideological spectrum. I can read any number of feminists wanting to link Incels to ‘red pill radicalization’ and how they are ‘gender terrorists’ (this is genuinely laughable considering the natures of most of these kids), to the Red Pill guys who want to carve out their own trad-con niche in the ‘sphere using Incles as a negative example to prove their version of whatever qualifies as masculinity. Lets face it, Incels are easy targets. They’re universally described as “the losers you used to know in high school who couldn’t get laid”. This makes them easy to dismiss most of the time, until one of them shoots up a university or mows down random women with a panel truck.

Incel is short for involuntary celibate, but there’s a lot more contributing to these guy’s condition than just an inability to get laid. Back in 2014 the term Incel wasn’t used to define Eliot Rodger. He was an Incel for sure, but very few people trying to analyze him made this connection. Again, they wanted crazy, and what’s better than crazy? More crazy. So all the efforts used to pick Eliot apart back then were really pointing to bigger motives, nefarious groups of ‘misogynists’ and more craziness.

Back then, Eliot belonged to an online forum called PUA Hate; literally a group formed by these guys’ collective dislike of the Pick Up Artist set that virtually all of them had once been hopeful would end their involuntary celibacy. For whatever reason the promised magic formula that would end their loneliness and sexlessness didn’t work for them. They were all understandably mad. Ironically, Rational Male articles I had written got link-backs to various posts on the forum and most of them were appreciative of them, however, that may’ve also been part of the problem. Fast forward four years and today the deleted PUA Hate forum is replaced by incel.me, another forum with a similar charter (and also one I get good link-backs to).

I think one of the most pressing problems in Red Pill awareness today is that awareness itself. Not every guy is ready to be unplugged. One of the inherent risks I take in writing what I do is presuming every man I make aware has the presence of mind to accept it and work it out for himself. If you look at the profiles of the past 6 school shooters, include Eliot Rodger and Alek Minassian, you find a lot of similarities. Most were the products of a fatherless home, most were diagnosed with autism or Asperger’s syndrome, and all of them were the ‘Forever Alone’ types triggered by the rejection of a girl. These young men are the product of a generation that has removed the man from their upbringing and taught them to emote before they think.

Today we’re just starting to acknowledge this generation of ‘lost boys‘; the young men who drift rudderless in life, are socially retarded to varying degrees and a demographic that is looking outside themselves for solutions to problems that are the result of the social order that created them. Is it any surprise we have such a rise in popularity of any speaker or organization that might be able provide them some direction?

Many of these guys are simply not ready to be made Red Pill aware. It is a risk to their egos, but also, it’s often a crushing disillusionment of the Blue Pill ideals they’d hoped would be a reality for them if they could just play the Blue Pill’s game correctly. For a lot of them it was their Blue Pill hopes that formed the basis of their existence. Now add the harsh truths of the Red Pill to a lost boy, one who is socially maladapted or has a genuine psychological disorder, and take that (misguided) ‘hope’ away from him. What does that kid do when the Red Pill shows him the reality of the game he’s involved in?

There is no ‘Black Pill’

I’ve heard Roosh and a few other commenters in the ‘sphere describe the “Black Pill” – the idea that the social order of the Blue Pill, the Feminine Imperative, or the ‘gynocracy’ if you like, is so rigged against men that they accept their role in it and give up on trying to make themselves or their circumstance better. What these guys are describing is what I’ve referred to in the past as the Abyss. This Abyss is the psychological / existential gulf a man needs to cross when he becomes Red Pill aware. He realizes that the person he carved himself out to be in a Blue Pill conditioned ideal was based on a the same falsehoods. This stage of unplugging has difficulties unique to men at various stages of their lives and according to the decisions they made for themselves throughout their lives in accordance with those Blue Pill ideals. It’s one thing for a young man of 25 to unplug and turn his life around in a Red Pill aware paradigm, but it’s quite another for a man of 70 to become aware and look back on his life, marriage(s), family dysfunction and the long term impact his blindness to the Blue Pill game he was a part of for so long.

There is a necessary state of nihilism, or at the very least a prolonged doubt, that occurs when men realize that they’re cut away from that Blue Pill conditioned life. This is why I compare it to mourning in The Five Stages of Unplugging, men are literally mourning the loss of their investments in that paradigm; they’re morning the loss of Killing the Beta they used to be.

Understand this, there is no Black Pill – there is only the Abyss of accepting the truth that comes with Red Pill awareness and a man’s capacity to make this awareness work in his best interests.

Incels, if nothing else, want to find ways to make this awareness work for them, but most are too damaged to deal with the realities that Red Pill awareness reveals to them. They’re not ready for the truth, but it’s unavoidable today.

A lot of femosphere critics want to lay the blame for Incels at the feet of the Red Pill. They think there’s some nefarious plot to radicalize young men to be killers in some misogyny fueled gender-jihad against women. This presumption also comes on the heels of the #MeToo / Future is Female movement so it fits in perfectly with the ‘resistance’ narrative. As I said, it’s easy to hate on Incels. They fit another profile too; that of the basement dwelling 30 year old who refuses to leave his parents house. For the Man Up crowd Incels are easy to AMOG, for the lathered up militant feminist they’re the perfect foil needed to legitimize their own ego investments in gender dystopia.

The truth of the matter is Incels have always been with us. They were the losers, the nerds (before they were told they were cool) and the guys who were Darwin’s dead ends. I knew dozens of them when I was growing up. I know many now, all of them building a life-theme around their life long confusion and misery of not figuring out women. I know a lot of married men today who are technically Incels in their marriages. We like to say they’re ‘unlucky’ in love or we’ll say “Don’t worry, you’re a great guy. Any girl would be lucky to have you. You’re just meeting the wrong kind of girls, just be yourself and it’ll happen for you.” Then we hope they don’t fixate on one of our girlfriend’s girlfriends and they go off to figure out how the real world works.

AFCs in 2018

So what’s different now? Well, to start, we have a generation of lost boys who’ve been acculturated to think that even asking a girl out is a form of sexual misconduct. The Village has raised boys as if they’re defective girls, devoid of any of the masculine discipline necessary to teach these young men how to cope with real rejection from a girl, how to deal with defeat or how to come back stronger as a result. As we’ve feminized these boys so to have we embedded the same feminine victimhood narrative that women rely on into their collective psyche. Except these boys are still beholden to the old social contract that women believe incumbent upon men. This puts these boy-men into a very precarious position: they are educated like defective girls and as such adopt the same frail sensibilities and are subject to the same entitlement narrative as most women are, but they are also male and therefore are expected to suck it up, take it on the chin and carry on. They are told to express their feelings and in the next moment are told to check their male privilege.

Most of the lost boys generation are not ready for the disillusionment that the Red Pill brings to them, but it’s not the manosphere that’s opening their eyes so much as they are having it thrust in front of them by a communication age steeped in the Feminine Imperative. Today, Red Pill truths are harder and harder to get away from as Open Hypergamy and all of the unflattering truths about the female nature are triumphantly lauded by women themselves. Every swipe left on Tinder is one more confirmation of exactly the harsh truths that push Incels to their limit.

Of every article I’ve read on Incels since the Toronto killings not one author has analyzed the problem correctly, but also none have any actionable idea about how to solve the problem of Incels snapping. There are no longer the same outlets that ‘losers’ had back in my day to channel that sexual frustration to more productive ends. Many a frustrated high school boy became his generation’s iconic artist or musician. I think it’s the height of irony that Mark Zuckerberg essentially created Facebook to stalk his ex girlfriend. There are no longer the creative ways to deal with the discontent that comes from sexual rejection. Some will say to me there are, it’s just these guys are too unmotivated to apply themselves. And while that may be true, there are much easier outlets that further stunt that boys development. Rather than redirecting that sexual angst to something creative, it’s much easier to lose themselves in online porn or immersive escapisms facilitated by this age’s technology.

Or they can seek out a forum of similarly disaffected young men and commiserate about the truth of a world that has no place for them. I read that Dr. Jordan Peterson suggested that a social order based on ‘enforced monogamy’ might be a cure for Incels. I get what he was trying to say, but it’s just one more flippant redirection away from the real causes of this rise in Incels. I can remember reading a post that Roissy had made about a knife wielding man in China who had gone to a day care center to specifically kill women and children. As horrifying as that is what had prompted the guy was the understanding that he’d essentially been selected out of the reproductive game because there was a huge imbalance in the ratio of men to women in China as a result of their one-child policy for so long. Roissy went on to suggest that as more and more men are disaffected by a feminine-primary social order, one that bases all its legislation and social doctrine on optimizing Hypergamy, the men disenfranchised by it will become either more violent (in their effort or angst to reproduce) or more suicidal – which we also see in men killing themselves at 5 times the rate of women.

Incels are the canary in the coal mine that is a gynocentric social order. They are what results when a society prioritizes and incentivizes Alpha Fucks (enthusiastic consent) while Beta Bucks is more or less assured by direct and indirect resource transfer to women. When 80%+ of men are evaluated as ‘unattractive’ to women fed on a steady diet of ego inflating social media, you get Incels. I made a case for this in Dangerous Times, but Incels are a byproduct of a feminine-primary form of polyandry. Incels are a result of shifting from a social contract based on marriage to one based on a sustained child support. The old social order was founded on giving a guy a decent shot at marriage and reproduction by way of being a good provider, this contract is gone today. When a woman’s primary incentive is no longer provisioning all that’s left is a socio-sexual contract based on the most available Alpha seed to meet a need that a woman cannot provide for herself.

As we move into the next decade I believe we will see even more narrowing of this socio-sexual contract. This is why some countries are legislating that anything less than an enduring enthusiastic consent for a woman is rape. This is an effort in insuring a woman is never again inconvenienced by having transactional sex for resources, nor should she be bothered by men who will know not to approach her. Incels are the natural expression of the frustration that comes from this truth becoming more and more blatant and accepted in society. Incels have it right; they more than any guy understand the brutal truths of a social order founded on mandating Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks. Where they go wrong is in their way (or non way) of coping with that truth. They accept their Black Pill and never cross the Abyss to a better life because they don’t know how to evolve with it.

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boulderhead
4 years ago

I had a city police flash his headlights to warn me of a sheriff speed trap. Been let go for 25mph over with a warning because my hands were greasy,older sheriff complimented me for being a working man.

Also been on my stomach with a shotgun to the back of my head at 3am on a back road test drive,the bright side is I finally rewired that 1950 gyromatic to shift properly.

boulderhead
4 years ago

Maybe since that judge recall the police will be less lenient now.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

@Blax – have you seen the famous law professor James Duane video “Don’t talk to cops”? It’s fantastic and reflects a lot of the stuff you’re talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE 2. Have you been studying or reading up on how to build a grassroots political movement and stuff like that? There’s some very interesting stuff out there about how (for example) the gay rights movement succeeded, but the climate change movement has mostly failed. 3. I would suggest you stop referring to what you’re doing as “another red pill” or “more than one red pill”. I’m guessing you don’t call it… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Blax, that all looks like sound advice…a few comments…

captain and above are political ranks…use political game with them…you are dealing with The Department ™

numbers matter for sure in the political game…I was a member of the homeschooling community and we used to flood Congressional and state switchboards from time to time…made the NEA look like pikers…politicians would rather take on the NRA than home schoolers

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Culum I don’t refer to anything I talk about with people as red pill, lol. Although, some would definitely get it. I’ll check out the video. I’d like to do something different than has been done prior, or at least something that is more encompassing in young people’s lives. Hell, if people are going to sit there and listen to me struggling to get a point across, then I want to be able to make an impact and an impression after they all file out of the hall and back to real life. That’s why i avoid giving these discussions… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

…. Just keep showing up.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

ASDGamer my wife ain’t a cop Funny stuff. @kfg I call “bait and switch”, because that bitcoin mining PI is hooked up to a GPU. So not pure PI miner… @On Topic Got another view of the 20-something world yesterday. A recent college graduate was sitting in a coffee joint with her textbook, she’s in my social circle so talked to her. Because I talk to anyone and have done so for years [1]. It was strictly academic / career, but my subcomms were doing ok because she followed me around for a while mildly lit up. The hunger is… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Rollo this is a good OP, but i have some quibbles…lol i think you are missing something in the translation, so to speak… there are ((3)) categories of men in the SMP – alpha, beta, AND omega… alpha = genetic contribution beta = resource provisioning omega = none of the above… i think where you are missing the changing dynamic, is that those guys you are labeling AFC are the omegas… and that that group is getting bigger bc those men that used to be able to have an expectation of getting a girl by being able to ‘provide’ (ie… Read more »

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

@HABD …those guys you are labeling AFC are the omegas…

You have mistakenly oversimplified the situation that @Rollo continues to accurately describe. As a former BP AFC, I can tell you that there are PLENTY of AFCs that make up the core of the Betas, both young and old. At least within the MC/UMC world, BB is still the norm. Although it may be a grey area, I would argue that a AFC in a Dead BedroomTM marriage is not quite the same thing as the InCel being described in the OP.

rugby11
4 years ago

Perhaps Public speaking can
https://bit.ly/2jQk4Dp
Build Confidence

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Rugby, public speaking always builds confidence. Organizations such as Toastmasters are excellent for any man to learn public speaking. You should find a local chapter and join up. Once you’ve given a few talks, you should find it much easier to speak to people and some of your old, bad, habits will begin to fade.

Thinking must be connected with action.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ Culum

Real quick ( because I’ve been off topic way too long ), a heartfelt thanks for that excellent video. I’m forwarding it today to 10 people, demanding that they watch it all the way through.

This is stuff we’d think that everyone would know, but the stats prove otherwise. Unfortunately, the cop is correct that ” people are stupid “, lol. Red Pill, be better.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

This book has not been updated for a few years but it still is very useful.

http://www.javelinpress.com/you_and_the_police.html

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

One more…

Old AF Mark Mahoney doing whatever the fuck he wants to do…

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYuBzPvnPm5/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTNqQchFnvZ/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf9IrOIgCG3/?hl=en

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Whatever style you enjoy wearing it has to be you. 100%.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

@Blax, you’re welcome. That guy has also written a short book with the same content and a bit more detail. That’s for people who would rather read for two hours than watch a 45 min video though..

a
a
4 years ago

Rollo in the OP … “Black Pill” – the idea that the social order of the Blue Pill, the Feminine Imperative, or the ‘gynocracy’ if you like, is so rigged against men that they accept their role in it and give up on trying to make themselves or their circumstance better. What these guys are describing is what I’ve referred to in the past as the Abyss. Don’t want to get bogged down in semantics.There are varying levels of despair that men are mired in. The InCels who claim “black pill” are mentioned earlier, they basically claim that “Chad” is… Read more »

walawala
walawala
4 years ago

@Sentient I’m in the age range of those guys. I don’t look that age. My own style is my own. Girls in their 20’s identify it as rock star, western US, classic. These guys are actually drawing attention to their age by being so ostentatious. Wearing a good-fitting suit and being in your 50’s gets CERTAIN girls in their 20’s tingly. Not EVERY girl responds to game but ALL girls like to be gamed properly. Personal style gets you an IOI but isn’t a deal breaker. Gaming properly is. I’ve been experimenting lately. When i purposely DON”T game…I get zero… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

walawala
Lately though I’ve either been tired or stressed or otherwise uninspired and it’s impacted my confidence.

You getting enough exercise and sleep? Cutting back on either will jack up stress, that increases cortisol and you may find it more difficult to get to sleep and stay asleep all night.

If work / life stress has increased on you for whatever reason you should increase the exercise as appropriate.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Shit. Ain’t That the truth.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Wala “These guys are actually drawing attention to their age by being so ostentatious.” Here is the thing. They simply give no fucks. They are being themselves. Have been for a long while. Authentic. Doing so for them only. You’ve hit a plateau… Happens. The thrill slowly dissipating. Great opportunity to reclaim doing what you want to do just because you want to… And seeing where that leads. Burden of knowing The Game is you get in ruts because you follow the same rules over and over. Success begets roteness. And it’s unbecoming to your soul. For example when’s the… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

“My own style is my own. Girls in their 20’s identify it as rock star, western US, classic. […] Wearing a good-fitting suit and being in your 50’s gets CERTAIN girls in their 20’s tingly.” Finding out the archetype that “certain” girls are attracted (“bad boy rock star”) and all around looksmaxing (fashion/lifting/skin care) fall under the product category. “Teasing, negging, escalating, sexualizing” Fall under the advertising category. Bacchus via NextASF: “It’s been my experience that you can have one of the best products in the world (be an attractive guy) but if you cannot advertise your product (mediocre process)… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

If you’re gonna suit it up, keep it simple and classic.

http://voyagehouston.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/238B8E87-2839-4FEF-8521-8E1B92109D56.jpeg

I too have a white beard like my doppelganger, and I also like rocking aviators – so if I go a little too flashy with the outfit, it starts to look too try hard.

But for casual wear? Lmao, zero fucks given. Sentient posted a pic above of a guy wearing some shoes that I really dig, and I’d wear them with anything and everything.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

But…. calibrate your shit –

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Most people won’t tell LeBron how he really looks, so unfortunately he’ll keep subjecting us to this.

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient

“They simply give no fucks. They are being themselves. Have been for a long while. Authentic. Doing so for them only.”

It’s branding. Trust me if we all REALLY did whatever the hell we wanted to do (zero calibration), dress however the hell we wanted to dress (no regard for style principles like proper fit and color matching) without giving a shit about anyone thinks, (instead of dressing a particular way to attract a specific niche market – preppy/rockers/stoners/gangsta) we’d have a harder time getting laid

ab17
ab17
4 years ago

@Blax

I rock aviators as well. I have 3 tailored suits (not expensive, about $300 each) that I rotate. I don’t see a lot of millennial men suiting up these days. Maybe its just the environments I’ve been in. But I’ll definitely carry the flag for us in that regard!

I need to up my shoe game though. I have some decent dress shoes and a couple of nice pairs of boots. But that is one area of my wardrobe that has been lacking recently.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ ab17

Right. You can get into some decent suits without breaking the bank. I have a couple that are so comfortable, I’ll wear them to go to the mall or out to casual dinner.

Shoes can be a weakness. I know they are for me. But the great thing is, well made shoes cost a pretty penny, but they don’t hurt your feet and they last forever with a little maintenance. Worth the cash.

j
j
4 years ago

@ab17

https://www.jackerwin.com/

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

These

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with a suit.

…with short pants.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J “Branding” is a mark… It takes context from how it is interacted with over time. So “we’d have a harder time getting laid” is not written in stone. How do you really want to dress? What do you really want to say? What price are you willing to pay to do so? Freedom not being free and all. Tom Wolfe got known for wearing a white suit year round. Because he was too poor to buy another… There was a time when people thought who is that weirdo in the white suit? Until it switched to “I saw Tom… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient The Thin Man on personal brand: “It is not about changing your self into somebody else. It is about creating a sexy persona around your real personality and attributes. I am going to use my own process of creating a personal brand as an example, but bare with me I am going to make some sugestons for others trying the same process. I am tall (6′-2″) Caucasian, trim for 45 but not jacked, middle aged, educated, I own a firm in a creative kind of a profession, I am a good cook and an avid gardener, I like classical… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J

Yeah thin man loves the archetypes. But what he outlines is merely growing into his authentic likes. He is more backfitting the model in his describing it than invention. [for example he could have morphed into Johnny Depp just as easily]

That is how “style” is developed… As apart from “fashion”.

Want to see fashion? Look at the stuff you have that you never wear.

walawala
walawala
4 years ago

@Sentient. I have a friend who was a college athlete, smart dude, recently divorced and discovered the Red Pill on his own…more like the Red Spill…he’s just diving into game. He feels it’s like a superpower… he has zero fucks given and just goes for whoever he wants. He is now seeking structure which I give him advice on. But when he was still married and I was telling him about my adventures he couldn’t believe it…now he’s a changed man for the better. He even admits that despite being a good looking guy when he was married he had… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

An irony of Gene Pressman’s – the Barney’s heir and CEO “the King of Cool” setting menswear style for decades – was that he mostly wore the same thing everyday. White OCBD shirt, black knit tie, plaid sportcoat, jeans and loafers.

j
j
4 years ago

“Want to see fashion? Look at the stuff you have that you never wear.”

http://i.imgur.com/DGLfkZg.gif

“Fashion is temporary and expensive. Style is timeless and affordable.”

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Wala

Maybe he can help you now…

j
j
4 years ago

@Sentient

“he mostly wore the same thing everyday. White OCBD shirt, black knit tie, plaid sportcoat, jeans and loafers.”

lol you’ll enjoy this comic:

http://putthison.com/style-fashion-drawings-back-to-basics/

“The simple look”

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

When I want to go out incognito, I take off a hat and aviators.

The funny nose is mine, and however much it might enhance the affect, I’m not having it off.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J.

Yup. When i wear a tie it’s almost always navy, maroon or black.

I have probably 10 navy blue blazers…

walawala
walawala
4 years ago

@Sentient I know what I need to do…my friend is a work in progress. The good thing is he gets what I’m doing and talking about…sadly not many guys I know do.

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

@Sentient That Lyon’s a good-looking guy but I’m sure he could project that ZFG ‘tude without sitting his ass on the pavement in those nice white slacks. In that pose all he needs to complete the emsemble is a “Will look Alpha for food” sign. @Blax Trim the beard just a tad and that guy would look great, I think. Lebron with suit and shorts? I saw that look a lot in Australia, Maybe SSF can give us a fashion update from Down Under. The evolution of the basketball uniform itself is an interesting fashion note. I’m still in the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Yeah. It kinda sucks.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bjqki1jgMS0/?hl=en

Benner’s thoughts on offing yo self…

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

CNN: “Suicide is a growing problem in the United States. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a survey Thursday showing suicide rates increased by 25% across the United States over nearly two decades ending in 2016.”

But why? Would be interesting to draw up a list of things that have changed in the past two decades.

j
j
4 years ago

Bourdain’s girlfriend.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhVxWRTn-EQ/?taken-by=asiaargento

Was he Blue Pill?

Pinelero
Pinelero
4 years ago

Let me fix that for Instagram meme for you… masculinized women bore men.

rugby11
4 years ago

https://www.pbs.org/show/going-to-war/
One of the best insight’s

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

She is a Weinstein accuser … but hey, who isn’t?

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2018/06/asia-argento-anthony-bourdain-girlfriend-married/

Pose as a friend Act as a spy
Pose as a friend Act as a spy
4 years ago

Time has come to start Fight Club…Fight Club is
what we can do better with… Even police guys will be the members…

Review appreciated: “The Manipulated Man” By Esther Villar…

Recommendation 1: Rollo should support this quote “Murder, crime , poverty these things don’t concern me”.

Recommendation 2: Rollo will start a Fight Club in Illinois.

Recent Activities: Fighting buds online on societal norms… Getting tons of chicks fuck request…

theasdgamer
4 years ago

What’s a good site to find cheap rates for hotels?

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Remember, the vast majority of men are not red pill. O.B.I.T. Social isolation, financial issues, and just good old fashioned inner demons that overtake and wear people down are driving suicides. I always way that we, as a nation, are operating like Disney land. We have problems when the average working American doesn’t have a thousand bucks in the bank, wages stagnated for 40 years ( for regular working folks, not ” professionals ” ), yet we continue to tout the strongest economy in the history of the world. Many men in my family in the past worked in factories… Read more »

Pose as a friend Act as a spy
Pose as a friend Act as a spy
4 years ago

@The Autistic Dancer

This joke fired over my head…

Pose as a friend Act as a spy
Pose as a friend Act as a spy
4 years ago

@The Autistic Dancer

This joke fired over my head…

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

Technology, socil media, cultural and economic polarization …

Also a report now that Asia A was seen lately “cavorting” with someone else, so speculation maybe this was the last straw

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Bourdain at one time had heavy drug issues, and still drank somewhat heavily.

Those 2 things alone are a danger, but they also point to other longer standing issues.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Notice how we’ve basically already moved in from ” the opiod crisis ” without any ideas or resolutions.

Short line for the teacup ride…..

Pose as a friend Act as a spy
Pose as a friend Act as a spy
4 years ago

TheasdGamer/The Autistic Dancer

I want you to hit me as hard as you can

Pose as a friend Act as a spy
Pose as a friend Act as a spy
4 years ago

TheasdGamer/The Autistic Dancer

I want you to hit me as hard as you can.

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

@Blax
Right, moved right on from the opioid crisis, because THIS new “trend” has celebrities!

Incubis_Rising
Incubis_Rising
4 years ago

Any new “trend” always starts with the “celebrities” – the false gods they have created for the gullible sheep to follow.

It starts with the celebrities, then the rich folks get on the band wagon, and finally the rest also join the degeneracy.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Meh. In 2 weeks it will be like nothing ever happened. Sooner than that it another guy gets a sexual abuse accusation.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Squirrel!!!!!

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Blax, buddy, you’re attracting squirrels again.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Right up Rollo’s alley… No homo

https://twitter.com/QueenCoffeeNoir/status/1005124961953026048?s=19

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Hi AR, I had no idea what I was voluntarily getting into. Honestly, it’s a group therapy world, a subculture I’ve shunned in the past as it focused in venting bad feelings and then looking around searching externally why they feel bad. It was labeled essentially “men talking men”. It starts and ends with personalized statements of feelings. I’ve little faith it’ll help in a dramatic TRM fashion. I’m a odd duck as I’ve no problems. I’m there’ as part of retooling my social life. I had no idea it was such…but I was completely understanding where they’re coming from… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago
Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

EhIntellect Honestly, it’s a group therapy world, a subculture I’ve shunned in the past as it focused in venting bad feelings and then looking around searching externally why they feel bad. It was labeled essentially “men talking men”. It starts and ends with personalized statements of feelings. Well, never had anything to do with group therapy although I have known some “12-steppers” in my extended social circle. But starting and ending with “Mah FEELZ!” seems really stupid, because focusing on feelz is how men get stuck, in my opinion. What they are feeling is real as they’re lives really suck… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

EhIntellect Last week had an almost identical clusterfuck night as last year before my DUI. Me lightly teasing a uppity overconfident woman What’s the age group? Boomers, 40-somethings, what? Cause this kind of “let’s you and them fight because GirlPOWer” is kind of weird to me. Congrats on being too chill for them. Bonus points for the bartender(s) knowing you in advance, great defense against the Mean Girl Club and their WK’s is “Nah, we know him, he’s cool. Say, what’s your problem again?”. When I was slinging beer in the bar I usually agreed with the drunks as long… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

AR, Fuck broham, if I got specific you’d shit. So to see that….here goes. The dynamic was unclear to me but cared to understand was the woman was recently married, i.e., that weekend. I teased her how easy it is to trick men. Oh there was a point she actually asked me to guess her age….layup! I said 60 but she could have been anywhere between 40-50 though the makeup hid some but it’s less effective on chubby. That’s set the tone. Well she didn’t recognize the word I used, she asked me it’s definition, I told her she’s a… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Eh

You don’t neg 4s…

They already hate you and your wife.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Also just engaging with people like that lowers your value… Ignore.

walawala
walawala
4 years ago

@Anonymous Thanks, yes working out everyday, running. Last night went out, gamed cute girl who I hadn’t realized I met two years earlier. She remembered me I had long forgotten her.

Teased her: “You’ve grown…” Lapping it up. It’s just a matter of getting up and getting out and being social. No one does it for you.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Also just engaging with people like that lowers your value… Ignore.

If you engage lower value people too much, that lowers your value…you must impose your frame on them, give them a little social proof, then disengage…I do that and it works great–you avoid making enemies and they understand the distance that must be kept and they are in your orbit. Alphas shouldn’t ignore even lower value people.

NB

“lower value” from a SMV perspective = unattractive women and socially-awkward men

Maybe someone will start a movement…Make American Men Masculine Again

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“you must impose your frame on them”

You’ve done that by ignoring them.

mersonia
4 years ago

Someone ban rugby

The Hound of the Baskervilles
The Hound of the Baskervilles
4 years ago

@playdontplay At least some guys can smell rats. Blax is this industry’s one of the best intellectual musterbators. Not only him , there are a few more. They are always here, explaining their great knowledge to people without considering whether other people do need it all. A real player won’t give away his secrets. Which really questions is Blax really an Incel in Real life? @Yo Really Thanks for your term “The Intellectual Musterbators”. I would define the term like this : “People who direct their energy not in action or achievement but rather explaining things to people, taking on… Read more »

The Hound of the Baskervilles
The Hound of the Baskervilles
4 years ago

@Yo Really

You are exact with the other one too.

walawala
walawala
4 years ago

@Mersonia. Rugby needs to get off his keyboard. I brought this up a while back. One reason I don’t comment or read as much as before.

LEX
LEX
4 years ago

Some of your “loser” stereotyping of Incels is nearly as bad as that of the mainstream media. “…all of them were the ‘Forever Alone’ types triggered by the rejection of a girl” No. Got to disagree on this. It’s more like rejection of EVERY girl, continually reinforced over a 5 year dry spell, no matter what he does or says. One thing that the PUA community did wrong was selling these guys a lot of false hope with bullshit pickup theory. You can get the girl if you say these things to her etc. You should do some experiments, to… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ Sentient

Got it. Thx.

Laters.

LEX
LEX
4 years ago

I hope what I wrote makes sense, it’s crucial to the understanding of this topic. Everyone is sounding off about incels without a real grasp of where they are coming from. One of the core tenets of the Incel community is this notion of the genetic lottery and that “life hates you” if you don’t have the jawline, height, or even in some cases the physical abilities we take for granted etc etc. And this is reinforced by the hugely looks-focused game of social media, played out in front of our eyes daily. I once experienced a contagious illness where… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Eh

Here’s the thing… Fugly women have the same seething contempt for attractive men who don’t want them as the incels do gor the Stacys of the world. And that hatred is doubled by them wrt attractive women who are the subject of the Chad’s attentions.

If they were bigger and stronger they would gladly strap you to a chair, cut off your dick and put a plastic bag over your head.

Same isues as these incel hate dudes. Confronted with itches that will never be scratched.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Yes, yes, yes. Nice imagery. Very Tarantino.

I’m out a lot and the desperation is everywhere. Classy and trashy alike.

Money and connections greases the rails but the dysfunction remains. I visit the few relatively upscale venues too.

Yesterday I had a ok looking youngish woman pawing at me every time I’d pass. She initially jumped at me, grabbed my shirt and promoted me to hang with her group.

The dudes weren’t too keen so I politely brushed it off, though she kept it up. That I ignored and it went away, kind of.

https://goo.gl/images/weSGz6

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

LEX One thing that the PUA community did wrong was selling these guys a lot of false hope with bullshit pickup theory. You can get the girl if you say these things to her etc. Not going to get bogged down in what “the PUA community” is, but will point out that there is a difference between “get THE girl” and “get A girl”. You should do some experiments, to really get what this is like. Create a couple of tinder profiles Stop. We already know the result of that experiment, because social media is a brutal environment for any… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

EhIntellect
Well she didn’t recognize the word I used, she asked me it’s definition, I told her she’s a smart girl, Google it, which she did….then, and only then, did she get offended, to which she exclaimed, “I’m offended!” and good fun was had by all forthwith.

You set yourself up with that, because the public “don’t know what the word is”all but demanded an emotional reaction from her.

As Sentient pointed out, don’t neg 4’s.

LEX
LEX
4 years ago

@Anon – yes I know – it’s all fake etc etc. And I agree, it is an immature way to view the world.
What I wrote is not my way of viewing the world, I am attempting to illustrate the incel’s way of viewing the world and how it is reinforced.

As for the tinder profiles, I meant create a couple of FAKE profiles – not for the purposes of attempting to pull whatsoever, but in order to really understand both sides of the coin.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

@EhIntellect I see what you are doing there. On the one front you are going out to men’s groups and do something. On the other front you are trying to happily socialize with other couples in the city. The problem is you are in a Red Pill Liminal Space. And as such things are different, not the same as they ever was. In this new space you already knew two things from your Red Pill reference experiences, your knowlege and beliefs. (Time to move further on in Game. Empty your cup. Move on to the next level….) Before meeting the… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Both these stories point out the extremes to which people will go to defend a wounded ego. You can injure a man physically, you can steal his goods, you can damage him in all sorts of ways, and get by with it. But the one unforgivable sin, as far as human relations are concerned, is to trample on another person’s ego. The minute you detract from another’s dignity as a human being, you are in for trouble. Because the human ego is such a precious thing to its possessor, and because a person will go to such extremes to defend… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

LEX What I wrote is not my way of viewing the world, I am attempting to illustrate the incel’s way of viewing the world and how it is reinforced. Yes, I got that. Rollo’s OP got it too. As for the tinder profiles, I meant create a couple of FAKE profiles – not for the purposes of attempting to pull whatsoever, but in order to really understand both sides of the coin. The big data from OKCupid is better than that experiment. We already know that women on OKC rate 80% of men as “unattractive”, and not just from one… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Cannot find the OKCupid blog entry where women rate 80% of men as “unattractive” but did find this:

https://theblog.okcupid.com/the-big-lies-people-tell-in-online-dating-a9e3990d6ae2

The lying is bound to be worse on Tinder.

j
j
4 years ago

If I (former incel) spent my days complaining about Stacy this Stacy that, all day on forums and not doing anything about it, instead of working on myself despite not hitting the “genetic lottery”, I’d still be an incel.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Rollo
Today we’re just starting to acknowledge this generation of ‘lost boys‘; the young men who drift rudderless in life, are socially retarded to varying degrees and a demographic that is looking outside themselves for solutions to problems that are the result of the social order that created them.

Are they really lost? Or were they jettisoned, thrown away, caged, etc.?
They are the product of the K – 12 brainwashing system and the larger society.

Who decided that so many male humans were essentially disposable, like toilet tissue?

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