Instinct, Emotion and Reason

Before I dig in here today I want to give credit where it’s due. I was inspired to consider what I’m about to go into here by a quick-hit Tweet from Illimitable Man. I didn’t bookmark it so I apologize for not linking it here today, but the general gist of it was about the mental processes humans go through when we’re presented with environmental stimuli that demands interpretation and a behavioral response. I considered this process quite a bit while I was studying behavioral psychology – Instinct, Emotion and Reason (or rationality if you prefer) – and I’m almost embarrassed that I haven’t covered this in terms of a Red Pill perspective in over 600 essays now.

The idea is fairly simple; when we are prompted by environmental (and sometimes internal) stimuli human beings process this information using three psychological mechanisms – our primal instincts, our emotional interpretations and our rational (reason) facilities. I’m not sure these processes get their proper due in Red Pill theory today.  I’ve detailed all of these processes individually for years on this blog, but generally they were outlined in the context of whatever topic I was focusing on. In this essay I’m going to elaborate on these aspects individually. Later, as part of this series, I’ll explore how they act in concert for our overall cognitive process, and then how they influence intersexual and intersocial dynamics. I think this is a useful exercise because a lot of foundational Red Pill ideas stem from these processes as well as the social conventions and interpretive priorities the Feminine Imperative relies on today.

For sake of clarity I am going to use a few behavioral psych terms like stimuli in this essay. This isn’t to throw $10 words at you, it’s just easier to elaborate on these processes with abstract terms. For example, when I use stimuli I mean any physical, environmental or cognitive prompt that our conscious or unconscious mind demands an interpretation, processing of and response to. That can be a wide variety of things so, stimuli serves as a general term.

Lastly, the following here is my interpretation of these processes. While a lot of this will align pretty well with established theories, this is my take on them and not some official, settled science of facts. If you think I’m full of shit please tell me why, this is still a work in progress for me.

Instinct

Instinct seems like the easiest of these processes to understand, but it’s really the cognitive aspect that’s most misunderstood, marginalized and often demonized. The reason for this is because our instincts reside in our subconscious (hindbrain) processing of stimuli. When I refer to men or women’s evolved mental firmware in my essays it’s our instinctual process that I’m referring to. These are the unlearned, inborn aspects of our human nature that influence the other processes and remain largely in our subconscious. Our instinctual processing is a direct result of our evolution. It evolved as a vitally necessary aspect of our cognitive processing in that it aided in our ability to survive in, and adapt to, a chaotic, primal environment when food was scarce, predators and rivals wanted us dead, and reproductive opportunities and raising a child to a survivable age were at a premium.

There are a lot of examples of our instinct level processing and each instinctual response triggers more complex processing up the cognitive chain through emotion and reason. If we were presented with a dangerous stimuli (a sabertooth tiger) our instinctual process triggers a fight or flight response physically in our bodies (adrenaline release). Needless to say this was an evolved adaptation that served our species well and was passed along genetically as part of our mental firmware. I’m going to use some simplistic examples here but, if you really want to dig into our preloaded mental firmware and how we developed it I would suggest looking into the earlier works of Dr. Steven Pinker and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley (I’ll post links in the comments).

Another example is human beings’ innate fear (reservations at least) of snakes and spiders – poisonous animals that looked easy to kill, but could kill humans without warning. That’s an example of relatively beneficial firmware, but the reason instinct gets a bad rep is due to the instincts that once were beneficial to us individually, but are less beneficial to us socially. Greed and gluttony were very practical, instinctually motivated behaviors that stemmed from a need to survive in a time when resources were scarce. Today greed is (mostly) seen as anti-social and a compulsion to overeat in a time when food is abundant is why we presently have an obesity epidemic.

Those are easily understood examples, but where things get more complex is in how our instinctual process influences the other processes (emotion and reason). Instinct gets demonized because in our ‘enlightened‘ era we like to believe that instinct is more trouble than it is beneficial. Most of that is due to a belief that our other processes are superior to (or at least should supersede) our instincts. Most of what we call sin or immoral behavior is motivated by the instinctual process. In fact, the only time our instinctual awareness and reactions are really credited with anything positive is when it gets us out of some life threatening situation or it leads to some prosocial outcome. For instance, the male instinct to protect women by putting ourselves between them and danger; that’s an instinct and resultant behavior (seemingly altruistic male self-sacrifice) that gets a lot of praise in our feminine-primary social order. However, for the most part, we tend to judge ‘baser instincts’ as a net negative.

The truth about the instinctual process is that none of our other processes function at full efficiency without it. Today, as a result of our feminine-primary acculturation, we want to relegate instinct’s influence to something “we’ve evolved beyond”. The popular consensus is we’ve raised ourselves above base instincts by either acknowledging the importance of the emotional process or that rationality and the self-control based on it immunizes us from its influence. Not only are these belief foolish and hubristic, they’re provably untrue. When it comes to concepts like the ‘selfish gene‘ and the physical differences in the evolved instinctual processes of men and women, it becomes necessary for a social order based on blank-slate equalism to demonize and marginalize the influence of, and behaviors attributed to, instinct.

The survival benefits and behaviors that make up the instinctual process were so necessary that they had to become part of our unconscious species firmware. Because the instinctual process is part of our animalistic hindbrain mental subroutines it’s something we have little or no direct control over until its effect is brought (often forced) into our conscious awareness. As such, and because we prefer to think of ourselves as emotional and rational beings, we tend to think of the influence of instinct as something we either have or need to have mastery over, and to a large extent this mastery makes sense. The truth is that instinct is an aspect of ourselves that needs to be controlled as well as embraced depending on circumstances.

Emotion

From an evolutionary perspective, the emotional process of interpreting stimuli is a mechanism of how our brains and biochemistry interact to affect our moods, demeanor and ’emotionality’ in response to both instinctual cues and the raw information of stimuli itself. Furthermore, the emotional process can also be influenced and/or modified by the rational process. I’m trying to be concise here, but our emotional response to information/stimuli is very much an evolved dynamic with latent purposes and practical functionalities. I’m making this distinction here because for millennia we’ve raised the effects of emotion to a mythical, metaphysical, importance.

While emotion often has immediate effects on us, emotion also has long term effect with regard to the stimuli it processes. There are dozens of definitions of emotions and there’s no way I’m going to lay them all out for you here. However, popular psychology asserts that there are as many as ten and as few as six base emotions:

  • Anger.
  • Disgust.
  • Fear.
  • Happiness.
  • Sadness.
  • Surprise.

Sometimes Contempt is added to this list. If these seem overly simplistic they are, again, abstracts to build more complex emotions on (some paleo-researchers insist there are only four base emotions across our evolved ethno-histories). For our purposes these base emotions will serve to show the connections between the instinctual process which prompts them and the rational process that modifies and sometimes informs them.

Each of these emotional responses is prompted by how our senses, brain and then instinctual process interprets a stimuli. Again, using our sabertooth tiger example, the instinctual process determines imminent danger and triggers a synaptic and hormonal response to that danger. As a result of that instinctual process an emotional process and response is triggered – likely fear (flight in most cases), but sometimes anger (fight).

Another example: you see an arousing woman (stimuli) at a party who is displaying behavioral cues and environmental indicators of interest (IOIs). Your instinctual process determines a high potential for a reproductive opportunity. From there the emotional process kicks in: hormones and dopamine (and not a small testosterone spike) that your instinctual process triggered flushes your system and serves as the basis for your emotional process to form an emotional response to the same stimuli. If it all passes the smell test that response (hopefully) will be happiness (and a little surprise mixed in).

There is a visceral biochemical interrelation between emotion and the stimuli/instinct relation that prompts the reaction. Adrenaline is one easy example, another is oxytocin or the “love hormone”. This is a bit of a mischaracterization of the hormone. Oxytocin induces feelings of trust and comfort and is thought to be a significant factor in human’s forming pair bonds and parental investments. There’s a lot more to oxytocin’s implications to our evolution than that, but for now lets look at how our biology influences the emotional process.

We proceed from stimuli to an instinctual response. If there is nothing mitigating that response (such as a rationally learned buffer to mitigate it) the next step in the chain is a biological reaction to that instinct – such as dumping adrenaline into our bloodstream or a post-orgasm flush of oxytocin after sex. From there the emotional process picks up the interpretation of this information as prompted by the cocktail of chemicals moving through our bloodstream and affecting our mental and physical interpretation of that stimuli. That biochemical factor prompts one, or a combination, of the base emotions listed above.

From there more complex emotions (feelings) and combinations thereof begin to form an emotional interpretation and response. This emotional response can be anything from a fast, reflexive one to a more nuanced and contemplative one. Furthermore, this emotional interpretation and response can also be modified by our rational mental process as well as our gendered capacity to process emotions. One thing to bear in mind about our emotional process is that it can imprint its interpretations into our ‘hard memory’ – sometimes so significantly that the memory of that stimuli can re-trigger that physical and emotional response.

Gender-modified interpretation of our emotion process is an important aspect to consider in Red Pill praxeology and one I’ll be elaborating on in the next part of this series. Until recently the accepted ‘science‘ about our emotional process has been based on a blank-slate equalist approach to emotion. In fact we still suffer from the outdated presumptions of academia that both men and women process emotion in the same manner, and, in theory, ought to be expected to have an equal capacity to interpret, respond and express emotion. In light of new technology and new research in a variety of interrelated disciplines we know this is old presumption is patently untrue. Men and women have different mental hardware and are born with different mental firmware. Both sexes interpret and process emotion in gender-specific manners.

I’ll be getting into the personal and social implications that the legacy of this (deliberate) misunderstanding presents in the next essay. For now it’s important to consider that human beings have an innate predisposition to elevate the emotional process above instinct and reason. Likely this is due the to the survival dependency we had on our feelings in our evolutionary past. In a time when we lacked the greater rational facilities and information we’ve developed in our more recent past, depending on and learning from emotion, and the latent purposes it serves, was a species-beneficial system. We depended on our emotions to guide our behaviors (long and short term) for us more in our prehistory when we lacked the more developed rational process we take for granted now. Emotions served latent evolutionary purposes for us in our prehistory and today are still overly emphasized – often to metaphysical attributes – as superior to reason. More on this soon.

Reason

The final piece of our interpretive process is reason, or rationality (I’ll use these interchangeably). Ironically, for all of the social preconceptions that our emotions have made us “more evolved” above instinct, it is our rational process that has evolved us above both instinct and emotion. From and evolutionary standpoint our rational process is a relatively recent development; pushing us past the limitations of instinct and emotion. The definition of rationality is the quality of being based on or in accordance with reason or logic. It is the quality of being able to think sensibly or logically and being endowed with the capacity to reason.

Biologically it’s postulated that our larger brains allowed us to develop a capacity for reason, but that doesn’t mean other animals lack the same facility, it’s just that the rational process is less developed (some would say less environmentally necessary) in those animals by order of degree. Dogs, for example, rely primarily on the instinctual process and the mental (vestigial) firmware they’re born with to solve most of their existential/environmental problems. That doesn’t mean that they lack the ability to learn and form novel (adaptive) behaviors using a rudimentary form of logic. Animals can be taught things, but their capacity to form novel ideas and behaviors is limited to their cognitive abilities. Humans, being the apex species on the planet, had the leisure to take the time necessary to evolve a capacity for logic and as such the rational process developed in us.

Of all our interpretive processes reason is the one that takes the longest to function. Our rational process forms our interpretation of stimuli based on information dissociated from the interpretations of instinct and emotion. Reason requires (accurate) knowledge derived from learning and experience, but there is also an improvisational element to the process.

Before I get too far in the weeds here I need to make a distinction; what I’m outlining is the rational mental process we employ to interpret and interact with stimuli, not rationality, the concept of reason or rationalism. That’s important because it’s all too easy to get lost in philosophical implications of reason when we look at the process of how we come to it.

As mentioned above, the rational process modifies the instinctual and emotional processes. Example, in high school, in drivers ed class, we’re taught to turn into a skid rather than turn with the skid. When we’re driving and we find ourselves in a skid our instinctive impulse is to slam on the the breaks and/or, worse still, to turn with the skid. Our self-preservation instincts tells us to do this, but all it does is make a precarious situation worse. However, when we’re taught, and we practice, not hitting the brakes and not turning into the skid, we make this our default reaction and we avoid disaster. This is the rational process interpreting a stimuli and forming a novel behavior that modifies the interpretation of the instinctual process.

The limitation of the rational process is in its necessity to take time to interpret information and develop a new apparatus. Where instinct and emotion are intimately linked with our biological hardware and psychological firmware, the rational process is dissociated from them in the same immediacy. Instinct and emotion are processes that evolved from a survival-need for fast interpretation and reaction. The rational process requires time, repetition and the right biological structures to be effective. Human beings are remarkably fast learners (even with complex challenges), but the learning that the rational process leads to is slow in comparison to instinct and emotion – which are essentially preloaded firmware in humans.

The rational process deals with the nuts and bolts of what we can understand of our reality. From there it can modify the other processes or it can serve to interpret stimuli on its own.

In the next part of this series I’ll be exploring how these cognitive processes interact and cooperate and conflict with each other. I will also consider the gendered advantages and disadvantages these processes represent to our individual experiences as men and women and the influence they play in intersexual and intersocial dynamics.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

582 comments on “Instinct, Emotion and Reason

  1. @IAS:

    It works the same way as a flame energized fridge. The trick is to use the water itself as the exchange gas.

    Water is H2O in its densest form, so dense that it’s fluid. Expand it into a gas. Since it’s not a closed system you sacrifice some of the water, retaining less, but cooler, water, the heat being carried off into the atmosphere with the vapor.

    Hotter water outside the pot, cooler water inside the pot.

    The mechanics of how it’s done:

    Put the water in an unglazed earthenware pot. The purpose of glazing is to make the pot waterproof, but we want it to remain porous. The pot wicks water from inside the pot to the surface of the pot where it evaporates. For a mini fridge place a small pot inside a large pot, pack it in with sand and saturate the sand.

    See wet T-shirt.

    You aren’t going to make ice cubes this way, but I’ve made water cold enough to hurt my teeth in the coastal tropics (where the humidity is high, and thus retards evaporation).

    Not something I’m going to do here and now. My problem set is rather different at the moment. It’s below freezing – and raining. Fuck this winter.

  2. Back in the day hot climate cyclists would put their water bottles in a terry cloth jacket, a trick which seems to have been mostly forgotten. Terry cloth doesn’t plug in, or even have a switch, so, ya know, it can’t do anything.

  3. @Sentient

    “He blindfolded and bound a woman to exercise equipment, spanked her, and tried to kiss her without her consent.”

    This story is profoundly disturbing. The governor’s sub obviously flunked Mistresses 101, the first rule being stealth. She should be called back to Hogwarts immediately to repeat the class before she destroys the world.

  4. @Lost patrol

    “This is a deep water post followed by some heavy duty commentary. That’s why it’s fun to read here. I’m behind though. Still having trouble coming to grips with the idea of Blaximus carefully tending a suburban lawn.”

    Das Wacis

  5. @ollieoxenfree1
    @IRL
    “Emotions are their reality and solipsism is the only way in the storm of hormones, too much is happening inside to look outside.”

    I had some inkling of this but I couldn’t quite put it into words. Thank you for doing exactly that.

    Take it a step further – solipsism can be studied (3:30):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOCUH7TxHRI

    Note that although we can localize the most active parts of the brain and attribute them a specific function, it’s all connected and represents other things too. Background matters and affects activity, exactly like in the NLP video Sentient posted (or take it to the extreme and search for what happens after hemispherectomy).

    And so you don’t need Trans-cranial Magnetic Stimulation to affect the region Rebecca mentions. It’s the rest of the brain that can do the interfering… and you get a woman changing her mind, reporting that it wasn’t quite consensual and all sort of buyer’s remorse stuff. The ASD as instinctual as it gets.

    BTW, ASD action patterns lol:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6MbJEB9JJc

    (Note that solipsism is not merely a female thing, it’s just really strong in them.)

  6. ““People have to understand that masculinity can be a cult, and when I say cult, it’s not different from David Koresh, it’s not different from Jim Jones,” said activist, actor and former NFL player Terry Crews. He likened the detachment of men to slavery, when slave masters would observe slaves being beaten and feel nothing. “There’s a lack of empathy from men who are in this cult,” he said. “A guy is looking at you that is not all the way human, and there is a humanity issue here.””

    https://womenintheworld.com/2018/04/14/what-does-consent-look-like-in-the-metoo-era/

    #Metoo spokesperson T. Crews

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/bf/2e/fbbf2e4cf410327be0bf1a2b3b4ce351.jpg

    Alpha /= Looks

  7. Alpha /= Looks.

    That be the ‘not equal’ sign – right? But there is a correlation between Alpha and Looks though. The Alpha Look = the look of a man that can reckon with his own fears, that in the long-run tends to produce a man who is more-so fearless. Crews still got that look. Maye even more-so as he ages and becomes wiser. Look – what Crews be saying here, though not well-said – nevertheless, not too far off the perspective of – ‘on the gender thing, as the man, see it right so that you can hold the women around you accountable for the decisions they make around personal interactions’.

    Look – that is what we should be aiming for here, within the wider culture, – one of the major problems we be having in our culture – women are not being held accountable enough for the decisions they make around personal interactions. So ….. if we agree that is a major problem, then ……. how we gonna change things to get form here to there?

  8. “women are not being held accountable enough for the decisions they make around personal interactions. ”

    So you agree with Crews? The solution to making women accountable is to label masculinity dangerous, inhuman and cultish?

    You wake and bake today more than usual? Laced?

  9. Damn it Crews, first you are an addict that objectifies women that want that,then a natural good looks guy that they find attractive hence never learning game. Now he is going public with the wrong answer of men losing their pride and trying to be less intimidating while women need to be more empowered. Tis guys like this that throw the wrench in the spokes for my daugters!

    What gives?

  10. Crews is one of my favorite celebrities.
    I loved him on “Everybody Hates Chris”.
    He also has four daughters and one son.

  11. “The solution to making women accountable is to label masculinity dangerous, inhuman and cultish?”

    No – but labeling the faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play false definition of masculinity (among men, in men’s spaces) as cultish, would be a good start.

    “Now he is going public with the wrong answer of men losing their pride and trying to be less intimidating while women need to be more empowered.”

    Yeah boulderhead – Crews got that wrong I agree. Probably defines pride wrong, in his own mind. But he is not too far off from seeing this from the perspective that men are more-so concerned about respect, and women are more-so concerned about security. These be the basic psychic facts. And you can’t kill it (for either for the men or for the women). But you gotta recognize it. Give Crews some credit for at least getting the wheels spinning in those female minds, during that discussion.

  12. Crews is a product of his incentives and disincentives.
    Much like the rest of us.
    With four daughters and only one son none of this surprises me.
    His statements are kind of a foregone conclusion.
    Doesn’t make them right, but…see the first sentence.

  13. @anon
    With four daughters and only one son none of this surprises me.

    Wait, are you saying Sentient is next?!

  14. As if she knows where the problem started. Ansari’s meeto girl was attracted in person.

    “The problem starts with dating apps, said Joanna Coles, chief content officer of Hearst Magazines and author of the new book Love Rules. “What happens when you communicate with a stranger who you matched with on an app is you begin on a computer-mediated communication,” Coles said. “You don’t have all five senses on fire. You can’t tell if you’re going to like this person. All you can do is have a witty exchange with them.”

    That disconnect can often give rise to incidents like the much-discussed story of comedian Aziz Ansari’s encounter with a woman in which the lines of consent were blurred — just one example of how confusing these issues can be.”

  15. boulderhead

    What gives?

    Stimulus -> instinct -> emotional response feeding into reasons.

    The only question to me is which stimulus or stimuli is Crew responding to.
    Words in his ear? Words in his eyes? People in front of him? People behind him?

    “Man is not a rational animal. Man is a rationalizing animal.” – Robert A. Heinlein

  16. “The problem starts with dating apps, said Joanna Coles, chief content officer of Hearst Magazines and author of the new book Love Rules.

    Nah, the problem starts with the critical shortage of fried ice.

  17. From an interview that Terry Crews did with Muscle and Fitness magazine:

    “I heard this great quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson that sums up a lot of life for me: “God will not have his work made manifest by cowards.” That sticks with me and haunts me daily. Am I scared to fail? Or scared to succeed? Am I willing to do everything it takes to make it? Or will I hide safely behind my excuses forever?

    I discovered you don’t even get to be born unless your mother has the courage to endure childbirth. Everything fantastic, amazing, or extraordinary takes courage. But here’s another thing I discovered: You can’t be a pessimist and courageous at the same time. In order to move forward, you have to believe that you are going to win. What you believe engages you with power that trumps everything in your life.”

    Sounds like DPA to me. The kind of DPA that encompasses courage. Consistently mustering courage (the willingness to face one’s fears) will, in the long-run produce masculine principles. That be Authenticity. That therefore, in turn, be DPA.

  18. @AR

    Crews is responding to stimuli as you say,I believe it to be negative stimuli, a sort of a get out of a whipping thing and then he ironically winds up whipped good.

    The trouble is he is Anon’s fave celeb, Celebrity status means he is stimulus and promoting the wrong message to many fans.

    May he have dry powder for many moons.

  19. Crews is responding to stimuli as you say,I believe it to be negative stimuli, a sort of a get out of a whipping thing and then he ironically predictably winds up whipped good.

    FIFY.
    #MeMeToo is in some ways a big shit test. Fail it and get whipped.

    Sentient pointed out a while back that #MeToo skips over some men. Immune? For what reason? How? Sure, not every man is special enough to fertilize a potted palm but that’s just a detail.

    Nobody has MeTooed Sean Connory, or any of the Rolling Stones, or George Clooney, or Mario Andretti, or, or…

    Stimulus. Response.

  20. @kfg: fair enough, if you evaporate some of the water you will indeed cool it a bit down. It will consume “latent heat” in the phase transition (or release if it was to condense). I need something to encourage the evaporation, the porous pot is a good idea to expose part of the water to evaporate and cool down the rest. Thanks.

  21. A lil postcard from the edge for you guys. Open cuckoldry on the BBC. But here’s the rub, boys – this only works if men go along with it. And boy oh boy, do there seem to be plenty of thirsty blue pilled, gyno-worshipping beta playing along. Empowering female sexual agency to this extent will only hasten the decline of our social order and eventual collapse, so in some ways I cheer this on.

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy0cIBPW6e8&w=560&h=315%5D

  22. @SJF – Fleez himself has admitted to assaulting women on this site. To call that “good guy psychopath” is just bizarre. What, you think “good guy’s” physically assault and abuse women the way he claims to? Or do you just give him a pass cuz this is a Red Pill site? How about that daughter of your’s who you have up on a throne, what if she brought Fleez home and he was telling you man-to-man how he keeps your daughter in line by physically abusing her, how about then?

    Truly bizarre BS from you.

  23. @OllieBullshitting freely – Lol, oh so you’ve bought into the lie that Britain has a multi-cutlural history, ergo open borders are no problem. Quick question – are you fucking retarded?

    Top line answer – there is actually very little genetic diversity as a result of the invasion of the Vikings or the Normans in British DNA. Also the numbers and timing of population flows were nowhere near the levels of post WWII immigration in Britain. And oh yeah, much of the history this facile, imbecilic, political argument relies on occurs previous to the post-Westphalian nation-state world order as we know it emerging in the 17th century. You fucking ponce.

    Here’s a great, in depth refutation of the “Britain is a nation of immigrants” garbage for those of you interested in an intellectually based analysis of this issue, instead of throwaway lines. http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ANationOfImmigrants2007.pdf

    In the end Ollie, your POV is born of a very subtle but destructive idea that underpins the Left’s intellectual edifice. Let me break this down for those on the JV squad intellectually here…

    – Multi-culturalist theorists posit that due to apparently all western nations being formed by immigration, we have no unique or lasting culture. That the West is a blank cultural space, and that we are mostly about economics, colonialism and oppression, not culture.

    – So, other cultures must be granted their full privileges to impose their culture upon us as we actually have nothing to offer them.

    – This is all well and good because the Left seeks an “Open Society” a la George Soros. As an aside, the term “Open Society” was created by Karl Popper, a leading Western 20th century political philosopher who never once mentioned open borders or unlimited immigration or the lack of culture in Western countries. Soros has bastardized Popper’s work (he was very soft on communism in some ways so it’s kind of easy work for Soros). Soros want’s to use immigration and open border as a weapon to destroy the nation-state order of the West. Fyi, if you don’t know what Soros is actually up to, don’t call me paranoid for calling him out. Use Google first and find out how much you don’t know about Soros. You’ll find I’ve characterized him 100% accurately.

    – So, Ollie, when you utter that false, daft meme about ‘Britain being a nation of immigrants’, you are being a useful idiot for Leftists ideologues by perpetuating lies. Hope that’s fun for you.

    @Ollie – Don’t come to a gunfight with a dull butter knife…

  24. “women are not being held accountable enough”

    That’s cart before horse thinking. If men are at the point of holding women accountable, then we’ve already taken care of our own masculine house. At that point the women will fall into line naturally.

    Living with women isn’t to be a battle. If it is you’re doing it wrong. If you’re fighting for your woman’s compliance, you’re addicted to drama, accepting the us vs. them options offered by the greater culture.

    They don’t care if your for or against feminism. All they want is to have you all in, all the time playing by their rules.

    And saying you’re not gonna tolerate them spoiled bitchez anymore IS playing their game, pumping your energy into that distraction from your freedom of mind and spirit.

    Wildman, women want to be led. It’s you, not them.

  25. @Blax – You ignorant blowhard, that comic is truly a great way to show what a superficial, ideological dipshit you are.

    Guess which U.S. POTUS use the DoJ and U.S. govt intel agencies the most to repress a free press, you gibbering idiot? Barack Obama. Here’s the proof. From the Columbia School of Journalism Review, no right wing bastion. Here’s the link, you effing moron. https://www.cjr.org/criticism/barack_obamas_press_freedom_legacy.php

    Question for @Blax – Does it ever occur to you to not talk about things you don’t know a fucking thing about? Just curious…You should stick with working on cars, cuz I think you might actually know something about them.

    Here’s the opening 2 paragraphs of the article.

    “President Obama took office in 2009 promising to make his administration the most transparent in American history. New York Times national security correspondent David Sanger, for one, says he’s failed.

    “This is the most closed, control freak administration I’ve ever covered,” said Sanger in a 2013 CPJ report, “The Obama Administration and the Press.” The report’s author, former Washington Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie, Jr., declared, “The administration’s war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I’ve seen since the Nixon administration.” As journalists often note, the Obama administration has prosecuted more leakers under the 1917 Espionage Act than all former presidents combined.”

    SUCK ON THAT, BITCH. YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU HAVEN’T BOTHERED TO LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT, BLAX. People here should take note of Ollie and Blax, uttering memes and idiotic statements based on no facts or evidence. And consider whether you should ever listen to what they say. I don’t comment on things I don’t understand. It’s a good policy. others here should try it..

  26. @ScribblerG

    I re-read my comments @April 14, 2018 at 6:07 am.

    I guess it would be considered bizarre BS, depending on the context of whether fleezer is a sadist or not. Whether he gets off on harming women (sadist)or doesn’t really think about it much at all (psychopathic traits). That would depend on active motive or indifference.

    Also my memory is foggy as to when he mentioned getting physical or wanting to get physical with his wife. That was quite a while ago. And he doesn’t strike me as a he-man woman hater. He does strike me as psychopathic in a good way. I know someone else like that and what he has been doing all ends up in the “good” column.

    I like my daughter, and I don’t fear for her in this world. She was over yesterday with my future son-in-law. Their power was out from the ice storms. And they were delightful to interact with. She was psyched up about some new Yoga intructor techniques she learned at a seminar, and he and I had some good man-to-man talks.

    My daughter wouldn’t bring Fleeze home, and she wouldn’t let someone else abuse her in a way she didn’t want to be abused. She’s high self esteem like her mother. She’s a grown woman and can stay out of harms way, or not be in a position to have Fleeze abuse her. I’d call your questions to me a Strawman argument.

    So my apologies for saying what appeared to be bizarre. If I were going to DEER, lets just say I was high as a kite from having a couple peak experiences the day before. And I was psyched about reading Kevin Duttons book the Wisdom of Psychopaths. It’s really quite intriguing and insightful in a Red Pill way. How things are with operatives that have a steely disposition. You should try it, it would improve your personality functional stack.

    Umm, Sorry?

  27. Sjf

    Man, lmao, stop aquiecing to that fucking nub. I mean, I know you have some kind of affinity for him, but he’s a lost cause white knighting super pedestalizing ahead case.

    There are only a couple of you guys that verbally support that fungus. I don’t get why that is, but have a sense of masculine pride and don’t apologize to any simple minded failure attacking you and your daughter.

    Damn…..

  28. …And for what it’s worth, some of y’all need to read less. I’m serious. 90% doing and experiencing, 10% reading and begin influenced overly by outside thoughts.

    One thing I used to ask yareally constantly, was what he thought, and not what anyone else said. Gotta have independent thoughts based on experience.

  29. We all know what’s going on here.

    There is this one passage in Kevin Duttons book where he goes under TMS stimulation.
    (Transcranial magnetic stimulation is a method in which a changing magnetic field is used to cause electric current to flow in a small region of the brain via electromagnetic induction.)

    What he was doing was undergoing the procedure to simulate psychopathy temporarily by stimulating away the worry.

    Quote:

    “My little finger stops moving as he repositions his spooky neurological wand in the force field above my head. It’s then just a matter of sitting there for a while as my dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and right temporoparietal junction get an electromagnetic comb-over. TMS can’t penetrate far enough into the brain to reach the emotion and moral-reasoning precincts directly. But by damping down or turning up the regions of the cerebral cortex that have links with such areas, it can simulate the effects of deeper, more incursive influence.

    It isn’t long before I start to notice a fuzzier, more pervasive, more existential difference. Prior to the experiment, I’d been curious about the timescale: how long it would take me to begin to feel the rush. Now I had the answer: about ten to fifteen minutes. The same amount of time, I guess, that it would take most people to get a buzz out of a beer or a glass of wine.

    The effects aren’t entirely dissimilar. An easy, airy confidence. A transcendental loosening of inhibition. The inchoate stirrings of a subjective moral swagger: the encroaching, and somehow strangely spiritual, realization that hell, who gives a shit, anyway?

    There is, however, one notable exception. One glaring, unmistakable difference between this and the effects of alcohol. The lack of attendant sluggishness. The perseveration—in fact, I’d even say enhancement—of attentional acuity and sharpness. An insuperable feeling of heightened, polished awareness. Sure, my conscience certainly feels like it’s been spiked with moral Rohypnol, my anxieties drowned with a half dozen shots of transcranial magnetic Jack Daniel’s. But, at the same time, my whole way of being feels like it’s been sumptuously spring-cleaned with light. My soul, or whatever you want to call it, immersed in a spiritual dishwasher.

    So this, I think to myself, is how it feels to be a psychopath. To see through Gary Gilmore’s eyes. To cruise through life knowing that no matter what you say or do, guilt, remorse, shame, pity, fear—all those familiar, everyday warning signals that might normally light up on your psychological dashboard—no longer trouble you.

    I suddenly get a flash of insight. We talk about gender. We talk about class. We talk about color. And intelligence. And creed. But the most fundamental difference between one individual and another must surely be that of the presence, or absence, of conscience. Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good. But what if it’s as tough as old boots? What if one’s conscience has an infinite, unlimited pain threshold and doesn’t bat an eye when others are screaming in agony?

    Ahem. Even more important: will my prosthetic psychopath implants make me cooler than Andy McNab?

    Back in the chair, wired up to the counters and bleepers, I sit through the horror show again: the images modified, so as to avoid habituation. This time, however, it’s a completely different story. “I know the guy before me found these images nauseating,” I hear myself saying. “But actually, to be honest, this time round I’m finding it hard to suppress a smile.”

    The lines and squiggles corroborate my confession. Whereas previously, such was my level of arousal that it was pretty much a minor miracle that the state-of-the-art EEG printer hadn’t blown up and burst into flames, my brain activity after the psychopath makeover is significantly reduced. Perhaps not quite as genteelly undulating as Andy’s. But getting there, certainly. Not a New York skyscraper in sight.

    It’s a similar story when it comes to heart rate and skin conductance. In fact, in the case of the latter, I actually eclipse Andy’s reading.

    “Does that mean it’s official?” I ask Nick, as we scrutinize the figures. “Can I legitimately claim to be cooler than Andy McNab?”

    He shrugs. “I suppose,” he says. “For now, anyway. But you’d better make the most of it while you can. You’ve got a quarter of an hour. Max.”

    I shake my head. Already I sense the magic wearing off. The electromagnetic sorcery starting to wane. I feel, for instance, considerably more married than I did a bit earlier—and considerably less inclined to go up to Nick’s research assistant and ask her out for a drink. Instead, I go with Nick—to the student bar—and beat my previous best on Gran Turismo4 out of sight. I floor it all the way round. But so what—it’s only a game, isn’t it?

    “I wouldn’t want to be with you in a real car at the moment,” says Nick. “You’re definitely still a bit ballsy.”

    It feels great. Not quite as good as before, perhaps, when we were in the lab. Not quite as … I don’t know … “impregnable.” But up there, for sure. Life seems full of possibility, my psychological horizons much broader. Why shouldn’t I piss off to Glasgow this weekend for my buddy’s stag party, instead of dragging myself over to Dublin to help my wife put her mother in a nursing home? Why not just do the opposite of what I normally would—and to hell with what people think? I mean, what’s the worst that can happen? This time next year, this time next week even, it would all be forgotten. Who Dares Wins, right?

    I take a couple of quid from the table next to ours—left as a tip, but who’s going to know?—and try my luck on another couple of machines. I get to $100,000 on “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire,” but crash and burn because I refuse to go 50-50. You couldn’t have staged it better if you’d tried. I’m positive American Psycho is set in L.A., and nonchalantly push the button despite Nick’s reservations.

    It’s New York.

    “I thought you’d at least get that one,” he laughs.

    Then things start to change—pretty quickly, as it happens. Gran Turismo the second time around is a disappointment. I’m suddenly more cautious, and finish way down the field. Not only that, I notice a security camera in the corner and think about the tip I’ve just pocketed. To be on the safe side, I decide to pay it back.

    Nick looks at his watch. I know what’s coming—he doesn’t need to tell me.

    “Still cooler than McNab?”

    I smile, and swig my beer. Psychopaths. They never stick around for long. As soon as the party’s over, they’re moving on to the next one—with scant regard for the future, and even less for the past.

    And this one—the one, I guess, that was me for twenty minutes—was no exception. He’d had his fun. And got a free drink out of it. But now that the experiment was history, he was suddenly on his way, hitting the road and heading out of town.

    Hopefully, quite some distance away.

    I certainly didn’t want him showing up in the hotel bar later, where I was meeting Andy. They’d either get on great. Or wouldn’t get on at all.

    To be perfectly honest, I didn’t know which was scarier.”

  30. …And for what it’s worth, some of y’all need to read less. I’m serious. 90% doing and experiencing, 10% reading and begin influenced overly by outside thoughts.

    One thing I used to ask yareally constantly, was what he thought, and not what anyone else said. Gotta have independent thoughts based on experience.

    I don’t disagree. For some.

    I actually get out and do a lot with that 90% all my life. I pack 30% actions and doing into a life that others just amble along with. And I usually have 3 1/2 hours of intriguing conversation with my buddy every two weeks, without a dull moment, talking about reference experience. And I have two other buddies that because of my reference experiences and collaboration with them over the last 18 months have seen them entirely reconstruct their lives in a Red Pill fashion and have transformed themselves, their lives and their significant others with Red Pill superpowers. It’s an awesome sight to see.

    You can ask me what I think anytime, and I won’t be afraid to tell you based on reference experiences. Who cares where those reference experiences came from? From actions or thoughts, from books or from managing a business, interacting with 30 people a day, every day for 30 years, from hunting, fishing, farming, lifting weights (That reminds me, I better go lift right now…), shooting, mountain biking, kayaking, photography to hang on the wall, plus a myriad of other hobbies, plus socializing at the country club and spending lots of time with my wife when I want to.. All with my sixty hours of free time per week when I’m not working or sleeping.

  31. @scribs

    Feel better dude? Bashing Blax like that…feel good punching smaller and weaker than you? He’s a sensitive guy who may just have an existential crisis if you keep abusing him like that…

    Now go read Rugby his bedtime story and tuck him in…

  32. Fleezer has changed in the few years I’ve been here. He’s on point now, stopped the “HULK SMASH!” verbage.

    I questioned, initially, why he posted at all. What has he to gain here?Something’s changed for the better in him and that’s reflected in his tone since 2016. He has a sense of humor now.

    He’s not telling us something. He doesn’t need to either.

    I never did buy Fleezer abuses women. I talked trash early on too and had some of it moderated out.

    Regarding women who like the rough stuff….you’d never know it. They’ll never tell so SJF doesn’t have a say, not would he want to anyways, so why bring it up?

    Would I question my adult daughter bringing a Fleezer over?

    No. I don’t give a rat’s ass who she’s dating. If I’ve done my job shell choose an Alpha, he’ll take care of business and she’ll follow along, serve him, she’ll get pregnant and be a mom and sunrise-sunset.

    IDK, perhaps I’m simplifying this RP stuff.

  33. Eh – your comment:

    ““women are not being held accountable enough” ….. That’s cart before horse thinking. If men are at the point of holding women accountable, then we’ve already taken care of our own
    masculine house. At that point the women will fall into line naturally.”

    You are in fact agreeing with me Eh. Taking care of the psychic drains upon one’s own masculinity (and by extension, these tend to be the same drains that are promoted within our culture), …. of course that is job 1. That is what I have been saying all along.

    What is one of of the said major drains upon masculinity that I have spoken of alot? It’s this very retarded faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play false definition of masculinity.

    Eh – your further comment:

    “And saying you’re not gonna tolerate them spoiled bitchez anymore IS playing their game, pumping your energy into that distraction from your freedom of mind and spirit. ….Wildman, women want to be led. It’s you, not them.”

    Yes. Women want to be led to a certain degree. But not led like children are best led. It’s a matter of degree. You must recognize that self-agency is a capacity that is alive and well within healthy adult females, albeit colored as it is around women’s concerns for security, and women’s tendency towards emphasizing emotionality. So ….. grasping the actual psychic facts …. how are you gonna lead when circumstances call one towards this task? Enforce the requirement (your own personal masculine requirement) for female responsibility for the decisions they make around personal interactions. Now Eh – women tend not to like this when they first experience it, and tend to get bitchy …. but that is their drama and not mine.

  34. SJF – “psychopathic in a good way”.

    Look – there is no such thing. Drop it already. Psychopathy is a deficiency (depsite Dutton having a bromance with the idea. ….. Dutton is an idiot). His transcranial magnetic stimulation reference actually makes the point. Like being drunk (without the attendant deficiencies occurring elsewhere in the brain).

    This celebration of psychopathy that is occurring on so many fronts within our culture is stupid, sick and degenerate.

  35. Scribblerg is spot-on, above, with regards to his analysis of the British immigration issue, Obama’s duplicity, and the true intentions of the globalist interests represented by the like of Soros.

    So ….. don’t fall into the trap of throwing away the actual message with the tone of the message. Not sure why Scribblerg has got tonality issues.

  36. Hey Wild Man,

    There you go again chasing your own tail.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/l4pSTZlXfqSl1vlny/giphy.gif

    It’s this very retarded faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play false definition of masculinity.

    You just made that up out of Straw.

    No one’s talking faux, wannabe or fantasy except you. Why is that? Wait, never mind, I know why….

    Some of us mean authentic, congruent and genuine masculine purpose.

    Yes. Women want to be led to a certain degree. But not led like children are best led. It’s a matter of degree.

    No it’s not. You are putting barriers up to masculine/feminine polarity.

    http://daystar.ac.ke/shine/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/give-up.jpg

    http://www.masculinity-movies.com/articles/the-three-stages-of-david-deida

  37. @All – Look at the posing from SJF and Blax.

    @SJF – Fleeze has recounted assaults here, and recommends doing so all the time. Your blindness to it is quite revealing of something about you, not me, SJF. You make common cause with scum and ignore it, that’s on you buddy. In the real world, I deal with scumbags like Fleeze with a baseball bat…and have. Like you touch a woman under my protection the way he does, I’ll stove your fucking head in and bury you in backwoods up here where nobody will ever find you. Period. So, you all can carry on pretending that he’s not an animal. But just know that makes you shit. Fyi, doesn’t mean that Fleeze doesn’t say some shit that is accurate or interesting sometimes. Both can be true, amazingly…But he’s scum. For sure.

    As for Blax, hey – he attempted to claim Trump was destroying a free press here the way Stalin and others did. I merely showed what a completely fact free assertion that is. Based on editors from the Washington Post and Columbia journalism standards and reviews which show definitively that Barack Obama was horrendous on free speech, much more like Nixon than any other. According to hard core leftists and experts in journalism.

    Blax’s response? More posing, lol. Claims me skewering his pseudo-intellectual pose is evidence of hypocrisy. Hey Blax – wake the fuck up. You’ve never won an argument with me, ever. Over and over again, you reveal your political views to superficial memes with little actual thought or meaning. And I skewer you. Easy way to stop it from happening – stop running your mouth about shit you haven’t bothered to learn anything about. Such as freedom of the press under various POTUSs, shitbird.

    And get it – many here following along see how stupid you are, bunky. How simple. How unsophisticated. Try focusing on topics you actually study before running your yap. You’d come off much better..

  38. Wildman.

    Psychic drains? Plug that hole. No one but yourself is responsible for that. Look into the mirror again.

    Your comment re: women want to be led…to a degree. Total BP, beta tell. You’ve got zero leadership chops saying that, obviously.

    I admit, I eat what she serves me and wear what she cleans. She’s in charge in the kitchen and laundry. If that’s where your going, ok. because if not, then we’re not agreeing.

    This isn’t a matter of pithy rhetorical nuance. Feel free defining the world as you please.

    Tonight, I’ll be served dinner and sleep with my wife in clean sheets. Proof positive RP works. Good enough.

    Not surprised some guys rather talk about getting laid. Talk’s cheap.

    “psychic energy drain”

    I’m back in the undergrad dorms hearing that. Stupid on stilts.

  39. Millennia of world history. One shitty ideology and 10 bad guys.

    Sure.

    Pendulum always remain stationary.

  40. Eh – your latest comment – shallow, man. I’m sure you want more out of life than your creature comforts taken care of – eh? The creature comforts are largely besides the point in this life, in this realm.

  41. Hey Blax – wake the fuck up. You’ve never won an argument with me, ever.

    Yeah, so? Almost nobody agrees with Blax’s political views. Why do you get bent out of shape about it? Just use Blax as a lolcow like I do and chill.

  42. “Your blindness to it is quite revealing of something about you, not me, SJF. You make common cause with scum and ignore it, that’s on you buddy.”

    I’ll tell you what it reveals about me: I have a lot of self discipline. I am low on Dark Triad traits and score low on psychopathic traits. And/But self discipline is not self-suppression.

    I admit I am blind to why my comments set you off. I do judge Fleezer as not being scum, but that’s just my opinion. He’s just another commenter on the internet.

    I’m not sadistic. I’ve never intentionally hit a women and I have little motive to do so. There’s no worry about me touching a woman the way you don’t want me too. I’ve seen very few to zero opportunities for me to do so in the last 30 years.

    Oh, and I wouldn’t let you come home with my daughter either.

  43. SJF – no original thought from you – ever. Constant reactivity. Constant quoting others, to make a point, you don’t even understand. Par for the course. There is no point in interacting with you because you are not capable of holding up your end. You post alot here, almost completely just hot air. You not even blowing smoke buddy. More like flatulence. I’ll try to continue to ignore despite the heavy odor.

  44. Scrub

    Lol. I’ve never bothered to argue with you. You’re delusional. I ” read ” you ( look it up ). You care deeply about the political/ideological nonsense because it is all that you have in life. Ya got nothing but words. Lots and lots of empty angry infantile words.

    See? I’m not ” arguing ” with you. Maybe you should read more books on.arguments.

    Lol, you’re too dense and mentally Cucked up to see that I use your dumb ass for target practice. I can bait you into regurgitating the same old tired and simple shit constantly, so that it becomes blatantly apparent to all who you are.

    I type a sentence, you respond: a) insult b) leftist c) communism d ) read this book e) Obama f) it’s funny to me g) if you really want to know h) intellectually i) my hb9 j) bareback anal k) fuck her like the dirty shore she is l) protect all women all the time m) alpha like me.

    That’s all you got. It’s all you have repeatedly said for years. Hell, me and 10 other commentors here could write your responses for you at this point. Same old silly bi,- polar drivel.

    The best advertisement is for you to keep on doing and saying exactly what you are doing and saying. And you will. Like a dung beetle rolling shit uphill. That beetle thinks that ball of shit is the most important thing in the world.

    Insert meme here.

  45. Creature comforts is 95% of life.

    You’re not smashing life, let alone the basics, so you intellectualize your failures by buffering sex, food and clean clothes as shallow creature comforts.

    I’m no more happy today than when I was poor, married, one bedroom apt and kids at my ankles.

    Allow me to live my life, as I let you yours.

  46. Asd

    Fyi, a few billion people agree with my ” political views “. It’s a big 🌎. You can isolate yourself and pretend, but it doesn’t ever change reality for long.

    Ideologies change and eventually die when they can no longer be sustained. That’s why I don’t call you ” Massa “.

    ✌✌✌

  47. @ Blaximus
    April 16, 2018 at 6:18 am

    A lot of what is going on here is that some men are playing life on defense instead of offense.

    Like Wildman tilting at the windmills that are attacking him.

    And that can only take you so far.

    OFFENSE VS DEFENSE IN THE GAME OF LIFE
    Will Freemen / April 16, 2018

    https://revolutionarylifestyledesign.com/offense-vs-defense-game-life/

    Analyzing whats making you unhappy, being present with it and looking at it to take the charge out of the negative emotions are useful defensive tactics when something is bothering you.

    Re-framing negative emotions is a terrific tactic, but again, by the time you’re wrestling with negative emotions and psychic pain.. you’re playing defense.

    I want your offense to be so good, that you’re on the defensive as little as possible.

    That means making the structural changes to create the lifestyle you want.

    Lets say you get stuck up and stabbed by some dumb thug. You are now seriously on the defensive in the worst way possible. You’re fighting for your life. You could stay with the moment, and be present, and feel the sensations of the knife in your body…

    But that’s probably not the best idea. The best idea is to take action by taking the knife out and going on the offensive as fast and ferociously as possible until you either open enough room to run away or neutralize your attacker.

    Ideally you want to run from an attack before it happens, or strike first and strike hard. Because the time you’re playing defense, you’re in big trouble.

    The reality is, in life, just as in sports, the best defense is a good offense.

  48. “SJF – no original thought from you – ever.”

    Wildman,

    I’m not being facetious when I state that all of my Red Pill Understanding and Awareness is derivative (something that is based on another source). From the manosphere over the last five years. So what? So what if it is not original thought? Does that matter? What matters is what use you put it to. You might be bored by it because you are fighting a battle with your soul and mind. You know something is not right and you can’t put your finger on it. You keep commenting like you are swimming against the tide.

    What I have done is use it as a toolbox in my Reconstruction. I’ve integrated it and made structural changes that benefit me and those around me. It’s good stuff and I think life is beautiful.

    You’d be surprised how red pill and the larger Game allows one to smash it in real life. But then again, you wouldn’t know. You appear to not even want to unplug. You are sitting in the waiting room not even entering the Emergency Triage proper.

  49. Lots of aggressive comments. Coming off the weekend too.

    How y’all spending your free time?

    I suggest more fucking.

    Irony: I’m the twerpiest guy here and have been in the most fights in the last few years. There’s something to a good natured donnybrook.

    I was wresting my boys this weekend. Got my ass handed to me. At one point I thought to push my oldest around. He’s got me by 10# and almost broke my wrist. I think they all went easy one me. Time to hang it up.

  50. culum – precisely…

    again… kid goes to college, graduates, and returns to find out how damn smart his dad got in the last four years while he was gone…

  51. Eh – you latest comment – “Creature comforts is 95% of life.” At one level of perspective, that is not wrong, but shallow nevertheless. I don’t think you are getting my point yet. I said “I’m sure you want more out of life than your creature comforts taken care of – eh? The creature comforts are largely besides the point in this life, in this realm.”

    Quoting Jordan Peterson:

    “We don’t act like we live in the material reality. We act like we face a landscape of potential ….. an external landscape of potential …..with an internal reservoir of potential.”

    He is right – yes?

    The potentialities JP speaks of are the underlying patterns pointed out by Darwinianism. The patterns play out in what we call the material realm. Accrual of creature comforts is one of the material outcomes of successful negotiations of said potentials. But nevertheless, said accrual is besides the point. Because, more accurately, we are in the potentialities business.

    Now, if you focus on the game field (the material realm), but discount the game itself (negotiating potentialities), you might end up with points of view like this one of yours:

    “Your comment re: women want to be led…to a degree. Total BP, beta tell. You’ve got zero leadership chops saying that, obviously.”

    If you can’t see female potentiality, as a irreducible correlate of masculine potentiality, …. two poles of the same polarity ….. you are probably mistaking the game field for the game itself.

    Look – there is no evidence whatsoever that female self-agency is less willful than the masculine variety. This hasn’t been well-studied, but … take the Milgram experiments for instance – showed up no normative gender differences. We should definitely study this more, ….. but the pathways to that study within academia seems to be blocked …. for some reason. I dunno for sure, but one speculation is that there are powers that be that prefer that you continue to mistake the game field for the game itself.

  52. OT but I’ve had a lot of old friends asking me about why feminists and SJWs keep pushing their way in to traditionally male nerd culture when most of them aren’t even going to buy the product they convince companies they need to sanitize of “misogyny” and “sexism”. I even had one ask me “Why do these women obsessed with ‘safe spaces’ keep trying to push in to what amounts to traditional male ‘safe spaces’?” Cue pushing them over to Rollo’s article on that exact subject.

    The strange part to me though is that a lot of this push involves co-opting things that should be a strictly business decision, subjecting them to SocJus “feelz before realz”, then watching to the surprise of absolutely no one in the target demographic as yet another dumpster fire ensues. For instance, this latest particularly egregious example:

    https://g33kp0rn.wordpress.com/2018/04/13/bully-hunters-did-i-not-say-it-wasnt-going-to-end-well/

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/steelseries/our-statement-on-bullyhunters/10156227670083808/

    They’ve managed to fuck up Marvel Comics so bad that Marvel has had to walk back completely SocJusing almost its entire lineup, because for some unexpected reason white male comic book fans don’t give a shit about “diversity”. They fucked up a Ghostbusters reboot so badly that the franchise probably will never see the light of day again. They managed to fuck Star Wars of all brands up so badly now that Disney of all companies will ultimately lose money on their purchase of it… likely to the tune of a couple BILLION. As in with a B.

    @Rollo you obviously know brand management. Why are companies giving in to a business decision that is clearly tarnishing and in some cases completely destroying established brands that should be printing money? I understand the stupidity of individuals where they can’t possibly see the consequences to their own life, but these are business decisions that have backfired repeatedly and very publicly. The data is there. Leaning SocJus/feminist is genuinely bad for business if your target demographic is male. Even Beta males like most nerds are. What explains businesses self-destructing to set themselves alight on the pyre of intersectional feminism?

  53. “there is no evidence whatsoever that female self-agency is less willful than the masculine variety. ”

    Double negative willful varieties all you want, Wildman.

    It’s not going make your dick bigger.

  54. ” Fleeze has recounted assaults here, and recommends doing so all the time.”

    FR: daytime assault

    day. public space on private property. posted: “children under 18 must be supervised at all times”

    some little unsupervised cunt, maybe 9 y.o., can’t control her fucking huge dog and her fat piece of shit unsupervised older brother, maybe 12, is doing random property damage. a ladyfriend host and I are minding our own business, when these piece of shit kids get into our faces because they dont’ respect anything

    I iced this little cunt out. i gave her the fucking, “i’m goiing to rip your fucking head off right here” glare and she took off. I didn’t say a word, or make a movement. witnesses would say absolutely nothing happened but it was indeed my full intent to assault her because i hated her fucking face

    five minutes later she comes back with her dad and a small audience. dad’s a big fucker. bigger, stronger and probably tougher than me. he charges up on us like he knows what’s up.

    he confronts me about threating his little girl. first i ignored him. that really pissed him off. then i acknowledged him and told him, “I’d love for you to call the cops. Go ahead.” at this point I glare at the fat fuck son who had been doing all the damage to private property. did I rat him out to his superbeta dad? nope. exchange goes on. I shred the dad in front of the kids who thought they were going to see their big badass dad put that fucker in his place. oops. kids walk away. i finish dealing with dad. he retreats. total beta. he wouldn’t even defend his own 9 y.o. daughter againt a total fucking psycho. what a pussy.

    maybe a week later I see the fucking kids again near the same locale. guess what? they fucking RAN their asses off as soon as they saw me. my friend looked at me and said something like, “they remember you”. think her pussy was wet?

    Point of FR: you’re fucking a right I’ll assault a nine year old girl if she’s a little cunt who needs to be bitch slapped

    you are the douche who will defend that same ill-mannered cunt when she’s 20, just like her beta daddy does

    you are a white knight of the highest fucking order and it’s disgusting to witness

    “In the real world, I deal with scumbags like Fleeze with a baseball bat…and have.”

    dude. you would never know I am what I am in the real world. do you really think i would let anyone diagnose me, or ever ever admit the truth? for mensa level iq you’re dumb as fuck

    “Like you touch a woman under my protection the way he does, I’ll stove your fucking head in and bury you in backwoods up here where nobody will ever find you. Period.”

    you would only find out about it after I was done with said woman under your protection because when it’s going on you can bet your ass she likes it

    is a hickey abuse?

    how about bite marks?

    how about bruises from restraints?

    do i apply to you to get permission for foreplay?

    “So, you all can carry on pretending that he’s not an animal”

    homo sapien sapien. animal.

    “But he’s scum. For sure.”

    and this is why the mano will always generate incorrect conclusions:

    people self-censor their posts because of self-appointed morality thugs like you

    the only guys that can call the fight are the two guys fighting

    there is no ref in life so stop trying to be one

  55. Eh – go take a look at the Milgram stuff for yourself. There is a 2015 movie about it too (the Experimenter). Food for thought. What could it hurt – why not give yourself a looksee.

  56. “If you can’t see female potentiality, as a irreducible correlate of masculine potentiality, …. two poles of the same polarity ….. you are probably mistaking the game field for the game itself.”

    If you put a gun to my head and asked me what that meant, I’d be a goner. Even after I did a Google search for wtf “irreducible correlate” philosopho-babble is.

    All you fucking do, over, and over and over is argue for egalitarian equalism.

    Do you even like Red Pill?

  57. he confronts me about threating his little girl. first i ignored him. that really pissed him off. then i acknowledged him and told him, “I’d love for you to call the cops. Go ahead.” at this point I glare at the fat fuck son who had been doing all the damage to private property. did I rat him out to his superbeta dad? nope. exchange goes on. I shred the dad in front of the kids who thought they were going to see their big badass dad put that fucker in his place. oops. kids walk away. i finish dealing with dad. he retreats. total beta. he wouldn’t even defend his own 9 y.o. daughter againt a total fucking psycho. what a pussy.

    Respect… respect. Lines must be drawn. We all have limits. Few enforce theirs. when ush does come to shove I’d rather be the one pushing and shoving.

    even in small ways, enforcing boundaries will make you grow. In a take out place today, 20YO guy rings me up. Overcharges me a dollar. Tells me “sorry man” like , my bad, you are out a dollar and I’m not doing anything. I laughed at him and told him to zero it out and start over. Then I told his boss to train this kid on the menu and on how to refund card charges. He comes over… I tel the guy, now this is good, this is a learning experience for you. Gave me a dollar cash.

    My bad my ass…

  58. ” Tells me “sorry man” like , my bad, you are out a dollar and I’m not doing anything.”

    before I got my first job at the sandwich place, the owner made get a 100% on his “how to make change” test before he would even think about hiring me

    then later I worked for some corporate shitbags, who had a policy that let me off on my cash drawer accounting by a certain percentage. of course i always made perfect change and pocketed the margin of error. i gave people tons of free shit too. for some reason, not one single person ever said, “son, there were a bunch of items that didn’t ring up”

    “I laughed at him and told him to zero it out and start over.”

    nice. i’d have let it slide because i’ve wasted way too many bucks to worry about another one. but at the same time I see your point and I’m going to start doing that now. especially if there is a long line, so that every person waiting after me gets even more pissed at that dumb shit who can’t push a button sequence that an orangutan could. why have a menu? why have pricing? why have anything if it’s just like, “sorry man. may bad”.

    “Then I told his boss to train this kid on the menu and on how to refund card charges.”

    this is the fucking problem. I don’t want to help raise other peoples moron kids. that’s the parents fucking job.

    i think most people are so fucking bad at parenting that the constitution is going to end up being void. we won’t have a fight over it. it’ll just be void because the entire country will be filled with fucking retards. is this what loss looks like? they’ve been in the schools for four decades and there is no sign that they are going to give any ground in that arena so it doesn’t matter how civic-minded and responsible everyone 50+ is because that’s the downslope. the only thing that matters is who is shaping the minds of the youth

    “He comes over… I tel the guy, now this is good, this is a learning experience for you. Gave me a dollar cash.”

    if everyone had dads like the OMGs, well…

    the mano probably wouldn’t exist

    and my guess would be that not so long ago, poorly behaved children weren’t disciplined. they were simplly sold, abandoned or eaten

  59. Sun WuKong, I think the SocJusing of companies is an example of groupthink. One feature of groupthink is the shunning and chasing away of dissidents, those who disagree. Pretty soon the group is an echo chamber, where someone can say “X is good, we need more X” and the echoes will come back “More X! Need more X!” Plus SJW’s tend to be a insecure and prone to bullying those that disagree, so they fit right in.

    Pretty soon any stimulus will trigger the required response with no thought involved at all.
    Stimulus -> programmed response. Company managers do not understand that what supports their business and what the SocJus wants are two very different things. When and if Marvel implodes the SJW’s will find some other company to feed off of, I have no doubt.

    Each time an SJW succeeds in outgrouping someone they get the dopamine hit and learn to do it more, do it better, next time. Until there’s no one left to outgroup, or until they get outgrouped themselves.

    That link you provided starts as a smouldering dumpster, then becomes a dumpster fire, then sets off another dumpster. It’s really funny but also very revealing how groupthink can work. Will gamers decide not to buy SteelSeries for a while? If it happened that would be a learning experience for the company. Stimulus – response…

  60. But some voters do know more than others. Republicans are better informed than Democrats, for example. And political ignorance discriminates by sex, too. Three-quarters of women score well below the male average on tests measuring knowledge of national politics. This particular gender gap is at least fifty years old, and it exists between men and women of equal education and income levels.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/04/kate-obeirne-women-politics-knowledge-19th-amendment/

    Sorry, Blax, old white men are better informed on political issues than young black women.

  61. Lol. You’re just as bad as scrub ( not really..). You only read ” certain ” articles to get information that jibes with your ideology. I don’t have a prblem with that really, until you trey to point me to shit like ” national review ” opinion pieces ( like assholes, those opinions ).

    But in other news, ” old white men ” are dropping like flies. Nice knowing ya asd.

  62. … but I will read the article because I’m not a slave to any ideology except the one that benefits me. Nothing is 100% foolproof, as fools can be quiet persistent.

  63. @Wild Man
    Quoting Jordan Peterson:

    “We don’t act like we live in the material reality. We act like we face a landscape of potential….. an external landscape of potential …..with an internal reservoir of potential.”

    He is right – yes?

    The potentialities JP speaks of are the underlying patterns pointed out by Darwinianism. The patterns play out in what we call the material realm. Accrual of creature comforts is one of the material outcomes of successful negotiations of said potentials. But nevertheless, said accrual is besides the point. Because, more accurately, we are in the potentialities business.,/b>

    I’m not sure which of his many talks this quote came from, so I can’t check the context, but I get a strong sense that you are missing the point here. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Peterson is accusing us of avoiding material reality by living in potentiality. Missing that point by discussing all of your alpha RP potential seems to be the epitome of irony. All of the rest of your heavily rationalized thoughts are just buffers to keep you typing at the screen instead of successfully engaging with humanity face to face.

    Even if I am wrong, and JP is urging use to focus on our potential in that passage, surely in the very next breath, he will admonish us to make our beds and then go outside and interact with material reality. After all, that is what a Real Man would do.

    Step away from the keyboard…

  64. Oh, ScriblerG white knighting his daughter ( by punking SJF and Fleezer) is him changing too.

    He’s trying to square his past attitudes toward women with the women of consequence in front of him, namely his daughter and granddaughter.

    When he dumps on Fleezer he’s dumping on himself as he did and said as much or worse (or better, heh). But that’s too incestuous an idea, too self-indicting, so he’s picking, IMO, unnecessary fights as a distraction, not for us, but himself.

    Projecting, in a way. Good on him. It’s a start.

  65. “Why don’t you have kids yet Fleeze?”

    active early, rarely protected, very irresponsible

    wife/bangs are adults and therefore fair game for posts

    man makes good sperm into his 80s+

    i like younger non moms

    i have a plan and i’m working it. many repressed phonies would call it the “meanest” and probably “most intentionally devious” thing they’d ever heard – gasp – outrage!!

    must be something to it then

  66. SJF – OK I’ll try one more time … different tack. From Heartiste’s post today:

    “children –> woman –> man –> God. It’s the natural order for a reason. …..Feel free to substitute Purpose for God if you’re the earthly-bound type”.

    CH is more or less right. Men are more-so concerned about how the world actually works, and women are more-so concerned about the status associated with getting that right, especially when that status might be focused so as to illuminate upon themselves personally. But that is different than saying women are not willful …. they are, but willful around differing concerns. Look – the relational diagram CH is pointing out here, works in this order as well:

    Children temper the concerns of women
    Women temper the concerns of men
    Men temper the so-called concerns of God, or Purpose (i.e. – meaning).

    So redpill, in communities such as this one, means gaining knowledge about how the gender dynamics, in particular, operate. If you fail to see that women are willful (even willfully avoidant of responsibilities stemming from their own self-agency, if given the opportunity for that ‘out’), you are not really seeing the realities of the gender dynamics.

    Egalitarian equalism: I noticed Rollo switched to that term, from ‘egalitarian’ alone, after I pointed out how rhetorically twisted the original meaning of egalitarianism has become in the common vernacular, much earlier on here. The new term is better, with respect to Rollo pointing out what redpill reveals as a lie. But it is still not good enough. Here’s why:

    Egalitarianism is actually about the recognition that we all share a commonality with everyone else ……. and that commonality is the existential conundrum ….. existence is ordered in a way that appears to be almost completely devoid of meaning ….. yet we are designed (probably by way of the non-design of Darwinian fitness selection), to seek meaning nevertheless. In this way we are ‘all equal in the eyes of God’. Everybody knows they, personally, just like everyone else, are gonna die. But what each person does with that knowledge is what is particularly of interest.

    The Enlightenment ideas, such as ……. ‘all men are created equal in the eyes of God’, is just another way of saying ….. ‘we are all immersed in the great Mystery, yet we all possess the power to understand that this is our condition, and therefore possess the power to choose pathways that enhance that understanding, … potential pathways paved with the spirit of humility and not hubris, …. that may allow us a journey marked by the sublime, if we choose wisely.’

    Now if one embraces the true egalitarian ethos, which is tantamount to reaching the logical conclusion that everybody else has the same existential problem as oneself, then as such, one can find solace in that (existential empathy), and can use the knowledge that supports that solace (as well as the emotive aspect of the solace itself) to face that which everyone fears. And ….. to reckon with those fears is the crucible that cooks the recipe encoded in humanity that leads to an understanding of merit, which is the backbone upon which the western ethos has been built, …. and that is the very best description of what alpha is (a most accomplished practitioner of said ethos, as such, – a meritorious man). But note, the employment of merit does not have much if anything in common with the idea of equal outcomes for all, which is the way egalitarianism has been incorrectly defined, rhetorically twisted to suit the agenda of twisted parties, which are more or less the very same parties that are vehemently opposed to redpill, Personally, I don’t think our redpill pundits should go along with that twisting. Instead they should call it out.

  67. a man could take what he learned in the mano and knock up thousands of ovulating females already in beta ltrs

    that’s if spreading his seed according to the prime directive without investing anything at all in the rearing process were agreeable to him

    a man can run pretty much any kind of game he can dream up these days

  68. @ fleezer

    “a man can run pretty much any kind of game he can dream up these days”

    Agreed, but when your son is in your arms or he looks at you and you see you in him…a lot of those options are out the door.

  69. See? You don’t know shit about major cities, that you haven’t read somewhere.

    Then there’s the agenda angle to consider as well.

    Detroit’s mismatched votes

    Here is a breakdown of the irregularities in Detroit’s 662 precincts:

    ■236 precincts in balance — equal numbers of voters counted by workers and machines

    ■248 precincts with too many votes and no explanation (77 were 1 over; 62 were 2 over, 37 were 3 over, 20 were 4 over, 52 were 5 or more over).

    ■144 precincts with too few votes and no explanation (81 were 1 under, 29 were 2 under; 19 were 3 under; 7 were 4 under; 8 were 5 or more under)

    ■34 precincts out of balance but with an explanation

    Source: Wayne County Clerk’s Office

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHyTZUox_h8&w=854&h=480%5D

  70. ” Oh, ScriblerG white knighting his daughter ( by punking SJF and Fleezer) is him changing too….”

    Scrib has always been the biggest white knight on these boards forever.

    Remember Emily? Lol. I used to count down once she would post, to how long before scrub would show up admonishing us for being overly mean towards her. You would hear a word from scrib for weeks, the she showed up and he wasn’t far behind.

    It was hilarious. To me anyway.

  71. @ Blax,

    I came aboard about then. I didn’t find it hilarious, more odd and low ROI for Scrib and those who’d get dragged into his undertow.

    Guys who post out of line are banned. Scrib hasn’t been banned, yet, as perhaps as he’s found you to reflect his arguments and he feels then validated. You are a ying to his yang…irrelevant of the content.

    IMO, your time is spent more powerfully elsewhere. That’s supposed to be a compliment. I’m not good at compliments.

  72. “all men are created equal” ….. men”.

    Eh – look at the Milgram stuff and then tell me if this existential quandary applies to women as well (i.e – perhaps it applies be way of women’s similar capacity, vis-a-vis men, for self-agency, is my point).

    Nevertheless, you are pointing out an important consideration. Women are so into the submitting thing, that, from what I have noticed, on the existential front, women are therefore more-so prone to submitting to some false idea about God (which is a concept that is actually beyond the limited capacity of human conception), and it turns out that said existential submission isn’t about humility at all, but about existential self-importance (sorta like an existential insurance policy). Now some men, who are religious, do this as well, but it is more common among women. So there is that – I will give you that. Women do need to be led to some degree, as I stated earlier. The existential stuff is certainly not their forte.

  73. Blax, why do you have trouble linking your quotes? Do you want us to confirm your evidence or not? And why do you have to throw up a red herring? Try to stay on point and stop distracting.

    Considering that Trump won 7% of the black vote nationwide, isn’t it a little strange that he didn’t win a single vote in 59 Philadelphia precincts, which amounted to over 19,000 votes, without even a single voting error producing a vote for Trump? Not even one mistake. Not by a single, solitary voter. Perfect voting for Her Rotten Cunt. hehe

    Statistical analysis says this is impossible.

    Touch-screen machines can occasionally fail or register votes for unintended candidates..

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/10/30/voting.machines/

    Oh shit, I used that far-right source, CNN.

    Blax, you realize that most people here can see through your ad hominems, right?

  74. asd

    I never look for anybody to confirm anything for me. Lol. Especially when ” they ” will NEVER have any view or opinion other than the one they currently hold and cling to as a part of their core identity. That shit is old and tired. Time my friend, Time.

    I heard 8% of African Americans voted for Trump. So?

    I don’t know one Black Person who voted for Trump. Not One. And I’ve been black longer than you’ve been reading articles and studies about black people.

  75. I ain’t looking at no Milgram, so don’t be dumb. Grow up to bigger things, kid.

    Like I do, as in drinking wine after scratch kale cabbage soup and satueed asparagus.

    For dessert I’ll stare at my wife’s ass as she puts a venison roast in the slow cooker.

  76. I don’t know one Black Person who voted for Trump. Not One.

    Maybe you do and don’t know it. Maybe some black men won’t tell you that they voted for Trump. I suspect that he did better among black men than among black women.

    So I suspect that your reasoning is perhaps a little flawed. And it’s obvious that you feel threatened by this.

    I never look for anybody to confirm anything for me. Lol.

    “Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact will be confirmed.” Or have you discarded the Bible along with religion?

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