Instinct, Emotion and Reason

Before I dig in here today I want to give credit where it’s due. I was inspired to consider what I’m about to go into here by a quick-hit Tweet from Illimitable Man. I didn’t bookmark it so I apologize for not linking it here today, but the general gist of it was about the mental processes humans go through when we’re presented with environmental stimuli that demands interpretation and a behavioral response. I considered this process quite a bit while I was studying behavioral psychology – Instinct, Emotion and Reason (or rationality if you prefer) – and I’m almost embarrassed that I haven’t covered this in terms of a Red Pill perspective in over 600 essays now.

The idea is fairly simple; when we are prompted by environmental (and sometimes internal) stimuli human beings process this information using three psychological mechanisms – our primal instincts, our emotional interpretations and our rational (reason) facilities. I’m not sure these processes get their proper due in Red Pill theory today.  I’ve detailed all of these processes individually for years on this blog, but generally they were outlined in the context of whatever topic I was focusing on. In this essay I’m going to elaborate on these aspects individually. Later, as part of this series, I’ll explore how they act in concert for our overall cognitive process, and then how they influence intersexual and intersocial dynamics. I think this is a useful exercise because a lot of foundational Red Pill ideas stem from these processes as well as the social conventions and interpretive priorities the Feminine Imperative relies on today.

For sake of clarity I am going to use a few behavioral psych terms like stimuli in this essay. This isn’t to throw $10 words at you, it’s just easier to elaborate on these processes with abstract terms. For example, when I use stimuli I mean any physical, environmental or cognitive prompt that our conscious or unconscious mind demands an interpretation, processing of and response to. That can be a wide variety of things so, stimuli serves as a general term.

Lastly, the following here is my interpretation of these processes. While a lot of this will align pretty well with established theories, this is my take on them and not some official, settled science of facts. If you think I’m full of shit please tell me why, this is still a work in progress for me.

Instinct

Instinct seems like the easiest of these processes to understand, but it’s really the cognitive aspect that’s most misunderstood, marginalized and often demonized. The reason for this is because our instincts reside in our subconscious (hindbrain) processing of stimuli. When I refer to men or women’s evolved mental firmware in my essays it’s our instinctual process that I’m referring to. These are the unlearned, inborn aspects of our human nature that influence the other processes and remain largely in our subconscious. Our instinctual processing is a direct result of our evolution. It evolved as a vitally necessary aspect of our cognitive processing in that it aided in our ability to survive in, and adapt to, a chaotic, primal environment when food was scarce, predators and rivals wanted us dead, and reproductive opportunities and raising a child to a survivable age were at a premium.

There are a lot of examples of our instinct level processing and each instinctual response triggers more complex processing up the cognitive chain through emotion and reason. If we were presented with a dangerous stimuli (a sabertooth tiger) our instinctual process triggers a fight or flight response physically in our bodies (adrenaline release). Needless to say this was an evolved adaptation that served our species well and was passed along genetically as part of our mental firmware. I’m going to use some simplistic examples here but, if you really want to dig into our preloaded mental firmware and how we developed it I would suggest looking into the earlier works of Dr. Steven Pinker and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley (I’ll post links in the comments).

Another example is human beings’ innate fear (reservations at least) of snakes and spiders – poisonous animals that looked easy to kill, but could kill humans without warning. That’s an example of relatively beneficial firmware, but the reason instinct gets a bad rep is due to the instincts that once were beneficial to us individually, but are less beneficial to us socially. Greed and gluttony were very practical, instinctually motivated behaviors that stemmed from a need to survive in a time when resources were scarce. Today greed is (mostly) seen as anti-social and a compulsion to overeat in a time when food is abundant is why we presently have an obesity epidemic.

Those are easily understood examples, but where things get more complex is in how our instinctual process influences the other processes (emotion and reason). Instinct gets demonized because in our ‘enlightened‘ era we like to believe that instinct is more trouble than it is beneficial. Most of that is due to a belief that our other processes are superior to (or at least should supersede) our instincts. Most of what we call sin or immoral behavior is motivated by the instinctual process. In fact, the only time our instinctual awareness and reactions are really credited with anything positive is when it gets us out of some life threatening situation or it leads to some prosocial outcome. For instance, the male instinct to protect women by putting ourselves between them and danger; that’s an instinct and resultant behavior (seemingly altruistic male self-sacrifice) that gets a lot of praise in our feminine-primary social order. However, for the most part, we tend to judge ‘baser instincts’ as a net negative.

The truth about the instinctual process is that none of our other processes function at full efficiency without it. Today, as a result of our feminine-primary acculturation, we want to relegate instinct’s influence to something “we’ve evolved beyond”. The popular consensus is we’ve raised ourselves above base instincts by either acknowledging the importance of the emotional process or that rationality and the self-control based on it immunizes us from its influence. Not only are these belief foolish and hubristic, they’re provably untrue. When it comes to concepts like the ‘selfish gene‘ and the physical differences in the evolved instinctual processes of men and women, it becomes necessary for a social order based on blank-slate equalism to demonize and marginalize the influence of, and behaviors attributed to, instinct.

The survival benefits and behaviors that make up the instinctual process were so necessary that they had to become part of our unconscious species firmware. Because the instinctual process is part of our animalistic hindbrain mental subroutines it’s something we have little or no direct control over until its effect is brought (often forced) into our conscious awareness. As such, and because we prefer to think of ourselves as emotional and rational beings, we tend to think of the influence of instinct as something we either have or need to have mastery over, and to a large extent this mastery makes sense. The truth is that instinct is an aspect of ourselves that needs to be controlled as well as embraced depending on circumstances.

Emotion

From an evolutionary perspective, the emotional process of interpreting stimuli is a mechanism of how our brains and biochemistry interact to affect our moods, demeanor and ’emotionality’ in response to both instinctual cues and the raw information of stimuli itself. Furthermore, the emotional process can also be influenced and/or modified by the rational process. I’m trying to be concise here, but our emotional response to information/stimuli is very much an evolved dynamic with latent purposes and practical functionalities. I’m making this distinction here because for millennia we’ve raised the effects of emotion to a mythical, metaphysical, importance.

While emotion often has immediate effects on us, emotion also has long term effect with regard to the stimuli it processes. There are dozens of definitions of emotions and there’s no way I’m going to lay them all out for you here. However, popular psychology asserts that there are as many as ten and as few as six base emotions:

  • Anger.
  • Disgust.
  • Fear.
  • Happiness.
  • Sadness.
  • Surprise.

Sometimes Contempt is added to this list. If these seem overly simplistic they are, again, abstracts to build more complex emotions on (some paleo-researchers insist there are only four base emotions across our evolved ethno-histories). For our purposes these base emotions will serve to show the connections between the instinctual process which prompts them and the rational process that modifies and sometimes informs them.

Each of these emotional responses is prompted by how our senses, brain and then instinctual process interprets a stimuli. Again, using our sabertooth tiger example, the instinctual process determines imminent danger and triggers a synaptic and hormonal response to that danger. As a result of that instinctual process an emotional process and response is triggered – likely fear (flight in most cases), but sometimes anger (fight).

Another example: you see an arousing woman (stimuli) at a party who is displaying behavioral cues and environmental indicators of interest (IOIs). Your instinctual process determines a high potential for a reproductive opportunity. From there the emotional process kicks in: hormones and dopamine (and not a small testosterone spike) that your instinctual process triggered flushes your system and serves as the basis for your emotional process to form an emotional response to the same stimuli. If it all passes the smell test that response (hopefully) will be happiness (and a little surprise mixed in).

There is a visceral biochemical interrelation between emotion and the stimuli/instinct relation that prompts the reaction. Adrenaline is one easy example, another is oxytocin or the “love hormone”. This is a bit of a mischaracterization of the hormone. Oxytocin induces feelings of trust and comfort and is thought to be a significant factor in human’s forming pair bonds and parental investments. There’s a lot more to oxytocin’s implications to our evolution than that, but for now lets look at how our biology influences the emotional process.

We proceed from stimuli to an instinctual response. If there is nothing mitigating that response (such as a rationally learned buffer to mitigate it) the next step in the chain is a biological reaction to that instinct – such as dumping adrenaline into our bloodstream or a post-orgasm flush of oxytocin after sex. From there the emotional process picks up the interpretation of this information as prompted by the cocktail of chemicals moving through our bloodstream and affecting our mental and physical interpretation of that stimuli. That biochemical factor prompts one, or a combination, of the base emotions listed above.

From there more complex emotions (feelings) and combinations thereof begin to form an emotional interpretation and response. This emotional response can be anything from a fast, reflexive one to a more nuanced and contemplative one. Furthermore, this emotional interpretation and response can also be modified by our rational mental process as well as our gendered capacity to process emotions. One thing to bear in mind about our emotional process is that it can imprint its interpretations into our ‘hard memory’ – sometimes so significantly that the memory of that stimuli can re-trigger that physical and emotional response.

Gender-modified interpretation of our emotion process is an important aspect to consider in Red Pill praxeology and one I’ll be elaborating on in the next part of this series. Until recently the accepted ‘science‘ about our emotional process has been based on a blank-slate equalist approach to emotion. In fact we still suffer from the outdated presumptions of academia that both men and women process emotion in the same manner, and, in theory, ought to be expected to have an equal capacity to interpret, respond and express emotion. In light of new technology and new research in a variety of interrelated disciplines we know this is old presumption is patently untrue. Men and women have different mental hardware and are born with different mental firmware. Both sexes interpret and process emotion in gender-specific manners.

I’ll be getting into the personal and social implications that the legacy of this (deliberate) misunderstanding presents in the next essay. For now it’s important to consider that human beings have an innate predisposition to elevate the emotional process above instinct and reason. Likely this is due the to the survival dependency we had on our feelings in our evolutionary past. In a time when we lacked the greater rational facilities and information we’ve developed in our more recent past, depending on and learning from emotion, and the latent purposes it serves, was a species-beneficial system. We depended on our emotions to guide our behaviors (long and short term) for us more in our prehistory when we lacked the more developed rational process we take for granted now. Emotions served latent evolutionary purposes for us in our prehistory and today are still overly emphasized – often to metaphysical attributes – as superior to reason. More on this soon.

Reason

The final piece of our interpretive process is reason, or rationality (I’ll use these interchangeably). Ironically, for all of the social preconceptions that our emotions have made us “more evolved” above instinct, it is our rational process that has evolved us above both instinct and emotion. From and evolutionary standpoint our rational process is a relatively recent development; pushing us past the limitations of instinct and emotion. The definition of rationality is the quality of being based on or in accordance with reason or logic. It is the quality of being able to think sensibly or logically and being endowed with the capacity to reason.

Biologically it’s postulated that our larger brains allowed us to develop a capacity for reason, but that doesn’t mean other animals lack the same facility, it’s just that the rational process is less developed (some would say less environmentally necessary) in those animals by order of degree. Dogs, for example, rely primarily on the instinctual process and the mental (vestigial) firmware they’re born with to solve most of their existential/environmental problems. That doesn’t mean that they lack the ability to learn and form novel (adaptive) behaviors using a rudimentary form of logic. Animals can be taught things, but their capacity to form novel ideas and behaviors is limited to their cognitive abilities. Humans, being the apex species on the planet, had the leisure to take the time necessary to evolve a capacity for logic and as such the rational process developed in us.

Of all our interpretive processes reason is the one that takes the longest to function. Our rational process forms our interpretation of stimuli based on information dissociated from the interpretations of instinct and emotion. Reason requires (accurate) knowledge derived from learning and experience, but there is also an improvisational element to the process.

Before I get too far in the weeds here I need to make a distinction; what I’m outlining is the rational mental process we employ to interpret and interact with stimuli, not rationality, the concept of reason or rationalism. That’s important because it’s all too easy to get lost in philosophical implications of reason when we look at the process of how we come to it.

As mentioned above, the rational process modifies the instinctual and emotional processes. Example, in high school, in drivers ed class, we’re taught to turn into a skid rather than turn with the skid. When we’re driving and we find ourselves in a skid our instinctive impulse is to slam on the the breaks and/or, worse still, to turn with the skid. Our self-preservation instincts tells us to do this, but all it does is make a precarious situation worse. However, when we’re taught, and we practice, not hitting the brakes and not turning into the skid, we make this our default reaction and we avoid disaster. This is the rational process interpreting a stimuli and forming a novel behavior that modifies the interpretation of the instinctual process.

The limitation of the rational process is in its necessity to take time to interpret information and develop a new apparatus. Where instinct and emotion are intimately linked with our biological hardware and psychological firmware, the rational process is dissociated from them in the same immediacy. Instinct and emotion are processes that evolved from a survival-need for fast interpretation and reaction. The rational process requires time, repetition and the right biological structures to be effective. Human beings are remarkably fast learners (even with complex challenges), but the learning that the rational process leads to is slow in comparison to instinct and emotion – which are essentially preloaded firmware in humans.

The rational process deals with the nuts and bolts of what we can understand of our reality. From there it can modify the other processes or it can serve to interpret stimuli on its own.

In the next part of this series I’ll be exploring how these cognitive processes interact and cooperate and conflict with each other. I will also consider the gendered advantages and disadvantages these processes represent to our individual experiences as men and women and the influence they play in intersexual and intersocial dynamics.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@KFG: on cooling water with sunlight… You were talking conceptually (which I get)?

Or you were explaining how to do it with low tech gear? Because that I don’t immediately see how to do, and if you know how, I’d like to learn.

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@IAS: It works the same way as a flame energized fridge. The trick is to use the water itself as the exchange gas. Water is H2O in its densest form, so dense that it’s fluid. Expand it into a gas. Since it’s not a closed system you sacrifice some of the water, retaining less, but cooler, water, the heat being carried off into the atmosphere with the vapor. Hotter water outside the pot, cooler water inside the pot. The mechanics of how it’s done: Put the water in an unglazed earthenware pot. The purpose of glazing is to make the… Read more »

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Back in the day hot climate cyclists would put their water bottles in a terry cloth jacket, a trick which seems to have been mostly forgotten. Terry cloth doesn’t plug in, or even have a switch, so, ya know, it can’t do anything.

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“He blindfolded and bound a woman to exercise equipment, spanked her, and tried to kiss her without her consent.”

This story is profoundly disturbing. The governor’s sub obviously flunked Mistresses 101, the first rule being stealth. She should be called back to Hogwarts immediately to repeat the class before she destroys the world.

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“This is a deep water post followed by some heavy duty commentary. That’s why it’s fun to read here. I’m behind though. Still having trouble coming to grips with the idea of Blaximus carefully tending a suburban lawn.”

Das Wacis

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@ollieoxenfree1 @IRL “Emotions are their reality and solipsism is the only way in the storm of hormones, too much is happening inside to look outside.” I had some inkling of this but I couldn’t quite put it into words. Thank you for doing exactly that. Take it a step further – solipsism can be studied (3:30): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOCUH7TxHRI Note that although we can localize the most active parts of the brain and attribute them a specific function, it’s all connected and represents other things too. Background matters and affects activity, exactly like in the NLP video Sentient posted (or take it… Read more »

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““People have to understand that masculinity can be a cult, and when I say cult, it’s not different from David Koresh, it’s not different from Jim Jones,” said activist, actor and former NFL player Terry Crews. He likened the detachment of men to slavery, when slave masters would observe slaves being beaten and feel nothing. “There’s a lack of empathy from men who are in this cult,” he said. “A guy is looking at you that is not all the way human, and there is a humanity issue here.””

https://womenintheworld.com/2018/04/14/what-does-consent-look-like-in-the-metoo-era/

#Metoo spokesperson T. Crews

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Alpha /= Looks

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Alpha /= Looks. That be the ‘not equal’ sign – right? But there is a correlation between Alpha and Looks though. The Alpha Look = the look of a man that can reckon with his own fears, that in the long-run tends to produce a man who is more-so fearless. Crews still got that look. Maye even more-so as he ages and becomes wiser. Look – what Crews be saying here, though not well-said – nevertheless, not too far off the perspective of – ‘on the gender thing, as the man, see it right so that you can hold the… Read more »

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“women are not being held accountable enough for the decisions they make around personal interactions. ”

So you agree with Crews? The solution to making women accountable is to label masculinity dangerous, inhuman and cultish?

You wake and bake today more than usual? Laced?

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Damn it Crews, first you are an addict that objectifies women that want that,then a natural good looks guy that they find attractive hence never learning game. Now he is going public with the wrong answer of men losing their pride and trying to be less intimidating while women need to be more empowered. Tis guys like this that throw the wrench in the spokes for my daugters!

What gives?

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Crews is one of my favorite celebrities.
I loved him on “Everybody Hates Chris”.
He also has four daughters and one son.

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“The solution to making women accountable is to label masculinity dangerous, inhuman and cultish?” No – but labeling the faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play false definition of masculinity (among men, in men’s spaces) as cultish, would be a good start. “Now he is going public with the wrong answer of men losing their pride and trying to be less intimidating while women need to be more empowered.” Yeah boulderhead – Crews got that wrong I agree. Probably defines pride wrong, in his own mind. But he is not too far off from seeing this from the perspective that men are more-so concerned about… Read more »

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Crews may be your favorite actor,for right now he should stop acting as if he understands gender dynamics. he is obviously retarded in these aspects.

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Crews is a product of his incentives and disincentives.
Much like the rest of us.
With four daughters and only one son none of this surprises me.
His statements are kind of a foregone conclusion.
Doesn’t make them right, but…see the first sentence.

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@anon
With four daughters and only one son none of this surprises me.

Wait, are you saying Sentient is next?!

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Anon is just parroting prevailing beta cuck reasoning.

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Sentient’s tactics are more passive aggressive.

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Having daughters and wanting what is best for them isn’t the same as knowing what is best.

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As if she knows where the problem started. Ansari’s meeto girl was attracted in person. “The problem starts with dating apps, said Joanna Coles, chief content officer of Hearst Magazines and author of the new book Love Rules. “What happens when you communicate with a stranger who you matched with on an app is you begin on a computer-mediated communication,” Coles said. “You don’t have all five senses on fire. You can’t tell if you’re going to like this person. All you can do is have a witty exchange with them.” That disconnect can often give rise to incidents like… Read more »

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What gives?

Stimulus -> instinct -> emotional response feeding into reasons.

The only question to me is which stimulus or stimuli is Crew responding to.
Words in his ear? Words in his eyes? People in front of him? People behind him?

“Man is not a rational animal. Man is a rationalizing animal.” – Robert A. Heinlein

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“The problem starts with dating apps, said Joanna Coles, chief content officer of Hearst Magazines and author of the new book Love Rules.

Nah, the problem starts with the critical shortage of fried ice.

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From an interview that Terry Crews did with Muscle and Fitness magazine: “I heard this great quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson that sums up a lot of life for me: “God will not have his work made manifest by cowards.” That sticks with me and haunts me daily. Am I scared to fail? Or scared to succeed? Am I willing to do everything it takes to make it? Or will I hide safely behind my excuses forever? I discovered you don’t even get to be born unless your mother has the courage to endure childbirth. Everything fantastic, amazing, or extraordinary… Read more »

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Crews is responding to stimuli as you say,I believe it to be negative stimuli, a sort of a get out of a whipping thing and then he ironically winds up whipped good.

The trouble is he is Anon’s fave celeb, Celebrity status means he is stimulus and promoting the wrong message to many fans.

May he have dry powder for many moons.

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When emotion becomes reality it defies reason?

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2018/04/15/david-buckel-protest/

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Crews is responding to stimuli as you say,I believe it to be negative stimuli, a sort of a get out of a whipping thing and then he ironically predictably winds up whipped good.

FIFY.
#MeMeToo is in some ways a big shit test. Fail it and get whipped.

Sentient pointed out a while back that #MeToo skips over some men. Immune? For what reason? How? Sure, not every man is special enough to fertilize a potted palm but that’s just a detail.

Nobody has MeTooed Sean Connory, or any of the Rolling Stones, or George Clooney, or Mario Andretti, or, or…

Stimulus. Response.

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@kfg: fair enough, if you evaporate some of the water you will indeed cool it a bit down. It will consume “latent heat” in the phase transition (or release if it was to condense). I need something to encourage the evaporation, the porous pot is a good idea to expose part of the water to evaporate and cool down the rest. Thanks.

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A lil postcard from the edge for you guys. Open cuckoldry on the BBC. But here’s the rub, boys – this only works if men go along with it. And boy oh boy, do there seem to be plenty of thirsty blue pilled, gyno-worshipping beta playing along. Empowering female sexual agency to this extent will only hasten the decline of our social order and eventual collapse, so in some ways I cheer this on.

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy0cIBPW6e8&w=560&h=315%5D

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@SJF – Fleez himself has admitted to assaulting women on this site. To call that “good guy psychopath” is just bizarre. What, you think “good guy’s” physically assault and abuse women the way he claims to? Or do you just give him a pass cuz this is a Red Pill site? How about that daughter of your’s who you have up on a throne, what if she brought Fleez home and he was telling you man-to-man how he keeps your daughter in line by physically abusing her, how about then?

Truly bizarre BS from you.

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@OllieBullshitting freely – Lol, oh so you’ve bought into the lie that Britain has a multi-cutlural history, ergo open borders are no problem. Quick question – are you fucking retarded? Top line answer – there is actually very little genetic diversity as a result of the invasion of the Vikings or the Normans in British DNA. Also the numbers and timing of population flows were nowhere near the levels of post WWII immigration in Britain. And oh yeah, much of the history this facile, imbecilic, political argument relies on occurs previous to the post-Westphalian nation-state world order as we know… Read more »

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“women are not being held accountable enough” That’s cart before horse thinking. If men are at the point of holding women accountable, then we’ve already taken care of our own masculine house. At that point the women will fall into line naturally. Living with women isn’t to be a battle. If it is you’re doing it wrong. If you’re fighting for your woman’s compliance, you’re addicted to drama, accepting the us vs. them options offered by the greater culture. They don’t care if your for or against feminism. All they want is to have you all in, all the time… Read more »

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@Blax – You ignorant blowhard, that comic is truly a great way to show what a superficial, ideological dipshit you are. Guess which U.S. POTUS use the DoJ and U.S. govt intel agencies the most to repress a free press, you gibbering idiot? Barack Obama. Here’s the proof. From the Columbia School of Journalism Review, no right wing bastion. Here’s the link, you effing moron. https://www.cjr.org/criticism/barack_obamas_press_freedom_legacy.php Question for @Blax – Does it ever occur to you to not talk about things you don’t know a fucking thing about? Just curious…You should stick with working on cars, cuz I think you… Read more »

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Lol….😂😂😂

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Irony.

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@ScribblerG I re-read my comments @April 14, 2018 at 6:07 am. I guess it would be considered bizarre BS, depending on the context of whether fleezer is a sadist or not. Whether he gets off on harming women (sadist)or doesn’t really think about it much at all (psychopathic traits). That would depend on active motive or indifference. Also my memory is foggy as to when he mentioned getting physical or wanting to get physical with his wife. That was quite a while ago. And he doesn’t strike me as a he-man woman hater. He does strike me as psychopathic in… Read more »

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Man, lmao, stop aquiecing to that fucking nub. I mean, I know you have some kind of affinity for him, but he’s a lost cause white knighting super pedestalizing ahead case.

There are only a couple of you guys that verbally support that fungus. I don’t get why that is, but have a sense of masculine pride and don’t apologize to any simple minded failure attacking you and your daughter.

Damn…..

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…And for what it’s worth, some of y’all need to read less. I’m serious. 90% doing and experiencing, 10% reading and begin influenced overly by outside thoughts.

One thing I used to ask yareally constantly, was what he thought, and not what anyone else said. Gotta have independent thoughts based on experience.

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We all know what’s going on here. There is this one passage in Kevin Duttons book where he goes under TMS stimulation. (Transcranial magnetic stimulation is a method in which a changing magnetic field is used to cause electric current to flow in a small region of the brain via electromagnetic induction.) What he was doing was undergoing the procedure to simulate psychopathy temporarily by stimulating away the worry. Quote: “My little finger stops moving as he repositions his spooky neurological wand in the force field above my head. It’s then just a matter of sitting there for a while… Read more »

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Ok. Irony overload.

Catch y’all later.

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…And for what it’s worth, some of y’all need to read less. I’m serious. 90% doing and experiencing, 10% reading and begin influenced overly by outside thoughts. One thing I used to ask yareally constantly, was what he thought, and not what anyone else said. Gotta have independent thoughts based on experience. I don’t disagree. For some. I actually get out and do a lot with that 90% all my life. I pack 30% actions and doing into a life that others just amble along with. And I usually have 3 1/2 hours of intriguing conversation with my buddy every… Read more »

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@scribs

Feel better dude? Bashing Blax like that…feel good punching smaller and weaker than you? He’s a sensitive guy who may just have an existential crisis if you keep abusing him like that…

Now go read Rugby his bedtime story and tuck him in…

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Fleezer has changed in the few years I’ve been here. He’s on point now, stopped the “HULK SMASH!” verbage. I questioned, initially, why he posted at all. What has he to gain here?Something’s changed for the better in him and that’s reflected in his tone since 2016. He has a sense of humor now. He’s not telling us something. He doesn’t need to either. I never did buy Fleezer abuses women. I talked trash early on too and had some of it moderated out. Regarding women who like the rough stuff….you’d never know it. They’ll never tell so SJF doesn’t… Read more »

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Eh – your comment: ““women are not being held accountable enough” ….. That’s cart before horse thinking. If men are at the point of holding women accountable, then we’ve already taken care of our own masculine house. At that point the women will fall into line naturally.” You are in fact agreeing with me Eh. Taking care of the psychic drains upon one’s own masculinity (and by extension, these tend to be the same drains that are promoted within our culture), …. of course that is job 1. That is what I have been saying all along. What is one… Read more »

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SJF – “psychopathic in a good way”.

Look – there is no such thing. Drop it already. Psychopathy is a deficiency (depsite Dutton having a bromance with the idea. ….. Dutton is an idiot). His transcranial magnetic stimulation reference actually makes the point. Like being drunk (without the attendant deficiencies occurring elsewhere in the brain).

This celebration of psychopathy that is occurring on so many fronts within our culture is stupid, sick and degenerate.

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So we’re all on the same page that there is no same page for what is meant by “psychopathy”:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Psychopathy

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Scribblerg is spot-on, above, with regards to his analysis of the British immigration issue, Obama’s duplicity, and the true intentions of the globalist interests represented by the like of Soros.

So ….. don’t fall into the trap of throwing away the actual message with the tone of the message. Not sure why Scribblerg has got tonality issues.

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Hey Wild Man,

There you go again chasing your own tail.

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It’s this very retarded faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play false definition of masculinity.

You just made that up out of Straw.

No one’s talking faux, wannabe or fantasy except you. Why is that? Wait, never mind, I know why….

Some of us mean authentic, congruent and genuine masculine purpose.

Yes. Women want to be led to a certain degree. But not led like children are best led. It’s a matter of degree.

No it’s not. You are putting barriers up to masculine/feminine polarity.

http://daystar.ac.ke/shine/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/give-up.jpg

http://www.masculinity-movies.com/articles/the-three-stages-of-david-deida

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@All – Look at the posing from SJF and Blax. @SJF – Fleeze has recounted assaults here, and recommends doing so all the time. Your blindness to it is quite revealing of something about you, not me, SJF. You make common cause with scum and ignore it, that’s on you buddy. In the real world, I deal with scumbags like Fleeze with a baseball bat…and have. Like you touch a woman under my protection the way he does, I’ll stove your fucking head in and bury you in backwoods up here where nobody will ever find you. Period. So, you… Read more »

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Wildman. Psychic drains? Plug that hole. No one but yourself is responsible for that. Look into the mirror again. Your comment re: women want to be led…to a degree. Total BP, beta tell. You’ve got zero leadership chops saying that, obviously. I admit, I eat what she serves me and wear what she cleans. She’s in charge in the kitchen and laundry. If that’s where your going, ok. because if not, then we’re not agreeing. This isn’t a matter of pithy rhetorical nuance. Feel free defining the world as you please. Tonight, I’ll be served dinner and sleep with my… Read more »

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Millennia of world history. One shitty ideology and 10 bad guys.

Sure.

Pendulum always remain stationary.

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adult females…oxymoron of the day

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Eh – your latest comment – shallow, man. I’m sure you want more out of life than your creature comforts taken care of – eh? The creature comforts are largely besides the point in this life, in this realm.

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Hey Blax – wake the fuck up. You’ve never won an argument with me, ever.

Yeah, so? Almost nobody agrees with Blax’s political views. Why do you get bent out of shape about it? Just use Blax as a lolcow like I do and chill.

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“Your blindness to it is quite revealing of something about you, not me, SJF. You make common cause with scum and ignore it, that’s on you buddy.” I’ll tell you what it reveals about me: I have a lot of self discipline. I am low on Dark Triad traits and score low on psychopathic traits. And/But self discipline is not self-suppression. I admit I am blind to why my comments set you off. I do judge Fleezer as not being scum, but that’s just my opinion. He’s just another commenter on the internet. I’m not sadistic. I’ve never intentionally hit… Read more »

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SJF – no original thought from you – ever. Constant reactivity. Constant quoting others, to make a point, you don’t even understand. Par for the course. There is no point in interacting with you because you are not capable of holding up your end. You post alot here, almost completely just hot air. You not even blowing smoke buddy. More like flatulence. I’ll try to continue to ignore despite the heavy odor.

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Scrub Lol. I’ve never bothered to argue with you. You’re delusional. I ” read ” you ( look it up ). You care deeply about the political/ideological nonsense because it is all that you have in life. Ya got nothing but words. Lots and lots of empty angry infantile words. See? I’m not ” arguing ” with you. Maybe you should read more books on.arguments. Lol, you’re too dense and mentally Cucked up to see that I use your dumb ass for target practice. I can bait you into regurgitating the same old tired and simple shit constantly, so that… Read more »

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Creature comforts is 95% of life.

You’re not smashing life, let alone the basics, so you intellectualize your failures by buffering sex, food and clean clothes as shallow creature comforts.

I’m no more happy today than when I was poor, married, one bedroom apt and kids at my ankles.

Allow me to live my life, as I let you yours.

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Fyi, a few billion people agree with my ” political views “. It’s a big 🌎. You can isolate yourself and pretend, but it doesn’t ever change reality for long.

Ideologies change and eventually die when they can no longer be sustained. That’s why I don’t call you ” Massa “.

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@ Blaximus April 16, 2018 at 6:18 am A lot of what is going on here is that some men are playing life on defense instead of offense. Like Wildman tilting at the windmills that are attacking him. And that can only take you so far. OFFENSE VS DEFENSE IN THE GAME OF LIFE Will Freemen / April 16, 2018 https://revolutionarylifestyledesign.com/offense-vs-defense-game-life/ Analyzing whats making you unhappy, being present with it and looking at it to take the charge out of the negative emotions are useful defensive tactics when something is bothering you. Re-framing negative emotions is a terrific tactic, but… Read more »

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Nah. Playing neither defense nor offense, but playing like hoes.😂

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“SJF – no original thought from you – ever.” Wildman, I’m not being facetious when I state that all of my Red Pill Understanding and Awareness is derivative (something that is based on another source). From the manosphere over the last five years. So what? So what if it is not original thought? Does that matter? What matters is what use you put it to. You might be bored by it because you are fighting a battle with your soul and mind. You know something is not right and you can’t put your finger on it. You keep commenting like… Read more »

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On experience and wisdom…

https://twitter.com/SkepticalDesi/status/984892284591161344

wait till he gets to 50…

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Lol

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Coincidentally, Jeffy’s about 40…

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Lots of aggressive comments. Coming off the weekend too.

How y’all spending your free time?

I suggest more fucking.

Irony: I’m the twerpiest guy here and have been in the most fights in the last few years. There’s something to a good natured donnybrook.

I was wresting my boys this weekend. Got my ass handed to me. At one point I thought to push my oldest around. He’s got me by 10# and almost broke my wrist. I think they all went easy one me. Time to hang it up.

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culum – precisely…

again… kid goes to college, graduates, and returns to find out how damn smart his dad got in the last four years while he was gone…

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Eh – you latest comment – “Creature comforts is 95% of life.” At one level of perspective, that is not wrong, but shallow nevertheless. I don’t think you are getting my point yet. I said “I’m sure you want more out of life than your creature comforts taken care of – eh? The creature comforts are largely besides the point in this life, in this realm.” Quoting Jordan Peterson: “We don’t act like we live in the material reality. We act like we face a landscape of potential ….. an external landscape of potential …..with an internal reservoir of potential.”… Read more »

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OT but I’ve had a lot of old friends asking me about why feminists and SJWs keep pushing their way in to traditionally male nerd culture when most of them aren’t even going to buy the product they convince companies they need to sanitize of “misogyny” and “sexism”. I even had one ask me “Why do these women obsessed with ‘safe spaces’ keep trying to push in to what amounts to traditional male ‘safe spaces’?” Cue pushing them over to Rollo’s article on that exact subject. The strange part to me though is that a lot of this push involves… Read more »

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“there is no evidence whatsoever that female self-agency is less willful than the masculine variety. ”

Double negative willful varieties all you want, Wildman.

It’s not going make your dick bigger.

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” Fleeze has recounted assaults here, and recommends doing so all the time.” FR: daytime assault day. public space on private property. posted: “children under 18 must be supervised at all times” some little unsupervised cunt, maybe 9 y.o., can’t control her fucking huge dog and her fat piece of shit unsupervised older brother, maybe 12, is doing random property damage. a ladyfriend host and I are minding our own business, when these piece of shit kids get into our faces because they dont’ respect anything I iced this little cunt out. i gave her the fucking, “i’m goiing to… Read more »

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Eh – go take a look at the Milgram stuff for yourself. There is a 2015 movie about it too (the Experimenter). Food for thought. What could it hurt – why not give yourself a looksee.

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“If you can’t see female potentiality, as a irreducible correlate of masculine potentiality, …. two poles of the same polarity ….. you are probably mistaking the game field for the game itself.”

If you put a gun to my head and asked me what that meant, I’d be a goner. Even after I did a Google search for wtf “irreducible correlate” philosopho-babble is.

All you fucking do, over, and over and over is argue for egalitarian equalism.

Do you even like Red Pill?

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he confronts me about threating his little girl. first i ignored him. that really pissed him off. then i acknowledged him and told him, “I’d love for you to call the cops. Go ahead.” at this point I glare at the fat fuck son who had been doing all the damage to private property. did I rat him out to his superbeta dad? nope. exchange goes on. I shred the dad in front of the kids who thought they were going to see their big badass dad put that fucker in his place. oops. kids walk away. i finish dealing… Read more »

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” Tells me “sorry man” like , my bad, you are out a dollar and I’m not doing anything.” before I got my first job at the sandwich place, the owner made get a 100% on his “how to make change” test before he would even think about hiring me then later I worked for some corporate shitbags, who had a policy that let me off on my cash drawer accounting by a certain percentage. of course i always made perfect change and pocketed the margin of error. i gave people tons of free shit too. for some reason, not… Read more »

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Sun WuKong, I think the SocJusing of companies is an example of groupthink. One feature of groupthink is the shunning and chasing away of dissidents, those who disagree. Pretty soon the group is an echo chamber, where someone can say “X is good, we need more X” and the echoes will come back “More X! Need more X!” Plus SJW’s tend to be a insecure and prone to bullying those that disagree, so they fit right in. Pretty soon any stimulus will trigger the required response with no thought involved at all. Stimulus -> programmed response. Company managers do not… Read more »

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and my guess would be that not so long ago, poorly behaved children weren’t disciplined. they were simplly sold, abandoned or eaten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHghIG1ZZYQ

Mano^^

Bonus points for “go get your mother in to clean this up”…

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Why don’t you have kids yet Fleeze?

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But some voters do know more than others. Republicans are better informed than Democrats, for example. And political ignorance discriminates by sex, too. Three-quarters of women score well below the male average on tests measuring knowledge of national politics. This particular gender gap is at least fifty years old, and it exists between men and women of equal education and income levels.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/04/kate-obeirne-women-politics-knowledge-19th-amendment/

Sorry, Blax, old white men are better informed on political issues than young black women.

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Lol. You’re just as bad as scrub ( not really..). You only read ” certain ” articles to get information that jibes with your ideology. I don’t have a prblem with that really, until you trey to point me to shit like ” national review ” opinion pieces ( like assholes, those opinions ).

But in other news, ” old white men ” are dropping like flies. Nice knowing ya asd.

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… but I will read the article because I’m not a slave to any ideology except the one that benefits me. Nothing is 100% foolproof, as fools can be quiet persistent.

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lol, the writer referred to ” Our President “.

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@Wild Man Quoting Jordan Peterson: “We don’t act like we live in the material reality. We act like we face a landscape of potential….. an external landscape of potential …..with an internal reservoir of potential.” He is right – yes? The potentialities JP speaks of are the underlying patterns pointed out by Darwinianism. The patterns play out in what we call the material realm. Accrual of creature comforts is one of the material outcomes of successful negotiations of said potentials. But nevertheless, said accrual is besides the point. Because, more accurately, we are in the potentialities business.,/b> I’m not sure… Read more »

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@ Sentient

“Why don’t you have kids yet Fleeze?”

Something’s changed in Fleezer, no?

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Oh, ScriblerG white knighting his daughter ( by punking SJF and Fleezer) is him changing too.

He’s trying to square his past attitudes toward women with the women of consequence in front of him, namely his daughter and granddaughter.

When he dumps on Fleezer he’s dumping on himself as he did and said as much or worse (or better, heh). But that’s too incestuous an idea, too self-indicting, so he’s picking, IMO, unnecessary fights as a distraction, not for us, but himself.

Projecting, in a way. Good on him. It’s a start.

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“Why don’t you have kids yet Fleeze?”

active early, rarely protected, very irresponsible

wife/bangs are adults and therefore fair game for posts

man makes good sperm into his 80s+

i like younger non moms

i have a plan and i’m working it. many repressed phonies would call it the “meanest” and probably “most intentionally devious” thing they’d ever heard – gasp – outrage!!

must be something to it then

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SJF – OK I’ll try one more time … different tack. From Heartiste’s post today: “children –> woman –> man –> God. It’s the natural order for a reason. …..Feel free to substitute Purpose for God if you’re the earthly-bound type”. CH is more or less right. Men are more-so concerned about how the world actually works, and women are more-so concerned about the status associated with getting that right, especially when that status might be focused so as to illuminate upon themselves personally. But that is different than saying women are not willful …. they are, but willful around… Read more »

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marelius – here is the JP link from which I quoted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4NijLf3M-A

It is at about 20:45 – 21:30

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a man could take what he learned in the mano and knock up thousands of ovulating females already in beta ltrs

that’s if spreading his seed according to the prime directive without investing anything at all in the rearing process were agreeable to him

a man can run pretty much any kind of game he can dream up these days

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@ fleezer

“a man can run pretty much any kind of game he can dream up these days”

Agreed, but when your son is in your arms or he looks at you and you see you in him…a lot of those options are out the door.

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Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

I’m sure that Detroit is an outlier among major cities.

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It’s easy to claim to win the popular vote when you stuff the ballot boxes.

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To be clear, these districts make up a small subset of all of Philadelphia. The 59 that went 100 percent for Obama in 2012 constitute 19,605 votes,

https://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

I’m very impressed with black voters…almost 20,000 of them can vote without accidentally marking the wrong candidate…very impressed.

I’m sure there’s no voter fraud by Democrats in major cities.

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See? You don’t know shit about major cities, that you haven’t read somewhere. Then there’s the agenda angle to consider as well. Detroit’s mismatched votes Here is a breakdown of the irregularities in Detroit’s 662 precincts: ■236 precincts in balance — equal numbers of voters counted by workers and machines ■248 precincts with too many votes and no explanation (77 were 1 over; 62 were 2 over, 37 were 3 over, 20 were 4 over, 52 were 5 or more over). ■144 precincts with too few votes and no explanation (81 were 1 under, 29 were 2 under; 19 were… Read more »

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“all men are created equal”

men.

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” Oh, ScriblerG white knighting his daughter ( by punking SJF and Fleezer) is him changing too….”

Scrib has always been the biggest white knight on these boards forever.

Remember Emily? Lol. I used to count down once she would post, to how long before scrub would show up admonishing us for being overly mean towards her. You would hear a word from scrib for weeks, the she showed up and he wasn’t far behind.

It was hilarious. To me anyway.

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@ Blax,

I came aboard about then. I didn’t find it hilarious, more odd and low ROI for Scrib and those who’d get dragged into his undertow.

Guys who post out of line are banned. Scrib hasn’t been banned, yet, as perhaps as he’s found you to reflect his arguments and he feels then validated. You are a ying to his yang…irrelevant of the content.

IMO, your time is spent more powerfully elsewhere. That’s supposed to be a compliment. I’m not good at compliments.

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“all men are created equal” ….. men”. Eh – look at the Milgram stuff and then tell me if this existential quandary applies to women as well (i.e – perhaps it applies be way of women’s similar capacity, vis-a-vis men, for self-agency, is my point). Nevertheless, you are pointing out an important consideration. Women are so into the submitting thing, that, from what I have noticed, on the existential front, women are therefore more-so prone to submitting to some false idea about God (which is a concept that is actually beyond the limited capacity of human conception), and it turns… Read more »

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Blax, why do you have trouble linking your quotes? Do you want us to confirm your evidence or not? And why do you have to throw up a red herring? Try to stay on point and stop distracting. Considering that Trump won 7% of the black vote nationwide, isn’t it a little strange that he didn’t win a single vote in 59 Philadelphia precincts, which amounted to over 19,000 votes, without even a single voting error producing a vote for Trump? Not even one mistake. Not by a single, solitary voter. Perfect voting for Her Rotten Cunt. hehe Statistical analysis… Read more »

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I never look for anybody to confirm anything for me. Lol. Especially when ” they ” will NEVER have any view or opinion other than the one they currently hold and cling to as a part of their core identity. That shit is old and tired. Time my friend, Time.

I heard 8% of African Americans voted for Trump. So?

I don’t know one Black Person who voted for Trump. Not One. And I’ve been black longer than you’ve been reading articles and studies about black people.

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I ain’t looking at no Milgram, so don’t be dumb. Grow up to bigger things, kid.

Like I do, as in drinking wine after scratch kale cabbage soup and satueed asparagus.

For dessert I’ll stare at my wife’s ass as she puts a venison roast in the slow cooker.

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