Instinct, Emotion and Reason

Before I dig in here today I want to give credit where it’s due. I was inspired to consider what I’m about to go into here by a quick-hit Tweet from Illimitable Man. I didn’t bookmark it so I apologize for not linking it here today, but the general gist of it was about the mental processes humans go through when we’re presented with environmental stimuli that demands interpretation and a behavioral response. I considered this process quite a bit while I was studying behavioral psychology – Instinct, Emotion and Reason (or rationality if you prefer) – and I’m almost embarrassed that I haven’t covered this in terms of a Red Pill perspective in over 600 essays now.

The idea is fairly simple; when we are prompted by environmental (and sometimes internal) stimuli human beings process this information using three psychological mechanisms – our primal instincts, our emotional interpretations and our rational (reason) facilities. I’m not sure these processes get their proper due in Red Pill theory today.  I’ve detailed all of these processes individually for years on this blog, but generally they were outlined in the context of whatever topic I was focusing on. In this essay I’m going to elaborate on these aspects individually. Later, as part of this series, I’ll explore how they act in concert for our overall cognitive process, and then how they influence intersexual and intersocial dynamics. I think this is a useful exercise because a lot of foundational Red Pill ideas stem from these processes as well as the social conventions and interpretive priorities the Feminine Imperative relies on today.

For sake of clarity I am going to use a few behavioral psych terms like stimuli in this essay. This isn’t to throw $10 words at you, it’s just easier to elaborate on these processes with abstract terms. For example, when I use stimuli I mean any physical, environmental or cognitive prompt that our conscious or unconscious mind demands an interpretation, processing of and response to. That can be a wide variety of things so, stimuli serves as a general term.

Lastly, the following here is my interpretation of these processes. While a lot of this will align pretty well with established theories, this is my take on them and not some official, settled science of facts. If you think I’m full of shit please tell me why, this is still a work in progress for me.

Instinct

Instinct seems like the easiest of these processes to understand, but it’s really the cognitive aspect that’s most misunderstood, marginalized and often demonized. The reason for this is because our instincts reside in our subconscious (hindbrain) processing of stimuli. When I refer to men or women’s evolved mental firmware in my essays it’s our instinctual process that I’m referring to. These are the unlearned, inborn aspects of our human nature that influence the other processes and remain largely in our subconscious. Our instinctual processing is a direct result of our evolution. It evolved as a vitally necessary aspect of our cognitive processing in that it aided in our ability to survive in, and adapt to, a chaotic, primal environment when food was scarce, predators and rivals wanted us dead, and reproductive opportunities and raising a child to a survivable age were at a premium.

There are a lot of examples of our instinct level processing and each instinctual response triggers more complex processing up the cognitive chain through emotion and reason. If we were presented with a dangerous stimuli (a sabertooth tiger) our instinctual process triggers a fight or flight response physically in our bodies (adrenaline release). Needless to say this was an evolved adaptation that served our species well and was passed along genetically as part of our mental firmware. I’m going to use some simplistic examples here but, if you really want to dig into our preloaded mental firmware and how we developed it I would suggest looking into the earlier works of Dr. Steven Pinker and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley (I’ll post links in the comments).

Another example is human beings’ innate fear (reservations at least) of snakes and spiders – poisonous animals that looked easy to kill, but could kill humans without warning. That’s an example of relatively beneficial firmware, but the reason instinct gets a bad rep is due to the instincts that once were beneficial to us individually, but are less beneficial to us socially. Greed and gluttony were very practical, instinctually motivated behaviors that stemmed from a need to survive in a time when resources were scarce. Today greed is (mostly) seen as anti-social and a compulsion to overeat in a time when food is abundant is why we presently have an obesity epidemic.

Those are easily understood examples, but where things get more complex is in how our instinctual process influences the other processes (emotion and reason). Instinct gets demonized because in our ‘enlightened‘ era we like to believe that instinct is more trouble than it is beneficial. Most of that is due to a belief that our other processes are superior to (or at least should supersede) our instincts. Most of what we call sin or immoral behavior is motivated by the instinctual process. In fact, the only time our instinctual awareness and reactions are really credited with anything positive is when it gets us out of some life threatening situation or it leads to some prosocial outcome. For instance, the male instinct to protect women by putting ourselves between them and danger; that’s an instinct and resultant behavior (seemingly altruistic male self-sacrifice) that gets a lot of praise in our feminine-primary social order. However, for the most part, we tend to judge ‘baser instincts’ as a net negative.

The truth about the instinctual process is that none of our other processes function at full efficiency without it. Today, as a result of our feminine-primary acculturation, we want to relegate instinct’s influence to something “we’ve evolved beyond”. The popular consensus is we’ve raised ourselves above base instincts by either acknowledging the importance of the emotional process or that rationality and the self-control based on it immunizes us from its influence. Not only are these belief foolish and hubristic, they’re provably untrue. When it comes to concepts like the ‘selfish gene‘ and the physical differences in the evolved instinctual processes of men and women, it becomes necessary for a social order based on blank-slate equalism to demonize and marginalize the influence of, and behaviors attributed to, instinct.

The survival benefits and behaviors that make up the instinctual process were so necessary that they had to become part of our unconscious species firmware. Because the instinctual process is part of our animalistic hindbrain mental subroutines it’s something we have little or no direct control over until its effect is brought (often forced) into our conscious awareness. As such, and because we prefer to think of ourselves as emotional and rational beings, we tend to think of the influence of instinct as something we either have or need to have mastery over, and to a large extent this mastery makes sense. The truth is that instinct is an aspect of ourselves that needs to be controlled as well as embraced depending on circumstances.

Emotion

From an evolutionary perspective, the emotional process of interpreting stimuli is a mechanism of how our brains and biochemistry interact to affect our moods, demeanor and ’emotionality’ in response to both instinctual cues and the raw information of stimuli itself. Furthermore, the emotional process can also be influenced and/or modified by the rational process. I’m trying to be concise here, but our emotional response to information/stimuli is very much an evolved dynamic with latent purposes and practical functionalities. I’m making this distinction here because for millennia we’ve raised the effects of emotion to a mythical, metaphysical, importance.

While emotion often has immediate effects on us, emotion also has long term effect with regard to the stimuli it processes. There are dozens of definitions of emotions and there’s no way I’m going to lay them all out for you here. However, popular psychology asserts that there are as many as ten and as few as six base emotions:

  • Anger.
  • Disgust.
  • Fear.
  • Happiness.
  • Sadness.
  • Surprise.

Sometimes Contempt is added to this list. If these seem overly simplistic they are, again, abstracts to build more complex emotions on (some paleo-researchers insist there are only four base emotions across our evolved ethno-histories). For our purposes these base emotions will serve to show the connections between the instinctual process which prompts them and the rational process that modifies and sometimes informs them.

Each of these emotional responses is prompted by how our senses, brain and then instinctual process interprets a stimuli. Again, using our sabertooth tiger example, the instinctual process determines imminent danger and triggers a synaptic and hormonal response to that danger. As a result of that instinctual process an emotional process and response is triggered – likely fear (flight in most cases), but sometimes anger (fight).

Another example: you see an arousing woman (stimuli) at a party who is displaying behavioral cues and environmental indicators of interest (IOIs). Your instinctual process determines a high potential for a reproductive opportunity. From there the emotional process kicks in: hormones and dopamine (and not a small testosterone spike) that your instinctual process triggered flushes your system and serves as the basis for your emotional process to form an emotional response to the same stimuli. If it all passes the smell test that response (hopefully) will be happiness (and a little surprise mixed in).

There is a visceral biochemical interrelation between emotion and the stimuli/instinct relation that prompts the reaction. Adrenaline is one easy example, another is oxytocin or the “love hormone”. This is a bit of a mischaracterization of the hormone. Oxytocin induces feelings of trust and comfort and is thought to be a significant factor in human’s forming pair bonds and parental investments. There’s a lot more to oxytocin’s implications to our evolution than that, but for now lets look at how our biology influences the emotional process.

We proceed from stimuli to an instinctual response. If there is nothing mitigating that response (such as a rationally learned buffer to mitigate it) the next step in the chain is a biological reaction to that instinct – such as dumping adrenaline into our bloodstream or a post-orgasm flush of oxytocin after sex. From there the emotional process picks up the interpretation of this information as prompted by the cocktail of chemicals moving through our bloodstream and affecting our mental and physical interpretation of that stimuli. That biochemical factor prompts one, or a combination, of the base emotions listed above.

From there more complex emotions (feelings) and combinations thereof begin to form an emotional interpretation and response. This emotional response can be anything from a fast, reflexive one to a more nuanced and contemplative one. Furthermore, this emotional interpretation and response can also be modified by our rational mental process as well as our gendered capacity to process emotions. One thing to bear in mind about our emotional process is that it can imprint its interpretations into our ‘hard memory’ – sometimes so significantly that the memory of that stimuli can re-trigger that physical and emotional response.

Gender-modified interpretation of our emotion process is an important aspect to consider in Red Pill praxeology and one I’ll be elaborating on in the next part of this series. Until recently the accepted ‘science‘ about our emotional process has been based on a blank-slate equalist approach to emotion. In fact we still suffer from the outdated presumptions of academia that both men and women process emotion in the same manner, and, in theory, ought to be expected to have an equal capacity to interpret, respond and express emotion. In light of new technology and new research in a variety of interrelated disciplines we know this is old presumption is patently untrue. Men and women have different mental hardware and are born with different mental firmware. Both sexes interpret and process emotion in gender-specific manners.

I’ll be getting into the personal and social implications that the legacy of this (deliberate) misunderstanding presents in the next essay. For now it’s important to consider that human beings have an innate predisposition to elevate the emotional process above instinct and reason. Likely this is due the to the survival dependency we had on our feelings in our evolutionary past. In a time when we lacked the greater rational facilities and information we’ve developed in our more recent past, depending on and learning from emotion, and the latent purposes it serves, was a species-beneficial system. We depended on our emotions to guide our behaviors (long and short term) for us more in our prehistory when we lacked the more developed rational process we take for granted now. Emotions served latent evolutionary purposes for us in our prehistory and today are still overly emphasized – often to metaphysical attributes – as superior to reason. More on this soon.

Reason

The final piece of our interpretive process is reason, or rationality (I’ll use these interchangeably). Ironically, for all of the social preconceptions that our emotions have made us “more evolved” above instinct, it is our rational process that has evolved us above both instinct and emotion. From and evolutionary standpoint our rational process is a relatively recent development; pushing us past the limitations of instinct and emotion. The definition of rationality is the quality of being based on or in accordance with reason or logic. It is the quality of being able to think sensibly or logically and being endowed with the capacity to reason.

Biologically it’s postulated that our larger brains allowed us to develop a capacity for reason, but that doesn’t mean other animals lack the same facility, it’s just that the rational process is less developed (some would say less environmentally necessary) in those animals by order of degree. Dogs, for example, rely primarily on the instinctual process and the mental (vestigial) firmware they’re born with to solve most of their existential/environmental problems. That doesn’t mean that they lack the ability to learn and form novel (adaptive) behaviors using a rudimentary form of logic. Animals can be taught things, but their capacity to form novel ideas and behaviors is limited to their cognitive abilities. Humans, being the apex species on the planet, had the leisure to take the time necessary to evolve a capacity for logic and as such the rational process developed in us.

Of all our interpretive processes reason is the one that takes the longest to function. Our rational process forms our interpretation of stimuli based on information dissociated from the interpretations of instinct and emotion. Reason requires (accurate) knowledge derived from learning and experience, but there is also an improvisational element to the process.

Before I get too far in the weeds here I need to make a distinction; what I’m outlining is the rational mental process we employ to interpret and interact with stimuli, not rationality, the concept of reason or rationalism. That’s important because it’s all too easy to get lost in philosophical implications of reason when we look at the process of how we come to it.

As mentioned above, the rational process modifies the instinctual and emotional processes. Example, in high school, in drivers ed class, we’re taught to turn into a skid rather than turn with the skid. When we’re driving and we find ourselves in a skid our instinctive impulse is to slam on the the breaks and/or, worse still, to turn with the skid. Our self-preservation instincts tells us to do this, but all it does is make a precarious situation worse. However, when we’re taught, and we practice, not hitting the brakes and not turning into the skid, we make this our default reaction and we avoid disaster. This is the rational process interpreting a stimuli and forming a novel behavior that modifies the interpretation of the instinctual process.

The limitation of the rational process is in its necessity to take time to interpret information and develop a new apparatus. Where instinct and emotion are intimately linked with our biological hardware and psychological firmware, the rational process is dissociated from them in the same immediacy. Instinct and emotion are processes that evolved from a survival-need for fast interpretation and reaction. The rational process requires time, repetition and the right biological structures to be effective. Human beings are remarkably fast learners (even with complex challenges), but the learning that the rational process leads to is slow in comparison to instinct and emotion – which are essentially preloaded firmware in humans.

The rational process deals with the nuts and bolts of what we can understand of our reality. From there it can modify the other processes or it can serve to interpret stimuli on its own.

In the next part of this series I’ll be exploring how these cognitive processes interact and cooperate and conflict with each other. I will also consider the gendered advantages and disadvantages these processes represent to our individual experiences as men and women and the influence they play in intersexual and intersocial dynamics.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

582 comments on “Instinct, Emotion and Reason

  1. Rugby I think that’s a good first step. No more videos, post text and post your own thoughts and participate in the discussion.

    If you must post links then provide context for why and use the bitly links and make it relevant to the current discussion (you can start a new discussion too – the point is that no one understands or cares about the random videos with no connection to anything that you post).

    I know Wala and others have run out of patience with you but if you stick to the above rules I think they will be okay with it. If you remember Wala was first trying to help you and help you post more text and take action to improve your life and I think he was the first one to do so. He only got frustrated when you took zero action and went back to posting links.

    No one’s patience is inexhaustible – you need to take action to prove to us you’re serious and be consistent about it. And the links and text is only one part. What about going out into the world and meeting real people and talking and connections with them?

  2. “It’s their “dirty secret”. They might tell a GF who’s also a slut”

    I mentioned this upthread. There’s something to female intuition, knowing which friends, they’ll disclose their dirty secrets and others, no. It’s their own secret sorority? They all want in. Those that don’t make the cut would disclose out of envy.

    That tying to the soloflex is overwrought. Shit, I’ve been doing this stuff on the cheap apparently. What do I know? Maybe a lot apparently.

    And yes, D gets messed up, and I mean CPR messed up, when gags and booze/drugs and situational unawareness come together. I’m a good judge from years of experience and else, have walked the razor and once…once…had a panic moment as she kinda lost her bearings in the throws of passion.

    Have a nice weekend, make it memorable.

  3. “See “magic” upthread… or this”

    nlp stuff is cool. thing that struck me was the next vid in the feed

    nlp guy says: [location/location -> career/passion] to generate attraction

    this don’t seem right to me. he’s going for rapport first and mistaking any strong emotion for the specific pattern of emotions that he’s trying to elicit in order to bang

    i think good initial opening to lock attraction first looks more like:

    [location/location + tailored disqualification neg -> opinions/secrets/lies + long-term but changable trait neg + steer it into sexual territory]

    then use the nlp techniques and active listening to find her rapport/comfort triggers, hit those sparingly and selectively to balance the gradually escalating sexual tension and to nip any possible future asd in the bud

    this get you to seduction where you can shift to pure command/physical and talk directly to her body with yours

    her instinct to fuck is what I’m after, and to get to play around at that deep instinctual level in the modern age, I have to play at the emotional level too, mostly to give her plausible deniability and sidestep asd

    for seduction, reason is not required

  4. @Culum. Why are you white knighting this troll? Stop it and shut up. You’re not helping by mediating what is already a lost cause. I’m not the only one who feels this way…it’s nkw emerging he has alienated a large group who may otherwise be posting and discussing the original post.

    This is an online intervention don’t send mixed messages. He needs to be banned for his own good as well as for the good of the community.

    Rugby go away…. stop spamming and get off the internet.

    Rollo… it’s time for some tough love here…banning rugby is the only way he’ll get help.

  5. @Rugby – Time to sack up and tell these shitheels they can suck your cock. Platinum rule – do whatever the fuck you want, whenever the fuck you want. I actually am not crazy about much of what you share, although occasionally I catch a vid or something you say that really hits me. For me, the scroll button suffices. And it’s not like you are telling others here what to do or setting yourself up as some expert as many do here.

    My sense is you have a huge mountain to overcome and that participating here is how you practice socially. The question of progress and growth is relevant but that’s up to you buddy.

    @Walawala – I bet you loved to punch the smallest kid in the class too when you were a kid. Dump on someone who’s up for the fight, not someone you might send into an existential crisis without realizing it.

  6. @scribble stop white knighting this idiot and trolling us by encouraging him…

    Spamming an Internet forum isn’t in the spirit of the Platinum Rule it’s a sad cry for attention.

    He needs to get off the Internet. We’re not here to baby him or anyone else.

  7. “I bet you loved to punch the smallest kid in the class too when you were a kid. Dump on someone who’s up for the fight, not someone you might send into an existential crisis without realizing it.”

    if the smallest kid in the class shows up to fight club, going easy on him ruins fight club for him and everyone else

  8. Fleezer

    NLP – turned to seduction – was the precursor to Mystery’s Method.

    http://www.seduction.com/media/pdf/Secrets_of_Speed_Seduction_Mastery.pdf

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/10982980/The-art-of-the-pickup-how-The-Game-changed-the-game.html

    A lot of the now familiar PUA terms came out of that context.

    http://www.pualingo.com/terminology/speed-seduction-nlp/

    A lot of things like anchoring, trigger words, fractionating, mirroring etc. are very useful and can be used in building attraction.

    i.e. f you mentioned Fractionation then I assume you have some NLP knowledge so I’ll talk in those terms…

    Let’s say I anchor someone to some good-feeling state. If I trigger the anchor, they will obviously move into that state to some extent. Now if that state only had a slight intensity when I set the anchor, the triggered state will probably also only have a slight intensity.

    If I wanted to increase the intensity of that state, I could apply Fractionation.

    This means triggering the anchor, allowing them to move into that slight state, then move them into another (probably neutral) state, then trigger the anchor again, then back into a neutral state, then trigger the anchor again…and so on.

    Each time the state is retriggered, it becomes more intense.

    Now this is explained with “spiking” and “range” of emotions… Put all the tools in your toolbox. You can drive a screw in a pinch with a hammer, but sometimes you really need a screwdriver.

    And yes NLP has been subject to all kinds of kookery, fraud and deceit in pursuit of Dolla$$$ – from its creators on to hundreds of other con artists… to a degree to which PUA Charletons can still only aspire too. Hi Owen!

  9. “Put all the tools in your toolbox.”

    this is probably the thing that has surprised and delighted me the most

    i thought that if i kept adding tools, the box would become heavy and impractical

    this is not the case at all. if anything, it’s almost the opposite because all the tools seem to be related in one way or another, so instead of a tool box, it more resembles a tool map

    no matter where on the map i start with a girl, i can guide her to the place i want. all i need is a little specific information because after that awalt

  10. Since Scribbs has dropped by, here is a present for him and you fellow gentlecreatures interested in the evo-psych aspects of Game. Here is what happens when you stomp science with the jackboot of ideology. For quick reference this is the link to I-Think-We’re-All-Bezos-On-This-Bus but it can be found elsewhere, including your local public Fahrenheit 451 pre-burn repositories:

    Simon Ings: Stalin And The Scientists (2016)

    https://www.amazon.com/Stalin-Scientists-History-Triumph-1905-1953/dp/0802127592/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1523641071&sr=1-1&keywords=stalin+and+the+scientists

    The book focuses on biology and genetics, and how the Soviets did their damnedest to officially kill the latter altogether via party fiat (particularly research into chormosone theory prior to Watson & Crick). Brought about by the master bureaucrat and shit scientist Trofim Lysenko, about whom I have descanted before here. Lysenko, along with self-styled Philosopher King Uncle Joe Stalin, posited that genetic research was a bourgeois hoax, and that biology and husbandry would bend to the implacable political will of the proletariat. Both posited, among other things, that if you kept at it, you could grow lemon trees in the Arctic, and improve grain harvests by planting seeds near trees, which would sacrifice themselves to protect the grain for the Greater Good of Nature. Then you could reforest the defoliated forests in the steppes (cut down for paper and other stupid reasons) by planting lots of seedlings which would grow despite now-desert conditions, if the Soviet people worked hard enough.

    So as you’d expect there is much here that carries over today into modern leftie forms of Lysenkoism, such as the blinkered discussions of “gender” in academia, and how masculinity is a disease to be cured except when you need police protection, and that biological sex assignments (xx and xy) can be trumped (!) by doubleplusgood-think that such things don’t exist except as a social construct. (Or as Daffy Duck presciently put it: “Aha! Pronoun Trouble!”) Not to mention other horseshit fads like recovered memories, daycare center Satanic scares, why rambunctious boys must be drugged and wear dresses, and all children corralled into holding pens at all times to prevent kidnapping by [insert villains].

    Now don’t wave your MAGA hats too freely laughing at the snowflakes: there are lessons here for the poisonous anti-science cult of the Right too, who bang on about faith healing of communicable diseases, anti-vaxxers (both left and right), creationism, the environment, the patent medicine of Big Beautiful Coal, outlawing birth control and lying about prophylactics, the wiping of climate data from government websites, and the old bugaboos of why tobacco is good for you, and how the moon landing was a hoax. All, in their own way, also modern forms of Lysenkoism, trying to shoehorn science into a political construct, just like the Safe Space Squad.

  11. Wala Wala

    “it’s nkw emerging he has alienated a large group who may otherwise be posting and discussing the original post.”

    Ponting out an internal contradiction of your argument:

    Rugby can’t simultaneously be irrelavant and impact a large group of potential commenters.

    Your original complaint re: upload times, btw. Rugby’s conceded some. Time will tell, of course.

    Law 47
    Do not go Past the Mark you Aimed for; In Victory, Learn when to Stop
    The moment of victory is often the moment of greatest peril. In the heat of victory, arrogance
    and overconfidence can push you past the goal you had aimed for, and by going too far, you
    make more enemies than you defeat. Do not allow success to go to your head. There is no
    substitute for strategy and careful planning. Set a goal, and when you reach it, stop.

    Again, enjoy the weekend. I mean that, I do. Thank you all for another fun weeks discussion.

  12. “if the smallest kid in the class shows up to fight club, going easy on him ruins fight club for him and everyone else”

    Maybe. Don’t know much about fighting. Mismatches probably have unintended consequences.

    Anyhow, here’s an unrelated video:

    https://youtu.be/HQVEteeLC3c

  13. Well, Rugby was here way before I was. I don’t really have any issues with his postings, but yeah, on my tablet and smartphone it slows things down greatly. If I have time, I watch many of the videos he links.

    My 2 cents? I get some of you guy’s frustration, but it’s an unmoderated comment section. Rugby has a unique manner of communicating, and he’s not promoting or selling anything.

    In the end, if it really bothers a good number of posters, It’ll be Rollo’s call. In that case, I vote For Rugby.

  14. Eh

    Everyone who’s read here any length of time knows that I’m a pretty big offender when it comes to posting memes and pictures and videos that aren’t relative to immediate discussions or the OP.

    We are all just different enough to make this comment section one of the absolute best in the sphere.

  15. @Rugby, I love you like a brother so I’m not gonna ban you, but man these guys do have a point.

    Please don’t post more than one video per comment. If you have to post a video make sure it’s relevant to the post and discussion. I will delete any video from Purple Pill hacks unless it proves a point. These comments are for hashing out ideas not advertising for blogs or channels or personalities inimical to Red Pill praxeology.

    If you have a point you think a video will illustrate at least say why you thought so. I know you’re a good writer too Rugby, don’t get lazy with a video.

  16. I wrote this out earlier after I went out to my farm for the afternoon. Perfect weather and nearly a Seals and Crofts Summer Breeze vibe. Before I went to the opening day party for the country club.

    I was going to do it as a first draft and revise it, but I had such a good time today, I’ll post some random ideas that express about 25% of what I think of the rugby affair:

    In regards to the rugby affair.

    Rugby is using this place for therapy. And he should not be. Yes he is clinically retarding the discussions regarding inter-sexual dynamics in the current culture, the awareness of how things are and the myriad of ways of Game in order the become agentic men.

    1) A social cognition theory proposed by Stanford University Psychologist Albert Bandura that views people as self-organizing, proactive, self-reflective and self-regulating as times change. An agentic perspective states that we are not merely reactive organisms shaped by environmental forces or driven by inner impulses.

    We see the world as agents of change. We believe that we have choice over our actions and we strive to enable others to make informed, responsible decisions online.

    Humans Online

    We connect people, not machines. We are dedicated to our work because of the humans we get to interact with throughout our creative processes. We are humans first – being connected online is just one of our many states.

    ref: http://www.agentic.ca/agentic-defined

    Therapy is a weak, beta, pussy method of helping oneself. It is Passive. Just going around consuming knowledge and videos is passive as fuck. There is nothing wrong with stealing like and artist. But you have to take others ideas and use them to create something of you own that has value to other members in a small tribe. And use that to create your own vision and perhaps share that with others. To contribute to others. Add value and you won’t get kicked out of an honor tribe.

    If you don’t provide value to the small tribe. The tribe just might kick you out. And then where will you be? Back in the old days in tribes of 75 Indians in North America or tribes of 75 members, 50K years ago out of Africa. What would happen if you were a real pain in the ass, a real dick (that spammed too much and no one cared) and non-contributory to the tribe? Out on your ass and dead.

    So where does that leave Rugby. He’s stuck in stasis, consuming so much, info, porn, videos and other peoples thoughts that he is drownded out by the Noise. He’s in the opposite of Monk Mode. Buffering his bad childhood by constant consumption rather than being in the moment of life and moving forward with masculine self improvement.

    Red pill masculine self-improvement looks something like this:

    Unimportance (prediction avoidance) + heart-mind alignment + intent + outcome independence + mastery + excess energy + struggle + acceptance of performance burden = clarity and consequence.
    That’s why every other day or so I’m in some newish experience by definition but not by theory. The RP script remain valid and fungible.

    Credit for this goes to EhIntellect in a conversation we had today. And it is the sum total of thoughts we have been sharing for awhile via offline field reports and red pill masculine self improvement. And he and my other buddy have actually got to where we want to be and continue to strive, because we don’t seek a completion in life. We still aim to climb mountains and scale higher heights.

    Rugby is making a mockery of this.

    The question remains, is Rugby valuable to the small tribe (figurative small tribe, not literal)? Depends. He did post up a link to an online copy of Alan Watts’ (based on KFG’s tip) The Book; The Taboo About Knowing Who You Are 2 1/2 years ago and it springboarded me into changing for the better. So there’s that.

    Rugby has to accept criticism like a man, get off his ass and change himself. The first step is Action, not passive consuming of content, passing it on and patting himself on the back for it.
    Same thing happened to other former commenters, and where are they now. Softek, Hank Holliday, etc. They refused to move forward. They were Cypher in The Matrix. Wanted to go back to the Blue Pill world. Rugby can’t have Blue Pill idealisms in a dog eat dog red pill aware world. It can’t happen. Accept that and move on.

    P.S.: EhIntellect on a follow on discussion enunciated with a masculine tonality:

    “We believe that we have choice over our actions and we strive to enable others to make informed, responsible decisions online.”

    This is freewill defined. Free-willingly accepting our mortality compels one then to make AND accept the consequence, good, bad, neutral. We are compelled to see our (in)actions as permanent and personal. Thus those actions, in the singular, cumulatively or both must benefit us long, long after our deaths to justify us taking up space today.

    No man can exist inconsequentially. The moment man accepts the meaninglessness of his soul. he will loathe his existence and his soul will die in that ruin.

  17. @Rollo

    If you love rugby like a brother ban him and help him get off the internet……..(not that it really matters he post the same shit on like 40 different blogs lol)

    @Escherlighthouse

    Hopefully Rollo rebans your autistic ass also.

  18. An important part of this community is to be honest starting with ourselves.

    My post telling rugby to fuck off seems to have triggered some and it’s time for Rugby to man up and get help.

    Accommodating him only encourages the alcoholic to drink in moderation but it’s a band aid measure.

    I tried to “Reason” with him a few weeks back… he improved but then went back to his spamming.

    This online intervention was long overdue.

    I do recall the realtalk we gave Softek and a few others…no one seemed to mind.

    Rugby is the special needs child of this board it seems. No more.

    He’s got the message….

    Blax….weird comment rationalising rugby’s bad behaviour by comparing it to your own posting style. Dude. Don’t. These are completely different issues and this is not about you in any way…it’s aboit a guy who pushed our patience too far and now needs a time out. Voluntarily. But he’s on notice. You…post away dude…always insightful … just no Saving Private Ryan clips…

    Have a great weekend dudes…

  19. @Sentient – Wow, look at that Blue Pilled ex go. This is the real risk with Beta bitches. Amazing how he decided to fuck up her life because she “didn’t get his best”. Very interesting, thanks for the insights I’m just catching up.

    Re: Fleezer – Shocking disclosure that he doesn’t find punching the smallest kid in the class problematic. Newsflash for @Fleeze – I’m pretty sure you are an actual sadist.

    @Walawala – Dude, stop with the dime store psychological bullshit about “white knighting” and “being triggered”. That’s not me. I don’t like or tolerate bullies. Period. Nowhere, never. It’s my “thing” you might say. My sense is that @Rugby is a sensitive, troubled young man who connects here in ways that maybe are hard to understand. I do agree he’s hard to engage. I do agree he seems to be ‘stuck’, but then again, we all move at our own pace.

    Also, for me, he’d have to be doing disruptive shit in his comments for me to want to remonstrate him, as I do from time to time with others here. Speaking of that…

    @Blax – Was that supposed to be a jab? Lol. Dude, I’ve got complex ptsd (not in DSM yet but will be), not bipolar disorder. Get your diagnosis straight. I do likely have a bit of an oppositional disorder of some sort too, the result of many physical assaults and altercations, and their resulting traumas as a young person. Due those formative experiences, I’ve found that immediate over-escalation leads to victory in a certain kind of circumstance. As a smaller guy, I’d often have to take the initiative quite quickly in a fight if I was to have a chance, so I’d usually go full maniac instantly. It works really well as a metaphor with assholes in many contexts…The first reaction is usually surprise. My typical move with some large fucktard is an open field tackle at the thighs, which as the first move in a fight is never expected. I just kind of launch myself at them full power and take them down to the ground. Then i mount them at the chest and punch them in the face as many times in a row as I can – you’d be surprised how quick your arms get tired. About 30 seconds of furious pounding usually does the trick though…

    Rhetorically, on the internet, with people who’s reach far exceeds their grasp I employ a similar strategy. Bullies do really get my attention though, as they are truly shitty people, and like I say, i think my role in this world could be described as putting bullies in their place. Baseball bats, fists, whatever…

    There is a lot of butthurt pathologizing of other’s behavior here. This is starting to feel like a crab bucket full of bitches, not a place for men

    Last. @Fleeze referring to THIS as “Fight Club” in justifying the rough treatment of Rugby. LMFAO, like I literally exploded in laughter when I saw this. Let me clue you guys here into a little secret about “Fight Club”. It’s a movie. And nobody who actually fights a lot does shit like that. Fighting hurts.. You get injured. People get arrested. You go to the hospital, sometimes people die. There are some great videos on YouTube of people dying from one punch to the face – they get knocked out, fall down at the wrong angle and suffer a brain injury and bam – done. More simply put? Do you know how long it takes for your face to heal after it’s been beaten? A broken nose? A broken rib? Weeks, months. And such things really hurt. It’s amazing how violence is portrayed in our entertainment media, and I can always tell when I’m dealing with someone who’s never done much fighting by how they react to movies like “Fight Club”. As an aside, I loved the movie, I just saw the fighting as a metaphor for manning the fuck up, which is what many of you pussies here need to do, at the end of the day.

    Fighting isn’t enjoyable, and the very motif of getting together to punch each other out to buff up our manhood is Beta-Boy pathetic BS to begin with. You want to fight? Go find some asshole who needs an ass whipping and give it to him. Take on the real enemies of our society and the West in general. Hell, start a club to assassinate politicians you don’t like. But fighting each other? That’s the self-hating, Blue Pilled, repressed, gamer-soyboy bullshit.

    Even more laughable? The idea that posting well edited comments here is something equivalent to fighting, lol. Hey Fleez, unplug the computer and get out a little more buddy, you’re delusions are showing…

  20. @Walawala – You also seem to see yourself speaking for others here in your abuse of Rugby. On what basis are you using words like “we” and “our”? What authority have you mustered up in that feral mind of your’s? Keep this shit on your account, k?

  21. @Sentient – On the Greitens mistress testimony, I’m conflicted. On the one hand, going back after what she experienced is not believable. But on the other, if her account is true, he’s miscalibrated terribly.

    Let me just play with this for a sec, even if her account isn’t true because I think there is a lesson in there. According to her story, he uses all these manipulative tactics to get her to his house – zero seduction. This is a classic beta tell, trying “trick” a girl into fucking you. I mean the whole “i want to teach you how to do a pullup, get in this workout outfit” – I mean, how pathetic. Zero Game. Fyi, this can be a problem with natural alphas. They don’t know how they get women aroused, they can be ‘unconsciously competent” and basically be running on a template from the last girl he fucked. He might have done this shit with another long term lover, like he ended up doing this routine after they’d been fucking for two years. And that’s his routine now. So he expects the new girl to just go along. But what he’s missed is that while she interested and attracted, there is no arousal. He’s done zero seduction.

    It may be that he’s just so high value, and her crush is so overwhelming that she goes back anyway. I don’t get the sense that she’s an actual sub from her demeanor though. I don’t have any evidence, but I usually can tell a real sub a mile off. So the act of tying her up etc, and restraining her and being rough is going to be a turn off, not a turn on. And again, I note he doesn’t fuck her, she doesn’t get off – guys, if you are going to go all cave man that doesn’t mean you get to skip seduction.

    Arousal takes longer for women. Only when a woman is already highly aroused can you then be rough and really dominant physically. Hint – if she’s crying and begging to be let go, you aren’t doing it right. As I said above, if you are choking her, she’d better be coming like a freight train. You see, this guy just skipped seducing this woman. He manipulated her, he didn’t seduce her (if the accounts are true, which we’ll never know). But I think there are more guys like this out there than many here want to admit. Either angry, vengeful betas like Aziz Ansari, who ape the scenes they see in porn movies with zero emotional context or seductive energy. Like if your first move is “the claw”, sticking your fingers down a chick’s throat when she isn’t aroused, you aren’t seducing. Or middle aged former Navy SEAL natural alphas who perhaps can’t be bothered to actually seduce a woman due to his overweaning arrogance.

    One of the real risks of hanging out in the Red Pill world too much is that we don’t understand that some of what #MeToo is about it legit. Like there really are guys out there who use any leverage/power they have to coerce women into sex. No, I don’t think all men should be painted with this brush, but I also don’t give passes to guys who actually assault and abuse women. I’m not sure what to make of this story, tbh. My spidey sense is that the Gov may be a sadist, just like our trusty contributor @Fleeze.

    Now watch how many people here lose their shit. It’s like saying that I don’t hate Trump on a Mother Jones comment board…

  22. Of the (many, many) false sexual assault accusations I’m familiar with personally, just about all of them involve an angry husband or boyfriend. That’s an immediate red flag to me. They find out, get angry…and then the story becomes “It was against my will….I was duped!”

    “According to her story, he uses all these manipulative tactics to get her to his house – zero seduction.”
    What else would she say? Again, all of this fits a pattern and none of us have enough facts to make any judgements here. Nor will we. It’s not the line that matters, it’s how it is thrown and received.

  23. “Re: Fleezer – Shocking disclosure that he doesn’t find punching the smallest kid in the class problematic. Newsflash for @Fleeze – I’m pretty sure you are an actual sadist.”

    Lol. Fleezer is not a Sadist. He’s one of those good guy Psychopaths. You know the one that is not in prison yet and the one that doesn’t do harm to people.

    Scribbler attributes him doing harm to people because you know, Psyhological projection?

    Domination without feeling? FTW.

    But then again you might have missed my commentary and tuned out the talk about Kevin Dutton’s The Wisdom of Psychopaths. And the goodness of that in the business, finance and financial markets. Good Psychopathy FTW.

    And don’t go teeing off on me for my next few comments. Cause it won’t be pretty.

  24. Yes, Walawala

    Some one is fucking shitting us as in YGBFSM.

    It’s as if the incels run the place (inmates running the asylum) that is dedicated to inter-sexual awareness and an advocacy for masculine sexual strategy (Agency) and disparaging the myths of of the Feminine Imperative and Social Conventions aligned against us. Masculine men with our strategy for the betterment of US, our women and children.

    Blue Pill idealists claiming victim-hood.

    Law #10 comes into play. Avoid/Devoid the Unhappy and the Unlucky.

    Funny how YaReally in his exquisite Genius didn’t seem so Happy and Lucky. And how Scray was too busy for being happy too. What the hell happened there?

    Failure to seek a completion in life on a demand schedule might actually a be a bitch.

  25. In regards to the rugby affair.

    Rugby is using this place for therapy. And he should not be. Yes he is retarding the discussions regarding inter-sexual dynamics in the current culture, the awareness of how things are and the myriad of ways of Game in order the become agentic men.

    1) A social cognition theory proposed by Stanford University Psychologist Albert Bandura that views people as self-organizing, proactive, self-reflective and self-regulating as times change. An agentic perspective states that we are not merely reactive organisms shaped by environmental forces or driven by inner impulses.
    We see the world as agents of change. We believe that we have choice over our actions and we strive to enable others to make informed, responsible decisions online.
    Humans Online
    We connect people, not machines. We are dedicated to our work because of the humans we get to interact with throughout our creative processes. We are humans first – being connected online is just one of our many states.

    ref: http://www.agentic.ca/agentic-defined

    Therapy is a weak, beta, pussy method of helping oneself. It is Passive. Just going around consuming knowledge and videos is passive as fuck. There is nothing wrong with stealing like and artist. But you have to take others ideas and use them to create something of you own that has value to other members in a small tribe.

    If you don’t provide value to the small tribe. It just might kick you out. And then where will you be. Back in the old days in tribes of 75 Indians in North America or tribes of 75, 50K years ago out of Africa. What would happen if you were a real pain in the ass, a real dick and non-contributory to the tribe? Out on your ass and dead.

    So where does that leave Rugby. He’s stuck in stasis, consuming so much, info, porn, videos and other peoples thoughts that he is drownded out by the Noise. He’s in the opposite of Monk Mode. Buffering his bad childhood by constant consumption rather than being in the moment of life and moving forward with masculine self improvement.

    Red pill masculine self-improvement looks something like this:

    Unimportance (prediction avoidance) + heart-mind alignment + intent + outcome independence + mastery + excess energy + struggle + acceptance of performance burden = clarity and consequence.
    That’s why every other day or so I’m in some newish experience by definition but not by theory. The RP script remain valid and fungible.

    Credit for this goes to EhIntellect in a conversation we had Yesterday.

    He went on and said this:

    “We believe that we have choice over our actions and we strive to enable others to make informed, responsible decisions online.”

    This is freewill defined. Freewillingly accepting our mortality compels one then to make AND accept the consequence, good, bad, neutral. We are conpelled to see our (in)actions as permanent and personal. Thus those actions, in the singular, cumulatively or both must benefit us long, long after our deaths to justify us taking up space today.

    No man can exist inconsequentially. The moment man accepts the meaninglessness of his soul. he will loathe his existence and his soul will die in that ruin.

    Harsh? Perhaps. A man accepting criticism? Speaks to:

    A man’s capacity to receive another man’s direct criticism is a measure of his capacity to receive masculine energy. If he doesn’t have a good relationship to masculine energy (e.g., his father), then he will act like a woman and be hurt or defensive rather than make use of other men’s criticism. –Deida

    Rugby is making a mockery of this.

    The question remains, is Rugby valuable to the small tribe (figurative small tribe, not literal)? Depends. He did post up a link to an online copy of Alan Watts’ (based on KFG’s tip) The Book; The Taboo About Knowing Who You Are 2 1/2 years ago and it springboarded me into changing for the better. So there’s that.

    Rugby has to accept criticism like a man, get off his ass and change himself. The first step is Action, not passive consuming of content, passing it on and patting himself on the back for it.
    Same thing happened to other former commenters, and where are they now. Softek, Hank Holliday, etc. They refused to move forward. They were Cypher in The Matrix. Wanted to go back to the Blue Pill world.

    I like Ruby. I like that he has needs as an abused youngster who is now an adult. I like that There are tools to get over a Bad Childhood, and have a Good Life. The keys are sitting right there. Don’t be afraid to use them. Because self destruction is not self improvement.

  26. Our youngest son just got 4000 likes on ifunny within the first hour.
    Anyone give a crap?
    No?
    Sometimes what you think people give a fuck about, no one gives a fuck about.
    Goes both ways, too. I can’t count the number of times I’ve read something that I thought was stupid shite and a few posters later mentioned that it was a great comment.
    You just never know.

  27. Hopefully Rollo rebans your autistic ass also.

    My autistic ass can kick your autistic ass, lol. Autism helps me to focus when I fight. In my last fight, the guy I was fighting was older, bigger, stronger, a better fighter, and had more reach. I beat him exactly how I planned with one blow.

    I don’t like to fight, but when I fight, I like to win.

    Nah, man, I don’t really wanna fight you–just messin’ witcha.

  28. @Scribblerg

    The irony of your post is you don’t apply the less wrong principle to it.

    Lets take your disdain for multiculturalism as an example.

    Britain as a nation has been invaded by the Romans, the Saxons, the Normans and the Vikings (among others). Each conquest leaving it’s mark. The Romans gaves us technological advances such as roads and medicine. The Saxons forced over 90% of the original inhabitants of these shores to flee. Though over time they codified our laws. The Normans settled and improved our armoury and strategic planning in battle.

    Britain became a home to those fleeing persecution from mainland Europe and elsewhere. Jews, French, Dutch and much more besides, emigrated here.

    This self called mongrel nation became the greatest innovators and pioneers in human history. They would build one of the greatest empires the world had ever seen. Only to be eclipsed by their diaspora, who would venture west and create the United States of America.

    Multiculturalism has been happening for thousands of years and is the genesis for the United States.

    It would serve you well to remember that.

    Your persistent obstinacy in turning everything into a left versus right diatribe, does begin to grate. So allow me to address this, also, while I’m here.

    Scribblerg, you’re being dishonest when you state “our elites are so stupid that they failed to recognise the value of dominating an industrial world”.
    Let’s be honest, shall we? The people whose living it was, didn’t want to work those jobs at a sustainable wage to keep those jobs in the west.
    No one wants to hear they have to roll up their sleeves and make some material sacrifices for a job they take for granted.
    We all know this, yet most concoct a series of lies to shift blame away from themselves. I suspect this is what you’re attempting to do here.

    Scribberg, how do you account for a Republican President in Ronald Reagan shipping tens of thousands of U.S. jobs overseas? And what’s your opinion of his predecessor President Jimmy Carter warning the American people of whole industries being lost to overseas competitors, if they didn’t curb their unrealistic expectations?

    I look foward to seeing the cognitive dissonance in your reply.

  29. The people whose living it was, didn’t want to work those jobs at a sustainable wage to keep those jobs in the west.

    Ollie, perhaps if you lived in the States for a bit, you might understand our problems better. Britain lacks a border with Mexico, whose people are ambitious and industrious and easily cross the U.S. border illegally to work in the U.S. for often one third the pay of native workers. It’s a very different problem from Britain’s with Pakistanis who are also very industrious, but arrived legally once upon a time. Pakistani immigration can be easily controlled. The children of Pakistani immigrants won’t work for the wages their parents received. Please correct me if I misunderstand what is going on in regard to British immigrants.

    Many Mexican immigrants return to Mexico to start a business and hire Mexicans.

    Britain is on an island, whereas the U.S. is part of a continent.

    In American politics, immigrants typically vote leftist, so leftists open the door to legal immigration from Asia. This may be similar to Britain.

  30. What the west, and specifically America has figured out, is that massive pain and dissatisfaction dissolves societies and exposed ideologies such as ” left and right ” for what they are – the mindless distractions and masturbation that the lazier among the population relish.

    The pain and disillusionment is postponed by abundant and easy ” credit “. Wanna house? You can get good rates on a 30-40 year mortgage.😁 Want a new car? Everyone gets financed for up to 7 years!! Apply today!!! Wal-Mart has a billion tons of cheap, affordable goods or all kinds. Thanks China…And India… And Pakistan…And Vietnam….And Mexico…and, and, and.

    So people don’t really suffer. Nobody here actually starves to death, but they starve in many other ways.

    When the relatively comfortable, bored, ideologically distracted among us complain and forecast disaster right around the corner, I cheer their efforts to implement mechanisms to bring on the pain and destruction. Without realizing it, they foment the very destruction they complain about, because they can’t see that the wheels have been set in motion generations ago.

    Now it just requires a gentle nudge.

    Hatred and alienation. Miseducation and constant empty distractions. Endless was and towering debt, public and private. Now all you need is a good financial collapse, and America will cease to exist in its current form. And no amount of empty patriotism and cheerleading will be able to bring it back.

    This is the Roman empire part 2, without learning the lessons. A less perfect union.

    But our ruins will be much more impressive.

  31. Multiculturalism has been happening for thousands of years and is the genesis for the United States.

    The original settlers in the U.S. in any quantity were English who came from Holland and that almost entirely English Culture lasted 2-300 years. We had a few Dutch as well. Then in the nineteenth century came Irish (as cannon fodder for Union armies), Italians for their unskilled labor for which positions were plentiful, and Germans, just because we needed sausages and kraut, lol.

    If unskilled positions are plentiful, immigration can be good for an economy. If they aren’t, domestic workers take the hit.

    Planned, deliberate multiculturalism is simply a device to increase votes for leftists through immigration. Leftists don’t care if domestic wages are depressed. And it’s unsurprising that large companies that employ a lot of unskilled labor make major donations to leftist politicians and support leftist politics at the expense of domestic blue collar workers.

  32. Also, don’t listen to anyone hypothesising about ” immigrants ” from a small observational sample size. The conclusions are mostly wildly inaccurate.

    Crony dysfunctional pseudo fascist corporatist government is 100x more damaging than immigration or ” multiculturalism ” see : that thing I reffered to above. Ideologies.😂😂

    Blame the ground for the flood.

  33. Scribberg, how do you account for a Republican President in Ronald Reagan shipping tens of thousands of U.S. jobs overseas?

    Lol, a drop in the bucket. In the U..S. we add/lose 300k jobs in a month. The U.S. economy added 300k jobs many months that Reagan was in office.

    And what’s your opinion of his predecessor President Jimmy Carter warning the American people of whole industries being lost to overseas competitors, if they didn’t curb their unrealistic expectations?

    Yep, just submit to the bullying of the leftists if you know what’s good for ya. You’re gonna get fucked either way.

    Leftist politicians in the U.S. deliberately killed American aviation and pleasure-boat-building industries by increasing the luxury tax substantially. But those industries being lost is somehow the fault of American blue collar workers. Carter was just a leftist bully.

    Ollie, I think you live in a bubble.

  34. Crony dysfunctional pseudo fascist corporatist government is 100x more damaging than immigration or ” multiculturalism ” see

    Blax, your politics are so jejeune.

  35. Blax

    “Crony dysfunctional pseudo fascist corporatist government is 100x more damaging than immigration or ” multiculturalism ”

    Those things follow FROM the corpokleptocracy.

  36. @IRL

    “Emotions are their reality and solipsism is the only way in the storm of hormones, too much is happening inside to look outside.”

    I had some inkling of this but I couldn’t quite put it into words. Thank you for doing exactly that.

  37. “Shocking disclosure that he doesn’t find punching the smallest kid in the class problematic. Newsflash for @Fleeze – I’m pretty sure you are an actual sadist.”

    you’re the smartest dickhead here, right? good

    this isn’t taxpaying voter approved the bell has rung now everybody sit down class. in that class, you bet your smart ass every kid in there has the right to what his fucking taxpaying parent/guardian has bargained for

    this is the fucking internet, not everyone is special government cheese class

    “@Fleeze referring to THIS as “Fight Club” in justifying the rough treatment of Rugby”

    i didn’t justify shit and this is Rollo’s house so what i say or don’t say don’t matter. and this is the internet so what everyone says or doesn’t say doesn’t fucking matter

    “Bullies do really get my attention though, as they are truly shitty people, and like I say, i think my role in this world could be described as putting bullies in their place. Baseball bats, fists, whatever…”

    totally. this is why I would never engage with a smart nut like you and instead dial 911 and have you arrested for assault. I would swear to the complaint and show up to testify in open court against you. I would lie and you would be convicted because I’m very articulate and you’re selling something the jury doesn’t care about or want to buy. people like you stick out like bent rusty nails. you’re used to everyone trying to hammer you back in, whereas I’m getting used to simply stepping over you

    “Let me clue you guys here into a little secret about “Fight Club”. It’s a movie.”

    and let me clue you into something… you are free energy for people like me who love to fight just for the fun of it. watching you spazz out on a regular baisis while making absolutely no progress is a constant reminder of what not to do

    “And nobody who actually fights a lot does shit like that. Fighting hurts.. You get injured. People get arrested. You go to the hospital, sometimes people die.”

    do you always take everything so fucking literally and seriously. i bet you really are a blast at social gatherings

    yes, it is a fact that fight club is a movie. and a novel. and even more so, a metaphor… for going into a sitaution a wad of cookie dough, and coming out carved from solid wood

    “It’s amazing how violence is portrayed in our entertainment media”

    i didn’t write, produce, direct or have anything to do with the making of any of that media, but feel free to take your hurt feelings out on me

    “and I can always tell when I’m dealing with someone who’s never done much fighting by how they react to movies like “Fight Club””

    i can always tell when someone lives inside their own head. on the pain scale, what’s the highest you’ve scored? how about me? how about anyone?

    do i apply to you for manhood certification? is it you who decides if the amount of physical pain I’ve dealt with in my life meets your threshold for understanding it on a grander scale? you’re one smug fucking prick

    “As an aside, I loved the movie, I just saw the fighting as a metaphor for manning the fuck up, which is what many of you pussies here need to do, at the end of the day. ”

    so we do agree. imagine that. art that was effective in communicating its message…

    or I am i missing something. are we actually striking each other here? is everyone else hooked up to some fancy vr headset beating the shit out of each other and ganging up on the runts and beating them into the dirt? oh, right… not the real fight club like in that mean movie. my mistake

    “Fighting isn’t enjoyable”

    false. my friends and I would fight often. did it get out of control sometimes? of course. but it was still fun. so is king of the mountain, smear the queer, hucking chuncks of ice at each other… did you have a childhood?

    “and the very motif of getting together to punch each other out to buff up our manhood is Beta-Boy pathetic BS to begin with”

    maybe. a lot of my friends who I faught with and played sports with did in fact grow up to be beta as fuck. does that mean that no alphas ever faught for fun? good luck pitching that idea.

    “You want to fight?”

    of course. i’m alive

    “Go find some asshole who needs an ass whipping and give it to him.”

    oh really? maybe like my neighbor. other night I hear “i outta punch your goddamn face”. of course he’s talking to his wife and the mother of his children.

    if i’m the great white knight righter of wrongs, I’d march right over there srcib the mighty style and beat the fuck out of him for disrespecting women, totally disregarding all the other times, like 99% of the time, that I’ve seen him be a loving and attentive father and supportive husband and not to mention that it’s none of my fucking business. i’d really hate having you as a neighbor i’m sure

    “Take on the real enemies of our society and the West in general.”

    what the fuck do you think i’m doing here. it’s called training. really though it begs the question, what the fuck are you doing here if it’s not training to destroy your enemy?

    “Hell, start a club to assassinate politicians you don’t like.”

    brilliant. maybe you can be the president and rainere can be treasurer

    “But fighting each other? That’s the self-hating, Blue Pilled, repressed, gamer-soyboy bullshit.”

    instead of president, how about you be in charge of fight preparation, that way we can be totally defenseless when it comes time to go to battle

    “Even more laughable? The idea that posting well edited comments here is something equivalent to fighting”

    everything you claim to hate about this world was put into effect with well-edited comments, aka, legislation. if you think that’s not fighting than you deserve your miserable slow death

    “Hey Fleez, unplug the computer and get out a little more buddy, you’re delusions are showing…”

    i love how you assume i’m not outside right now

    you’re a weird fucking guy, scrib, and I’m glad I don’t know you out there in the real world. but thanks to the internet, i know all the signs of exactly who to stay the fuck away from

  38. Asd

    The more complex and obscure and complicated a concept or idea is to grasp immediately and understand, the more likely it is to be imbedded with bullshit.

    That’s why I understand politics, and call it out for what it is as practiced by the highly political crowd. It’s like a sports team where talent and ability aren’t necessary, but adherents cheer and follow just as closely.

    Lol, like arguments between different factions of feminism.

  39. Pretty interesting to watch Rollo’s OP play out as different men are triggered at the instinct level by the words of other men, leading to emotional responses using higher reason faculties to fire more words back. Those words then trigger others at the instinct level and around the merry-go-round travels.

    Great illustrations!

    PS: Rugby, it is perfectly natural for men to be more visual and less verbal, but you have to push beyond this visual-only stage. Like I said last year, just write a sentence that says a little part of what you need to get out. Then put a period at the end. Then write another sentence that expands a little bit on the first one. Period. Then maybe bring in a little bit different angle in the third sentence. Try to tie it together in the fourth sentence. That’s a paragraph.

    It’s ok to post just one paragraph and take a break. You don’t need to put up a wall of text like some men do. It’s also ok to write a paragraph and then go on to a different thought or issue or pain in the next. Also it is OK if your thought process leads you down a rabbit train and you wind up with a run on sentence that turns into a run on paragraph that goes on for a while…

    Just put a period at the end. Then be done for a while.

    I am telling you this because you are stuck. Stuck-ness isn’t bad per se, it is the heart of some meditation practices – see Robert Persig’s book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance for a long winded but fairly well written example. The problem looks to me that you are emotionally stuck.

    Emotional stuck-ness gets bad for you and everyone around you. Men stuck in the anger phase or the grief phase or the bargaining phase of unplugging are not real useful to themselves or anyone else. They are also a pain in the ass to be around.

    I don’t have a problem personally with Rugby’s video posting – scrolling past them is less annoying that scrolling past a wall-of-text of copywrited material lifted from some other man, for example. It’s just that the vid-posting shows me Rugby is stuck and that’s not good.

    It’s like driving way out in the country and finding someone’s truck in the mud buried up to the axle. Not a good situation, to be stuck that bad.

  40. @theasdgamer April 14 9:50

    I often come back to the Carter and Reagan eras when discussing American politics, as this is when America began it’s present course. By the time Bush senior and Clinton were in office there was nothing America could do to arrest it’s long term socio-economic decline.

    You managed to dismiss the claim of sustainability and trivialise Carter’s prescient warnings while absolving Reagan of blame, when you spoke of the “the bullying left”. This is the cognitive dissonance I was waiting for Scribblerg to subscribe to.

    Your conclusion is the American people would be worst off regardless. But wouldn’t you rather the industrial and manufacture jobs still reside in America, despite being low paid? Or do you prefer what you have today? Which is a damn sight worse.

    p.s. In the UK we made the same mistake. Between 1976-79 our Prime Minister was Jim Callaghan. Callaghan fought tooth and nail to get the unions to agree to incremental wage increases. The Unions wanted inflation busting pay rises. There were constant strikes in protest to the government’s inability to cede to their request, which culminated in what we call the winter of discontent. Where rubbish bags were left piling up in the streets and power cuts were the norm. Even the dead were left unburied. The electorate had had enough by 1979 and voted in Margaret Thatcher with a mandate to govern. She shipped most of our industries overseas and destroyed the unions. Leaving 3 million unemployed. Wales and the northern half of England (those who had caused the most disruption) were left to rot on welfare for a generation.

  41. Lately I have noticed that at site after site aging Boomers with too much time on their hands are forever dragging any convo off to their own nostalgia. The other day I noticed a discussion about possible war over Syria soon devolved to an argument about Migs vs. F4’s over Viet Nam. It is 2018, and 1968 was fifty (50) years ago, yet there is always some group of Boomers ready to see everything in terms of Nam. It is not quite brain dead, but close.

    Because Nam was fifty years ago. It would be exactly like some old man in 1968 trying to argue about the Viet Nam war in terms of trench warfare (1968 – 50 = 1918).

    Baby boomer solipsistic nostalgia. “Viet Nam!” “Kennedy assassination!” “Martin Luther King!” “Disco!” It’s all history book stuff. It’s funny, the Baby Boomers used to get all eye-rolling annoyed about their parents droning on about the Depression. Now look at them, refighting wars from 30 or 50 years ago inside their heads.

    Because the stimulus of certain words evokes and emotional response that leads them to use reason to hammer out words on keyboards.

    I wonder if a million Boomers on a million laptops ranting about history book stuff would ever actually type out all the works of Shakespeare? Or is that something only monkies can do?

  42. I lost a cousin over Hanoi. Maybe he’s under the sofa with the TV (remember those) remote.

    When I was a kid, old people looked at tanks and talked about the old days in the cavalry with actual horses. Now it’s the Boomer’s turn to be the old people.

    Your time will come too.

  43. Anonymous Reader,

    50 years from now you will likely be one of those old worn out has been types blathering about past events like they were more significant or relevant to “real” human nature than the present. If you escape that trap, you will be rare indeed. Your implied denigration of those baby boomers blathering about past events is no different than their implied superiority of past experiences. You see, it is only a matter of perspective. Both are looking at the same old dynamic and all of its factors that has been around for far, far longer than them or you. Nothing is changing except the volume, intensity and pace due to population growth and technological “advancement”.

  44. I’ll admit It is more than a little absurd in my estimation when the baby boomers refer to the “Marching for their lives” crowd (which is essentially the same mom demographic as other anti-gun marches**) as “this generation’s Vietnam.

    **reference available upon request

  45. Oliie free one

    ” The people whose living it was, didn’t want to work those jobs at a sustainable wage to keep those jobs in the west.”

    If you had ever employed these workers you would know that the cost per hour is more than twice the wage due to compliance. Let’s not blame the worker for the decisions made by the legislature or the costs to administrate these rules.

  46. Yeah, profit in the media is a really new and innovative idea for women. They’ve never made money that way.

  47. It was you who cited the problems with the corporatocracy and then went on to imply the press is somehow pure. i’m just stating the obvious….yes, I’m sure it’s probably not the point you wanted to make.

  48. I was once trying to explain to a young city guy how in hot climates off the grid you can cool water (and thus anything you put in the water) by putting it out in the sun.

    He thought I was some kind of retard to think you could cool water by heating it.

    I pointed out that the refrigerators that are used off grid work by heating the exchange gas with a propane or kerosene flame instead of a compressor.

    But I think that just made him think I was a bigger retard, because it’s obvious you can’t cool something by lighting a flame under it.

  49. Be honest.

    I never said the press was pure. I’m not even implying it. Go back, take off your blinders, and take a gander at the cartoon again.

    The corporatocracy is a huge problem. What they are actually doing is where folks get all in their feelings and ideology of left/right nonsense, and they know this. Obfuscation. It’s how you reliably get suckers to consistently vote against their long term self interest.

    ” According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money.”

    Borrowed? What happened to taxes to pay for war? Well, it’s just dandy because ((( I ))) don’t have to pay for anything… Yay Me!!!!

    ” As of September 2014, foreigners owned $6.06 trillion of U.S. debt, or approximately 47% of the debt held by the public of $12.8 trillion and 34% of the total debt of $17.8 trillion. The largest holders were China, Japan, Belgium, the Caribbean banking centers, and oil exporters.”

    But, working stiffs didn’t get the tax breaks….

    Gee, who got the biggest tax breaks ( or paid zero taxes ), and exactly how did that happen?. Really? Truthfully.

    Red Pill. It’s what’s for breakfast.

  50. In a social context isn’t our instincts informed by our reasoning? Social interaction as it stands today wasn’t around long enough for us to exhibit any deep seated emotional or instinctive response to certain social cues. This might explain why men are so malleable to the precepts of the feminine imperative.

  51. Ollie

    Lol. When it’s raining really hard and someone says ” Goddamn leftist meteorologist ..”.

  52. This is a deep water post followed by some heavy duty commentary. That’s why it’s fun to read here. I’m behind though. Still having trouble coming to grips with the idea of Blaximus carefully tending a suburban lawn.

  53. “The corporatocracy is a huge problem. What they are actually doing is where folks get all in their feelings and ideology of left/right nonsense, and they know this.”

    What is their mouthpiece…the mechanism by which they promote such “nonsense”?

    “Obfuscation. It’s how you reliably get suckers to consistently vote against their long term self interest.”

    People vote in favor of short term interests over long term interests all of the time….the key is short term incentives and socializing costs, privatizing gains.

  54. ” What is their mouthpiece…the mechanism by which they promote such “nonsense”?”

    https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/topicimg_uscongress.jpg

    https://www.govtrack.us/static/images/capitol-diagram.jpg

    Most media today, popular media, is practically pure shit. Even ESPN, sadly ( Go Fox Sports ), but the media doesn’t pass legislation.

    If media really influenced super large numbers of people, more of them would vote, first of all, and the PAC’s and SUPER PAC’s and lobbyist would really be shit out of luck. Lol, most of my fellow American’s don’t really know what the fuck is going on, or they have the right wing/ Left wing interpretation of it instead of the facts and truth of what’s in front of their eyes. They seek out what matches their ideology and viewpoint, rendering 90% of ” media ” pretty useless.

    This guy must be spinning in his grave…

    https://marriedwiki.com/uploads/bio/walter-cronkite.jpg

  55. Well, Blax, from what you stated above you should’ve noticed the heavy political machinations in the Republican party were working overtime during the last election to avoid the most popular choice.
    Then contrast this with how the Democratic party works.
    A political outsider candidate (regardless of what you might think of him personally) would NEVER happen there, because the Democratic party is already a machine. They don’t have to worry about an unpopular people’s choice because with their bought out superdelegates they don’t have to. And look at their choice of contender. An exceedingly rich and corrupt politician.
    Just sayin’

    “This guy must be spinning in his grave…”

    If he were alive, he’d be watching it all with a generous glass of Scotch, I”m sure.

  56. The Republican politicians talk the right wing talk, but mostly they walk the left wing walk. Generally, you have a choice between leftist #1 and leftist extremist #2. The Republican constituency, by contrast, is truly right wing.

    I lost all respect for Cronkite when I heard his lies about what was going on in Viet Nam. For some reason he swung hard left at the end.

  57. “I lost all respect for Cronkite when I heard his lies about what was going on in Viet Nam.”

    My dad was a squadron commander in Vietnam and Cronkite interviewed him on television.
    I wasn’t alive to see the interview, but I saw the still photos.
    At any rate, Dad respected him and thought well of him. In hindsight, everyone has their flaws.

  58. Blax, seems like something that happened in 1972-3 affected the wages of low-skilled manufacturing workers. Was there maybe a “peace dividend”? And what has the impact of manufacturing/mining robots been on manufacturing and mining jobs?

    I remember that Japan was killing automotive and electronics jobs in that period.

    Then there have been all these “trade agreements” signed by leftist presidents like Nixon and Carter and Obama.

    While we’re backing out of Nixon’s failed “War on Drugs,” now is also a good time to end Nixon’s insane trade deals that only move our jobs overseas and destroy our middle class.

    MAGA

    https://www.alternet.org/economy/how-richard-nixon-destroyed-american-manufacturing

  59. ollieoxenfree1

    In a social context isn’t our instincts informed by our reasoning?

    No. Exactly the other way around.

    Social interaction as it stands today wasn’t around long enough for us to exhibit any deep seated emotional or instinctive response to certain social cues.

    No. Social cues can trigger instinctual responses that generate emotional reactions.

    This might explain why men are so malleable to the precepts of the feminine imperative.

    No. Three strikes…

  60. Cronkite:

    Who won and who lost in the great Tet Offensive against the cities? I’m not sure. The Vietcong did not win by a knockout but neither did we.

    The U.S. military, however, had grown more optimistic following the Tet Offensive. They saw in the successful rebuke of their enemies’ attacks an undeniable weakening of communist forces and strength. By departing from classical guerrilla tactics and assaulting southern cities, the North Vietnamese had unwittingly pitted themselves against their opponents’ greatest strengths. American organizational, material, and logistical superiority was quickly demonstrated in the early hours of the offensive, and the traditionally unreliable South Vietnamese infantry fought with surprising effectiveness. As a result, the communist forces had suffered heavy casualties: an estimated 50,000 Army of North Vietnam and Viet Cong troops killed, missing, or captured.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tet-Offensive

    The communists lost four divisions in a matter of months. That’s quite decisively a major defeat. Cronkite lied. Of course, Westmoreland lied about casualty figures for years, so the lying wasn’t limited to Cronkite. I don’t like Westmoreland any more than Cronkite. Of course, because Westmoreland had been caught lying about casualty figures, people didn’t believe the military when they announced a victory in the Tet Offensive. But the Tet Offensive was a major victory for the U.S. North Vietnam and the Viet Cong had been hurt so badly that it took them two years after the U.S. abandoned South Vietnam for the communists to conquer South Vietnam.

    Let’s also talk about Khe Sanh…a reinforced brigade of marines and various supporting troops defeated two to three crack divisions of the NVA. The communists wanted a repeat of Dien Bien Phu, but the battle ended up resembling the Battle of Yorktown where the enemy was subjected to heavy bombardment resulting in heavy losses. A friend of the family was S-3 Operations Officer at Khe Sanh and I have read his published memoirs.

  61. anon

    When I was a child, I’d watch Cronkite on the evening news every night with my dad. I actually understood what he was saying. My friends all thought I was a freak watching that boring old man.

    As far as poltical parties go, imo they are both useless and corrupt ( in high numbers, with exceptions here and there ), and they both have sold out the American People. Personally, I don’t claim ” Left ” or ” Right “, even though I’m constantly called a Democrat for some strange reason…lol.

    The democrats definitely have a serious machine, but I think that Hillary finally broke it this time and democrats are mostly irrelevant now. ‘Bout time. Their strategy now seems to be ” watch and wait ” for Trump to have a catastrophic meltdown of some sort. I said prior to the election, if Trump wins, this won’t go well for the country, but banking on that is just plain stupid.

    Lol, scooter libby pardoned ( even if he wasn’t in jail..) sending a message to Manafort and Company – ” sit tight”. Pure Donald.

  62. That link didn’t work ,you get the poijnt.

    “Us and them: how America divided into tribes
    Amy Chua argues that both left and right are to blame for the rise of rancorous identity politics”

  63. As far as poltical parties go, imo they are both useless and corrupt ( in high numbers, with exceptions here and there ), and they both have sold out the American People.

    I agree with this to some degree.

    The democratic politicians are pretty much lockstep extreme leftists. The republican politicians are divided and many of them are leftists as well, tho not as extreme. The media is composed generally of extreme leftists and most republicans try to curry favor with them and end up despised by the republican base. Some few republicans haven’t sold out.

    We have a term for leftist republicans–RINOs…Republican In Name Only.

  64. Men should never ever venture into extremes.

    Right or left. That’s weak behavior and usually gets punished in some form or another.

    I recall when I was younger, stronger, meaner and faster, I was in the ring with a guy who was well known for releasing these massive flurries during a match, nonstop to try and overwhelm. Even though this was his ” thing “, opponents would still find themselves caught off guard by the extremity of his attack. Usually that stuff causes the average guy to cover up and go on the defensive.

    When he went all ballistic towards me I just backed up, which caused him to come in even harder, feinted him once to break his rhythm, stepped to the side and cracked his ribs with as hard of a right hand body shot as I could muster.

    No other way to make him cut it out. 2 more rounds and no more crazy flurries.

    Extreme motherfuckers overwhelm and get a lot of attention, but their numbers are always pretty small. They can be handled as long as you don’t allow their fuckery to overwhelm you and force you into an equally extreme position.

    Fight fire with water, not fire.

  65. @Anonymous Reader April 14 4.34pm

    This post of yours illustrates what I mean. In order to evaluate the written trigger “Three strikes” I had to be aware of baseball terminology and what it represents. I would’ve had to engage my general understanding of sporting vernacular before receiving an emotional response.
    This is the point I was making in the post you dismissed.

  66. Coincidentally I was just reading something about self-defence and fighting (Rory Miller and Marc MacYoung – highly recommended btw) and the author makes exactly the point that Blax makes – that “chain punching” or unleashing a flurry of punches can overwhelm an inexperienced fighter who basically goes defensive because his instincts don’t know what to do or how to respond, but against a trained fighter who has learned appropriate reflexes in how to deal with an attack, it usually means that the attacker is making a bunch of technical mistakes and leaving himself open to a targeted counter-attack.

    Or to put it in other words, if the “shock and awe” of the first attack flurry doesn’t work, the attacker is going to be in a very bad place to handle a counter-attack.

  67. @KFG: on cooling water with sunlight… You were talking conceptually (which I get)?

    Or you were explaining how to do it with low tech gear? Because that I don’t immediately see how to do, and if you know how, I’d like to learn.

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