Instinct, Emotion and Reason

Before I dig in here today I want to give credit where it’s due. I was inspired to consider what I’m about to go into here by a quick-hit Tweet from Illimitable Man. I didn’t bookmark it so I apologize for not linking it here today, but the general gist of it was about the mental processes humans go through when we’re presented with environmental stimuli that demands interpretation and a behavioral response. I considered this process quite a bit while I was studying behavioral psychology – Instinct, Emotion and Reason (or rationality if you prefer) – and I’m almost embarrassed that I haven’t covered this in terms of a Red Pill perspective in over 600 essays now.

The idea is fairly simple; when we are prompted by environmental (and sometimes internal) stimuli human beings process this information using three psychological mechanisms – our primal instincts, our emotional interpretations and our rational (reason) facilities. I’m not sure these processes get their proper due in Red Pill theory today.  I’ve detailed all of these processes individually for years on this blog, but generally they were outlined in the context of whatever topic I was focusing on. In this essay I’m going to elaborate on these aspects individually. Later, as part of this series, I’ll explore how they act in concert for our overall cognitive process, and then how they influence intersexual and intersocial dynamics. I think this is a useful exercise because a lot of foundational Red Pill ideas stem from these processes as well as the social conventions and interpretive priorities the Feminine Imperative relies on today.

For sake of clarity I am going to use a few behavioral psych terms like stimuli in this essay. This isn’t to throw $10 words at you, it’s just easier to elaborate on these processes with abstract terms. For example, when I use stimuli I mean any physical, environmental or cognitive prompt that our conscious or unconscious mind demands an interpretation, processing of and response to. That can be a wide variety of things so, stimuli serves as a general term.

Lastly, the following here is my interpretation of these processes. While a lot of this will align pretty well with established theories, this is my take on them and not some official, settled science of facts. If you think I’m full of shit please tell me why, this is still a work in progress for me.

Instinct

Instinct seems like the easiest of these processes to understand, but it’s really the cognitive aspect that’s most misunderstood, marginalized and often demonized. The reason for this is because our instincts reside in our subconscious (hindbrain) processing of stimuli. When I refer to men or women’s evolved mental firmware in my essays it’s our instinctual process that I’m referring to. These are the unlearned, inborn aspects of our human nature that influence the other processes and remain largely in our subconscious. Our instinctual processing is a direct result of our evolution. It evolved as a vitally necessary aspect of our cognitive processing in that it aided in our ability to survive in, and adapt to, a chaotic, primal environment when food was scarce, predators and rivals wanted us dead, and reproductive opportunities and raising a child to a survivable age were at a premium.

There are a lot of examples of our instinct level processing and each instinctual response triggers more complex processing up the cognitive chain through emotion and reason. If we were presented with a dangerous stimuli (a sabertooth tiger) our instinctual process triggers a fight or flight response physically in our bodies (adrenaline release). Needless to say this was an evolved adaptation that served our species well and was passed along genetically as part of our mental firmware. I’m going to use some simplistic examples here but, if you really want to dig into our preloaded mental firmware and how we developed it I would suggest looking into the earlier works of Dr. Steven Pinker and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley (I’ll post links in the comments).

Another example is human beings’ innate fear (reservations at least) of snakes and spiders – poisonous animals that looked easy to kill, but could kill humans without warning. That’s an example of relatively beneficial firmware, but the reason instinct gets a bad rep is due to the instincts that once were beneficial to us individually, but are less beneficial to us socially. Greed and gluttony were very practical, instinctually motivated behaviors that stemmed from a need to survive in a time when resources were scarce. Today greed is (mostly) seen as anti-social and a compulsion to overeat in a time when food is abundant is why we presently have an obesity epidemic.

Those are easily understood examples, but where things get more complex is in how our instinctual process influences the other processes (emotion and reason). Instinct gets demonized because in our ‘enlightened‘ era we like to believe that instinct is more trouble than it is beneficial. Most of that is due to a belief that our other processes are superior to (or at least should supersede) our instincts. Most of what we call sin or immoral behavior is motivated by the instinctual process. In fact, the only time our instinctual awareness and reactions are really credited with anything positive is when it gets us out of some life threatening situation or it leads to some prosocial outcome. For instance, the male instinct to protect women by putting ourselves between them and danger; that’s an instinct and resultant behavior (seemingly altruistic male self-sacrifice) that gets a lot of praise in our feminine-primary social order. However, for the most part, we tend to judge ‘baser instincts’ as a net negative.

The truth about the instinctual process is that none of our other processes function at full efficiency without it. Today, as a result of our feminine-primary acculturation, we want to relegate instinct’s influence to something “we’ve evolved beyond”. The popular consensus is we’ve raised ourselves above base instincts by either acknowledging the importance of the emotional process or that rationality and the self-control based on it immunizes us from its influence. Not only are these belief foolish and hubristic, they’re provably untrue. When it comes to concepts like the ‘selfish gene‘ and the physical differences in the evolved instinctual processes of men and women, it becomes necessary for a social order based on blank-slate equalism to demonize and marginalize the influence of, and behaviors attributed to, instinct.

The survival benefits and behaviors that make up the instinctual process were so necessary that they had to become part of our unconscious species firmware. Because the instinctual process is part of our animalistic hindbrain mental subroutines it’s something we have little or no direct control over until its effect is brought (often forced) into our conscious awareness. As such, and because we prefer to think of ourselves as emotional and rational beings, we tend to think of the influence of instinct as something we either have or need to have mastery over, and to a large extent this mastery makes sense. The truth is that instinct is an aspect of ourselves that needs to be controlled as well as embraced depending on circumstances.

Emotion

From an evolutionary perspective, the emotional process of interpreting stimuli is a mechanism of how our brains and biochemistry interact to affect our moods, demeanor and ’emotionality’ in response to both instinctual cues and the raw information of stimuli itself. Furthermore, the emotional process can also be influenced and/or modified by the rational process. I’m trying to be concise here, but our emotional response to information/stimuli is very much an evolved dynamic with latent purposes and practical functionalities. I’m making this distinction here because for millennia we’ve raised the effects of emotion to a mythical, metaphysical, importance.

While emotion often has immediate effects on us, emotion also has long term effect with regard to the stimuli it processes. There are dozens of definitions of emotions and there’s no way I’m going to lay them all out for you here. However, popular psychology asserts that there are as many as ten and as few as six base emotions:

  • Anger.
  • Disgust.
  • Fear.
  • Happiness.
  • Sadness.
  • Surprise.

Sometimes Contempt is added to this list. If these seem overly simplistic they are, again, abstracts to build more complex emotions on (some paleo-researchers insist there are only four base emotions across our evolved ethno-histories). For our purposes these base emotions will serve to show the connections between the instinctual process which prompts them and the rational process that modifies and sometimes informs them.

Each of these emotional responses is prompted by how our senses, brain and then instinctual process interprets a stimuli. Again, using our sabertooth tiger example, the instinctual process determines imminent danger and triggers a synaptic and hormonal response to that danger. As a result of that instinctual process an emotional process and response is triggered – likely fear (flight in most cases), but sometimes anger (fight).

Another example: you see an arousing woman (stimuli) at a party who is displaying behavioral cues and environmental indicators of interest (IOIs). Your instinctual process determines a high potential for a reproductive opportunity. From there the emotional process kicks in: hormones and dopamine (and not a small testosterone spike) that your instinctual process triggered flushes your system and serves as the basis for your emotional process to form an emotional response to the same stimuli. If it all passes the smell test that response (hopefully) will be happiness (and a little surprise mixed in).

There is a visceral biochemical interrelation between emotion and the stimuli/instinct relation that prompts the reaction. Adrenaline is one easy example, another is oxytocin or the “love hormone”. This is a bit of a mischaracterization of the hormone. Oxytocin induces feelings of trust and comfort and is thought to be a significant factor in human’s forming pair bonds and parental investments. There’s a lot more to oxytocin’s implications to our evolution than that, but for now lets look at how our biology influences the emotional process.

We proceed from stimuli to an instinctual response. If there is nothing mitigating that response (such as a rationally learned buffer to mitigate it) the next step in the chain is a biological reaction to that instinct – such as dumping adrenaline into our bloodstream or a post-orgasm flush of oxytocin after sex. From there the emotional process picks up the interpretation of this information as prompted by the cocktail of chemicals moving through our bloodstream and affecting our mental and physical interpretation of that stimuli. That biochemical factor prompts one, or a combination, of the base emotions listed above.

From there more complex emotions (feelings) and combinations thereof begin to form an emotional interpretation and response. This emotional response can be anything from a fast, reflexive one to a more nuanced and contemplative one. Furthermore, this emotional interpretation and response can also be modified by our rational mental process as well as our gendered capacity to process emotions. One thing to bear in mind about our emotional process is that it can imprint its interpretations into our ‘hard memory’ – sometimes so significantly that the memory of that stimuli can re-trigger that physical and emotional response.

Gender-modified interpretation of our emotion process is an important aspect to consider in Red Pill praxeology and one I’ll be elaborating on in the next part of this series. Until recently the accepted ‘science‘ about our emotional process has been based on a blank-slate equalist approach to emotion. In fact we still suffer from the outdated presumptions of academia that both men and women process emotion in the same manner, and, in theory, ought to be expected to have an equal capacity to interpret, respond and express emotion. In light of new technology and new research in a variety of interrelated disciplines we know this is old presumption is patently untrue. Men and women have different mental hardware and are born with different mental firmware. Both sexes interpret and process emotion in gender-specific manners.

I’ll be getting into the personal and social implications that the legacy of this (deliberate) misunderstanding presents in the next essay. For now it’s important to consider that human beings have an innate predisposition to elevate the emotional process above instinct and reason. Likely this is due the to the survival dependency we had on our feelings in our evolutionary past. In a time when we lacked the greater rational facilities and information we’ve developed in our more recent past, depending on and learning from emotion, and the latent purposes it serves, was a species-beneficial system. We depended on our emotions to guide our behaviors (long and short term) for us more in our prehistory when we lacked the more developed rational process we take for granted now. Emotions served latent evolutionary purposes for us in our prehistory and today are still overly emphasized – often to metaphysical attributes – as superior to reason. More on this soon.

Reason

The final piece of our interpretive process is reason, or rationality (I’ll use these interchangeably). Ironically, for all of the social preconceptions that our emotions have made us “more evolved” above instinct, it is our rational process that has evolved us above both instinct and emotion. From and evolutionary standpoint our rational process is a relatively recent development; pushing us past the limitations of instinct and emotion. The definition of rationality is the quality of being based on or in accordance with reason or logic. It is the quality of being able to think sensibly or logically and being endowed with the capacity to reason.

Biologically it’s postulated that our larger brains allowed us to develop a capacity for reason, but that doesn’t mean other animals lack the same facility, it’s just that the rational process is less developed (some would say less environmentally necessary) in those animals by order of degree. Dogs, for example, rely primarily on the instinctual process and the mental (vestigial) firmware they’re born with to solve most of their existential/environmental problems. That doesn’t mean that they lack the ability to learn and form novel (adaptive) behaviors using a rudimentary form of logic. Animals can be taught things, but their capacity to form novel ideas and behaviors is limited to their cognitive abilities. Humans, being the apex species on the planet, had the leisure to take the time necessary to evolve a capacity for logic and as such the rational process developed in us.

Of all our interpretive processes reason is the one that takes the longest to function. Our rational process forms our interpretation of stimuli based on information dissociated from the interpretations of instinct and emotion. Reason requires (accurate) knowledge derived from learning and experience, but there is also an improvisational element to the process.

Before I get too far in the weeds here I need to make a distinction; what I’m outlining is the rational mental process we employ to interpret and interact with stimuli, not rationality, the concept of reason or rationalism. That’s important because it’s all too easy to get lost in philosophical implications of reason when we look at the process of how we come to it.

As mentioned above, the rational process modifies the instinctual and emotional processes. Example, in high school, in drivers ed class, we’re taught to turn into a skid rather than turn with the skid. When we’re driving and we find ourselves in a skid our instinctive impulse is to slam on the the breaks and/or, worse still, to turn with the skid. Our self-preservation instincts tells us to do this, but all it does is make a precarious situation worse. However, when we’re taught, and we practice, not hitting the brakes and not turning into the skid, we make this our default reaction and we avoid disaster. This is the rational process interpreting a stimuli and forming a novel behavior that modifies the interpretation of the instinctual process.

The limitation of the rational process is in its necessity to take time to interpret information and develop a new apparatus. Where instinct and emotion are intimately linked with our biological hardware and psychological firmware, the rational process is dissociated from them in the same immediacy. Instinct and emotion are processes that evolved from a survival-need for fast interpretation and reaction. The rational process requires time, repetition and the right biological structures to be effective. Human beings are remarkably fast learners (even with complex challenges), but the learning that the rational process leads to is slow in comparison to instinct and emotion – which are essentially preloaded firmware in humans.

The rational process deals with the nuts and bolts of what we can understand of our reality. From there it can modify the other processes or it can serve to interpret stimuli on its own.

In the next part of this series I’ll be exploring how these cognitive processes interact and cooperate and conflict with each other. I will also consider the gendered advantages and disadvantages these processes represent to our individual experiences as men and women and the influence they play in intersexual and intersocial dynamics.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Lol @ misidentification.

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For Wild Man & marelius – Convinced that the cultural process is a progressive development and that our own culture is the most developed of all cultures, we assume that every change in our cultural condition is evidence of a higher cultural development. This accurately describes a predominant sentiment held by most Americans for several generations. Does it not? For Blaximus – Read “The True Story of Fake News” by Mark Dice. You may or may not agree with everything Mark Dice seems to prefer, however, his work is very well backed up by a reliable combination of sources. I… Read more »

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Sinclair. That bastion of liberal leftism. My point stands y’all in the bright sunshine.😁

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… Tall, not y’all.😠

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all y’all white folk look the same

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My daughter told me about this book. It’s on my ” to read ” list for vacation.

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Think you mean me. Feel free to describe why you’re not a 1980’s conservative. And what you perceive yourself to be.

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Rollo Interesting “Do Alpha Males Deliver Alpha? Testosterone and Hedge Funds” Using facial width-to-height ratio (fWHR) as a proxy for testosterone, we show that high-testosterone hedge fund managers significantly underperform low-testosterone hedge fund managers after adjusting for risk. Moreover, high-testosterone managers are more likely to terminate their funds, disclose violations on their Form ADVs, and exhibit greater operational risk. We trace the underperformance to high-testosterone managers’ greater preference for lottery-like stocks and reluctance to sell loser stocks. Our results are robust to adjustments for sample selection, marital status, sensation seeking, and manager age, and suggest that investors should eschew masculine… Read more »

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@Sentient posing as kfg…or something, lol

Women shouldn’t vote…there should be no affirmative action for anyone…there should be no rape laws…there should be no free stuff for women…no money for higher education…no money for health care…eliminate VAWA and NFD laws…no HUD dept or education dept…etc.

I’m way more right wing than an ’80s conservative…vive la Patriarchy!

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ASD – Did I see you at that Buchanan rally?

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Re: risk taking men, Alphas. Men vs. women as a sex are prone to the extremes. Take SJF’s list above, consider each a slider, jam them all up, psychopathic success, jam certain sliders down, criminal minds. “Harvard’s former president Larry Summers got in trouble (clumsily) explaining a version of the point and lost his job in the aftermath of the uproar. He was trying to say that males and females have equal intelligence, but the male population has more variations and dispersion (hence volatility), with more highly unintelligent men, and more highly intelligent ones. For Summers, this explained why men… Read more »

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http://www.businessinsider.com/sun-valley-conference-attendee-photos-2017-7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_%26_Company_Sun_Valley_Conference What is discussed and organized at the Sun Valley Conference every year since 1983? Why are these particular individuals attending the conference and what are their collective goals? If they don’t have collective goals, then why are they meeting every year like this? Why is press coverage almost completely excluded and details of their meetings held in secrete? For such a significant event, why is coverage of it so scant that most American don’t even know about it, while we are all extremely well aware of “hate speech” “gender identity” and “discrimination”? Why is Wikipedia’s explanation of the… Read more »

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No money for military, no police or fire departments, no federal law enforcement, no federal/stae/local income tax, no foreign aid no industrial regulation, no financial regulation, eliminate the federal reserve, no property rights, no courts, no law, …..

No is pretty easy. Hell, I even agree with a couple of the things I’ve listed.

If you pull on.a thread there’s the unintended consequence of unraveling the entire garment though. That might be a good thing, or a bad thing.

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Hence we see Alphas of all stripes but one thing they have in common is the extreme nature of what they do well.

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On exclusive meetings of elites and conspiracy theorist slurs… from CH https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/04/19/shudderthought-of-the-day/#comment-982888 on April 19, 2018 at 3:35 pmLes Saunders, Protestant “That’s a crazy conspiracy theory!!!!11” is a rhetorical/propaganda weapon developed by some of the same organs who are charged with carrying out the conspiracy. The old line goes: “if it were a conspiracy, someone would talk eventually and blow the lid off the thing.” Sometimes they do talk. And they committ suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head or going for a walk in the woods and being found dead, or simply disappearing. Or having awful… Read more »

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“No is pretty easy” = Alpha reference experience

“Yes is easier than no.” = Beta reference experience

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Try saying no to the NEA, SEIU, AFSCME.

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Blax Read it knowing that Dice is very right wing, however, his book is mostly an account of facts and well documented events. Charles Murrays “Coming Apart” is another factual sociological study backed up by a very large amount of data collected from many credible sources. Although Murray focused is on “white Americans” social changes over the past few decades, it does not mean that he is a white supremacist like the media portrays. He simply focused on that subgroup to illustrate his main point, the country is coming apart. David Brooks (also white) “Bobo’s In Paradise” corroborates Murrays. Brooks… Read more »

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Wildman My Farther/Dad/creator man of the house i learned from invited me to go camping next week. This is an incredible time https://bit.ly/2qMxJjK in my life that he reached out to me about spending time outdoors while speaking with him about life and in general what the red pill is all about. How are you handling your loss? I seem to fit into what Blaximus was speaking about with Bipolar 2 from one end to another i amplify with reaction which is far more of a feminine trait than a masculine trait. In part i went to a film festival… Read more »

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Try saying no to the NEA…

One word…home schooling

lol

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Eh – weirdly enough, continuing to comment here has helped. My Son and I were both into HIIT training and attended a trainer-led HIIT gym together about 3 times per week (except I would go one more day/week – 4 or even 5). We would hang out some after that too – go for coffee – shoot the shit – talk about the way he saw things and the way I saw things – philosophy, women, culture, the whole deal. After he died I went straight away back to the gym. It’s therapeutic, doing the high intensity intervals, giving it… Read more »

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ASD – Did I see you at that Buchanan rally?

No, I was at the Bilderberger event. hehe

Bilderbergers, Davos, Sun Valley, Trilateral Commission, “I can’t keep track of them all” secret groups, Skull and Bones, masons

But, of course, everybody knows that there are no conspiracies and if you say there are conspiracies, you’re automatically a nut

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Sometimes ” conspiracies ” are coded into laws, and interpretation of ” studies “.

Nah, couldn’t be.

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Rugby – thanks for your concern. I’m gonna be alright. It seems to me you are going to be alright too. You remind of my son, some. I think you are actually just fine, man. You are trying to figure things out. That is good. Very very good. Trust yourself. You got a good heart.

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That evening he rose to conscious awareness
(we were told that would be impossible),
with complete cognitive faculty,
until he passed two days later

Your son clearly had strength and courage.

It’s more than that though…
Take it from me,
the fact that he came back with complete cognitive faculty
after and during a massive brain bleed
is proof of his vast intellectual abilities,
mindfulness,
thoughtfulness,
creative genius,
empathy,
compassion,
vision
and drive
in his zest for
and love of life
and of you

Now you know what you have to do

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Your comment was understandable. Thank you for that. I feel I’m reading someone else. Have a nice weekend.

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Sorry, Blax, I forgot your favorite secretive group to hate, or maybe “dislike with extreme prejudice”, the KKK

also the Council of Foreign Relations

Why do the elites meet for a face-to-face? To make it more difficult for journalists to overhear.

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Ha ha. I don’t hate the Kkk at all. Yin and yang. Evil must exist for good/righteousness to have any meaning. And they haven’t been all that secretive, save for the whole ” hooded ” period. Hell, I’ve witnessed a meeting/rally with speeches and closed with a.cross burning…. Oh wait, I was informed that it’s a ” cross lighting ” and not a ” burning “. 😁😁 So I’d agree that groups that must always meet in secret should raise a measure of concern, but the best course of action is to fight and resist and expose bullshit where it’s… Read more »

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New Rollo/Pat Campbell up, Hombres

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Don’t isolate yourself in the process. Ive learned as much about my own grieving.

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What makes a man the most alone and Wealth driven On earth?
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Eh – weirdly enough, continuing to comment here has helped.

Do what you need to do. Compassion, empathy, the search for understanding are all here in various ways. Context is key.

His mother (my ex wive, divorced about 12 year ago) is in a very bad way. I have been going over there and just hanging out with her, maybe bbqing up some dinner, stuff like that, probably about two hours pretty much every evening.

Burden man, always in all ways.

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@SJF I am not jumping in on this to comment on Rugby in particular, because I have not been following all the discussion back and forth. However, this is a solid observation for anyone absorb: “Therapy is a weak, beta, pussy method of helping oneself. It is Passive. Just going around consuming knowledge and videos is passive as fuck. There is nothing wrong with stealing like and artist. But you have to take others ideas and use them to create something of you own that has value to other members in a small tribe. And use that to create your… Read more »

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“Unimportance (prediction avoidance) + heart-mind alignment + intent + outcome independence + mastery + excess energy + struggle + acceptance of performance burden = clarity and consequence.”

I like this equation. Could you expand even a little bit of your definition of each other terms?

I’m heading off to golf. Maybe EhIntelllect can interject. He’s the one that sent me that equation based on concepts that we have been working on in Red Pill buddy-hood. Each one of those plusses is something to work on in masculine self improvement.

Some of them come from the how-to book Reality Transurfing.

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LOLs: – New York Times weighs in on why “Men Quit and Women Don’t” using higher dropout rates for men than women in this year’s Boston Marathon (I wonder what the reason is, although the PR spin from the NYT is clear enough)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/opinion/boston-marathon-women-nurse.html

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@EhIntellect: a few years ago I was bit more naive, and I did the same mistake that Larry Summers did. Fortunately I was just in a social circle, and the negative consequences was just that pretty much all the women there (my wife didn’t, to her credit) tried to scold me for pointing out there could be different distributions for the two sexes, even though the average seemed to be similar.

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“Therapy is a weak, beta, pussy method of helping oneself. It is Passive” Sometimes it’s necessary (e.g. returning combat veterans with PTSD). Goal is to get folks back to normal baseline so they can leave therapy (same for meds – get the wiring normalized, brain re-sets, can wean off meds). Analogy is busted leg: cast & crutches until leg heals; therapy to get back in the game. (No one would tell someone that treatment is weakness and that real men walk around on broken legs.) Brain is just another organ; therapy & meds are simply tools in the medical arsenal.… Read more »

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You don’t. You post links. Cut and paste the url.

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@Seraph and JT “Therapy is a weak, beta, pussy method of helping oneself. It is Passive. Just going around consuming knowledge and videos is passive as fuck. There is nothing wrong with stealing like and artist. But you have to take others ideas and use them to create something of you own that has value to other members in a small tribe.” O.K. let me give a mea culpa here/there. I really mis-poke there. And I was garbling my message. You guys steered it strait. Where I was mistaken and at fault there was I was mixing up some thoughts… Read more »

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@Seraph Well golf was a roller-coaster today, the best if times and the worst of times. The wedges in the mud with barely growing grass was hell. I had so many snowman 8’s in 18 holes, it defies dignity. But I did have a stretch of four pars in a row on par four holes and I did drain a 25 foot tricky put on a 180 yard par three for a 2 (birdie). But worst round ever score wise. And the company–other couple- was good. And one point I complimented him for the fact that they didn’t talk to… Read more »

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Emdr is just something i am looking into. The comments early on are a great observation and their is a truth in everything observed. I know my improvement’s i also know my faults.

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After 26.2 you get into a zone. Most women ive run with are the strongest people ive ever seen in ruunning community. Look at Pam reed
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But i have always bonded with men in the process My farther being the first.

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SJF April 21, 2018 at 7:28 pm You cool dude, SJF. Yah, I don’t like the word either. Still, the sense of “weak” definitely valid from a greater perspective. Men are into things; women are into people. “People professions” are therefore known (on the limbic “gut” sense) as inherently feminine, therefore “weak” – and so men eschew them. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/upshot/why-men-dont-want-the-jobs-done-mostly-by-women.html Even when stuck in “people work,” the man tends heavily towards the cool detached intellectually intensive thinking/theoretical/mechanistic element; the woman towards the warm sticky interpersonal “feeling” application. So, the hospital nurse’s aides (almost always women) feed and otherwise tend to patients.… Read more »

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And “therapy” is people work.

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@ Wildman I am sorry for your loss. Your story makes me realize that I need to spend more time with my son @ General Follow-up Comment It just so happened that my wife left on a trip. I had an errand to run with my son. We first went out for lunch, walked through a small festival, heard a lousy rendition of “Lola” and came back to his car. We could see a female police officer beginning to write a ticket, but we were unable to cross right away due to traffic. I told him that maybe we could… Read more »

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“Umm, Sorry? I said that original comment wrong. It’s not what I meant. I meant the terminology of the word is weak relative to the term masculine self improvement.”

To me the term “masculine self improvement”, when used excessively (like, more than once) sounds a bit like a bumper sticker. Brings up images of “culture of love, care, and respect”, “taking care of airmen and their families” and other slogans that are intended to convey meaning but actually indirectly undermine meaning simply by repetition.

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@Anon

Once again, my expressed words failed me.

I’m talking about actually making oneself better. To the point where the girl wants to fuck you with desire.

To have the guy improve to the point where he actually does just get it because of red pill and improved game. From this guy’s point of view, it is entirely possible.

I’m sure your INTJ personality functional traits can parse that. But you’re not so sure some guys can actually come around fully to get good enough.

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SJF, I understood what you’re saying….you’re not saying it poorly either.
I’m just throwing out there: the repeated statement is kind of killing me.
I might be the only one, but I doubt it, so I thought I’d take the opportunity to mention it
(for example you used the phrase four times in that one post)
Just for effectiveness of the overall message, too often repetition kills. Not arguing with anything you said.

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@SJF REALLY appreciate the detailed response. I am going to retain that for further study and application. Some of what is in then I have already found myself doing (like disengaging more from the day to day politics BS for one) but it is good to see an explanation for it which encourages one to do it more. I would like to respond in more detail because, A) by writing I understand the points more, B) it might shed some light for others, so a quick observation. One might sum this up as the Laws of Conservation of Mental Energy.… Read more »

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@Anon I don’t understand your point. You wouldn’t exhort your sons to read a bumper sticker: Masculine self improvement–It’s what’s for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner? Be better at being a man rather than merely being a “Good Man”. You would tend to tell your sons “Just be Yourself” rather than look at what your father does, his actions, in real life? What gives? Too many boys don’t do that. I don’t think repetition of that message here is counter-productive. I think the message is too often understated. Does masculine self improvement rob you of feminine agency? You only like males… Read more »

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One might sum this up as the Laws of Conservation of Mental Energy. Anything you think about, put mental energy into, takes it away from something else. It all matters.

Spend Wisely.

@Seraph

I don’t believe that for a minute. The mind is complex and adaptable and able to put down more myelin and forge more pathways the more you think. The mind has infinite capacity to stuff shit into it.

But there is on the other hand a concept called The Law of Least Effort (which is what your plane analogy seems to be alluding to):

http://www.girlschase.com/content/law-least-effort

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“The mind is complex and adaptable and able to put down more myelin and forge more pathways the more you think.”

But has a limited capacity for focusing mental energy (i.e. give attention to) pathways at any given instant, hence correct management of Potential Mental Energy in the form of attention is critical.

See Keith Code’s Soft Science of Roadracing Motorcycles. An abstract thinker can apply the fundamental psychology of performance it discusses to any other field of performance.

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“An abstract thinker…..”

Can hold more thoughts in his brain.

Because abstractions are more efficient than concretes.

And they can still perform when the rubber meets the road.

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When the rubber meets the road most of your neuro-physical behaviours will default to conditioned patterns, which is what allows you to walk, chew gum and hold a conversation all at the same time. Only the conversation requires much focused attention if the patterns for walking and gum chewing are strongly reenforced. Rough terrain will impede conversation because it draws more of your focused attention from the conversation than walking on smooth pavement.

So managing your patterning is critical to critical attention management.

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“You wouldn’t exhort your sons to read a bumper sticker: Masculine self improvement–It’s what’s for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner? Be better at being a man rather than merely being a “Good Man”. You would tend to tell your sons “Just be Yourself” rather than look at what your father does, his actions, in real life?” “Just be yourself” is also a slogan (though an inferior one). When a slogan is repeated too often in slogan form, the message is lost…so the way I would teach my sons (or my spouse would at any rate) is to lead by example, and… Read more »

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“Unimportance (prediction avoidance) + heart-mind alignment + intent + outcome independence + mastery + excess energy + struggle + acceptance of performance burden = clarity and consequence.” Hi seraph. Unimportance vs. outcome independence I wrote that to SJF as there’s not much original being written theoretically but the language is updated for the times or is presented in different contexts to create a novelty feel to something understood long ago. I was formulating some of my resources and readings and that’s what rendered after 30 seconds. Unimportance, a transurfing term and, IMO, is an attempt to mentally reduce striving, avoiding… Read more »

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I have intentionally limited my comments—journaling many, because I believe in the platinum rule, getting out of the 5 stages, men choosing how to live their lives and I accept that men are well within their rights to advocate for their own self-interest. Lie, if you will. So, if Blaximus wants to run the blacks are always the victims script—fine, done. What I strongly object to is Blaximus preaching rugged individualism and openness to racial diversity in his TRM commentary, but pushing for political action for his black identity group. That’s not red pill—that’s salesmanship. As I see it, he’s… Read more »

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Shaddup If. You’re commenting in a manosphere blog, where men talk about issues and how something’s just aren’t right, but for some reason… this subject upsets you. I don’t preach. And yes, I’m open to racial diversity ( a no-no in the sphere mostly…but I don’t see you talking about that any ) and I don’t push for political action. You are 100% wrong on all counts. Par. According to your logic, There Is No Feminine Imperative , right? Men just like to play victim and complain. You can’t have it both ways. Actually, you can have it both ways,… Read more »

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P.S. For those reading along : I did not bring any subject up. I usually don’t because I don’t want to hear the same old opinions like If I fucked just dragged out. Again. Evidently he’s triggered and needs to get something off of his chest, and he thinks I have a target on my back or something. Let’s stick to our usual topics. There’s nothing I have to say on race that most here want to hear, and vice versa. There is no understanding or logic or discussion. There’s only what you think and believe and nothing will ever… Read more »

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“….The Feminine Imperative and the Black Imperative work in the same way—shaming, playing victimhood and seeking advantage. They are both insatiable—beware!”

” Lie, if you will. So, if Blaximus wants to run the blacks are always the victims script—fine, done”

… he was doing a bunch of cussing, like I was in the wrong for trying to save my life…..

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGHji60FP50&w=1280&h=720%5D

Wrap. I’ll wait for Rollo to post up the next.

Peace.

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Here’s an example of critical outcome independence and unimportance. My basement utility sink supply line valve leaks. I plan to fix it today. Small copper stub from fiberboard wall. I remove vslves but the brass collars are stuck. I Dremel them off. I attach the new lines but didn’t notice the etch I created with the Dremel. Leak. Fuck. There’s little copper to work with and my new snap on fittings are in place. I’ve placed importance on the result so I’m irked and am pissy about it now. I can’t evaluate my options until I’ll settle down. Im not… Read more »

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Wild Man although I’m late to this round of comments please accept my humble sympathy for your loss. It is a bittersweet good thing to be able to communicate with someone while they are dying, but in the long run it may well be helpful to you across years. Keep on writing here, your last comment was very cogent and on the mark.

You might consider contributing what you’ve learned about High Intensitty Interval Training, too.
Take care of yourself, take care of your ex.

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@ Blaximus

Cool video about a brave man taking action to save himself and as a result, saving others. I would definitely want him by my side if stuff happened.

It doesn’t relate to the issue. So far, your strongest rebuttal has been your first, “Shaddup If.”
The rest was, “I’m not doing what you are seeing me doing, oh, and look at this cool video.”

Peace to you as well.

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@EhIntellect Allow me to go off the rails a bit with your comment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance Quote: In Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Pirsig explores the meaning and concept of “quality”; a term he conceives as undefinable. Pirsig’s thesis is that to truly experience quality one must both embrace and apply it as best fits the requirements of the situation. According to Pirsig, such an approach would avoid a great deal of frustration and dissatisfaction common to modern life. In the book, the Narrator describes the “Romantic” approach to life of his friend, John Sutherland, who chooses not to learn… Read more »

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kfg When the rubber meets the road most of your neuro-physical behaviours will default to conditioned patterns, We don’t as a rule “rise to the challenge” so much as “default to patterns”. Steer into the skid on ice often enough and it becomes another unconscious competence. As kfg said, a lot of behavior is a background process. The more behaviors one can put in the semi-autonomous background, the more complex foreground behavior can be. Up to a point. If I remember right, William James got that much correct; other things not so much. But there’s an upper bound to any… Read more »

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When your needed
https://bit.ly/2K5qnRu
Self interest
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https://bit.ly/2K68fqB
Off to rest.

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Haters will say Rollo is anti-marriage. But what he says is the truth.

“Mother-of-two admits she finds her husband so unattractive she can’t LOOK at him in the bedroom – but won’t leave him because she needs his ‘financial support”

“… the woman had said off air that she ‘winces’ when her husband touches her.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5645713/Woman-refuses-leave-husband-doesnt-love-him.html

In present times there is nothing for a man to gain in a marriage.

Suck on this JBP and Stefan Molyneux, “Man Up and Marry the Sluts” – I say NO.

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@ incubus rising

Nothing? In no uncertain terms, nothing?

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@ SJF Rick Sanchez on therapy: “Because I don’t respect therapy, because I’m a scientist. Because I invent, transform, create, and destroy for a living, and when I don’t like something about the world, I change it. And I don’t think going to a rented office in a strip mall to listen to some agent of averageness explain which words mean which feelings has ever helped anyone do anything. I think it’s helped a lot of people get comfortable and stop panicking, which is a state of mind we value in the animals we eat, but not something I want… Read more »

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@EhIntellect. Lol. https://youtu.be/-5G0mUUZb-w https://youtu.be/PVa8xxRypeg Dr. Wong: Rick, the only connection between your unquestionable intelligence and the sickness destroying your family is that everyone in your family, you included, use intelligence to justify sickness. You seem to alternate between viewing your own mind as an unstoppable force and as an inescapable curse, and I think it’s because the only truly unapproachable concept for you is that it’s your mind, within your control. You chose to come here, you chose to talk, to belittle my vocation, just as you chose to become a pickle. You are the master of your universe and… Read more »

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It’s a bitter pill to swallow (of course) but virtually all my success and definitely all my positive experiences with women are down to reason. Instinct and emotion only ever offered up Mr Nice Guy. Reading an article about a ridiculous character called Badboy then Strauss’ The Game did more than any internal impulse. But then again is that really right? Or was it that my reason (by far my superseder of the trio) was tricked be equalism into to believing I could “be myself” and if we’re all the same why can’t a good looking but LSE guy achieve… Read more »

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Brother Rollo, this essay of yours EXACTLY the way it is structured must be taught at schools.

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For more scientific perspective= Ecological approach to the visual perception (j.j. Gibson)

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Writing/personal story-telling are essentially a blank-slate Rorschachs of the writer/teller, here be tales of woe –

Perfectly demonstrating not only instinct>emotion>reason of women,

https://www.thecut.com/2019/09/coming-forward-about-sexual-assault-and-what-comes-after.html?et_rid=1791813095&s_campaign=fastforward:newsletter

but also the indelible solipsism.

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