Instinct, Emotion and Reason

Before I dig in here today I want to give credit where it’s due. I was inspired to consider what I’m about to go into here by a quick-hit Tweet from Illimitable Man. I didn’t bookmark it so I apologize for not linking it here today, but the general gist of it was about the mental processes humans go through when we’re presented with environmental stimuli that demands interpretation and a behavioral response. I considered this process quite a bit while I was studying behavioral psychology – Instinct, Emotion and Reason (or rationality if you prefer) – and I’m almost embarrassed that I haven’t covered this in terms of a Red Pill perspective in over 600 essays now.

The idea is fairly simple; when we are prompted by environmental (and sometimes internal) stimuli human beings process this information using three psychological mechanisms – our primal instincts, our emotional interpretations and our rational (reason) facilities. I’m not sure these processes get their proper due in Red Pill theory today.  I’ve detailed all of these processes individually for years on this blog, but generally they were outlined in the context of whatever topic I was focusing on. In this essay I’m going to elaborate on these aspects individually. Later, as part of this series, I’ll explore how they act in concert for our overall cognitive process, and then how they influence intersexual and intersocial dynamics. I think this is a useful exercise because a lot of foundational Red Pill ideas stem from these processes as well as the social conventions and interpretive priorities the Feminine Imperative relies on today.

For sake of clarity I am going to use a few behavioral psych terms like stimuli in this essay. This isn’t to throw $10 words at you, it’s just easier to elaborate on these processes with abstract terms. For example, when I use stimuli I mean any physical, environmental or cognitive prompt that our conscious or unconscious mind demands an interpretation, processing of and response to. That can be a wide variety of things so, stimuli serves as a general term.

Lastly, the following here is my interpretation of these processes. While a lot of this will align pretty well with established theories, this is my take on them and not some official, settled science of facts. If you think I’m full of shit please tell me why, this is still a work in progress for me.


Instinct seems like the easiest of these processes to understand, but it’s really the cognitive aspect that’s most misunderstood, marginalized and often demonized. The reason for this is because our instincts reside in our subconscious (hindbrain) processing of stimuli. When I refer to men or women’s evolved mental firmware in my essays it’s our instinctual process that I’m referring to. These are the unlearned, inborn aspects of our human nature that influence the other processes and remain largely in our subconscious. Our instinctual processing is a direct result of our evolution. It evolved as a vitally necessary aspect of our cognitive processing in that it aided in our ability to survive in, and adapt to, a chaotic, primal environment when food was scarce, predators and rivals wanted us dead, and reproductive opportunities and raising a child to a survivable age were at a premium.

There are a lot of examples of our instinct level processing and each instinctual response triggers more complex processing up the cognitive chain through emotion and reason. If we were presented with a dangerous stimuli (a sabertooth tiger) our instinctual process triggers a fight or flight response physically in our bodies (adrenaline release). Needless to say this was an evolved adaptation that served our species well and was passed along genetically as part of our mental firmware. I’m going to use some simplistic examples here but, if you really want to dig into our preloaded mental firmware and how we developed it I would suggest looking into the earlier works of Dr. Steven Pinker and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley (I’ll post links in the comments).

Another example is human beings’ innate fear (reservations at least) of snakes and spiders – poisonous animals that looked easy to kill, but could kill humans without warning. That’s an example of relatively beneficial firmware, but the reason instinct gets a bad rep is due to the instincts that once were beneficial to us individually, but are less beneficial to us socially. Greed and gluttony were very practical, instinctually motivated behaviors that stemmed from a need to survive in a time when resources were scarce. Today greed is (mostly) seen as anti-social and a compulsion to overeat in a time when food is abundant is why we presently have an obesity epidemic.

Those are easily understood examples, but where things get more complex is in how our instinctual process influences the other processes (emotion and reason). Instinct gets demonized because in our ‘enlightened‘ era we like to believe that instinct is more trouble than it is beneficial. Most of that is due to a belief that our other processes are superior to (or at least should supersede) our instincts. Most of what we call sin or immoral behavior is motivated by the instinctual process. In fact, the only time our instinctual awareness and reactions are really credited with anything positive is when it gets us out of some life threatening situation or it leads to some prosocial outcome. For instance, the male instinct to protect women by putting ourselves between them and danger; that’s an instinct and resultant behavior (seemingly altruistic male self-sacrifice) that gets a lot of praise in our feminine-primary social order. However, for the most part, we tend to judge ‘baser instincts’ as a net negative.

The truth about the instinctual process is that none of our other processes function at full efficiency without it. Today, as a result of our feminine-primary acculturation, we want to relegate instinct’s influence to something “we’ve evolved beyond”. The popular consensus is we’ve raised ourselves above base instincts by either acknowledging the importance of the emotional process or that rationality and the self-control based on it immunizes us from its influence. Not only are these belief foolish and hubristic, they’re provably untrue. When it comes to concepts like the ‘selfish gene‘ and the physical differences in the evolved instinctual processes of men and women, it becomes necessary for a social order based on blank-slate equalism to demonize and marginalize the influence of, and behaviors attributed to, instinct.

The survival benefits and behaviors that make up the instinctual process were so necessary that they had to become part of our unconscious species firmware. Because the instinctual process is part of our animalistic hindbrain mental subroutines it’s something we have little or no direct control over until its effect is brought (often forced) into our conscious awareness. As such, and because we prefer to think of ourselves as emotional and rational beings, we tend to think of the influence of instinct as something we either have or need to have mastery over, and to a large extent this mastery makes sense. The truth is that instinct is an aspect of ourselves that needs to be controlled as well as embraced depending on circumstances.


From an evolutionary perspective, the emotional process of interpreting stimuli is a mechanism of how our brains and biochemistry interact to affect our moods, demeanor and ’emotionality’ in response to both instinctual cues and the raw information of stimuli itself. Furthermore, the emotional process can also be influenced and/or modified by the rational process. I’m trying to be concise here, but our emotional response to information/stimuli is very much an evolved dynamic with latent purposes and practical functionalities. I’m making this distinction here because for millennia we’ve raised the effects of emotion to a mythical, metaphysical, importance.

While emotion often has immediate effects on us, emotion also has long term effect with regard to the stimuli it processes. There are dozens of definitions of emotions and there’s no way I’m going to lay them all out for you here. However, popular psychology asserts that there are as many as ten and as few as six base emotions:

  • Anger.
  • Disgust.
  • Fear.
  • Happiness.
  • Sadness.
  • Surprise.

Sometimes Contempt is added to this list. If these seem overly simplistic they are, again, abstracts to build more complex emotions on (some paleo-researchers insist there are only four base emotions across our evolved ethno-histories). For our purposes these base emotions will serve to show the connections between the instinctual process which prompts them and the rational process that modifies and sometimes informs them.

Each of these emotional responses is prompted by how our senses, brain and then instinctual process interprets a stimuli. Again, using our sabertooth tiger example, the instinctual process determines imminent danger and triggers a synaptic and hormonal response to that danger. As a result of that instinctual process an emotional process and response is triggered – likely fear (flight in most cases), but sometimes anger (fight).

Another example: you see an arousing woman (stimuli) at a party who is displaying behavioral cues and environmental indicators of interest (IOIs). Your instinctual process determines a high potential for a reproductive opportunity. From there the emotional process kicks in: hormones and dopamine (and not a small testosterone spike) that your instinctual process triggered flushes your system and serves as the basis for your emotional process to form an emotional response to the same stimuli. If it all passes the smell test that response (hopefully) will be happiness (and a little surprise mixed in).

There is a visceral biochemical interrelation between emotion and the stimuli/instinct relation that prompts the reaction. Adrenaline is one easy example, another is oxytocin or the “love hormone”. This is a bit of a mischaracterization of the hormone. Oxytocin induces feelings of trust and comfort and is thought to be a significant factor in human’s forming pair bonds and parental investments. There’s a lot more to oxytocin’s implications to our evolution than that, but for now lets look at how our biology influences the emotional process.

We proceed from stimuli to an instinctual response. If there is nothing mitigating that response (such as a rationally learned buffer to mitigate it) the next step in the chain is a biological reaction to that instinct – such as dumping adrenaline into our bloodstream or a post-orgasm flush of oxytocin after sex. From there the emotional process picks up the interpretation of this information as prompted by the cocktail of chemicals moving through our bloodstream and affecting our mental and physical interpretation of that stimuli. That biochemical factor prompts one, or a combination, of the base emotions listed above.

From there more complex emotions (feelings) and combinations thereof begin to form an emotional interpretation and response. This emotional response can be anything from a fast, reflexive one to a more nuanced and contemplative one. Furthermore, this emotional interpretation and response can also be modified by our rational mental process as well as our gendered capacity to process emotions. One thing to bear in mind about our emotional process is that it can imprint its interpretations into our ‘hard memory’ – sometimes so significantly that the memory of that stimuli can re-trigger that physical and emotional response.

Gender-modified interpretation of our emotion process is an important aspect to consider in Red Pill praxeology and one I’ll be elaborating on in the next part of this series. Until recently the accepted ‘science‘ about our emotional process has been based on a blank-slate equalist approach to emotion. In fact we still suffer from the outdated presumptions of academia that both men and women process emotion in the same manner, and, in theory, ought to be expected to have an equal capacity to interpret, respond and express emotion. In light of new technology and new research in a variety of interrelated disciplines we know this is old presumption is patently untrue. Men and women have different mental hardware and are born with different mental firmware. Both sexes interpret and process emotion in gender-specific manners.

I’ll be getting into the personal and social implications that the legacy of this (deliberate) misunderstanding presents in the next essay. For now it’s important to consider that human beings have an innate predisposition to elevate the emotional process above instinct and reason. Likely this is due the to the survival dependency we had on our feelings in our evolutionary past. In a time when we lacked the greater rational facilities and information we’ve developed in our more recent past, depending on and learning from emotion, and the latent purposes it serves, was a species-beneficial system. We depended on our emotions to guide our behaviors (long and short term) for us more in our prehistory when we lacked the more developed rational process we take for granted now. Emotions served latent evolutionary purposes for us in our prehistory and today are still overly emphasized – often to metaphysical attributes – as superior to reason. More on this soon.


The final piece of our interpretive process is reason, or rationality (I’ll use these interchangeably). Ironically, for all of the social preconceptions that our emotions have made us “more evolved” above instinct, it is our rational process that has evolved us above both instinct and emotion. From and evolutionary standpoint our rational process is a relatively recent development; pushing us past the limitations of instinct and emotion. The definition of rationality is the quality of being based on or in accordance with reason or logic. It is the quality of being able to think sensibly or logically and being endowed with the capacity to reason.

Biologically it’s postulated that our larger brains allowed us to develop a capacity for reason, but that doesn’t mean other animals lack the same facility, it’s just that the rational process is less developed (some would say less environmentally necessary) in those animals by order of degree. Dogs, for example, rely primarily on the instinctual process and the mental (vestigial) firmware they’re born with to solve most of their existential/environmental problems. That doesn’t mean that they lack the ability to learn and form novel (adaptive) behaviors using a rudimentary form of logic. Animals can be taught things, but their capacity to form novel ideas and behaviors is limited to their cognitive abilities. Humans, being the apex species on the planet, had the leisure to take the time necessary to evolve a capacity for logic and as such the rational process developed in us.

Of all our interpretive processes reason is the one that takes the longest to function. Our rational process forms our interpretation of stimuli based on information dissociated from the interpretations of instinct and emotion. Reason requires (accurate) knowledge derived from learning and experience, but there is also an improvisational element to the process.

Before I get too far in the weeds here I need to make a distinction; what I’m outlining is the rational mental process we employ to interpret and interact with stimuli, not rationality, the concept of reason or rationalism. That’s important because it’s all too easy to get lost in philosophical implications of reason when we look at the process of how we come to it.

As mentioned above, the rational process modifies the instinctual and emotional processes. Example, in high school, in drivers ed class, we’re taught to turn into a skid rather than turn with the skid. When we’re driving and we find ourselves in a skid our instinctive impulse is to slam on the the breaks and/or, worse still, to turn with the skid. Our self-preservation instincts tells us to do this, but all it does is make a precarious situation worse. However, when we’re taught, and we practice, not hitting the brakes and not turning into the skid, we make this our default reaction and we avoid disaster. This is the rational process interpreting a stimuli and forming a novel behavior that modifies the interpretation of the instinctual process.

The limitation of the rational process is in its necessity to take time to interpret information and develop a new apparatus. Where instinct and emotion are intimately linked with our biological hardware and psychological firmware, the rational process is dissociated from them in the same immediacy. Instinct and emotion are processes that evolved from a survival-need for fast interpretation and reaction. The rational process requires time, repetition and the right biological structures to be effective. Human beings are remarkably fast learners (even with complex challenges), but the learning that the rational process leads to is slow in comparison to instinct and emotion – which are essentially preloaded firmware in humans.

The rational process deals with the nuts and bolts of what we can understand of our reality. From there it can modify the other processes or it can serve to interpret stimuli on its own.

In the next part of this series I’ll be exploring how these cognitive processes interact and cooperate and conflict with each other. I will also consider the gendered advantages and disadvantages these processes represent to our individual experiences as men and women and the influence they play in intersexual and intersocial dynamics.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

582 comments on “Instinct, Emotion and Reason

  1. ASD

    Think you mean me. Feel free to describe why you’re not a 1980’s conservative. And what you perceive yourself to be.

  2. Rollo


    “Do Alpha Males Deliver Alpha? Testosterone and Hedge Funds”

    Using facial width-to-height ratio (fWHR) as a proxy for testosterone, we show that
    high-testosterone hedge fund managers significantly underperform low-testosterone
    hedge fund managers after adjusting for risk. Moreover, high-testosterone managers
    are more likely to terminate their funds, disclose violations on their Form ADVs, and
    exhibit greater operational risk. We trace the underperformance to high-testosterone
    managers’ greater preference for lottery-like stocks and reluctance to sell loser stocks.
    Our results are robust to adjustments for sample selection, marital status, sensation
    seeking, and manager age, and suggest that investors should eschew masculine hedge
    fund managers.

    Coming war on alpha? Up with Soy? What’s the angle here?

    [note – finance of all stripes today is rife with betas… betas are the ones who grind their way into it… good schools, good grades, good jobs, follow the plan…]

    “What about hard work?”

  3. @Sentient posing as kfg…or something, lol

    Women shouldn’t vote…there should be no affirmative action for anyone…there should be no rape laws…there should be no free stuff for women…no money for higher education…no money for health care…eliminate VAWA and NFD laws…no HUD dept or education dept…etc.

    I’m way more right wing than an ’80s conservative…vive la Patriarchy!

  4. Re: risk taking men, Alphas.

    Men vs. women as a sex are prone to the extremes.

    Take SJF’s list above, consider each a slider, jam them all up, psychopathic success, jam certain sliders down, criminal minds.

    “Harvard’s former president Larry Summers got in trouble (clumsily) explaining a version of the point and lost his job in the aftermath of the uproar. He was trying to say that males and females have equal intelligence, but the male population has more variations and dispersion (hence volatility), with more highly unintelligent men, and more highly intelligent ones. For Summers, this explained why men were overrepresented in the scientific and intellectual community (and also why men were overrepresented in jails or failures). The number of successful scientists depends on the “tails,” the extremes, rather than the average….that small, very small number of risk takers crazy enough to have ideas of their own, those endowed with that very rare ability called imagination, that rarer quality called courage, and who make things happen.”


    What is discussed and organized at the Sun Valley Conference every year since 1983?

    Why are these particular individuals attending the conference and what are their collective goals? If they don’t have collective goals, then why are they meeting every year like this?

    Why is press coverage almost completely excluded and details of their meetings held in secrete?

    For such a significant event, why is coverage of it so scant that most American don’t even know about it, while we are all extremely well aware of “hate speech” “gender identity” and “discrimination”?

    Why is Wikipedia’s explanation of the Sun Valley Conference so inert and extremely limited?

    Why is the CIA always present at this conference? Why is their involvement significant enough to plan “CIA Day” in the conference schedule?

  6. No money for military, no police or fire departments, no federal law enforcement, no federal/stae/local income tax, no foreign aid no industrial regulation, no financial regulation, eliminate the federal reserve, no property rights, no courts, no law, …..

    No is pretty easy. Hell, I even agree with a couple of the things I’ve listed.

    If you pull on.a thread there’s the unintended consequence of unraveling the entire garment though. That might be a good thing, or a bad thing.

  7. Hence we see Alphas of all stripes but one thing they have in common is the extreme nature of what they do well.

  8. On exclusive meetings of elites and conspiracy theorist slurs… from CH

    on April 19, 2018 at 3:35 pmLes Saunders, Protestant

    “That’s a crazy conspiracy theory!!!!11” is a rhetorical/propaganda weapon developed by some of the same organs who are charged with carrying out the conspiracy.

    The old line goes: “if it were a conspiracy, someone would talk eventually and blow the lid off the thing.”

    Sometimes they do talk. And they committ suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head or going for a walk in the woods and being found dead, or simply disappearing. Or having awful things done to their family. Or convicted of totally bogus crimes.

    But most of the time, those implementing the conspiracy have no idea that they’re playing a role in it.

    A meeting is held. Merck is there. Monsanto is there. Bezos is there. And Tim Cook. And Soros. And the handful of owners of the monopolized media, who collectively own thousands of newspapers and TV stations, not that people read much news these days. it’s called Davos and other meetings we never hear about. They make broad, overarching decisions. It filters down, in segmented fashion among tens of thousands of subordinates each carrying out a tiny role in the overall schemes, not knowing what they’re doing fits into a much larger not least why. Or maybe the media tells them what they’re doing is good. Those who are more eager and skilful get rewarded.

    In today’s moderin converged systems of corporations, industry, media, culture, finance, and government, it’s remarkably easy.

  9. “No is pretty easy” = Alpha reference experience

    “Yes is easier than no.” = Beta reference experience

  10. Blax

    Read it knowing that Dice is very right wing, however, his book is mostly an account of facts and well documented events.

    Charles Murrays “Coming Apart” is another factual sociological study backed up by a very large amount of data collected from many credible sources. Although Murray focused is on “white Americans” social changes over the past few decades, it does not mean that he is a white supremacist like the media portrays. He simply focused on that subgroup to illustrate his main point, the country is coming apart. David Brooks (also white) “Bobo’s In Paradise” corroborates Murrays. Brooks perspective is different than Murray, not intended to corroborate Murrays, and is far more idealistic, (and in an extremely juvenile way) than factual as Murrays is. Personally, I think Brooks should be pimp slapped into the next millennium.

    Here is a very telling video about the whole issue.

  11. Wildman
    My Farther/Dad/creator man of the house i learned from invited me to go camping next week. This is an incredible time in my life that he reached out to me about spending time outdoors while speaking with him about life and in general what the red pill is all about. How are you handling your loss? I seem to fit into what Blaximus was speaking about with Bipolar 2 from one end to another i amplify with reaction which is far more of a feminine trait than a masculine trait. In part i went to a film festival yesterday and spoke with a bunch of cute looking women from Switzerland. Than i spent time with the lead actress in the movie about streaking in sports Was speaking to her about american football and soccer and how soccer is global politics as far as sports are concerned.
    Not sure how to help other than i know about loss but that’s though “choice” such as suicide. But losing yout own creation is something that would hurt me even more. I wonder what your going through and how to help along the way.

  12. Eh – weirdly enough, continuing to comment here has helped. My Son and I were both into HIIT training and attended a trainer-led HIIT gym together about 3 times per week (except I would go one more day/week – 4 or even 5). We would hang out some after that too – go for coffee – shoot the shit – talk about the way he saw things and the way I saw things – philosophy, women, culture, the whole deal. After he died I went straight away back to the gym. It’s therapeutic, doing the high intensity intervals, giving it your all. I’m going there in a few minutes.

    His mother (my ex wive, divorced about 12 year ago) is in a very bad way. I have been going over there and just hanging out with her, maybe bbqing up some dinner, stuff like that, probably about two hours pretty much every evening. I went to dinner theatre last night with some friends. Been over to by brother’s place (did some tequila shots with him and his boys) and hung out an evening at a buddy’s place with friends and their wives recently (he likes toking up – did that, probably should’na have). I mostly am not into alcohol or the ganja – gave both of those up years and years ago – don’t like anything that produces a downstream deficit – the high ain’t worth it for me. I still am taking my dear old mom to catholic church every Sunday morning (and we pick up my aunt, my mom’s lifelong friend, on our way there). I take the two old birds for breakfast each Sunday morning after that, and do the gabfest with the old ladies. I also got alot family – that helps.

    I used to like to go walk/run the single track trails in the river valley (before switching to the HIIT about two years ago). All twisty and turny and up and down and tree rooty. Last Sunday went to the big cathedral downtown, on my own, for evening mass (I’m not even religious, but … nice ambience in that grand place) and right after that I went and ran one of those single track trails (in the river valley) I used to know and love. Low and behold, my son is there with me. What a revelation. Hard to explain. It’s like he can borrow my eyes if he feels like it (and wants to sometimes). Like he is still in love with this place. Not sure what to make of that.

    This is gonna take a long time, but each day is a bit less intense. Of course I know I’ll carry him with me always. Wouldn’t want it any other way. I’m in my late 50’s – so I know the drill. But man – when it’s your one and only son …… what can I say – puts things in perspective I guess. Life is too short to waste on any kind of BS is what one of the lessons seems to be. We all got BS in our minds. Of course me too. I dunno – getting the BS out of the mind, …. out of my mind – not easy. Lot’s of ways to do that though. And so balance is called for. I probably comment here too much. I think I need to cut that out now.

    Eh – before I go, look – on this bluepill/redpill thing. ‘Stoic’ was the right word in the comment I posted above. So after posting that I go and look up to find out more about it:

    Well – that is a bit of a revelation. I guess that is as close to what I ascribe to as I have found. Seems to me that was ditto for my Son. My dad died suddenly when I was 19, and I loved him very much too, and yes – my dad ascribed to that too. It is much easier to love someone you have this affinity with. Sometimes the phrase bluepill is used in such a way here, to speak against this stoic mindset. I guess I rail against that. Yet I know women are different in so many ways, just as spelled out by way of redpill theory. And this is not new. Men of insight have always known this. But that does not mean that women are innocent like children – that is simply not true. Women are fully capable of exercising self-agency. But they want different things vis-a-vis a masculine man. So …… what to do? Sure – enjoy the women, but if ‘enjoying the women’ means betraying one’s stoic nature, as a man, even if some here thinks that stoic nature is bluepill, nevertheless, I will have none of that betrayal. I will still have none of that betrayal of the natural stoic basis of masculinity, despite what some may call it ….bluepill, naive, puerile – whatever. It doesn’t matter what it is called by some. I will not betray it. Psychopathy is a gross mistake (and is not natural masculinity). That is the end of the story for me.

  13. ASD – Did I see you at that Buchanan rally?

    No, I was at the Bilderberger event. hehe

    Bilderbergers, Davos, Sun Valley, Trilateral Commission, “I can’t keep track of them all” secret groups, Skull and Bones, masons

    But, of course, everybody knows that there are no conspiracies and if you say there are conspiracies, you’re automatically a nut

  14. Sometimes ” conspiracies ” are coded into laws, and interpretation of ” studies “.

    Nah, couldn’t be.

  15. Rugby – thanks for your concern. I’m gonna be alright. It seems to me you are going to be alright too. You remind of my son, some. I think you are actually just fine, man. You are trying to figure things out. That is good. Very very good. Trust yourself. You got a good heart.

  16. @Wild Man
    That evening he rose to conscious awareness
    (we were told that would be impossible),
    with complete cognitive faculty,
    until he passed two days later

    Your son clearly had strength and courage.

    It’s more than that though…
    Take it from me,
    the fact that he came back with complete cognitive faculty
    after and during a massive brain bleed
    is proof of his vast intellectual abilities,
    creative genius,
    and drive
    in his zest for
    and love of life
    and of you

    Now you know what you have to do

  17. Wildman

    Your comment was understandable. Thank you for that. I feel I’m reading someone else. Have a nice weekend.

  18. Sorry, Blax, I forgot your favorite secretive group to hate, or maybe “dislike with extreme prejudice”, the KKK

    also the Council of Foreign Relations

    Why do the elites meet for a face-to-face? To make it more difficult for journalists to overhear.

  19. Ha ha. I don’t hate the Kkk at all. Yin and yang. Evil must exist for good/righteousness to have any meaning. And they haven’t been all that secretive, save for the whole ” hooded ” period. Hell, I’ve witnessed a meeting/rally with speeches and closed with a.cross burning…. Oh wait, I was informed that it’s a ” cross lighting ” and not a ” burning “. 😁😁

    So I’d agree that groups that must always meet in secret should raise a measure of concern, but the best course of action is to fight and resist and expose bullshit where it’s found, regardless of who brought it forth and what the reasons were.

    ” Secretive ” won’t always denote nefarious though.

  20. Wild Man

    Eh – weirdly enough, continuing to comment here has helped.

    Do what you need to do. Compassion, empathy, the search for understanding are all here in various ways. Context is key.

    His mother (my ex wive, divorced about 12 year ago) is in a very bad way. I have been going over there and just hanging out with her, maybe bbqing up some dinner, stuff like that, probably about two hours pretty much every evening.

    Burden man, always in all ways.

  21. @SJF

    I am not jumping in on this to comment on Rugby in particular, because I have not been following all the discussion back and forth.

    However, this is a solid observation for anyone absorb:

    “Therapy is a weak, beta, pussy method of helping oneself. It is Passive. Just going around consuming knowledge and videos is passive as fuck. There is nothing wrong with stealing like and artist. But you have to take others ideas and use them to create something of you own that has value to other members in a small tribe. And use that to create your own vision and perhaps share that with others. To contribute to others. Add value and you won’t get kicked out of an honor tribe.”

    I think the assessment of Therapy that begins it is a harsh. I think it is important and vital for people to utilize Therapy (in whatever form) to understand what the #%^$ is going wrong in their life, change their perceptions, and gain tools and guidance for doing so.

    BUT, SJF is exactly right; if you stop there, you get stuck there. I’ve been there. That’s why I stopped reading RP stuff other than RM, and stopped commenting so much. I was relying on reading and watching and thinking rather than DOING.

    “Therapy” can become just another addiction, a buffer, to keep you from acting. It seems like you are doing something useful, but at some gaining knowledge and insight without actually using it is a trap. It also is easier because you don’t have to do the uncomfortable stuff like actually putting yourself out there, challenging yourself, humbling yourself.

    As you might imagine, this applies to things beyond RP stuff.

    “Red pill masculine self-improvement looks something like this:

    “Unimportance (prediction avoidance) + heart-mind alignment + intent + outcome independence + mastery + excess energy + struggle + acceptance of performance burden = clarity and consequence.”

    I like this equation. Could you expand even a little bit of your definition of each other terms?

    How does Unimportance (prediction avoidance) and outcome independence differ, for example.

    Good Stuff.

  22. “Unimportance (prediction avoidance) + heart-mind alignment + intent + outcome independence + mastery + excess energy + struggle + acceptance of performance burden = clarity and consequence.”

    I like this equation. Could you expand even a little bit of your definition of each other terms?

    I’m heading off to golf. Maybe EhIntelllect can interject. He’s the one that sent me that equation based on concepts that we have been working on in Red Pill buddy-hood. Each one of those plusses is something to work on in masculine self improvement.

    Some of them come from the how-to book Reality Transurfing.

  23. @EhIntellect: a few years ago I was bit more naive, and I did the same mistake that Larry Summers did. Fortunately I was just in a social circle, and the negative consequences was just that pretty much all the women there (my wife didn’t, to her credit) tried to scold me for pointing out there could be different distributions for the two sexes, even though the average seemed to be similar.

  24. “Therapy is a weak, beta, pussy method of helping oneself. It is Passive”

    Sometimes it’s necessary (e.g. returning combat veterans with PTSD).

    Goal is to get folks back to normal baseline so they can leave therapy (same for meds – get the wiring normalized, brain re-sets, can wean off meds). Analogy is busted leg: cast & crutches until leg heals; therapy to get back in the game. (No one would tell someone that treatment is weakness and that real men walk around on broken legs.) Brain is just another organ; therapy & meds are simply tools in the medical arsenal.

    Therapy is work. Passive guys fail 100% of the time, and never do heal.

    No therapist here, don’t have the patience; but extensive professional familiarity.

    The idea that treatment (for what is – on the neurophysioanatomical level – actually a physical injury) is weakness is pretty common, and so folks stay in a state of suffering. Figure, may be some obligation to contribute a clinical perspective on the matter.

  25. @Seraph and JT

    “Therapy is a weak, beta, pussy method of helping oneself. It is Passive. Just going around consuming knowledge and videos is passive as fuck. There is nothing wrong with stealing like and artist. But you have to take others ideas and use them to create something of you own that has value to other members in a small tribe.”

    O.K. let me give a mea culpa here/there.

    I really mis-poke there.

    And I was garbling my message. You guys steered it strait. Where I was mistaken and at fault there was I was mixing up some thoughts that the terminology: using the term “Therapy” is a weak term.

    ScribblerG actually brought that up when him and Forge the Sky and I were trying to become better at game, red pill and masculine self improvement. He said he loathed the term “therapy”.
    And that sounded legit to me. And I vowed to not use that term again, when I was really intending, meaning and leaning on masculine self improvement.

    So I have nothing against “therapy” when needed (for the down-trodden). The terminology is passive if recognized as such in an instant and getting aid to facilitate masculine self-improvement sounds a little bit more on well begun is half done.

    Umm, Sorry? I said that original comment wrong. It’s not what I meant. I meant the terminology of the word is weak relative to the term masculine self improvement. Not to say needing or getting therapy is weak for those that need it.

    So excuse me, while I get out of my head now.

  26. @Seraph

    Well golf was a roller-coaster today, the best if times and the worst of times. The wedges in the mud with barely growing grass was hell.

    I had so many snowman 8’s in 18 holes, it defies dignity. But I did have a stretch of four pars in a row on par four holes and I did drain a 25 foot tricky put on a 180 yard par three for a 2 (birdie). But worst round ever score wise.

    And the company–other couple- was good. And one point I complimented him for the fact that they didn’t talk to much. I told him I usually pay extra for that. And found out he was an INTJ. And his wife was a ESFP. Go figure.


    “Unimportance (prediction avoidance) + heart-mind alignment + intent + outcome independence + mastery + excess energy + struggle + acceptance of performance burden = clarity and consequence.”

    I like this equation. Could you expand even a little bit of your definition of each other terms?

    Placing too much importance on things you fear will draw you into a trap. Our country club has some high slope ratings on the three nine hole courses that I don’t necessarily agree with. But which are probably accurate. In other words when you play a hole that has a high handicap, you should not fear it as being such a high handicap hole. In other words, relax and don’t place importance on that hole being hard.

    You come up to a hole that has lots of water jutting out from the left into the fairway. You don’t stand on the tee and think: “Shit, Shit, shit, don’t hit it left. Or you are likely to hit it left. You either pull out the driver when the water is 180 yards there, or a three wood or a five wood. And you free your mind from the importance of the water being there and you hit is straight right as far as you dare to, based on what club you chose. The kiss of death is thinking about it.

    The energy of importance becomes present when disproportionate meaning is ascribed to something. Importance is pure excess potential and is eliminated by balanced forces creating problems for the person generating the potential. There are two kinds of importance: inner and outer.

    Inner or personal importance manifests when a person over-estimates their own virtues or shortcomings. The form of expression for inner importance sounds: “I am an important person”, or “I do important work”. When the arrow on the importance measure goes off the scales balanced forces come in and take things into their own hands. The “hot shot” then receives a good slap. Once balanced forces come into play disappointment also awaits the person whose work is so phenomenally important. Either there will turn out to be no demand for their work or the quality of the work will be shoddy. The other side of the coin is when a person self-deprecatingly downplays their own virtues playing smaller than they really are. In both cases the magnitude of excess potential produced is the same. The difference is only in the polarity expressed.

    Outer importance is also artificially created when a person attributes excessive meaning to an object or event in the outside world. The form of expression for outer importance might sound: “Such and such is extremely important to me” or “it is extremely important to me to do such and such…” This generates excess potential which ruins everything. Imagine having to walk along a log lying on the ground. Nothing could be simpler. But what if you had to walk along the same log placed across the roofs of two high-rise buildings? The short stroll would become extremely important to you and there would be nothing you could do to convince yourself otherwise.

    And placing too much importance on shit like the disaster porn news (incessant news about disasters, rambling on) or current Political shit:


    Thought energy is material and does not totally disappear without trace. When a group of people begin to think in a similar way their “thought waves” accumulate in layers and invisible but real energy-information structures – pendulums are created in the greater ocean of energy. The structures begin to evolve independently until they reach a stage at which they are able to subject people to their own laws. When a person comes under the influence of a destructive pendulum they lose their freedom and are forced to become a small cog in a large machine.
    The more people – adherents – feed the pendulum with their energy, the more forceful its “sway”. Every pendulum has its characteristic oscillation frequency. For example, a swing will gain height only if you apply effort to pushing it with a certain frequency. This is what is meant by the resonant frequency. If the number of a pendulum’s adherents decreases its sway becomes weaker. If the number of adherents declines to zero the pendulum dies and ceases to exist as a separate entity.

    In order to pump energy from people a pendulum hooks into their emotions and reactions: indignation, dissatisfaction, hate, irritation, anxiety, worry, depression, confusion, despair, fear, pity, attachment, admiration, tenderness, idealisation, adulation, delight, disappointment, pride, arrogance, contempt, aversion, insult, duty, guilt etc.

    The greatest threat of the pendulum’s suppressive influence is that it leads its victim away from life lines in which that person would have been truly happy. It is essential to free oneself from imposed goals after which one battles straying ever further from one’s own true path in life.
    In essence the pendulum is an “egregore” and yet it is much more than this. The notion of the “egregore” does not reflect the entire range of subtle interaction between the individual and the energy-information structures referred to here as pendulums.

    Heart and mind alignment:

    Unity of heart and mind

    Will is inherent to the mind and yet despite this fact the mind cannot control outer intention. The heart on the other hand is capable of identifying with outer intention and yet it is not endowed with the power of the will. The heart flies around the alternatives space like an uncontrolled kite. In order to bring outer intention in line with your will you have to achieve unity of heart and mind. In this state the feelings of the heart and the thoughts of the mind are as one. For example, when a person is filled with joyful inspiration the heart “sings” and the mind “rubs its hands in glee”. In this state a person is capable of being highly creative. It can also be the case that the heart and mind find agreement in emotions such as anxiety, fear and non-acceptance. This is when our worst expectations are realised. Finally, when common sense insists on one thing and the heart resists there is discord between the heart and mind.


    Intention can be roughly defined as the resolve to have and act. Intention is realised. Desire is not. You may desire to put your hand up. The desire is shaped in your thoughts and you become aware that you wish to put your hand up. Is it the desire that actually raises the arm in the end? No. Of itself desire does not generate any physical action. The arm is only finally raised when the thought has been processed leaving just the resolve to take action. So it is the resolve to act that lifts the arm? Once again, no. You may have decided that you will lift up your arm but it will not yet be moved. So what exactly is it then that causes you to put up your hand? How do you define what lies beyond resolve?

    Here the mind is powerless to provide an intelligible explanation for what intention really is. Our definition of intention as the resolve to have and act demonstrates the prelude to the force that actually manifests the action. All we can do is state the fact that the arm is lifted neither by desire nor by decision but by something we are referring to as intention.

    Intention is divided into two kinds: inner and outer. Inner intention presupposes active impact on the world around us. This is the resolve the act. Outer intention is the resolve to have which causes the world to fulfil the individual’s will. Inner intention is the concentration of one’s attention on the process of moving towards one’s goal. Outer intention is the concentration of attention on the process of how the goal realises itself. Inner intention causes the goal to be achieved, whereas outer intention allows it to be chosen. Everything that is associated with magic and paranormal phenomena relates to the areas of outer intention. Everything that can be reached within the context of the ordinary worldview is achieved by the power of inner intention.

    Outcome Independence and Mastery are self evident.

    Free Excess Energy comes from being Outcome Independent and Masterful. But it is more than that. It is necessary as a component of having Charisma. Note some one that has Charisma. Does he have Free Excess Energy? Yes he does. Try to have that. Be Fun and Add value to others.

    It is a result of Competence and Confidence. Competence comes from Mastery. Confidence comes from having been there and done that with aplomb.

    You faced constraint, and came out on the other side of it after doing well with release from constraint. You became more Antifragile.

    You struggled, you fought, you gained the upper hand, you succeeded or conquered. You became released from constraint.

    Struggle is the theater, the battlefield in which the masculine man operates. To get done with the performance, to vanquish the opposition is the basic masculine ecstacy.

    The Burden of Performance is the masculine yoke. It is always there.


    And it is important in recognizing this burden of masculine performance. A necessity for the male at the masculine pole in masculine/feminine polarity. And not shirk the burden of performance, even if you are a lost boy.

    Because you never want seek a completion in life.

    Chapter One of The Way of the Superior Man by D. Deida:


    Stop Hoping for a Completion of Anything in Life

    “Most men make the error of thinking that one day it will be done. They think, “If I can work enough, then one day I could rest.” Or, “One day my woman will understand something and then she will stop complaining.” Or, “I’m only doing this now so that one day I can do what I really want with my life.” The masculine error is to think that eventually things will be different in some fundamental way. They won’t. It never ends. As long as life continues, the creative challenge is to tussle, play, and make love with the present moment while giving your unique gift.

    It’s never going to be over, so stop waiting for the good stuff. As of now, spend a minimum of one hour a day doing whatever you are waiting to do until your finances are more secure, or until the children have grown and left home, or until you have finished your obligations and you feel free to do what you really want to do. Don’t wait any longer. Don’t believe in the myth of “one day when everything will be different.” Do what you love to do, what you are waiting to do, what you’ve been born to do, now.

    Spend at least one hour a day doing whatever you simply love to do—what you deeply feel you need to do, in your heart—in spite of the daily duties that seem to constrain you. However, be forewarned: you may discover that you don’t, or can’t, do it; that, in fact, your fantasy of your future life is simply a fantasy.

    Most postponements are excuses for a lack of creative discipline. Limited money and family obligations have never stopped a man who really wanted to do something, although they provide excuses for a man who is not really up to the creative challenge in the first place. Find out today whether you are willing to do what it takes to give your gift fully. As a first step, spend at least an hour today giving your fullest gift, whatever that is for today, so that when you go to sleep at night you know you couldn’t have lived your day with more courage, creativity, and giving.

    In addition to the myth that one day your life will be fundamentally different, you may believe, and hope, that one day your woman will be fundamentally different. Don’t wait. Assume she’s going to be however she is, forever. If your woman’s behavior or mood is truly intolerable to you, you should leave her, and don’t look back (since you cannot change her). However, if you find her behavior or mood is merely distasteful or a hassle, realize that she will always seem this way: The feminine always seems chaotic and complicated from the perspective of the masculine.

    The next time you notice yourself trying to fix your woman so that she will no longer (fill in the blank), relax and give her love by touching her and telling her that you love her when she is this way (whatever you filled in the blank with). Embrace her, or wrestle with her, or scream and yell for the heck of it, but make no effort to bring an end to that which pisses you off. Practice love instead of trying to bring an end to the quality that bothers you. You can’t escape the tussle with the feminine. Learn to find humor in the unending emotional drama the feminine seems to enjoy so much. The love that you magnify may realign her behavior, but your effort to fix her and your frustration never will.

    The world and your woman will always present you with unforeseen challenges. You are either living fully, giving your gift in the midst of those challenges, even today, or you are waiting for an imaginary future which will never come. Men who have lived significant lives are men who never waited: not for money, security, ease, or women. Feel what you want to give most as a gift, to your woman and to the world, and do what you can to give it today. Every moment waited is a moment wasted, and each wasted moment degrades your clarity of purpose. “

  27. Seraph
    Emdr is just something i am looking into. The comments early on are a great observation and their is a truth in everything observed. I know my improvement’s i also know my faults.

    Culum Struan
    After 26.2 you get into a zone. Most women ive run with are the strongest people ive ever seen in ruunning community. Look at Pam reed
    But i have always bonded with men in the process My farther being the first.

  28. SJF
    April 21, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    You cool dude, SJF. Yah, I don’t like the word either.

    Still, the sense of “weak” definitely valid from a greater perspective.
    Men are into things; women are into people. “People professions” are therefore known (on the limbic “gut” sense) as inherently feminine, therefore “weak” – and so men eschew them.

    Even when stuck in “people work,” the man tends heavily towards the cool detached intellectually intensive thinking/theoretical/mechanistic element; the woman towards the warm sticky interpersonal “feeling” application.

    So, the hospital nurse’s aides (almost always women) feed and otherwise tend to patients. Hospital orderlies (strapping young men) do heavy lift, move the deceased, set up and break down orthopaedic traction.

    But yah, the diffuse sense of “weak” with respect to “people work” is not misplaced.

  29. @ Wildman
    I am sorry for your loss. Your story makes me realize that I need to spend more time with my son

    @ General Follow-up Comment
    It just so happened that my wife left on a trip. I had an errand to run with my son. We first went out for lunch, walked through a small festival, heard a lousy rendition of “Lola” and came back to his car. We could see a female police officer beginning to write a ticket, but we were unable to cross right away due to traffic. I told him that maybe we could game her into not giving us a ticket. By the time we got there, she said that she had started the ticket and had to finish it. I told the officer that we were in the wrong and had somehow missed seeing the hydrant that was on the other side of the sidewalk and set back another foot. She said it happens a lot, normally she would write two tickets, but was only going to cite the one. She thanked us for being understanding and said most people cuss her out.

    Using the “Starbucks Model” we should have disputed this ticket as selective enforcement, enlisted a passerby to say we weren’t being disruptive and other cars had been seen parking there without being ticketed, and that we must have been targeted because of our race. We should have called White Lives Matter, made signs and protested this police injustice. But, crap, there’s no such thing as WLM and we were in fact wrong. So, I’ll pay the fine on behalf of my son and we’ll have a memory to share.

  30. “Umm, Sorry? I said that original comment wrong. It’s not what I meant. I meant the terminology of the word is weak relative to the term masculine self improvement.”

    To me the term “masculine self improvement”, when used excessively (like, more than once) sounds a bit like a bumper sticker. Brings up images of “culture of love, care, and respect”, “taking care of airmen and their families” and other slogans that are intended to convey meaning but actually indirectly undermine meaning simply by repetition.

  31. @Anon

    Once again, my expressed words failed me.

    I’m talking about actually making oneself better. To the point where the girl wants to fuck you with desire.

    To have the guy improve to the point where he actually does just get it because of red pill and improved game. From this guy’s point of view, it is entirely possible.

    I’m sure your INTJ personality functional traits can parse that. But you’re not so sure some guys can actually come around fully to get good enough.

  32. SJF, I understood what you’re saying….you’re not saying it poorly either.
    I’m just throwing out there: the repeated statement is kind of killing me.
    I might be the only one, but I doubt it, so I thought I’d take the opportunity to mention it
    (for example you used the phrase four times in that one post)
    Just for effectiveness of the overall message, too often repetition kills. Not arguing with anything you said.

  33. @SJF

    REALLY appreciate the detailed response. I am going to retain that for further study and application. Some of what is in then I have already found myself doing (like disengaging more from the day to day politics BS for one) but it is good to see an explanation for it which encourages one to do it more.

    I would like to respond in more detail because, A) by writing I understand the points more, B) it might shed some light for others, so a quick observation.

    One might sum this up as the Laws of Conservation of Mental Energy. Anything you think about, put mental energy into, takes it away from something else. It all matters.

    Spend Wisely.

    If I can make an analogy using fighter aircraft, there are two main sources of energy one uses to operate; fuel consumed by your engine, and altitude, which is potential energy supplied by gravity. You gain the latter by climbing to higher altitude, which burns some that that fuel.

    How you then choose to spend that stored energy determines how you do, whether you live or die.

    If you use all that built up energy from high altitude to swoop down, build up speed, blast someone, and then gracefully ascend using your momentum, you spend little overall energy and have plenty to use for later.

    If you maneuver with the greatest efficiency and least drag to get into position (or out of a bad spot), you also don’t waste your energy, saving it for when it counts later.

    If, however, you flail about, making inefficient moves which bleed your speed, drop your altitude and burn your fuel, you deplete yourself until you pay the price. You have nothing left for when you need it and run out options.

  34. @Anon

    I don’t understand your point.

    You wouldn’t exhort your sons to read a bumper sticker: Masculine self improvement–It’s what’s for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner? Be better at being a man rather than merely being a “Good Man”. You would tend to tell your sons “Just be Yourself” rather than look at what your father does, his actions, in real life?

    What gives?

    Too many boys don’t do that.

    I don’t think repetition of that message here is counter-productive. I think the message is too often understated.

    Does masculine self improvement rob you of feminine agency? You only like males that just get it Naturally?

    What’s the bug up your ass about masculine self improvement?

    Please clarify your statements. What are you advocating for?

  35. One might sum this up as the Laws of Conservation of Mental Energy. Anything you think about, put mental energy into, takes it away from something else. It all matters.

    Spend Wisely.


    I don’t believe that for a minute. The mind is complex and adaptable and able to put down more myelin and forge more pathways the more you think. The mind has infinite capacity to stuff shit into it.

    But there is on the other hand a concept called The Law of Least Effort (which is what your plane analogy seems to be alluding to):

  36. “The mind is complex and adaptable and able to put down more myelin and forge more pathways the more you think.”

    But has a limited capacity for focusing mental energy (i.e. give attention to) pathways at any given instant, hence correct management of Potential Mental Energy in the form of attention is critical.

    See Keith Code’s Soft Science of Roadracing Motorcycles. An abstract thinker can apply the fundamental psychology of performance it discusses to any other field of performance.

  37. “An abstract thinker…..”

    Can hold more thoughts in his brain.

    Because abstractions are more efficient than concretes.

    And they can still perform when the rubber meets the road.

  38. When the rubber meets the road most of your neuro-physical behaviours will default to conditioned patterns, which is what allows you to walk, chew gum and hold a conversation all at the same time. Only the conversation requires much focused attention if the patterns for walking and gum chewing are strongly reenforced. Rough terrain will impede conversation because it draws more of your focused attention from the conversation than walking on smooth pavement.

    So managing your patterning is critical to critical attention management.

  39. “You wouldn’t exhort your sons to read a bumper sticker: Masculine self improvement–It’s what’s for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner? Be better at being a man rather than merely being a “Good Man”. You would tend to tell your sons “Just be Yourself” rather than look at what your father does, his actions, in real life?”

    “Just be yourself” is also a slogan (though an inferior one).
    When a slogan is repeated too often in slogan form, the message is lost…so the way I would teach my sons (or my spouse would at any rate) is to lead by example, and instruction, while avoiding the repetition of a statement so often that it sounds like a slogan.
    Now, I’ll drop it.
    If I haven’t made my point clearly now I’m probably not going to.
    This wasn’t intended to be a criticism so much as advice on how to relay a message (because I read your stuff and find it useful. if I wasn’t interested the repetition wouldn’t bother me, I would just scroll).

  40. “Unimportance (prediction avoidance) + heart-mind alignment + intent + outcome independence + mastery + excess energy + struggle + acceptance of performance burden = clarity and consequence.”

    Hi seraph. Unimportance vs. outcome independence

    I wrote that to SJF as there’s not much original being written theoretically but the language is updated for the times or is presented in different contexts to create a novelty feel to something understood long ago. I was formulating some of my resources and readings and that’s what rendered after 30 seconds.

    Unimportance, a transurfing term and, IMO, is an attempt to mentally reduce striving, avoiding undue energy to an objective. My vision is untrammeled, clearer to see the means to the objective, if only I’d take my eyes off the objective and dispassionately work to the goal.

    It is a style of reifying intention.


    1. I couldn’t see the means of my reconstruction as I was too emotionally bound up in it. 2. Unimportance is what good doctors, lawyers must do to serve their patients, clients. and yeah they seem like unemotional dicks…but it’s in your best interest…they do care about accomplishing your legal and health intentions too…though it’s about approaching these intentions dispassionately.

    vs. outcome independence.

    Outcome independence is realizing you have options beyond your immediate intention and your not bound to the success of that intention to achieve grander objectives. “Many fish in the sea.”

    Clarity and consequence is the broadest possible objective in my life and I hope yours too.

    There’s been a lot of suicide talk lately, especially in the manosphere for good reason. Guys don’t kill themselves or despair when they see themselves agentic. The movie Groundhog Day, though a comedy, is more an allegory for how human confuse means and ends, earthly success becomes a satisfaction benchmark, and when we realize when all our decisions are immediately reversible we conclude our actions good, bad, neutral don’t matter, our presence here really doesn’t matter and we loathe ourselves, often into suicide. It’s terrifying and real when men loose faith in their impactfulness and I do care that men see the simple idea of consequence as how to approach anything they do. I’ve avoided many reckless, frivolous decisions by asking myself how consequential is the result of said decision.

    Sex is consequential…until you want sex again…as sex in itself has no consequence…thus doesn’t provide lasting satisfaction…unless something more permanent is borne of that sex…and that IS immensely consequential and you, I and everyone here would fight to the death to maintain that as our consequence asour indelible impact is found there. I love my kids, not all kids, mind you, because through them I live eternally.

    When you realize what you do matters, for you and in a wider context you’ll live fully.

    That is what we do here, I’d hope. Knowing where the furthest edge of our existences is, and then living out there for our benefit.

    I can’t fully express how little energy I need to get things done. I’m not chasing my tail anymore, playing by cultural norms and precooked solutions that ultimately serves the system more than me. I’ve a lot more me time and my marriage, parenting, social life are streamlined and full.

    i.e.I got a DUI last year and an occupational license is part of my plea. I’m forbidden even to drive to the gym let alone a restaurant. I used to do all the driving and planning and generally never tell my woman where we are going for the dual sake that she needs to trust me, which she does now, and there’s that excitement factor for her. Anyways…

    How do I spend my time now? At home? Fuck to the no. I walked 15 miles yesterday with my wife around town, 10 miles initially for errands, plumbing fittings, cigars, new running shoes, put them in my backpack and walked around to bars and venues that entertained us until we arrived home at 1030 PM. I dress comfortably but nicely so I can fit in all types of venues, shitty bars, fancy bars, arts and literature events meeting friends and making new ones.

    The DUI and OL are such inconsequential parts of my life as you can imagine I’ve lots of clarity and peace of mind on these outings.

    Sex, law, health, money, stuff…all the shit we THINK are objectives (ends) are just different goals (means) to the same end: That end being consequence.

    Have a nice day, seraph.

  41. I have intentionally limited my comments—journaling many, because I believe in the platinum rule, getting out of the 5 stages, men choosing how to live their lives and I accept that men are well within their rights to advocate for their own self-interest. Lie, if you will. So, if Blaximus wants to run the blacks are always the victims script—fine, done.

    What I strongly object to is Blaximus preaching rugged individualism and openness to racial diversity in his TRM commentary, but pushing for political action for his black identity group. That’s not red pill—that’s salesmanship. As I see it, he’s working from two sets of books.

    The Feminine Imperative and the Black Imperative work in the same way—shaming, playing victimhood and seeking advantage. They are both insatiable—beware!

  42. Shaddup If.

    You’re commenting in a manosphere blog, where men talk about issues and how something’s just aren’t right, but for some reason… this subject upsets you.

    I don’t preach. And yes, I’m open to racial diversity ( a no-no in the sphere mostly…but I don’t see you talking about that any ) and I don’t push for political action.

    You are 100% wrong on all counts.


    According to your logic, There Is No Feminine Imperative , right? Men just like to play victim and complain. You can’t have it both ways.

    Actually, you can have it both ways, and that’s what your comment is alluding to.

    I’m not the one. Go chat with scrib about your interpretations, because I say what I mean. You can parse it differently all day long, and it changes nothing.

    Good Day Sir!!!! Lol….

    …. these fuckin’ guys.

  43. P.S.

    For those reading along : I did not bring any subject up. I usually don’t because I don’t want to hear the same old opinions like If I fucked just dragged out. Again. Evidently he’s triggered and needs to get something off of his chest, and he thinks I have a target on my back or something.

    Let’s stick to our usual topics. There’s nothing I have to say on race that most here want to hear, and vice versa. There is no understanding or logic or discussion. There’s only what you think and believe and nothing will ever change or modify that ever.

  44. “….The Feminine Imperative and the Black Imperative work in the same way—shaming, playing victimhood and seeking advantage. They are both insatiable—beware!”

    ” Lie, if you will. So, if Blaximus wants to run the blacks are always the victims script—fine, done”

    … he was doing a bunch of cussing, like I was in the wrong for trying to save my life…..


    Wrap. I’ll wait for Rollo to post up the next.


  45. Here’s an example of critical outcome independence and unimportance.

    My basement utility sink supply line valve leaks. I plan to fix it today.

    Small copper stub from fiberboard wall.

    I remove vslves but the brass collars are stuck. I Dremel them off.

    I attach the new lines but didn’t notice the etch I created with the Dremel.

    Leak. Fuck. There’s little copper to work with and my new snap on fittings are in place.

    I’ve placed importance on the result so I’m irked and am pissy about it now. I can’t evaluate my options until I’ll settle down.

    Im not outcome independent so I’m baffled a bit how I’m to fix this…until I expand my options put a hammer to the wall, cut the copper beyond the elbow and reattach the snap fitting.yhe hole in the wall is irrelavant as it’s behind the sink in a scummy utility area behind a door.

    I didn’t need an extra trip to the hardware store because I became outcome independent with the hole though I wasted an extra 15″ minutes sulking in the importance and trying to make a bad plan go.

  46. Wild Man although I’m late to this round of comments please accept my humble sympathy for your loss. It is a bittersweet good thing to be able to communicate with someone while they are dying, but in the long run it may well be helpful to you across years. Keep on writing here, your last comment was very cogent and on the mark.

    You might consider contributing what you’ve learned about High Intensitty Interval Training, too.
    Take care of yourself, take care of your ex.

  47. @ Blaximus

    Cool video about a brave man taking action to save himself and as a result, saving others. I would definitely want him by my side if stuff happened.

    It doesn’t relate to the issue. So far, your strongest rebuttal has been your first, “Shaddup If.”
    The rest was, “I’m not doing what you are seeing me doing, oh, and look at this cool video.”

    Peace to you as well.

  48. @EhIntellect

    Allow me to go off the rails a bit with your comment.


    In Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Pirsig explores the meaning and concept of “quality”; a term he conceives as undefinable. Pirsig’s thesis is that to truly experience quality one must both embrace and apply it as best fits the requirements of the situation. According to Pirsig, such an approach would avoid a great deal of frustration and dissatisfaction common to modern life.

    In the book, the Narrator describes the “Romantic” approach to life of his friend, John Sutherland, who chooses not to learn how to maintain his expensive new motorcycle. John simply hopes for the best with his bike, and when problems do occur he often becomes frustrated and is forced to rely on professional mechanics to repair it. In contrast, the “classical” Narrator has an older motorcycle which he is usually able to diagnose and repair himself through the use of rational problem solving skills.

    In an example of the classical approach, Pirsig explains to the reader that one must pay continual attention: when the Narrator and his friends came into Miles City, Montana[4] he notices that the “engine idle is loping a little”, a possible indication that the fuel/air mixture is too rich. The next day he is thinking of this as he is going through his ritual to adjust the valves on his cycle’s engine. During the adjustment, he notes that both spark plugs are black, confirming a rich mixture. He recognizes that the higher elevation is causing the engine to run rich. The narrator rectifies this by installing new jets with the valves adjusted, and the engine runs well again.

    With this, the book details two types of personalities: those who are interested mostly in gestalts (romantic viewpoints, such as Zen, focused on being “In the moment”, and not on rational analysis), and those who seek to know the details, understand the inner workings, and master the mechanics (classic viewpoints with application of rational analysis, vis-a-vis motorcycle maintenance) and so on.

    The Sutherlands represent an exclusively romantic attitude toward the world. The Narrator initially appears to prefer the classic approach. It later becomes apparent that he understands both viewpoints and is aiming for the middle ground. He understands that technology, and the “dehumanized world” it carries with it, appears ugly and repulsive to a romantic person. He knows that such persons are determined to shoehorn all of life’s experience into the romantic view. Pirsig is capable of seeing the beauty of technology and feels good about mechanical work, where the goal is “to achieve an inner peace of mind”. The book demonstrates that motorcycle maintenance may be dull and tedious drudgery or an enjoyable and pleasurable pastime; it all depends on attitude.

    Pirsig examines the modern pursuit of “Pure Truths”, claiming it derives from the work of early Greek philosophers who were establishing the concept of truth in opposition to the force of “The Good”. He argues that although rational thought may find a truth (or The Truth) it may never be fully and universally applicable to each and every individual’s experience. Therefore, what is needed is an approach to viewing life that is more varied and inclusive and has a wider range of application. He makes a case that originally the Greeks did not distinguish between “Quality” and “Truth” – they were one and the same, arete – and that the divorce was, in fact, artificial (though needed at the time) and is now a source of much frustration and unhappiness in the world, particularly overall dissatisfaction with modern life.

    Pirsig aims towards a perception of the world that embraces both sides, the rational and the romantic. This means encompassing “irrational” sources of wisdom and understanding as well as science, reason and technology. In particular, this must include bursts of creativity and intuition that seemingly come from nowhere and are not (in his view) rationally explicable. Pirsig seeks to demonstrate that rationality and Zen-like “being in the moment” can harmoniously coexist. He suggests such a combination of rationality and romanticism can potentially bring a higher quality of life.

    It has been noted that Pirsig’s Romantic/Classical dichotomy resembles Nietzsche’s Dionysian/Apollonian dichotomy as described in The Birth of Tragedy. For example, in his book The Person of the Therapist, Edward Smith writes, “In his popular novel, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig (1974) also addressed the Apollonian and Dionysian worldviews, naming them respectively classical understanding and romantic understanding.”

    End Quote.

    That being described, I often find myself as an INTJ being all in my head with Introverted Intuition and Rationality as a Dominant Function of my personality (Classical Thinking, Classical Approach). But when I integrate my Inferior Function which is Extroverted Sensing (Romanticism, being In-the-Moment….) I’m more well rounded.

    I had that Romantic Approach come into play yesterday on the golf course and had a delightful experience. But then I immediately reverted to the Classical Approach. Balance. Always a delicate balance. With Quality winning over. Four pars (in a row after the cart girl sold me an Oberon beer, as a choice of mine among many, and it was good–and a sign) and one birdie in an otherwise shitty, worst ever round. How the hell did that happen?

  49. kfg
    When the rubber meets the road most of your neuro-physical behaviours will default to conditioned patterns,

    We don’t as a rule “rise to the challenge” so much as “default to patterns”. Steer into the skid on ice often enough and it becomes another unconscious competence. As kfg said, a lot of behavior is a background process.

    The more behaviors one can put in the semi-autonomous background, the more complex foreground behavior can be. Up to a point. If I remember right, William James got that much correct; other things not so much. But there’s an upper bound to any processing system…and we don’t really multitask, we just context-switch really fast. That’s why talking and driving hard are not compatible, or why the “sterile cockpit” rule is a very good idea in certain portions of flight.

    Rewiring the brain to respond in a new way to stimulus takes time and energy, so one has to determine “what’s it worth to me?” to do the rewiring? Part of any therapy, including physical therapy of gross motor systems, involves finding that motivation. Lack of that motivation leads to people getting stuck; whether with incomplete range of motion after a knee replacement or incomplete range of emotions after dealing with PTSD, the effect is the same.

  50. Haters will say Rollo is anti-marriage. But what he says is the truth.

    “Mother-of-two admits she finds her husband so unattractive she can’t LOOK at him in the bedroom – but won’t leave him because she needs his ‘financial support”

    “… the woman had said off air that she ‘winces’ when her husband touches her.”

    In present times there is nothing for a man to gain in a marriage.

    Suck on this JBP and Stefan Molyneux, “Man Up and Marry the Sluts” – I say NO.

  51. @ SJF

    Rick Sanchez on therapy:

    “Because I don’t respect therapy, because I’m a scientist. Because I invent, transform, create, and destroy for a living, and when I don’t like something about the world, I change it. And I don’t think going to a rented office in a strip mall to listen to some agent of averageness explain which words mean which feelings has ever helped anyone do anything. I think it’s helped a lot of people get comfortable and stop panicking, which is a state of mind we value in the animals we eat, but not something I want for myself. I’m not a cow. I’m a pickle. When I feel like it. So…you asked.“

  52. @EhIntellect.


    Dr. Wong: Rick, the only connection between your unquestionable intelligence and the sickness destroying your family is that everyone in your family, you included, use intelligence to justify sickness. You seem to alternate between viewing your own mind as an unstoppable force and as an inescapable curse, and I think it’s because the only truly unapproachable concept for you is that it’s your mind, within your control. You chose to come here, you chose to talk, to belittle my vocation, just as you chose to become a pickle. You are the master of your universe and yet you are dripping with rat blood and feces, your enormous mind literally vegetating by your own hand. I have no doubt that you would be bored senseless by therapy, the same way I’m bored when I brush my teeth and wipe my ass, because the thing about repairing, maintaining, and cleaning is; it’s not an adventure. There’s no way to do it so wrong you might die. It’s just work, and the bottom line is some people are okay going to work, and some people, well, some people would rather die. Each of us gets to choose.

    [beep beep]

    Dr. Wong: That’s our time. I’m going to give you guys my card and hope to hear from you again, and if you have any friends or family that eat poop and would like to stop give them my number.

  53. It’s a bitter pill to swallow (of course) but virtually all my success and definitely all my positive experiences with women are down to reason.

    Instinct and emotion only ever offered up Mr Nice Guy.

    Reading an article about a ridiculous character called Badboy then Strauss’ The Game did more than any internal impulse.

    But then again is that really right? Or was it that my reason (by far my superseder of the trio) was tricked be equalism into to believing I could “be myself” and if we’re all the same why can’t a good looking but LSE guy achieve intimacy? A good looking LSE girl can?

    I took to Game like a duck to water. It’s not ridiculous to imagine with a strong father figure OR a less misandrist society the truthful and compassionate reasoning could’ve never saw me lonely?

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  55. Brother Rollo, this essay of yours EXACTLY the way it is structured must be taught at schools.

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  57. Just listened to Red Pill 101 ep 27 where you mentioned this essay.

    I have read a few books that could feed into this; two books written by Cialdini “Presuasion” and “Influence” and a third book “the Power of Habit” by Duhigg.

    None of the books make distinctions between men and women but all three seem like they strongly relate to this essay. I grasp the concepts but lack the insight on how to blend info from these sources and this essay but I think there is some juice to be squeezed.

  58. Hi, Rollo. It’s amazing how accurate is your essay, however I have a big question to ask you:

    ¿Why aren’t any scientific estudies that support your claim? (Women are emotional, Men are rational)

    I did a big search and it seems that when confronted by scientific evidence, our gut instincts, emotionality, and rationality are only sociological stereotypes that seems proven to be wrong.

    I’m looking forward for your answer.

    Keep up the good work. I really appreciate all what you are doing for men.

    Greeting from Buenos Aires, Argentina 😉

  59. Rollo, could you please post the links of Dr. Steven Pinker and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley books Referred in this post.

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