Instinct, Emotion and Reason

Before I dig in here today I want to give credit where it’s due. I was inspired to consider what I’m about to go into here by a quick-hit Tweet from Illimitable Man. I didn’t bookmark it so I apologize for not linking it here today, but the general gist of it was about the mental processes humans go through when we’re presented with environmental stimuli that demands interpretation and a behavioral response. I considered this process quite a bit while I was studying behavioral psychology – Instinct, Emotion and Reason (or rationality if you prefer) – and I’m almost embarrassed that I haven’t covered this in terms of a Red Pill perspective in over 600 essays now.

The idea is fairly simple; when we are prompted by environmental (and sometimes internal) stimuli human beings process this information using three psychological mechanisms – our primal instincts, our emotional interpretations and our rational (reason) facilities. I’m not sure these processes get their proper due in Red Pill theory today.  I’ve detailed all of these processes individually for years on this blog, but generally they were outlined in the context of whatever topic I was focusing on. In this essay I’m going to elaborate on these aspects individually. Later, as part of this series, I’ll explore how they act in concert for our overall cognitive process, and then how they influence intersexual and intersocial dynamics. I think this is a useful exercise because a lot of foundational Red Pill ideas stem from these processes as well as the social conventions and interpretive priorities the Feminine Imperative relies on today.

For sake of clarity I am going to use a few behavioral psych terms like stimuli in this essay. This isn’t to throw $10 words at you, it’s just easier to elaborate on these processes with abstract terms. For example, when I use stimuli I mean any physical, environmental or cognitive prompt that our conscious or unconscious mind demands an interpretation, processing of and response to. That can be a wide variety of things so, stimuli serves as a general term.

Lastly, the following here is my interpretation of these processes. While a lot of this will align pretty well with established theories, this is my take on them and not some official, settled science of facts. If you think I’m full of shit please tell me why, this is still a work in progress for me.

Instinct

Instinct seems like the easiest of these processes to understand, but it’s really the cognitive aspect that’s most misunderstood, marginalized and often demonized. The reason for this is because our instincts reside in our subconscious (hindbrain) processing of stimuli. When I refer to men or women’s evolved mental firmware in my essays it’s our instinctual process that I’m referring to. These are the unlearned, inborn aspects of our human nature that influence the other processes and remain largely in our subconscious. Our instinctual processing is a direct result of our evolution. It evolved as a vitally necessary aspect of our cognitive processing in that it aided in our ability to survive in, and adapt to, a chaotic, primal environment when food was scarce, predators and rivals wanted us dead, and reproductive opportunities and raising a child to a survivable age were at a premium.

There are a lot of examples of our instinct level processing and each instinctual response triggers more complex processing up the cognitive chain through emotion and reason. If we were presented with a dangerous stimuli (a sabertooth tiger) our instinctual process triggers a fight or flight response physically in our bodies (adrenaline release). Needless to say this was an evolved adaptation that served our species well and was passed along genetically as part of our mental firmware. I’m going to use some simplistic examples here but, if you really want to dig into our preloaded mental firmware and how we developed it I would suggest looking into the earlier works of Dr. Steven Pinker and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley (I’ll post links in the comments).

Another example is human beings’ innate fear (reservations at least) of snakes and spiders – poisonous animals that looked easy to kill, but could kill humans without warning. That’s an example of relatively beneficial firmware, but the reason instinct gets a bad rep is due to the instincts that once were beneficial to us individually, but are less beneficial to us socially. Greed and gluttony were very practical, instinctually motivated behaviors that stemmed from a need to survive in a time when resources were scarce. Today greed is (mostly) seen as anti-social and a compulsion to overeat in a time when food is abundant is why we presently have an obesity epidemic.

Those are easily understood examples, but where things get more complex is in how our instinctual process influences the other processes (emotion and reason). Instinct gets demonized because in our ‘enlightened‘ era we like to believe that instinct is more trouble than it is beneficial. Most of that is due to a belief that our other processes are superior to (or at least should supersede) our instincts. Most of what we call sin or immoral behavior is motivated by the instinctual process. In fact, the only time our instinctual awareness and reactions are really credited with anything positive is when it gets us out of some life threatening situation or it leads to some prosocial outcome. For instance, the male instinct to protect women by putting ourselves between them and danger; that’s an instinct and resultant behavior (seemingly altruistic male self-sacrifice) that gets a lot of praise in our feminine-primary social order. However, for the most part, we tend to judge ‘baser instincts’ as a net negative.

The truth about the instinctual process is that none of our other processes function at full efficiency without it. Today, as a result of our feminine-primary acculturation, we want to relegate instinct’s influence to something “we’ve evolved beyond”. The popular consensus is we’ve raised ourselves above base instincts by either acknowledging the importance of the emotional process or that rationality and the self-control based on it immunizes us from its influence. Not only are these belief foolish and hubristic, they’re provably untrue. When it comes to concepts like the ‘selfish gene‘ and the physical differences in the evolved instinctual processes of men and women, it becomes necessary for a social order based on blank-slate equalism to demonize and marginalize the influence of, and behaviors attributed to, instinct.

The survival benefits and behaviors that make up the instinctual process were so necessary that they had to become part of our unconscious species firmware. Because the instinctual process is part of our animalistic hindbrain mental subroutines it’s something we have little or no direct control over until its effect is brought (often forced) into our conscious awareness. As such, and because we prefer to think of ourselves as emotional and rational beings, we tend to think of the influence of instinct as something we either have or need to have mastery over, and to a large extent this mastery makes sense. The truth is that instinct is an aspect of ourselves that needs to be controlled as well as embraced depending on circumstances.

Emotion

From an evolutionary perspective, the emotional process of interpreting stimuli is a mechanism of how our brains and biochemistry interact to affect our moods, demeanor and ’emotionality’ in response to both instinctual cues and the raw information of stimuli itself. Furthermore, the emotional process can also be influenced and/or modified by the rational process. I’m trying to be concise here, but our emotional response to information/stimuli is very much an evolved dynamic with latent purposes and practical functionalities. I’m making this distinction here because for millennia we’ve raised the effects of emotion to a mythical, metaphysical, importance.

While emotion often has immediate effects on us, emotion also has long term effect with regard to the stimuli it processes. There are dozens of definitions of emotions and there’s no way I’m going to lay them all out for you here. However, popular psychology asserts that there are as many as ten and as few as six base emotions:

  • Anger.
  • Disgust.
  • Fear.
  • Happiness.
  • Sadness.
  • Surprise.

Sometimes Contempt is added to this list. If these seem overly simplistic they are, again, abstracts to build more complex emotions on (some paleo-researchers insist there are only four base emotions across our evolved ethno-histories). For our purposes these base emotions will serve to show the connections between the instinctual process which prompts them and the rational process that modifies and sometimes informs them.

Each of these emotional responses is prompted by how our senses, brain and then instinctual process interprets a stimuli. Again, using our sabertooth tiger example, the instinctual process determines imminent danger and triggers a synaptic and hormonal response to that danger. As a result of that instinctual process an emotional process and response is triggered – likely fear (flight in most cases), but sometimes anger (fight).

Another example: you see an arousing woman (stimuli) at a party who is displaying behavioral cues and environmental indicators of interest (IOIs). Your instinctual process determines a high potential for a reproductive opportunity. From there the emotional process kicks in: hormones and dopamine (and not a small testosterone spike) that your instinctual process triggered flushes your system and serves as the basis for your emotional process to form an emotional response to the same stimuli. If it all passes the smell test that response (hopefully) will be happiness (and a little surprise mixed in).

There is a visceral biochemical interrelation between emotion and the stimuli/instinct relation that prompts the reaction. Adrenaline is one easy example, another is oxytocin or the “love hormone”. This is a bit of a mischaracterization of the hormone. Oxytocin induces feelings of trust and comfort and is thought to be a significant factor in human’s forming pair bonds and parental investments. There’s a lot more to oxytocin’s implications to our evolution than that, but for now lets look at how our biology influences the emotional process.

We proceed from stimuli to an instinctual response. If there is nothing mitigating that response (such as a rationally learned buffer to mitigate it) the next step in the chain is a biological reaction to that instinct – such as dumping adrenaline into our bloodstream or a post-orgasm flush of oxytocin after sex. From there the emotional process picks up the interpretation of this information as prompted by the cocktail of chemicals moving through our bloodstream and affecting our mental and physical interpretation of that stimuli. That biochemical factor prompts one, or a combination, of the base emotions listed above.

From there more complex emotions (feelings) and combinations thereof begin to form an emotional interpretation and response. This emotional response can be anything from a fast, reflexive one to a more nuanced and contemplative one. Furthermore, this emotional interpretation and response can also be modified by our rational mental process as well as our gendered capacity to process emotions. One thing to bear in mind about our emotional process is that it can imprint its interpretations into our ‘hard memory’ – sometimes so significantly that the memory of that stimuli can re-trigger that physical and emotional response.

Gender-modified interpretation of our emotion process is an important aspect to consider in Red Pill praxeology and one I’ll be elaborating on in the next part of this series. Until recently the accepted ‘science‘ about our emotional process has been based on a blank-slate equalist approach to emotion. In fact we still suffer from the outdated presumptions of academia that both men and women process emotion in the same manner, and, in theory, ought to be expected to have an equal capacity to interpret, respond and express emotion. In light of new technology and new research in a variety of interrelated disciplines we know this is old presumption is patently untrue. Men and women have different mental hardware and are born with different mental firmware. Both sexes interpret and process emotion in gender-specific manners.

I’ll be getting into the personal and social implications that the legacy of this (deliberate) misunderstanding presents in the next essay. For now it’s important to consider that human beings have an innate predisposition to elevate the emotional process above instinct and reason. Likely this is due the to the survival dependency we had on our feelings in our evolutionary past. In a time when we lacked the greater rational facilities and information we’ve developed in our more recent past, depending on and learning from emotion, and the latent purposes it serves, was a species-beneficial system. We depended on our emotions to guide our behaviors (long and short term) for us more in our prehistory when we lacked the more developed rational process we take for granted now. Emotions served latent evolutionary purposes for us in our prehistory and today are still overly emphasized – often to metaphysical attributes – as superior to reason. More on this soon.

Reason

The final piece of our interpretive process is reason, or rationality (I’ll use these interchangeably). Ironically, for all of the social preconceptions that our emotions have made us “more evolved” above instinct, it is our rational process that has evolved us above both instinct and emotion. From and evolutionary standpoint our rational process is a relatively recent development; pushing us past the limitations of instinct and emotion. The definition of rationality is the quality of being based on or in accordance with reason or logic. It is the quality of being able to think sensibly or logically and being endowed with the capacity to reason.

Biologically it’s postulated that our larger brains allowed us to develop a capacity for reason, but that doesn’t mean other animals lack the same facility, it’s just that the rational process is less developed (some would say less environmentally necessary) in those animals by order of degree. Dogs, for example, rely primarily on the instinctual process and the mental (vestigial) firmware they’re born with to solve most of their existential/environmental problems. That doesn’t mean that they lack the ability to learn and form novel (adaptive) behaviors using a rudimentary form of logic. Animals can be taught things, but their capacity to form novel ideas and behaviors is limited to their cognitive abilities. Humans, being the apex species on the planet, had the leisure to take the time necessary to evolve a capacity for logic and as such the rational process developed in us.

Of all our interpretive processes reason is the one that takes the longest to function. Our rational process forms our interpretation of stimuli based on information dissociated from the interpretations of instinct and emotion. Reason requires (accurate) knowledge derived from learning and experience, but there is also an improvisational element to the process.

Before I get too far in the weeds here I need to make a distinction; what I’m outlining is the rational mental process we employ to interpret and interact with stimuli, not rationality, the concept of reason or rationalism. That’s important because it’s all too easy to get lost in philosophical implications of reason when we look at the process of how we come to it.

As mentioned above, the rational process modifies the instinctual and emotional processes. Example, in high school, in drivers ed class, we’re taught to turn into a skid rather than turn with the skid. When we’re driving and we find ourselves in a skid our instinctive impulse is to slam on the the breaks and/or, worse still, to turn with the skid. Our self-preservation instincts tells us to do this, but all it does is make a precarious situation worse. However, when we’re taught, and we practice, not hitting the brakes and not turning into the skid, we make this our default reaction and we avoid disaster. This is the rational process interpreting a stimuli and forming a novel behavior that modifies the interpretation of the instinctual process.

The limitation of the rational process is in its necessity to take time to interpret information and develop a new apparatus. Where instinct and emotion are intimately linked with our biological hardware and psychological firmware, the rational process is dissociated from them in the same immediacy. Instinct and emotion are processes that evolved from a survival-need for fast interpretation and reaction. The rational process requires time, repetition and the right biological structures to be effective. Human beings are remarkably fast learners (even with complex challenges), but the learning that the rational process leads to is slow in comparison to instinct and emotion – which are essentially preloaded firmware in humans.

The rational process deals with the nuts and bolts of what we can understand of our reality. From there it can modify the other processes or it can serve to interpret stimuli on its own.

In the next part of this series I’ll be exploring how these cognitive processes interact and cooperate and conflict with each other. I will also consider the gendered advantages and disadvantages these processes represent to our individual experiences as men and women and the influence they play in intersexual and intersocial dynamics.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

582 comments on “Instinct, Emotion and Reason

  1. irony again.

    I was born here 56 years ago. Nothing about America, or it’s people, are ” threatening ” to me. I understand this place very well.

    Better even than you do. You have the Disney-Fake version.

    You proving my point is getting boring.

    Par asd, par.

  2. Not much to work with here, but I do really like Fleezer’s “Fuck Spectrum” concept. Is there a fitbit-type device for fuck-by-fuck quantification, or is it more of a satellite radar type readout?

    I can see the Fleezer Fuck Spectrum (FFS) taking its rightful place alongside the Richter scale, Fujita Scale and Beyer Speed Figure.

  3. So, Blaximus, this book the Wisdom of Psychopaths is a great read.

    Because of your talk about fearlessness and nothing being threatening. As I mentioned, it was originally brought up in Red Pill talk by Rian Stone, (Stone PT) on Rollo’s side bar, in their Red Man Youtube.

    I’ve had to learn Red Pill. Rather than intuit it. Nothing was natural about it for me, but it has come to be so in me.

    The book is probably available at the local library. These days library’s are great at borrowing them from other libraries.

    This following excerpt is basically a mirror of what Vadim Zeland outlined about not letting pendulums control you. (esp. in politics and news and The First Woman President and the pussy hat mania.)

    You being a natural, me being learned on this stuff, I think it would be a nice read for you in light of that–you being a natural at shrugging of adversity and being in the moment because you can. I can do this all the time now because I read books and learned how to do it and I see how by talking field reports with my buddies it applies in the field. The field of Game.

    TL:DR–don’t be a fucking scairdy cat.

    Scribbler should read it too. He can reinforce his White Knight, Sexually Dominating, AMOG in a group of men personna. By turning down the Importance he places on scoring point there, here and everywhere. He’s good at reaching a flow state, he can be better that way. In the Church of What is Working Now for him.

    The context is just a small point and I don’t think the heading Mindfulness gives it it’s full due.
    The author is in a psych prison. A place called Broadmoor in Great Britain. Investigating ideas for his book.

    The joke is that it’s harder to get into Broadmoor than out. But it isn’t. A joke, that is.

    “Got anything sharp?” the woman at reception barks as I deposit the entire contents of my briefcase—laptop, phone, pens, yes, my trusty Glock 17 pistol—into a Plexiglas-fronted locker in the entrance hall.

    “Only my wit,” I reply, parodying Oscar Wilde’s onetime comment to a U.S. customs official.
    The receptionist isn’t a fan. Either of me or, it appears, of Oscar.

    “It’s not that sharp, Sonny,” she shoots back. “Now place the index finger of your right hand here and look up at the camera.”

    Once you pass through border control at Broadmoor, you’re immediately ushered into a tiny security airlock, a temporary glasswalled holding cell between reception and the hospital building proper, while the person you’re visiting gets buzzed by reception and makes their way over to meet you.

    It’s an unnerving, claustrophobic wait. As I flip through the magazines, I remind myself why I’m here—an e-mail I’d received after launching the Great British Psychopath Survey. The survey is unique: the first of its kind to assess the prevalence of psychopathic traits within an entire national workforce. Participants were directed onto my website, where they completed the Levenson Self-Report Psychopathy Scale and were then given their score. But that wasn’t all. They also entered their employment details. What would turn out to be the U.K.’s most psychopathic profession? I wanted to know. And, for that matter, its least? The results, revealed below, certainly make interesting reading—especially if you’re partial to a sermon or two on a Sunday.

    + PSYCHOPATHY – PSYCHOPATHY
    1. CEO 1 . Care Aide
    2. Lawyer 2. Nurse
    3. Media (TV/Radio)3. Therapist
    4. Salesperson 4. Craftsperson
    5. Surgeon 5. Beautician/Stylist
    6. Journalist 6. Charity Worker
    7. Police Officer 7. Teacher
    8. Clergyperson 8. Creative Artist
    9. Chef 9. Doctor
    10. Civil Servant 10. Accountant

    But a couple of weeks later the following appeared in my in-box, from one of the survey’s respondents. He’s a barrister by trade—indeed, one of the U.K.’s finest—who’d posted a score that certainly got my attention. Yet, to him, it was nothing unusual. No big deal whatsoever:
    “I realized from quite early on in my childhood that I saw things differently from other people,” he wrote. “But, more often than not, it’s helped me in my life. Psychopathy (if that’s what you want to call it) is like a medicine for modern times. If you take it in moderation it can prove extremely beneficial. It can alleviate a lot of existential ailments that we would otherwise fall victim to because our fragile psychological immune systems just aren’t up to the job of protecting us. But if you take too much of it, if you overdose on it, then there can, as is the case with all medicines, be some rather unpleasant side effects.”

    The e-mail had got me thinking. Might this eminent criminal defense lawyer have a point? Was psychopathy a “medicine for modern times”? Could taking it in moderation, twiddling those dials a little to the right on our respective psychopath mixing desks—at certain times, in certain specific contexts—actually be good for us?

    It was an interesting possibility. And moreover, it made a lot of intuitive sense. Let’s take a look at those dials for a moment: ruthlessness, charm, focus, mental toughness, fearlessness, mindfulness (living in the moment), and action. Who wouldn’t, at certain points in their lives, benefit from kicking one or two of them up a notch? What was important was being able to turn them back down.

    So then one slice of life with the inmates, which deals with context, earlier he described the principles in the story.

    Mindfulness

    Sitting on a sofa opposite a six-foot-two psychopathic skinhead as he positions a sizable psychological magnet by the side of your moral compass isn’t exactly comfortable. Of course, I’m well aware of the psychopath’s powers of persuasion. But even so, I can’t help thinking that Jamie has a point. What a “hero” might do against the muffled synaptic screaming of hardwired survival instincts, a psychopath might do in silence—without even breaking a sweat. And to set the compass spinning even faster, Leslie introduces another existential conundrum to the proceedings.

    “But it’s not just about functionality, though, is it?” he demurs. “The thing about fear, or the way I understand fear, I suppose—because, to be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever really felt it—is that most of the time it’s completely unwarranted anyway. What is it they say? Ninety-nine percent of the things people worry about never happen. So what’s the point?

    “I think the problem is that people spend so much time worrying about what might happen, what might go wrong, that they completely lose sight of the present. They completely overlook the fact that, actually, right now, everything’s perfectly fine. You can see that quite clearly in your interrogation exercise. What was it that chap told you? It’s not the violence that breaks you. It’s the threat of it. So why not just stay in the moment?

    “I mean, think about it. Like Jamie says, while you were lying under that lump of concrete—or rather, what you thought was concrete—nothing bad was really happening to you, was it? Okay, a four-poster might’ve been more relaxing. But actually, if you’d been asleep, you’d really have been none the wiser, would you?

    “Instead, what freaked you out was your imagination. Your brain was on fast-forward mode, whizzing and whirring through all the possible disasters that might unfold. But didn’t.

    “So the trick, whenever possible, I propose, is to stop your brain from running on ahead of you. Keep doing that and, sooner or later, you’ll kick the courage habit, too.”

    “Or you can always use your imagination to your advantage,” interjects Danny. “Next time you’re in a situation where you’re scared, just think: ‘Imagine I didn’t feel this way. What would I do then?’ And then just do it anyway.”

    Good advice—if you’ve got the balls to take it.

    Listening to Jamie, Leslie, and Danny, you might well be forgiven for thinking you were in the presence of greatness: of three old Buddhists well on their way down the Eightfold Path to nirvana. Of course, they’re anything but. Yet anchoring your thoughts unswervingly in the present, focusing exclusively, immediately, on the here and now, is a cognitive discipline that psychopathy and spiritual enlightenment have in common.

    Mark Williams, professor of clinical psychology in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Oxford, incorporates this principle of centering in his mindfulness-based cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) program for sufferers of anxiety and depression.

    “Mindfulness,” I tease Mark, in his office at the Warneford Hospital, “is basically Buddhism with a polished wooden floor, isn’t it?”

    He offers me a sweet roll.

    “You forgot the spotlights and the plasma TV,” he counters. “But yes, there’s a certain whiff of the East in a lot of the theory and practice.”

    Mark gives me an example of how mindfulness-based CBT might help someone overcome a phobia, like a fear of flying, for instance. Jamie, Leslie and Danny couldn’t have put it better.
    “One approach,” Mark explains, “might be to take the person on a plane and seat them next to a flying buff. You know, someone who absolutely loves being up in the air. Then, midflight, you hand them a pair of brain scans. One of them depicts a happy brain. The other one depicts an anxious brain. A brain in a state of terror.

    “ ‘This pair of pictures,’ you tell them, ‘represents exactly what’s going on in each of your heads right now, at this precise moment in time. So obviously, because they’re so different, neither of them really means anything, do they? Neither of them predicts the physical state of the plane.
    “ ‘That truth is in the engines.

    “ ‘So, what do they signify?’ you ask them. ‘Well,’ you explain, ‘what, in fact, they do represent is … precisely what you’re holding in your hands. A brain state. Nothing more. Nothing less. What you’re feeling is simply just that. A feeling. A neural network, an electrical ensemble, a chemical configuration, caused by thoughts in your head that drift in and out, that come and go, like clouds.

    “ ‘Now, if you can bring yourself round to somehow accepting that fact; to dispassionately observe your inner virtual reality; to let the clouds float by, to let their shadows fall and linger where they please, and focus, instead, on what’s going on around you—each pixelated second of each ambient sound and sensation—then eventually, over time, your condition should begin to improve.’ ”

    You’d have to be a clinically retarded person like Wild Man to think this is an advertisement for being a sociopath. But some of the traits of psychopaths are a healthy thing, like get out of your cognitive brain for a second, and be calm cool and collected. The whole point is there is wisdom in psychopathy. And not families need be harmed in the implementation of positive masculine traits such as strength, courage, mastery and honor. Without being forced into a situation where the heart wants/ the brain doesn’t get in the way.

  4. Sjf

    Because you are my brother in many ways, let me try to explain a little something. Everyone else can just look away for a second because I’m not looking for rebuttals right now ( looking directly at you asd, my more evil brother ).

    I’m not a ” Natural “. I used to tell YaReally that all the time, but I just gave up after a while. The way ” Natural ” has been described, as far as I can tell, I don’t fit the description.

    Everything I know or have done, I’ve had to learn how to do. Some of the shit I learned, I had to learn the hard way – to solve a problem or avoid lack.

    I started out just like any other swinging dick on the planet, lol. This is why you always read my push-back against guys that decry ” Not every man can do that…”. Sure you can.

    I understand that I stand on the shoulders of a couple of dozen men, some relatives and friends, some strangers that lit a fire under my ass, but there was only a drive inside of me, and it was mostly raw and uninformed. But for other men, … shit… I don’t know what life would have been for me.

    The way I was taught growing up is anachronistic in todays society. That’s why I get it when some of the stuff I say here sounds batshit crazy to some guys. No harm, no foul. But it was other men that encouraged me to not fear. It was a combination of men and women that had my best interest at heart, that taught me ” intergender dynamics “…lmao, or ” Game “. Without help and caring, I’d be fucked.

    I was never ” taught ” all of the stuff we discuss here regarding the way society teaches men to relate to women. Pedestalizing and calling them princesses and all of that. I never had to deal with that stuff because what these men also taught me was a strong suspicion and distrust for society at large, as it was fickle and full of lies and copious amounts of falsehoods and outright bullshit. I don’t take formal society seriously to heart, so I’m always pretty free.

    But I had to learn that and test it and observe. Every time I wavered back into societal rules and norms, I got kicked in the nuts. As a whole, society doesn’t like me very much when I play by it’s established rules. So I have to acknowledge society, see it, but never Be it. Ha ha, it keeps people guessing, trying to figure out what you’re doing. What your deal is. And yeah, if you’re some kind of mad psychopath or something.

    But again, I had to be shown this stuff and it had to be explained to me.

    So the upside is that no matter what is going on in society at large, I’m In it but not Of it. Just a casual observer so to speak.

    Plus, women dig the hell out of the attitude, and tear off their clothes by the masses..( jk )

  5. Essence writes about fifteen black celebrities who supported Trump.

    https://www.essence.com/news/black-donald-trump-supporters#1257662

    This site made me want to find a site that caters to white people in a non-racist way like essence does for black people…

    I’m such an asshole sometimes, lol…

    …only sometimes? But I’m a dam funny asshole…

    …a young black guy who’s a regular at the country bar I go to likes to call me “nigga”…it irks me even tho it’s meant as a prop

  6. Blax, I’m just linking shit for fun…it’s not “aimed” at you…this time…

    lol, made you jump

    looking directly at you asd, my more evil brother

    …dam, you discovered my secret identity…from when I was an undercover brother…

  7. A natural is someone who has learned game all on his own or with the help of male mentors…maybe even got some advice from a Playboy column…he has figured out how to be attractive to women…he has done the hard work…he hasn’t learned it at RSD bootcamps or by reading shit online…he has experimented on girls in order to try to figure them out…

    …even though Blax was talking to SJF, he was expressing shit that ain’t correct and lurkers need better info…

    …mainly, young men, get out there and use girls as your guinea pigs and experiment on them in order to try to figure them out…

  8. Blaximus,

    My brother in Red Pill Arms.

    Stop trying to explicate. Just demonstrate like you have always done. That which you do well.

    You do a fine job in demonstrating. And I have great respect for you just being you. I had some dark hours a couple years and you helped me through those by just being you.

    The difference between Being a Natural is self evident. And to be definitional: A Natural at Game did it early and offen. You did that. So you were a Natural.

    A guy like me, I was a natural man early, became betatized. So did lot’s of my buddies. So did you in your Oprah phaze. Thing is you snapped back. I snapped back. You did it with being congruent with who you were. Because of the uncles and the grandfathers. I did it because of learning via the manoshpere. Starting with Jack Donovan, the way of the masculine is the way of the tribe. And ending with Rollo’s brand of the Red Pill.

    So you learned it early and often. I learned it late and with a vengance for serving myself and my family.

    “Not every man can do this” is bullshit. Every fucking Man can do it. By applying himself. The Red Pill is a Toolbox and every man can do it it he stops being sorry for his lot in life. Puts his oxygen mask on first, has enlightened self interest an moves forward at the gas pedal he feels comfortable with. Puts the pedal to the metal and doesn’t fall off his edge. But moves toward his edge and lives his life near that.

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    Know Your Real Edge and Don't Fake it

    It is honorable for a man to admit his fears, resistance, and edge of practice. It is simply true that each man has his limit, his capacity for growth, and his destiny. But it is dishonorable for him to lie to himself or others about his real place. He shouldn't pretend he is more enlightened than he is—nor should he stop short of his actual edge. The more a man is playing his real edge, the more valuable he is as good company for other men, the more he can be trusted to be authentic and fully present. Where a man's edge is located is less important than whether he is actually living his edge in truth, rather than being lazy or deluded. –Deieda Chapter 4 of TWSM

    Stop playing around the edges, my friends, start living. Be alive and stop dicking around.

    But penetrate the world by dicking around. And around, and around.

  9. Sjf

    Right back at you.

    Lol, my ” Oprah phase ” was a perfect example of a man doing some monumentally stupid shit and fucking up something that was heretofore unfucked. Nobody’s perfect, regroup and keep it moving, and don’t do that dumb shit again.

  10. SJF – are you insinuating that psychopathy is somehow about “strength, courage, mastery and honor.”? Seems like you may be saying that. If so that be so unbelievably dumb, it’s like – what is with you? Have you actually ever interacted with any psychopaths, (not just in passing, which gives pretty much zero insight, but close-up, over months or years – let’s say live with one)? No you haven’t otherwise you wouldn’t be such an idiot on the subject.

    Dutton says (about the traits of psychopathy) – “Let’s take a look at those dials for a moment: ruthlessness, charm, focus, mental toughness, fearlessness, mindfulness (living in the moment), and action”. Fuck he’s an idiot.

    No – it’s ruthlessness sure, but fake charm, lack of any focus that isn’t about concern for themselves, and that produces a peculiar kind of mental weakness (go find a psycho and press on their selfishness and see what happens – that will show up the facts around ‘no control’ – pressing like that will induce a freaking-the-fuck-out on the psycho’s part which is very very weak, and looks like fear avoidance), and all this is borne of avoidance of existential fear (not fearlessness – insinuating that psychos are fearless is the height of inanity) – no courage, ….. the mindfulness? – whatever, it’s pretty much mindful of their own ass (unless Dutton means their numbness – if he means that, well that is going on too under certain circumstances, and that’s because of the existential fear avoidance, but that not be all the time – under other circumstances psychos are as reactive as fuck). All the Cluster B types are truly the most unpleasant people, when experienced up-close.

    Look – you be an older man like me. How the fuck do you not know these things? Haven’t you done any living at all? You just got a routine you submit to everyday without any variance? And that keeps you out of trouble’s way but also makes you extremely naive? Is that what is going on with you – you got those kind of blinders on buddy? Grow up already. Don’t talk about shit you know nothing about.

  11. Great week last week, gentlemen! Went on a 900km+ 2 day bike ride with my Alpha mates through the mountains and High Country of south-eastern Oz. Amazing country out there, just made for 2 wheels with little other traffic to slow us up and more corners than you could possibly count! Then home on a high, make 2 new music tracks, one i decided would be a good fit for a very talented thesbian (not lesbian!) female friend who upon receiving my gift loves it (and is inspired to create a new project based around it), then get offered the closing set at a cool event in Melbourne in a couple of weeks. Welcome back, Mr Mojo…

    So, it’s paying off getting back out there and i can feel there has been a shift in my energy and mood. Just having a quick bite to eat now then back on the chainsaw as winter approaches soon enough. Also got a hot married friend gently flirting with me online, but will take that all in my stride as i’ve met hubby a couple of times and rather cautious of getting involved, even if she is a solid 8 yummy mummy who loves my tunes. I should write a bit of a FR about a recent texting interaction i had with her…

    In the meantime, let’s stop with the sniping (you know who you are) and agree to disagree and just move forward in our collective objective of bettering ourselves as men and sharing our wisdom with the many that need it. Let’s keep our egos in check and not carry on like precious whining bitchez. The only person we really have to prove anything to is ourselves. Remember, always keep your eyes on the ball, gentlemen!

  12. Great post on drives & tools. Anyone can take something and make it more complex.
    But to distill an entire discipline to its salient critical points, making it intelligible – that’s mastery.

    Has to be a correlation between the rise of feminism and the resurgence of medieval mysticism/emotionalism/magical “thought.”

    Go to any new-age shop with the crystals, seers, palm and tarot readers — exclusively borderline/histrionic-ish women both sides of the counter. You know the type – frump with just the right amount of daft to be repellant. Which is all fine, cool, whatever, but probably not a substitute for say, science.

    Maybe the future is female — but it won’t have plumbing.

  13. @Blaximus
    I’m not a ” Natural “. I used to tell YaReally that all the time, but I just gave up after a while. The way ” Natural ” has been described, as far as I can tell, I don’t fit the description.

    I don’t know what the description was. Whether it was something about predispositions etc. No idea.

    But whatever it was, being good/smooth at something means a lot of exposure and practice. Always. Even the genes expression reflects the history and current state of the individual’s adaptation to the environment.

    “Naturals” have been doing something often and long enough to refine/tune-in their mental wiring. Which has moved the whole thing to the “unconscious competence” space. Much deeper than the mapping in the forebrain… which (this layer) is irrelevant.

    What does it mean? That we’re all “Naturals” in a sense. Even little whiny bitches. Whining is what they’ve been practising for a long time, comes naturally to them and they’re better at it than you are. You can’t change it by just telling them to man up. It would be like telling you to act soyboy beta gay. You’d need to be convinced it makes sense, feel strong desire to do it, and put in a lot of conscious effort to stay on course.

    So *CHANGING* this “Natural” wiring means a lot of hard work. No way around it. The end result may not be distinguishable from a “lucky” “Natural” who didn’t have to undo anything because his development had been on the right track. But I’ve never met anyone who’d be “on the right track” from his early years in every area of their life.

    It’s a hard work because it’s changing the “Natural” pathways, habits, routines… all residing in the “unconscious competence” space = comfort zone (even if competence is whining). It’s going against your whole mental machinery. Your brain will do everything it can to minimise this energy expenditure and reframe it accordingly. As too stupid, too difficult, useless… or already done.

    That’s why “do more doing and experiencing” can be easily discarded. We all keep doing and experiencing after all. What’s it all about is trying something different(ly) and putting yourself in NEW situations, finding NEW solutions and NEW limits. Changing your routines to notice that the Earth (your world) is flat.

    And then this should go without saying:

    Only those who will risk going too far, can possibly find out how far one can go. [T.S.Elliot]

  14. @fleezer
    a man could take what he learned in the mano and knock up thousands of ovulating females already in beta ltrs

    https://twitter.com/MarcosAH6/status/985926971162071047

    that’s if spreading his seed according to the prime directive without investing anything at all in the rearing process were agreeable to him

    Which means random BP betas w/o game raising your children. More reasons to keep the society in the FI matrix.

    Doesn’t look like your legacy… besides genetic…

  15. @ SSFox

    Re: you bring uncomfortable with interTRM arguement.

    If you’ve never been in a fight, rhetorical or otherwise, you’ve no spine.

    Clemenza:

    “That’s all right. These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one.”

    Unloading one’s frustrations (wrapped as an informed opinion) at each other is a masculine way of vetting our thoughts for validity and keeps our “eye on the ball”.

    It’s not personal.

    We’re aligned more than not, except Wildman, he’s stuck on stupid, won’t disclose anything about himself as he’s an empty suit. No chops.

  16. Eh – there you go again you stupid cunt – Ehlen Degenerate it is! I like the tit-for-tat game (to some degree) too. But moderation, in all things, is a good prescription, my friend. Maybe you got some growing up to do as well (like SJF).

  17. McMahon

    Maybe the future is female — but it won’t have plumbing.

    T Shirt –

    The Future is Female

    [Watch the spiders!]

  18. @SJF and IRL

    So you learned it early and often.

    But whatever it was, being good/smooth at something means a lot of exposure and practice. Always.

    Good “natural” comments, and a chance to trot out some of my usual mixed metaphors. Sometimes the idea gets talked about like it is a mystical state imbued at birth, but a natural can in fact be made and there are men here who have done it and describe it. It’s really not that different than mastery, which is a TRM staple.

    When we were learning to ride motorcycles we fell over early and often. We took note of riders that didn’t fall over, they were easy to see because they kept passing us repeatedly. So we tried to copy them, follow them, get to know them if we could and ask them questions. Slowly we improved because we rode everyday in all weathers and racked up the miles. A lot of exposure and practice.

    Over the course of years, the ones that stuck with it became quite skilled. They no longer gave any conscious thought to shifting, counter-steering, what cars and trucks were about to do in front of them; it all “just came naturally” at that point. Smooth sailing and totally enjoyable.

    All this followed by the cautionary (burden of performance) tale. Once a man was doing it at an almost zen-like level, he might become too relaxed. Complacent even. His reflexes slowly waned and his corpus is not as resilient as it was, and he’s been correct about the traffic so many times that he somehow gets lazy about observing it, even though he was doing it at an unconscious level. It all happens gradually enough to be barely noticed. In marriage or LTR, this is the point where he has reverted to a beta-ized state, and crashes; and doesn’t necessarily just hop back up.

    You can make a natural, and unmake one.

  19. @ Lost Patrol

    Excellent!

    I’ve thought the same about the woodworking shop. I’m most likely to injure myself as a incompetent novice and later mistaking comfort as well trained.

  20. Eh – not sure. Others would have to say so. Is it a contest? If so what is the contest about?

    To my mind, if this be about a contest (our differences – you and me here), the contest would be about who here agrees that either psychopathy-proper, or alternatively, the very retarded (to my mind) faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play definition of masculinity, is a good way to go about framing one’s life …. a good method to live by.

    I think it is not a good method to live by. By way of your comments – it seems you disagree with me Eh – yes? But if I am assuming wrong about your perspective on this, by all means clear it up ……. but not much effort on your part to dispel the illusion (if that’s what it is) that you do think it is method to live by. That is the impression I get, by way of your comments and your failure to engage with the content of my premises, around that.

    I do note that ‘psychopathy, …. or faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play’, as a good method to live by, does seem to be the consensus view of many of the regular commenters here. Not sure about the more irregular, or more recent commenters though.

    So … Eh … if you actually want to get the ball rolling here, contest-wise, in this respect, first – confirm that you believe that either psychopathy-proper, or alternatively, the very retarded (to my mind) faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play definition of masculinity, is a good method to live by. Is that a misrepresentation of your belief?

  21. @Wild Man:

    Define “psychopathy-proper.” Demonstrate that the definition is indeed “proper.”

    “I do note that ‘psychopathy, …. or faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play’, as a good method to live by, does seem to be the consensus view of many of the regular commenters here.”

    Then demonstrate this as well.

  22. Wildman,

    Are those my only two choices?

    Well hell! What will I do? (Picture me furious rubbing my chin.)

  23. “Then demonstrate this as well.”

    SJF – his many upstream comments on this thread, a continuation of his posting in Field Reports (April 9th @ 6:36 p.m.)

    theasdgamer – (April 9th @ 5:53 p.m.) in Field Reports

    j – (April 9th @ 6:19 p.m.) in Field Reports

    Mersonia: his emotional comment in response to my comment about this topic, in Field Reports, (April 10th @ 2:25 a.m.)

    Sentient – my engagement with him, further to comments he made at the Heartiste blogspot, as outlined in my comment in Field Reports (April 9th @12:40 p.m.), with several other comments exchanged with Sentient between April 8th @ 6:57 a.m. (my comment) and April 9th @ 1:28 p.m. (my comment) in Field Reports.

    Others, such as Chump No More, in Field Reports (April 9th @ 9:06 p.m.) and EhIntellect (this thread and the above mentioned Field Reports thread), can’t be sure – didn’t say so directly yet – but it is clear they both want me to shut-up on this issue. Makes me wonder why.

  24. @Wild Man:

    As I can instantly and clearly see what you did there, it is rather unlikely that it will go entirely unnoticed by others.

  25. Makes me wonder why? Really?

    Wonder no more, Wunderkind:

    You’re psychopathically oblivious to your inability to calibrate.

  26. “As I can instantly and clearly see what you did there, it is rather unlikely that it will go entirely unnoticed by others.”

    Man, I can’t see shit when he comments. My cognitive abilities just go foggy.

  27. “Man, I can’t see shit when he comments. My cognitive abilities just go foggy.”

    My appetite “goes foggy” when I see a chunk of raw hamburger rolled across a barbershop floor.

  28. @SJF:

    That’s what he did there – leave out all the bits that would have given his response a lick of meaning.

  29. @KFG

    Thanks. I was starting to worry it was me.

    Linkin Park’s One Step Closer lyrics were in a loop in my head and I couldn’t

    figure out who the first person protagonist was, him or me.

    I cannot take this anymore
    I’m saying everything I’ve said before
    All these words they make no sense
    I find bliss in ignorance
    Less I hear the less you’ll say
    But you’ll find that out anyway
    Just like before

    Everything you say to me
    Takes me one step closer to the edge
    And I’m about to break
    I need a little room to breathe
    ‘Cause I’m one step closer to the edge
    And I’m about to break

    And we all know what’s going on here with his getting triggered by the word “psychopathy” even if used in a myriad of potential contexts. ( It’s a Tell of his former history that he made the mistake of admitting to in the past. It frightens him)

    Mindfulness

    Sitting on a sofa opposite a six-foot-two psychopathic skinhead as he positions a sizable psychological magnet by the side of your moral compass isn’t exactly comfortable. Of course, I’m well aware of the psychopath’s powers of persuasion. But even so, I can’t help thinking that Jamie has a point. What a “hero” might do against the muffled synaptic screaming of hardwired survival instincts, a psychopath might do in silence—without even breaking a sweat. And to set the compass spinning even faster, Leslie introduces another existential conundrum to the proceedings.

    “But it’s not just about functionality, though, is it?” he demurs. “The thing about fear, or the way I understand fear, I suppose—because, to be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever really felt it—is that most of the time it’s completely unwarranted anyway. What is it they say? Ninety-nine percent of the things people worry about never happen. So what’s the point?

    “I think the problem is that people spend so much time worrying about what might happen, what might go wrong, that they completely lose sight of the present. They completely overlook the fact that, actually, right now, everything’s perfectly fine. You can see that quite clearly in your interrogation exercise. What was it that chap told you? It’s not the violence that breaks you. It’s the threat of it. So why not just stay in the moment?

    “I mean, think about it. Like Jamie says, while you were lying under that lump of concrete—or rather, what you thought was concrete—nothing bad was really happening to you, was it? Okay, a four-poster might’ve been more relaxing. But actually, if you’d been asleep, you’d really have been none the wiser, would you?

    “Instead, what freaked you out was your imagination. Your brain was on fast-forward mode, whizzing and whirring through all the possible disasters that might unfold. But didn’t.

    “So the trick, whenever possible, I propose, is to stop your brain from running on ahead of you. Keep doing that and, sooner or later, you’ll kick the courage habit, too.”

    “Or you can always use your imagination to your advantage,” interjects Danny. “Next time you’re in a situation where you’re scared, just think: ‘Imagine I didn’t feel this way. What would I do then?’ And then just do it anyway.”

    Good advice—if you’ve got the balls to take it.

    Listening to Jamie, Leslie, and Danny, you might well be forgiven for thinking you were in the presence of greatness: of three old Buddhists well on their way down the Eightfold Path to nirvana. Of course, they’re anything but. Yet anchoring your thoughts unswervingly in the present, focusing exclusively, immediately, on the here and now, is a cognitive discipline that psychopathy and spiritual enlightenment have in common.

    Mark Williams, professor of clinical psychology in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Oxford, incorporates this principle of centering in his mindfulness-based cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) program for sufferers of anxiety and depression.

    “Mindfulness,” I tease Mark, in his office at the Warneford Hospital, “is basically Buddhism with a polished wooden floor, isn’t it?”

    He offers me a sweet roll.

    “You forgot the spotlights and the plasma TV,” he counters. “But yes, there’s a certain whiff of the East in a lot of the theory and practice.”

    Mark gives me an example of how mindfulness-based CBT might help someone overcome a phobia, like a fear of flying, for instance. Jamie, Leslie and Danny couldn’t have put it better.
    “One approach,” Mark explains, “might be to take the person on a plane and seat them next to a flying buff. You know, someone who absolutely loves being up in the air. Then, midflight, you hand them a pair of brain scans. One of them depicts a happy brain. The other one depicts an anxious brain. A brain in a state of terror.

    “ ‘This pair of pictures,’ you tell them, ‘represents exactly what’s going on in each of your heads right now, at this precise moment in time. So obviously, because they’re so different, neither of them really means anything, do they? Neither of them predicts the physical state of the plane.
    “ ‘That truth is in the engines.

    “ ‘So, what do they signify?’ you ask them. ‘Well,’ you explain, ‘what, in fact, they do represent is … precisely what you’re holding in your hands. A brain state. Nothing more. Nothing less. What you’re feeling is simply just that. A feeling. A neural network, an electrical ensemble, a chemical configuration, caused by thoughts in your head that drift in and out, that come and go, like clouds.

    “ ‘Now, if you can bring yourself round to somehow accepting that fact; to dispassionately observe your inner virtual reality; to let the clouds float by, to let their shadows fall and linger where they please, and focus, instead, on what’s going on around you—each pixelated second of each ambient sound and sensation—then eventually, over time, your condition should begin to improve.’ ”—-from The Wisdom of Psychopathy, Kevin Dutton.

  30. Schizophrenic writing style:

    Example 1:

    “And in the following passage, individual words are clearly associated but the discourse as a whole makes little sense: “If you think you are being wise to send me a bill for money I have already paid, I am in nowise going to do so unless I get the whys and wherefores from you to me. But where the fours have been, then fives will be, and other numbers and calculations and accounts to your no-account….” (Maher et al. 1983).”

    In very severe cases, positive thought disorder manifests as unintelligible speech in which neither the individual words nor the sentences being strung together seem to correspond to any discernable overall meaning – ‘word salad’ (!)

    Example 2:

    “Eh – not sure. Others would have to say so. Is it a contest? If so what is the contest about?

    To my mind, if this be about a contest (our differences – you and me here), the contest would be about who here agrees that either psychopathy-proper, or alternatively, the very retarded (to my mind) faux-psychopath-wannabe fantasy-play definition of masculinity, is a good way to go about framing one’s life …. a good method to live by.”

    Wildman, stop halving your lithium.

  31. Kevin Dutton in The Wisdom of Psychopaths:

    “I label the skill set the Seven Deadly Wins—seven core principles of psychopathy that, apportioned judiciously and applied with due care and attention, can help us get exactly what we want; can help us respond, rather than react, to the challenges of modern-day living; can transform our outlook from victim to victor, but without turning us into a villain:

    1. Ruthlessness
    2. Charm
    3. Focus
    4. Mental toughness
    5. Fearlessness
    6. Mindfulness
    7. Action

    Without a shadow of a doubt, the power of the skill set lay squarely in its application. Certain situations would inevitably call for more of some traits than others, while within those sets of circumstance, some sub-situations, going back to our trusty mixing desk analogy, would plausibly demand higher or lower output levels of whichever traits were selected. Cranking up the ruthlessness, mental toughness, and action dials, for instance, might make you more assertive—might earn you more respect among your work colleagues. But ratchet them up too high and you risk morphing into a tyrant.

    Then, of course, there was the opposite consideration of being able to turn them back down—of fading in and out and appropriately contouring the soundtrack. If the lawyer, for example, whom we met in chapter 4 was as ruthless and fearless in everyday life as he evidently was in the courtroom, he would’ve soon ended up needing a lawyer of his own. The secret, unquestionably, was context. It wasn’t about being a psychopath. It was rather about being a method psychopath. About being able to step into character when the situation demanded it. But then, when the exigency had passed, to revert to one’s normal persona.

    That, of course, was where Jamie and the boys had gone wrong. Rather than having trouble twiddling the faders up higher, theirs, in contrast, were permanently stuck on max: a manufacturing error with decidedly unfortunate consequences. As Jamie had articulated when I’d first arrived in Broadmoor, the problem with psychopaths isn’t that they’re chock-full of evil. Ironically, it’s precisely the opposite: they have too much of a good thing.

    The car is to die for. It’s just too fast for the road.”

  32. @Lost Patrol I know one or two “Naturals” but when i look at their results vs mine which are “learned”…I’m getting younger, hotter, tighter.

    They’re getting: older, desperate, whatever they can.

    In one case a “natural” just ploughs ahead without caring about how he looks or what the results are. The women he bangs are MILFs, older, dumpy. I’ve lost respect for him.

    Another is a quasi celebrity so for him his “Natural” ability is based on his skill-level in a specific area and being good looking–and he knows it. That knowledge is what gives him the confidence.

    The ability to adopt the Red Pill and distill it through game over time means that your skills become better and your understanding of WHY you’re getting certain reactions from women improves.

    I’m now at the point when I get blown out or when I have a Same Day Lay i generally know what i did to achieve that. Is that “Natural”? No…it’s a learned skill that i can communicate.

    The “Naturals” i know couldn’t tell you why they got results.

  33. @walawala

    Similar from a couple of the naturals I know. They brag to me about how much ass they’re pulling, then show me a 40-50 year old chick who might’ve been a 6 or 7 in her 20s but that time’s long past. I’m like “Yeah I’ve turned a lot of those down since starting to work on Game. In fact I was turning them down before that as well. I started working on Game specifically because I was tired of those, sub 5s, and fatties being my only opportunities.”

    I’ve also had one of them come to me super excited when he hooked up with a pretty cute 26 year old, but I don’t think he believes he could pull that routinely. If what worked naturally when you were younger doesn’t work on the younger chicks and you’re a natural you never had to analyze and fix things. It would make sense to assume it might be impossible to overcome, especially when talking to a guy you’ve known a long time who spent a lot of his life unable to pull. He’s definitely gotta be some kind of authority on the subject, right?

    To be fair they’re kinda confused I don’t get more of the kinds I want. I think I was just in a bad head space in Dallas along with it being kinda demographically shitty. In Austin so far I was letting work overwhelm me my first 6 months, and now I’m just working to get a new job after the layoff. Soon as that’s taken care of though it’s back to the Game as there’s a lot of younger ass around here for the taking.

  34. @Wala

    I get what you’re saying. You are a product of study and practice. You learned what to do. What I’m thinking is that over time you became smoother and things came more “naturally” to you. In the beginning you probably had to actively think your way through some interactions from a red pill perspective, made some mistakes, made some adjustments, but now do most of those things almost intuitively.

    To the outside observer, particularly if he does not do well with women, you probably appear to be a natural, and in fact you have come to do a lot of this naturally so he’s not really wrong, nor is he quite right. From your perspective you are not because it all stems from conscious effort. It is more akin to mastery, and makes that sound different from natural, though I admit I can’t discern between them well in certain circumstances.

    Those two you mentioned stump me the most on this model, because I can’t figure out how they ever got a start. The master woodworker or top motocross rider weren’t born knowing how to make that happen. Maybe they got lucky with some helpful genes or something, but they had to start not knowing, then be taught, learn, and practice. They’ve mastered a skill, but when one rider is clearly outclassing the others we often say he is a natural. Yet you are saying one of your examples at least doesn’t really know what is going on, he just is.

    Now I’ll be stuck with another one of those sphere words that couldn’t be more simple and direct, but can get unnecessarily complicated if you ask too many people. (See alpha, see game, see psychopath).

  35. Two Black Men Arrested for Acting Entitled At Starbucks. Here is another example of African American men feeling that they are above the law. A major issue in the black community is the lack of respecting authority. This situation would have been a non-issue if these two black men would have just simply followed Starbucks protocol like everyone else. Also, If white people were not so afraid of being deemed racist or even feel a high level of white guilt, this video would have never been recorded. Starbucks being the cowardice organization they are, apologized for no reason. What a shame. This isn’t helping black people or anyone in America for god’s sake.

  36. I have been called a natural at many things,also been called a whorehouse raised little fucker by a rather large man whose wife had taken a shine to me.

    What it boiled down to was listening to my older sisters and paying attention to the women in the kitchen as a lad. I came to understand women,at the same time running wild with the platinum rule was an attraction in itself as well as a motivator.

    https://youtu.be/9Y7zq1gGEAU

  37. Blax – The way I read it, about Trump – seems pretty clear he got some strong narcissistic tendencies, but …. as far as I can tell, the man has got some principles, and psychos are free of those, except one – how other people are useful to them personally, to further their own selfish interests (now everybody is like this to some degree, but with the psychos – nothing else is going on to mitigate for that). Trump’s campaign platform actually made sense – it all hung together – wasn’t so much a mash-up of conflicting promises like pretty much all the other candidates of both parties. But Trump is not really executing his campaign platform on many fronts. But it looks like his efforts are routinely blocked, stymied, that way. So I guess I don’t really know for sure what the hell is going on with Trump. Bringing in John Bolton (neocon rat) sure was weird.

    Anyways on the psychopath thing – I guess I’m confused by the sentiment here. Nobody is all that clear about how they see it here (other than there be a lot of ‘psycho-liking’). But exactly why the liking seems to be the unanswered question (discounting the Kevin Dutton crap which is worthless) – so I am left with the impression that the consensus among many here is that adopting the redpill path has something to do with psychopathy – for reasons (reasons which are not well expressed, except maybe because ‘the psycho schtick’ seems to make girl’s panties wet). But how is everybody so sure that is what is actually going on, in the female mind? That there is this particular connection: Psycho-killer chaos = dominance display = wet panties. Because maybe it is like this: Fearless guy (which is definitely not the psychos – you got to experience this up-close for yourself to know these facts though – psychos are actually pussies) by way of exercising courage (consistently facing and dealing with one’s fears, which is definitely not psychos) = natural dominant hierarchy ascendancy – mainly by way of the deference of others = wet panties, and the psycho-killer-chaos-dominance-display actually being a false positive (which the girl in question is gonna haveta figure out on her own, the hard way, in the fullness of time – however very often she ends up knowing she be in a bad way, but still doesn’t get out, because she be obsessed, by way of gas-lighting and other similar manipulations).

    Blax – you got an opinion on all this?

  38. If I tell

    … Fuck authority and cash the check.😁😁😁

    You don’t know the whole story , judging by your half cocked description. Get the details.

    Fuckers that think like you and go off like the most ardent feminist are part of the problem.

    Entitled indeed.

    G’night.

  39. And if , so me a favor, stop pontificating about ” the black community “. You don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

    2 men ( you remember ken, right ) sitting in Starbucks ( 2 real estate agents at that ) waiting for this friend so they can order together. Ask to use bathroom, denied because they haven’t bought anything. So they sit back down.And continue to wait for said friend. No yelling. No screaming.

    Police are called. Still, no disruptive behavior at all. Police ARREST the 2 men. As they are led out by cops, friend shows up and is like ” wtf happened?? “.

    Now, why the fuck don’t you know the details? Why haven’t you seen the ” white people ” who were in the Starbucks way that the guys did nothing wrong? Be honest, why the fuck do you automatically make all of these negative and wrong assumptions?

    What is wrong with you?? ( that’s a rhetorical question. You and I both know what’s up ).

    Lol. Keep following the story man. You desperately need to be informed. I’m glad you’re not a cop. Too many assuming motherfuckers out there already.

    Out again.

  40. @Lost and Sun

    In one case the natural often pays for his top notch girls. In other cases it’s MILFs and girls who I would not regard as my target.

    In the other case the guy is a quasi celebrity but he does know how to charm.

    When I dissect his game it’s overwhelm and disarm. He throws everything he has at these girls and at times Is alpha and there times he is so beta and insecure it’s cringe worthy… he also doesn’t calibrate so he goes after girls who are not appropriate because they are his hosts for gigs. They love it but then feel awkward after and want to distance themselves from him either at a personal or a professional level so he ends up shooting him self in the foot.

    Think my own game is high risk high reward. But it’s calibrated: I don’t game girls I work with… I avoid the milfs and older easy ones in my social circle preferrring to game younger hotter and tighter. When it works it is text book. I have a good success rate but things still feel awkward: rejection, flakes, blowouts… I see the naturals not caring at all because they are so oblivious to how they appear.

  41. I’ve had a pretty good run as a natural for the last 25 odd years. Looking back i did best when just teasing the girls i liked, laying the kino on them and going from there. I really didn’t think about it too much. When we start to over analyse our interactions with women we can end up tripping ourselves up. In my experience, one needs to be genuinely quietly confident in themselves, cheeky and bold with the objects of one’s desire. To a natural you know pretty quickly if you’ll fuck her which is what happened to me once again at the party i attended recently. I really only knew my friend whose 50th it was, but i walked in smiling and confident, greeting strangers and exuding genuine charm, even though i hadn’t been to that house before. She looked up and at me as i arrived and even though she didn’t smile, i felt fairly confident that i would nail her, which i did the next night. It was quite a sausage fest with very few single women, but the old foxes charm cut through and she was in my swag the next night for some passionate sex. In the morning she up & went to work, leaving her knickers as a gift…

  42. @ Blaximus

    LOL – Had to do it. After you bashed Scrib for being reactionary to your comments. There you go all Whoppi Goldberg…

    @ All

    Here’s the joke. Full cut and paste with not a word changed from a youtube video published by Brandon Tatum, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoUv-qSi9yk (He claims to be a black man–but what do I know.)

    G’morning and smile. You’re on candid camera.

  43. “For some strange reason they always tended to use my sons bathroom and thinking about it all of them left at least one pair or toothbrush of hair clip or something, often hidden out of the way.

    Mate guarding / territorial I reckon.”

    Or just fucking gross. They left their used underwear and toothbrushes in your son’s bathroom? Seriously What. The. Fuck.

  44. Welcome back, palma.

    Yes, they do deliberately leave knickers etc laying around. I also think it’s a territorial mate-guarding thing. It’s not the first time this has happened, and won’t be the last. I find it very amusing. Just gotta love those girls. Lacey alpha trophies…

    Yes, i’m also finding the mudslinging counter-productive and rather boring. I just don’t have the energy or desire to argue hard with anyone these days, and usually find it easy to avoid such situations. Now some here might think i’m a bit of a pussy with this philosophy, but i just don’t feel i have anything to prove to anyone anymore but myself. For example, no-one will judge my music as critically as i do, so why worry about the opinions of others. What would they know? But that doesn’t mean i’m not open to learning from others whom i respect who know more than me about whatever subject. Down Under we tend to “hang a bit of shit” on our mates, but it’s usually in jest, taking the piss as the English say. It’s just easier to let things go and go with the flow…unless you’ve been seriously wronged, of course, which i find rarely happens…

  45. “Now some here might think i’m a bit of a pussy with this philosophy, but i just don’t feel i have anything to prove to anyone anymore but myself. ”

    What do you have to prove to yourself, yet?

  46. Anon. Fox

    “The ex wife confronted me with a pair once when she collected my son and used the toilet.. lol”

    Anon this is why they do it.

  47. I don’t find the mudslinging quite as counter-productive as it might seem. And if it is boring it’s just part of the ebb and flow of discussion and filling a void.

    The reason that I don’t find it is counter-productive is that what is going on here is part and parcel of tribal Groupthink. A concept described by Irving Janis, a research psychologist, and generally regarded as potentially bad. (Group-think is what is going on in the back and forth that Blaximus vs. ASD re: race issues. And what I’m debating with WildMan, my side being pro-redpill, him fighting redpill and arguing for egalitarian equalism without traction.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

    Whereas groupthink can lead to bad outcomes like the 1983 Challenger shuttle disaster with NASA because of poo-pooing the bad O-rings and blowing up in NASA’s face with a few human casualties, it can also lead to advances in though in the Red Pill and PUA and Game arena.

    Like minded information can be informative and collaborative.

    It depends on what tribe you are in. Or want to be in. Or want to be alone with your thoughts.

    It depends on the cause and the rationality of the debate.

    I don’t think it’s bad to adhere to a Red Pill script in times of confusion or delusion when it comes to discussing masculine inter-sexual dynamics. Because the Red Pill has been show to work as a praxeology (what works, what has been demonstrated to work).

    Wild Man advancing circular vaporware conclusions or statements that does not logically follow from the previous arguments or statements in regards to getting laid requires some push back from a tribe of like minded individuals. YaReally’s push for the care, cultivation and breeding of children in a free form manner in the Great Debate of 2016 called for some pushback. It just wasn’t logical from the facts or intuitions at hand.

    It’s the nature of tribes. It’s the nature of in-group altruism and out-group malice. It’s practice for when the SJW’s come forward to call out The Red Pill Tribe. It’s not all bad, it’s purposeful for a certain mission.

    You don’t have to join any certain tribe. But you have the opportunity to do so. If you do, sometimes you want to resonate with that tribe and not go all Rugby (blue pill idealism) or YaReally like (Anti-OMG abstractions, concrete ideas or bust..) on that tribe.

    Yes there is Groupthink going on. It’s not bad.

  48. @ Sentient …. was tidying up my apartment recently and found a halter top wedged between the cushions…no clue who’s it was or how long it had been there…

  49. Eh

    Handle derived from my fave movie of 2000. It’s a personalization of Russel crowes character. My sisters started calling me ” Blaximus ” and I thought it kinda catchy so since 2000 it’s been my online alter ego.

  50. Sjf

    There might be a component of groupthink at play. I also think there is a semi battle of narratives at work as well.

    Last month, the ” group ” of men I work with mentoring youth, had to rent out a larger facility because the number of young men and a few women that attend has been almost dumpster month.

    What’s being offered that resonates is a narrative that counters the more false one. Young kids know there’s something wrong, but they don’t understand exactly what’s driving it, so they can’t counter it effectively.

    At the last gathering, we had 2 dozen officers from surrounding cities and towns attend ( and I’m grateful they did so ), along with a contingent of state and local district attorneys, prosecutors, judges and an ever growing number of young lawyers. Last month’s attendance grew from 750 to over a thousand, and it’s projected to almost double as youth organizations from across the river in NYC are slated to start attending.

    My portion of speaking time ( 30 quick minutes ) in the last meeting focused on ” perceptions and charges “. The disparity in charges filed as ” felonies ” is something the youth will need to be made aware of, and something d.a.’s need to consider. There are no ” fairness ” mechanisms, so You and I could commit the same infraction, and one of us might be charged with ” the felony ” simply because the law allows it, and maybe because more felony convictions are more impressive.

    Upthread if I fell linked a video by a fairly notorious ( yes if, we know who he is…) Ex police officer who takes up the causes and positions of ” the right ” , whatever those positions might be. A few of his YouTube videos have been played to the crowd at our gatherings, along with others, to outline the ” narrative ” that is quite popular. Lol, even a few judges has to shake their heads.

    So regarding this.scenario and Groupthink, it’s not groupthink get because neither side is really operating from real facts, although the ” data ” would suggest otherwise. Younger kids need to pay attention tongue story that’s being told and accepted, and focus on changing that Johnny focusing on the fickle masses with no skin in the game, but by using the law/lawyers, and unrelenting pressure on police brass, d,.a.’s, prosecutors, judges and state and local politicians.

    Vote. Ignore the rhetoric concerning your exercising of your right to representation.

    It’s never about changing what individuals think or believe. It’s about stopping the worst of that thought from being reflected in police action, applications of law.

    My daughter invited Corey Booker to the next meeting. Corey and I have issues, but he’s welcome as long as he can be sincere.

    So groupthink??? Well… Yeah, if you tilt your head and squint. It’s just lopsided as fuck.😁

  51. Fuck.

    Above, not ” dumpster , ” but ” doubled , “.

    That’s IT!!!! I’m removing this goddamn spellchecker today.

  52. Wala anon fox

    was tidying up my apartment recently and found a halter top wedged between the cushions…

    Other forms of marking territory – lipstick, perfume, hair…

  53. @ Blaximus,

    O.k.

    This isn’t an attack, more at a thought.

    It’s well, confusing, for men to respect you for one authentic, earned, learned part of your life then they’re left wondering why you’re attached and defend a something which you had no choice, IMHO, is irrelevant.

    Your sisters coined a name for you based on race too. I’d like to think of you beyond race but you name places it front and center. That sensitizes me to your race and I ask myself then, should I, too, be sensitive to your race, shall I, too, evaluate you based on your unearned characteristics?

    I watched the rolling race fights at Fort Bragg in the early 90’s. Soldiers, during the day were my friends, I thought, squaring off based on race. I was figuratively just out of the neighborhood pool when I was cast into that. I didn’t need to take sides as no one asked and there was a culture on both sides ready to.

    IMO, racism, like feminsm, keeps people distracted on improving themselves. It doesn’t matter what side your on, as long as you pick a side and get involved, TPTB remain ensconced.

    As you said upthread, fuck authority and cash the check.

  54. Eh

    Duly noted.

    I can’t speak for others in different generations,nor different locales, but as I alluded to earlier, my ” race ” has been front and center, directly or indirectly, a majority of my 56 years.

    So, so I runaway and disavow ( doesn’t work )? Or do I sack up?

    The problem in America is based on denial of there being a problem wrt to attitudes and actions that are manifest, and the anger and misunderstanding that flows from that on all sides.

    Not gonna change during my life. Lots of smart people can’t Jonathon these things, so it becomes a joke to them, or a cause to fight against out of fear and loathing. Again, no problem unless that shit creeps into institutions. Which, traditionally, it has.

  55. Oh hats off to Blax’s description of dangerous characters, bars.

    I was at an open air drinking venue. Lively, people dining too.

    Three guys show up position themselves backs on wall, staring ahead, brooding like. Didn’t buy drinks, weren’t talking, nor walking, socializing. I’m not sure if they were looking for attention but they got it.

    I picked up on their intentions and in 5″ a bouncer was taking to them too. Brought one of the three to the bar, asked them where they were from, and upbeat, essentially told him buy drinks or leave, he bought drinks but wasn’t chill about it. He went back to his friends and in 5″ they left.

  56. Blax

    As I’m sitting in a ladder stand at my farm for better cell reception I’ll be brief.

    I’m pre-emptively advocating for tribal red pill group think of the TRM brand of Rollo against specifically the drivel of Wildman.

    Thumbs up to you for helping youg men in your Venn Diagram tribe. I hate when my son gets charged with felonies too.

  57. This “brotherhood of man” is just another card in the Equalist deck. It’s never worked before, isn’t now and won’t in the future. To pursue this thinking puts you firmly in their grasp. Culture is one thing, tribalism another and race always race at the end of the day.

    Blax, you reinforce your black identitarianism each time you post. And that in itself is not a criticism.

  58. 😁

    Know wut?

    Here we have been, in this very series of give’n’takes, been (through living it) demonstrating the real-world application of what Rollo just wrote about.

    Dudes that’s like — wayyyy awesome!

  59. change your handle, be the change you want to see in the world.

    Or just own it outright. No shame in that.

  60. I don’t think I’ve ever experienced shame.😀 No reason to.

    I’ll stick with my handle, as I like it and it’s suited me for 18 years now.

  61. Turned 30 at 3am this morning
    Meet this girl yesterday at a music venue for heroin awareness and the huge death toll in today’s culture and climate of escapism
    She had two kids and her husband was in the marines… Always tend to approach girls / women who have story’s written on their body’s.
    Not sure if i just enjoy the approach and complete immersion into reality. But i was great reaching out and holding her hand having her say “Hi am Amber”.
    I also heard music in a wooding music hall so the audible’s where incredible. Not sure i would ever call myself mgtow but being around couples who have aged with each other for decades has an impact on me. The calming serene voices of the choir.

    The conductors who where well into their 80’s encompassing the souls of that once was and all that is lost.

    My sponsor has a girl and i was out yesterday with him talking about life and the Irony of holding on to thing’s your afraid to lose.
    Alas
    Heres a project from goldmund
    https://kck.st/2JSdeLj
    Spiritual account of being in the world but not as the world
    https://bit.ly/2HIdlIG
    A life of love and gratiude
    https://bit.ly/2EXBQP7

  62. Brotherhood of man…well if you’re taking serve the common good…nah.

    TRM works as it reinforces truths irrespective race, creed…that’s a brotherhood. Unplug those willing, others, no.

    At least tribe has some philosophical underpinnings. Parents, siblings not so much nowadays. I’m not Pollyanna, just practical. I need all the friends I can get.

  63. @Wildman

    I don’t want you to shut up, I want you to go away and stop clogging the commentary with your incessant bullshit.

    It’s not that I’m afraid of what you’re saying… I’m tired and bored with it. It adds zero value to the mission here.

    As EhIntellect stated, nobody here takes you seriously. At first, folks here ‘suspended disbelief’ and engaged with you because it’s Rollo’s mission to help fellow seekers of truth and we’re just doing our best to carry it forward.

    Fortunately, it didn’t take long to figure you out. You’re not seeking, you’re selling the same failed egalitarian equalist paradigm crap that chewed up and spit out men who come here looking for insight. Protip… you can’t sell a paradigm to men who have already, first-hand, been irrecoverably damaged by it.

    You come here under the guise of thoughtful debate, when it’s clear that is not your agenda.

    So, while I give you points for your tenacity, we’re not buying what you’re selling, and we never will. It’s not reality based and we don’t abide by it. Time for you to go somewhere else.

    Is that clear enough for you?

  64. @ Blax

    “So, so I runaway and disavow ( doesn’t work )? Or do I sack up?”

    Those are choices but extremes and you’re not an extremist as much as I can tell.

  65. I’m removing this goddamn spellchecker today.

    But it’s part of the smartitude of your smart device. Removing it will dumb that thing down, forcing you to use your brain instead. That’s got to be a step backwards technologically, because all the cool kidz have as many apps as a device can run. Eye no you care about that so much.

    Speelczech is overrated on anything that is less than one page anyway, so for comments & texts & even email it’s just computational overhead. Sure, I use it on multi-page documents where accuracy matters but mine own dictionary is what counts; Microsoft and other company dictionaries just get in my way.

    Who is in charge of my text, me or some generic app coded up by someone with too much time on his hands?

  66. “. . . forcing you to use your brain instead.”

    Noooooooo! Anything but that. Or Detroit.

    ” . . . all the cool kidz have as many apps as a device can run.”

    Primus: I use something called “cognition.”
    Secunda: Is that on the Google Play store?

  67. @ Sentient

    ” change your handle, be the change you want to see in the world.”

    Bruh…

    This actually made me think a little. just the one sentence above.

    Thanks.

    I’m not the ” change the world ” guy. That’s why I resonate with the red pill.

    I’m the ” see the world exactly for what it is ” guy. I’m the ” know history, kill lies ” guy. I’m the ” unplug from the matrix, in all of it’s forms ” guy. that Matrix… it’s comfy and safe feeling, but at what cost and sense of reality?

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gL0xQHI0wo&w=854&h=480%5D

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF2iImTqaTs&w=854&h=480%5D

    I’d wager that a shitload of folks missed the broader message in the Movie The Matrix. It fit’s red pill sexual dynamics perfectly, yet…. there is more than 1 red pill.

  68. @ AR

    Lol. But this new version of spellchecker is making me sound more retarded than usual. I mean, jesus – I typed in ” doubled ” and spellfucker changed it to ” dumpster “. Wtf???

    I’d rather use my brain and eyeballs.

  69. Chump No More – your comment – “You’re not seeking, you’re selling the same failed egalitarian equalist paradigm crap that chewed up and spit out men who come here looking for insight”.

    Yes, I am seeking, but yes at the same time, I do have a particular redpill point of view which nevertheless doesn’t marry-up with the consensus among the commenters here. So you could say I am selling a different redpill point of view. All the better to move forward – by way of comparing the differences in the points of view to see what is what.

    I broke down the ‘egalitarian equalist’ rhetoric upstream. I am not an equalist. Egalitarian – yes – if you go back to the original meaning of it: egalitarian => merit-system – like I spelled out upstream. Why don’t you think that has any value? – no one ever says why they think it has no value. Either silence, or others just say it is BS, without saying why it is BS, and therefore apparently that means it’s best to dismiss me as a pain is the ass. That be weak. Why is this place called ‘The Rational Male’ if rational debate isn’t on?

    On the ‘psycho-liking’ here. Why? Because ‘the psycho schtick’ seems to make girl’s panties wet? You all sure you got that right though? Because it doesn’t really make sense does it? – because if women preponderantly chose that way, then, by way of sexual selection, all men would be psychos by now (instead of perhaps the 5% that fit the description). So what gives? Maybe you got it wrong? So then what is the more accurate way to describe the actualities?

  70. But this new version of spellchecker is making me sound more retarded than usual. I mean, jesus – I typed in ” doubled ” and spellfucker changed it to ” dumpster “. Wtf???

    It’s because The Man wants you to look that way. Rigged spellchecker, on orders from the New World Odor and coded by Russian hackerz for devices in the Grater NY Area. Part of the bigger plan Gotta be a conspiracy, because the alternative where phone / tablet apps are written by low-bid untrained seal programmers with minimal clues? Nah, is just too complicated.

    Occam’s machete, gnonem I’m sayin?

  71. Wildman is schizophrenic. Literally.

    He’s battling voices in his head and paranoia.

    Responding to him logically is fruitless.

  72. JT
    Here we have been, in this very series of give’n’takes, been (through living it) demonstrating the real-world application of what Rollo just wrote about.

    It really is a case of acta and verba, isn’t it?

    stimulus. response.

  73. See – there it is again. Eh saying my point of view is BS, without engaging and indicating why he thinks it is BS, and the concluding that I should be dismissed as one form of an another of ‘pain in the ass’. Like I said that be weak. Eh – you in particular are weak.

    Eh – I will ask again, so it doesn’t escape you yet again that what you are doing is very weak, – engage somewhere here:

    “On the ‘psycho-liking’ here. Why? Because ‘the psycho schtick’ seems to make girl’s panties wet? You all sure you got that right though? Because it doesn’t really make sense does it? – because if women preponderantly chose that way, then, by way of sexual selection, all men would be psychos by now (instead of perhaps the 5% that fit the description). So what gives? Maybe you got it wrong? So then what is the more accurate way to describe the actualities?”

    Or, if I am misrepresenting you as a ‘psycho-liking’ guy, then please indicate that finally. It isn’t like I haven’t already asked you that. Where do you stand buddy? Come’on – show some strength of character for a change.

  74. Wild Person
    egalitarian => merit-system – like I spelled out upstream.

    In your opinion, should a tranny be allowed to run a marathon as a woman?
    Use all the words you need.

  75. @Wild Man

    “Egalitarian – yes – if you go back to the original meaning of it: egalitarian => merit-system – like I spelled out upstream. Why don’t you think that has any value? – no one ever says why they think it has no value.”

    The old order social contract has been torn apart. Read the article about the Old books, it’s in the search bar.

    It has no value because it’s an appeal to male reason that immediately makes a given man subject to an arbitrary set of rules of engagement that will ultimately be determined by a woman or by a third party. Hence, what sounded like a good idea at the time(to men who don’t know any better; read; YOU), amounts to nothing but a net loss. Nothing is reasonable about it, since it brings about loss to the male. It amounts to a threat. “You’re cheating at this game that’s supposed to be fair(for me, hehe), and I’ma tell on you.” Whether any rules are unfair to the man becomes secondary to the man’s expectation to play his assigned role.

    Women(And men for that matter) do not appeal to reason or your “human” side unless they are desperate to get you to behave in ways they can predict and have a ready flowchart of actions to take in response to(none of which leave you at any advantage). That’s what your stated position ultimately sounds like.

    It’s a form of Psychological Manipulation. One that women sometimes use to shake a Beta tell loose from you, getting you to marginalize your sexuality either early on or later on(depending on whether you REALLY get this shit or not) to try to get you to play the game in a way that primarily benefits her(or if she gets tired of you always winning, women are pretty petty sometimes). Not that any of this is bad. It’s natural. But nobody with basic reasoning and critical thinking skills need fall for it or fear it as a detestable eventuality(It’s quite amusing to counter it actually). They can’t write laws against the counter-measures.

    Which leaves your stated position in the same category of ideas.

    It’s not that your position has no value, it just doesn’t have the value that you want it to have. No offence but that’s the great lament of the Beta.

  76. AR – If I recall I already played this game with you (if I recall it was about who is and who is not a ‘cunt’). I did enjoy that game. But, be it noted, you are playing a game. So – what the heck – I will play all long, again.

    “In your opinion, should a tranny be allowed to run a marathon as a woman?”

    Dickless/ball-less tranny or dicked/balled tranny (and is there any difference)?

  77. @all

    He’s battling voices in his head and paranoia and…delusions of grandeur:

    “People with a delusion of grandeur often have the conviction of having some great but unrecognized talent or insight. They may also believe they have made some important discovery that others don’t understand or appreciate.”

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