Instinct, Emotion and Reason

Before I dig in here today I want to give credit where it’s due. I was inspired to consider what I’m about to go into here by a quick-hit Tweet from Illimitable Man. I didn’t bookmark it so I apologize for not linking it here today, but the general gist of it was about the mental processes humans go through when we’re presented with environmental stimuli that demands interpretation and a behavioral response. I considered this process quite a bit while I was studying behavioral psychology – Instinct, Emotion and Reason (or rationality if you prefer) – and I’m almost embarrassed that I haven’t covered this in terms of a Red Pill perspective in over 600 essays now.

The idea is fairly simple; when we are prompted by environmental (and sometimes internal) stimuli human beings process this information using three psychological mechanisms – our primal instincts, our emotional interpretations and our rational (reason) facilities. I’m not sure these processes get their proper due in Red Pill theory today.  I’ve detailed all of these processes individually for years on this blog, but generally they were outlined in the context of whatever topic I was focusing on. In this essay I’m going to elaborate on these aspects individually. Later, as part of this series, I’ll explore how they act in concert for our overall cognitive process, and then how they influence intersexual and intersocial dynamics. I think this is a useful exercise because a lot of foundational Red Pill ideas stem from these processes as well as the social conventions and interpretive priorities the Feminine Imperative relies on today.

For sake of clarity I am going to use a few behavioral psych terms like stimuli in this essay. This isn’t to throw $10 words at you, it’s just easier to elaborate on these processes with abstract terms. For example, when I use stimuli I mean any physical, environmental or cognitive prompt that our conscious or unconscious mind demands an interpretation, processing of and response to. That can be a wide variety of things so, stimuli serves as a general term.

Lastly, the following here is my interpretation of these processes. While a lot of this will align pretty well with established theories, this is my take on them and not some official, settled science of facts. If you think I’m full of shit please tell me why, this is still a work in progress for me.

Instinct

Instinct seems like the easiest of these processes to understand, but it’s really the cognitive aspect that’s most misunderstood, marginalized and often demonized. The reason for this is because our instincts reside in our subconscious (hindbrain) processing of stimuli. When I refer to men or women’s evolved mental firmware in my essays it’s our instinctual process that I’m referring to. These are the unlearned, inborn aspects of our human nature that influence the other processes and remain largely in our subconscious. Our instinctual processing is a direct result of our evolution. It evolved as a vitally necessary aspect of our cognitive processing in that it aided in our ability to survive in, and adapt to, a chaotic, primal environment when food was scarce, predators and rivals wanted us dead, and reproductive opportunities and raising a child to a survivable age were at a premium.

There are a lot of examples of our instinct level processing and each instinctual response triggers more complex processing up the cognitive chain through emotion and reason. If we were presented with a dangerous stimuli (a sabertooth tiger) our instinctual process triggers a fight or flight response physically in our bodies (adrenaline release). Needless to say this was an evolved adaptation that served our species well and was passed along genetically as part of our mental firmware. I’m going to use some simplistic examples here but, if you really want to dig into our preloaded mental firmware and how we developed it I would suggest looking into the earlier works of Dr. Steven Pinker and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley (I’ll post links in the comments).

Another example is human beings’ innate fear (reservations at least) of snakes and spiders – poisonous animals that looked easy to kill, but could kill humans without warning. That’s an example of relatively beneficial firmware, but the reason instinct gets a bad rep is due to the instincts that once were beneficial to us individually, but are less beneficial to us socially. Greed and gluttony were very practical, instinctually motivated behaviors that stemmed from a need to survive in a time when resources were scarce. Today greed is (mostly) seen as anti-social and a compulsion to overeat in a time when food is abundant is why we presently have an obesity epidemic.

Those are easily understood examples, but where things get more complex is in how our instinctual process influences the other processes (emotion and reason). Instinct gets demonized because in our ‘enlightened‘ era we like to believe that instinct is more trouble than it is beneficial. Most of that is due to a belief that our other processes are superior to (or at least should supersede) our instincts. Most of what we call sin or immoral behavior is motivated by the instinctual process. In fact, the only time our instinctual awareness and reactions are really credited with anything positive is when it gets us out of some life threatening situation or it leads to some prosocial outcome. For instance, the male instinct to protect women by putting ourselves between them and danger; that’s an instinct and resultant behavior (seemingly altruistic male self-sacrifice) that gets a lot of praise in our feminine-primary social order. However, for the most part, we tend to judge ‘baser instincts’ as a net negative.

The truth about the instinctual process is that none of our other processes function at full efficiency without it. Today, as a result of our feminine-primary acculturation, we want to relegate instinct’s influence to something “we’ve evolved beyond”. The popular consensus is we’ve raised ourselves above base instincts by either acknowledging the importance of the emotional process or that rationality and the self-control based on it immunizes us from its influence. Not only are these belief foolish and hubristic, they’re provably untrue. When it comes to concepts like the ‘selfish gene‘ and the physical differences in the evolved instinctual processes of men and women, it becomes necessary for a social order based on blank-slate equalism to demonize and marginalize the influence of, and behaviors attributed to, instinct.

The survival benefits and behaviors that make up the instinctual process were so necessary that they had to become part of our unconscious species firmware. Because the instinctual process is part of our animalistic hindbrain mental subroutines it’s something we have little or no direct control over until its effect is brought (often forced) into our conscious awareness. As such, and because we prefer to think of ourselves as emotional and rational beings, we tend to think of the influence of instinct as something we either have or need to have mastery over, and to a large extent this mastery makes sense. The truth is that instinct is an aspect of ourselves that needs to be controlled as well as embraced depending on circumstances.

Emotion

From an evolutionary perspective, the emotional process of interpreting stimuli is a mechanism of how our brains and biochemistry interact to affect our moods, demeanor and ’emotionality’ in response to both instinctual cues and the raw information of stimuli itself. Furthermore, the emotional process can also be influenced and/or modified by the rational process. I’m trying to be concise here, but our emotional response to information/stimuli is very much an evolved dynamic with latent purposes and practical functionalities. I’m making this distinction here because for millennia we’ve raised the effects of emotion to a mythical, metaphysical, importance.

While emotion often has immediate effects on us, emotion also has long term effect with regard to the stimuli it processes. There are dozens of definitions of emotions and there’s no way I’m going to lay them all out for you here. However, popular psychology asserts that there are as many as ten and as few as six base emotions:

  • Anger.
  • Disgust.
  • Fear.
  • Happiness.
  • Sadness.
  • Surprise.

Sometimes Contempt is added to this list. If these seem overly simplistic they are, again, abstracts to build more complex emotions on (some paleo-researchers insist there are only four base emotions across our evolved ethno-histories). For our purposes these base emotions will serve to show the connections between the instinctual process which prompts them and the rational process that modifies and sometimes informs them.

Each of these emotional responses is prompted by how our senses, brain and then instinctual process interprets a stimuli. Again, using our sabertooth tiger example, the instinctual process determines imminent danger and triggers a synaptic and hormonal response to that danger. As a result of that instinctual process an emotional process and response is triggered – likely fear (flight in most cases), but sometimes anger (fight).

Another example: you see an arousing woman (stimuli) at a party who is displaying behavioral cues and environmental indicators of interest (IOIs). Your instinctual process determines a high potential for a reproductive opportunity. From there the emotional process kicks in: hormones and dopamine (and not a small testosterone spike) that your instinctual process triggered flushes your system and serves as the basis for your emotional process to form an emotional response to the same stimuli. If it all passes the smell test that response (hopefully) will be happiness (and a little surprise mixed in).

There is a visceral biochemical interrelation between emotion and the stimuli/instinct relation that prompts the reaction. Adrenaline is one easy example, another is oxytocin or the “love hormone”. This is a bit of a mischaracterization of the hormone. Oxytocin induces feelings of trust and comfort and is thought to be a significant factor in human’s forming pair bonds and parental investments. There’s a lot more to oxytocin’s implications to our evolution than that, but for now lets look at how our biology influences the emotional process.

We proceed from stimuli to an instinctual response. If there is nothing mitigating that response (such as a rationally learned buffer to mitigate it) the next step in the chain is a biological reaction to that instinct – such as dumping adrenaline into our bloodstream or a post-orgasm flush of oxytocin after sex. From there the emotional process picks up the interpretation of this information as prompted by the cocktail of chemicals moving through our bloodstream and affecting our mental and physical interpretation of that stimuli. That biochemical factor prompts one, or a combination, of the base emotions listed above.

From there more complex emotions (feelings) and combinations thereof begin to form an emotional interpretation and response. This emotional response can be anything from a fast, reflexive one to a more nuanced and contemplative one. Furthermore, this emotional interpretation and response can also be modified by our rational mental process as well as our gendered capacity to process emotions. One thing to bear in mind about our emotional process is that it can imprint its interpretations into our ‘hard memory’ – sometimes so significantly that the memory of that stimuli can re-trigger that physical and emotional response.

Gender-modified interpretation of our emotion process is an important aspect to consider in Red Pill praxeology and one I’ll be elaborating on in the next part of this series. Until recently the accepted ‘science‘ about our emotional process has been based on a blank-slate equalist approach to emotion. In fact we still suffer from the outdated presumptions of academia that both men and women process emotion in the same manner, and, in theory, ought to be expected to have an equal capacity to interpret, respond and express emotion. In light of new technology and new research in a variety of interrelated disciplines we know this is old presumption is patently untrue. Men and women have different mental hardware and are born with different mental firmware. Both sexes interpret and process emotion in gender-specific manners.

I’ll be getting into the personal and social implications that the legacy of this (deliberate) misunderstanding presents in the next essay. For now it’s important to consider that human beings have an innate predisposition to elevate the emotional process above instinct and reason. Likely this is due the to the survival dependency we had on our feelings in our evolutionary past. In a time when we lacked the greater rational facilities and information we’ve developed in our more recent past, depending on and learning from emotion, and the latent purposes it serves, was a species-beneficial system. We depended on our emotions to guide our behaviors (long and short term) for us more in our prehistory when we lacked the more developed rational process we take for granted now. Emotions served latent evolutionary purposes for us in our prehistory and today are still overly emphasized – often to metaphysical attributes – as superior to reason. More on this soon.

Reason

The final piece of our interpretive process is reason, or rationality (I’ll use these interchangeably). Ironically, for all of the social preconceptions that our emotions have made us “more evolved” above instinct, it is our rational process that has evolved us above both instinct and emotion. From and evolutionary standpoint our rational process is a relatively recent development; pushing us past the limitations of instinct and emotion. The definition of rationality is the quality of being based on or in accordance with reason or logic. It is the quality of being able to think sensibly or logically and being endowed with the capacity to reason.

Biologically it’s postulated that our larger brains allowed us to develop a capacity for reason, but that doesn’t mean other animals lack the same facility, it’s just that the rational process is less developed (some would say less environmentally necessary) in those animals by order of degree. Dogs, for example, rely primarily on the instinctual process and the mental (vestigial) firmware they’re born with to solve most of their existential/environmental problems. That doesn’t mean that they lack the ability to learn and form novel (adaptive) behaviors using a rudimentary form of logic. Animals can be taught things, but their capacity to form novel ideas and behaviors is limited to their cognitive abilities. Humans, being the apex species on the planet, had the leisure to take the time necessary to evolve a capacity for logic and as such the rational process developed in us.

Of all our interpretive processes reason is the one that takes the longest to function. Our rational process forms our interpretation of stimuli based on information dissociated from the interpretations of instinct and emotion. Reason requires (accurate) knowledge derived from learning and experience, but there is also an improvisational element to the process.

Before I get too far in the weeds here I need to make a distinction; what I’m outlining is the rational mental process we employ to interpret and interact with stimuli, not rationality, the concept of reason or rationalism. That’s important because it’s all too easy to get lost in philosophical implications of reason when we look at the process of how we come to it.

As mentioned above, the rational process modifies the instinctual and emotional processes. Example, in high school, in drivers ed class, we’re taught to turn into a skid rather than turn with the skid. When we’re driving and we find ourselves in a skid our instinctive impulse is to slam on the the breaks and/or, worse still, to turn with the skid. Our self-preservation instincts tells us to do this, but all it does is make a precarious situation worse. However, when we’re taught, and we practice, not hitting the brakes and not turning into the skid, we make this our default reaction and we avoid disaster. This is the rational process interpreting a stimuli and forming a novel behavior that modifies the interpretation of the instinctual process.

The limitation of the rational process is in its necessity to take time to interpret information and develop a new apparatus. Where instinct and emotion are intimately linked with our biological hardware and psychological firmware, the rational process is dissociated from them in the same immediacy. Instinct and emotion are processes that evolved from a survival-need for fast interpretation and reaction. The rational process requires time, repetition and the right biological structures to be effective. Human beings are remarkably fast learners (even with complex challenges), but the learning that the rational process leads to is slow in comparison to instinct and emotion – which are essentially preloaded firmware in humans.

The rational process deals with the nuts and bolts of what we can understand of our reality. From there it can modify the other processes or it can serve to interpret stimuli on its own.

In the next part of this series I’ll be exploring how these cognitive processes interact and cooperate and conflict with each other. I will also consider the gendered advantages and disadvantages these processes represent to our individual experiences as men and women and the influence they play in intersexual and intersocial dynamics.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@all

He’s battling voices in his head and paranoia and…delusions of grandeur:

“People with a delusion of grandeur often have the conviction of having some great but unrecognized talent or insight. They may also believe they have made some important discovery that others don’t understand or appreciate.”

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Wild Man, either / or.

Hint: Your “Merit-system” is in play.

stimulus.

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To be diagnosed with schizophrenia, a person must have two or more of the following symptoms occurring persistently in the context of reduced functioning:

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Negative symptoms

Delusions or hallucinations alone can often be enough to lead to a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Identifying it as early as possible greatly improves a person’s chances of managing the illness, reducing psychotic episodes, and recovering.

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@ SJF “It’s the nature of tribes. It’s the nature of in-group altruism and out-group malice. It’s practice for when the SJW’s come forward to call out The Red Pill Tribe. It’s not all bad, it’s purposeful for a certain mission. You don’t have to join any certain tribe. But you have the opportunity to do so. If you do, sometimes you want to resonate with that tribe and not go all Rugby (blue pill idealism) or YaReally like (Anti-OMG abstractions, concrete ideas or bust..) on that tribe. Yes there is Groupthink going on. It’s not bad…” Well written. You… Read more »

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“unless someone’s being a total arsehole”

Oh you charmer! Flattery gets you everywhere!

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AR – A tranny should run that marathon as a tranny. Won’t get much respect for a first place finish though, except among the trannies. If the tranny would like to have wider respect, then run against the men (in that eventuality maybe temporarily amp up the test to normal optimum levels if necessary – shouldn’t be a problem – aren’t the trannies already master of hormonal manipulation?) Still won’t win though – with the extra weight of their fake fun-bags and all. Maybe get those temporarily removed then. But wouldn’t that just make them a man again? Ahhh –… Read more »

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Yollo Comanche – your comment – “The old order social contract has been torn apart. Read the article about the Old books, it’s in the search bar.” The key then is, within the new social order, women must be held accountable for the consequences of the decisions they make around personal interactions. Not much of that is happening. Not something that is really even recommended here. That needs to change. How? Well let’s look at your further comment: “One that women sometimes use to shake a Beta tell loose from you, getting you to marginalize your sexuality either early on… Read more »

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There are only Male and Female. Occasionally someone is born with both sex organs, but even then they usually don’t both function properly. Guys can put on dresses and panties, and cut of dick and balls, and they are then disfigured men. Chicks can pump testosterone until they grow ZZ Top beards and 6 inch long clits, and they are still only disfigured women…. with crazy sex drives and deep voices. No hate intended. People can do whatever they like. But if I have feathers protruding from my asshole, it will never make me a bird. And I will not… Read more »

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Lol, This right here –

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Is Bruce Jenner with a name change, hormone therapy and probably some form of genital mutilation ( I didn’t care enough to get the details, so…)

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According to the organizers of the Boston Marathon, at the moment, there are men and women. Which you are is determined by whether you have an “M” or an “F” on your legal ID when you submit your entry, and that’s it.

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Beans for brains.

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AR – A tranny should run that marathon as a tranny.

Your blank-slate equalitarian “merit” removes that option.

Try again.

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‘Your blank-slate equalitarian “merit” removes that option.’

It’s actually ‘original meaning of egalitarian => merit -system’, ….. but in any event – why does the merit system remove the option of trannies requesting a new category of rankings of their own (which if they had any balls would be the most they would consider asking for), and the officials agreeing to that?

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@ SJF “Stop playing around the edges, my friends, start living. Be alive and stop dicking around. But penetrate the world by dicking around. And around, and around…” Right on, bro! I only got into motorbikes mid-40’s due to my “big brother” encouraging me, teaching me the basics once again on his old Ag bike (farmers style bike), then taking me on some very challenging bush track rides where my instinct just kicked in and i knew i just had to hold on & follow him through some very challenging terrain. I never knew i had it in me, but… Read more »

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Expect trannies to continue to compete as women, because of the blank-slate equalism of feminism. In anything not figure skating or maybe water ballet, expect trannies to eventually dominate all women’s athletics because of biology. Even a surgically mutilated 20 year old man overdosed with estrogen will have bigger lungs and more muscle strength than a woman, unless he started hormones before puberty. College women’s softball would be a logical place to see trannies in a few years, in the name of “inclusion”; better at fielding and harder hitting in the batter’s box, for a start. Teams that don’t have… Read more »

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The other “dicking around” i have been doing successfully for the past 25+ years…

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why does the merit system remove the option of trannies requesting a new category of rankings of their own

No such request has been made, nor will it be made, so this is moot.

Under your “original meaning of egalitarian => merit -system” should a tranny run a maration as a woman or not?

Use all the words you want.

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AR – yeah – like I said above the Boston Marathon officials – beans for brains (assuming U.S. government issued ID is gendered by way of what you yourself say you identify as, despite how you look, like here in Canada).

AR – are you confusing ‘blank-slate equalism’, or ‘blank-slate equalism of feminism’, or ‘blank-slate equalitarianism’ with ‘the original meaning of egalitarian => merit -system’?, ….. because they equalism stuff is a completely different thing than what I am promoting. I explained the differences upthread.

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“Under your “original meaning of egalitarian => merit -system” should a tranny run a maration as a woman or not? ”

No. Obviously. I only got wordy because I thought this was so obvious that you were instead after something more arcane. My bad.

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The original French coining of the word translates into English as “equalist.” Just what that meant was a matter of debate from the first second and people killed each other over the matter. There is a technical meaning of the word in anthropology, which arose circa a century after the coining, in which “egalitarian societies” are contrasted with “Clan Societies.” In a Clan Society your social status is determined by that of your family. It is a birthright (or perhaps a birthwrong if you’re an Untouchable). In an Egalitarian Society social status is earned by individual acts. It is a… Read more »

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People forget about the “ou la mort”, and exactly who that might apply to.

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@The Solitary Silver FoX Well, flattery will get you some comments by me. Because I had an odd solitary day out at my farm. It was a hoot because I picked up this energy drink before the 40 mile drive. And I didn’t eat anything all day except two pieces of beef jerky and a tiny hunk of cheese from the gas station on the way out. Totally fucking ketogenic all day. DESCRIPTION Make no Mistake – BANG® is not your stereotypical high sugar, life-sucking soda masquerading as an energy drink! High sugar drinks spike blood sugar producing metabolic mayhem… Read more »

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AR – look – when it comes to all this femcentric shite in the culture, I’m on Rollo’s side, same as pretty much everybody in the ‘man-o-sphere’ (wow that be a nerdy term – eh?). Maybe one difference though, I have with Rollo, is that that this isn’t just about ‘it’s the hypergamy – man’. There be powerful forces that are shaping the cultural narrative, and using the various peccadillos of human nature (like hypergamy for instance), to run soe interference, so as to better shape that narrative to their liking. Guess who? – it be the psychos who have… Read more »

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“There is a technical meaning of the word in anthropology, which arose circa a century after the coining, in which “egalitarian societies” are contrasted with “Clan Societies.” In a Clan Society your social status is determined by that of your family. It is a birthright (or perhaps a birthwrong if you’re an Untouchable). In an Egalitarian Society social status is earned by individual acts. It is a matter of personal merit.” This makes a ton more sense. I avoid wading into the Egalitarian equalist debates/discussions, because the way the words are being used doesn’t make a lot of sense to… Read more »

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Lol, I’m avoiding the psychopathy thing too, but I will give 1 opinion, just for the hell of it. I haven’t noticed men fawning over psychopathic behavior, but what (( I )) do understand, is that our society is becoming more and more enamored with varying degrees of displays of psychopathy. And it appears that women, for better or worse, are more affected by male displays. So it behooves a male to understand and develop his own level of psychopathy so he won’t find himself trampled under foot. Nobody says you have to ever go full pyscho, but you might… Read more »

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Lol, This right here –

Show some mercy dude. The most hideous images are the hardest to shake.

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@ AR re: Wildman

“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

― Mark Twain

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“The way egalitarian seems to be used in the sphere appears to be the exact opposite of what it’s supposed to mean.”

Blax – yes. I’ve been saying that for years now. Very frustrating. If you allow you enemies to usurp and mutilate your language – what do you have left? Personally, I think those in the man-o-sphere that go along with that mutilation of the original meaning should be shamed for that. It’s sorta like treason.

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” . . . the way the words are being used doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.” War is peace, Brother. The Orwellian machine has been grinding the language for some time and it is now nearly impossible to discuss politics because the terms have lost their meanings. Also, in an American context, the terms of the French Revolution “left wing” and “right wing” have never had any proper meaning. America had come down on the side of the “left” (republicanism and secularism) before the term was even coined and sent the “right” (monarchists and churchists) packing off… Read more »

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And, of course, Men/Women.

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“So it behooves a male to understand and develop his own level of psychopathy so he won’t find himself trampled under foot”

Blax – not quite right. More like this: It behooves a male to understand and develop his own level of masculine principles so he won’t find himself trampled underfoot by psychopaths, or worse, find himself falling down the slippery slope of those that end up joining thier ranks.

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“Under your “original meaning of egalitarian => merit -system” should a tranny run a maration as a woman or not? ”

No.

Why? Why not?

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AR – Why or why not? But you already gave the reason. Because it would not be fairplay then. For all the reasons you gave above @ 5:38 p.m.

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The socialists are looking at weaponizing #metoo against betas.

When employers know that they will have to pay for the harasser who grabs butts or whispers and texts lewd messages to co-workers, they will make sure he is gone and gone fast. In the world where #MeToo means strict liability, harassment policies and reporting mechanisms would be geared to prevent occurrence rather than circumvent complaints, to focus on “problem men” who harass rather than “problem women” who complain.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-legal-system-needs-to-catch-up-with-the-metoo-movement/

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On the job, women not on the receiving end of Alpha harrasment will claim harrasment out of envy and Alphas are at risk #too.

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Would they be wrong though?

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Upthread someone was talking about trannies playing on men’s teams. Someone needs to check the NJ Devils lockeroom…

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Conversely:

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@Wildman, some contextual definitions of egalitarian as used here. https://therationalmale.com/2017/08/08/the-feminine-imperative-in-corporate-culture/ “What made Damore a target wasn’t so much Google from a corporate sense, but rather the ‘progressive’ feminine-primary corporate culture that is endemic to Google. Once Damore had published his very well-thought op-ed about the fundamental biological, psychological and neurological differences between men and women, and how this affects innovation and employment in the tech industry, the intra-corporate witch hunt was on for the guy who anonymously posted. No doubt Google code monkeys would have little problem identifying and doxxing James, but where this witch hunt stemmed from was far… Read more »

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“Because it would not be fairplay then,,.

The Crux. The fucking Crux of your problem. Thank you for mentioning Fair Play. You dick.

Stop exposing yourself as such a dick.

Abject worthless drivel.

Life actually is not fair. You are not living in a fair life.

Your life sucks. You are just not willing to submit to that fact.

One step closer to the edge. You’re about to break.

Stop with your bullshit.

Lol. My indifference. My Dis-Agreeable-ness. Go home Wild man.

Don’t be such a snively jerk.

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palmasailor I helped my mom when i saw her come home with blood all over the place… Brought me back to being a child again. But something happened and still dont know what. Apparently she went to the bank and then started bleeding all over the place. She came back and their was blood everywhere. I approached in the bathroom and she gazed at me while i wasn’t sure what to do. It can be so brutal seening something like blood on someone you think is hurt who dosnt want your help. She is asleep at the moment but im… Read more »

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fairplay

A concept that is fading out even faster than the root culture it came from.

Unless that’s a South Park reference, then you’re just wrong.

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Rollo has stated more than once “Men are the true romantics” and that sure looks likely in Wild Person’s case.

But not just a romantic, a Romantic.

“All romantics reach the same place, someday,
Cynical and drunk,
And boring someone in some dark cafe’…

Here you go, Wild Person, from your fellow Canadian Joni Mitchell. From the 80’s when her voice was probably at its peak.

Go ahead, wallow in it. It’s Romantic!

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SJF – look – why do you got against me? You keep striking out at me, and mostly the vitriol is not attached to a cogent point. So its just unhinged vitriol. Why do I have you coming unhinged now and again that way? Look – we were talking about marathons and other sporting events. The idea behind sporting events is to make the game fair, so that winning will be roughly aligned with ability, skill, dedication, perseverance, real talent …. the winning mindset. That is why it is called a game or sporting event – to set it up… Read more »

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AR – nice. I did enjoy that. Thanks.

What we people gonna do? Gotta pick ourselves up and carry on …. and maybe find love again. It’s actually all around …. there for the taking. But you gotta pay your way – with the melancholy of love lost. Bittersweet it is.

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Eh😸😸😸

A mad recognises everybody mad who doesn’t get along with him.

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The fair game will return. It always does.

Marquees o Darwin rules.

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How is Marquis doing? Haven’t been cucked yet?

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I hate your comments Wild Man. They are for shit. No we weren’t talking about sports and fairness. There is nothing “fair” about inter-sexual sports. And just because you don’t fuck girls, maybe you shouldn’t have a voice in that game. Fairness doctrines? WTF? Out of meaninglessness? YGBFSM. Fairness isn’t in the doctrine. But that is your game: Fairness. Otherwise known as egalitarian equalism. Cant we just get along and be equal here? Give every male a female an equalist blank slat here? Not hardly, you dick. So I swerve from indifference to malevolence towards you. Can’t help it. Can’t.… Read more »

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Observation on reality and JP input
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Already on it

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Joni Mitchel had a very pretty voice. Still not bad. She always had excellent musicians backing her. The lyrics are catchy, they get under the skin. I used to enjoy her music, until I realized a truth:

Her songs are poison. Sweet, sweet, poison. Brimming with Blue Pill chumpiness.

What we people gonna do?

Kill your Beta before he kills you.

Gotta pick ourselves up and carry on …. and maybe find love again.

That way leads to making Luv your mission, self-blinding to reality.

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“That way leads to making Luv your mission, self-blinding to reality” Make love your mission? No – it doesn’t work that way. Like I said on an earlier thread here: “alot has to go right for genuine empathy to actually occur, in my estimation. ‘Love’, to me, is like a wish for boundary disintegration/penetration, yet respecting that personal boundary nevertheless. The most sublime high-wire act and the source of so much beauty in this world, though often so fleeting.” Though love is all around …. there for the taking – the precondition is the ‘wish’. You can’t will that. It… Read more »

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Joni Mitchel had a very pretty voice. Still not bad. She always had excellent musicians backing her. The lyrics are catchy, they get under the skin. I used to enjoy her music, until I realized a truth:

Her songs are poison. Sweet, sweet, poison. Brimming with Blue Pill chumpiness.

Isn’t it Ironic?

Recommending Joni Mitchell to Wild Man.

Turns out she had too many internal conflicts in her brain, probably stemming from what out to be, instead of what is.

She turned out bat shit crazy.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/its-time-to-stop-tiptoeing-around-joni-mitchells-health-condition/article23883495/

Go figure.

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@Wildman: Sorry to hear about your loss.

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@Wild Man

Bro. Love is pretty sweet without you fucking up your alpha presentation by pedestalizing it up front.

The only people in history who ever got to feel love the way it’s packaged today is wealthy European nobles, IF they never got ugly or unpopular along the way.

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I’m sorry for your loss Wild Man.

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Incubus_Rising – thank-you for your kind words. My son was the most wonderful person. So kind-hearted, yet stubborn – could not be pushed around – made up his own mind. But he gave me alot of advice. It was about the value in being kind. Not wishy washy or feely feely. Advice designed for my ears. Then …. he would leave it for a month and bring it up again, a bit more adamantly. Until sometime down the road – I would finally start to hear what he was saying. He was a person that knew about people. He knew… Read more »

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@Wildman – very nice Eulogy for your son, and maybe those things you said are an accurate description of his worthy purpose on this earth, which he fulfilled. God Bless you and your family, man.

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Blax, funny how you get defensive about socialism any time I post about it. But you’re a moderate. Righhhht.

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The key then is, within the new social order, women must be held accountable for the
consequences of the decisions they make around personal interactions.

The key, then, is to bell the cat.

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And you’re right, Jesus was a socialist, you can tell by his words: “What does it profit a man…?” “While they were listening to these things, Jesus went on to tell a parable, because He was near Jerusalem, and they supposed that the kingdom of God was going to appear immediately. So He said, “A nobleman went to a distant country to receive a kingdom for himself, and then return. “And he called ten of his slaves, and gave them ten minas and said to them, ‘Do business with this until I come back.’ But his citizens hated him and… Read more »

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Redpill is only a tool.

Vision is only a tool.

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Wildman
How are you doing at the moment?

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@Wildman: Thanks for sharing happy memories of your son.

Thoughts and prayers for you and your family.

Stay strong.

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@ Wildman

How would you have described your relationship between you and your son? No wrong answers.

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Condolences. When young life is lost, the search for meaning and answers intensifies. Explains much of your recent commentary.

Best wishes.

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I can imagine that it’s awful to have to bury your child. Condolences.

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Asd Not defensive. I don’t have any measurable skin in the ” socialist/communist/capitalist ” game. I only observe everything as a whole without the labels, because ” good and evil ” and ” right and wrong ” is readily apparent without qualifiers. Like,.believing in christ, calling oneself ” Christian “, attending church, yet not following the teachings and ideals of the one claimed as ” savior “. Even Jesus warned of those who would come ” in his name “. I only observe the ongoing hypocrisy and muse at the notion of ” one ” omnipresent boogey man responsible for… Read more »

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More evidence of Blax’s puerile statement that there is no right or left in politics…

‘Yes, I’m Running as a Socialist.’ Why Candidates Are Embracing the Label in 2018

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/dsa-socialism-candidates-midterms.html

Will he retract it and grow up? I doubt it, lol.

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Paging Rollo Tomassi https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/322514-so-i-ve-read-the-rational-male-as-skills360-suggested-now-i-m-confused First off, I want to thank Skills360 for pointing me to that book. Was a very interesting read, got it yesterday and finished it almost in one read (slept once in between). I really enjoyed several points made, like the different SMV peaks of men/women and a lot of other stuff. Reading it has also helped me realize how much of a Beta (by the books definition) my father really was and to this day is. Not sure about myself (who could really be honest about that to himself?) Yet there are certain points made that… Read more »

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I only observe everything as a whole without the labels By denying labels, you obscure truth…you cast shadows to hide criminals…you cloak evil. What is a name but a label? And how can there be an indictment without a name? I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were naïve, but now it appears that you are sinister. It makes me sad. Capitalism doesn’t prevent opportunistic evil; capitalism also allows benign self-interest to send out a wave of blessing. Socialism is coordinated evil by design; socialism gives more power and control to the elites. The elites use both… Read more »

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asd,

It’s amusing how you turned

“I only observe everything as a whole without the labels, because ” good and evil ” and ” right and wrong ” is readily apparent without qualifiers.”

into

“More evidence of Blax’s puerile statement that there is no right or left in politics…”

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Asd Never said there’s no right or left in politics. Politics is mostly shit nowadays, more akin to gangs than the true political. Hence my assertions that ” right and left ” are both useless, not that they don’t exist politically. The bulk of people normally fall somewhere in the middle. Extremists have hijacked both dominant political parties. Sure, some folks absolutely love that idea, lunatics running the asylum, but objectively it’s really had news. And I’d wager that it’s mostly people older than 40 or so that cheer on and support the more extreme ideological positions, on both sides.… Read more »

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@ chump no more

Lol. There are numerous tutorials online that ” teach ” people how to debate and respond to challenges. The whole ” reframe ” thing is prominent in all of The ones I’ve read. Never stop reframing. Make your opponent respond to the reframe, obscuring the original point(s).

It’s not debate imo.

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Asd

Read Adam Smith about 30 years ago. So?

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Blax, abhorring labels, appears to be a “reactionary” Progressive, circa 1948 variety.

http://www.davidpietrusza.com/1948-progressive-party-platform.html

ASD appears a conservative, 1980 variety.

Trump is more a Progressive than a Conservative.

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Society also used to restrain hypergamy once upon a time too. Circumstances change. Eyebrows get modified unchecked, old books don’t really apply that much any longer.

Make sense?

In a world of fuel injection, I don’t rely on manuals about carberateurs.

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Eyebrows?????? Wtf?????😂I,

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“In a world of fuel injection, I don’t rely on manuals about carberateurs.”

Let’s agree on a mutual hatred of batteries…

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eyebrows

I like this new language Blax, makes you seem more mystical.

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I don’t abhor labels, just the use and reliance on them as absolutes.

Some will call this site, and all the commentors and its author ” misogynist “. An inaccurate label most likely borne of emotional disagreement rather than actual content and intention.

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Thanks all for your words and concern. Like TuffLuv said – gotta try to find a meaningful way to frame it. My son died about a month ago now. It all happened pretty fast (over 4 days post surgery, which occurred a day and a half after his mother and I found out what was causing his recent headaches of about 4 weeks, by way of finally getting a CAT scan, instead of another round of neurological function testing which continued to show no deficit throughout). After surgery my son knew he was dying. He was conscious with full faculty… Read more »

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It’s easy enough to identify two political teams who play the game against each other and assign them team names. Perhaps “left” and “right,” or “Snakes” and “Mongooses.”

Less easy would be to define political philosophies of left and right and fit those philosophies to actual behavioural positions of the two teams.

And even harder to take the historical meanings of those words and fit them to the teams of a functioning republic which upholds some sort of democratic principles.

People do not believe what they say, they believe what they do.

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Extremists have hijacked both dominant political parties. I agree that the dems are run by extremists and that pretty much all dem politicians are extreme leftists. But the repubs???? Does the KKK runs the Republicans? lol Maybe you are saying that the left has also hijacked the repubs and that most repub politicians are extreme leftists? Cuz I don’t see most repub politicians as right wing extremists. Repubs push more govt. spending…more immigration (e.g., Lindsey Graham & widdle Bob Corker & Jeff Flake & the Bushes & a lot of repub donors like the Kochs)… …of course, if the media… Read more »

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Lol. I luv ya asd.

… Left hijacked republicans…. Kkk reference….

I’ll quote my dad ( who’s older even than you are ) ” not all republicans are Kkk members. That’s a ludicrous notion. But all Kkk members identify as republicans “.

Platform.

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And if I say I don’t believe in baseball, doesn’t matter if you keep calling me out as a shortstop.

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Wildman,

You’re quite proximal to his death and no one expects much from you other than your good faith honesty a la your above comment.

Putting it down in words frees your mind for other things and you’ll come back to it later.

Have you been taking time for your mental health? How? Weekend is here, plans?

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@ASD: ” . . . all Kkk members identify as republicans “.”

Your dad must be rather young. Q.E,.D.

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“I guess that is what everybody is trying to do here, each in their own way. Because that is the core of masculinity.”

The 10 Pillars of Masculinity
MARCH 19, 2018 BY LANE GOODWIN

http://thewinninglane.com/the-10-pillars-of-masculinity/

Responsibility

Self Improvement

Rationality

Strength

Courage

Self Reliance

Persistence

Competency

Discipline

Honor (among men)

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Blax, I see you as a curling superstar.

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Peace is what happens between Wars.

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As far as label uselessness goes, when it comes to ideological content, “republican” is pretty useless…

memo to Blax…the republican platform has as much relevance as a hill of mushy beans…by contrast, the democratic platform is pretty much granite and adhered to by dem politicians

The label “dem” has meaning–“leftists”…the label “repub” has little meaning–“might not be a leftist”

@kfg

lol at you thinking I’m a 1980 conservative

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“lol at you thinking I’m a 1980 conservative”

lol at you thinking that I think you’re a 1980 conservative.

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