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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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IDK, it’s as if some guys get triggered by some club experience into competition mode, dick measuring comments, if someone questions them by talking pickup online.

If it fits the script or sniff test, it’ll pass muster.

If you get blowback, perhaps a tweaking is in order.

Or twerking…

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“why couldn’t she come up with something else”

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She can’t, at least on her own, as she hasn’t emotionally evolved past high school thus she stuck at that reference point.

Yep.

“Oldest teenager in the house”.

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@Eh I’m talking game, not pickup. The blowback is because some dudes think that you have to have a lot of fucks to talk game and that’s bullshit. You have to have a lot of fucks with new girls you just met to talk pickup. That I agree with. What you have to have to talk game is lots of experience around girls and men. Game includes selling cars and pretty much anything where you are trying to influence another person’s behavior. I was a kickass salesman when I was a kid selling cookies door to door and also when… Read more »

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“Recently my game influenced my church to make an adjustment for the good of my group in the church.”

Pray tell, what was that?

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“Initially she was making faces at me like I’d shit myself or something, but stuff means nothing – unless it’s a scowl and a terse recommendation that I go fornicate with myself.” Right there. Difference between NO/GTFO girl and Neutral girl. NO girl = Actively ignoring you…not giving you anything to work with…one word responses. looking around…getting pissed off the longer you stay in set. Just approach another set or go get a drink as @HABD said. Neutral girl = Either neutral expression (this is why I open girls by spiking her emotions via situational opener, instead of generic “how’s… Read more »

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Just approach another set or go get a drink as @HABD said.

That’s not reallyt what HABD said. he said contend with a drink while remaining with her, proximate in set/not leaving, thereby, non-verbally engaging her…

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You simply sit down in the seat next to her and order your drink/enjoy your drink and promptly ‘forget’ about her…as you wait for your new girl to get there…lol… note – you are still in the ‘interaction’ with ‘no’ girl…you are in the process of DHV, and you just need to give her hindbrain some time to activate her hamster…lol…for whatever reason, she wasn’t open to it when you approached…BUT, as you simply sit there with alpha posture enjoying your drink (focus on what’s important to YOU…lol) (mmmm…taste the hoppy/malty goodness of that beer…feel the slightly smooth bite of… Read more »

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“by the time you are done with your drink (10 minutes at least…) she should be open enough to apologize for her rude behavior to you…lol…”

cool. I’d rather approach another 9…

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@SJF My large Sunday School class was cramped in a small room. The pastors didn’t want to move the class to a bigger room. So I questioned the teacher on a point. He came back and passive-aggressively accused me of being gamma because he is insecure. (I didn’t defend myself because it was unnecessary.) I hadn’t questioned any of his points in the months previously when he taught. So the pastors split the class in two to make the insecure teacher happy and my group is in one room (no longer cramped) and the rest of the class is in… Read more »

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@HABD some really hot girls are ‘non-reactive’ (as the shit test) bc THAT better suits their repro goals… (i did an analysis about this before, but i don’t have time to find it right now…) Lazy bum… you should be glad I have my archive sorted: https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-47/#comment-217643 https://therationalmale.com/field-reports-comment-page-2-comments/comment-page-47/#comment-217816 @all I don’t really understand why we’re saying scray’s and Austen’s sets are ‘No girls’. This is a terrible term BTW, you can have a Get The Fuck Out Of My Face reaction, or Blase/No IOIs reaction, or I’m Shy and Don’t Know What to Say reaction, or I Don’t Really Speak… Read more »

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@scray? I meant @scars, sorry

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“Have you tried merging sets yet? Pivots and pawns? Short set method?”

Yeah. Work the club. Do this to convert potential “NO” girls to Neutral/Yes girl status (make her curious about you instead of judging you immediately based on your looks, height…shutting you off before giving you a chance to demonstrate your charming personality). None of your dancing monkey shit will work on a girl actively ignoring you. Neutral/Yes girls….perhaps:

https://imgur.com/LHZALiB

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@scars

Opened her and she Looked at me like a scientist looking at a new cell under a microscope.

Love reading your FRs my man. Keep up the good fight!

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JMULV needs transcripts. I can’t watch his shit at all, but I sense kernels of insight. His infield shit is boring and he says truly dumb shit – but that’s good. Everyday pickup is as interesting as reading the daily news. And you really don’t need to be that witty or clever. But doesn’t actually seen to realize that, which is the irony. Speaking of ironic, I think there was some weird discussion about value that went in the wrong direction. I’ve long termed several girls that I would call “life of the party” types. One ex, her friends could… Read more »

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A demonstration of high value is not a story about you doing some cool according to you bullshit, it’s telling a story that is a page turner. It’s grabbing that attention, taking it for a rollercoaster ride.

This. Creating a dramatic event. This is hard to learn but it can be practiced on guys.

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And following on my last comment, create word pictures in your stories. Make people feel like they are there. Learn how to add imagery and poetry to your stories. Include your feelings in poetic form. Create a fantasy.

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Mystery Method – Chapter 8 – Conversation

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@Archie A demonstration of high value is not a story about you doing some cool according to you bullshit, it’s telling a story that is a page turner. It’s grabbing that attention, taking it for a rollercoaster ride. Bringing people in for a journey THAT IS THE VALUE. Not the content, but the way it makes people feel on the inside. That’s how you do from Herb in Accounting to Lady Killer. Dimitri on Juggler Method: Make her interesting. It absolutely doesn’t matter how interesting I am to a woman. What matters is how interesting she is to me. She… Read more »

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Speaking of Nabokov… so much Red Pill in Lolita.

Humbert needs to work on his Sugar Daddy game… lol

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“I’ve known quite a few Marines who spent time overseas in the middle of some crazy shit inexplicably tell their tales in such a way as to render them boring and ineffectual. You have to learn to sell yourself. Sometimes even top notch goods sit moldy on the shelves for lack of marketing and salesmanship. This is where having a story (or a routine, in old school parlance) memorized and ready for deployment is critical to a man’s success bedding women.” https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/storytelling-aka-fibbing/ unfortunately in order for stories to be most effective to stories they require the target to already be… Read more »

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What’s with the binary thinking?

Stories – and other displays of high value [like being unphased by her disinterest] – don’t have to be “most” effective. Effective will do. You start out with disinterest, then lure her in. That’s the point. How do you eat a box of chocolates? One at a time.

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That was a pretty good read.

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Wow!1! These past three months have been wild in terms of game development. A lot of shit has finally dawned on me. In February I started getting more numbers, and got several makeouts.Took a girl out on a date, almost fucked her in the back of my car but didn’t seal the deal when the iron was hot. Almost pulled another girl, but her cock blocking friends got in the way. At this point I started realizing that pulling doesn’t just “happen” just because you’re making out, and that cock-blocking girlfriends are your worst enemy. In March I did around… Read more »

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@Safe

proud of you son…

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@safespaceplaypen – FR for the one night stand please smile
well done

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@J I watched a boat load more youtube vids by that viking PUA dude (black dude with coolio haircut) until like 3am last night, and he’s got quite a few interactions with girls doing exactly what happened to me. Made me feel better as he’s good, but some girls just blank him and barely reply to what he’s saying and he’s just talking to brick walls. He wasn’t able to ‘turn’ any of them either (same as Max and Julien). His ‘go too move’ seems to be to basically ‘call them out’ and like ”You are So New York! You’re… Read more »

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@safespace “I’ve thought of joining nextasf but haven’t gotten around to it.” Join. Go through the action/sex reports dating back to 2013. There’s a shit load of them, but I only read the ones that got: likes, high views, or received a lot of responses. Can’t view them if you’re not a member. @scars “Are you using any specific routines or whatever to open and transition at the moment in order to ‘hook’ the non ‘no girls’? I feel like switching it up this weekend.” I’m currently experimenting with new shit after going through Seduction MMA and based on the… Read more »

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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/8ev77f/1st_time_at_the_bars_and_already_ran_into_trouble/

What would you do in this situation?

Pretty dumb to be taking what is seemingly an LTR to a bar but that’s the least of his worries, apparently.

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Ha ha… cashmere… It’s a great way to peacock and it pisses doods off… chicks love it though. Good opportunity to demonstrate holding frame.

as to the mate guarder… better way to handle that kind of disrespect is to whisper in her ear, wow he’s so hot… then go flirt with some other girls. Of course you might find out you are her second choice that way…

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PS – I’m sure his stomach and torso was not bulging with fat or pear shaped…

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@Sentient Agreed, to me this seems like a symptom of a larger problem if a girl is willing to shit on you in public so blatantly. The problem is guys let girls get away with it way too often or are blind to the dynamics involved. This guy obviously chose the wrong path by reacting emotionally but it’s certainly a thought provoking predicament. My best arm-chair quarterback play would be to look at my gf incredulously , eyebrow raised with a “Seriously?” and start opening other chicks nearby. In my specific case I’d be asking girls to dance and let… Read more »

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Pretty dumb to be taking what is seemingly an LTR to a bar but that’s the least of his worries, apparently.

She’s not housebroken. The bitch needs training. She needs to be taught to play Dodgeboy. A bar is the perfect place to train her.

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interesting new day game pull from JMULV (don’t think I can post links)
I usually don’t ‘get’ his infields at all. There always seems to be zero ‘game’ (people have mentioned actresses) and Combined with the fact that everyone tells me he just bangs hookers and stuff i’m super suspicious, but it’s better than lots of his infields that i’ve seen. Girl looks cute, too (even with the blurred face)

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lol. I said he bangs hookers. Not JUST hookers. You’re absolutely mad if you think he’s using no game. Watch it again. One of the better day game infields out there:

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yeah it’s a good vid. I think she’d be hot

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LOL… she is a sugar girl…

Someone please tell this guy to just stop…

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https://www.wikihow.com/Be-Open-Minded

Compare that infield to one of the ‘best’ day gamers approaching a ‘Yes’ Russian girl in Union Sq with only an hour to kill like JMULV’s girl at 13:20:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIlDtv5f48&t=1031s

I’m not even gonna link Aaron’s recent clip showing him picking up a Korean tourist girl in NYC cause that’s just as impressive as a tall white guy killing it in Medellin

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@sentient – yes she’s a sugar girl as he mentions himself. You don’t believe he pulled her I take it? PS – saw this on a discussion about the infield ”One thing about that vid. She’s a ‘sugar girl’ and had been on a date with some old guy before this, so she’s obviously hot as fuck, but would such a girl give sex away for free like that when she can get $1000+? The other issue I have is that he basically asks if he can come to her house and she says ‘no way’. Then the audio cuts… Read more »

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Scars Pulled or paid? First – daygame instadates like this are no big thing. Try it and you will see. Second – given that… Why the fuck would this idiot post a sugar girl “pull”? I mean… Why introduce further credibility issues when you are already being tagged as a hooker banger? So ok… He rolls up on a 6 who just fot paid… Buys her a drink… No skin off her apple she on the clock and then they leave… Did yoy see any legit attraction? Any kino from her to him? Etc. It’s idiotic that he would post… Read more »

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@scars

lol chill bro.

plausible deniability is to smoke weed with him. weed is illegal in New York. That’s why he cut that part out and the part where he mentions his friend used to be a drug dealer around the 47 min mark. I think she has a job interview coming up in a couple days and is nervous she’ll fail the drug test if she smokes with him. that’s why he talks about the drug kit to test it.

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This infield is better than anything Krauser has ever put out. Sentient is just being closed minded. I’ll wait for @WIA to jump in

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@J – chill? That wasn’t my post lol. It’s in quotes. Its just a post i found when looking for discussion on the infield. I have no views either way! lol

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@J – Yeah, i’d say it’s definitely one of his better infields, either way. Some of the ones in his products are nowhere near as good.

@sentient – they go to his place and not hers, so maybe not just a free cab ride? Maybe it was more out of her way! smile Who knows. Didn’t seem to be that much attraction coming from her side as you say, but then I DO like his odds if he managed to get her back to his place and get high with her etc.

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Hey fanbois be fanbois.

I don’t give a flying fuck about Krausers infields… Or RSD… Or whatever pay to play guy you fellas are fetting excited over today.

Just simple logic here… You advertise “The World’s Greatest Pickup Coach” and you yourself put up a tout video where you have a drink with a semi pro 6…? Fuck RSD must be laughing their asses off… Of course their heads are firmly up them so we just hear muffled chortling… Maybe Todd can get some traction here…

Hey you guys interested in investing in the bridge market? Let’s talk.

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Why the fuck would this idiot post a sugar girl “pull”?

Because she knows enough about how to play this game (all this teasing and luring with sexual references), so the interaction looks more fun than some rapport infields.

Where’s the tension though?

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IRL

She knows? She have a cam too?

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“Hey fanbois be fanbois.” did you forget about the part that I’m the one linked to Krauser saying he bangs hookers? I stand by the statement. I went through JMULVs other infields. They are shit bro. This one is actually good. I shit on RSD with my wings all the time. Especially Todd. I often tell my wing “I don’t give a shit what todd said, listen to me. that shit doesn’t work” Cause he’s always been boring to me and doesn’t show intent. I like Mystery Method. I’ve read it. I don’t like that he isn’t sexual enough and… Read more »

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I’ll tell you another thing JMULV’s inane constant, nervous laughter is a big tell… Not in his favor. Don’t do this.

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looks a bit like she’s playing with her food and teasing him during the whole interaction really. It’s him doing lots of pulling (and very little ‘push’) but he’s keeping it together and being somewhat fun in fairness. DHV’s about being a DJ. Sexualises convo etc. She never seems to be chasing at all though, and I don’t see much attraction there? But then she agrees to go back to his place after he’s made his desire crystal clear which is typically a very good sign indeed. Hmmmm So they get to his place and he goes in for the… Read more »

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“(all this teasing and luring with sexual references),”

watch the infield. HE’s the one that brings up and is constantly makes sexual references. he’s making her laugh. teasing. leading. strong eye contact. Making it “just happen”

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J I’m with you. And heartened to hear it.

But

“This one is actually good. ”

It’s just not.

Do you do any street stops? Daygame?

The only thing remarkable about this is the girl is a semi pro…

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“It’s just not.”

ok that’s your opinion.

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Do any of you guys deal with pros and semi pros? Pros are great… They get right to the deal. And the hottest girls I’ve tried to seduce where pros… Semi pros… These are the trouble makers. Because they dont get to the point. They are amateurs… Dabblers… I’ve lost bangs when they spring the game.. I’ve lost bangs thinking they were pros and weren’t. HABD has said they can be turned and I believe it. But knowing that up front and trying to turn them to a freebie is different from getting sprung… Culum used to bang sugar girls…… Read more »

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J

Do you do any daygame? Streetstops? Etc.

I’ve no doubt if you did you would have 10x better FRs than this example. It really isn’t remarkable.

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@jejckel

“She never seems to be chasing at all though, and I don’t see much attraction there?”

31:00 – 32:35

https://youtu.be/nIoeXkQ9YM0?t=31m

@Sentient

“It really isn’t remarkable”

“WestIndianArchie
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JMULV needs transcripts. I can’t watch his shit at all, but I sense kernels of insight.

His infield shit is boring and he says truly dumb shit – but that’s good. Everyday pickup is as interesting as reading the daily news. And you really don’t need to be that witty or clever.”

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@blax

don’t have time to watch the full clip, but look at her body language at 0:33 – 0:37 and her eyes at 1:30 when he says “paid”

hahaha

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Justin is a bullshitter. When I used to be around guys that talked like him, had an excuse for everything, an explanation that was unending, I’d tell them immediately to stfu with all that yapping.

It’s insulting, what he’s trying to portray.

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J

I read Archie’s comment earlier… And implicitly I agree… hence “unremarkable” and again I say if you do daygame or street stops you will do it better than this…

So it’s still strange he would post something “portentous” that involves a semi pro, and which clearly he isn’t generating much attraction.

Why invite scrutiny when you already are being dinged as a pay for play guy?

Unless you have nothing else.

Because this example is easy to get – day in day out – with regular civilian girls. Who are better looking. lol

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@j watch the infield. HE’s the one that brings up and is constantly makes sexual references. he’s making her laugh. teasing. leading. strong eye contact. Making it “just happen” I’m not saying he does nothing. I’m saying she does her thing too (like with the incest references or making fun of him and calling him a hooker), so of course he shows it as the most interesting interaction. But it’s more her persona and secret society lining than JMLUV making her chase him. Good early leading and keeping it fun (minus the laughter after his statements). Half way through, at… Read more »

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Nice recap.

On your question, for both pro and semi pro, resolve to ignore their game and do my own. HABDs result – still girls. Stay out of their frame. The benefit of this approach is you don’t second guess yourself or lose momentum. Post Russian girl debacle…

Either thar or cut and run, merely because I game hard when travelling and have limited travel opportunities and would prefer higher odds….

We will see.

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On dabblers…

Even pros prefer to fuck guys they like, they just want that and the money too. Women. I’m talking about 8-9 girls, not toothless crack hoes.

One of the loveliest, smartest hottest 24 yo I ever met told me she had 4 regular guys, all 50s marriend and mega rich. Cool accomplished poeerful guys she really liked. She got 10k a month each for once a week romp.

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I originally posted this under the Instinctual Process because Wildman was buffering with walls of psychobabble posts, but Im cross posting here because I want to start a dialog about why each of you came here originally and what you are getting out of staying. so I’ll go first, then its your turn. I came to this blog to figure out how to restore my intersexual life with all women in general, and my wife in particular, to a level that resulted in personal satisfaction, with a very heavy emphasis on sex, but with an eye to improving my daily… Read more »

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My next step is to learn how to better comfort her when she needs it

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LTRs are not for the faint hearted. I know what I want, and I am willing to work, fail, correct and improve to attain it. Lesser men will fall. I will not.

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Marelius

Comfort tests are exceedingly rare. Mostly fitness test disguised as comfort tests. Easy to fail.

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[REPOSTING this – it didn’t post the first time – I think because my link to Blackdragon’s sugar daddy dating post may have sent it into mod – but you can google that easily] Did someone mention my name re sugar girls? I have appeared… I’ve posted endlessly on the subject. It can be done and done successfully. You need to filter hard to screen out the gold diggers and go for the (relatively – it’s still a sugar site) normal girls who just want a successful guy. Those *will* be less hot than the outright gold diggers and sometimes… Read more »

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Marelius, Good Job on what you are doing in Red Pill. I actually spend, what seems to me, very little of my free time on this blog. If you want to LOL, go ahead. RP and Game are a hobby and a praxeology. It doesn’t take up to much time that should be allocated for other purposes. It is in between time. In between work, play, parenting, spending time with her, yardwork, entertainment, whatever. Sentient is spot on about the so called comfort tests. I’ve described my situation and where I’ve come from way too many times and I’m tired… Read more »

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FR: been to this club a few times before (I think at least 2 of my club FRs were here). Arrived not long after 23:00. Go in just behind 2 girls (Lift Girls) and in front of 1 guy (Lift Guy). Take the lift, I open the Lift Girls as they overshot the lift and didn’t know where to go. They are giggly and smiling. We all get in the lift, in lift guy opens the girls. I disengage for the time being. Get to the club proper, it is empty as expected. Open the guy ask if he is… Read more »

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IAS

Well I don’t see the A2…

Dance floor game is physical, if that isn’t you, spend more time in the quiter sections

“I wanted to open blondie again and say “Tell stripes I kind of liked her””

No… Just no. This isn’t 8th grade.

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@IAS She passes through me and I feel one of her boobs brushing my arm. I stop dancing for a few seconds processing it. Then I turn to face her and she has her back turned on me quite close. A beta bait at best… not even aimed at you necessarily, she just thinks she’s the shit there and can walk around like that. Accidental brushes in crowded places happen a lot too. Not worthy of your boner yet. Be different and do the opposite of what every other guy was doing. Instead of turning to face her, I’d take… Read more »

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@IAS Field report for you to show you what A2 is I’m focusing on one girl (late 20s HB7 wearing a dress) in this FR…at the start of the night, an early 20s pretty boy invites me over to share his table with his friends…they’re drinking water only…dance geeks…one of the girls tells me that pretty boy told her that she should dance with me and she asks me to dance…do I have A2 yet? While I’m dancing with the girl, she asks me questions and we chat. Do I have A2 yet? I hang out at the table…another guy… Read more »

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I hope this doesn’t come out too defensive, at least from my conscious mind my intent is to learn not to defend my ego (I know that I suck at club game so ego defense is futile). Regarding A2: I thought 3 IOIs was a good rule of thumb for A2 and move to A3. There was someone (HABD maybe?) which was quite liberal with counting “just being around you” as an IOI. I got prolonged eye contact and deliberate proximity, hence I thought I had A2. @IRL: I wouldn’t (shouldn’t?) count as “hovering around chicks” if they move towards… Read more »

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Sentient Comfort tests are exceedingly rare. Mostly fitness test disguised as comfort tests. Easy to fail. Yeah, I have gone back and forth on whether or not “comfort tests” actually exist apart from fitness tests. Currently, I think they do in our specific case. Someone here posted on another thread how to distinguish the two, and it resonated with me. Its not exactly scientific, but if you sense that she is coming from a position of superiority, its definitely a fitness test, no matter the language she uses. However, if you sense she is coming from a position of submissiveness,… Read more »

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You ve passed my nerd test.

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The boob brush may not have been intentional Always assume that boob brushes are intentional without strong facts otherwise, such as the girl blushes and apologizes, etc. IRL: A beta bait at best Yeah, even so, it’s social A2…IAS isn’t invisible IRL: Instead of turning to face her, I’d take a step back to push my back against her, threw something like “watch it kid, you’re in my personal space” over my shoulder and rolled off to engage girls in front of me. Good analysis and suggestions. I wouldn’t (shouldn’t?) count as “hovering around chicks” if they move towards me…… Read more »

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Fri. night was a milestone night in one sense…there was a smokin’ hot early 20s short brunette…tatted up and showing midriff…killer bod…looked like a biker babe…I asked her to dance and we danced and she kept shoving one of her tits at me as we danced…

…oh, yeah, the milestone was that she used to work at the bar and most girls who work at the bar won’t dance with me, supposedly because they get teased by other workers…so this ex-worker danced with me…a milestone

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IAS Try this, next time do everything in your FR in the 3 or 4 hours you have before going to the club. That kind of basic socialization you did at the club as a warm up. You are a cool social middle age guy, with a wife and a mistress. You’re not one of the incels here. So act like it. Turn down your IOI Finder… You aren’t at the place right now where you need to decipher micro IOIs. DHV until you are SURE you have strong IOIs… Because? You are a cool socially savvy middle age guy… Read more »

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“then she might actually be fearful of losing her alpha, and is just seeking a warm embrace.”

Yeah these are really fitness tests. There is a difference in how she acts between being really fearful and just seeking assurance you are still there.

Since you aren’t saying everything is going how you want, consider you might be failing these. Try throwing in some stronger responses…

Her : “Would you ever leave me?”
You: “Don’t give me a reason to.”

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Turn down your IOI Finder… You aren’t at the place right now where you need to decipher micro IOIs.

IAS has a problem with calibration, which he knows about. It’s good for him to work on it.

DHV until you are SURE you have strong IOIs… Because? …

…you enjoy over-gaming and you’re overloaded with youthful energy

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DHV until you are SURE you have strong IOIs… Because? …

…you enjoy over-gaming and you’re overloaded with youthful energy

This is why playing at pick up will never be the same as actually picking girls up… All those IOIs you totally were getting… you never get to find out how real they really were.

Legend in Own Mind problem…

IAS – find the baseline, that is how you calibrate…

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Marelius, “Life should be fun – for me AND for her.” Testify. You lead, she’ll follow. Life is fun when moving parts are minimized as excess enerrgy is available. Do as you wish, make space for her to tag along and she’ll serve you happily. I can’t stress enough the need to stick to the RP script, not her comfort. For example, I never feed my woman if we’re out until that point I might have to caveman her over my shoulder. Food is a tool of survival not comfort and connecting food provisioning prior to sex is subconsciously negotiated… Read more »

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All those IOIs you totally were getting… you never get to find out how real they really were. IOIs from girls I just met look like the ones from Mrs. Gamer…and the girls I used to make out with same day/night I met them…and my first lay…Mrs. Gamer and I played Fun & Games this a.m. after Mrs. Gamer accused me of flaking on her last night…total bs…a shit test…she fell asleep, lol…Mrs. Gamer is actually quite ill and I’m worried about her, so I wasn’t gonna wake her… …so I hope I don’t have to lead girls from IOIs… Read more »

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@IAS Regarding A2: I thought 3 IOIs was a good rule of thumb for A2 and move to A3. Name at least 3 things you did/displayed that deserved genuine IOIs and attraction. +1 to Sentient’s suggestion to start with a baseline so that you could link girls’ responses to your actions. It will be easier for you to notice which ones are worth rewarding with A3. Don’t give it away too early. @IRL: I wouldn’t (shouldn’t?) count as “hovering around chicks” if they move towards me and stay there What do you mean “if”? Were you the king or a… Read more »

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@scars

A funny example of persistence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6xQiHByHGA

“yeah but I have red shoes”

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I think HABD posted this

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Very solid diagnostic tool to find calibration level.

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Im in a total pickup joint and a meh band was there. Young and old mixed crowd. I leave wife alone for 30 seconds to piss and two dudes are talking to her. One young short guy, another a flamboyant gay guy and they’re all talking fashion. I came out with a Hm? look on my face and the bearded guy immediately called me out on my mateguarding look (my words) and diverted the conversation elsewhere. I knew I was in the presence of a quick talker, told him such he said he said was a salesman, he’s good at… Read more »

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Wait. Is it a feminist!??

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@IRL: “Name at least 3 things you did/displayed that deserved genuine IOIs and attraction.” I came to the club alone and befriended a group, engaged with 2 hot girls successfully, merged the group, was one of the first guys to go up to the dance floor when it was still fairly empty, was unreactive to their “beta bait” (unlike other guys) and held eye contact confidently. To which extent that would be enough (it wasn’t) when they were so full of themselves is the issue. “+1 to Sentient’s suggestion to start with a baseline” Actually I’m not 100% sure what… Read more »

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@IAS Don’t miss the wood for the trees. Leave the details behind. Too much dog logic. Back to basics. Here’s your baseline: How did the IOIs/attraction/desire from your e-mail saga girl feel? How did you know she was into you? What did you do to generate it? Action => reaction. Was it the same with any of the girls at the club? If in doubt, there’s not doubt. Not sure they are attracted = not attracted. Same with them: even if your behaviors registered on their radar (my guess is they didn’t know/notice half of what you listed), they were… Read more »

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Not sure they are attracted = not attracted. Not helpful…he could be having calibration issues…he’s autistic…hot girls give more subtle IOIs than not hot girls…it’s more difficult for autists to pick up on subtle hints Same with them: even if your behaviors registered on their radar (my guess is they didn’t know/notice half of what you listed), they were in doubt = no doubt, not AF yet. I know girls notice me when lots of girls are watching me…IAS needs to get to this point…it works for autists. IAS needs to get girls lit up, like a mailbabe in my… Read more »

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…at marriage

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Hi guys, I’ve been lurking here for about five years learning as much as I can. I got rejected today and I feel terrific! This girl was a 27 yo HB7 who is your typical “nice girl” who craves attention and has a lot of orbiters. She is very good at doling out just enough kino and attention to keep a typical beta around and 15 years ago I would have been sucked into her orbit. Instead, I maintained my frame and MPO and refused to get sucked in. Our “relationship” lasted about a week. She tried so hard to… Read more »

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@IRL (and Sentient): thank you, I appreciate the time you “invest” in me.
I’d say they were intrigued/interested but certainly not enough to invest.
I just didn’t know what to do to DHV more without falling into their “give me your validation” Frame.

The best I thought in the moment after the boob brush was a variant of the classic “Hey, hands off the merchandise” (which I think IRL pretty much suggested above), but I didn’t make the move in time.

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FR I know I have been asking about your experiences with comfort tests and fitness tests recently, and the consensus is they are all fitness tests of one kind or another. I defer to your collective experience – thank you for the feedback. Last night, however, was a clear cut fitness test. Looking for a critique and suggestions for improvements. Wife works from home, and office is in BR, so not ideal situation. She makes quite a lot of money, so there it is. We are not going to change her office location for many reasons, so please don’t focus… Read more »

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Shortly after that she begins stroking my arm. This continues for a minute or so, and then she says shes horny

I’ve had this happen with my former 20yo live-in. She’d come to bed after studying till 2:30AM.
Man up and get it hard. Burden of performance and such. Also doesn’t feel that bad once you get into it.

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