For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
Marelius, “Life should be fun – for me AND for her.” Testify. You lead, she’ll follow. Life is fun when moving parts are minimized as excess enerrgy is available. Do as you wish, make space for her to tag along and she’ll serve you happily. I can’t stress enough the need to stick to the RP script, not her comfort. For example, I never feed my woman if we’re out until that point I might have to caveman her over my shoulder. Food is a tool of survival not comfort and connecting food provisioning prior to sex is subconsciously negotiated… Read more »
All those IOIs you totally were getting… you never get to find out how real they really were. IOIs from girls I just met look like the ones from Mrs. Gamer…and the girls I used to make out with same day/night I met them…and my first lay…Mrs. Gamer and I played Fun & Games this a.m. after Mrs. Gamer accused me of flaking on her last night…total bs…a shit test…she fell asleep, lol…Mrs. Gamer is actually quite ill and I’m worried about her, so I wasn’t gonna wake her… …so I hope I don’t have to lead girls from IOIs… Read more »
@IAS Regarding A2: I thought 3 IOIs was a good rule of thumb for A2 and move to A3. Name at least 3 things you did/displayed that deserved genuine IOIs and attraction. +1 to Sentient’s suggestion to start with a baseline so that you could link girls’ responses to your actions. It will be easier for you to notice which ones are worth rewarding with A3. Don’t give it away too early. @IRL: I wouldn’t (shouldn’t?) count as “hovering around chicks” if they move towards me and stay there What do you mean “if”? Were you the king or a… Read more »
@scars
A funny example of persistence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6xQiHByHGA
“yeah but I have red shoes”
IAS IRL
I think HABD posted this
Very solid diagnostic tool to find calibration level.
Im in a total pickup joint and a meh band was there. Young and old mixed crowd. I leave wife alone for 30 seconds to piss and two dudes are talking to her. One young short guy, another a flamboyant gay guy and they’re all talking fashion. I came out with a Hm? look on my face and the bearded guy immediately called me out on my mateguarding look (my words) and diverted the conversation elsewhere. I knew I was in the presence of a quick talker, told him such he said he said was a salesman, he’s good at… Read more »
Wait. Is it a feminist!??
@IRL: “Name at least 3 things you did/displayed that deserved genuine IOIs and attraction.” I came to the club alone and befriended a group, engaged with 2 hot girls successfully, merged the group, was one of the first guys to go up to the dance floor when it was still fairly empty, was unreactive to their “beta bait” (unlike other guys) and held eye contact confidently. To which extent that would be enough (it wasn’t) when they were so full of themselves is the issue. “+1 to Sentient’s suggestion to start with a baseline” Actually I’m not 100% sure what… Read more »
@IAS Don’t miss the wood for the trees. Leave the details behind. Too much dog logic. Back to basics. Here’s your baseline: How did the IOIs/attraction/desire from your e-mail saga girl feel? How did you know she was into you? What did you do to generate it? Action => reaction. Was it the same with any of the girls at the club? If in doubt, there’s not doubt. Not sure they are attracted = not attracted. Same with them: even if your behaviors registered on their radar (my guess is they didn’t know/notice half of what you listed), they were… Read more »
Not sure they are attracted = not attracted. Not helpful…he could be having calibration issues…he’s autistic…hot girls give more subtle IOIs than not hot girls…it’s more difficult for autists to pick up on subtle hints Same with them: even if your behaviors registered on their radar (my guess is they didn’t know/notice half of what you listed), they were in doubt = no doubt, not AF yet. I know girls notice me when lots of girls are watching me…IAS needs to get to this point…it works for autists. IAS needs to get girls lit up, like a mailbabe in my… Read more »
…at marriage
Hi guys, I’ve been lurking here for about five years learning as much as I can. I got rejected today and I feel terrific! This girl was a 27 yo HB7 who is your typical “nice girl” who craves attention and has a lot of orbiters. She is very good at doling out just enough kino and attention to keep a typical beta around and 15 years ago I would have been sucked into her orbit. Instead, I maintained my frame and MPO and refused to get sucked in. Our “relationship” lasted about a week. She tried so hard to… Read more »
@IRL (and Sentient): thank you, I appreciate the time you “invest” in me.
I’d say they were intrigued/interested but certainly not enough to invest.
I just didn’t know what to do to DHV more without falling into their “give me your validation” Frame.
The best I thought in the moment after the boob brush was a variant of the classic “Hey, hands off the merchandise” (which I think IRL pretty much suggested above), but I didn’t make the move in time.
FR I know I have been asking about your experiences with comfort tests and fitness tests recently, and the consensus is they are all fitness tests of one kind or another. I defer to your collective experience – thank you for the feedback. Last night, however, was a clear cut fitness test. Looking for a critique and suggestions for improvements. Wife works from home, and office is in BR, so not ideal situation. She makes quite a lot of money, so there it is. We are not going to change her office location for many reasons, so please don’t focus… Read more »
Shortly after that she begins stroking my arm. This continues for a minute or so, and then she says shes horny
I’ve had this happen with my former 20yo live-in. She’d come to bed after studying till 2:30AM.
Man up and get it hard. Burden of performance and such. Also doesn’t feel that bad once you get into it.
Marelius How can I move from Novice to Champion status? ? Bang your wife? I mean this she takes business into her own hands. does not compute… “Lets see it its worth it.” seems passive aggressive. Is it often not worth it? Who is the driver of this? Could have challenged her in a way that made it sexy for her and you the prize… “show me what you’ve got” etc… You are in the stage where you are more focused on your ego and “wins” vs. living your life. Of course that means you are still in the shadow… Read more »
Marelius, “Then I respond, “Lets see it its worth it.” Not necessary…she was legit horny. You were emotionally elsewhere and took your frustration out on her, beta move. So, she comes back with a beta bait: “It’s up to you.” Now you’ve aced yourself out of a lay, restful sleep and a clear headed day. To fuck her is no big deal but it will register that she can’t get you to fuck by her unilateral desire means…but can by stressing the situation into a battle of wits. Oops. On to this: Congratulations, you’ve reversed the frame. Now…you’re holding it… Read more »
IAS I’d say they were intrigued/interested but certainly not enough to invest. This is what we mean by “if there is any doubt, then there is no doubt” I just didn’t know what to do to DHV more without falling into their “give me your validation” Frame. Your not yet hooking, so don’t worry about being a dancing monkey… Get them hooked. Review Chapter 6… A2 and DHV’ing… https://conquistaperfeita.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/The-Mystery-Method-How-to-Get-Beautiful-Women-Into-Bed.pdf also – i think you’ve gone out and gamed a handful of times? You need to step up and do more work. After two dozen, 50 or a hundred nights out,… Read more »
So, let me get this straight. Wife is horny and initiates sex/offer. Missing chains create frustration. Off handed, ill advised reply ensues. No sex, artificial release achieved alone. This isn’t a matter of frame as executed. Her morning comment serves to define who has frame, as she states ” want you to want me “. Having an active sex life makes this scenario no huge deal, but caution not to make it any kind of manipulative habit seeking an upper hand. Don’t accidentally squelch real desire. The answer should always be ” challenge accepted ” followed by earth shattering sex.… Read more »
Burden
For real.
@Marelius. None of my comments are criticisms. Merely different ways to see things. With red pill advice suspend disbelief of your emotions and test for whether something works, can it work, should it work. It’s a praxeology. Use what works, test it. “Wife works from home, and office is in BR, so not ideal situation. She makes quite a lot of money, so there it is. We are not going to change her office location for many reasons, so please don’t focus on that.” You can’t possibly ask to not focus on that. Because it makes a difference in the… Read more »
Thanks for the replies. I appreciate the harsh light of reality you all have shed on this. “…at some point after you’ve re-established yourself all you have to do is avoid communicating too much, slipping into old beta habits, which is harder than you think after unplugging.” “I’ve realized the extended reconstruction battle habituates men into a win-lose frame of mind, to an expected dynamic of stimulus-response. When you succeeded in defeating your past failures, it’s like a runners high. You’re kinda addicted to the conflict as when you “win” you feel vindicated.” I think you’re right that this experience… Read more »
@Marelius In that Frame that you are in right now don’t think that Frame is power. It’s not. It’s just who you are and what you think, anchored by what you feel. Just keep moving towards having great Marelius Frame. Attractive, Alpha Masculine, Fun, adding Value and something any girl would find desirable to fuck. Work towards that. Your long held beliefs are just that: Long held below the surface beliefs anchored by your reference experiences, relevant needs, assumptions and beliefs. IOW your ideologies no matter what choices are in front of you. Rethink your old beliefs with Red Pill… Read more »
@ Marelius,
“The next step in this path seems to be to move from the win/lose mindset to the win/win mindset without giving away the frame that I have recovered.”
You’re feeling it now….good.
Check this:
You’ve seen the benefits moving from Beta to Alpha 1.0. It’s too dramatic not to.
Moving from Alpha 1.0>Alpha 2.0 doesn’t get much attention as guys here are thrashing around with buffers and other Pyrrhic victories.
Alpha 2.0 is where it’s at, my man. It’s a Buddha-like existence. Win-win.
Biggest issue: Missing chains create frustration. Frustration…not letting go of it… Her morning comment serves to define who has frame, as she states ” want you to want me “. Women always want to be desired–a request for validation. This is a cat who is so frustrated that she starts speaking dog…by speaking dog, she’s in his frame, but she is signaling that there is a problem…his frame is screwed up because he is frustrated and he needs to work on that…which frustration his wife sees as weakness…he needs to not be a bitch of his emotions So the answer… Read more »
Master of bread?
I wish I was rolling in dough…
“his frame is screwed up because he is frustrated and he needs to work on that”
@asd
He needs to fuck his horny wife more. Problem solved.
@Eh
The “horniness” is a shit test…she’s really just looking for validation…if he doesn’t provide it, then it will be because he is weak…fucking will treat the symptom, not the underlying cause.
You think a horny woman is shit testing?
4 realz?
ASD, you seem to get wrapped around the axle WRT female motives and intentions more than the average OMG (but generally less than the AFC or SYG). Is that because of your being on the spectrum? I have relatives that live in that space, too, so I can easily see how it might present a constant barrier to getting a valid/calibrated lead on the woman in question’s emotional state. It seems like you compensate for the low gain on your emotional sensors with extra analysis (pseudo or otherwise). The basis for my conclusion is in your last remark. The very… Read more »
ASD, that also reminds me to say something I’ve been thinking about for a few days now. You cannot “Game” your wife if you have been married for any significant length of time (2, 5, 7, 10+years maybe – not sure where the threshold lies). Sure, you can play “games” with her or with yourself, but unless she is a complete airhead, and I do mean complete, with NO capacity to remember and learn, then you are not following the same startup process. This means that you always have some commonality and shortcuts available to you that would sabotage if… Read more »
Marelius
You cannot “Game” your wife if you have been married for any significant length of time
Completely false. Game works because of its evo/bio/psych basis. If your wife is female, Game is going to work on her. Game is predictive response to stimulus. So your wife is going to fitness test to until her dying days… and you are going to fail or pass them. Pass them with game.
AWALT is AWALT. Don’t confuse “routine” with “game”.
Marelius
Like your whole deal the other night… Validation hoop presented by wife. How do you pass? Take the hoop, have her jump through. Now she is in your frame.
All basic MM game.
Similar infield situation “buy me a drink!’…
http://www.pualingo.com/hoop-theory/ Hoop theory is the basic idea behind a compliance test. Often, when a girl asks a man to do something for her, she is trying to see if she can get him to comply by jumping through the hoop. AFCs will usually jump straight through without hesitation, in a show of supplication, compliance, and beta-male behavior. Such approval seeking behavior is a DLV and is very unattractive. A PUA will only do a favor for an HB after she has done something for him (i.e. buying her breakfast after sex). PUAs can also throw hoops or reverse frame a… Read more »
ASD, you seem to get wrapped around the axle WRT female motives and intentions more than the average OMG Calibrating a woman’s emotions is standard game–whether pickup or LTR…Blax does it, too…he just doesn’t talk about it a lot…I’m sure Rollo does it and so does SJF and, of course, Sentient. Just because you gave the cow a ring, doesn’t mean you’re gonna get milk without putting in the work to squeeze the tits. AFCs think that sex comes automatically just because you married a girl. Big mistake. I get shit tests all the time…Mrs. Gamer just thinks that she’s… Read more »
Game is predictive response to stimulus.
I put it less technically–game is getting people to do what you want…sales…negotiation…pickup…relationships…pretty much anything in a social setting (where “social” means “not a hermit”)
Game being conflated with pua yet again. Sadness abounds. Lol. I’m not speaking for asd. He can speak well enough for himself. But… I’ve been hearing this ” ..if you don’t close stuff for years here, and that is a function of the pua mantra, not specifically Game. Pua concentrates on SNL’s and ONS’s and getting the girl isolated etc. That’s all specific to the pua mechanism and not Game so to speak. In the sphere though, the 2 things are being hopelessly intertwined. Re: closing. If you are ” gaming ” a chick, and she a) offers to come… Read more »
You got to be shitting us Marelius. How long have you been reading Rollo? Or Red Pill or Game. Are you aware of Married Red Pill reddit and the sidebar material? Absence of evidence that you are seeing is not evidence of absense that married red pill game works, monogamy or no monogamy. It works fantastically well in the right hands and the right mindset. But it is probabilistic, not deterministic. And there is plenty of writings on it and evidence that it works over the last 6 years in the manosphere. And many testimonials that it has worked well… Read more »
@Blax Do I have game? Since I started going out four plus years ago, I asked three girls seriously to go to my truck…two agreed and tried to talk me into having sex with them, which I avoided. The one who didn’t go to the truck still wanted to be alone with me twice and she was giggling and acting goofy when we were alone, like a girl who is thinking about having sex. And she chased me for several years. And her eyes are glued to me whenever I’m around, which is damn seldom. One girl approached me late… Read more »
The cool kids are calling it finesse now https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=finesse “ If you are ” gaming ” a chick, and she a) offers to come home with you b) asks outright if you wanna fuck c) Grabs your dick” In my experience this rarely happens. If she does this and you take her home, you guys gonna fuck ASAP. There ain’t gonna be no last minute fucking up, unless you retarded. But more often than not, girls will give you that look that they want you to take them home or will be receptive to coming home with you but you… Read more »
Reposting this LR from NextASF. Here’s how bacchus handled the end game: “Hung out with the group for a while. None of her friends were as attractive as she was, and thus were not worth my time. But I figured it wouldn’t hurt to be seen surrounded by a group of girls who each took turns grinding on me. An hour passed by. Now its 2 am. Made my way outside club. I’m still with the group as they figure out how they’re going to get home. There’s some talk of splitting Ubers. I hear someone trying to get my… Read more »
Black
Game being conflated with pua yet again. Sadness abounds. Lol.
Guilty as charged. Not sound, however, since I am trying to get it straight and incorporate the changes I’ve been learning about. Clearly I’ve been gaming pretty successfully, but not enacting PUA.
ASD, I we read your post. Tough crowd, but it’s worth the effort. Thanks
Not sad. Black, your spell checker is contagious.
Once more Blax – see what I mean?
Sad not sound, dammit.
@j ““ If you are ” gaming ” a chick, and she a) offers to come home with you b) asks outright if you wanna fuck…. J: In my experience this rarely happens. Funny you took Blax literally. I didn’t. IMO, he’s making a point by flagrancy. But…abguydiesnt need a quarter that to know he’s getting done if he stays true to what got him to that point and not overdoing it and moving her smoothly along. I’ve had my wife in my pants at clubs and me, hers. I had her straddling me recently in public too. I might… Read more »
“News just in: fractionation is fucking great.” agree. works in all kinds of social situations “Hours flew by. I wasn’t bothered.” there’s the problem. HOURS invested in an old mom. fucking an old mom ain’t shit “Listened to her talk about her kids, the divorce from her ex-husband and other shit.” sounds dick shrinking. hope that old pussy is worth it. if pua artistry comes down to, “listen to her talk about her bullshit so you can fuck her” then it should be renamed “relationship” “And with the Milf, her eventually sexual desire grew to a point where she started… Read more »
But…a guy doesn’tt need a quarter that to know he’s getting some if he stays true to what got him to that point.
@marelius
Man, I know exactly what you mean about spellchecker.
@ Eh
” Funny you took Blax literally. I didn’t. IMO, he’s making a point by flagrancy…”
Uhhh, no, I was 100% serious.
@fleezer “older looser requires way more effort than younger tighter.” True dat. The next night: “We had a sleazy idea to sneak into the bathroom but it was too heavily guarded. I suggested we head back to my place instead. She told me she had work early the next morning. That wasn’t a no. After looking at my lips with that sultry expression again. Thinking about it for a couple beats, she added. “You could come back to my place, but you can’t sleep over because I have to get to work really early.” Fine by me. I wasn’t the… Read more »
Well, Jesus, yes, that happens too but the point is a guy shouldn’t need such flagrancy to know he’s about to get some.
Women want to fuck all. the. time. A guy should know this before she’s screaming FUCK ME ALREADY!
Except in the Marelius household.
Marelius is honest and trying to get some stuff cleared up in his mind. Go easy.
k.
Fleezer
““Listened to her talk about her kids, the divorce from her ex-husband and other shit.”
sounds dick shrinking. hope that old pussy is worth it.”
The Thin Man at Sedfast calls it “emotional disrobing”. He is spot on.
Buuuut…. Yoga pants in the club? No.
Blax
“if you have banged enough women over a long enough timeframe, you should know whether or not you can bang them unless you harbor some kind of brain damage. ”
The devil is in these details. Capitalize IF… Ok then. Otherwise capitalize ELSE…
@ j
Do you know how old this bacchus dude is?
Bachus is early 20s.
Ohhhhh. Okay. That explains the fr.
Tanks.
“Then she told me she wanted it faster and harder. So. I. Did. Exactly. That.”
“Even licked my balls. ”
“fractionation” lol in the old days we called it “pussy-teasing” or just “foreplay” these younger guys think that they have discovered water lol foreplay…yesterday I told Mrs. Gamer she could have an afternoon delight…it was a workday for her and I wasn’t enthused…busy with other things…in the evening she napped until she went to bed, lol…I told you all that she has health issues…so, the next morning I said that we’d do it after breakfast…she got into something sexy and found me at my computer… of course girls like it fast and hard…the harder the better…and getting their asses slapped… Read more »
“ If you are ” gaming ” a chick, and she a) offers to come home with you b) asks outright if you wanna fuck c) Grabs your dick” In my experience this rarely happens. Never so overtly. Even when they are hitting on you. Maybe they’ll do this if they’re drunk. Here’s what I’ve seen… “I’m leaving now” as she waits, lasering you, with a quizzical look…cat-o-nese for “I wanna fuck you” gives you a big bear hug out in the parking lot and lasers you with a quizzical look lasers you nonstop while you’re dancing and isn’t talking… Read more »
… asd, we have different life experiences.
@Blax Were you discussing your club experiences with strangers you just met? Mrs. Gamer has done two out of three…probably not “I want to come home with you” because we’re typically already home, lol…if you’ve already fucked a girl, she’ll feel free to be overt… Mrs. Gamer likes to mess with my package when I’m not expecting it…even in public when she thinks she won’t be seen…it annoys me slightly, but it’s fun even so…I play up my annoyance, of course, and laugh …she also likes to boob graze my arm as we’re walking together from/to the car…I try to… Read more »
I wasn’t big on club pickups, but even tho, we still had very different experiences.
My 1st wife wasn’t my first sex partner. Not by a mile. And I didn’t really have any true ” girlfriends ” after the first one at 13. 1 or 2 here and there.
I’ll spare readers here the details because it’s not really important, but you and I my man? from different planets.
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/lO55bXERYAWx.gif
…and that’s cool.
lol @ ” nipped your ear “. That’s precious.
@Blax yeah, the autism thing figured into my experiences a lot I had two gf’s, including Mrs. Gamer…some pussy fingering and makeouts when I was 15-16…I was sexually retarded, lol, and finally had sex at 19…no gf until 21 and that only lasted 8 mos…Mrs. Gamer came after my 1st gf broke up with me I’ll spare readers here the details because it’s not really important, but you and I my man?from different planets. Sounds like you might know Mork…and that would be awesome!… …if you don’t wanna reveal where you got your lays, that’s cool… With my autism, I… Read more »
@blax
”Do you know how old this bacchus dude is?”
I tihnk he’s like 22. He’s also a model apparently, so maybe not teh best guy to learn ‘game’ from!! lol. Girls must make it VERY easy for you whnen you are like a 9 in looks
McKay Yeah, I ask because his fr reads like a very young and inexperienced guy. Like, he’s acting like a 16 year old versus ” grown man sex”, lol. But everybody has to learn and gain experience, so you don’t wind up sitting around listening to some broad talk about her ex husband. I never begrudge any man for how he gets laid, as long as he gets laid, but I hold he progresses so that yoga pants wearing olderd milfs don’t become any kind of key demographic for him. Model types still need good game, probably better skills than… Read more »
”Model types still need good game, probably better skills than non model dudes.” What makes you say that out of interest? I have a wing who is not a model, but he could be. Like he gets girls drooling over him and starring at him non-stop. Girls open him and flirt with him and tell he he’s hot etc. He matches with just about every girl likes on tinder and he pulls at the click of his fingers with seemingly no ‘game’. I’m convinced that if me and him switched faces , we’d switch sex lives too. 100% convinced lol… Read more »
@Mckay On Bacchus’ looks: “Bacchus is fairly good looking, but he’s not getting freebies based on looks. He’s tall thin and has a unique look hence the modeling. Having been out with him I never felt he had an undue advantage over me with girls based on looks, and I’m just ok” […] “A guy can talk away his good looks in about 3 seconds Field tested Looks is not even close to number one factor for girls Confidence is” “he pulls at the click of his fingers with seemingly no ‘game’.” lol: http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/7/#comment-rationalmale-161989 Skip to: @The Awakened One “Been… Read more »
McKay ” What makes you say that out of interest? I have a wing who is not a model, but he could be. Like he gets girls drooling over him and starring at him non-stop. Girls open him and flirt with him and tell he he’s hot etc. He matches with just about every girl likes on tinder and he pulls at the click of his fingers with seemingly no ‘game’.” Looks, muscularity ( to an extent..), money – these things get you more immediate attention. The attention comes without having to try. What happens after that can be unpredictable… Read more »
McKay
Looks is a fantastic advantage. But if you don’t have looks it doesn’t matter to you. Focus on you.
”“he pulls at the click of his fingers with seemingly no ‘game’.”” I have them friends. One models for ASOS In my experience, with very good looks, you don’t really need ‘game’ – you just need to not be a TOTAL 100% oddball! I think the bit about a good looking guy ‘talking away his good looks in 3 secs’ isn’t true personally. I mean sure, it’s possible, but He’d need to be super super weird! A very good looking guy who literally has girls walking up too him and touching him and giving him compliments etc just needs a… Read more »
Scars
Yes PUA sells by pushing cloaked equalism… Every guy can learn game and pull!
It’s not true.
Game is available to most, yet many if not most will fail to do the work to make it work.
And good looking guys get “free” IOIs… Free? To whom?
IOIs are IOIs…
Sharing a routine I was working on to take a chick from a loud area (ex: dance floor) to quiet area (smoking area/lounge). This is just to give guys some ideas to come up with your own personal routines. she has a drink in her hand Walk up “Is that [type of liquor]” (Blah blah) “what is that like your 5th drink tonight” (to spike) or “Is that what you normally drink” (Blah blah) “Do you have any crazy drinking/drunk stories” (Blah blah) “Interesting have you ever had mezcal? It’s like the main liquor of Mexico. When I was in… Read more »
Of course not every guy can learn Game and successfully pull. But the tools and knowledge *are* available to every guy. The reason they fail is almost always because they are unwilling to put in the effort required to rewire mental pathways and identity and learn it properly – which can take months to years of significant effort (depending on your starting point and where you want to end up). It’s a bit like saying “not every guy can go to the gym and get a six pack”. In the vast majority of cases it’s a lack of motivation and… Read more »
@culum I kind of feel i’m the opposite, lol. IF a girl thinks i’m good looking (very rare), and i’ve got blatant attraction, I can usually get the lay. Like, I don’t think it’s hard from that point!!? I just isolate them, kiss them a bit, do some ‘small talk’ so that they see me as a ‘real person’ (as Julien would say) and then invite them back to mine (or suggest going to there place) for a ‘drink’. It’s why I feel if I was handsome, i’d be a big time slayer! My problem is getting attraction! That’s the… Read more »
Culum is a sexy beast.
McKay, focus on your subcomms next time you go out. Come back and report them to us.
Pointing out the obvious:
There’s no bankable quality to sex in the female mind. You’re only as good as your last performance.
@IAS props on getting out the door to sarge… especially solo… that shit ain’t easy… just skimming so this probably has been addressed already since you’re getting great advice… but re your FR… conceptually, the A2 that you are looking for is in RESPONSE to your A1 = DHV… that A2 response could be from your subcomms but it only ‘counts’ when it is a response to YOU doing something (as probable alpha stud….) swagger over to girl, who sees you coming over to her in a confident way, and she THEN smiles = 1… etc…. you can count them… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=164&v=HE-2E8G9f3c
Max offering the path to a beautiful deep relationship with the girl of your dreams…
@IAS
also, I forgot to mention that MM’s “bait, hook, reel, release…” definitely will NOT hurt you the more you do it to a girl…lol… she just ‘falls in love with you more’…lol
again, conceptually, this is the difference btwn ‘giving value’ (wanting to have fun and giving her emotions… bc you know what is going on… and she can’t/doesn’t want to ‘know’…) and ‘taking value’ (wanting to be able to meet a minimum amount of effort to get laid…)
good luck!
“Max offering the path to a beautiful deep relationship with the girl of your dreams…” exchanging numbers? meeting for coffee? “that one moment your lips touch for the first time”? eat me. here’s how I open that girl: me: “you got good hookups in this city, right?” her: “excuse me?” me: “drencrom. i need it. help me out” her: “what the hell is drencrom?” me: “ever had an abortion?” instead of exchanging numbers and meeting for coffee date number 10,000, i take her immediately to the dark side and go for the nuclear blowout if I get slapped, no biggie.… Read more »
@McKay: “Like, I don’t think it’s hard from that point!!? I just isolate them, kiss them a bit, do some ‘small talk’ so that they see me as a ‘real person’ (as Julien would say) and then invite them back to mine (or suggest going to there place) for a ‘drink’.” Yeah it’s not hard at all. Unless you’re (like I was, 15 years ago) a 23 year old virgin who doesn’t KNOW he needs to do all that stuff even when he has (true story) a girl come up to him on the dance floor and grind at a… Read more »
Back from my week long sojourn to the “big smoke” and feeling all the better for it, gentlemen. Played a well received set of my electronic music on Sunday night to close a gig in an arts warehouse, then was having such a good time socialising that i stayed on for a couple more nights. I met up with some other music producers living there and we hung out in the evenings sharing sonic creations, playing chess and smoking some pot. That was good enough in itself, but on the morning after the event i was in the kitchen and… Read more »
Yeah palma, i’ve been thinking that i could’ve hit it a bit harder on both of them and now that i’m back alone on the ranch i’m starting to doubt myself again. Having some brief text flirts with the Persian who seems into it, but i’m going to hold off for the weekend until she contacts me first. Back in the day i was so used to girls being overtly interested but now i seem to be second guessing myself. Like, the sexy German came to the event i invited her to without knowing i was closing the gig after… Read more »
Fox
So i’m no 50yo has been, but can’t seem to close anymore…
Where did you try and close?
Fox I lurv your getting back out there etc. but if you think that that FR is going to produce, you need to re-examine things. All I see is typically nice guy beta stuff on display, with a hint of sugaring. whilst i keep producing more music which i will feed her in dribs and drabs, and we shall see how things unfold… I mean, you might get her to come by with this stuff… when she needs something (validation/place to stay/warm body/resources/emotional support – a hundred other things girls get when they seek a beta). You need to realize… Read more »
Too true, palma. That’s how i used to roll with great success. I’ll call them both and see what happens. When i turned 40 my new g/f was a sexy 22yo who actually propositioned me at a festival. I know i’ve still got it, i just gotta be bold again and be outcome independent…
Cheers Sentient. You’re also right on the $. I am being too beta and coming from a place of scarcity in my head, and yes, i really didn’t try and close. I totally bottled it. I was being the nice guy beta. Fuck it, man, i gotta get bold again. I know i’m pedastalising these younger chicks. I know that if she wasn’t interested she wouldn’t have come (German girl), let alone dressed sexy. She did have her friends as support (in fact it was her g/f who spotted me first at the event and said to babe, “There he… Read more »
Fox
Why do you think the Persian was “cooler” when you saw her that last night?
Maybe because i was partying a little because i got bored of waiting for her to arrive back, Sentient, i’m really not sure of any other reason? I was still pretty much together. She told me she did “Kundalini yoga” over her shoulder, flirting with me. I reckon the answer’s obvious. I just wasn’t hitting her hard enough. The thing is, she’s new living in the warehouse where i played so would be conscious of her rep perhaps, and i was conscious not to be too overtly hitting on a chick who lived there. But my mate who has lived… Read more »
Fox
I suspect that here
“enquired as to whether or not i was staying that night? She was happy when i said i was but that i’d be leaving early next morning. ”
After you failed to bust a move back… She no longer had any doubt.