Dangers of the Blue Pill

This clip arrived in my Twitter stream a couple of days ago and I was going to dismiss it until I read through some of the comments about this guy on the ensuing Twitter thread. I’m going to give you my take on what I think is really going on here and then I’ll contrast this with how other viewers interpreted this incident. I was about to pass on this until the conversation really made this an interesting social experiment.

I have seen things like this before. Remember, for the better part of my ‘real job’ career I’ve been around a lot of people who are socializing and drinking. I watch guys pick up women, I watch women pick up guys, and I’ve seen a lot of couples argue in public. One thing that these couples all have in common (or at least 90% of them) is the guy trying his damnedest to get his girlfriend/wife to ‘come around to him’. As you may guess, the majority of these men were Betas who ‘just didn’t get it‘ and were appealing to their woman’s reason in order to resolve whatever it is that was making her turn off to him.

Again, most of these guys were oblivious to the fact that their trying to reason with her was only emphasizing the fact that he just didn’t get it, and that she was paired off with a guy who needed to be told how to get it.

The guy with the capacity to call a woman’s bluff with a confidence that implies she is to be worthy of him rather than the other way around is the Man to be competed for. Essentially the ‘chick speak’, ‘chick advice’ phenomenon is a shit test writ large on a social scale. And even your own mother and sisters are in on it, expecting you to ‘get it’; to get the message and see the challenge for what it really is, without overtly telling you.

She want’s you to ‘get it’ on your own, without having to be told how. That initiative and the experience needed to have had developed it makes you a Man worth competing for. Women despise a man who needs to be told to be dominant. Overtly relating this to a guy entirely defeats his credibility as a genuinely dominant male. The guy she wants to fuck is dominant because that’s ‘the way he is’ instead of who she had to tell him to be.

Observing the process will change it. This is the root function of every shit test ever devised by a woman. If masculinity has to be explained to a man, he’s not the man for her.

I have been this guy before. I’m not happy to admit that, but in my 20s, during the time I was with the BPD girl she made a habit of airing out her insane jealousy, insecurities and general relationship disorders as publicly as possible. When this becomes a way of life for a guy it changes you and particularly when it’s part of a woman’s personal neurosis. At that point in my life I had fallen very Beta (almost Omega by Vox’s standards) and I made all of the same mistakes I see guys in this predicament make when I’m working. I also know better than to try to correct these guys, because, like myself, they can get really hostile towards you or themselves when you point out the obvious to them.

So, a couple of caveats here; I don’t know for sure what’s transpired before or after this incident, and I have no idea if the guy is imbalanced (I’m being polite). It could be him, it could be her, likely it’s both, but I do know the patterns and I can see that the guy will resort to self-injury to make a point. This is a classic expression of Blue Pill Beta frustration with a girl.

The girl could be blameless and he’s just a nerdy Blue Pill Beta reacting to his frustration in not understanding how to resolve whatever it is that set him off with her. I’ve watched a lot of guys in the ‘Gamer’ social set who fall into this type. They buy into the “open communication is the key to everything” ideal that the Blue Pill told them women want, so when that ‘open communication’ is actually the reason for his problems he gets frustrated. Women are supposed to be reasonable, co-equal egalitarian agents in a relationship and when his appeals to that reason are ineffective, what’s left for the kid?

Again, this is me speculating. What we do know is his reaction. Imagine if this guy had actually broken the window and cut himself (and maybe a few bystanders) to ribbons. I mention this because it’s the reaction I’d expect from the Blue Pill mind that makes a guy believe that killing or hurting himself will in someway emphasize the seriousness with which he wants to resolve the issue he believes is crucial to his happiness with a woman. This is one of the main reasons I’ve always said kill the Beta before it kills you. There’s a very real danger that a Beta mindset will lead to you or someone else’s injury or death.

I’m actually inclined to think that the incident was his own doing though. She seems indifferent to him even after the head bang, but likely that might be due to embarrassment. She’s certainly frustrated with his attempts to get her to “listen to him”.

I’ve mentioned this before, but as women have become more self-assured about their own personal safety they feel more secure in provoking physical altercations. I understand that women love to say that they feel threatened by men all the time, or they have to always think about their personal safety no matter where they are, but I really don’t see this in real life – certainly not at my own promos. In fact it’s quite the opposite. I have seen women on many occasions (both drunk and sober) deliberately instigate confrontations that never needed to be started. All of them did so from a feeling of invulnerability because they know that no man would dare to actually assault her while she could wail on him with impunity. I think this is a new social trend with women today. They understand that if the guy she was hitting actually hit back there would be half a dozen men in the room who would beat his ass for raising a fist, much less his voice, to her. Women know the power that an opportunity to defend a woman has over men; it’s a confirmation of the old social contract that women still expect men to adhere to.

I’ve also seen women start altercations with other women in the same confidence that her man will fight the other woman’s man if the two of them get into a fight. They do so by appealing to their man’s Alphaness (or lack thereof) and having her back no matter what – even when she’s being stupid, catty or drunk. It’s kind of a new play on the ‘Lets you and him fight’ social convention, but if cooler heads prevail and one or both men pull their women away from the other they just look like pussies or less than men. Again, this is one more way women can socially reserve their bestowing or confirming manhood on a man.

Is any of this happening here? Likely no, but it’s important to remember these things in context with incidents like this. That’s important, because a few of the female readers of this Twitter thread seemed to think that, rather than his kid being a potentially terminal Beta, he had the potential to be an abuser. In fact this was their first impression. I guess I can sort of see this from a woman’s perspective, but I really think the Sisterhood Über Alles kicks in when women see something like this. Always take the woman’s side first.

I think women see this through the girl’s eyes. They understand what she’s going through in having the guy try to ‘logic’ her into understanding. They understand the girl’s frustration at just having to deal with this Beta.

I’ve probably done a really bad job at this, but my intent here is not to beat this guy up over this whole thing. When I first watched this clip I thought, “Yep, been there, done that”, and like this guy I was in my 20s when I did. It seems like this is something men must learn for themselves as part of their unplugging. I think one thing that makes unplugging more difficult today is that the stakes are so much higher when a guy just ‘doesn’t get it’. There are guys who never get past any of these Blue Pill trials because they make bad decisions that seemed logical or profound at the time and they have to live with the consequences for failing that Blue Pill trial.

I would bet that this guy is still with this girl today. Even with this going slightly viral I doubt he’s learned anything from the experience and I’m sure he’s still trying to figure out how to make this pudgy little HB 3 happy. His head bang against a window (which he had no idea was plexiglass) is really a manifestation of his own self-loathing. He wont hit her, he’ll hurt himself to make his point. This is what guys like this have been taught, to express his emotions, but in this instance that emotion is angst and frustration.

It’s easy to think that guys like this are too far gone. It’s easy for guys who’ve been Red Pill aware for a long time to dismiss Beta behaviors that they were also subject to, but have been so far removed from now that they think shit like this doesn’t happen.

790 comments

  1. Marquis,

    I don’t have all the facts but how’s this:

    Guys here know all girls fuck and want to fuck, everyday, everyway, and girls that are notent are thinking about it and given the right ASD opportunity will take it.

    Except yours….right?

  2. Marquis

    I genuinely don’t see it.

    Many a tombstone reads similar… and you are not alone. This is COMMON…

    A younger married guy started sharing with our group about his wife’s job, she started travelling to “cool” cities with her boss… All very professional mind you, she was getting her shot, climbing the ladder, right? More stories about some “cool” restaurants her boss showed her in XYZ cities, you know, places we might want to check out when there… Nothing to think about right? Great opportunity for her to be on the boss’s good side, him showing interest in her and all. Good for her career… And these comments where just dropped in here and there, nothing urgent, just oh by the way kind of things… for a few months…

    Then one day he mentions he is buying another house. Oh as an investment? cool. well yes, but it is around the corner from his house, his wife thought it was a good buy, and she could use it for her crafts and storage… prices where going up you know, good opportunity. Maybe they could rent it out down the line etc. he was quite pleased…

    A few of us said “hold up. Play that back” and when we offered some “questions of concern” he shrugged them off, because you know NAWALT and we were paranoid and we just “didn’t understand”…

    No surprise a few months after closing on this place and him painting it and her decorating it… she hits him with the ILYBINILWY speech… Seems she and her boss had a “real connection” after all…

    Silly fucker moped around confused because “how could this happen?” and “There were no signs”…

    I don’t know what the fuck your wife is up to. I’m just saying, if you smell smoke, you check it out. Her text, that was smoke…

    But you laid out you aren’t down for the “what if”, you don’t mind if some other dude is banging her, you don’t want to rock the boat.

    To each his own.

  3. I’m confused, but following along as best I can.

    Marquis, 1 question as I wrapping my head around all of this – why have bad sex? Why ” always ” have bad sex?

    My 2 cents = if a woman/wife isn’t making you her priority, it’s pretty much the same as cheating. The actual other man’s penis in her vagina/mouth and possibly her ass is only the icing on the cake. Mental cheating precedes the physical most of the time.

  4. Marquis,

    What makes u that special guy?

    What MRP game you waging?

    Why should she mateguarding for you?

    If you think sex with her has always been bad, does she think the same of you?

  5. @ boulderhead: interesting perspective/ideas, gracias. Have to give it due reflection.

    @ The Marquis: you’re having to put in an awful lot of (mental) right rudder just to keep it tracking straight – because it wants to flip hard left.

    The needing to push full rudder just to stay on heading — that’s the clue we’re picking up on.

  6. I think I’ve told the story of something I’d witnessed in highschool before, but wtf, I tell the story again because watching the video in the op immediately reminded me.

    OK, school lets out and kids are crowded together heading for the bus lot or the student parking lot. Young couple arguing causes a small crowd to gather and watch the fuckery. 17 yearnold female that look remarkably like Suzanne Phleshette ( young version ) is trying to walk away from her wailing boyfriend as he keeps blocking her path, demanding that she ” talk to him “.

    Eventually she screams at the tippy top of her lungs for him to get away from her. He grabs her by the shoulders and looks deep in her eyes and yells ” but I LOVE you!!!!!!!! “. She responds by pulling a nail file out of her purse and proceeds to stab him repeatedly in his chest and shoulders. He did not relent or release his grip, but with each thrust of the nail file into his flesh, he said ” I love you..”.

    Damdest thing I’d ever seen.

    After about 10 nail file stabs, his white shirt was filling up with blood stains. A couple of girl by standers grabbed the offender and pulled her away. Her expression was blank. Suddenly the crowd dispersed like roaches when the lights come on. The vice principal had descended from his office, and was coming to see wtf was going on. The boy did not move and stood there with his bloody shirt, the stains forming a kind of tye dye pattern.

    The principal demanded to know what happened. The boy said ” nothing “. The principal pulled him into the building by the collar. He never broke or gave up his attacker. Somebody else ratted her out to the administration, lol.

    In another case, I was hanging with my friends, and we came across a couple arguing in the stairwell of a 5 story walkup. 8 of us waited at the bottom of the stairs eavesdropping and laughing as then guy begged and pleaded with the girl about something that we couldn’t determine.

    After a few minutes, we heard 3 or 4 very loud thuds, and the dudes body came crashing down on the railing next to us. Motherfucker jumped over the railing above and fell 4 stories, banging on each floor rail on his way down.

    The girl went into her apartment and slammed the door behind her.

    Dude was conscious, but his face and head were swelling up right before our eyes, like a sick magic trick. One of my friends ran upstairs to the girl’s apartment, and banged on the door yelling for her to call an ambulance. No cell phones back in the day, lol. She informed through the door that she ” didn’t give a fuck if he died “.

    I felt bad for the poor sap, so I ran outside to a payphone and called for an ambulance. When the ambulance came, so did the police. We told the cops what happened, and they went and knocked on the girl’s door. She refused to open it. We started chanting ” break it down…break it down…”, and after a sergeant came on scene, the cops kicked the door off the fuxking hinges, taking half the door frame with it. It was spectacular.

    There was a massive struggle in the apartment, and after a while the cops emerged with the girl, hogtied and with her tits hanging out ofnher torn shirt.

    We heard that the dude lapsed into a coma in the hospital the next day. We never saw him after that.

    But, that chick had some awesome titties though. Round and pert like cantaloupes. But I wouldn’t jump off a curb over them.

  7. 8 months into my LTR breakup and I finally downloaded some dating apps and had a date and sex with another chick just to get the monkey off my back. Meh. Bouts of confidence followed by bouts of doubt. I still think of my ex almost every single night.

  8. “There are no good PUAs left in the entire manosphere; 99% of blogs are actually game denialists (ie they literally don’t think cold-approach works, like Roosh for example).”

    why would a man read something he knows to be false and then be disquieted by it? cold appraoch works. fin. now find the .1% of content that resonates with you and helps you reach your goals and spend your precious time focused on that instead

    “PUA has been systematically suppressed as a solution for young men by Nazis and socially conservative traditionalists for Many years at this point.”

    you’re fucking kidding, right? we all here, not bein’ suppressed, so I don’t know what planet you on. also, I’ve seen with my own eyes Rollos book in a fucking public library. suppressed? lol

    “Ever since he left it’s got worse, to the point where flat-out Jezebel talking points are repeated word for word by supposed “anti-feminists”

    pua aligns with feminism. the jezebel spirit is just another resource to be exploited. they all have it and it’s fun to play with. if i felt like running game at a super progressive pro late term abortion rally, i could. and then next month i could go to a super conservative anti any abortion rally and game there too. we all know that you could take any girl from one side, and with just a bit of time and dicking, get her to join up with her former opposition. they don’t have actual beliefs, so it just depends on what kind of pussy you want and what you intend to do with it

    “Here, people pay lip-service to “game” as a abstract concept, but it’s obvious how little people who are posting actually respect it, and how surface level the understanding is.”

    i am fine tuning my game on a daily basis to the point that i can make complete strangers bite their lower lip within 5 min., touch themselves, play with their necklace, blush, giggle, get fucking nervous. i can see the gears turning, juices starting to flow just a little. is my understanding surface level? of course. this is an emerging interdisciplinary field with huge knowldege gaps and massive amounts of bad data and disinformation

    telling novices they are novices is no great revelation. a good reminder though because while others are complaining about how a big bully did this or that, I’m simply getting better and better and stronger and stronger and my reference experience set is growing, bombarded by positive feedback and encouraged by just about every straight attractive piece i encounter

    if ya’s game had evolved past breifly entertaining club rats he would have kept posting. it didn’t, so he doesn’t

    you’re a bitch, ya. i ate your game, kept what was worth keeping and shat out the rest. i practice on 15,000 under 22s and my only weakness is the wife. not because i can’t control it, but because i can. i can afford to be weak whenever i want and indulge in every single thing the world has to offer regardless of the cost

    abundance cannot be broken down like pickup can. you gotta feel it

  9. Eh

    It’s possible, but he was a pretty big guy. Plus it sounded like he was throwing himself against the walls or something prior to the great leap.

  10. More common in highschool was the car accident while engaged in arguing, man driving. Cars in ditches ( southern thing ) and into trees.

    I refused to argue in my car. I have put quite a few bitches out of the car if they started acting funny or were looking to spin me up or have an emotional confrontation. I loved my cars and I loved driving, so women needed to get with the program or walk. Nobody wanted to be kicked out at night on pitch black roads.

    In the city it’s much easier to just pull over and tell her to gtfo. Buses and cabs and now uber.

  11. Perhaps the timing of this article is a bit coincidental. I will share a story as well about a girl I’m currently seeing.. Long story short, two nights ago she tells me a story about her ex, because he texted her while we were together. The infamous, “he’s crazy” is thrown around regarding her ex, but I’m cautious as listen but she begins to show me many hot/cold emotional outburst texts, along with one of the most disturbing beta selfies I’ve ever seen (that i will explain later). As you might imagine, he’s classic BPD/Uber Beta type (lack of emotional self control/high-low mood swings/wildly insecure/violent & suicidal threats etc), and did not take the break up well to say the least. One night he follows (stalks) her to a party,waits outside, sending texts at a rapid pace as he is in an emotional tirade to get her attention. He decides her lack of responses need more action, so he breaks into the backdoor of this party with a pry bar and begins to swing on any man in her vicinity. Needless to say, he was stomped out pretty badly once pry bar is removed from his hands, and leaves a bloody mess. However, why stop there? He proceeds to go home, and begins sending more texts, each one increasingly more violent, until he simply sends a selfie with a gun to his head. Of course, attention now is granted, and he knows he has her hooked as that is what the BPD’s are masters at, then begins describing what it will feel like to be free from loving her..She went on to describe a few more “boys” that acted similar, in varying degrees. This is becoming all too common, but after asking a few pointed questions, what did all these boys have in common? Mommy raised, she was the dominant force in the house, the leader of the household in all her overbearing,protective, yet loving ways.

    Like I’ve said before, for fun at your next party or family get together, make a statement like, ‘Women can’t teach boys what it is to be a man” and watch the outrage and jaws drop. Then later, in a different crowd, replace Women with Me, and man with woman in the exact same sentence, and they will all agree with glee. Yet, masculinity is what is needed now more than ever. Red Pill (aka Game/Masculinity) Saves Lives, and we’ve got an epidemic on our hands that nobody but us cares about.

    P.S. The Austin Bomber kid recorded a message before he went “boom goes the dynamite”, describing pain he was going through, the isolation, etc. Would you want to bet it was about isolation, being an outcast, have no self confidence, lack of girls, etc? Game is Life or Death

  12. Nate
    “What fucking pisses me off is that this cucked society is constructed in such a way that boys are never raised to become men that “get it” in the first fucking place. Men are being cucked from birth. It’s like all of women have this breeding program conspiracy in the works, and they are willing to sacrifice their own sons to it. This was tried on me as a boy, but I was such an ADHD psycho that it didn’t work and I was able to push through to be my self centered asshole self. So many of my buddies growing up didn’t make it out though, and it’s sad to see so many of them getting cheated on and divorced raped now that we are all entering middle age. These are good dudes, salt of the earth and if I’m honest most are better people than me, but they are being thrown on the fire like so much kindling.”

    Resonates to the core… After dealing with suicide…. Hell your spelling out the routes of a system that wasn’t made to help you as a person but more as a product. The porn boom around 2004-2007 is a reflection of a time span ive noticed with cucked social mindware being brought up as normal behavior. I come from a very sexualized fem centrict household where women’s feel’s became the word of God. Especially from my mother. Porn is a reflection of what isnt and never has been real. The guys who know about game and how to apply it where always my hero’s because religion had such an overbearing grip on control in my life. The discourse i find to be hugely refreshing. If guys can get around to talk about something it can save someone from thinking their alone. Found out yesterday i guy in a group i am in was in a parking lot in NH talking about how he and his wife are getting into a divorce. That still and always has affected me. As a child my family would use that word to manipulate the outcome of desire. My mom through it around 98 percent of the time… This is how i always new men didn’t have as much control as i was being told even from a church setting.

  13. Fred Flange, GBFC (Great Books For Cucks)
    March 20, 2018 at 7:00 pm

    She made an impression because she knew the meaning of the word “defenestrate”.

    With me it was trigonometry. She could do it. So 40+ years and 4 kids later…..

  14. boulderhead
    March 20, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    like a saddle horse that stops to eat bushes and scratch on a tree.

    I was riding a mule (my buddy got the horse – he was a native) in Mexico (50 years ago) that I failed to dominate from the start. Boy did I get taken advantage of.

  15. “With me it was trigonometry.”

    I cosine that.

    A bonus point for laughing at “the sons of the squaw of the hippopotamus are equal to the sum of the sons of the other two hides.” Or even a groan, because that at least shows that she gets it.

  16. EhIntellect
    March 21, 2018 at 5:58 am

    A man has essentially one option if she’s out of hand: short term abandonment.

    No need to leave. Just stop talking to her. About anything. Silence. They hate it.

  17. @ Craiger247

    “She went on to describe a few more “boys” that acted similar, in varying degrees. This is becoming all too common, but after asking a few pointed questions, what did all these boys have in common?’

    Your girlfriend, for one.

    She’s got a thing for beta man manipulation?

  18. SJF
    March 21, 2018 at 9:50 pm

    I agree marriage is easy. She was just my LTR before the ceremony. And remained that way after.

    She was the product of a broken home and didn’t want that for her kids. She was 8 1/2 months pregnant when I finally said OK.

  19. She’s totally cheating on you.

    The only question is whether or not you actually give a shit, and, if so, if you have the fortitude and the resources to do anything about it.

    If so, it’s guaranteed to be a war of attrition. Prepare for a long game. You have a lot to learn before you can even begin.

  20. Cold approach only works if your frame is giving her an opportunity at least in equal measure (if not moreso) to ‘getting’ good reaction/attraction/number/date/sex.

    Otherwise cold approach is an automatic DLV. Any potential butthurt-ness / ‘trying to get’ and you are fucked from the get-go.There are ways to semi-warm approach that are fine (like just sit next to her at a bar, but that’s far different than walking across a room to approach). Would Hank Moody ever cold approach? Why not? Bingo.

    I cold approached one chick last weekend – she was super quiet and more feminine in demeanor than all the others. I was bored and the talent there was otherwise poor, and thought at the very least her night would be better for having been approached by me. Logistically I didn’t have the means to close, but my suspicion was correct. There is nothing to lose for either party if you (the man) have the right frame of mind.

    Note – I only have the capacity to appreciate a woman in a presumed context of non-monogamy. I would never trust any woman, and therefore cannot appreciate her in a frame of mind where eventual monogamy would be even in play.

    On cheating – Virtually every non-heinous looking woman under 50 in the western world is either cheating, ‘micro-cheating’, or at best simply flirting on-line and daydreaming about cheating, or if she’s not doing any of these things – she’s bitter and angry at the world. Anyone who tells you otherwise is in denial of women’s fundamental blueprint for polyandry, in an age where ‘micro-cheating’ is a 2 second DM away from her fingertips at all times.

    Another note – a man fulfilling his burden of performance and being ‘permanently Alpha’ does not change her evo-psych blueprint for polyandry. I’ve seen women attached to men who appear to fit this bill – occasionally – putting their foot down and resisting advances from other men, because they feel they must or they’ll ‘lose everything’. *And they are not happy about it* – they are angry internally for ‘feeling coerced’ to miss out on the eternal carousel.

  21. @Blax

    Interesting story. Recently I have come across some very disturbing stories in the Spanish media, which with the proper RP lenses do make a lot of sense.

    In one of them, a young nurse seduces a much older hospital worker, married with a daughter, which proceeds to kill her husband (for whom she was his first GF), all while she was out there cheating with multiple guys. Probably BPD.

    https://www.elespanol.com/reportajes/20180115/encima-prometio-salva-maje-acabar-punaladas-marido/277222702_0.html

    If you run Google Translator I think it is readable enough.

  22. @Waffles @Sentient

    “One down, nine more to go.”

    <> Wrong! GFTOW is a purple pill lie. I’ve been with ~25 since I dumped my ex 1.5 years ago (for ‘micro-cheating’ and lying about it), and you don’t get over that aspect of what you had with someone you trusted, and planned on being the mother of your kids. Or at least I haven’t. That ever-present pain is what has kept me from making the same mental mistakes with at least 4 of those ~25 where there’s been an emotional connection beyond just the fucking. Caution: committing (both de facto, and/or in spirit) to any woman is a clear and present danger to your life!

  23. Joe K

    Otherwise cold approach is an automatic DLV. Any potential butthurt-ness / ‘trying to get’ and you are fucked from the get-go.

    Preach playa! Wud you sarge wit me?

    – ER

  24. Joe K

    Wrong! GFTOW is a purple pill lie. I’ve been with ~25 since I dumped my ex 1.5 years ago (for ‘micro-cheating’ and lying about it), and you don’t get over that aspect of what you had with someone you trusted, and planned on being the mother of your kids.

    You don’t get over it if you are a beta pussy you mean. How do you walk around with all that butt hurt?

    Micro-cheating… lol

  25. “planned on being the mother of your kids.”

    What dude joys in the thought of having children with a woman? Odd.

    I fuck, she fucks, and kids happen.

  26. Joe K

    The reality IS painful,

    You’re the one bitching and moaning pal… Micro-cheating… I’m still laughing.

    Tell me did you angrily call her a micro-cheater?

  27. @Sentient

    Yes, I did! I didn’t get the term from reading Rollo’s stuff – christ, I’m not even here for his content – just to soak up all your paper alpha genius! Keep helping men with your brilliant commentary!

  28. Joe K
    March 22, 2018 at 12:12 pm

    The first one is hard. The next 50 ain’t nothin.

    Your proper response: NEXT

    BTW “She was going to be the mother of my children.” Well that is a TELL. Of what?

    When I made up my mind who the mother of my children was going to be – she was knocked up 15 minutes later.

    Seriously. Get her off your pedestal.

  29. Joe K

    That big bad girl really hurt you… Maybe you should pay more attention to Rollo’s content.

  30. @Marquis… I would not say that I am ‘convinced’ your wife is cheating, just that the probability is high that she either is or is seriously considering it.

    Forget all the long lists and focus on the big-ticket items:
    1. She is not into you sexually
    2. You are not her priority
    3. She is going on a trip and she explicitly said she does not want you there. And no, her offer of “maybe you can come the last day” does not change this… it was an emergency maneuver she instituted when she realized how bad it sounded when she said she did not want you there.

    That last one is important. The first 2 are signs that the stage is set, the third is a sign that the production is under way.

    How to explain this? It is POSSIBLE that she just REALLY needs to focus on work while she is there. Or maybe she just needs a break from her family and wants to unwind on her own.

    Mkay… those explanations contain enough plausible deniability for someone in denial to latch on to.

    You are not objective in this case and, to be honest, none of us are either. We all bring our experiences into our opinions… sometimes this helps us see things more clearly, sometimes not.

    So dont be a fool and listen to your internal rationalizations or the opinions of people on the internet. Hire a PI and find out what is going on by getting objective information.

  31. I think Joe takes a running start before commenting.

    IDK – that butt hurt… striding is a problem I fear.

  32. ” On cheating – Virtually every non-heinous looking woman under 50 in the western world is either cheating, ‘micro-cheating’, or at best simply flirting on-line and daydreaming about cheating, or if she’s not doing any of these things – she’s bitter and angry at the world. Anyone who tells you otherwise is in denial of women’s fundamental blueprint for polyandry, in an age where ‘micro-cheating’ is a 2 second DM away from her fingertips at all times.

    Another note – a man fulfilling his burden of performance and being ‘permanently Alpha’ does not change her evo-psych blueprint for polyandry. I’ve seen women attached to men who appear to fit this bill – occasionally – putting their foot down and resisting advances from other men, because they feel they must or they’ll ‘lose everything’. *And they are not happy about it* – they are angry internally for ‘feeling coerced’ to miss out on the eternal carousel.”

    https://media.giphy.com/media/V25cX3o2PgbRe/200.gif

  33. @Sentient

    I usually skim Rollo’s articles, but the last few struck a chord, so I did a deeper dive and read the comments too. Boy you sure do comment a lot! What a macho man you must be, to be so involved with a blog primarily dedicated to exposing the dangers and damage inflicted by feminism/the FI. You have so much time on your hands dude! What an alpha male you are!

  34. Joe K

    You have so much time on your hands dude! What an alpha male you are!

    *nods*

    Glad to be of service. Now try reading his stuff… Someone posted Best of Year One earlier…

    https://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/

    Oh guess what the first post under that is?

    https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/there-is-no-one/

    You can go on being angry – at girls, at dudes who don’t have your problem, whatever. Or you can try to grow and change.

    How old are you Joe?

  35. Teaser first lines…

    ONEitis is paralysis. You cease to mature, you cease to move, you cease to be you.

    There is no ONE. This is the soulmate myth. There are some good Ones and some bad Ones, but there is no ONE. Anyone telling you anything else is selling you something. There are LOTS of ‘special someones’ out there for you, just ask the divorced/widowed person who’s remarried after their “soulmate” has died or moved on.

  36. Sentient
    March 22, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    ONEitis – it is OK if she has it. In fact I’d put that down as a requirement for a LTR.

    You WILL make mistakes. Without her ONEitis many of them are unrecoverable. With it only some of them are.

  37. The Marquis

    If the sex has always been crappy, consider the possibility your real or imaginary rival could be a woman.

  38. M Simon

    Sure she can believe in it, but it’s still a myth. Eventually she will move on, with the rate of decay proportionate to her Alpha Widowhood times her age/reproductive fitness. You trig guys can figure out the equation. Unless she jumps on the pyre in the meantime.

  39. “Keep helping men with your brilliant commentary!”

    @Sentient

    he already gets it and is thanking you in advance. he wants your help because you are responsive and respected and he is deep fucking blue pilled and hurt and wants to be free like you

    i would have a hard time respecting a kid who didn’t challenge the big man right away

    “fuck you, old man”

    good

    i would have sarged with ER. he had potential

  40. @Blaximus

    You and Sentient are probably the same guy. You enlightened purple pill Old Married Guy! You are so superior to all the other married guys. And you comment so much, it must indicate that your days are chock full of hardcore alpha male behaviors. And no way your wife is (micro) cheating on you either. You win!

  41. Blax

    re “micro-cheating”

    hey maybe we are making too big a deal over this…

    Rimshot!

    That’s what she said… lol

    Seriously, I feel a little bad for the 25 other girls Joe K inflicted himself on… all that butt hurt and paranoia. Is this the FI pressing on me? or is he just an asshole? Both?

  42. Joe K is a cautionary tale that every man should heed.

    Never, and I mean NEVER allow a woman or women to turn you into a man that cannot move on from his feelings and anger. Move into understanding, then move the fuck on with a huge smile on your face.

    Internal anger ( also known as butthurt ) is a silent killer. It robs you of joy and true happiness.

    And if you allow a woman to put you in that place, you should turn in your Balls and have a Gender Reassignment surgery scheduled asap.

  43. Fleezer

    Balls in Joe’s court… let it begin…

    Tell us your story Joe?

    How old are you? How old where you when you met The One? Was she your first?

  44. ” You and Sentient are probably the same guy. You enlightened purple pill Old Married Guy! You are so superior to all the other married guys. And you comment so much, it must indicate that your days are chock full of hardcore alpha male behaviors. And no way your wife is (micro) cheating on you either. You win!”

    Lol.

    Nah man, I’m just superior to you. Btw, your slip is showing. adjust your dress.

  45. Joe needs to learn to get control of his emotions. Letting them control him makes him weak. It’s almost like I wrote a post about this on my blog recently.

  46. @ higgs

    That’s a novel idea.

    After reading days of Marquis, he’s without belly fire. 🔥

    Marquis is vaguely dissatisfied after years of bad sex. YEARS! Imagine the buffering there. He’s kinda concerned but really not so much, nah, he’s not, not really, there’s no there there.

  47. “Every weekend I partied without John. I’d become so distanced from our relationship that my morals had gone out the window. So when those small flirty actions progressed into infatuations, I didn’t even consider what I was doing as cheating anymore. I woke up Sunday mornings next to him feeling completely guilt-free.

    One night, a kiss developed into something more. A guy I’d seen out regularly approached me and brought me a drink. One thing led to another and I didn’t fight off his advances when he asked me outside.

    The inevitable happened that night, and to make matters worse, we got caught. A friend of a friend heard about our hookup and, as they say, news travels fast. John was waiting on the doorstep for me when I got home.

    Seeing the look of devastation and hurt in his eyes was enough to break my heart. I’d never meant to hurt him. I’d just felt trapped and was only thinking of myself. It was the worst thing that could have happened but, ironically, it was also the best.

    For the first time in our relationship, John was in charge. He’d had enough of being a doormat and fighting for me to stay. He finally led me to the door. The decision to leave was out of my hands.

    In the following months, I went from strength to strength. I realized that I didn’t need a man to support me. I was strong enough on my own. I’d occasionally see John and experience a pang of regret — not for the loss of the relationship but for the way it had ended so badly.

    I’ve carried that guilt for years and only recently made peace with myself. I heard that he’d moved overseas with a long-term girlfriend and I wish him only happiness and luck. He wasn’t for me but may be perfect for her. Perhaps his happily ever after is only that plane ride away.”

    Women’s perspective. Hamster activated. Electron microscope not needed. Lol.

  48. @Blaximus

    Don’t stop posting – keep going, you can do it! Yes you are so superior but I already told you that. Yes – estrogen and dresses and slips and all those original ad homs, you hit the nail on the head ol fella! I know you’ve got a lot more hardcore alpha behaviors to attend to, but PLEASE don’t stop replying to me. I need to know that you have read everything that is posted here, despite how busy you are fulfilling your burden of performance as an OMG. Please let me know ASAP!

  49. From NY POST article

    “He finally led me to the door. The decision to leave was out of my hands.

    In the following months, I went from strength to strength. I realized that I didn’t need a man to support me.”

    There’s about 5 TRM best of OPs in those few sentences.

  50. “Balls in Joe’s court… let it begin…”

    he knows. he just nervous. it’s his first time…. giggle giggle

    “You have so much time on your hands dude! What an alpha male you are!”

    i was trying to figure out why this argument never made sense to me. i got an old psych textbook and there it was…

    middle adulthood and stagnation. middle aged people do themselves a favor by contributing to the development of the coming generations. if they don’t, they risk stagnating and becoming self-absorbed and fucking miserable

    Rollo et al are doing exactly what they should be doing if they want to be healthy in old age. maybe it’s just hard for the coming generations to recognize how valuable this process is because they are all narcissistic pricks raised by electronic gadgets

  51. Yes Joe, I’ll post as much as I want, when I feel like it.

    … you fraidy cat.

    How long have you been angry at and afraid of teh big bad wimminz? Tell us. Do you have bad dreams about them and shit? Do you make a ” screw face ” when women are around you?

  52. @Blaximus

    Yes, you’re doing awesome! Chalk up today as a SUCCESS for yourself….moar comments, moar original ‘negs’ – you are doing such an AMAZING job of negging old timer! You really learned some important shit from Neil Struass, didn’t ya? Don’t you feel like replying some more to me? I know you do! Whatever you do – don’t let me get the last word here. YOU are so dominant Mr. Uber paper alplha!

  53. Joe

    Shouldn’t you be angrily texting your Oneitis microcheater? Or does she have an RO on you?

  54. Sentient
    March 22, 2018 at 12:51 pm

    Her ONEitis has been constant. I’d throw her out – and she’d come crying back. I’ve done all I could to make her quit. She refuses.

    I flirt with other women – openly. Her response – “isn’t that cute – it makes me hot for you”

    Some girls can get as stupid about ONEitis as some guys.

    But you shouldn’t expect it. And you need to shit test the hell out of her to make her prove it.

    “OK honey if you insist. You can be my other girl friend.”

    BTW my Dad had a similar experience. He kept going through girls until one stuck. She had ONEitis for my Dad.

  55. Simon

    I’ve done all I could to make her quit.

    I hear you, there is one thing left though, the great beyond. Not that I’m suggesting you try it any time soon…

  56. @Sentient –

    Shouldn’t you be banging away at Blaximus’ gritty bunghole? I know you would, but you and him are the same old fart! Maybe you can buttfuck some other closet homo (posing as a paper alpha KJ here in the sphere!)

  57. @joe

    “Wrong! GFTOW is a purple pill lie.”

    there is some truth to this. There’s only been one chick in my pickup journey that I had some feelings for. When that relationship ended, I wasn’t crying or going crazy. I just shrugged and said alright I’ll just go fuck ten other women. No big deal. and then i did that. and then i fucked 10 more women. and that only made me realize how incredible this girl was (through biased lense: seeing only the good and ignoring the bad things about her) and I never really got her out of my everyday thoughts until I got together with another girl that had similar characteristics to the my oneitis girl.

    “That ever-present pain is what has kept me from making the same mental mistakes with at least 4 of those ~25 where there’s been an emotional connection beyond just the fucking. Caution: committing (both de facto, and/or in spirit) to any woman is a clear and present danger to your life!”

    gotta be willing to get your heart ripped apart again, man. Something I struggle with as well:

    https://zenpencils.com/comic/103-c-s-lewis-to-love-at-all/

  58. Joe K
    March 22, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    That just radiates pain. Screams it.

    You CAN be the AMOG – but you have to give up your pain and anger. Because, amused mastery eludes you. And since you know all about being an alpha you know that is a requirement.

  59. @All (rest of you)-

    OK, point made. The redpill is painful to live with. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fraud. Look at Rollo’s daily twitter feed – it is all anger and pointing out injustice, double standards, men’s lives being destroyed.

    OMGs like Blaximus (and Sentient, but I repeat myself) carry on with whatever his / their lives are by being full time commenters of other men’s blogs. But look at how (this) man/men who don’t actually have sex with women, other than perhaps their wives, react to those who do – angry and reactionary about it. (We get it, you’re thirsty). Otherwise, why engage me in the way he/they do/does? Just ask yourselves that question. Do NOT go down that road – assume everything they write about themselves in a ‘positive/Alpha’ light is posturing. It likely is. It is in fact the height of blue pill mentality to create a fantasy world around yourself, where you’re playing pretend on some blog, acting like you’re The Man. Blaximus (Sentient) – go buy a hooker so that your daily life (consisting primarily of commenting on blogs) isn’t so easily triggered. You desperate old married snowflake(s)! Peace out to the rest of ya.

  60. Blaximus
    “Never, and I mean NEVER allow a woman or women to turn you into a man that cannot move on from his feelings and anger. Move into understanding, then move the fuck on with a huge smile on your face.”
    That is how to not go mgtow but to become self contained

    https://free.whatifthemovie.tv/thank-you?cf_uvid=5f265c444741bcc0c6986ef765064f28
    j
    “gotta be willing to get your heart ripped apart again, man. Something I struggle with as well:’
    One moment 30,000 variations remove negative and redundent thoughs
    Rollo

  61. Well then. That’s that.

    If Joe’s point is that consequence is elusive, with his approach, he’d be right.

    I’d be upset too believing my philosopher’s stone is different.

  62. @Sentient
    Uh-oh, not The Ghost and Mrs. Muir … my LTR would dump me in a heartbeat for Edward
    Mulhare

  63. “The redpill is painful to live with. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fraud.”

    That is a bit of self-fraud. The red pill can be painful to adapt to. In principal, however, it is no more difficult to live with than finding out that Santa Claus is not real. You can not only get over it, but actually be glad that the illusion has been dissed. And many find it so in practice as well.

    “Look at Rollo’s daily twitter feed – it is all anger and pointing out injustice, double standards, men’s lives being destroyed.”

    That is a bit of fraud. That isn’t the red pill.

    ” . . . why engage me in the way he/they do/does?”

    Why engage them in the way you do? Read your own comments. Just ask the question if they really represent you in a good light.

    I wouldn’t have you on my team. There wouldn’t be any team after you came on. You would destroy it from within.

  64. “The redpill is painful to live with. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fraud.”

    false. i’m red pilled and to consider my life painful is ridiculous by definition and historical human experience. I may well be a fraud though as I’ve never had an original thought, so i can’t argue that point

    “Look at Rollo’s daily twitter feed – it is all anger and pointing out injustice, double standards, men’s lives being destroyed.”

    hard to understand why a man would look at a feed that upset him if he wasn’t using it as a growth opportunity. no comfort in the growth zone of course but why allow input that causes unnecessary negative reaction

    “OMGs like Blaximus (and Sentient, but I repeat myself) carry on with whatever his / their lives are by being full time commenters of other men’s blogs.”

    this is a good spot. even if every account here were really 1 guy and his bots in a dimly lit office somewhere in fartland it wouldn’t matter because the info is testable and proven through repeated trials

    “But look at how (this) man/men who don’t actually have sex with women, other than perhaps their wives, react to those who do – angry and reactionary about it. (We get it, you’re thirsty).”

    who cares what a guy you don’t know does with his dick? does he have actionable intel? is he willing to share it? does the digestion, filtering and use of that info result in you getting what you want in the real world?

    “Otherwise, why engage me in the way he/they do/does? Just ask yourselves that question.”

    because you are a bitch and if we were at the range they’d probably smack you and tell you to go home and not to come back until you’re ready to pay attention and act like a big boy

    “Do NOT go down that road – assume everything they write about themselves in a ‘positive/Alpha’ light is posturing. It likely is.”

    it’s a pity how many didn’t have strong male role models. do you really think i wanted to hear sad loser stories while we worked in the garage?

    “It is in fact the height of blue pill mentality to create a fantasy world around yourself, where you’re playing pretend on some blog, acting like you’re The Man.”

    a man could become The Man in the mano. are you learning disabled?

    “Blaximus (Sentient) – go buy a hooker so that your daily life (consisting primarily of commenting on blogs) isn’t so easily triggered. You desperate old married snowflake(s)! Peace out to the rest of ya.”

    i don’t think i could count the number of weeks of my life where i didn’t do anything nearly as productive as commenting on a blog that could help other people. sometimes in the summer i would just ride my bike around and break stuff. or kick a fucking ball around. all my friends were equally worthless. it’s great how in 2018 you can get chewed out for trying. “fuck you for trying old man. much better to give up without even pretending to fight!!!!!!!!”

  65. @Marquis

    “That’s why I don’t understand how people are so confident. In any event, the focus for me is on improving myself.”

    Ya it’s hard to know,estrus isn’t the only thing that’s hidden,about the only way to be sure is put her in a chastity belt and then she would date an outlaw safecracker. Seriously you are on the right track ,it is possible to self improve to the point she is begging for it and you are repulsed by her.

  66. @Yo Really

    Yeah he has a pretty much open invitation to come back if he ever feels so ,but he also said its a time sink when he left ..

    Anyways if he ever comes back he does its just people get tired of hearing the rehashing of these comments.

  67. “The redpill is painful to live with. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fraud.”

    Total bullshit^^^^^^ this. Red pill awareness is understanding that though you may be taking a beating,there is a reason for this and a way out from under the lash.

    Blue pill “bliss” is quite the opposite,more of a( let the days go by water flowing under ) victim daze , never knowing why you are the whipping boy.

  68. But, that chick had some awesome titties though. Round and pert like cantaloupes. But I wouldn’t jump off a curb over them.ROFL

    But, that chick had some awesome titties though. Round and pert like cantaloupes. But I wouldn’t jump off a curb over them.Hehehee

  69. “Yeah he has a pretty much open invitation to come back if he ever feels so”

    that would make my day. still the best at the FR and the FR breakdown and at compare and contrast between different pua approaches. i need to think like him more. come back, bitch

    “but he also said its a time sink when he left ..”

    because he spent all his time working on FRs from failures as he thought this was the best way to develop a targeted algorithm because he was a failure first and he worked on himself first so that’s all he knew. even though awalt, his filters and game only worked on a subset of the group and he required very specific circumstances in order to make it consistently viable. his code was a failure when it came time to scale because it was rooted in the lay being the prize. there is no way around it. dancing monkey code – he was fucking to make up for a lack of fucking. his mission was fucked from the start. he was warned about this by many different people, as in “fuckin fine bitches ain’t a life mission”

    “Anyways if he ever comes back he does”

    he better come back with a fucking manifesto and a new code that scales or don’t bother you fat fuck

    “its just people get tired of hearing the rehashing of these comments.”

    not me. he’s a prophet trapped in a chode’s body. free ya really!!!!!!!

  70. LOL! RP is painful.. LOL!
    RP can be frustrating though. Seeing FI BS screwing over guys and leading them by their nose-rings. I pointed out some FI BS memes on a chat-page, and everyone just thinks I’m the odd guy, because I’m swimming against the current. Ego investment in the BP makes criticism of it hard on them, so they turn on me. Not trying to save the world, yet, but RP does make for some interesting converstaton starters.

  71. “RP can be frustrating though. Seeing FI BS screwing over guys and leading them by their nose-rings.”

    There ya go. And frustrating to see a man like Joe complaining of the pain of the pull on the nose ring and attributing it to the red pill, the tool which could remove the ring, and thus the pain.

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