Dangers of the Blue Pill

This clip arrived in my Twitter stream a couple of days ago and I was going to dismiss it until I read through some of the comments about this guy on the ensuing Twitter thread. I’m going to give you my take on what I think is really going on here and then I’ll contrast this with how other viewers interpreted this incident. I was about to pass on this until the conversation really made this an interesting social experiment.

I have seen things like this before. Remember, for the better part of my ‘real job’ career I’ve been around a lot of people who are socializing and drinking. I watch guys pick up women, I watch women pick up guys, and I’ve seen a lot of couples argue in public. One thing that these couples all have in common (or at least 90% of them) is the guy trying his damnedest to get his girlfriend/wife to ‘come around to him’. As you may guess, the majority of these men were Betas who ‘just didn’t get it‘ and were appealing to their woman’s reason in order to resolve whatever it is that was making her turn off to him.

Again, most of these guys were oblivious to the fact that their trying to reason with her was only emphasizing the fact that he just didn’t get it, and that she was paired off with a guy who needed to be told how to get it.

The guy with the capacity to call a woman’s bluff with a confidence that implies she is to be worthy of him rather than the other way around is the Man to be competed for. Essentially the ‘chick speak’, ‘chick advice’ phenomenon is a shit test writ large on a social scale. And even your own mother and sisters are in on it, expecting you to ‘get it’; to get the message and see the challenge for what it really is, without overtly telling you.

She want’s you to ‘get it’ on your own, without having to be told how. That initiative and the experience needed to have had developed it makes you a Man worth competing for. Women despise a man who needs to be told to be dominant. Overtly relating this to a guy entirely defeats his credibility as a genuinely dominant male. The guy she wants to fuck is dominant because that’s ‘the way he is’ instead of who she had to tell him to be.

Observing the process will change it. This is the root function of every shit test ever devised by a woman. If masculinity has to be explained to a man, he’s not the man for her.

I have been this guy before. I’m not happy to admit that, but in my 20s, during the time I was with the BPD girl she made a habit of airing out her insane jealousy, insecurities and general relationship disorders as publicly as possible. When this becomes a way of life for a guy it changes you and particularly when it’s part of a woman’s personal neurosis. At that point in my life I had fallen very Beta (almost Omega by Vox’s standards) and I made all of the same mistakes I see guys in this predicament make when I’m working. I also know better than to try to correct these guys, because, like myself, they can get really hostile towards you or themselves when you point out the obvious to them.

So, a couple of caveats here; I don’t know for sure what’s transpired before or after this incident, and I have no idea if the guy is imbalanced (I’m being polite). It could be him, it could be her, likely it’s both, but I do know the patterns and I can see that the guy will resort to self-injury to make a point. This is a classic expression of Blue Pill Beta frustration with a girl.

The girl could be blameless and he’s just a nerdy Blue Pill Beta reacting to his frustration in not understanding how to resolve whatever it is that set him off with her. I’ve watched a lot of guys in the ‘Gamer’ social set who fall into this type. They buy into the “open communication is the key to everything” ideal that the Blue Pill told them women want, so when that ‘open communication’ is actually the reason for his problems he gets frustrated. Women are supposed to be reasonable, co-equal egalitarian agents in a relationship and when his appeals to that reason are ineffective, what’s left for the kid?

Again, this is me speculating. What we do know is his reaction. Imagine if this guy had actually broken the window and cut himself (and maybe a few bystanders) to ribbons. I mention this because it’s the reaction I’d expect from the Blue Pill mind that makes a guy believe that killing or hurting himself will in someway emphasize the seriousness with which he wants to resolve the issue he believes is crucial to his happiness with a woman. This is one of the main reasons I’ve always said kill the Beta before it kills you. There’s a very real danger that a Beta mindset will lead to you or someone else’s injury or death.

I’m actually inclined to think that the incident was his own doing though. She seems indifferent to him even after the head bang, but likely that might be due to embarrassment. She’s certainly frustrated with his attempts to get her to “listen to him”.

I’ve mentioned this before, but as women have become more self-assured about their own personal safety they feel more secure in provoking physical altercations. I understand that women love to say that they feel threatened by men all the time, or they have to always think about their personal safety no matter where they are, but I really don’t see this in real life – certainly not at my own promos. In fact it’s quite the opposite. I have seen women on many occasions (both drunk and sober) deliberately instigate confrontations that never needed to be started. All of them did so from a feeling of invulnerability because they know that no man would dare to actually assault her while she could wail on him with impunity. I think this is a new social trend with women today. They understand that if the guy she was hitting actually hit back there would be half a dozen men in the room who would beat his ass for raising a fist, much less his voice, to her. Women know the power that an opportunity to defend a woman has over men; it’s a confirmation of the old social contract that women still expect men to adhere to.

I’ve also seen women start altercations with other women in the same confidence that her man will fight the other woman’s man if the two of them get into a fight. They do so by appealing to their man’s Alphaness (or lack thereof) and having her back no matter what – even when she’s being stupid, catty or drunk. It’s kind of a new play on the ‘Lets you and him fight’ social convention, but if cooler heads prevail and one or both men pull their women away from the other they just look like pussies or less than men. Again, this is one more way women can socially reserve their bestowing or confirming manhood on a man.

Is any of this happening here? Likely no, but it’s important to remember these things in context with incidents like this. That’s important, because a few of the female readers of this Twitter thread seemed to think that, rather than his kid being a potentially terminal Beta, he had the potential to be an abuser. In fact this was their first impression. I guess I can sort of see this from a woman’s perspective, but I really think the Sisterhood Über Alles kicks in when women see something like this. Always take the woman’s side first.

I think women see this through the girl’s eyes. They understand what she’s going through in having the guy try to ‘logic’ her into understanding. They understand the girl’s frustration at just having to deal with this Beta.

https://twitter.com/yourpacrat/status/975455414568587264

I’ve probably done a really bad job at this, but my intent here is not to beat this guy up over this whole thing. When I first watched this clip I thought, “Yep, been there, done that”, and like this guy I was in my 20s when I did. It seems like this is something men must learn for themselves as part of their unplugging. I think one thing that makes unplugging more difficult today is that the stakes are so much higher when a guy just ‘doesn’t get it’. There are guys who never get past any of these Blue Pill trials because they make bad decisions that seemed logical or profound at the time and they have to live with the consequences for failing that Blue Pill trial.

I would bet that this guy is still with this girl today. Even with this going slightly viral I doubt he’s learned anything from the experience and I’m sure he’s still trying to figure out how to make this pudgy little HB 3 happy. His head bang against a window (which he had no idea was plexiglass) is really a manifestation of his own self-loathing. He wont hit her, he’ll hurt himself to make his point. This is what guys like this have been taught, to express his emotions, but in this instance that emotion is angst and frustration.

It’s easy to think that guys like this are too far gone. It’s easy for guys who’ve been Red Pill aware for a long time to dismiss Beta behaviors that they were also subject to, but have been so far removed from now that they think shit like this doesn’t happen.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Shit always changes, and even though you could pull something useful from Ya archieves for the bro in the video.

But if was around, I’m sure he’d personalise it, tell the douche to do X, Y and Z, link some vids with some skinny ugly dude gaming some HB.

Then break down the RP concepts and how to apply then.

Educational and entertaining

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Ya really always reminded me of a time in my life when I was single living in the college district. My roomate was a business major with a psych degree,we would hang a pair of boxer shorts on the knob for a do not disturb sign. It was an old victorian house cut int 4 apartments and the other three were occupied by women,one hippie chick,one prgnant latina and one military wife all in their low twenties. I would take the military wife and the pregger out to the movies one under each arm, felt like the king.. Had two… Read more »

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“Shit always changes” Game works universally because women don’t change. AWALT. Old women, young women all of em are the same hence PUA’s develop algorithms. This isn’t as complicated as pages and pages of PUA advice and RSD videos make it out to be. Any great wrestler has 2-3 takedowns, 2-3 reversals, 2-3 go to moves and masters. That’s much of the battle finding success out there. Getting good at a few things and consistently applying it. That’s what women generally want to see anyways, the guy, himself, being good at what he’s good at. Telling guys it’s complicated creates… Read more »

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Pretty mean to post this video of me, Rollo.
I love her and really think I can make things work out.

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I’ve seen with my own eyes Rollos book in a fucking public library.

This is the most extraordinary comment of the thread so far. A public library in the current era. The war is not over yet if this can happen.

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“This isn’t as complicated as pages and pages of PUA advice and RSD videos make it out to be.”

It used to be about building confidence in regards to women, if a guy keeps looking for a mentor to hold his hand and give him reasurance he will never learn how to do a solo flight.
Next thing you know he will be asking Ya Really to help guide his dick in so he doesn’t hit the wrong hole.

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@Yo Really Yes I’m the guy Ya Really coached and i think later quoted.

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Ya was great at Fr’s. But it’s a monstrous stretch to think that he could break down RP the same way he broke down pua stuff to men. I used to remind him sometimes that RP isn’t only about pedestalizing and fucking 20 something HB8-9’s. I got the impression that he could recite RP concepts, but didn’t fully internalize the majority of them. There were only certain concepts he liked because he thought they backed up his narrower viewpoints. In pua, the way it’s been popularized and called ” Game ” ( it’s not Game… it’s like a bastard stepchild… Read more »

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Having said all that for the 100th time, I like Ya and I miss his input here.

Scray, meh. Sometimes.

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@Marquis, You already know deep down what the deal is, otherwise you wouldn’t have posted here. My advice is for you to trust your instinct. It evolved to make you aware of situations just like this. The next step is to decide what you want to do with your relation and your family. Then you need to confront her. If your decision is to end it, let her come back to an empty house from her business trip. If you want to give it another try, have her come home to find you in bed with another woman. Send the… Read more »

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And jesus Christ was he stubborn, even after admitting that he had zero experience in some of the things he had all figured out Yeah, that had me ROFL. He knew about playing with girls’ emotions. I never thought about that, I just did it. Unconsciously. But YaReally made it clear what was going on. I learned some stuff from him. Nothing much I could apply, but I could see it in real time. Bored girls are on their cells at my bar, but lots of broads aren’t–they’re busy watching the wildlife. Next thing you know he will be asking… Read more »

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I’ll sleep on my back w/one eye open.

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“The redpill is painful to live with. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fraud.”

Ohm’s law is painful to live with. Heck arithmetic is painful to live with. Sometimes I want 2 + 2 to equal 3. Other times 5 would be more convenient. But no. That is not allowed. In fact it mostly doesn’t work. SMH.

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@walawala
Nice bro, yr game must be solid now

@TheMarquis
This is for you, some solid advice

http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/10/

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Marquis. What the fuck the question isn’t is my wife cheating the question is why ? The question ant I may be getting divorced the question is what am I going to do about it. Why you asking if you can take the kids to the visit her at the new job ? Just show up and bring your in laws. Show up and show out if you need too. If she their with some other guy. Make a Show of it this yo blood this your family. You want it fight for it. Or what ever I just lost… Read more »

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“@TheMarquis This is for you, some solid advice http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/10/“ That’s a major fail in Married Red Pill advice. Precisely where YaReally tried to promote having children one day and living the Blackdragon life. (I’m of the impression that Blackdragon has great advice. Solid stuff.) That’s not real world IRL kinda advice. Red Pill can be easy peasy. Married life in the suburbs is a magnificent walk in the park. Children can be had. It doesn’t all have to be a Hard Dread try hard kind of life. Soft Dread works. YaReally being all fucking hard dreading the women and thinking… Read more »

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If they behave like shit, kick them to the curb. You are doing this for your own self preservation. Don’t get your hopes up too high that this will educate them though. They will just find some other white knight to validate their victimhood… and some other fuckboy off of Tinder. Having standards and maintaining them means you will lose many people along the way but it’s better than being dragged down to their level; and they won’t respect you for putting up with their shitty behavior anyway and they will disrespect you even more. In order to maintain a… Read more »

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The greatest trick the PUA community ever pulled of is that you can’t trust a good woman to maintain herself.

If you can maintain your SMV a point or two higher than the woman’s, she probably won’t cheat, because she’ll still be attracted to you. This assumes that you have Relationship Game, which I cover on my blog. PUA schools don’t know much about Relationship Game. Nor did YaReally, although he thought he did.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuYSo-nL08&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=TymDdIVjoZnpJK4g-6
“Even with this going slightly viral I doubt he’s learned anything from the experience and I’m sure he’s still trying to figure out how to make this pudgy little HB 3 happy. His head bang against a window (which he had no idea was plexiglass) is really a manifestation of his own self-loathing. He wont hit her, he’ll hurt himself to make his point. This is what guys like this have been taught, to express his emotions, but in this instance that emotion is angst and frustration.”

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I think it has been said countless time but it is worth repeating: PUA is certainly part of Red Pill but cannot fly alone. That a great PUA like Mystery became suicidal when his girlfriend left him tells you PUA alone CANNOT remove the Blue Pill. Infact it is suicidal to have PUA before vomiting up the blue pill. It will likely kill you. Literally. Something akin to babies with dynamite as Sensei would put it. PUA must be paired with Red Pill. In fact If Red Pill is a school syllabus, PUA just the math in it, you need… Read more »

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#SJF You know him? Say hi to him. Where did promote having kids I must have missed it. Link it brah YaReally said Some guys would read what I just wrote and say “lololz see YaReally, u dumbass we told you you would have to work at some point and quit being a bum and now u can’t even go out lololz” but it’s like ya, I fuckin’ already knew that lol I always knew I’d have to hyperfocus on career stuff after hyperfocusing on pickup. I just know that you can make money at any point in your life.… Read more »

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@Yo That whole link reads like a guy trying to rationalize his decisions , comparing his road to another when there is really no comparison. How can one make this comparison having no experience on the other side? When he does finally get serious about being self supporting and even supporting his false alpha game (putting his money where his mouth is) the first thing he will realize is that in order for a man to get paid he has to produce and perform. Being able to rationalize your situ into something acceptable and doing acceptable work for pay are… Read more »

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@boulderhead

Not looking to analyse the dudes life, just that he had some great concepts, lots of real actionable shit and ways for men finding RP & apply with chics

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@Yo I read what he wrote and don’t see any good concepts, just rationalizing putting off the inevitable for immediate pleasure. Ask me how I know. Now this is just what you posted above and to be fair there are a good bits of truth in the archives, this tidbit just isn’t one of them. The dividing line is the paradox, 1; chicks can no longer tell truth from fiction. 2;most people are playing a game. 3; if you spend all your time learning the game you will reap the rewards.4 if you spend all your time learning a tangible… Read more »

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@Yo

I just reread that post skimmed the truth out here it is.

“And I maintain that harem because I know not to cry & moan about how stressed I am and just tell them I’m handling my shit like a boss instead.”

Every word and concept other than this gem^ is total BS;see game.

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March 22, 2018 at 8:38 pm

With my LTR soft dread doesn’t even register. Dread for her needs to be hammer blows. None the less 43 years so far.

Note: Soft dread worked for my Dad.

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March 22, 2018 at 8:38 pm

hard dreading the women and thinking that was actually going to fly one day when he was going to have children.

I think hard dreading is one of the things that attracted the LTR to me. Our oldest (of 4) is 35.

It is strange. I can feel how deeply I hurt her and yet I also note her intense attraction. She rarely gets enough of those intense mixed emotions.

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“Being able to rationalize your situ into something acceptable and doing acceptable work for pay are two different things.”

#Truth #Getpaid

Really that whole line of solipsistic thought “i can just get to that tomorrow” is no different from a pre epiphany chick…

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And the ever present false dichotomy.

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I probably should add that abused girls (especially) often interpret “abuse” as love.

“He wants other women? That means he loves me. He knows it excites me.”

Yeah. Don’t even try to untangle that. It is an amusing game to play. Once you “get” it.

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Trump game… for the old guys In an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper Thursday evening, Karen McDougal said Trump tried to pay her after the first time they had sexual relations. “After we had been intimate, he tried to pay me, and I actually didn’t know how to take that,” she said, clasping her hands together. She recalled how the cash offer left her shaken while Trump appeared surprised by her reaction. “The look on my face must have been so sad,” she said. She wondered, “Does he think I’m in this for money? That’s not me.” “I’m not that… Read more »

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@Yo Really YaReally was a legend then he sort of vanished—like the Lone Ranger. My game is good and improves every day. I’m moving into the stage where I’m relying less on thinking things through when it comes to the structure and just doing what now feels much more natural. The Red Pill has helped me to focus on those things that are important to me and the blind spots are now much clearer to me—focusing on abundance, ploughing past dry-spells or rejection…learning how to calibrate my game to different types of girls. The Rational Male meantime provides a wider… Read more »

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“doesn’t hit the wrong hole.”

Ironic, there was an FR recently about someone asking about just this and replies were fun.

Amaze her with a no hands insertion was one.

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I challenge anyone to tell me why we need any more PUA advice.

More advice doesn’t clarify what’s been said thus far.

There’s more than enough advice already. I conclude talking about PUA is what PUAs do best.

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“I challenge anyone to tell me why we need any more PUA advice.”

This is serious business for the you ng guy and good clean fun for the OMG.

best I could do on short notice.

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That grin

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“DANGERS OF THE BLUE PILL”

After watching the video…
Blue pill must be code for sniffing paint fumes.

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Those grins.

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Rollo

Heartiste had this image up recently…

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apparently there is a whole site … http://bridesthrowingcats.com/

lolz

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Review of an old movie about a couple that argues a lot.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/22/how-my-cousin-vinnys-mona-lisa-vito-almost-never-made-it-to-the-screen/

Judge: Do you two know each other?
Vinny: Yeah, she’s my fiancé.
Judge: Well, that would certainly explain the hostility.

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March 23, 2018 at 7:26 am

Is that symbolic of something? “I’m married. Time to throw away the pussy.”

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@Sentient On March 21 you wrote: “…don’t write him off. Reserve some hope that he will come back, and if he does, resolve to make amends, for both your sake.” Fatted calf indeed. This is Day #2 of my son’s life. To quote EhIntellect “he is emancipated.” A public note of gratitude to SJF and EhIntellect for having my back for the past several days getting through the most dire crisis I’ve faced as a father. You guys helped me get my clouded head screwed on straight with a Red Pill toolbox. Fucking love you guys. When self-doubt muddies your… Read more »

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“I challenge anyone to tell me why we need any more PUA advice.” not advice. pua FRs, research methods, theories, strategies, outcomes, trends and most importantly, predictions. we can front run bitches just like stocks also i plan on fucking a ton of 18-20s and i want to be able to do it on command with little to no planning. when one of them passes all my tests i want to be up to date on pua stuff so i can maximize my fun time with all of my potential risks managed i’m looking for the equivalent of hiding a… Read more »

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“This is Day #2 of my son’s life. To quote EhIntellect “he is emancipated.”

A public note of gratitude to SJF and EhIntellect for having my back for the past several days getting through the most dire crisis I’ve faced as a father. You guys helped me get my clouded head screwed on straight with a Red Pill toolbox. Fucking love you guys.”

wow

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@Fleezer, outstanding comment to the “I challenge anyone…” comment.
Start an anonymous blog, man!

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@ fleezer

I’m interested now…what specific recent actionable PUA advice of others have you used recently? You appear to be “know the trade not the tricks” type.

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@Marquis Even if she’s not fucking someone else right now, she’s positioning herself to make it ‘just happen’ one day. +1 to what Blax said: My 2 cents = if a woman/wife isn’t making you her priority, it’s pretty much the same as cheating. The actual other man’s penis in her vagina/mouth and possibly her ass is only the icing on the cake. Mental cheating precedes the physical most of the time. When my wife jokes or freaks out about me ‘chasing strange pussy’, she’s not concerned about the act itself, but that I may ‘catch feelings’, develop an ’emotional… Read more »

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I enjoy FRs as the writer must hang his head out a bit to improve. Research too.

I admit the narrative must undergo updates for a changing demographic too.

My comment was more at how certain PUAs were once utilizing TRM. It was a case of TMI, overcomplication when Sentient’s MM explanations were and are sufficient, IMHO.

Thanks for your input.

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Re: cheating… what a BP mindfuck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR5nn6HGl1w
What the hell?!

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Donna’s body language in that interviewer is that of a liar. Newsgirl nods and goes along with it.

Dude pulled the trigger too early on the gotcha moment with the wife. Should have been more patient.

Loser takes her back. Tool.

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Ugh, cut that fat bitch loose

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… Marquis is checking out used drone prices on e-Bay

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@Yo Really Thanks for the quote from YaReally. I learned a lot from him and his archive, so I remember the useful stuff quite well (kudos dude). This one I must have ignored… don’t remember it…. and now I know why. +1 to what boulderhead said about it. Guys past 35-40 who settle down have nothing to do *BUT* make money. That’s literally their life every day. What? LOL they have to play catch-up with their pickup skills (’cause you aren’t going out enough to learn pickup while you’re also working hard on a career) and try to learn pickup… Read more »

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March 23, 2018 at 9:46 am

Donna’s body language in that interviewer is that of a liar. Newsgirl nods and goes along with it.

2 or 3? Yeah.

I’d say more like 20 or 30. Or even 200 or 300. BTW She was foo king the other guy.

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March 23, 2018 at 9:46 am

“Donna’s body language in that interviewer is that of a liar. Newsgirl nods and goes along with it.”

News girl just Sisterhood Uber Alles doing: “hey sisters! Look Up!”

But the best?

😁 “eye buhWEEEEEVE her!
She WUVS mee!” 🤣

The Blue-Dense is Strong in this one.
– But typical.
And also typical – he’d run beeline from RM.

P.S. for you amigos who are 🙂 spinning fifty plates?
Hope doing better than this moo-cow. Challenge she is not. 😎

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Apology to moo-cows, they took offense.
Manatees happy to have her though.

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“My comment was more at how certain PUAs were once utilizing TRM.” and then Rollo, being as fucking cool as he is, basically gave Ya and the puas their own entire page. but was that good enough? nope. “It was a case of TMI, overcomplication when Sentient’s MM explanations were and are sufficient, IMHO.” if a guy asks me: “what should I do to get stronger?” I could say: -pick up heavy stuff until it’s not heavy anymore -lift heavy weights and eat -lift certain heavy weights according to a specifically designed program based on thousands of hours of research… Read more »

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“Hope doing better than this moo-cow. Challenge she is not”

donna = “empty spot on the couch”

lol. pathetic

donna is not a plate. donna might, on her very best day, be an old cracked wooden platter that you keep in the garage and only bring out when all the fucking relatives show up and you gotta feed ’em buffet style

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@ fleezer.

Nice.

Lol, yes. I don’t need to know what a calorie is to remind me to eat food.

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“you got the skill set, the personality and the proven results, Ya. everyone wants you back”

He left not because of those things but because of Gamma… And Gamma will keep him away.

Rollo should do some posts on Gamma… It certainly has taken center stage in these days of The Great Enfeebling…

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Lol @ ” enfeebling “. I’m stealing that shit.

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As the cluster of wealth and success tightens into a smaller and smaller population, so goes the sexual access to women.

We’re being herded into our respective pens.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSMeI6iDchw
Though this one somewhat relevant. (Masculine response)

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March 23, 2018 at 12:04 pm

“Rollo should do some posts on Gamma…”

“. . . there is no lower limit to gamma energy derived from radioactive decay.”
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The Great Enfeebling

” “In all truth I consider myself more of a theta male. I’m way down there. I’m cucking the cucks.””

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https://www.infowars.com/hollywood-openly-celebrates-the-triumph-of-the-beta-male/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/thomas-middleditch-responds-alex-jones-beta-male-criticism-1096254

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March 23, 2018 at 11:38 am

if a guy asks me: “what should I do to get stronger?” I could say:

Change your attitude.

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“He left not because of those things but because of Gamma… And Gamma will keep him away. Rollo should do some posts on Gamma… It certainly has taken center stage in these days of The Great Enfeebling…” gamma? i don’t know what that means. looking forward to any posts about it enfeebling? lol. ditto. “Consistency betwen our emotions, knowledge, beliefs, and behavior also allows us to trust ourselves, which makes it easier to respond to intuitive congitive analysis (like our gut feeling). When the cognitive and affective components of attitude do not match our behavior we sense the weakness in… Read more »

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March 23, 2018 at 1:14 pm

Having trouble with unity of purpose (not you fleezer)? May I suggest “The Fourth Way” by Ouspensky.

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https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com.co/2016/07/a-letter-to-gamma.html https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com.co/2016/01/the-gamma-protagonist-part-i.html Vox has abandoned Alpha Game Plan, in part because he’s trying to run 48 hour days at the moment, but in part because he’s tired of having to deal with the gammas the site collects. And this is what a Gamma Male is not: “The ideal is the Gamma Male. Not often talked about, but they are out there. Usually a Gamma is an Alpha Male that “grew up” and toned down the antics slightly and started being socially conscious and more of a team player. Or they started as a Beta Male that “grew a pair” and… Read more »

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I’ve seen gamma. I don’t laugh about it anymore.

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March 23, 2018 at 1:27 pm

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http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html?m=1
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Why, this IS interesting!

First time have seen an attempt to categorize utilizing a quantitative methodology. Numbers quite a bit fewer than would have suspected, considering Pareto.

But guess it makes sense.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3NGC9WUtG8
Applyy and learn

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Gents, before we dive too deep into another logical structure and categories, let’s keep in mind this comment from HABD on why it’s so easy to make it all really confusing: we’ve covered this before, but it bears repeating… bc these concepts are key to understanding what the f*k is going on…at both the individual and societal level… the difference is in the meanings of the ‘alpha/beta’ context… there is much blurring of concepts in the ‘sphere… wrt intersexual sexual dynamics (which is what Rollo talks about…) there are only 3 categories – alpha, beta, omega… alpha = genetic contribution… Read more »

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Glenn Beck interviewing JBP on the assault on masculinity. Worth 24 minutes of your time.

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Vox Day is a Civ guy, not a sex guy. It so happens that in sexually reproducing species sex is going to be foundational to Civ, so he covers it, but Civ is what’s most important to him, so it’s Alpha Game Plan that he has abandoned, not his Civ oriented projects.

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That said, when someone like Joe K shows up “Beta” isn’t really adequate. He’s got stuff to get through before he can get to Beta, where we can help him. The whole “Secret King” thing blocks him.

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“What I’m trying to say is that I’ve got nothing against you. But here is what you don’t seem to understand. I have two eyes and I am perfectly capable of seeing what is in front of me. I also have a memory, which means that I am also perfectly capable of recalling what happened yesterday, and the day before that. And what that means is that all the poses you are striking, and all the posturing in which you so regularly engage, simply doesn’t fool me at all. In fact, it doesn’t fool anyone. Do you seriously believe it… Read more »

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“Consistency between our emotions, knowledge, beliefs, and behavior also allows us to trust ourselves, which makes it easier to respond to intuitive congitive analysis (like our gut feeling). When the cognitive and affective components of attitude do not match our behavior we sense the weakness in ourselves, the inconsistency. This leads to an attempt to rationalize the disconnect and compensate for it. The effort involved in such an approach is quite significant, which then leaves relatively fewer resources for getting anything else done.” Yes, The Sniper Mind: Eliminate Fear, Deal with Uncertainty, and Make Better Decisions book. Reminds me of… Read more »

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I was thinking maybe Joe K could do a guest post on the topic.

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Alpha (AF) and beta (BB) are sets of male characteristics that trigger two different algorithms in female brains. They do NOT define who you are as a man. That’s why PUA as a superficial shtick works too. A gamma (in Vox’s sense) can be successful in bedding women. Likewise, a DPA guy can trigger a BB algo… or even don’t be of any interest to her = HABD’s omega. More than one red pill on the way to man up.

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@IRL:

95% of the time that covers it, but there are some men who are creepy to men, and those men trigger “OMFG, this nutball is going to put a bomb in my car,” in women.

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I think we agree and are talking about the same things.

The difficulty is we always define something with respect to something else… even if we don’t think that (there is no black point without the lighter background, no ones without zeros etc). When this relation/reference is not stated explicitly… you get the confusion/arguments.

That’s why we keep arguing about what ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’ are, why something bothers successful OMGs in the tunnel vision of PUAs etc.

So… is Elon Musk an alpha or not? 😉

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Hmm… now I’m wondering if your example means that omega = invisible and a creep is something completely different. I’ll give it a few minutes and then I’ll just do other more productive things… lol

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A MRP thought about AF/BB. If guys think these concepts are contentious, imagine a woman’s torture trying to sort this out in her AF/BB man. Hypergamy can be fooled and her himdbrain fears mistaken identity. I want sex and kink as I please, thus it’s inherentvone to create a dynamic that maximizes her lesser physical fucking ability to my libido. AF/BB turmoil maintains her inner drama quotient and she’ll hamster herself into weary confusion unconsciously. Just enough beta (Yes, I feed my kids) she can rest, then off to the alpha races again. More sex requires a rapid circuit of… Read more »

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I’d think that it’s usually betas (or omegas) who get frustrated and snap. Don’t know any beta who is beta (BB) by conscious RP choice and real effort not to be alpha (AF). Men don’t want to be “just BB”. So there’s that. On the other hand, you could have… idk… the Joker with a bomb. I’d say he would ping off as an alpha (Dark Triad, War Brides and stuff). Too much manstering for my taste… You know what… fuck off 😉 As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far… Read more »

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Creep is a factotum shit test if hindbrain status is indeterminate.

How do you disprove a creep perjorative short of DHV? You can’t, that’s why creep is so effective.

He’s double bound…if he’s says he’s not, well, only weak guys have to verbally defend against a weaker opponent.

I’d be interested in y’alls advice how to deal with getting creep thrown at you, as an academic exercise.

And saying “be alpha” is a a dodge.

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@Eh
Yeah, I’d buy that for a dollar.

My natural buddy in his mid-20s lost an LTR (of 5+ years) to a beta because he was too AF.

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@IRL: The game isn’t Fuck/Marry – it’s Fuck/Marry/Kill (or be killed). There are instinctual triggers other than the sexual. After all, you have to be alive to fuck. So there is creepy, a BB nerd hitting on me when I’m hot for Alpha, and then there is creepy, I’m going to end up as cutlets in his freezer. For all the Grrrrrl Power and Kung Fu princess talk, and even outright physical abuse because they know that men won’t hit them back, deep in the female limbic system, right along with AF/BB, is the knowledge that the average 14 year… Read more »

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Oh so we’re back to Sentient’s dream? Lol

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“I’d be interested in y’alls advice how to deal with getting creep thrown at you, as an academic exercise.”

Basic agree and amplify… Then roll off a little and DHV until you get IOIs…

Same as with an IOD.

Of course “creep” can also be a shit test… Context is important. Same basic structure though.

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That cat is Alpha IRL…

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Dark Triad works by triggering sexual response and the survival fear response at the same time.

This guy is going to take me apart, unless I pacify him by fucking him, and, OMG, that actually makes me hot.

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Creep i.e. psychopath

Trust the hair on the back of your neck.

http://www.yorku.ca/rweisman/courses/sosc6890/pdf/meloypaper-psychopathy.pdf

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@ Sentient’s A&A

Thx. Funny this only just on the treadmill I thought:

“Oh yeah, creepy, freaky, a sick fuck” then swish my tongue on the bottom of my upper incisors a few times while lazing.

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”Funny this only just on the treadmill I thought:”

My vestigial German, sorry for the word scramble.

My most memorable creep vote goes to Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet.

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