Transactional vs. Validational Sex

You cannot negotiate genuine desire.

This is one of my best known quotes because it resonates with so many men. There was a time in the early 2000s when I was doing peer counseling for men – most of whom were at least a decade my senior – as part of my undergraduate study and one consistent theme I got from almost all of them was how their marriages (or LTRs) had been so much more sexually satisfying when they were dating their wives or before they’d committed to some kind of exclusivity. That’s always the crux of it for guys. They mistakenly believed that the hot monkey sex they were having with their women prior to “doing the right thing” and getting married or committed was something that would be characteristic of their quality woman into a long term relationship with them.

Why was this the case for guys? I can remember coming up with this quote as part of the advice I was giving while working for one of these men. He, like many of the other guys, had gotten to the point that he would do almost anything to get back to that real desire that convinced him to commit to his wife in the first place. And, like many of these guys, he’d convinced his wife to go to marriage counseling in order to find out what exactly it was that he needed to do to “get her to come around” to wanting to bang him. Nothing was working for him. Even after his sessions he was still either sexless or his wife only begrudgingly would have lackluster ‘starfish’ sex with him. We called that a ‘grudge fuck’ back then.

As a student of behavioral psychology my interest was (still is) in what motivates or incentivizes behavior in people (sometimes animals). What was it that inspires genuine desire as opposed to behavior that still has a purpose, but was more motivated by future outcome. You can make a case that genuine desire is also motivated by a perceived outcome, but in this instance I’m making a distinction between a natural, unsolicited desire as opposed to an incentive based on a preconceived outcome – if all goes according to plan.

This guy broke down in tears with me on at least two occasions. He just couldn’t understand why what was supposed to work (open communication, rational discourse and honest negotiation) wasn’t getting her to “come around” to having sex with him. It was then I thought, you cannot negotiate genuine desire. Either a woman wants  to fuck you or she doesn’t. There are definitely ways to prompt that genuine desire – most of which are behavioral and conditional – but as has been stated many times in the ‘sphere, attraction is not a choice. The key word there is choice. Few men would ‘choose’ to be attracted by an obese woman and in many ways this choice dynamic is why women promoting the ‘body acceptance’ narrative have a tough time of it. For all the nonsense about beauty being a social construct, arousal for men is very much rooted in evolved biology. Men can’t choose to get an erection for a woman they’re simply not aroused by.

The same holds true for women, but the conditions are different. Women can and do have sex for reasons other than genuine desire. Negotiated desire really isn’t desire at all, but women have readily used sexual access to achieve those perceived outcomes I mentioned above here. Negotiated desire only ever leads to obligated compliance. A talented hooker or stripper may be very convincing in her act that she’s really into having sex with a man, but the negotiation that takes place before the act can never make a woman want to have sex with her client. Attraction is not a choice, but really, arousal is not a choice either.

Hormonal

I am presently about half way through my read of Dr. Martie Haselton’s new book Hormonal. I was really anticipating this book’s release, and I had intended to do my first-ever book review of it here, but as I read through I’ve decided not to. I still highly recommend reading it. As you might guess it’s chock full of stats and research confirmation of so much of what I write here that I want to put it at the top of the required Rational Male reading list. I’ve been referencing Dr. Haselton’s (and her colleagues) work since I began this blog, but the delivery of the information was disappointing, and in a lot of instances, very immature and sophomoric. It’s written almost as an apologetic to feminists for having to kill a lot of sacred feminist social convention cows. I feel as if she’s writing ‘down’ to the women who she’ll inevitably market this book to, but, if you can get past her constant attempts to legitimize her feminist credentials, the information is absolute gold.

One aspect of female sexual dynamics that Haselton and her team detail quite a bit is the idea of an Estrus state in human females. I’m not sure how well appreciated this research is in the manosphere, which is one reason I included it in Positive Masculinity, but this concept is really integral to how we define Hypergamy. As most of my readers know, Hypergamy – women’s dualistic sexual strategy (and really life strategy) – is much more than a tendency of a woman to ‘marry up’. In Hormonal the ideas of Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks really solidify with the research.

However, as useful as it is as a catchy euphemism Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks could better be described as Alpha Seed and Beta Need. In a woman’s peak ovulatory phase of her menstrual cycle she enters an estrus state and becomes subject to behaviors that can only be defined as a pretext of seeking Alpha seed. In other words, nature and Hypergamy are very practical in maximizing the chances that a woman may get pregnant with the best available genetic specimen. Granted, the true outcome of all of that is subject to environment and a woman’s personal conditions, but the practicality of it remains the same as it has for 100,000 years. It’s also important to keep in mind that a woman’s behaviors, strategies, rationales and her own interpretation of all of them in those various times and conditions are also a part of the overall latent purpose of a woman consolidating on the best Alpha Seed and Beta to supply her needs.

While women are subject to an estrus state they still require the second half of Hypergamy – the Beta need for security, provisioning, protection, comfort and at least the sharing of parental investment responsibilities for any offspring. Estrus in women is concealed, meaning it is (or used to be) nearly, but not totally undetectable in women. There are in fact various ways men evolved to intuitively determine whether a woman is in an estrus state of fertility; most of these today are socially shamed in men so as to further confuse them and advantage women, but that’s a topic for another essay. A concealed estrus aids women in optimizing both Alpha Seed and Beta Need and it’s likely that much of what accounts for women’s sexual strategy is the result of this concealment.

Now, a lot has been written by myself and others about the impact of meeting a woman’s Beta Need aspect of Hypergamy being served by the state and/or direct or indirect transfers of resources from men to women. Most of my readers are well aware of how this side of Hypergamy has been progressively accommodated for over the past fifty years. In spite of this it’s important to remember that this accommodation of provisioning needs doesn’t eliminate the deeper needs that this side of Hypergamy engenders in women. It may be true that women have never been better provided for in history as far as money and opportunities go, but women still look for emotional security, protection, dominance and comfort in men as part of their innate mental firmware.

As a result of Hypergamy and this concealed estrus state women have been put into a condition of evaluating sex in different aspects today.

Validational Sex

When women look for that Alpha Seed in their peak ovulatory (proliferative) phase, the sex they seek is a desired sex with a man who meets evolutionary criteria. He’s the ‘hawt’ guy, or the man who leaves a woman with an perception of danger or excitement. A lot of men who don’t meet this criteria have a tendency to over-exaggerate this type of man as the ‘Alpha Chad’ and make a ridiculous parody of him as an ego protection mechanism for themselves. Let me state for the record here that every aspect and adjective that this type of guy embodies is mitigated by conditions and contexts. It is just as likely that this conventionally masculine dominant guy is only so according to his most immediate social situation. So spare me the “Chad Thundercock” anxieties.

The sex that women give “enthusiastic consent” for is validational for them. The easy assessment here is that women have a genuine desire to mate with conventionally masculine men who look and act the part – yes, behavioral congruency is vital. If you follow the research women consciously and unconsciously will actively put themselves into environments where the likelihood of their meeting a dominant masculine man who most closely matched that masculine ideal when they are in estrus. They openly and discreetly look of arousal cue from men who best embody what can only be described as Alpha Seed.

I should also add that women in “satisfying relationships” (meaning LTRs where a woman is still very hot for her husband/boyfriend) report an increase in sexual desire (proceptivity) for that guy during this phase. A lot of guys mistakenly think ANY woman will want to seek out extra-pair mating (cheating) opportunities when they’re in estrus. This is only true if a woman isn’t into her current man.

I don’t want to get too lost in the descriptions here. Rather, I want to focus on the associative feelings women get in and after having sex with that Alpha man during estrus. I would argue that Alpha Widows are made in the estrus phase. This is the sex women want to have and are enthusiastic in both the hunt and the act itself. This is largely (presumedly) the sex that men have with their wives-to-be before they marry. It’s this validational sex, the sex that women fantasize about, that men and women want to get back to once they are committed to each other monogamously but now have a dead bedroom. This sex validates a woman’s ego in that it proves to herself that a man of this SMV caliber would want to pin her to the bed and have marathon sex with her. Remember, the latent purpose of this sex, on this side of Hypergamy, is to access the sperm from men with high reproductive value as defined by what our evolved nature predisposes women to be aroused by. Validational sex is sex by choice and genuine desire, and is satisfying on both a psychological level and an evolutionary level.

Transactional Sex

One of the benefits of a concealed estrus is that it allows women a few luxuries. One of these was the ability to confuse men of their paternity. Today this confusion is little more difficult because we’ve got DNA figured out well enough to make accurate assessments, but in our evolutionary past it was important to trick cuckolded fathers into second guessing whether a child was his or not before he killed it and impregnated a woman on his own (this is also why men evolved mate guarding behaviors).

The other advantage of concealed estrus was essentially prostitution. Now, to pretty this up a bit, lets say that women who were sexual with men outside of their fertility window found that sex could be leveraged with non-Alpha men (men they didn’t want to have children with) to encourage them to help with a lot of the chores more Alpha men were less willing (but not entirely unwilling) to do. Enter transactional sex.

As mentioned, the most overt form of transactional sex is prostitution, but it’s impolite to call every woman a whore. In fact it’s impolite to even imply a woman may be having sex for other reasons than validational sex. Today women are contemplating whether or not transactional sex is itself rape since it technically meets the definition of rape (sex women don’t want to have). I discussed this “grey area sex” recently in another essay, but it’s interesting to see women wrestle with transactional sex in an era where the Future is Female and women ought to only have the (validational) sex they want to enthusiastically have.

For most men (i.e the 80% Beta men) transactional sex is where the rubber meets the road. In fact, I’d argue that for most Beta men transactional sex is the only definition of sex they ever really know. That’s kind of sad to think about, but most men never really experience the unfettered feral lust of a woman they’ve chosen to spend the rest of their lives with. I got into this in Saving the Best and Hats Off to the Bull, but I think it’s important for the average man today to acknowledge that it’s highly likely that their wives have shared parts of themselves with, and have lost all inhibitions with, men in their sexual pasts they may never know anything about. That’s a cold bucket of reality a lot of men who unplug from all this have to confront.

Marriage today is almost entirely predicated on on the transactional sex side of Hypergamy. I’m not saying it has to be, nor am I saying it always is, but I’m fairly comfortable in speculating that for most married women sex is reward she uses in the operant conditioning of her husband. And the very fact that this is effective with most husbands throws the power dynamic and Frame of the relationship firmly over to the wife. This has the effect of disqualifying that man from ever (or very rarely) being a candidate for validational sex within that marriage. And this too is another aspect of the transactional sex dynamic that modern feminists are contemplating today – if a woman doesn’t want to have sex with her husband, but does anyway, is it rape? But again, NAMALT, not all marriages are like this or have to be like this. I would also argue that a confident man whom a woman admires, who she recognizes as being above her SMV even if slightly and who has internalized Red Pill awareness within that marriage needn’t be doomed to transactional “duty” sex in his marriage.

Unnegotiated Desire

And so now we come full circle to the men I was counseling back in the day. Because all they’d ever known was transactional sex their deductive male brains attempted to solve their “sex problem” in the most logistical and pragmatic way – negotiate with her. If all sex ever is for a guy is a transaction – a quid pro quo – then it follows he’ll try to find the best way to ‘pay’ for his wife’s sexual access. Hunter Drew and I were recently discussing a man who Dean Abbot has been counseling and one thing we’ve all seen a lot of from young and old Blue Pill Beta men is this logical tendency for them to want to ‘sacrifice their way to happiness with their wives’. It’s as if the more they sacrifice the more they pay for that intimacy they seek, but what they never get is that this only buries their sex lives that much more.

One amazing turn around a lot of married and single Red Pill guys experience when they unplug is the attention they receive from women when they switch from a transactional disposition to a validational disposition with regard to sex. When a man unplugs and cuts himself away from his Blue Pill conditioning one change he makes is a shift from viewing sex as transactional to validational. In the beginning, when men are first learning Game and becoming more Red Pill aware about the nature of women they really don’t recognize this shift in attitude towards sex. When I say men need to make themselves the “prize” with regards to sex and their attention what happens is they go from the “how can I pay for sex to qualify for it with a woman” to “women will recognize that I represent and opportunity for validational sex”.

The Blue Pill conditions men to base their understanding of sex on a transactional paradigm. It’s all scarcity, and luck or providence that a woman might want to fuck them. This is why women get aggravated by the presumption that men might feel they are ‘owed sex‘ in exchange for what they do for them. And why wouldn’t men feel that way? They’ve been conditioned for half a life to believe that they should follow the old social contract and become a man with a lot to offer a woman, a wife. This is the transactional paradigm; I build my life to better accommodate a woman and she reciprocates with sex. Women know this too, so all pretenses of indignation about are complete bullshit. What upsets women is that a Beta man would feel entitled to her sexuality for having accommodated her. Alpha men are entitled to it, accommodations be damned, because he’s the man they want to have sex with.

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M Simon
4 years ago

Oscar C.
March 15, 2018 at 4:04 am

Americanism is based on social advancement. The fact that some people lost before even starting destroys such ideal completely.

You advance as far as your talent will allow. Or should we cancel all races because some people can’t win and worse there are others who can’t even qualify?

M Simon
4 years ago

SJF March 15, 2018 at 7:09 am The rules biology provides are really simple and few. Here is one you see frequently. “He mistreated me. I thought it meant he loved me.” Because biology is simple it means it can be tricked. At least for a while. I tell the LTR all the time, “I abuse you because you want to feel loved.” Occasionally she complains, “That is so unromantic.” I counter with, “It works.” I also tell her, “If you accepted how your mechanism really works you could make better adjustments and you would be happier.” She agrees. But… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago
Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

“That’s a myth. That’s impertinent Buffering. ‘So you are saying’ the red pill is hard, so I’ll absolve myself from using Game to get better. It’s hard so I’ll just think more. Instead of doing. That’s weak.” SJF – focus (on the concept content). Be careful with the ‘so you are saying’ trap. Now seeking to know the root and secondary motivations of others is one of the prescriptions offered by redpill awareness – that’s true. But if you practice that seeking in a way that blocks your mind from actually uncovering said motivations, by way of too much assumption… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
4 years ago

“THEN YOU AIN”T SANTA CLAUSE … CAUSE IT AIN”T A MINDSET.”

disagree.

santa claus = moloch

both cause pain to children placed in their laps and both are fictional characters

fictional characters = mindset. they live nowhere else

any man can lead a cult

“He’s 6-4, weighs 225 lbs has a body fat of 5% and is in incredible physical shape has played 20 yrs in the NFL without a major injury. ”

bread and circus shit. disregard.

any man can lead a cult

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Oscar I’m not all that into ” americanism ” because I’m fiercely anti herd mentality. I watch the mental gymnastics of people trying to justify such things, but overall the end results aren’t something I find all that appealing. I’ve mentioned before the tendency for people, and particularly males, to desperately search for something to cede their power to. In order to ” belong “, you must place yourself in a box, or allow others to show you which box you fit into. Those boxes contain prescribed limitations that you must adhere to. That way, you ” know ” who… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Wild Man: “focus (on the concept content).”

Baudrillard is the grand champion of talking much while saying little to nothing, but you’re trying harder. Focus your writing if you want people to focus on your concepts. I can decipher your comments, but I can’t find an ROI to motivate the effort.

@Mega:

You are playing the Winning by Private Definition game, and flailing around in self-rationalization, which isn’t pretty.

M Simon
4 years ago

For the geeks and nerds. Dominance hierarchies as dissipative structures. Structures that get their form from the energy flowing through them.

https://youtu.be/_GtYEPoc9wM

M Simon
4 years ago

Blaximus
March 15, 2018 at 7:56 am

And most boxed people believe so strongly that they will perish if unboxed.

Reminds me of a Russian Revolution story. A Princess was lost to the mob because she was incapable of crossing the street without courtiers making a path for her.

She lost her box.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Nuance, balance, and a magnanimous spirit is called for in these redpill endeavors.”

That’s either gay or feminine.

“I can decipher your comments, but I can’t find an ROI to motivate the effort.”

Exactly, I was joking about not being able to understand. And hence, also my indifference. No bread crumbs there, leading to anywhere.

I can’t even bother myself to italicize his quotes…..

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Game the (box ) system. Lol. That’s why I try to explain that ” game ” is much more than chasing pussy.

Speak the language of the box people.

fleezer
fleezer
4 years ago

the eternal battle (balancing) of civilized homo sapien sapiens:

divine male = patriarchy = david/solomon = jesus = jew/protestant

divine female = the state = nimrod/europa = catholic = muslim = rome

compare nimrod’s vatican temple to solomons temple in the city of david

i know who I’m betting on

red pill/game best prepares men modern for the age of the divine female

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Yup.

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Oscar C.
4 years ago

The way I see it, both sides of the debate are right, providing that they are assigned to the correct level:

-RP is for the micro, personal level.
-HBD, sociology is for the macro, societal level.

The ‘Blaxerian’ can do attitude is the mindset the individual should adopt, pushing himself to achieve more, self-improving, etc.

But such approach is not for the statesman or policy maker, who must take account of the limitations of the average individual and plan accordingly.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

kfg – a bit off topic, but thanks for the Jean Baudrillard reference anyways. I didn’t really know much of anything about him. Just read the wikipedia article – and I disagree (at least for now) with your judgment about him – obviously a penetrating superior intellect. Anyway – two take aways by way of a review of the wikipedia article: 1) I see no reference to Darwinian selection theoretics mentioned with respect to his work. If that turns out to be accurate – could be the reason why he has been loosely associated with the postmodernists. Discounting the reality… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

Hahaha! – to know the Blaxicon is to grok the Blaxerian, as Baudrillard would probably say. Hey Blax – no offense – I really like most of your stuff – but I couldn’t resist the urge towards synthesis. And the Blaxicon is a most robust lexicon I might add.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

SJF – for today, your loss I guess. But for another day, please do yourself a favor and give the Chapter 1 of the Jordan Peterson book a try.

I would like to here your thoughts on that at some point (or not – your own personal call, as always, for all of us).

Oscar C.
4 years ago

@Blax

Nice metaphor. I think you described pretty well the Alpha mindset right there as well. My father is exactly like that, refusing to play along somebody else’s tune, or “box”. He has never voted in his entire life and likes to occasionally poke fun at my mom’s religiousness, by saying that priests have secret mistresses or stuff like that. He goes his own way, literally. He went out alone when he was younger, he pioneered some international routes in his former company, etc.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Wild Man: “I will take your comparison of me to Jean Baudrillard as compliment . . .”

This is my fake surprise face.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“give the Chapter 1 of the Jordan Peterson book a try.”

Will do Wild Man.

I’ve only read chapter 9 so far. His content is intellectually stimulating for sure. And his abstractions and his allegories.

I also have tickets to go see him on a lecture for his book tour on a guys night out with my redpill buddy in the near future. I’m not into him for trad con or blue/purple pill. His other intellectual stuff is a good toolbox of stuff to work with.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Holmes still listed as a Horatio Alger Award winner https://horatioalger.org/members/member-detail/?id=003j000000ibsbJAAQ Apparently she still embodies these values… At least Jordan Belfort gave us Wolf of Wall Street, i suspect no such similarly entertaining story here. PS – after looking at some of the videos, TrannyDar is chirping… add the penchant for turtlenecks… her manner is extremely weird. http://www.brandchannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/theranos-elizabeth-holmes-inc.jpg What a massive swindle, they all bought what they were looking for. And that is how you run a con. Since its incorporation in 2003, Holmes has been the company’s chief executive officer. She recruited Channing Robertson, a chemical-engineering professor at Stanford, to… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“Baudrillard’s writing is open to several criticisms. He fails to defibne key terms, such as the code; his writing style is hyperbolic and declaritive, often lacking sustained, systematic analysis when it is appropriate; he totalizes his insights, refusing to qualify or delinmit his claims. He writes about particular experiences, television images, as if nothing else in society mattered, extrapolating a bleak view of the world from that limited base. He ignores contradictory evidence. ” — His editor trying to cast him in as favorable a light as possible Wild Man just needs to figure out how to squeeze even more… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
4 years ago


“I also have tickets to go see him on a lecture for his book tour”

Ditto. Which city?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGfaJZAdfNE

“First they think you’re crazy, then they fight you, then you change the world.”

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

kfg – well this editor’s criticism sure puts a different spin on it (no sense of that from the wikipedia article – I guess because the wikipedia article was focusing on the content of Baudrillard’s work and not the style). I agree that style is an important consideration as well (with respect to content promotionalization). Jeez Louise I did it again – ‘promotionalization’. I guess this is my fake/real (but more actual) sad face (in keeping with the spirit of Baudrillardism – hahaha!). But kfg – you do have a point there. Style is certainly not my forte (I’m gonna… Read more »

mersonia
4 years ago

@sentient

That’s not Marilyn Manson…………….

fleezer
fleezer
4 years ago

“TrannyDar is chirping”

people are gonna FREAK out when they learn who all the trannies are

bahomet is a tranny

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

Sentient – on Theranos – yes – from the wikipedia article: “Since its incorporation in 2003, Holmes has been the company’s chief executive officer. She recruited Channing Robertson, a chemical-engineering professor at Stanford, to be a technical advisor and the company’s first board member during its early years. Sunny Balwani, a software engineer Holmes had met during high school, joined the company as its president and chief operating officer in 2009.[59] In July 2011, Holmes was introduced to former Secretary of State George Shultz, who joined the Theranos board of directors that same month.[60] Over the next three years, Shultz… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Elizabeth Holmes is sporting a testosterone level of at least 700. Can’t wear a thong because the string separates it’s balls and is uncomfortable.

Btw/OT – Jim Cramer is a fuxking financial moron.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

People who do not have a dependence on Baudrillard for their living (like actual philosophers) often note that the most obvious factor in his “style” is that it lacks content: He is a hit with the midwit lay public (whose capacity for understanding is stretched by The Learning Channel, which they think is educational) who think that incomprehensibility is a signifier of intelligence (as they do not understand the intelligent, therefore, if they don’t understand it . . . ), but actual philosophers tend to think of him as a con man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYWRSNQGu2o&index=7&list=PLODZXSrjn2cJayr0SxhrfYRRgs2eQ4dA0 Consider it a compliment that I am… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“bahomet is a tranny”

And a mid-19th century invention.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

kfg – thanks (I think?). That bit about the editor’s criticism (“He fails to define key terms”) being about content as well, didn’t go over my head. The rest of this editor’s criticisms is mostly about style, but alas, style that is derived from this one key content criticism.

That’s why I chose to take your criticism of my writing being of style (and not so much about content), because I’m sure you have noticed, I have been a real stickler with respect to definitions, with respect to my posting history here.

M Simon
4 years ago

Wild Man
March 15, 2018 at 10:07 am

Re: Trump

First clue – casino business – notorious for money “laundering”.
Second clue – where he comes down on the drug issue compared to 27 years (or so) ago.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/company-744807-trump-joke.html

I still prefer him to the alternatives presented.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Definition is not a matter of form. If a definition is gobbledygook it is not, in fact, a definition. Compositing a text of neologisms and goobbledygook definitions is a form of obscurantist intellectual fraud.

Teilhard de Chardin tended that way, and he was copied by . . . L. Ron Hubbard.

If your philosophical “style” is the basis for Scientology’s style, there just might be something wrong with your philosophy.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

M Simon – yes – there are tells with respect to Trump’s history and connections both ways. And that is plenty intriguing. On his earlier views about the the utter disaster that was the ‘War on Drugs’, yes – I very much noticed his change of tune during the campaign. He was rather nuanced about it though. Basically said ‘my previous views are not appropriate for the conditions present at this current time’. His rationale: The pervasive influence of the multi-leveled gang-style nature of the foreign illicit drug cartels that have penetrated so far into the US economy and culture… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

“Teilhard de Chardin tended that way, and he was copied by . . . L. Ron Hubbard.”

I share your sentiment with respect to Teilhard de Chardin …. L. Ron Hubbard …. should go without any necessity of saying.

There is nothing wrong with the use of neologisms per se (precision my friend).

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Blax

Cramer is a cuck shill. He should be hung. The list grows.

Rollo

https://www.twitter.com/RationalMale/status/973994659335647232

That would be a great post.

LEX
LEX
4 years ago

She has that same crazed look in her eye that Tony Blair has/had. Instant distrust from me.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“He should be hung. The list grows.”

There’s plenty of rope hanging around already, but I can’t make and install lampposts fast enough to keep up with demand.

M Simon
4 years ago

Wild Man
March 15, 2018 at 10:52 am

Everything he has DONE supports the cartels.

If you listen to words from a pol you can’t help but fall into error.

Now I admit that screwing with 10% of the world’s money flows is going to cause some problems. And the US is the #1 beneficiary of those flows. Still…..

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Was listening to country…just love this song…”Uncle Pen” by Ricky Skaggs

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

Everything? – his immigration policies are not supportive of the illicit drug cartels.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@M Simon:

Supply and interdiction are both profit centers. The obvious thing to do is control the market end to end.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Wild Man should study Spartan speech patterns.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

And Bill Monroe – bluegrass genius. Musical genius. I hold this Bill Monroe in highest regards that way. He also possesses an absolutely silky high tenor voice too (I sing bass so I sure can’t do that) Nice vid.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

“bluegrass genius. Musical genius. I hold this Bill Monroe in highest regards that way.”

Gamer applies Spartan fluff filter…

“bluegrass genius”

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

theasdgamer – laconic – yes. True genius, style-wise, when one runs across that. Ernest Hemingway for instance. I do want to take up the study of the craft of creative writing. I think I might have a work of fiction or two in me somewhere – shit – I have seen some crazy stuff hanging with the wrong people, at different times, on my life’s journey. I do know all about the psychopathic. Not really what people think it is in my estimation. I do believe alot of people might find descriptions of that compelling. I guess I got to… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

How to invent Bluegrass:

Take real country songs (i.e. Appalachian Scots songs), play them all as a two step and throw in some jazz notes.

How to invent Rock & Roll:

Play Bluegrass as a ragtime two step.

fleezer
fleezer
4 years ago

male = blue pill = lies, empathy, progress, stability, conservative, creation female = red pill = truth, hypergamy, retardation, chaos, fascist, destruction all schools obsessed with the birth canal, the penis and the stars all economic/political/religious systems based on controlling the fucking of the ape that won’t stop fucking it will fuck pretty much anything under any conditions it chooses fucking over pretty much any other thing learning the rules about how and why the ape that won’t stop fucking fucks could be a key to doing whatever the fuck you want in apetown mr unknown unknowns said there are… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

What’s with the enmity towards Jim Cramer? And how is he a cuck?

He’s often an antidote to masculine indecisivess in investing in equities.

M Simon
4 years ago

SJF
March 15, 2018 at 11:47 am

Cramer is a joke.

Re: Trump

Another tell is his choice of SOS.

Immigration? Who will the wall benefit? Those most organized.

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
4 years ago

@Blaximus: If EH has T of 700, it’s time to hit the weights hard before diabetes creeps in. I’ve just lost 25 lbs of body fat doing exactly what my buddies Jay Campbell and Jim Brown told me to do, and I follow Jim Brown’s workout regimen “Forged” http://amzn.to/2DyyRfy

Jim Cramer has three roles as actor:
Distract fools
Derail fools
Defund fools

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
4 years ago

David Petraeus, Paula Broadwell, Natalie Khawam triangle…

https://twitter.com/sambotta/status/974179776763191296

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
4 years ago

Please withhold all negative comments about Gloria Allred.

She’s helping me with a situation involving a couple of beta “males”

She can’t stand the Beta, so there is common ground

Update forthcoming

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

M Simon – sorry, not sure what the SOS reference means? Hopefully the wall (just one of many necessary immigration actions) will benefit current U.S. citizens the most, by way of migrating to a hard vetting methodology (as is used in Canada, at least pre-Trudeau), seeking only those that have some promise of being a good fit (skilled, ambitious, or with assets to invest locally, and not in the camp of enemies of western values), however, how well Canada has manged the ‘not in the camp of enemies of western values’ is a very deep topic, very open to debate.… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

SJF

Well you can look at his enabling The Dissembler in that thread up above for starters…

Or maybe this chestnut…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Alb_rr0AQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkytKDzCEeU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RkqzRs95Sc

He is a journo playing Wall Streeter. Entertainment.

Proof?

Real Wall Streeters make 100x what he does by putting their money where their mouth is. He puts your money where his mouth is.

Top traders and investors are still at the wheel, not touting, not selling advertising.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

Cramer’s advice is useful. It lets you know what people who take his advice are doing, allowing you to devise a strategy to take their money.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

You know it’s bad when you can’t defend yourself to the execrable Jon Leibowitz. another fictional character.

M Simon
4 years ago

Wild Man
March 15, 2018 at 12:23 pm

SOS = Secretary of State

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

I wasn’t aware of Jim Cramer’s touting of Theranos which was outlier fraud by a Siren, nor his Bear Sterns rec. which was a Black Swan event. “Cramer’s advice is useful. It lets you know what people who take his advice are doing, allowing you to devise a strategy to take their money.” Yes indeedy. I’ve found his trading skills and pulse on equities to be good. I’ve never trusted his recs. without due diligence or without vetting his recommendations. I used buy and sell stocks in a mad money account, but gave that up because I devoted a lot… Read more »

anon
anon
4 years ago

Cramer hasn’t beat the S&P, even by selling short while touting the stock on his show to generate a spike. S & P is boring, but hard to beat. I beat the S & P by dollar cost averaging into the S & P.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

M Simon – Mike Pompeo? (just heard abou that) – don’t know much about him (other than he has a penchant for phrasing things in ideological terms – ‘battle of good and evil’, ‘Snowden deserves the death sentence’,’Assange an enemy of western values’ etc.). These statements by Pompeo are disturbing, and seem to run counter to the sentiment of Trump’s core (not fringe) base, that wants the Deep State circumstance addressed (Assange and Snowden were both instrumental in popularizing the existence of Deep State activities). At first glance looks like this move is a reinforcement of Deep State – yikes.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Bear Stearns wasn’t a black swan. Nobody should have been surprised. We’re still in some dangerous territory. Very dangerous.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“Bear Stearns wasn’t a black swan. Nobody should have been surprised.” Your wisdom, intelligence and solipsism, as well as the fact that you are and apex outlier is showing there Blax. The fact that the housing bubble burst is no surprise. That Bear Stearns stock might go from $69 to $2 because of it, Yeah. Really Black Swan. That was pretty non-predictable. But I don’t have skin in the game. I wasn’t hurt by 2001 or 2009 bubbles. And I have schadenfreude free energy banked for those that did. What we call here a Black Swan (and capitalize it) is… Read more »

boulderhead
4 years ago

“Bear Stearns wasn’t a black swan. Nobody should have been surprised. We’re still in some dangerous territory. Very dangerous.”

Didn’t surprise me in the least, there never was a housing bubble, rather a speculative investment bubble. These days it’s an everything bubble.

There’s a surplus of well off people with mediocre talent that owe everything to the credit crisis,er bubble , when we talk about it bursting it scares the hell outa them the though of having to borrow from their poor but capable neighbors, the rich will steal from the poor as they always have.

MichItaly
MichItaly
4 years ago

@ The Solitary Silver Fox

Yours about (psychological/financial) rape are sensible words.
Unfortunately males do not have intragender solidarity drives, and this lets the playing field be always tilted against them.

As for your hopes that subservient rugs and mats may turn into rebels and people who stand their ground and refuse to serve as tools — I share that hope, as I do the knowledge it’s an impossible hope.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

@ SJF Let’s see if I can explain 1 aspect of the ” black swan ” that wasn’t really a black swan, without doxxing myself even further.😁 The ” housing ” bubble had to be fueled by something. Banks were complicent in making trillions in bullshit loans with all manner of crazy mechanisms that never really existed before, or at least weren’t options offered to the general public. They knew absolutely that the odds were pretty good that this shit would explode eventually no matter how much they rigged the system. My issue with asswipes like Cramer, is that if… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

TL;DR

Stay the fuck out of debt. Ignore bubbles, even stock market bubbles ( the correction will assrape you ), because no one will ever save you or make you whole. It’s a one way door that’s not going your way.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Ohnyeah, I forgot – read The Big Short. There are a couple of dozen books that explain what went wrong, and they pretty much all sync up. I first read about swaps destroying the Mexican banks ( we bailed them out ) back in the late 80’s, early 90’s.

Never thought they could do that here.

Thanks Clinton!!!!!

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
4 years ago

The essay picture has had this Bond Theme playing in my head–probably only bested by Goldfinger. You only live twice Or so it seems One life for yourself And one for your dreams You drift through the years And life seems tame Till one dream appears And Love is its name And love is a stranger Who’ll beckon you on Don’t think of the danger Or the stranger is gone This dream is for you So pay the price Make one dream come true You only live twice And love is a stranger Who’ll beckon you on Don’t think of… Read more »

M Simon
4 years ago

Wild Man March 15, 2018 at 3:04 pm What do you think this change-out (Tillerson out, Pompeo to CIA in 2017 and to SOS now) signals? That the intel agencies are now fully in charge of drug policy. If you want some of the back story read McCoy – “The Politics of Heroin” . Free on the www. The very short version – it goes back to China and the opium trade. i.e. the Brits essentially handed us the business after WW2. Funny enough the one GOOD thing Obama did was cut them back a bit. Trump has put them… Read more »

M Simon
4 years ago

Wild Man, Also look up ” Catherine Austin Fitts Narco News ” This bit by a former Dillon, Read partner and former HUD Secretary under Bush 1 has been going around: “After reading Dark Alliance, I started to study the extraordinary moneymaking business that DOJ and agencies like HUD had built in enforcement that really only made sense if in fact the government was entirely complicit in narcotics trafficking and related mortgage and mortgage securities fraud.” If you want to read more about how drug money took down the country you can read Financial Coup d’Etat. If you want the… Read more »

M Simon
4 years ago

Another link for your edification. The author is former HUD under secretary C.A. Fitts. http://www.dunwalke.com/16_Financial_Coup_d-Etat.htm The response from the pension fund investors was quite positive until the President of the CalPers pension fund — the largest in the country — said, “You don’t understand. It’s too late. They have given up on the country. They are moving all the money out in the fall (of 1997). They are moving it to Asia.” He did not say who “they” were but did indicate that it was urgent that I see Nick Brady — as if our data that indicated that there… Read more »

M Simon
4 years ago

#metoo hits a bump in the road – special bonus of a guy with ONE-itis and he hasn’t even met the object of his affections yet.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/15/the-katy-perry-forced-kiss-controversy-shows-whats-wrong-with-the-metoo-movement/

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Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Henry Merritt “Hank” Paulson Jr. (born March 28, 1946) is an American banker who subsequently served as the 74th Secretary of the Treasury. Prior to his role in the Department of the Treasury, Paulson was the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Goldman Sachs.”

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/paulson.jpg

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

All bankers should dedicate a park, replete with gilded statue of Paulson.

The former central banker Timothy Geithner was no better with regard to assisting Americans crushed after ” The Great Recession ” ( which qualified as a depression, but we don’t use those words anymore ).

You have to hand it to Sachs. They’ve developed a pretty cool pipeline into high government/administration positions.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Blax

You have to hand it to Sachs. They’ve developed a pretty cool pipeline into high government/administration positions.

It’s the other way round… they pick those who pick.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Absolutely. That’s why Hillary was recorded giving a speech or in a meeting, where she declared that even though she had to say certain things and promote certain policy, she considered herself ” one of them ” ( that was a little bombshell that got very little attention ). When Obama took office, after breaking contribution records, especially from Wall Street, he immediately pronounced that we would not look ” backwards ” ( Wrt the Iraq war and financial collapse ) and would concentrate on looking forward. DOJ was disappointed, as they had the evidence to lock up many responsible… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

sweet. Old Guys rule!

newlyaloof
4 years ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Newly Good video. A little harsh, but generally accurate. 2 things: 1) I gave my daughters some ” silver certificates ” ( my father is a rabid collector of them ) and a lesson/explanation of what they represented. This led to a longer and ongoing discussion about banks, interest and the control of nations vs what we believe capitalism is. 2) I was following Libya’s currency adventure for a few years, and I’d watched Gaddafi’s speeches given all over Africa concerning the establishment of a gold backed African currency. After a while, I announced to friends and family, who were… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

M Simon – thanks for all the info. I just saw your first comment here re my Pompeo query before this morning. I gotta admit this is bothering me a bit (cognitive dissonance – can’t get my head around it). Went to sleep with that on my mind (wondering why I got some diffuse cognitive dissonance happening, sourced by way of convos here yesterday) and had weird dreams last night. One of the strangest dream snippets: Some sort of guru type is admonishing me that, with regards to best practices meditation-wise, I should look at the facsimile and compare it… Read more »

anon
anon
4 years ago

Pilot friend of mine (United) did hops to Venezuela on the regular, when Chavez was alive.
He told me that none of the hotels (or major restaurants/touristy areas) accepted their own currency. They wanted US dollars (or US credit cards…which resolved to some place in the states, not Venezuela).

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Breaking dependence on debt driven fiat currency is a process. A long process. Not for the feint of heart.

And it will come with a heavy price.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Wild Man: You somehow think that foreign countries don’t have banks, governments and intelligence agencies, that somehow foreign countries (where most of the drugs, ya know, come from) are not related to the American drug trade? @Blax: Yes the price is heavy, but not paying it will impose a far heavier oruce -eventually So of course that is what we will do, because to fix it means we pay the price today, whereas to ignore it until it all goes to hell lets us enjoy watching the game today. My mom was due to return from a winter in Mexico… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“oruce”

Touch typist on a compressed keyboard failure.

M Simon
4 years ago

Blaximus
March 16, 2018 at 8:28 am

Venezuela got into trouble because it doesn’t control the price of oil.

M Simon
4 years ago

Wild Man
March 16, 2018 at 8:47 am

The purpose of meditation and the rest is to quiet your internal noise maker so you can hear signals formerly lost in the noise. We ARE closer to GOD (what ever that means) than we think. To a very great extent it is built into our brains.

Wild Man
Wild Man
4 years ago

“You somehow think that foreign countries don’t have banks, governments and intelligence agencies, that somehow foreign countries (where most of the drugs, ya know, come from) are not related to the American drug trade?” kfg – yes – I did get that. It’s the level of complicity I am wondering about. And how intentional it is. Is it by someone’s ( a cabal’s) design? Or is the complicity more-so a diffuse result of of the consequences of human nature? M Simon pointed our yesterday: “What irks me the most is that at least at the highest levels they understand the… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Blax, I’m shocked, shocked (!!!) that POTUS would be involved in drug politics in a country like ours where drugs are so popular.

Wild Man, why in hell would such credulous simpletons like the apostles say shit like, “we cannot stop speaking of what we have seen and heard?” It’s almost like they relied on empirical evidence or something. This does not compute.

M Simon
4 years ago

Wild Man,

Just to add to your cog. diss. – Tojo (of Japanese WW2 fame) was involved in the Manchurian drug trade.

The secret advantage of the drug trade for the US is the high profits. It means other sectors can be run at a loss or low profit. Money launderers (banks) can get cuts as high as 30%.

You make the illegal sector more profitable by raising the perceived risk (“death for drug dealers”).

M Simon
4 years ago

theasdgamer
March 16, 2018 at 9:56 am

In the 60s something like this was going around (for obvious reasons):

“Believe in God? I don’t have to. I have seen him.”

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“It’s the level of complicity I am wondering about. And how intentional it is.” Why do you think they call it an “International banking system?” It wouldn’t work at all if they weren’t all in it together. The reserve banks share directors, the same names running the currencies of the various countries, all centralized in the currency exchanges. Your “money” (your debt notes) do not come from your government (they just take out the debt in your name, whether you like it or not), It comes from the directors of your reserve bank, which is networked with all the other… Read more »

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