Transactional vs. Validational Sex

You cannot negotiate genuine desire.

This is one of my best known quotes because it resonates with so many men. There was a time in the early 2000s when I was doing peer counseling for men – most of whom were at least a decade my senior – as part of my undergraduate study and one consistent theme I got from almost all of them was how their marriages (or LTRs) had been so much more sexually satisfying when they were dating their wives or before they’d committed to some kind of exclusivity. That’s always the crux of it for guys. They mistakenly believed that the hot monkey sex they were having with their women prior to “doing the right thing” and getting married or committed was something that would be characteristic of their quality woman into a long term relationship with them.

Why was this the case for guys? I can remember coming up with this quote as part of the advice I was giving while working for one of these men. He, like many of the other guys, had gotten to the point that he would do almost anything to get back to that real desire that convinced him to commit to his wife in the first place. And, like many of these guys, he’d convinced his wife to go to marriage counseling in order to find out what exactly it was that he needed to do to “get her to come around” to wanting to bang him. Nothing was working for him. Even after his sessions he was still either sexless or his wife only begrudgingly would have lackluster ‘starfish’ sex with him. We called that a ‘grudge fuck’ back then.

As a student of behavioral psychology my interest was (still is) in what motivates or incentivizes behavior in people (sometimes animals). What was it that inspires genuine desire as opposed to behavior that still has a purpose, but was more motivated by future outcome. You can make a case that genuine desire is also motivated by a perceived outcome, but in this instance I’m making a distinction between a natural, unsolicited desire as opposed to an incentive based on a preconceived outcome – if all goes according to plan.

This guy broke down in tears with me on at least two occasions. He just couldn’t understand why what was supposed to work (open communication, rational discourse and honest negotiation) wasn’t getting her to “come around” to having sex with him. It was then I thought, you cannot negotiate genuine desire. Either a woman wants  to fuck you or she doesn’t. There are definitely ways to prompt that genuine desire – most of which are behavioral and conditional – but as has been stated many times in the ‘sphere, attraction is not a choice. The key word there is choice. Few men would ‘choose’ to be attracted by an obese woman and in many ways this choice dynamic is why women promoting the ‘body acceptance’ narrative have a tough time of it. For all the nonsense about beauty being a social construct, arousal for men is very much rooted in evolved biology. Men can’t choose to get an erection for a woman they’re simply not aroused by.

The same holds true for women, but the conditions are different. Women can and do have sex for reasons other than genuine desire. Negotiated desire really isn’t desire at all, but women have readily used sexual access to achieve those perceived outcomes I mentioned above here. Negotiated desire only ever leads to obligated compliance. A talented hooker or stripper may be very convincing in her act that she’s really into having sex with a man, but the negotiation that takes place before the act can never make a woman want to have sex with her client. Attraction is not a choice, but really, arousal is not a choice either.

Hormonal

I am presently about half way through my read of Dr. Martie Haselton’s new book Hormonal. I was really anticipating this book’s release, and I had intended to do my first-ever book review of it here, but as I read through I’ve decided not to. I still highly recommend reading it. As you might guess it’s chock full of stats and research confirmation of so much of what I write here that I want to put it at the top of the required Rational Male reading list. I’ve been referencing Dr. Haselton’s (and her colleagues) work since I began this blog, but the delivery of the information was disappointing, and in a lot of instances, very immature and sophomoric. It’s written almost as an apologetic to feminists for having to kill a lot of sacred feminist social convention cows. I feel as if she’s writing ‘down’ to the women who she’ll inevitably market this book to, but, if you can get past her constant attempts to legitimize her feminist credentials, the information is absolute gold.

One aspect of female sexual dynamics that Haselton and her team detail quite a bit is the idea of an Estrus state in human females. I’m not sure how well appreciated this research is in the manosphere, which is one reason I included it in Positive Masculinity, but this concept is really integral to how we define Hypergamy. As most of my readers know, Hypergamy – women’s dualistic sexual strategy (and really life strategy) – is much more than a tendency of a woman to ‘marry up’. In Hormonal the ideas of Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks really solidify with the research.

However, as useful as it is as a catchy euphemism Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks could better be described as Alpha Seed and Beta Need. In a woman’s peak ovulatory phase of her menstrual cycle she enters an estrus state and becomes subject to behaviors that can only be defined as a pretext of seeking Alpha seed. In other words, nature and Hypergamy are very practical in maximizing the chances that a woman may get pregnant with the best available genetic specimen. Granted, the true outcome of all of that is subject to environment and a woman’s personal conditions, but the practicality of it remains the same as it has for 100,000 years. It’s also important to keep in mind that a woman’s behaviors, strategies, rationales and her own interpretation of all of them in those various times and conditions are also a part of the overall latent purpose of a woman consolidating on the best Alpha Seed and Beta to supply her needs.

While women are subject to an estrus state they still require the second half of Hypergamy – the Beta need for security, provisioning, protection, comfort and at least the sharing of parental investment responsibilities for any offspring. Estrus in women is concealed, meaning it is (or used to be) nearly, but not totally undetectable in women. There are in fact various ways men evolved to intuitively determine whether a woman is in an estrus state of fertility; most of these today are socially shamed in men so as to further confuse them and advantage women, but that’s a topic for another essay. A concealed estrus aids women in optimizing both Alpha Seed and Beta Need and it’s likely that much of what accounts for women’s sexual strategy is the result of this concealment.

Now, a lot has been written by myself and others about the impact of meeting a woman’s Beta Need aspect of Hypergamy being served by the state and/or direct or indirect transfers of resources from men to women. Most of my readers are well aware of how this side of Hypergamy has been progressively accommodated for over the past fifty years. In spite of this it’s important to remember that this accommodation of provisioning needs doesn’t eliminate the deeper needs that this side of Hypergamy engenders in women. It may be true that women have never been better provided for in history as far as money and opportunities go, but women still look for emotional security, protection, dominance and comfort in men as part of their innate mental firmware.

As a result of Hypergamy and this concealed estrus state women have been put into a condition of evaluating sex in different aspects today.

Validational Sex

When women look for that Alpha Seed in their peak ovulatory (proliferative) phase, the sex they seek is a desired sex with a man who meets evolutionary criteria. He’s the ‘hawt’ guy, or the man who leaves a woman with an perception of danger or excitement. A lot of men who don’t meet this criteria have a tendency to over-exaggerate this type of man as the ‘Alpha Chad’ and make a ridiculous parody of him as an ego protection mechanism for themselves. Let me state for the record here that every aspect and adjective that this type of guy embodies is mitigated by conditions and contexts. It is just as likely that this conventionally masculine dominant guy is only so according to his most immediate social situation. So spare me the “Chad Thundercock” anxieties.

The sex that women give “enthusiastic consent” for is validational for them. The easy assessment here is that women have a genuine desire to mate with conventionally masculine men who look and act the part – yes, behavioral congruency is vital. If you follow the research women consciously and unconsciously will actively put themselves into environments where the likelihood of their meeting a dominant masculine man who most closely matched that masculine ideal when they are in estrus. They openly and discreetly look of arousal cue from men who best embody what can only be described as Alpha Seed.

I should also add that women in “satisfying relationships” (meaning LTRs where a woman is still very hot for her husband/boyfriend) report an increase in sexual desire (proceptivity) for that guy during this phase. A lot of guys mistakenly think ANY woman will want to seek out extra-pair mating (cheating) opportunities when they’re in estrus. This is only true if a woman isn’t into her current man.

I don’t want to get too lost in the descriptions here. Rather, I want to focus on the associative feelings women get in and after having sex with that Alpha man during estrus. I would argue that Alpha Widows are made in the estrus phase. This is the sex women want to have and are enthusiastic in both the hunt and the act itself. This is largely (presumedly) the sex that men have with their wives-to-be before they marry. It’s this validational sex, the sex that women fantasize about, that men and women want to get back to once they are committed to each other monogamously but now have a dead bedroom. This sex validates a woman’s ego in that it proves to herself that a man of this SMV caliber would want to pin her to the bed and have marathon sex with her. Remember, the latent purpose of this sex, on this side of Hypergamy, is to access the sperm from men with high reproductive value as defined by what our evolved nature predisposes women to be aroused by. Validational sex is sex by choice and genuine desire, and is satisfying on both a psychological level and an evolutionary level.

Transactional Sex

One of the benefits of a concealed estrus is that it allows women a few luxuries. One of these was the ability to confuse men of their paternity. Today this confusion is little more difficult because we’ve got DNA figured out well enough to make accurate assessments, but in our evolutionary past it was important to trick cuckolded fathers into second guessing whether a child was his or not before he killed it and impregnated a woman on his own (this is also why men evolved mate guarding behaviors).

The other advantage of concealed estrus was essentially prostitution. Now, to pretty this up a bit, lets say that women who were sexual with men outside of their fertility window found that sex could be leveraged with non-Alpha men (men they didn’t want to have children with) to encourage them to help with a lot of the chores more Alpha men were less willing (but not entirely unwilling) to do. Enter transactional sex.

As mentioned, the most overt form of transactional sex is prostitution, but it’s impolite to call every woman a whore. In fact it’s impolite to even imply a woman may be having sex for other reasons than validational sex. Today women are contemplating whether or not transactional sex is itself rape since it technically meets the definition of rape (sex women don’t want to have). I discussed this “grey area sex” recently in another essay, but it’s interesting to see women wrestle with transactional sex in an era where the Future is Female and women ought to only have the (validational) sex they want to enthusiastically have.

For most men (i.e the 80% Beta men) transactional sex is where the rubber meets the road. In fact, I’d argue that for most Beta men transactional sex is the only definition of sex they ever really know. That’s kind of sad to think about, but most men never really experience the unfettered feral lust of a woman they’ve chosen to spend the rest of their lives with. I got into this in Saving the Best and Hats Off to the Bull, but I think it’s important for the average man today to acknowledge that it’s highly likely that their wives have shared parts of themselves with, and have lost all inhibitions with, men in their sexual pasts they may never know anything about. That’s a cold bucket of reality a lot of men who unplug from all this have to confront.

Marriage today is almost entirely predicated on on the transactional sex side of Hypergamy. I’m not saying it has to be, nor am I saying it always is, but I’m fairly comfortable in speculating that for most married women sex is reward she uses in the operant conditioning of her husband. And the very fact that this is effective with most husbands throws the power dynamic and Frame of the relationship firmly over to the wife. This has the effect of disqualifying that man from ever (or very rarely) being a candidate for validational sex within that marriage. And this too is another aspect of the transactional sex dynamic that modern feminists are contemplating today – if a woman doesn’t want to have sex with her husband, but does anyway, is it rape? But again, NAMALT, not all marriages are like this or have to be like this. I would also argue that a confident man whom a woman admires, who she recognizes as being above her SMV even if slightly and who has internalized Red Pill awareness within that marriage needn’t be doomed to transactional “duty” sex in his marriage.

Unnegotiated Desire

And so now we come full circle to the men I was counseling back in the day. Because all they’d ever known was transactional sex their deductive male brains attempted to solve their “sex problem” in the most logistical and pragmatic way – negotiate with her. If all sex ever is for a guy is a transaction – a quid pro quo – then it follows he’ll try to find the best way to ‘pay’ for his wife’s sexual access. Hunter Drew and I were recently discussing a man who Dean Abbot has been counseling and one thing we’ve all seen a lot of from young and old Blue Pill Beta men is this logical tendency for them to want to ‘sacrifice their way to happiness with their wives’. It’s as if the more they sacrifice the more they pay for that intimacy they seek, but what they never get is that this only buries their sex lives that much more.

One amazing turn around a lot of married and single Red Pill guys experience when they unplug is the attention they receive from women when they switch from a transactional disposition to a validational disposition with regard to sex. When a man unplugs and cuts himself away from his Blue Pill conditioning one change he makes is a shift from viewing sex as transactional to validational. In the beginning, when men are first learning Game and becoming more Red Pill aware about the nature of women they really don’t recognize this shift in attitude towards sex. When I say men need to make themselves the “prize” with regards to sex and their attention what happens is they go from the “how can I pay for sex to qualify for it with a woman” to “women will recognize that I represent and opportunity for validational sex”.

The Blue Pill conditions men to base their understanding of sex on a transactional paradigm. It’s all scarcity, and luck or providence that a woman might want to fuck them. This is why women get aggravated by the presumption that men might feel they are ‘owed sex‘ in exchange for what they do for them. And why wouldn’t men feel that way? They’ve been conditioned for half a life to believe that they should follow the old social contract and become a man with a lot to offer a woman, a wife. This is the transactional paradigm; I build my life to better accommodate a woman and she reciprocates with sex. Women know this too, so all pretenses of indignation about are complete bullshit. What upsets women is that a Beta man would feel entitled to her sexuality for having accommodated her. Alpha men are entitled to it, accommodations be damned, because he’s the man they want to have sex with.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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lol…. do that shit!!!

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Repost from last year, and I’m OUT!!!!

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Age, Schmage.

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Transactional sex isn’t all bad. Especially if you have it frequently. I’d rather have transactional sex every day than validation sex only once a week. Getting off feels good. I’m not picky. If she’s into it, great. If not, as long as I’m still getting laid I don’t really care. A lot of sex in marriage is transactional. It should be. She gets to be my wife and gets all the benefits from that and in exchange she has to fuck me. That’s the deal. My litmus test for the health of a relationship is how often I have sex.… Read more »

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Re: Steve Lyon. evidently 1961 was a killer year.

Sentient is dead on again. You are the prize, regardless of the woman’s age, but especially with 20-30 year age gaps. There’s nothing intimidating about a young girl/woman. It’s all in your head. Have fun and enjoy yourself, game hard and well.

50+ year old guys don’t sweat or stress over women. Leave that to young boys trying to figure things out.

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…evidently 1961 was a killer year.

Indeed. A most comfortable year to be borne in.

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Guess I will follow up since my comments were taken out of context and they were meant for Rollo anyway. The basic question was intended to be post-menopausal … how does that affect the basic theory … how are men supposed to act with respect to women, post … “the change”. The other question was related to how humans related to other animals … especially primates. For example with Apes where the Alpha male takes over and gets to fuck ALL the females and all other males leave, get run off, or go MGTOW. Its called being an animal. And… Read more »

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Mega “1. Denial – Still Plugged -In: “These game guys are a bunch of clowns, there’s no way this works on women. Women aren’t stupid. What a bunch of misogynists.” 2. Anger – Post-Red Pill: “This is ridiculous! Why should I have to jump through all these hoops for women? I just want to be myself. Why couldn’t I have been a Natural Alpha®? I blame my parents/siblings/teachers/God/liberals/feminists/media/society, maybe George Sodini, Andres Breivik, James Holmes wasn’t so crazy after all.” 3. Bargaining – Unplugged: “Well maybe it does have some good points…but, forget the hot girls, they’re way outta my… Read more »

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March 11, 2018 at 11:02 pm

One of your best posts so far. Lots of text. Not too many videos.

Excellent analysis btw.

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rugby11
March 11, 2018 at 11:02 pm

how did you unplug? Was there some moment of clarity that opened your eyes?

My first GF (1962) told me to never apologize. it makes you look weak. That was the start.

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And how do you get to the last page of the Field Report ?

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Click on the link to the latest post on the sidebar (if it is a Field Reports post – I just posted one).

That will sometimes work, and sometimes it will take you to the last-but-one page because of a WordPress bug. Then you just have to enter the page number manually in the address bar – it should end with “comment-page-[XX]” where [XX] is the latest page – currently 74.

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@Culum Struan

You seem very handy

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@Rollo: Brother, I think in the near future it would be good to have JBP live with you on YouTube, on the Panel with the rest. I think without even saying it, the magistrate is waiting for that ignited spark. I say this because I came across this talk by JBP & Bettina Arndt and here @ around 23:28 the bring up “Desire”, vis-a-vies the whole ‘lean in’ nonsense and men trying to logically negotiate desire from their wives/women: https://youtu.be/DYHsWY4moQI Also, been hearing some rumblings in the west and now here about “unpaid work” of house wives, not sure if… Read more »

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@Blax: Brilliant cat analogy bruv!😂😂😂

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@LEX – “pussy dehumidifying” 😂😂😂😂😂 I have to use these some time!

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Not magistrate, I meant “the manosphere” 😅😅😅

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March 12, 2018 at 4:03 am

What is with the growth under JP’s nose?

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Some nice words about Chicago. About 3 minutes 57 sec in.

https://youtu.be/PopRzt9jtao

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@Mega

http://www.buddelfisch.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ElliotRodger-FB1-1024×537-700×367.jpg

Nice post bro! 10/10. Keep it coming…

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So give it some thought. Lots of thought.

Did you give it any thought? I mean your argument fails simply using your own words… If Alpha is to be Out Bred, why do all women select for it? Including your mom.

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Nerds…. Let’s help Rollo fix this FR latest post issue.

This looks like it would work. https://coderwall.com/p/7njuaa/linking-a-wordpress-menu-entry-to-the-latest-post

Can anyone post the code for TRM FR to work?

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Mega The idea that alpha always denotes bad boy criminal types is incorrect, as is the notion that society has been trying to get rid of alphas. Alpha is a mindset. A way of thinking and acting. Women find alpha traits attractive, and that attraction is not a choice – simple. Currently some elements of society are desperately trying to ” shame ” alpha masculine behaviors, but masculine will always be the inherent default program running just below the surface for men. The tendency to constantly equate alpha with asshole criminal bad boys is incorrect. This is why alpha is… Read more »

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Human male alphas can also be fathers and strongly invested parents, not just super high n-count fuxking machines, but because women find alpha highly attractive and stimulating, the alpha man always have sexual options even if he chooses not to actively concentrate on them.

well said Blax

Mega you simply don’t understand what is Alpha…

Try this – https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sentients-dynamic-passionate-authentic-framework/

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Hahaha – you’re welcome Other Culum Struan

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Oh, a thought I inadvertently left out before. Prisons are indeed filled with ” alphas “, but the number of angry betas incarcerated is extremely high as well. In my experience in life, beta men raised by single moms are 10x more violently dangerous than an average” alpha ” male. So from a societal standpoint, any attempt to ” breed out ” alpha is misguided ( as well as impossible ). If you look at the average criminal enterprise, it’s never brimming over with alphas. Why is that? One of my favorite illustrative films is The Godfather 1&2. 3 goes… Read more »

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Hey Guys, What’s up? I’m here to get some explanation of a bizarre fact I observe in my sorrounding. Most of the relationship (In my eyes every relationship) is an LTR here. My cousin(male 20 then) dated a girl(16 then) for about 6 months. He lost his frame one time, but dread worked for him excellently, hot had got the frame back. She seemed to qualifying herself at the very end of the relationship even prior to having sex. But after sex they had split. He didn’t tell me what actually happened then. But even with my classmates, they take… Read more »

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“Alpha is a mindset. A way of thinking and acting. Women find alpha traits attractive, and that attraction is not a choice – simple.” @Mega, Newly RP aware invariably get this wrong because all they know is the cartoon version that society/FI is relentlessly shaming them with. Alpha is a mindset. Alpha is singularly characterized by being one’s Mental Point of Origin, from which all behaviors flow. MPoO –> Frame –> behaviors/actions –> Alpha. You lump all ‘bad boys’ together and they have one common trait… they are solidly and effortlessly their MPoO and unapologetically live by the Platinum Rule.… Read more »

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Rollo, you are proved right again.
Jennifer Lawrence, with the “wall” looming close is now a “born again virgin” who hates sex.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5477823/Jennifer-Lawrence-reveals-talks-d-k-rarely-makes-love.html

It’s almost like she, as a woman, instinctively understands that the men she’s interested in (i.e. those on the top of the social hierarchy) are likely, or at least relatively more likely, to be infected with venereal diseases (i.e. to have, or have had, unprotected sex with multiple partners). Who’d have thought?

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Soo, on this marital rape article Rollo posted a few days back… First, I fully believe most people, man and woman, see marriage itself as a blanket consent to sexual interaction. Only in an extreme case of physically forced sexual abuse would I say rape could exist in marriage.. I’d hope said marriage would be ended by or before then. Next, this woman whines and bemoans her state, but says she hasn’t even kissed her husband in YEARS! Then she proudly says she demonstrates feminist behavior. I guess so! What a cunt. I’ll take the opposite side and say how… Read more »

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From Blaximus post, above:- “Prisons are indeed filled with ” alphas “, but the number of angry betas incarcerated is extremely high as well. In my experience in life, beta men raised by single moms are 10x more violently dangerous than an average” alpha ” male.” Most of the deranged mass shooters come from fatherless homes- no one to teach them what it’s is to be a man. The feminzi policies of eradication of the family and suppression of Positive Masculinity have only lead to the creation of these toxic caricatures of men. Toxic men are the creation of feminism… Read more »

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March 12, 2018 at 5:54 am

The LTR sent me links to 3 “relationship” videos yesterday. I watched a minute or two of the first one.

Me: “Those videos are irrelevant.”
She: “Why?”
Me: “I know how to make your pussy wet.”

End of conversation.

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This MPoO concept, as used here among the commentariat (as well as by the host) loosely means: ‘Examine you motivational gestalt. What are you trying to accomplish? What are you trying to obtain for yourself (and by extension for your social groups)? Is this motivational gestalt aligned with better consequences for you (and by extension others in your social groups)?’ Why not change the term of use, to express this, to a phrase or word much more succinct, that everybody will be more likely to understand (instead of possibly confused by), maybe something as simple as ‘perspective’ would do a… Read more »

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Ok a little more background for you guys… That hot blonde upthread Steve Lyon is shooting? https://www.instagram.com/p/BJie1ilAS4F Guess model Marie Ratel who is holding that piece down? 54 YO Stephane Ratel… Check out her feed… https://www.instagram.com/p/BeeXF7alWJw/ You will find a bunch of pics of him… and her professing love for him. Married last year. https://www.instagram.com/p/BcTQ5CllV Who is this DPA cat? http://sportscarpros.anamera.com/cottonballs-features-by-a-m-cotton/features/stephane-because-i-am-worth-it-ratel/default.htm Stephane “because I am worth it” Ratel Pie man Squared Stephane Ratel is a man with his fingers in so many pies he never has need of gloves. The 40-year-old, regarded as the playboy of the BPR series in… Read more »

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http://www.sro-motorsports.com/history Pretty interesting? MPoO on display? When did your passion for motorsport begin? “As strange as it may seem, the first race that I went to, I organized it. [Motorsports] wasn’t in my family genes. Once my driver’s license was in my pocket, I drove a Golf GTI before getting a Porsche 911 SC purchased from Jacques Tropenat, who today is medical delegate for the FIA. “At the time I was buying the car, I noticed photos of the Porsche on the circuit. I asked Jacques to take me to the Porsche Club of France, where I became the youngest… Read more »

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@Sentient nice find. red flag jackpot – unless it’s all fiction, which I could easily see. either way, good for learning as it oozeth from the hamster from: failing at a one night stand “I had broken up with my boyfriend a few months prior to meeting Johnny, and I hadn’t had sex since the break up. I have always been in long term relationships and so I never got the chance to be sexually adventurous with strangers, and it seemed fun, so I decided to go on a mission to have the first 1 night stand of my life.”… Read more »

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Fleezer – funny break down. That was Rugby’s post btw.

But hey take a crack at this too…

I contacted a female friend who’d thoroughly partaken of the sexual revolution of the ’60s. She explained that men had become—what was her word? Timid. And just plain lazy. They no longer needed to pick up on subtlety as women had become the pursuers. Which meant that dressing to highlight my assets and being receptive to opportunity was the equivalent of waving a red flag in front of a blind bull.

http://www.scarymommy.com/failed-one-night-stand/

Will be similarly hilarious.

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“You might get lucky in a different way than you had expected.”

a divorced 50 something is a prize? i am, at the very least, totally fucking entertained

the guy that jammed out while rome burned…

me too

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It’s a lolfest…

Of course, I wondered whether I looked the part to pull off my objective. At fiftysomething, I’m in very good shape, but I packed my Spanx and some body-conscious clothing

Very good shape does not mean what she thinks it means…

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Spanx.

Oh dear…

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It IS all a giant shit test. Life is tough and the weak are mown down in droves, but from conditions of adversity, new and stronger Alphas will be forged, the kind of men that women idealize and fantasize about. These alphas in turn, with their greater options of selectivity, will pick the most desirable from the pack of available females. All the hambeasts (and betas) are doing is weeding themselves out of existence, yes you have the right to that cream cake and I have the right to never, ever fuck you. Disgust is not a choice either, is… Read more »

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“You lump all ‘bad boys’ together and they have one common trait… they are solidly and effortlessly their MPoO and unapologetically live by the Platinum Rule. They exude DPA (dynamism, passion, authenticity) and women are defenseless against them.”

The question is…………why does DPA work for them and not the dedicated nerds…who passionately dynamically and authentically work at their jobs and supplicate to their wifes/girls(they adore but will never obtain)……

so the platinum rule only works for some..

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Also DPA means nothing…

kudos for the platinum rule term tho sentybear

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@mersonia,

Do you have a passion/mission that has nothing to do with pussy?

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@mersonia Good point. Many nerds are indeed very passionate about what they do. Way more than “normies”, I would say. They are also not always ugly or scrawny. Just like feminists are not always fat or unkempt. (I am with @Blax in rethinking cliches such as The Wall :). Lifestyle is key, and with each passing day I am more and more convinced of it. Girls don’t dig your electronic gizmos, sorry. SFC Ton had a while back a post on his blog about a vet he knew that, at least on paper, should have been killing it in the… Read more »

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Mersonia “why does DPA work for them and not the dedicated nerds…who passionately dynamically and authentically work at their jobs and supplicate to their wifes/girls” Very simple. Supplicating is not a masculine trait of value. It’s not authentic, it’s despicable. It may be real nonetheless, i.e. actual. Same as a Playa who has chronic ED and PE. While she may be atttracted to him (which is what my theory suggests, i.e. Alpha is attractive to women. Full stop.) his OTHER actions come to cancel that out. You can only soft serve so many times… So I’ve heard. BP guys who… Read more »

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@ Sentient

Sure man, but these guys have a very high SMV. They are a rare breed indeed in a society that worships “celebrity”. Average alphas without such profile rarely pull these chicks, and if they did, wouldn’t be able to hold them. And who would want to? High maintenance whores, for sure…

It’s great to aim high as an older man, i hear you, but unless you’re a racing car driver, rock star etc, forget these bitchez…

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You will only ever have one life. Just one. At the end of the day…( I gotta stop saying that ) there aren’t really any do overs ( rare ) and no third second chances. ” I/you can’t ” is prophetic. A man can do pretty much anything he wants to if if wants it badly enough. Rock star? Lol, yup, right Rollo? Passion. After walking and learning to piss in a toilet, men need to develop and understand passion. It’s a wonderful lifelong driver. The last time I was truly insulted in my life, was when I shared with… Read more »

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“forget these bitchez…”

Always an option. If you want to.

But realize that very few “celebrities” (your term – I doubt many people know Stephane) start out as such. Which is why I gave the background. Through understanding that, you should be able to connect the dots.

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“But the way I saw life was simply that if I wanted to, if I had passion for a thing, I could do anything. And that’s been the pattern for most of my life. Nothing is impossible or far fetched if you want it and apply yourself with fuxking gusto.”

The journey is the reward.

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https://www.wired.com/story/sex-work-social-media/
https://www.instagram.com/p/4Nu2faKB5d/?hl=en&taken-by=aaronhinde
“You will only ever have one life. Just one. At the end of the day…( I gotta stop saying that ) there aren’t really any do overs ( rare ) and no third second chances.”
https://www.instagram.com/p/s–ZFiKBw7/?hl=en&taken-by=aaronhinde

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@ Sentient Man, i’m glad you’re keeping the positive vibes rocking along. But life has taught me (and i’ve done pretty well over the journey with the ladies) that women just don’t stick around, let alone HB8+’s like you’ve featured with these guys. I know that i need to look within and i am, but i’m struggling at the mo after a long, solitary (mostly) summer. Just can’t seem to shake that female addiction… I am getting out there again this weekend, and playing at a new music festival 8 hours from my home base, so it will be another… Read more »

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I stopped watching Rugby’s video posts a while ago just because of its unmanageable volume, but I made an exception for the South African video up there. I think it is worth taking a moment to watch. Twice-because there messages in there…a load of stuff that is not explicitly stated, (call them sublimininals/insinuations whatever) that may escape ones attention the first time one watches it.

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cheupez
March 12, 2018 at 11:03 pm

That would be the last video here:

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March 11, 2018 at 11:02 pm

??

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cheupez
March 12, 2018 at 11:03 pm

A bunch of whores discussing business. Interesting. AWALT.

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M Simon Hahahaaa… exactly. To much to decompile for sure eg Just the interview panel itself: The aged mama africa feminist with a protuberant belly and a vicious face who foams at the corners of her mouth when she gets talking about “the partriarchy” and drops the bomb about “vagina mistakes” she made when younger just so you dont make the mistake of dismissing her as vaginaless heheheee, the cool model with a long neck and huge bling to emphasize the point, witty intagram comment with a willy smile…travel, party, fun while not trying to look too excited and the… Read more »

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Meant “wily smile” on the huge neck ring girl. In many apects, feminism is a declaration of war on nature. Nature doesnt argue back using smart wise cracks. The consequence of a broken leg is limitation on mobility, so unless you are a milliped…

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@Solitary Silver Fox – I think “celebrity” is kind of a misleading word in this context. I know what you’re trying to get at, but it’s probably more accurate to say something like “exceptional and passionate at *something*” instead of “celebrity”.

That’s what you need for attraction. What you need to get *access* to the 9s and 10s is often conflated with what you need for attraction but it’s actually a separate issue – and for that, yes, it matters how much money you have, it matters what you’re exceptional at and so on.

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Yeah playdontplay and walawala brought that up. I find the reason i share most of it is a reference point of though.

M Simon
Found the wired article interesting.

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Re: All the “be all you can be” stuff and “you can do/be anything you want” BS being handed out here. Uhhm, no you can’t. If you don’t have a high enough IQ (and 51 million Americans have an IQ below 85) you will never be able to program computers or run a data center. Sorry, that’s just bullshit. We used to say “anyone can succeed in America if they are willing to work hard’. Now we dispense fanciful bromides like ‘you can be whatever you want if you try hard enough’, lol. NO YOU FUCKING CAN’T. Your choices in… Read more »

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I stand corrected. Y’all dumb motherfuckers are fucked. Period.😂😂😅 Lol. I get what Scrib is saying, and what the reasoning is, but I say that there’s nothing I have ever done in 56 years that any man coulda done with a high motivation to do so. Yeah, I’ve heard the ” you have limitations ” thing a lot over the years, even from a few people I respected quite a bit, but what I understood was that no one else’s opinions or level of understanding had anything to do with me or what I could accomplish. I’m not talking pie… Read more »

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* disclaimer*

I’m an unabashed supporter of men, so it colors my opinions. Men are fuxking awesome, no homo.

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So Blax agrees with me but doesn’t like the truth, lol. Like who gives a shit? You can develop skills, but God given abilities and talents are out of your control. We used to know this and not be afraid to say it. We also had a society that valued men based on what they did with their God given abilities, not their absolute level of achievement. Consider just the pop culture of the ’60s. I remember watching The Honeymooners on friday nights with the whole family. My mom made a big deal out of it on some Fridays, we’d… Read more »

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“It isn’t coincidental that I’m in the top .3% of the population in verbal and abstract reasoning skills and that I can make my way through this world based on outrageous levels of talent…I was just born with it” and as a consequence of your natural talent a truly dedicated opponent of your organization would immediately target you, pull you out of the ground by your roots and toss you in the wood chipper history’s greasetrap is overflowing with smarty pants exceptions who reasoned they could dance a verbal two step around the stupids better to learn how to obstruct… Read more »

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“For my last two years of high school I didn’t study once or do any homework at home. I made a rule for myself that I had to do it on the bus or in homeroom, or in the class before the teacher collected it, lol. That means all tests, everything. I graduated with a B average and a high enough SAT score for a scholarship and membership in MENSA.” this is one profile I would target for elimination “My sister is an expert in education and my type of learner is pulled out of normal school now if possible… Read more »

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Let me break it down so even Blax can understand it. Anyone can learn game, but only guys like me are gonna fuck the sapiophiles. And consider that if you don’t know what a sapiophile is, what else might you not know? There is a class of woman out there (of all SMVs, dog to dime) who find intelligence a real turn on. These same women also like men who are alpha, so they don’t end up with nerds. They are usually fairly smart girls to begin with, which makes them respect intelligence cuz they have a whiff of it… Read more »

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@rugby
I have nothing against the video posts, just that I dont have time to watch most of them. Very similar toe YaReally of old; he used to post so many long videos and write comments so long that I started scrolling past his stuff by reflex. I am sure there are guys who read him and watched every video and enjoyed it. I am sure there are guys who watch most of your videos too…But you must admit one would have to live in here to finish all that. I think you even admitted to not having watched them yourself.

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“The average guy was America’s hero. A man who understood his limitations, and optimized within them.” “Every person is going to have a circle of competence. And it’s going to be very hard to advance that circle. If I had to make my living as a musician…. I can’t even think of a level low enough to describe where I would be sorted out to if music were the measuring standard of the civilization. So you have to figure out what your own aptitudes are. If you play games where other people have the aptitudes and you don’t, you’re going… Read more »

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“There is a class of woman out there (of all SMVs, dog to dime) who find intelligence a real turn on.”

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cheupez
Yeah walawala pointed that out with “overposting” palo also wrote about typing it out without the buffer of the image was just as effective in response… Sometimes i lose track of simplicity

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“Here’s me carrying on with my life not giving a shit how much these simple truths bother some people”

Scrib. I hope you are hearing what Fleezer, Blax and Munger (by way of j) are saying. You probably should care. Don’t matter how smart you are – you are only one guy. And us humans are intensely social animals. Ergo – use what you got – your smarts (of whatever any person may have with respect to their own personal talents) accordingly.

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If smart= winning championship chess tournament.
…you don’t really see a whole lot of top shelf pussy groupies for chess players.

But if smart= able to figure shit out/ get shit handled.
….most women like smart men.

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Just to add, while I’m being Captain Master-of-the-obvious….
Most people don’t like sore losers or sore winners either.

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“but ya can’t run “smartest guy in the room” game if you ain’t the smartest guy in the room.”

smartest guy in the room game paradox:

the smartest guy in the room is the only one who can run smartest guy in the room game, but the smartest guy in the room knows that running smartest guy in the room game is a statistically inferior approach to getting his dick wet

“could jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?”

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@scrib
You’re not wrong… a man MUST know his limitations, at his own peril.

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If smart= winning championship chess tournament.
…you don’t really see a whole lot of top shelf pussy groupies for chess players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPlXC3M8hbg

Chess game… Alpha posture/demeanor … breaking egos

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-they-re-all-weak-all-women-they-re-stupid-compared-to-men-they-shouldn-t-play-chess-you-know-bobby-fischer-228943.jpg

Women…

http://icelandictimes-wlqze8yl5ffkr0pco9.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/BOBBY-FISCHER-1972-%C3%A1n-texta.jpg

women…

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Pretty sure Bobbye Fischer (an outlier exception among outlier exceptions) could figure shit out and get shit done.

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Just words on a screen.

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And even being an outlier…you don’t really see any “top shelf pussy” in that photo. and this quote:

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-sometimes-girls-write-me-one-girl-in-yugoslavia-sent-me-a-whole-slew-of-love-letters-i-don-t-know-bobby-fischer-228942.jpg

gonna guess it was from some HB5

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J

you don’t really see any “top shelf pussy” in that photo

You don’t see much in infield clips either…

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@ Chump Serious question: How will a man know his limitations if he just blanketly accepts what others state? The point I was trying to make earlier isn’t that every single man can zoom straight to the top of any endeavor just by force of will alone, but that a man must posses and develop a force of will without listening to other people’s dictates about what limitations he may have. Make sense? I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard ” you can’t do that..” for any number of reasons over the course of my lifetime.… Read more »

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Oh yeah, from the ” old guy ” angle –

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-t2HnXfy4&w=1280&h=720%5D

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@Sentient

Max picking up a couple of drunk HB4s

18:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKAYCKszieo&t=252s

and 39:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4NSgtKT54&t=

(Both of these infields are in The Natural if you want to see the entire interaction/breakdown)

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Max doesn’t talk shit about your book. So I hope this is cool bro smile

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I can’t see any chicks faces in those videos…..

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ya their face was so ugly that that they had to blur out their face to trick guys into thinking they were picking up model-tier girls. I underestimated your IQ man

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J J i knew you were off pulling clips. lol Four or five more and this will be the repository for all of the hotter girl clips eva made. Even so you’d agree that while very attractive, not really “top shelf”. To draw a line under Anon’s autism… a point which I thought you’d understand J… AWALT is AWALT yes or no? Attraction switches are attraction switches… chess or checkers. Ya think Fischer had any switches being flipped? DPA guys attract women because Alpha… So yeah uglier girls are attracted as well as hot girls. file that under Burden. Loading...

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You can be too smart for your own good

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@sentient

the whole point is if you go by your dpa ( dual penetration adaptivity thing)

……..You have DPA alphas and betas.

so the dpa shit means nothing

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HB9

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Autistic anon neither stated nor implied that chess players can’t get laid.

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Let those who have ears hear Mersonia… but I welcome your definition of Alpha. Unless you think Alpha means nothing too.

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Getting laid and getting hunted down for access to your dick by THOTs is two different things, no?

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It is remarkable to consider that the vast majority of men out there – including a probable majority of married men who agreed (knowingly or unknowingly) to pay the highest price with their devoted monogamy, time, attention, resources and by agreeing to assume the highest levels of emotional, financial and legal risks – are among those men who are the least likely to EVER experience genuine sexual desire and validational sex WITH OR FROM THEIR OWN wives! That most of these men may live an entire lifetime and then die without ever knowing or experiencing the carnal, animalistic, genuine sexual… Read more »

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Indeed.

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@ constrainedlocus

Men shouldn’t get married, particularly if they can’t figure out a way to understand teh wimminz, and operate in everyone else’s frames.

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