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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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Passing through a town where a girl (29? 30?) I’ve banged 2x lives. I don’t contact her until I’m available to see her. The last time was a few months ago. Staying at friends’ place and would go to her, otherwise don’t bother. Me: Hey [nickname], you should invite me over with a bottle of wine to see me again before I leave town Her: Hello Her: Should I? Her: The problem is I won’t be back before evening Me: Mom says you shouldn’t Me: What time? Me: I should leave before midnight Me: Otherwise I may lose my shoe… Read more »

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@scars
I certainly think there’s been instances already this year where I blew it by not showing enough intent (at least verbally) and lost seemingly very interested girls.

You say not enough intent, I say not moving the interaction forward.

Let’s suppose you’ve shown intent. What next? Just do this.

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Inspiration via Style aka Neil Strass (before he went gay) H ey man.” That’s how it always begins. And then he will say, in return, “Hey, man.” And then one of us will say, “I’m tired.” And the other will say, “I don’t feel like going out today.” “Neither do I.” That’s how it always begins—with feet, minds, hearts dragging. That’s never how it ends. “We’ll just go get some food.” “Okay, just something quick. I’m really tired.” “We’ve covered that already.” “And I look like shit.” “I noticed.” “Shut up.” Playful punch to the arm. Pull in to the… Read more »

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OK, you’re probably thinking, Of course I’d love to build attraction and comfort with a gorgeous woman, but every time I approach one I get shot down before I’ve finished my second or third sentence. Here’s the deal— and it’s one of the most amazing secrets of the Mystery Method because it is so counterintuitive, running contrary to everything you’ve believed about attracting beautiful women your entire life, in order for you to be permitted the audience of a beautiful woman to attempt to attract her, you must first disqualify yourself from being considered a potential suitor by her. If… Read more »

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“If you’re thinking, Yeah, that worked for you, but it will never work for me; I’m a geek, don’t worry. I was a geek, too. The truth is, generally speaking, geeks are intelligent individuals who simply haven’t yet applied that intelligence to social scenarios; hence, they appear deficient in that area. Making matters worse, the society around us, at first glance, appears very chaotic. But when you look at all other human beings as beautiful, elegant biological machines embedded with sophisticated behavioral systems designed to align with others to maximize their chances for survival and replication, the task of understanding… Read more »

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“CREATURES OF SENTIMENT Logic and reason can be used to determine a course of action, but often men and women alike are motivated more persuasively by their emotions. Often we simply use our intellects to rationalize those emotional actions after the fact. To women, emotions are much more profound and encompassing than they are even to men. Because a woman’s attraction circuitry is calibrated less to a man’s physical characteristics than to his social, and hence survival, value, her emotions are at the center of her thoughts and actions. In fact, when a woman explains something, she will often use… Read more »

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“CAT THEORY Why do you suppose we only feel compelled to chase the ones who run away? —”V1COMTE DE VALMONT, Les Liaisons Dangereuses Cats don’t take orders, but they can be tempted to chase. If you tie a feather to the end of a string and use it properly, you can get a cat to perform acrobatics. But isn’t it interesting that if you put the feather down in front of the cat, it will turn up its nose? Cats are always curious, especially about shiny new things such as a ball on a rubber cord, catnip, treats, the feather… Read more »

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“PROCESS OVER OUTCOME A Venusian artist goes into the field night after night primarily to improve his calibration and to internalize his skill set. You’re not trying to “get this one girl” or even “get laid tonight,” Rather, you practice with the long-term goal of having a powerful social skill set in the future, one you may confidently turn on in times of need, When you don’t need it, you don’t use it. When you do, you’re ready. You cannot allow the outcome of any given approach to carry much significance, at least until you reach the point—usually ten to… Read more »

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“THE FOUR M3 SEQUENCING MISTAKES

1. Seduction first— to start at the end.
2. Comfort first—to start in the middle.
3. Attraction but no comfort—to start at the beginning but skip
the middle and go straight to the end.
4. Attraction and comfort only—to start at the beginning but get
stuck in the middle. “
The Mystery Method, Page 49

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Thanks, Sentient, good stuff to know.

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Can it be that it was all so simple then?

I see the flaws in the method now, and flaws in the pickup gods of the era, but doesn’t everything have flaws?

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It’s all balance right Archie? Like music… Infinite variation within an unyielding structure, harmony, melody, scale and yet subject to discordant notes.

The interplay of The Why and The How. Some playing harps, some kazoos… Each can make the right note at the right time…

Mystery was more concerned with making the right notes the most times, calling the tune.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciFTP_KRy4

Mystery enters… Stage right.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xYHJRhRym1U

On the page… It looked… Simple.

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@Archie
I see the flaws in the method now

Do you have a blog post on it? Interested to read your take on it.

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Was Yareally from the UK? Someone recently told me they thought that yareally was ‘Cieran’ – A brit who used to write for RSD? I don’t think it’s the case, personally. Cieran apparently was first to popularise the ‘shock and awe’ and ‘the apocolypse opener’ stuff. Apparently he had staggering success with his direct/sexual style of cold approach game. When yareally posted examples of his own game, it did sometimes come across as very direct/sexual, although I still don’t think they are the same person. Anyway, I’m probably out with my damn male model friend tonight! Usually an intereting night… Read more »

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Re: flaws with MM “A problem with the Mystery Method, a PUA may wait until after the arousal window is closed, because their focus is “building attraction” first which may take a long time or never happen. If you are one of those guys who believe attraction has to be built first, then by default you’re not convinced women are attracted to confident men who arouse them with physical escalation. Most guys play safe by waiting for ‘ioi’s before escalating or even approaching, meanwhile the arousal window closes with every passing minute. You automatically create positive ‘ioi’s or negative reactions… Read more »

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Teevster’s Journey: https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/14675-the-key-masf-archives-to-read/page2 “If you ever though we all were born with pu skills you are wrong. Its a process – trying different things until you eventually discover what works and what doesn’t. Occasionally some people such as 60 invent their own game inspired by some other players (it is no secret that gunwitch was an inspriation to 60). All the successful seducers out there have tried out different things – they have been curious and they experimented a lot. That is why i dont really understand the new mentality in pick up and seduction where new guys are so… Read more »

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Motivation:

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We’re taught in the pick-up community first you generate attraction, second build comfort, last seduce, however, this is only good for committed long term relationships.

This guys is a joke…he’s just trying to demean MM which is still tried and true. MM is primarily for pickups, not for LRTs.

J, why are you posting this trash?

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@IRL

I haven’t written something like that but I should.

As for this pickup daily guy? His critiques seem very rooted in a specific environment.

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Disclaimer: I’m a while guy in a homogeneous realm. No racial undertones are at play here. Masculine recognizes masculine. He was skeptical. Like all wise dudes are. But guess what when SJF steps up to the plate for 14 innings? He may win or lose but at least he was A Man In The Arena. Hell Yeah. The one where I talked to a 50 year old black guy instead of spend time after I opened a two set of young girls. I gotta stop having so many peak experiences. Shit, I may become a dopamine addict. Wait, maybe I… Read more »

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“His critiques seem very rooted in a specific environment.” Yeah 2nd half of the night in nightclubs. Which is where all my lays come from (I don’t daygame or online game). Mystery Method isn’t what I’m running in this specific environment http://www.pualingo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/M3-Model1.jpg See according to this chart in a nightclub, I’m running S1 simultaneously with A1 to get A2 which moves me to C2 because when I’m talking to the girl in a nightclub, it’s not getting to know her shit. It’s figuring out logistics and self amusing to spike her emotions. I will ask rapport seeking questions, but its… Read more »

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Too much comfort is counter productive to setting a solid fuckbuddy frame. You also appear more mysterious to her if you don’t reveal too much about yourself in the initial interaction. which makes her curious about who this seemingly complex bad boy she slept with in less than an hour is. Sure, too much comfort kills the attraction, but if you switch up comfort with attraction, you spike her emotions even higher and are even more mysterious. She’s wondering, “Is he a player or a lover?” But you have to be aware that this is the game plan. It’s also… Read more »

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Nothing to to write in terms of my FR unfortunately, because I ended up going too a hotel room fairly early in the night after bumping into the same Czech girl who I banged in one of my prior FR’s (The girl I stole from my male model friend) Funny actually, because I was out with him last night, so it was a bit weird bumping into her. They started talking and I was thinking ”Ah-ha! She’s gonna spend all night trying to finish what she started last time before he bailed on her and try to bang him!” but… Read more »

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bitchy vibe Bitch shields are shit tests begging to be passed. The hottest girls have bitch shields. Also those girls who THINK they are the hottest. Open with a neg. I was negging my sister today about her toenail polish and she was lol’ing. Complimenting her on her beach vacation while asking her if she went there to get her nails done. A lol followed. She said she had them done back home by a professional. I said, “Oh, my.” She lol’ed. Don’t be afraid to neg female relatives for practice. They are choice practice targets. Loading...

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“Is he a player or a lover?”

what’s the difference

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Player = thrill her enough to bang.

Lover = thrill her. Period.

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“The thing is I noticed in the community all you need to establish yourself as a legit authority and a good seducer is a high lay count. That’s the golden question. And I am not even talking about the obvious KJs who are trying to establish themselves as a guru. No this is not about that, although that’s another big problem. So you will have these successful guys running around dishing out shit advice – when in fact we are not even playing by the same rules. […] when you say ‘most of this stuff wouldn’t get anyone laid today’… Read more »

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J You sell Mystery short though. All successful seductions go through the stages… The only “practical” change to it is the speed. And even that is subject to scrutiny, as Mystery was about having the skills to a) choose not be chosen. That girl, there, now. and b) consistency. You know that a longer good interaction is better than a short good one, so the seven hours thing should be taken in context. Also note he accommodates fast escalation and SNLs if you’ve ticked the boxes. It’s just that over the long haul on average in keeping with a) and… Read more »

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7 hour rule

4:20 – 5:10

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@sentient “Not golden hour cavemanning, not IOI hunting, not bailing on mixed sets, not flashing an eightball” what’s cavemanning? I steal girls from chodes on the dancefloor when I’m in state (first thing I do when I enter a bar is short set method – opening guys and girls). And I don’t look for IOIs cause I don’t get many approach invites, cause I have any of the things that lower resistance chad mentions in the nextasf post, except “Developed Unconscious attractive behaviors” (only way for her to figure that out is by interacting with me) (unless you consider being… Read more »

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J most of these things… These other guys. Same as me flipping on a light switch and thinking I’m Edison. Everyone is a giant standing on another’s shoulders. The names change but the concepts remain etc. Accelerated when for profit model depends on it. Etc.

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It’s nice to see non RSD videos where the guys are competent.

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I could have banged her no problem if I wasn’t married” it’s like no bro lol, there is still a lot of shit that can go wrong after getting them out of the club. Everybody who goes out knows this. Of course things can go wrong. (I could write a book about my lay fails, lol.) Most guys can’t even get A2 from girls I wouldn’t bang. I know what “lit up” is. HB8’s are generally more subtle when they’re lit up. They will be chatty and upqualify you and moon when they’re with you. Ok, field report. I was… Read more »

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My main takeaways from MM: Compliance testing. A great diagnostic tool to see where you are in the interaction. Also it happens to make the girl invest more if she complies (keep it such that you both can win though). The whole IOD-DHV-IOI loop is gold. Balance the interaction, e.g. the graph below: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tz7VHbVPc0o/U_Tb3VGMXGI/AAAAAAAAAXM/3vmuCGrWpkQ/s1600/C1.bmp Attraction (and sexualization for that matter, as j pointed out) pushes in one direction, comfort is there to keep the balance and pull in the opposite direction… if required. Depends on the environment, context, girl’s mindset and needs. Leave room for vacuum (although I think Juggler… Read more »

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Of course things can go wrong.

That’s not the whole story. Spiking in innocent situs with plausible deniability is one thing for girls, and having them begging for your cock is another.

Try to “feel their cunts” and you’ll see how many of them are really down. Also how your wiring works and how you (re)act in real time. Obstacles and logistic aside (but of course a big topic).

Don’t mind if you’re in for light flirting (only) and want to post about it. Just be mindful when extrapolating.

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IRL J Dat patent yo! lol Chess not checkers… Sequencing Mistake #1 Fool’s Mate In the game of chess, it is possible to win in only four moves. This gambit is called fool’s mate. Winning with speed via fool’s mate does not, however, make you a chess champion. If anything, it only demonstrates your opponent’s inexperience. An experienced chess player will not even attempt a fast fool’s mate because if his opponent doesn’t take the bait, he himself is left vulnerable. Similarly, while it is possible to seduce with speed, it is much less probable on a woman who is… Read more »

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Chris Wade Basically both of our game is as follows: Trolling -> calibrating -> comfort -> positive/negative emotions-> pulling. http://socialprimedating.com/index.php/2017/06/11/fucking-former-super-model/ See the similarities? Trolling, i.e. neg? Calibrating – hoops, compliance testing etc. Comfort – there it is – spiking emotions, Pulling… etc etc. Always calibrate when trolling, that´s the art, to know when she needs more troll and when she needs less and more of comfort. I never kiss in the club, it´s boring and not fun anymore, read Chris article on kissing for a more detailed explanation why. similar… -Hey, are you Chinese.” ”Chinese? That was a bad pick… Read more »

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@sentient “In contrast, both chess champions and Venusian artists prefer to play a solid game.” once again see video I linked April 1, 2018 at 5:36 pm from 5:10 – 6:05. That’s Jon Sinn talking in the video by the way, Mystery’s former protégé. “Neil Strauss’s book “The Game” indicates that Tyler and Papa stayed in their rooms making websites, and rarely got dates. Mystery himself got 12 per year. https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-22635.htm. Krauser and Paul Janka got around 20, using systems for streamlined approaches and logistics.” https://pancakemouse.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/jmulv-has-the-best-advice-in-game-right-now/#comment-107 12 per year? lol. I’m almost there and it’s just April. And for some… Read more »

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J Putting aside obvious conflicts of former students now competing financially… Recall Tyler and Todd came from Project Hollywood… Jeffy at the tail end I believe? yareally himself lists MM as his #1 go to… https://therationalmale.com/2016/02/10/the-red-pill-monthly/#comment-140381 But the oldschool Mystery Method is still 100% as solid as it was back in the day. YaReally https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/wayne-elise-pacing-and-conversational-context/#comment-351264 Other methods get results in lots of environments and circumstances but when you’re talking high-end girls in high-end enviros who are surrounded by high-end guys and social circles, MMs group theory, social proof, merging sets forward, etc is prime. YaReally https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/05/20/an-alpha-daddys-letter-to-his-little-girl-about-her-future-husband/#comment-441329 so I expect to… Read more »

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” 12 per year? lol. I’m almost there and it’s just April. And for some reason, every year my lay count jumps during the summer, so I expect to 3x mystery’s average with my fool’s mate method this year lol” Lol. A young man going out with intent and game had better be at least banging 4 different chicks a month. Those aren’t unrealistic numbers. That’s get ya close to 50 a year, not counting the odd stragglers hither and yon. And if a young man truly understands game and has internalized it, he will band more than 4 chicks… Read more »

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… ok, I’m going back to field report lurk mode.

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Lol, yeah whatever. There are absolutely ZERO high end girls. That’s pua nonsense pedestalizing right there. High end environments…high end guys….

The terms may vary… the reality remains though. There are very different clientele and circumstances in different environments. Different environments require different tactics.

Top fuel dragster will not get you to Dakar from Paris.

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lol I only game on weekends. I don’t go out 300+ nights a year and still bang drunk 6s

https://twitter.com/GoldmundUnleash/status/980285399535882241

in my immediate enviornment (gym, grocery stores, restuarants, bars etc.) there aren’t 8s walking around during the day. I don’t really get excited about girls below 8. when I get rich, I’ll move to a better location or relocate to take advantage of geoarbitrage. Lots to think about.

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…and I get those ‘high end girls’ attention via preselection. So yeah I still use some mystery method concepts in the field. but like some of his shit, like the 3 second rule is bullshit. Gunwitch on the 3 second rule: “As long as you don’t stare and make a woman uncomfortable and don’t freeze up and get inside your own head and refuse to approach, there’s no validity to this. This was purely mystery’s own experience saying “if I don’t approach within 3 seconds, I get nervous then the girls think i’m creepy. And now we have a stupid… Read more »

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Spiking in innocent situs with plausible deniability is one thing for girls, and having them begging for your cock is another. Lesseee…back when I had just found the manosphere I asked a couple of girls to go to my truck…the HB8 25 y.o. went, but the married 60 y.o. didn’t…the 25 y.o. was trying to talk me into sex…i.e., she was begging for my cock…the 60 y.o. was chasing me for a couple of years and we went down into the basement of a dance studio to practice dancing…she was very frivolous and giggly and obviously had no intention of… Read more »

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Lol, yeah whatever. There are absolutely ZERO high end girls.

Gamer Maxim: “Pussy is just pussy.”

To be sure, HB8+s are more subtle about IOIs and shit testing than other girls.

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3 second rule is bullshit.

What was the purpose of that rule? Oh, yeah, it was a mechanism to get past approach anxiety. Still useful for some guys. Me, I don’t need it because I never ever ever have approach anxiety.

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IRL, I don’t typically sexualize a lot, so generally girls at my bar aren’t gonna be open to getting their pussies felt up at the bar. There’s some assgrabbing going on, but I haven’t seen much crotchgrabbing at the bar. People go out to vehicles/dwellings to have sex. Makeout in public is pretty common and you can see a couple or two doing it.

If I have a mind to do it, I may ask some girls out to my vehicle and I’ll test them there.

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Yeah I agree. Same reason we have these “You Need to Eat Small Meals Every 2-3 Hours” “You Need to Eat Immediately After a Workout” myths surrounding nutrition. They aren’t “you have to do this or else” rules, but they do help “ritualize your eating so you manage your hunger and food cravings”

https://vitals.lifehacker.com/it-doesnt-matter-when-you-eat-1787711505

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J “So yeah I still use some mystery method concepts in the field. ” Of course. That’s the point I’ve been relaying. I thought you were open to greater / deeper understanding. “Responding to Sentient from a few articles back, but other guys’ll probably find this useful so I’m throwing it here: Sentient “Yup. This exactly… stumbled back to Mystery over the last couple of months precisely because of this and found a bunch of gaps that were filled in through greater understanding.” Ya, I think a lot of the people who are like “that PUA stuff is just a… Read more »

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“I expect to 3x mystery’s average with my fool’s mate method this year lol” i’ve been thinking about incorporating the fool’s mate stuff into my game as a kind of reverse sting to find the easy repeat meat 1. run aggressive escalation snl game, ticking all the af no strings boxes, zero beta signals 2. close her even though she’s been drinking, to make her think I’m thirsty and controllable like all the others 3. video it (this is part of the setup. I tell her I only smash undergrad on pov video and it must end with her with… Read more »

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@IRL

So, what makes something light flirting? Is grabbing the inside of the ass cheek “light flirting”? How about when a girl puts a man’s hands on her boobs? How about when a girl wraps her legs around a man and kisses him? Are these all light flirting? I really need to know.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=158&v=8qZHw60dDqQ

some guy posted this at CH… watch at 2:09. lolz

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I’ve seen that vid before. That girl is hot AF in my eyes! I’d cut my little fingers off for her! Also, that place (Austin, I think) looks fun!

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The fun part is watching her flip from throwing hands to kissing in 1.2 seconds. Yes that is Dirty 6th in Austin.

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I like this guy.

…. no homo.

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Lmao. No man, don’t cut any appendages over any chick ever. That chick is okay, but the illusion is provided by her alcohol content and her ” friskiness “.

If a girl kisses you and says ” I’d fuck the shit out of you “, then you MUST put her to the test. Bang her to sleep and then jet.

Just be sure to bag up.

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damn @Sun Wukong’s game must be really shit if he can’t get laid here lmao

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Are we saying MM’s game doesn’t work? That’s not what I’m saying. I think the overall model – First Attract – Then comfort – Finally seduce is just basically how chicks get fucked, period, end of story. I think of it as the Mystery “Model” more than Mystery Method. *How* he attracts, *how* he builds comfort, *how* he seduces – that’s what a player’s style is. But comparing guru to guru, there are very few “gurus” that don’t operate along this time line. The proverbial red pill alpha, usually attracts through the gym and his inter-personal behavior. He acts like… Read more »

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” And in the atmosphere of today, sex is even easier to get, but the young guys having less of it.”

http://standrewscobourg.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/truth.jpg

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Archie, you just filled in another missing puzzle piece in my head.

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“Alas… You stopped short there WIA. What does Alas…. represent. Do you find any holes in your game? Do you find that you are on point? I look to you as someone that is practicing his creed. (a set of beliefs or aims that guide someone’s actions.) Goes with purpose and mission. Are things fine with your purpose and mission. I suspect they are. Sex and getting laid is secondary to your business life. How would you describe your goals, outlook and plans? Are you happy, shiny and a person that is idealistic and happy? Life is energy giving? That… Read more »

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The PUA community can’t possible be non-valuable… was what I attempted to say…. I misspoke when I said they can possibly be invaluable. My bad. In one of the podcasts of The Red Man Group, the statement was made (Rian Stone) that if sex in an intersexual relationship was mastered, then WTH? your life only considers it a a small fraction of your life’s problems. If not mastered? Guess what? It is a big fucking drag on your life. Like a 90% anchor on you moving forward and being free from constraint to pursue those all other things in your… Read more »

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”And in the atmosphere of today, sex is even easier to get [for girls and elite players], but the young guys [without game] having less of it.” fify “I also remember a few years back, some guys were claiming that this sexual liberation will make pickup and seduction much easier – and yes it has, to some extent. Sure, it substantially reduced the amount of frustrating last minute resistance and appeased women’s anti-slut defense. Sure, girls are more willing to jump quickly into bed with a guy they find attractive, with few to no questions asked. However, they do have… Read more »

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Guy Fieri qualifies as a Starfuckee. Think about thay.

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The video at 11:34AM

Girl1:Are you turned on or turned off by the hickey?”
Girl2″Turned ON!! Honestly…”

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From the Great Beyond, Mystery smiles…

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” Girls ” are easier to bang. Thing is, guys don’t generally have what it takes to bang them. Idk. Maybe again, my perspective is too tightly yoked to where I live and what I hear and see. What I see IRL is a handful of guys banging an inordinate amount of chicks, tinder and whatever aside. Dudes that actually want to have sex, and posses game are amassing giant n counts. But a majority of dudes aren’t really that interested, or sit on the sidelines with dick in hand waiting for an easy in. Chicks are more available for… Read more »

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“They will willingly allow themselves to enter more situations where sex can happen. However, this makes them turn more selective.”

I’m curious.

If a woman has 20 potential mates and chooses 2 that’d she’d might fuck, that’s 10%

If a woman has 100 potential mates you submit she’ll choose less than 20 that she’d might fuck?

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Blax ehintellect J

That whole comment is just ahistorical and wrong on its face. Beware the motivations.

Sure, girls are more willing to jump quickly into bed with a guy they find attractive, with few to no questions asked. However, they do have to find the guy attractive.

These For Profit sites always have embedded that if you pay them they will make you one of those guys…

https://www.girlschase.com/mastery?utm_source=girlschase&utm_medium=unknown&utm_campaign=girlschase&clickd=wG9DFPQCUG693NVCH03N1RS4

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Eh J can correct me if I’m wrong, but I’d bet that most chicks aren’t actually fuxking guys off tinder. Not in any great numbers. Shit like tinder is a cock blocking ego booster for chicks. It’s a numbers thing driven by thirsty motherfuckers. More tinder guys doesn’t equal more sex. Chicks in their late teens and early twenties that I know, that go out regularly, aren’t banging tinder dudes. They’re banging the guys in the venue ( or even in the parking lot ) that are in front of them with game. Social media is just a time killing,… Read more »

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@EhIntellect

well yeah she’d only want to fuck the best out of those 100 potential mates. Women are hypergamous, no?

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yes blax is correct

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Yeah. I’m sure that there are instructors out there that are more than willing to instruct young lads for a nominal fee, in how to be more attractive to chicks. Without the help of these instructors, a man will be stranded in a tinder driven pussy desert.

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… Or a guy could take advantage of the wealth of free online content and go out. Consistently. And develop.

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Thx, my klaxon went off reading that.

A girl will bang a guy a night, generally.

So yeah she can be more selective by percentages in a larger sample.

Hm. I didn’t even think about tinder. There’s so much pussy out there already and tinder seems more work than going out, making it happen, less steps IRL. Funny. I’m fricking clueless at times.

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I guess “Millie” has had her share of Donkey Sauce…

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well yeah she’d only want to fuck the best out of those 100 potential mates. Women are hypergamous, no?

But she will fuck a lot of those 80% too… every pot has a lid. Just look around.

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And hypergamy is a response to stimulus, not a constant. Patellar not breathing reflex.

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“tinder seems more work than going out, making it happen, less steps ” I’ve seen a couple of videos put out on how to “hack” tinder for easy pussy (5s,6s,7s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw1dpWDZksU&t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hnT-CEuGL0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COIjJxPCb9k the 8s and 9s use it for validation (or to increase their instagram follower count) and to laugh at chumps. You should ask girls if they use tinder, a lot of them will give you a disgusted “uh no. why do I need tinder?” From what I understand, once a upon a time they used to use it for sex with hot guys on tinder. when it… Read more »

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I’m only going off what the mainstream reports about millennials and their sexual activity. It’s generally down.

The change in this generation is that their sense of the world is interpreted through the net in a way that generation X was not. What happens online is very real to them in a way that is not as real to people born before say 89.

Along with a crappy economy, the social environment is different. Throw in the cultural and political changes….

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“… Or a guy could take advantage of the wealth of free online content and go out. Consistently. And develop.”

True. but the content in the paid stuff is far superior to the free content online.

“Torrent that shit” – Ya

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True. but the content in the paid stuff is far superior to the free content online.

Lol

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“Along with a crappy economy, the social environment is different. ”

How does the economy affect getting desire laid?

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“tinder seems more work than going out”

The preferred strategy was using a swipe app, have that run automated through a few thousand profiles swiping all right, then you just look through the funnel of matches and blast them. You just need to be in a larger population area or passing through.

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Along with a crappy economy

Where do you get this. As I read about it, the economy is doing quite well, currently.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manufacturing-industry-has-strongest-jobs-increase-in-three-years-1522845356

https://www.thebalance.com/how-is-the-economy-doing-3306046

Maybe women are experiencing ongoing demoralized expectations based on the lagging economy from the previous administration.

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Found this over at CH…

the defining thing of psychopathy is that emotions don’t affect their actions.

Lol, this is what I aim for.

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Depends on how one defines ” economy “. The real economy is indeed shit. The number economy, based a lot of Wall Street numbers, is humming right along at a very high rate. The ” Real Economy ” includes Standard Of Living and Cost Of Living vs Real Wages. The Real Economy is not coupled to Wall Street/Corporate Earnings. The Real Economy hasn’t been impacted by any administration since Ronald Wilson Reagan. I will say that there is an abundance of $12-$15/hr jobs though. Better than minimum wage, not enough to really live on depending on how many hours you… Read more »

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Good thing too, that prices haven’t risen since 1973……

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…the defining thing of psychopathy is that emotions don’t affect their actions. Not always necessary or sufficient. The roll that Rollo Tomassi has been on lately along with his social media buddies, The 21 convention and his Red Man Group shows that unadulterated Masculinity can serve the same purpose of not letting emotions affect ones actions. And Rollo doesn’t appear psychopathic, now. Does he? (Hell, even Fleezer doesn’t seem so psychopathic anymore under the influence of The Red Pill…) <blockquote.“Handling an emotional crisis leads to greater wisdom and results in lifetime benefits. Fear of life is really the fear of… Read more »

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I will say that there is an abundance of $12-$15/hr jobs though.

Must be all that manufacturing on the east coast. Railroads are hiring like there’s no tomorrow. Gunmakers, too. I didn’t know that they paid such low wages.

Wages are rising and the fear is that that will fuel inflation.

Yeah, the Midwest and its manufacturing are pulling this economy along. Cincinnati, Chicago, etc.

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Wow, your graph was impressive, Blax. I didn’t know that Obama raised workers’ wages so much. He really cares for the blue collar guy!

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From Blax’s reference: Pedro writes: A key reason for workers’ waning bargaining power is the declining presence of unions in the workplace. Yeah, domestic workers having to compete with foreigners who will work the same jobs for half the pay had nothing to do with wage depression. I’m sure if the unions were around they would have been able to keep wages high. Wonder why ol’ Pedro didn’t mention this little fact of wages being depressed by competition from foreigners? Hmmm….is he stupid or is he trying to distract from the real problem? Whether it’s foreigners coming to the U.S.… Read more »

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@Eh So here are the stats that keep getting reported. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-millennials-less-sex-20160802-snap-story.html The basics of the blue pill game is that guys need to provide resources in order to get girls. Talk about so-called job gains, but not for recent male college graduates. Women are out earning them. http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html And a guy not only needs to earn money, he needs to earn more than the girl he’s dating. A lot of these guys don’t talk to girls because they can’t really do anything for them. I’m not saying it’s logical, but the game has never been logical. Throw in everything else… Read more »

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“………wage competition depressed wages.”

And men should always treat women like princesses.

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Yup. Americans asked for global wage competition.

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” Noah Patterson, 18, has never had sex. “I’d rather be watching YouTube videos and making money.” Sex, he said, is “not going to be something people ask you for on your résumé.””

Sadly, I hear similar stuff from some young men.

Again, as a whole, I think we’re headed towards being pretty much done as far as looking to ” da kids ” to carry on.

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I got one last lie to strangle, then I’m out. https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/american-companies-sent-jobs-overseas.html/?a=viewall American workers aren’t ” losing ” jobs to foreigners coming here to ” work for less ” in any measurable numbers that matter. Lol, it’s ” always the little guy’s fault ” shit. Bottom Line: No adult should work a 40 hour week and be paid shit wages that one cannot support one’s self with. That’s how ( the much hated ) unions came to be in the first place. Everyone benefited from what the unions achieved, and now everyone will get the shitty end of the stick from… Read more »

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P.S.

ProTip: It’s not ” foreigners ” that are doing this to you either. Guess who it is? ( Hint: They were all born right here )

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