For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.
So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.
There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.
Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.
So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.
@Sentient Thinking about your feisty redhead and other girls… It seems to me that for the most part you run MM. Then at some point you commit to amping up the ‘sexual animal’ to get the interaction across the finish line. It accomplishes at least three things: it cuts the crap; it puts you in th AF category; and it arouses her. All good. But keep in mind it doesn’t lower the barrier to entry and it forces her to make a decision (resolve inner conflict) then and there. Did you feel that the redhead was chasing (e.g. cut the… Read more »
IRL Yeah all good observations. Part of this is i only do this on travel so i feel the short windows. Bird in hand etc. And part is I just get lazy. In looking back. When she was up against the wall with jer legs spread and I said im going to fuck you here and she went totally limp and actually whimpered a bit. If i acted then a split second sooner perhaps. After she caught herself yeah ASD/LMR spiked through the roof. He who hesitates is lost. Except when he lays back and continues to build things up.… Read more »
On this
“Did you feel that the redhead was chasing (e.g. cut the final 10% space before the kiss)? If yes, at what point did that stop?”
It was more during the make outs where you could feel the switch flip from an enjoyable relaxed kiss to urgent tonguing. I love that switch. But best to do so when you are in the sex location per Mystery. For a reason. It’s not tight game…
@Sentient
One clarification on your FR. So you pulled the one who was getting thenclit rub by the other dude?
There was no follow up to this, but I’m curious what your were going to point out.
IRL
Ahhh. Buying temp is transferable and for guys not to sweat what is going on within the venue. Whatever chicks are doing with guys, dancing, grinding, making out etc. DOES NOT MATTER.
Don’t let it throw you off and don’t let it take you out of the game. Only whoever walks out with her matters… And even that is subject to interference. Yareally had a story of waiting for a cab and a guy picked the girl up in his arms and literally carreid her off… And she waved goodbye to him… Lol.
@Palma
Pinkie that I snogged publicly in the pub is back on the matrix as well
Nice! Was it the one you made out with in front of the bar? Or the one from the “buy me a drink”-guy meetup situ?
Did you spot the girl game? She made you wait (to see if you flip out) and then pinged on Friday night. Text game 101 lol
@Sentient
Thanks I’ll check it out.
“DeNiro, back before he became mentally ill, puts on a a tour de force of Small Game – alpha posture, body language, laser, intensity and the firm look.”
Side note: A lot of my ‘small game’ was actually developed by studying Delon’s body language in La Piscine (1969):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTCV2tF7FgI
J
I’ll check that out. Late 60s and 70s were so much more sensuous. Back when sex and intimacy mirrored the real thing and not porn gymnastics.
The biggest sex organ is her brain. Fuck her mind.
Culum Back to did she call you… “It’s all in the moment then it’s gone. Some think it never happened.” i.e. liminal space. Create that space for things to unfold and then pooof!!! Gone. Only traces through memories which are now disrupted by this moments chemical reactions… Feelings. Emotion. In anthropology, liminality (from the Latin word līmen, meaning “a threshold”[1]) is the quality of ambiguity or disorientation that occurs in the middle stage of rites, when participants no longer hold their preritual status but have not yet begun the transition to the status they will hold when the rite is… Read more »
@IAS From Brian Tracy’s Maximum Achievement: ___________________ The famous oil billionaire H. L. Hunt, who went bankrupt raising cotton in Arkansas and then went on to build a fortune of several billion dollars and become one of the world’s richest men, was once asked his formula for success. He said that in America, you only needed two things to be successful: “First,” he said, “decide exactly what it is you want. Most people never do that. Second, determine the price you’re going to have to pay to get it, and then resolve to pay that price.” The great weakness of… Read more »
@Palma
An example of how to text girls and avoid flakes from Ripp (similar to ijjji’s method B = flirt, tease, no sexting):
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/anti-flake-tactic/#comment-296170
@Sentient – thanks for that. I always defined liminal space as “threshold space” or “inbetween space” but that definition adds a lot – I hadn’t thought of it in the context of shedding one identity and assuming another and the space in between. But it does feel like that.. PS – One of my favourite Doors songs (saw Jim Morrison’s grave when I was in Paris many years ago – thought it was hilarious that lots of people still left tributes of weed on it (in the late 90s). @IRL – that quote also reflects very similar thoughts from Felix… Read more »
She says
” I need to feel an emotional connection before I sleep with someone”
*stifles laughter, cause I know that’s some bullshit*
Now I usually do some head work when a chick fixes her face to say some bs like that. But a lot of these chicks believe it.
What do you guys do?
@IRL and Culum Struan Culum, I really wish that you would just read Reality Transurfing. I think it would clear up some of your Game mindset hurdles that you have spoke about in game. It really has helped me in MRP game and it really, really has helped me in helping buddies game better ( in relationship game, admittedly, but I think it is even more crucial in PUA.) Here are the last three paragraphs in the book, which was actually the end of the glossary of terms. Sounds suspiciously like what IRL commented on about Brian Tracy’s Maximum Achievement.… Read more »
@Archie Isn’t it just one of these: – you trigger her ASD => make her chase you more (A2), form a ‘liminal space’ bubble (C1-C3) aka ’emotional connection’ lol – you trigger her boyfriend (BB) algorithm => need more jerkboy (AF)… who won’t trigger her ASD… lol But a lot of these chicks believe it. What do you guys do? Is that (a) an ONS question or (b) an LTR one? If (a) then why does it matter? If (b) then why is it an issue? See (a). All girls want the same: upside without the downside, the rest is… Read more »
Archie
How is it said? Blow off to an obvious advance? Or more general conversational during the scene?
Generally would just agree with her… “yeah me too” and then some feeling/emotion leading with some NLP type hooks.
Yes, lead her where you want her to be…
@SJF
Culum, I really wish that you would just read Reality Transurfing.
I don’t think Culum needs more reading (or watching videos).
“I don’t think Culum needs more reading (or watching videos).”
I think he has mental blocks. And I think he has the key to unlock his blocks. He just doesn’t know where the fucking key is. If he finds it? He’ll be better.
He’s got this. He just doesn’t know it yet.
@SJF
Well… what about 400+ approaches? Lol
Acting trumps looking for the key. Because to be honest “all you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure” (Mark Twain).
She says ” I need to feel an emotional connection before I sleep with someone” What do you guys do? Treat it like the shit test it is. Like when Rollo said that he overheard a pour girl say that she wouldn’t sleep with a keeper provider on a first date. It’s a female manipulations strategy, whether SNL, STR, or LTR. It’s merely female innate manipulation. That statement by a woman is overt. When women go overt? Guess what? They mean business. Which means she is invested in what you got as a provider. When she says she needs to… Read more »
Well… what about 400+ approaches? Lol Acting trumps looking for the key. Because to be honest “all you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure” (Mark Twain). Yes indeedy. Which is why I commeted. 400+ approaches without the mental blocks. Reality Transurfing methodology is precisely geared toward Acting. Ignorance and confidence is precisely what is called for. Ignorance is ignoring Importance. Confidence is conjoint with Comptence, which Culum has in hand. He’s just afraid to use his confidence…Because that would be hard… Importance The energy of importance becomes present when disproportionate meaning is ascribed to… Read more »
@SJF
Reality Transurfing methodology is precisely geared toward Acting.
I’m sure it’s a great book… but it’s still just that, a book. Someone else’s map… written in a code to be cracked. May as well be in Chinese for some. And the treasure might be in a completely different place. If it’s about a treasure… lol
Brain needs feedback from the real world. Rewiring it in a library rarely works.
Have you noticed that people more eagerly write about what they’ve done (read?) than do what they’ve read about? Which means that we do more ‘reading’ than ‘doing’…
@IRL “Have you noticed that people more eagerly write about what they’ve done (read?) than do what they’ve read about? Which means that we do more ‘reading’ than ‘doing’…” Don’t mistake me for a non-doer. Ever. I’ve done it all forever and forevermore. I have a lot of reference experiences. But part of how I got there was to learn from reference experience of other experts. And that also was part of my profession. Learn one, do one, teach one. Then we get into the problem on blogs of abstractions rather than concrete steps to take. And that paradox jams… Read more »
@SJF – done. I’ve bought Reality Transurfing and it’s on my Kindle. Just finishing Palma’s book and I’ll start that.
I think IRL is right in that I don’t need more knowledge – I have all the knowledge I need- it’s the action that will take me beyond the liminal space. But there’s no harm in reading *as long as it isn’t a buffer against taking action*
@SJF Lol ok… Reminded me of an old novel I read ages ago, Professor Mmaa’s Lecture by Stefan Themerson. “How many words you do need, Doctor, in order to analyze things which my pedicurist knows from a single sigh!” It’s a good satire on dog logic, knowledge and the grand scheme of things… with termites as the main characters. You may enjoy it actually. Difficult to find though… @Culum Brain needs exposure to enough evidence (positive experience) that it will be fine regardless. Kids don’t stop being scared of the dark by reading “Great Books” about it and rationally concluding… Read more »
“I think IRL is right in that I don’t need more knowledge – I have all the knowledge I need- it’s the action that will take me beyond the liminal space. But there’s no harm in reading *as long as it isn’t a buffer against taking action*” It’s not random Knowledge, it’s about tactically applying Game. When you have a goal, a man doesn’t sit around having inner desire and intend to act. He formulates a plan on how to get to his goal. Not just thinking about achieving the goal. But thinking about how to get to the goal.… Read more »
@Sentient been thinking about that alcove girl situ… and that liminal space idea… by the numbers… first step – WHO are you dealing with?… what is her situ?… She is married and has a three year old btw… so (per evo/bio), she still has about 2 more years of wired in ‘dependency’ on the BB providing for her and raising her kid… so, her ASD is going to be doubly pinged… not just societal (FI) expectations, but also the evo/hindbrain loss of provisioning avoidance is in play also… We head out. My hotel is a few blocks before hers. and… Read more »
aaand, ‘not approaching’ is better?…lol… ‘inefficient game’ is still game…lol… and ‘just approaching’ is actually Culum’s biggest sticking point…lol ‘perfect’ is the mortal enemy of ‘good enough’… and Culum is MORE than good enough… he just has to get out of his own way… Agreed. I’m not advocating not approaching. I’m advocating using “in between time” to top off Culum’s tank of free excess energy (charisma). From 90% full to 107% full. By swapping notes among men. Eliminating his thumbscrew by Knowing Himself. Merely reading a book while approaching. Its not a zero sum game out there. He does have… Read more »
Where in the world is YaReally? And what is the state of PUA’s?
http://www.returnofkings.com/159286/the-death-of-the-pua-community
HABD Interesting. Thanks this^^^ is where you lost it… her hindbrain was giving you the info you needed (to invite her into YOUR liminal space), you just didn’t spot it in real time and convert on that insight…lol What I was thinking was get her further from Ground Zero, where I was staying. I did not pick up any hints “nice rooms there?” etc. The vibe could have been stronger… you failed to create/maintain/intensify that liminal space of ‘what happens with Sentient, stays with Sentient’…lol… you remember… secret society shit…lol Coda – saw her the next day, with her bag,… Read more »
do you think you could have (if you recognized this situ in real time) pulled her back out of ‘real life’ and back into that liminal space?…ie back to your place… (trying to turn around a ‘bad set’…)
Probably not… too much real life all around that location. Maybe if logistics where better with other dark passages not in her direction, or mine… also having the dude there we both knew limited options during the build up…
conscience
Just gonna drop this here to keep a baseline in the FR section… https://www.instagram.com/p/BC-PkX2MXDk/ Real life 9 in the wild. The HB scale is logarithmic remember. No fudging. Just ask your balls. Sentient used to put up these photos at CH (and i think he’s done some here too)… for game practice… the FIRST step (which is true for any RP exercise) is to actually SEE what is in front of you… THEN engage with a plan… maybe he should start that again, bc it was actually a great exercise…lol Anyone gonna step up? I’ll admit, if I have to… Read more »
She’s got the body of a 13 year old boy
erm… no.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCLc1y1MXJF/?taken-by=mariesmlratel
@Sentient
Real life 9 in the wild. The HB scale is logarithmic remember. No fudging.
Just ask your balls.
she’s… Just A Girl ™… in higher-end packaging, but still…lol
I’ll admit, if I have to think about a) approaching and b) an opener and c) what’s next…
It’s daunting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CemLiSI5ox8
it’s all just analysis…lol… and isn’t that really the point of those exercises?…
good luck!
@sentient
shes alright…. I guess on the pua scale she’d be a 9.
im alot more interested in these
I’m with mersonia on this one.
Interesting. Pretty face. What’s in her back pocket?
LAWD HAVE MERCY!!!!!!!
😂😂😂
Yaaassss.
Mersonia, on vacation last summer one of those was standing outside of a restaurant handing out specials flyers. Motherfuckers were walking into each other looking at her. I’d wager the profits rose because ” dudes “.
… Solid 7, but daammnnn.😅
“Anyone gonna step up?”
“everyone here is judging you right now… except me. jurys still out if I’ll consider it. but in the meantime, I’ll tell you one thing… girls tell me secrets…. and we stay friends for life. enjoy being graded by these serfs. I hang out at the blank sometimes. see you around.”
exit
“She’s got the body of a 13 year old boy”
dude, you would malfunction trying to use that
her: 101 mph sinking fastball
you: trying to find the form to enter little league
@sentients girl is hot, but I have to go with @mersonia’s girl here! Might fine! Please tell me she’s done porn!! Good exercise regarding ”what would you say” though. Look forward to seeing some interesting openers Since banging that Czech girl a few weeks back (my 2nd hottest girl I’d say), my AA is at all time highs for some reason. Can’t explain why. Maybe it was because she kind of fell into my lap in a way after i’d had a number of instant rejections which hurt my confidence. She ended up being a ‘warm approach’ in a way.… Read more »
Very strong Fleezer. Very strong.
She’s got the body of a 13 year old boy
He died while fucking her and she had him mounted and displays him on her bedroom wall.
They are both hot, but I personally prefer the girl Sentient posted
@scars
@scars
@newly
didn’t know if you were aware, but part 3 was on Austen’s channel:
@scars
2:20 – 4:30
@J
No, I was not aware, but thanks. I’ll add that to my page.
It’s comforting to see that there are still guys out there selling pickup.
Perusing the Reddit boards, and these boys are pretty lost. Dating is not seduction, not pickup, and certainly not game.
What is the the future of sexuality of a single Indian man in the USA? He’s 22,5’6″, softwear developer, knows kung-fu, very much in shape, got money…He’s not black… For short term relationship and LTR…
@IRL – I finally watched that Backwards Brain Bicycle video – it’s amazing. Especially the bit about how he practiced it for 5 minutes a day every day for 8 months and he still couldn’t do it, and then suddenly overnight he could just do it – like he didn’t even notice the practice making a difference and building new neural pathways in the brain for 8 months – until it all came together and suddenly he could do it (and the 20 mins it takes him to shift back to the old pathways and ride a “normal” bike again).… Read more »
Oh.. Yeah He’s smart as well
@Kung fu cat – Welcome to TRM. Sorry to be all cliche an’ all but the future is what you make of it. If you do nothing you can be an incel no matter how much money you have or how much kung fu you know. If you do a bit, you can be a “normal” guy (nothing wrong with that) and sleep with about 10 girls in total, mostly in a series of LTRs, and settle down and marry a “nice girl”. If you really push it and become exceptional at something and learn Game and practice and “do… Read more »
LOL
Don’t laugh at me cowboy…
Troll?
Girls=Girls.
@KFC Rich 5’6″ Indian guy? A “short” Indian guy from Trinidad/Guyana who grew up in NYC or back on the island has *zero* problems chasing tail. An Indian guy from India/Bangladesh/Pakistan has nothing but problems. They look the same, but they don’t act the same. And that’s they key difference. It’s weird to me that Arab dudes have zero problems with white girls, even though they are usually short and have accents So your prototypical hard case Indian IT guy that’s short and has a harsh accent, but worships snow bunnies – he needs to take a trip to Trinidad… Read more »
@Kung-fu
@Kung-fu Cat Spend the afternoon reading the Best of Roissy: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-42283.html It sad seeing gameless rich indian dudes trying to pickup girls. Two weeks in a row man. Last week, I walk in the club with two chicks and this girl (total cunt) sees this short indian guy. “perfect” I imagined she said to herself lol. I can tell, guy is filled with joy and excitement that a 9 is talking to him. and then I see her do the typical pretend to show interest in the guy, dance with him for a little bit, all just to get drinks… Read more »
@IRL I think “hell yeah I’ll come over to say hello to Sentient” lol. I lol’d. Just dropping in to give an update and gather some advice. Been in an LTR with the girl I last wrote about for the past 3 months and it’s been relatively effortless. She’s essentially everything that I was missing in my last relationship. Speaking of which, the girl from my last relationship went radio silent on me right after breaking up with her and out of nowhere reached out to wish me good luck on my next athletic event a couple of months later.… Read more »
Last Sat. night a girl amused me. I asked her to dance, she refused, patronizingly, then within 5 secs I had another partner, then refuse girl said she’d dance with me, I refused, refuse girl had sour grapes and left the bar with her group. So amusing. I blogged about it and Ame provided an excellent breakdown.
@theasdgamer Classic entitled chick syndrome. It’s so fun to turn the tables on ’em after they see you give value via leading a dance and showing your partner a good time. Last time I was out I had danced a couple in a row and was taking a break. Turned to the girl behind me to ask her to dance and she just stares at me and signals non-verbally that she is currently enjoying her drink and prefers not to dance. I give her a big smile, turn my back, ask another girl and take it from there. Girls are… Read more »
@Catchers
Good call. It was kind of bizarre that the girl changed her mind in the space of five secs and I already had another partner by then. Both girls were mid to late 20s and HB7 brunettes. Attractive, but nothing to write home about. Neither was showing much skin, either.
Pre-selection at work. Scooping up the next chick in full view of the last chick is one of the more subtle pleasures of the game. It’s up there with turning down a chick, flaking on a chick because you have better options.
I remember chilling with one chick that I already bagged. She was fronting on the pussy. Then my phone rang. I could see her stewing as I got up and left to go fuck some other chick.
Every time you flip the script, a player gets his wings.
Pre-selection at work. Scooping up the next chick in full view of the last chick is one of the more subtle pleasures of the game. Speaking of which… Was with GF shopping this past weekend and we’re looking good. Her blonde hair is flowin’ and her midriff is showin’ and we’re waiting to cross the street. Oh … who is that crossing towards us just soaking us both in but trying not to look? Yeah … it’s the young girl from work I took on a date pre RP that wasn’t interested afterwards but was happy to have me in… Read more »
Catchers
Pea Eye Emm Pea
@scars I failed to open a single set on Saturday night just gone. Super angry at myself. All I could think was ”I know what happens. I’ll open her. She ignores/looks at me like i’m on fire and backturns me. Then I feel like shit. I want to avoid that shitty feeling” and ended up just bantering with my mates all night instead. Think big. In moments like that you’re too focused on a small part of your night. You think you must succeed in this specific time window and get this specific girl. What you project then is neediness,… Read more »
@Catchers
How would you have played this?
Don’t overthink this, keep it simple:
You want pizza = you get pizza
You want to get it for others = you get it for others too
You want to consider their wishes/needs = you consider them
You want to eat healthy = you don’t get pizza and tell them women what you want to see on the table by X o’clock lol
@Catchers
Oh and it never hurts if you ask girls to do something for you before doing something for them.
Saying NO is fine too.
Good move on ignoring mom’s request, she needs to earn it first. Give them an inch and…
Hey @IRL I wasn’t gonna post my latest FR because due to memory failure, it’ll be way too hard for people to diagnose exactly where I fvcked up due to so many missing details! (I think maybe some pills i’d taken reacted with the beer and affected my memory as my memory isn’t usually so hazy when having a few beers) But since you’ve got me in the mood for game talk after reminding me of my prior FR you quited, i’ll post it anyway! Here’s how last night went as much as I can remember: First approach was as… Read more »
@scars I try to initiate some physical contact by just touching her arm You can treat kino as a compliance test and then the response you get is just an indicator of where you are in the interaction. A simple signal “I’m ready” (you’re doing something right) or “I’m not ready” (you’ve done enough things right yet), that’s it. Good that you wanted to push it forward, so don’t be too harsh on yourself. Also, where were you when you touched her arm? It feels differently when you’re at arm’s length, when you face her, when you stand next to… Read more »
“I’m not ready” (you *haven’t done enough things right yet)
@scars
You know this one yeah?
(re: touching e.g. from 20:46)
@IRL Thanks for the links I’m not TOO concerned with the incident with the girl backing off from my touch to be honest. It’s like the first time that’s ever happened to me from memory, and I must have made that initial kino/incidental touch move maybe 1000+ times now without any issues! I don’t think I done anything wrong as such.I guess she just really didn’t want me touching her. No biggie. With the first ‘interested’ girl, you’re right about compliance test, and I should have probably been testing the waters more with touch and moving her around etc (for… Read more »
Scars I wish I would have at least just told her she was hot! Rapport routine, acknowledge she is hot without saying “your so hawt!”… show you understand her – and by extension other hot girts – without thirst. Can modify this a bunch of different ways depending on her vibe… Man: what’s up? True 8: blah blah blah Man: [smirk] I see you have PGS… 8: What’s PGS? Man: [deep eye contact] “PGS – [pause] pretty girl syndrome” 8: LoL, What? Man: [deep eye contact] i mean, it must really be hard… going around with all these other girls…… Read more »
@scars
Oh… I didn’t realize you wanted to talk to them… instead of TAKING them home 😉
What do you talk about with other girls that don’t intimidate you?
@IRL – To be honest, she didn’t intimidate me (although the 18 year old after here did!! haha) It was more that I just didn’t want to go backwards in the interaction after she’d showed some attraction by asking me if i’m single, asking if I liked her etc. I got in my head about conversational escalation etc. I think you’re saying that it doesn’t matter what you talk about? I could have asked basically spoke about anything and there’s not real rules about topics based on where you are in the interaction? If so, that’s cool to know! My… Read more »
@scars I can’t find my pocket Cat-o-nese to English dictionary, but I’m pretty sure she said “just make it happen you idiot, what else do you want me to do, suck your cock in front of everyone?!”… lol What do you expect girls to say when they are happy to go home with you? Nb. no other animal needs verbal cues… She gives you IOIs, you RESPOND with taking her elsewhere (e.g. “I’m hungry, let’s go”). This COMMUNICATES you know what you’re doing, you’re smooth, you just get it. Calibrate accordingly as she may need to see if you’re the… Read more »
I can’t find my pocket Cat-o-nese to English dictionary
Found this instead… too bad it’s only beta LTR version… lol
This is not pick-up related, but I read some articles on TRM about red pill parenting and the FI sitgmatising maleness as somehow “toxic”, such that a conversation I had today struck a chord with the aforementioned. So I was talking to a colleague at work during a break, and he was telling me about his family, and also what he was doing at the weekend, or not be doing rather, lamenting the fact that his wife wasn’t going to have to work, and therefore wouldn’t be able to do a social thing that he had planned because that would… Read more »
Just to add to the above, I wanted to challenge my colleague on accepting this opinion of this teacher and specialist so readily, but I wasn’t sure how to approach it, because the fellow is thoroughly blue pill (his wife is a strange one too, can’t give away too many details, but the seems like the career woman that settled in her thirties as she the hit the wall, described so many times on here), and is also completely invested in the school system, with the firm belief that hi children getting good grades in school being the foundation of… Read more »
Something I didn’t make clear, If the boy was violent, or destructive, or badly anti-social in some way, I might think that the teacher and specialist had a point, but to say a kid is ill because his mind wanders somewhat during class, seems crazy.
Just to add to the above, I wanted to challenge my colleague on accepting this opinion of this teacher and specialist so readily, but I wasn’t sure how to approach it, because the fellow is thoroughly blue pill (his wife is a strange one too, can’t give away too many details, but the seems like the career woman that settled in her thirties as she the hit the wall, described so many times on here), and is also completely invested in the school system, with the firm belief that hi children getting good grades in school being the foundation of… Read more »
“I did ask if his son was into any sort of competitive sport…” Was he? A boy can’t be raised properly without engaging in a competitive sport. In a merit based burden of performance world. I get what the problem is with labeling a normal boy with ADHD as a way to label his wayward stuff as dangerous to to calm collective of a school class. I don’t get what the problem is with a boy taking Ritalin or Adderall. Those drugs are a competitive advantage for boys. It’s a nootropic drug. And promotes ordered thinking and logic. That’s a… Read more »
“A simple “why are you drugging your son for normal boy behavior? is a good opening.” I’m under the impression that these drugs are a competitive advantage in intellectual pursuits and in the classroom. What are the downsides of the amphetamines? Except for the possibility of over-driving and insomnia. I appreciate the downsides of insomnia, i.e. improper sleep leads to not resolving issues of the brain. Not working out your stresses in REM sleep, not aligning your heart with your thoughts. Having stifling, self suppression. But I don’t think during waking sleep that amphetamines with stifle Action. And Action is… Read more »
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC181133/table/i1523-5998-002-05-0159-t01/
You can’t make guys take the red pill. I can’t even get guys on pickup boards to talk about pickup. The affected man has to go through personal trauma and see that what they were doing, what they were taught, was wrong. After that, they need an “easy” win to be convinced that there are alternatives to the programming. Just like chicks, reason doesn’t convince them. If Dad can take the boys to see his mother (their grandmother) (w/o the wife) and get her to compare how he was as a child to them, he’ll at least see that this… Read more »
Kids shouldn’t be drugged. Period, end of story. This drugging bullshit, along with the sudden ( last 20 or so years ) appearance of soooo many kids, mostly boys, being diagnosed with ” something ” is totally fucked. What I want to know is what the fuck changed all of a sudden that so many kids, mostly boys, are diagnosed as having some kind of problem??? This is fuxking madness. Fuxking schools and teachers need to stick to education. Fuxking parents need to learn how to raise their kids. Society needs to stop promoting weak motherfuckers with a million goddamned… Read more »
“Drugging” is a pejorative term. Amphetamines can can have side effects in a messed up kid. If a kid is kinda normal. I don’t think so, because he can sort his difficulties out after a period of time. I’m not talking about the rough youngsters, I’m talking about after the culling. And after like 16, 17, 18, years old. Not like pre-teen. And when they get to college, I’ve heard Adderall really performs well well along with some Focus Factor for studying and test taking. Unless the young-uns fall on their face with a social anxiety disorder, or get paranoid,… Read more »
@scars “It was more that whenever I have an interaction that completely stalls out, I often feel like that blatant intent would have at least been better than whatever I did or didn’t) do!” From Honest Signalz: – Establish and expand on the man to woman dynamic. She needs to know from the start why you’re there. You communicate that first through your vibe and then through physicality and statements of intent. – I.e. “You’re adorable” – “I wanna marry you” – “You’re my new girlfriend” So get them to talk about themselves. Ask them questions. Then when they say… Read more »
No. Never. The state and the professional need to leave 99% of kids alone and don’t prescribe drugs for them. Fuck all of the ” better living through chemistry ” shit. Once a kid turns 18, he can decide for himself.
Most of what’s going on now is fairly new, and it’s a crime.
“Ritalin (methylphenidate) is a central nervous system stimulant prescribed for treating narcolepsy (uncontrollable sleepiness), and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Ritalin is available as a generic drug. Common side effects of Ritalin include: nervousness, agitation, anxiety, sleep problems (insomnia), stomach pain, loss of appetite, weight loss, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, palpitations, headache, vision problems, increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, sweating, skin rash, psychosis, and numbness, tingling, or cold feeling in your hands or feet. Ritalin recommended dose is 10-60 mg daily given in 2 or 3 divided doses. Ritalin may interact with blood thinners, clonidine, dobutamine, epinephrine, isoproterenol, cold/allergy medicine that… Read more »
100% to be clear.
“I’ve heard Adderall really performs well well along with some Focus Factor for studying and test taking.”
yeah but it will also damage your brain chemistry permanently. In one of his posts on studying here: https://www.patreon.com/thefaceberg (which I highly recommend to all YSGs) Faceberg recommends detoxing from electronics for a few weeks by going on a meditation retreat or taking a cruise for a two weeks without your phone/computer to fix your attention span.
yeah but it will also damage your brain chemistry permanently. In one of his posts on studying here: https://www.patreon.com/thefaceberg (which I highly recommend to all YSGs) Faceberg recommends detoxing from electronics for a few weeks by going on a meditation retreat or taking a cruise for a two weeks without your phone/computer to fix your attention span. Not hardly if you grow your boys right. And they have fine brain chemistry. If they have fine brain chemistry, Adderall is icing on their cake. And they can sell it on the street for $3-5 on campus when they are the boss… Read more »