Field Reports

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For the past three years of The Rational Male there’s been a consistent presence in the comment threads of guys seeking advice for particular situations with regards to Game. Whether it’s fine tuning certain aspects of Game or a larger consensus of the guys participating in my comment threads it’s become obvious there’s a need for a dedicated page and comment thread to address these Field Reports.

So I’m instituting this page for exactly this. If there is some urgency to have members of The Rational Male community analyze your particular situation feel free to hit anyone up in the comments of my current post, but please refer them to your particular field report with a link to your comment here. I’m hoping this will alleviate the mass of posts for field report analysis and Game specific insights piled into the main blog post for any given week.

There will be some rules for this “forum” as such. I ask that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible. There will be no moderation in this comment thread (spamming excepted), so realize it will be a very hot kitchen before you post. I will impose no restrictions on video links here, nor will I limit links to various, but pertinent articles.

Understand, this is an experiment for now. It’s likely this comment thread will exceed thousands of comments. I’ll be instituting new comment plug-ins for wordpress to deal with this in the future, but I may archive this page the the posts and refresh this page in the future as well. If this gets cumbersome I may simply institute a dedicated forum-style sub-site of The Rational Male to accommodate for Game specific questions.

So have at it, post your field reports and feel free to comment on the ones you have some particular insight for. Be forewarned that it’s likely things may get a bit salty at times and I expect a lot of back & forth with debate and disagreements, but that’s what this thread is for – to hash out Game particulars for your given situations.

 

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IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@ChunkyMonkey This admission took me aback somewhat, particularly in the matter of fact manner in which my colleague just accepted the opinion (and rather flimsy opinion I would contend, based on his details of the diagnosis) of the teacher and the specialist before resigning to regularly throw Amphetamins down his child’s neck. This is how ADHD is diagnosed… it’s based on opinions and impressions… of your FI environment. Same with quantifying how well the medications work, how to adjust the dose etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH4UzMcbmjU About pre-teen “patients”… I guess those candy-flavored amphetamines must be for adults… And I agree with Archie,… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Back in the old days, perhaps the last couple years of the 1990’s my kids were perhaps five and seven and my brother came over with his perhaps 7 year old son. We had a big back yard for small bedroom community standards. It was fenced in and had a 800 sq. ft. cedar deck and hot tub. We meet and greet my brother and his wife (PhD Psychologist) and my wife tells the kids to go out back and fucking “Play”. Their kid, my nephew has a look of fear. He voices: “But who is going to watch us”… Read more »

Blaq P1ll
Blaq P1ll
4 years ago

Alright gentlemen, I seek my final piece of advice from you guys. For the last three years I intensively applied game to all areas of my life. I started lifting and changed my body, I changed my attitude to myself, my work, seeking input from this site, CH, the Red Pill Reddit forum and others. The results have generally been positive. But in this time I have failed to bed a single 8+ girl. I have had built strong attraction to dozens of them, and kissed a few, including a solid 9. This thread is littered with my mishaps, and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Blaq Pill

a few things stand out from your series of posts…

1) You come across as a sheep in wolf’s clothing… You act one way initially, Alpha, then switch to Beta… the higher HB girls get a whiff and turns them off…

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2) Pedestalizing hotter girls

3) Ego investments with lower HB scale girls because “they see you as high value”

4) related, you don’t believe you ARE high value enough for higher HB girls…

5) Propensity to want to “date”… (see #1)

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Blaximus What I want to know is what the fuck changed all of a sudden that so many kids, mostly boys, are diagnosed as having some kind of problem??? as always, follow the money… the FI is pushing on the system… to ‘make boys into girls’ (just like Rollo describes every f*kin’ week…)… that leads to stakeholders ‘invested’ in that system – mostly Dept of Ed/unions and big pharma/cultural marxists/etc… as well as all those FI/BP ‘feminists’… who then push on their legislators ‘to do something!’…etc… every kid that gets ‘diagnosed’ gets an IEP… https://infogalactic.com/info/Individualized_Education_Program https://www.understood.org/en/school-learning/special-services/ieps/understanding-individualized-education-programs which includes ADHD as… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Blaq P1ll After breaking up with her I went for one last stab at glory. I had a blonde model eating out of my hand after months of texting. She caught on that I am a musician and listened to one of my songs on Soundcloud 42 times. She was interested, I invited her on a date, she did a no show, and I didn’t react at all. A week later she texted me with a ‘hey’ I made light of it, said I thought she’d been eaten by a bear, and after that things petered out to nothing. you… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I just decided she was a ‘no girl’ straight away

There are no “no” girls…just girls that take a little more Game. See my FR for a girl who switched from “no” to “yes” within five secs. My Game was totally amused mastery and aloofness…Frame

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@scars

The NoToYes girl looked at me and my looks said “no” to her, but my manner in handling her rejection said, “yes.” Frame. Inner Game.

Blaq P1ll
Blaq P1ll
4 years ago

@adsgamer I did date two girls at once earlier this year. It wasn’t my thing. No they don’t actually like sharing a dude, for a start. Where the fuck did you get that? They like other girls wanting the dude they have for themselves. What put me off was time, I don’t have time for two, or enough sap left in my nuts either, when it comes down to it. So I chose the one who I had more fun with. Why didn’t I keep running things with her while I went for hot blondie? Because that would be cowardly.… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@Blaq Pill

Where the fuck did you get that?

“My” comment somehow got put in HABD’s comment, haha. Anyway, if you read Rollo’s stuff, you’ll quickly see that Hypergamy causes girls to choose the best option they can…and hot guys always have several girls on the hook. I wonder if you’ve ever known any real players.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I am 40 (she is 23)

I’m over 60. YesToNo girl was in her mid 20s and HB7. Age only matters to girls if you think it matters. Height only matters to girls if you think it matters. Clothing only matters to girls if you think it matters. Race only matters to girls if you think it matters. Weight only matters to girls if you think it matters. It’s almost like there’s some sort of pattern here…

Blaq P1ll
Blaq P1ll
4 years ago

@theadsgamer are you saying I am letting that fact that I’m a 40 year old, black jew who is bald, 4 foot high, weighs 400 pounds and wears his underwear on his head mess with my own head game? Don’t generalize though. Age matters to some girls, to some girls it doesn’t. The first girl I got with this year was 23 and she gave me a powerpoint presentation on why she wouldn’t date a guy under 30. This model was different. The issue was probably that she’s a model and has 20+ dudes on her tail, and I’m just… Read more »

boulderhead
4 years ago

@Blaq pill Man you have to come up with a better reason than steady worship of a 6.5 to make a till death commitment , that shit doesn’t go away you know. It is funny how things work out, like if you did get th 6 locked down (really it is her locking you down you just can’t see that now) it will change your luck with the 8+ chicks by taking your outcome based bias off the table. Funny how this works, we would always treat them all the same ,the low numbers were practice girls with the higher… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Blaq P1ll I did date two girls at once earlier this year. It wasn’t my thing. couldn’t take the FI pressure, eh?…lol… really try to feeel that FI hand on your shoulder… it seems like you are in the market for some armor polish…lol… hit up EhIntellect… he had some Extra Shiny ™ that he doesn’t seem to be using anymore…lol… (and props on that EhIntellect!…) No they don’t actually like sharing a dude, for a start. simple question… whose frame are you in when you are more worried about what the girls think/feel/believe is important?… you?… or them?… girls… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@Blaq P1ll Another angry/frustrated soul? Don’t choke on that pill, man. There’s still some work ahead of you… keep pushing. Just remember: “we cannot solve problems by way of the same level of thinking that created them”. No they don’t actually like sharing a dude, for a start. Where the fuck did you get that? LOL https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/01/lou-williams-clippers-legend-blake-griffin-allen-iverson-doc-rivers Three years later, Drake confirmed in a verse that Williams was dating two women at the same time, and they were content with the arrangement. So not only did he attract rappers and subdue criminals, he openly juggled girlfriends, an unconventional triple-double that… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

Or grab a paintbrush/camera… lol

http://www.cronicajalisco.com/nimagenes/7/2017-08-16_08-08-18___8728.jpg

j
j
4 years ago

State boosters saw this post on NextASF today: https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/night-game/320527-my-experience-with-2-naturals-using-adderall/page2 The discussion turned into state boosters without the ED/Hangover effect (adderall). On page 2, PureEvil shared his state booster stack (more than 4 links goes to mod, so hit the link above to see the brands he recommends for each of these): “Cacao Nibs – up to three tablespoons – great for nights out, plowing through work, and appetite suppression (I can fast a whole day nibbling on these, great when you need to fast a solid day to cut back up cause you let yourself slip too many days in… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

“Black Maca – teaspoon before i head out for the night. Lasting non-jittery energy and a minor boner-booster. Downside: too many days in a row and I notice I’m considerably more combatitive and easily annoyed, it can wind you up and make you feel like you’re ready for war. Regular Maca – I’ll take a teaspoon of this pretty much every morning. Doesn’t have that extra edge that black maca has. All around healthy energy-boosting boner-helping adaptogenic superfood Ashwaghanda – Maca’s chill cousin. Boost testosterone (along with many other benefits) but in a relaxed kind of way. Makes me horny!… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

Interesting, adding to my notes. Made me think: what resources on health, strength, stamina, libido etc. you guys recommend? In terms of intersexual dynamics, we have TRM (books, blog, comments), CH (e.g. Best of Roissy), MM book, infields and breakdowns from PUAs (YaReally, old school RSD etc.) and other more specialized resources to tweak specific areas. What would be a similar knowledge base for health/body? I’d say I’m somewhere in between fleezer’s “lift heavy weights and eat” and “lift certain heavy weights according to…” (https://therationalmale.com/2018/03/20/dangers-of-the-blue-pill/comment-page-3/#comment-245405). Assume I want to refine all I know and do (in terms of health/body) for… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@Eh
Speaking of fleezer’s comment, another great piece from Archie:
http://www.westindianarchie.com/how-to-handle-groups-and-mixed-sets/

@scars, another layer to discover once you start experimenting with moving them around.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I was dancing Fri. night at my country bar. I asked a tomboyish HB7 to dance and she refused. Then I asked the feminine HB8 next to her to dance and the HB8 accepted. The HB7 looked at the HB8 with incredulity, lol. I’ve danced with the HB8 before and taught her a dance and she’s a bit of a dance geek as well. She and I danced a couple of dances. She’s a fun girl and I told her that she and another guy looked good dancing together. I asked every girl in one group to dance and they… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Good job ASDgamer Was that night what you would call a Peak Experience? It seems so. For the win. For all a man wants to do, there are passive pursuits and active pursuits. Going out and dancing is a metaphor for active. Pursuing. Penetrating the world. (As an abstract it spills over into other metaphorical pursuits of penetrating the world. It’s a thing. And it shouldn’t be taken lightly. There are styles of masculine self-improvement. I have reference experiences in being in the Red Queen State of “a character who has to keep running to stay in the same place”… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Was that night what you would call a Peak Experience?
It seems so. For the win.

thanks, SJF…I think my social awareness may have bumped up a notch…it terms of female engagement, it seemed pretty typical…a bartender comped me a bottled water

Blaq P1ll
Blaq P1ll
4 years ago

I found out happened with my model friend this weekend. I was sitting at my local bar this weekend when I see her come out the kitchen. I was surprised because she used to be a promo girl who worked the bars in my area, but made a big show of quitting to start a day job. I ignore her and she ignores me. I go home, then come back later that night to meet a friend. This time she sees me standing outside and she comes up to me and gives me a hug. I ask her what’s up,… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@Blaq P1ll

What is/are your goal(s)? A girl to go on dates with? A few fuckbuddies you see once a week? Your own MGTOW life with only occasional girls?

Decide what you want in tangible terms, define a plan to get there and execute it. Everything else is dissipating energy.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ Blaq “why don’t I want to date two girls at a time? Because I seriously don’t have time. I have about 10 hours free a week, and I need at least 5 of those to chill by myself and decompress. ” Holy fuck brother! Only ten hours a week to yourself and what you will? There’s something amiss with your work-play balance. I write this because you deserve better…but only taking 10hrs? Why not be selfish and take 20 for yourself and twotime your gf? Some guys use their jobs as buffers too…i.e. “I don’t have time cuz my… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

“ask Tiger Woods how spinning plates worked out for him. ”

He seems o.k., no?

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

You didn’t get the memo?

http://www.penelopeironstone.com/401cultureoffear.jpg

j
j
4 years ago

@Blaq P1ll “ask Tiger Woods how spinning plates worked out for him. ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_pressure http://bristollair.com/2008/inner-game/nature-reality/secret-society/ “The funny thing is the guys that would most benefit from reading a post like this would not buy any of it. Guys who stick to their Disney myths always belittle anything remotely similar to this. Since there has been a social stigma towards sleeping around since forever, people will naturally develop codes and mannerisms to apply when they are looking for socially unapproved sex. It is a lot like how drug dealers and buyers have their own lingo and unwritten rules to follow. Any… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

6) Communication in the secret society is less often verbal, and more often spoken through bodylanguage subcommunications, and verbal subcommunications that would only make sense to members. Any other way, and the 48% of men would pick up on it, and it would no longer be a secret.

Why laser and early kino so important.

Blaq P1ll
Blaq P1ll
4 years ago

@Ehintellect that Tiger thing made me laugh. His wife tried to remove his head with a golf club, he lost millions in a divorce and that combined with injuries seemed to really mess with his mental game, which had always been top, and the guy hasn’t won a Major since. If you call that ‘doing well’… but you must know what I mean. There are women out there who probably don’t mind sharing. But there are women out there who are insecure and don’t like competition from other women and it will make them go nuts. Maybe you just haven’t… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

“Why laser and early kino so important.” Yeah. Last Sunday, I was at a bar with my wing and we were talking to a 2 set. Vibing..joking around…rubbing her lower back…A little time passes, then I ask one of them, “when was your last relationship?” – one says 2 months ago. the other I forget. Then she ask my wing. He self depreciates, saying he’s a virgin. and then she ask me, and as I’m about to answer, she answers for me, “last night” and then both girls laugh. “I can just tell off his vibe” she added. and then… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

“Maybe you just haven’t run into any BPDs.”

ok but why would anyone want to get into a serious relationship with a BPD in the first place?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Re secret society

What the hell do I know….but the weekend was surreal.

I was on foot 12hrs Saturday, pub hopping, some errands.

Lazing, subtle convos with women, my soft negs…nohomo compliments to the guys, giving navigation tips to local bars, high energy women, visiting couples offering me rides around town, many shots pro bono, took one ride to a sporting event, boozing and cruising, then decent looking divorced MILF wanted me to come back for a jacuzzi dip. I wasn’t against that per se, but her bf got a headache, I calibrated for once and bid adieu.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Blaq, Good talking to you. Do you really think Tigers all that pissed about who he is, not winning major a that. I don’t know much but I know this: Tiger is playing golf full time as a job for Christ’s sake and he may not be at his top but perhaps he didn’t like where he was, felt he was a mule for all his entourage did his thing and got sloppy. It’s not all about cash and prizes and I’ll never know what it’s like being Tiger so I never, ever, ever use that as a point of… Read more »

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“ok but why would anyone want to get into a serious relationship with a BPD in the first place?”

Why such an easy question? For sex in the setting of a mindset of scarcity.

LOL. I’d trade places with Tiger Woods at any point in his career. Except for that one spell where he lost his Vision.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

He lost millions…

I’m not sure he cared. I don’t know much but I know this: I used to think of money as more than a tool and a bunch of digits and learned from an successful accountant businessman to stop doing that and since never been happier and no less wealthy.

It’s scarcity mentality and self enslavement thinking otherwise.

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Blaq P1ll @habd why don’t I want to date two girls at a time? Because I seriously don’t have time. I have about 10 hours free a week, and I need at least 5 of those to chill by myself and decompress. During my chill time or after work I don’t even want my phone buzzing with texts. Yes, I turn it off, but next day its ten texts, and questions and blah blah. if you really only have 10 hours a week for yourself (and you’re not currently a resident/doctor/or similar…) then you really might want to reevaluate your… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

@ HABD Why FR’s work only when open to criticsm, generally report but not DEER and are harmful when otherwise: From antifragile: Further, my characterization of a loser is someone who, after making a mistake, doesn’t introspect, doesn’t exploit it, feels embarrassed and defensive rather than enriched with a new piece of information, and tries to explain why he made the mistake rather than moving on. These types often consider themselves the “victims” of some large plot, a bad boss, or bad weather. Finally, a thought. He who has never sinned is less reliable than he who has only sinned… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@EhIntellect @ HABD Why FR’s work only when open to criticsm, generally report but not DEER and are harmful when otherwise: From antifragile: Further, my characterization of a loser is someone who, after making a mistake, doesn’t introspect, doesn’t exploit it, feels embarrassed and defensive rather than enriched with a new piece of information, and tries to explain why he made the mistake rather than moving on. These types often consider themselves the “victims” of some large plot, a bad boss, or bad weather. Finally, a thought. He who has never sinned is less reliable than he who has only… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Tiger was solid beta… he had situational alpha bc of his place in golf… and his wife only HAD to ‘take action’ bc she was denied her ‘plausible deniability’ by the press… so, she was forced to do so to ‘save face’… like i’ve said before… girls do not like to be second-placed… and j posted some relevant links… I believe the quality of many of his affairs played a part as well. Women will feel disrespected if you go lower then they are… Cats not dogs etc… Will be interesting to see how Melania reacts to the latest attempts… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

I think melania was cool with Trump being Trump, but now all of the constant public scrutiny might just throw a monkey wrench into paradise. Trump consistently cheated on all of his wives, and Ivana used to put him on blast quite regularly. Back then the media would make a fuss for a week or two, and move on. Standard operating procedure for decades. Trump occupying the white House makes all of this different now because in a formal legal setting, especially Wrt to Mueller and his investigation, lying is a fed crime. Clinton was Impeached for lying, not for… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

…. Playing devil’s advocate here, can Trump be impeached for something that took place a decade before he was ever elected? Why would the Senate even get involved as long as Trump can avoid a courtroom? Clinton was impeached basically over the other chick ( forget her name…. Flowers?) , but he denied getting blown by Monica in front of rolling cameras. Fuel to fire.I don’t think the Senate as configured will be too hasty to lean towards impeachment, as long as Trump stays relatively quiet and out of the courts. It’s the direct questions that could fuck him up…”… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
4 years ago

Been watching reruns of Hell’s Kitchen

Not dissimilar to FR’s

The cook asks for help, Ramsey shows up and evaluates, recommends. The cook takes offense, DEER’s then doubles down on his bad business plan, Ramsey screams at him, embarrassing him with the truth of his own failures in front of everybody. He either changes for the better permanently or makes superficial changes but then reverts back soon after and it all soon collapses.

boulderhead
4 years ago

I did not sleep with that woman!

sleep was the furthest thing from my mind.

having a bad day
having a bad day
4 years ago

@Sentient I believe the quality of many of his affairs played a part as well. Women will feel disrespected if you go lower then they are… Cats not dogs etc… +1… FI was/is still kickin’ his ass… plus he confessed to the affairs…lol… and when all those affairs were brought out of the liminal space of ‘out there’ and into reality (with the confession)… and even potentially into her backyard, her hindbrain needed to react (likely the end result of a guard dog situ spin-up)… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269682/Tiger-Woods-After-120-affairs-Raychel-Coudriet-fling-Elin-Nordegrens-final-straw.html aaand oneitis…lol https://www.foxsports.com/golf/story/tiger-woods-wants-to-remarry-ex-wife-elin-nordegren-after-divorce-cheating-sex-scandal-011613 and now, dating in his ‘appropriate’ age range…lol (pretty sure he… Read more »

WestIndianArchie
4 years ago

The funniest thing about celebs is that often what got them to the top, they cannot apply to their relationships.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Scars

scars
scars
4 years ago

Funnily enough I was going through all of my personal FR’s and LR’s and there’s a pattern of me doing much better when I DO show lots of intent. Both verbally and with subcomms. I certainly think there’s been instances already this year where I blew it by not showing enough intent (at least verbally) and lost seemingly very interested girls. Still trying to perfect the balance, personally. Hopefully out again this weekend for a fresh FR to disect, Based on recent feedback from people her on my latest FR, i’ll mainly be thinking about self amusement in order to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Culum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saKbzqbY1kg typical stuff for me. I know you’ve watched a lot of TV… lol In these last few clips he hit son a concept I’ve always thought of… from the beginning, the concept of “your power” and “giving away your power”. This is a very easy rule to follow in all social interactions. Being aware of your power and how it is used. Now power is attention, deference, validation etc. and playing with it involves body language as well as words. Does he have specific videos on this concept or his idea of what “power” is? Works well in… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBpaoB8tshk

Interesting clip. Starts out great… a bit flat in the middle… better at the end.

To me, pace was a bit slow. He could have cut 10 minutes out. But I think a good real world example of what a typical open, vibe, move her, rapport situation looks like. Her reactions are pretty strong. Plus 1 for her tooling the interloper. Minus 1 for quality of the girl.

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

Passing through a town where a girl (29? 30?) I’ve banged 2x lives. I don’t contact her until I’m available to see her. The last time was a few months ago. Staying at friends’ place and would go to her, otherwise don’t bother. Me: Hey [nickname], you should invite me over with a bottle of wine to see me again before I leave town Her: Hello Her: Should I? 🙂 Her: The problem is I won’t be back before evening Me: Mom says you shouldn’t Me: What time? Me: I should leave before midnight Me: Otherwise I may lose my… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@scars
I certainly think there’s been instances already this year where I blew it by not showing enough intent (at least verbally) and lost seemingly very interested girls.

You say not enough intent, I say not moving the interaction forward.

Let’s suppose you’ve shown intent. What next? Just do this.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Inspiration via Style aka Neil Strass (before he went gay) H ey man.” That’s how it always begins. And then he will say, in return, “Hey, man.” And then one of us will say, “I’m tired.” And the other will say, “I don’t feel like going out today.” “Neither do I.” That’s how it always begins—with feet, minds, hearts dragging. That’s never how it ends. “We’ll just go get some food.” “Okay, just something quick. I’m really tired.” “We’ve covered that already.” “And I look like shit.” “I noticed.” “Shut up.” Playful punch to the arm. Pull in to the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

OK, you’re probably thinking, Of course I’d love to build attraction and comfort with a gorgeous woman, but every time I approach one I get shot down before I’ve finished my second or third sentence. Here’s the deal— and it’s one of the most amazing secrets of the Mystery Method because it is so counterintuitive, running contrary to everything you’ve believed about attracting beautiful women your entire life, in order for you to be permitted the audience of a beautiful woman to attempt to attract her, you must first disqualify yourself from being considered a potential suitor by her. If… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“If you’re thinking, Yeah, that worked for you, but it will never work for me; I’m a geek, don’t worry. I was a geek, too. The truth is, generally speaking, geeks are intelligent individuals who simply haven’t yet applied that intelligence to social scenarios; hence, they appear deficient in that area. Making matters worse, the society around us, at first glance, appears very chaotic. But when you look at all other human beings as beautiful, elegant biological machines embedded with sophisticated behavioral systems designed to align with others to maximize their chances for survival and replication, the task of understanding… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“CREATURES OF SENTIMENT Logic and reason can be used to determine a course of action, but often men and women alike are motivated more persuasively by their emotions. Often we simply use our intellects to rationalize those emotional actions after the fact. To women, emotions are much more profound and encompassing than they are even to men. Because a woman’s attraction circuitry is calibrated less to a man’s physical characteristics than to his social, and hence survival, value, her emotions are at the center of her thoughts and actions. In fact, when a woman explains something, she will often use… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“CAT THEORY Why do you suppose we only feel compelled to chase the ones who run away? —”V1COMTE DE VALMONT, Les Liaisons Dangereuses Cats don’t take orders, but they can be tempted to chase. If you tie a feather to the end of a string and use it properly, you can get a cat to perform acrobatics. But isn’t it interesting that if you put the feather down in front of the cat, it will turn up its nose? Cats are always curious, especially about shiny new things such as a ball on a rubber cord, catnip, treats, the feather… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“PROCESS OVER OUTCOME A Venusian artist goes into the field night after night primarily to improve his calibration and to internalize his skill set. You’re not trying to “get this one girl” or even “get laid tonight,” Rather, you practice with the long-term goal of having a powerful social skill set in the future, one you may confidently turn on in times of need, When you don’t need it, you don’t use it. When you do, you’re ready. You cannot allow the outcome of any given approach to carry much significance, at least until you reach the point—usually ten to… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“THE FOUR M3 SEQUENCING MISTAKES

1. Seduction first— to start at the end.
2. Comfort first—to start in the middle.
3. Attraction but no comfort—to start at the beginning but skip
the middle and go straight to the end.
4. Attraction and comfort only—to start at the beginning but get
stuck in the middle. “
The Mystery Method, Page 49

Diagnostic

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Thanks, Sentient, good stuff to know.

WestIndianArchie
4 years ago

Can it be that it was all so simple then?

I see the flaws in the method now, and flaws in the pickup gods of the era, but doesn’t everything have flaws?

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

It’s all balance right Archie? Like music… Infinite variation within an unyielding structure, harmony, melody, scale and yet subject to discordant notes.

The interplay of The Why and The How. Some playing harps, some kazoos… Each can make the right note at the right time…

Mystery was more concerned with making the right notes the most times, calling the tune.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciFTP_KRy4

Mystery enters… Stage right.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xYHJRhRym1U

On the page… It looked… Simple.

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

@Archie
I see the flaws in the method now

Do you have a blog post on it? Interested to read your take on it.

scars
scars
4 years ago

Was Yareally from the UK? Someone recently told me they thought that yareally was ‘Cieran’ – A brit who used to write for RSD? I don’t think it’s the case, personally. Cieran apparently was first to popularise the ‘shock and awe’ and ‘the apocolypse opener’ stuff. Apparently he had staggering success with his direct/sexual style of cold approach game. When yareally posted examples of his own game, it did sometimes come across as very direct/sexual, although I still don’t think they are the same person. Anyway, I’m probably out with my damn male model friend tonight! Usually an intereting night… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

Re: flaws with MM “A problem with the Mystery Method, a PUA may wait until after the arousal window is closed, because their focus is “building attraction” first which may take a long time or never happen. If you are one of those guys who believe attraction has to be built first, then by default you’re not convinced women are attracted to confident men who arouse them with physical escalation. Most guys play safe by waiting for ‘ioi’s before escalating or even approaching, meanwhile the arousal window closes with every passing minute. You automatically create positive ‘ioi’s or negative reactions… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

Teevster’s Journey: https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/general/14675-the-key-masf-archives-to-read/page2 “If you ever though we all were born with pu skills you are wrong. Its a process – trying different things until you eventually discover what works and what doesn’t. Occasionally some people such as 60 invent their own game inspired by some other players (it is no secret that gunwitch was an inspriation to 60). All the successful seducers out there have tried out different things – they have been curious and they experimented a lot. That is why i dont really understand the new mentality in pick up and seduction where new guys are so… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

Motivation:

theasdgamer
4 years ago

We’re taught in the pick-up community first you generate attraction, second build comfort, last seduce, however, this is only good for committed long term relationships.

This guys is a joke…he’s just trying to demean MM which is still tried and true. MM is primarily for pickups, not for LRTs.

J, why are you posting this trash?

WestIndianArchie
4 years ago

@IRL

I haven’t written something like that but I should.

As for this pickup daily guy? His critiques seem very rooted in a specific environment.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Disclaimer: I’m a while guy in a homogeneous realm. No racial undertones are at play here. Masculine recognizes masculine. He was skeptical. Like all wise dudes are. But guess what when SJF steps up to the plate for 14 innings? He may win or lose but at least he was A Man In The Arena. Hell Yeah. The one where I talked to a 50 year old black guy instead of spend time after I opened a two set of young girls. I gotta stop having so many peak experiences. Shit, I may become a dopamine addict. Wait, maybe I… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

“His critiques seem very rooted in a specific environment.” Yeah 2nd half of the night in nightclubs. Which is where all my lays come from (I don’t daygame or online game). Mystery Method isn’t what I’m running in this specific environment http://www.pualingo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/M3-Model1.jpg See according to this chart in a nightclub, I’m running S1 simultaneously with A1 to get A2 which moves me to C2 because when I’m talking to the girl in a nightclub, it’s not getting to know her shit. It’s figuring out logistics and self amusing to spike her emotions. I will ask rapport seeking questions, but its… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Too much comfort is counter productive to setting a solid fuckbuddy frame. You also appear more mysterious to her if you don’t reveal too much about yourself in the initial interaction. which makes her curious about who this seemingly complex bad boy she slept with in less than an hour is. Sure, too much comfort kills the attraction, but if you switch up comfort with attraction, you spike her emotions even higher and are even more mysterious. She’s wondering, “Is he a player or a lover?” But you have to be aware that this is the game plan. It’s also… Read more »

scars
scars
4 years ago

Nothing to to write in terms of my FR unfortunately, because I ended up going too a hotel room fairly early in the night after bumping into the same Czech girl who I banged in one of my prior FR’s (The girl I stole from my male model friend) Funny actually, because I was out with him last night, so it was a bit weird bumping into her. They started talking and I was thinking ”Ah-ha! She’s gonna spend all night trying to finish what she started last time before he bailed on her and try to bang him!” but… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

bitchy vibe

Bitch shields are shit tests begging to be passed. The hottest girls have bitch shields. Also those girls who THINK they are the hottest. Open with a neg.

I was negging my sister today about her toenail polish and she was lol’ing. Complimenting her on her beach vacation while asking her if she went there to get her nails done. A lol followed. She said she had them done back home by a professional. I said, “Oh, my.” She lol’ed.

Don’t be afraid to neg female relatives for practice. They are choice practice targets.

j
j
4 years ago

“Is he a player or a lover?”

what’s the difference

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Player = thrill her enough to bang.

Lover = thrill her. Period.

😁

j
j
4 years ago

“The thing is I noticed in the community all you need to establish yourself as a legit authority and a good seducer is a high lay count. That’s the golden question. And I am not even talking about the obvious KJs who are trying to establish themselves as a guru. No this is not about that, although that’s another big problem. So you will have these successful guys running around dishing out shit advice – when in fact we are not even playing by the same rules. […] when you say ‘most of this stuff wouldn’t get anyone laid today’… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J You sell Mystery short though. All successful seductions go through the stages… The only “practical” change to it is the speed. And even that is subject to scrutiny, as Mystery was about having the skills to a) choose not be chosen. That girl, there, now. and b) consistency. You know that a longer good interaction is better than a short good one, so the seven hours thing should be taken in context. Also note he accommodates fast escalation and SNLs if you’ve ticked the boxes. It’s just that over the long haul on average in keeping with a) and… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@sentient

7 hour rule

4:20 – 5:10

j
j
4 years ago

@sentient “Not golden hour cavemanning, not IOI hunting, not bailing on mixed sets, not flashing an eightball” what’s cavemanning? I steal girls from chodes on the dancefloor when I’m in state (first thing I do when I enter a bar is short set method – opening guys and girls). And I don’t look for IOIs cause I don’t get many approach invites, cause I have any of the things that lower resistance chad mentions in the nextasf post, except “Developed Unconscious attractive behaviors” (only way for her to figure that out is by interacting with me) (unless you consider being… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J most of these things… These other guys. Same as me flipping on a light switch and thinking I’m Edison. Everyone is a giant standing on another’s shoulders. The names change but the concepts remain etc. Accelerated when for profit model depends on it. Etc.

WestIndianArchie
4 years ago

@j

It’s nice to see non RSD videos where the guys are competent.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I could have banged her no problem if I wasn’t married” it’s like no bro lol, there is still a lot of shit that can go wrong after getting them out of the club. Everybody who goes out knows this. Of course things can go wrong. (I could write a book about my lay fails, lol.) Most guys can’t even get A2 from girls I wouldn’t bang. I know what “lit up” is. HB8’s are generally more subtle when they’re lit up. They will be chatty and upqualify you and moon when they’re with you. Ok, field report. I was… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago

My main takeaways from MM: Compliance testing. A great diagnostic tool to see where you are in the interaction. Also it happens to make the girl invest more if she complies (keep it such that you both can win though). The whole IOD-DHV-IOI loop is gold. Balance the interaction, e.g. the graph below: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tz7VHbVPc0o/U_Tb3VGMXGI/AAAAAAAAAXM/3vmuCGrWpkQ/s1600/C1.bmp Attraction (and sexualization for that matter, as j pointed out) pushes in one direction, comfort is there to keep the balance and pull in the opposite direction… if required. Depends on the environment, context, girl’s mindset and needs. Leave room for vacuum (although I think Juggler… Read more »

IRL
IRL
4 years ago


Of course things can go wrong.

That’s not the whole story. Spiking in innocent situs with plausible deniability is one thing for girls, and having them begging for your cock is another.

Try to “feel their cunts” and you’ll see how many of them are really down. Also how your wiring works and how you (re)act in real time. Obstacles and logistic aside (but of course a big topic).

Don’t mind if you’re in for light flirting (only) and want to post about it. Just be mindful when extrapolating.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

IRL J Dat patent yo! lol Chess not checkers… Sequencing Mistake #1 Fool’s Mate In the game of chess, it is possible to win in only four moves. This gambit is called fool’s mate. Winning with speed via fool’s mate does not, however, make you a chess champion. If anything, it only demonstrates your opponent’s inexperience. An experienced chess player will not even attempt a fast fool’s mate because if his opponent doesn’t take the bait, he himself is left vulnerable. Similarly, while it is possible to seduce with speed, it is much less probable on a woman who is… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Chris Wade Basically both of our game is as follows: Trolling -> calibrating -> comfort -> positive/negative emotions-> pulling. http://socialprimedating.com/index.php/2017/06/11/fucking-former-super-model/ See the similarities? Trolling, i.e. neg? Calibrating – hoops, compliance testing etc. Comfort – there it is – spiking emotions, Pulling… etc etc. Always calibrate when trolling, that´s the art, to know when she needs more troll and when she needs less and more of comfort. I never kiss in the club, it´s boring and not fun anymore, read Chris article on kissing for a more detailed explanation why. similar… -Hey, are you Chinese.” ”Chinese? That was a bad pick… Read more »

j
j
4 years ago

@sentient “In contrast, both chess champions and Venusian artists prefer to play a solid game.” once again see video I linked April 1, 2018 at 5:36 pm from 5:10 – 6:05. That’s Jon Sinn talking in the video by the way, Mystery’s former protégé. “Neil Strauss’s book “The Game” indicates that Tyler and Papa stayed in their rooms making websites, and rarely got dates. Mystery himself got 12 per year. https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-22635.htm. Krauser and Paul Janka got around 20, using systems for streamlined approaches and logistics.” https://pancakemouse.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/jmulv-has-the-best-advice-in-game-right-now/#comment-107 12 per year? lol. I’m almost there and it’s just April. And for some… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

J Putting aside obvious conflicts of former students now competing financially… Recall Tyler and Todd came from Project Hollywood… Jeffy at the tail end I believe? yareally himself lists MM as his #1 go to… https://therationalmale.com/2016/02/10/the-red-pill-monthly/#comment-140381 But the oldschool Mystery Method is still 100% as solid as it was back in the day. YaReally https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/wayne-elise-pacing-and-conversational-context/#comment-351264 Other methods get results in lots of environments and circumstances but when you’re talking high-end girls in high-end enviros who are surrounded by high-end guys and social circles, MMs group theory, social proof, merging sets forward, etc is prime. YaReally https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/05/20/an-alpha-daddys-letter-to-his-little-girl-about-her-future-husband/#comment-441329 so I expect to… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” 12 per year? lol. I’m almost there and it’s just April. And for some reason, every year my lay count jumps during the summer, so I expect to 3x mystery’s average with my fool’s mate method this year lol” Lol. A young man going out with intent and game had better be at least banging 4 different chicks a month. Those aren’t unrealistic numbers. That’s get ya close to 50 a year, not counting the odd stragglers hither and yon. And if a young man truly understands game and has internalized it, he will band more than 4 chicks… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

… ok, I’m going back to field report lurk mode.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

Blax

Lol, yeah whatever. There are absolutely ZERO high end girls. That’s pua nonsense pedestalizing right there. High end environments…high end guys….

The terms may vary… the reality remains though. There are very different clientele and circumstances in different environments. Different environments require different tactics.

Top fuel dragster will not get you to Dakar from Paris.

j
j
4 years ago

@blax

lol I only game on weekends. I don’t go out 300+ nights a year and still bang drunk 6s

https://twitter.com/GoldmundUnleash/status/980285399535882241

in my immediate enviornment (gym, grocery stores, restuarants, bars etc.) there aren’t 8s walking around during the day. I don’t really get excited about girls below 8. when I get rich, I’ll move to a better location or relocate to take advantage of geoarbitrage. Lots to think about.

j
j
4 years ago

…and I get those ‘high end girls’ attention via preselection. So yeah I still use some mystery method concepts in the field. but like some of his shit, like the 3 second rule is bullshit. Gunwitch on the 3 second rule: “As long as you don’t stare and make a woman uncomfortable and don’t freeze up and get inside your own head and refuse to approach, there’s no validity to this. This was purely mystery’s own experience saying “if I don’t approach within 3 seconds, I get nervous then the girls think i’m creepy. And now we have a stupid… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Spiking in innocent situs with plausible deniability is one thing for girls, and having them begging for your cock is another. Lesseee…back when I had just found the manosphere I asked a couple of girls to go to my truck…the HB8 25 y.o. went, but the married 60 y.o. didn’t…the 25 y.o. was trying to talk me into sex…i.e., she was begging for my cock…the 60 y.o. was chasing me for a couple of years and we went down into the basement of a dance studio to practice dancing…she was very frivolous and giggly and obviously had no intention of… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Lol, yeah whatever. There are absolutely ZERO high end girls.

Gamer Maxim: “Pussy is just pussy.”

To be sure, HB8+s are more subtle about IOIs and shit testing than other girls.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

3 second rule is bullshit.

What was the purpose of that rule? Oh, yeah, it was a mechanism to get past approach anxiety. Still useful for some guys. Me, I don’t need it because I never ever ever have approach anxiety.

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