Transactional vs. Validational Sex

You cannot negotiate genuine desire.

This is one of my best known quotes because it resonates with so many men. There was a time in the early 2000s when I was doing peer counseling for men – most of whom were at least a decade my senior – as part of my undergraduate study and one consistent theme I got from almost all of them was how their marriages (or LTRs) had been so much more sexually satisfying when they were dating their wives or before they’d committed to some kind of exclusivity. That’s always the crux of it for guys. They mistakenly believed that the hot monkey sex they were having with their women prior to “doing the right thing” and getting married or committed was something that would be characteristic of their quality woman into a long term relationship with them.

Why was this the case for guys? I can remember coming up with this quote as part of the advice I was giving while working for one of these men. He, like many of the other guys, had gotten to the point that he would do almost anything to get back to that real desire that convinced him to commit to his wife in the first place. And, like many of these guys, he’d convinced his wife to go to marriage counseling in order to find out what exactly it was that he needed to do to “get her to come around” to wanting to bang him. Nothing was working for him. Even after his sessions he was still either sexless or his wife only begrudgingly would have lackluster ‘starfish’ sex with him. We called that a ‘grudge fuck’ back then.

As a student of behavioral psychology my interest was (still is) in what motivates or incentivizes behavior in people (sometimes animals). What was it that inspires genuine desire as opposed to behavior that still has a purpose, but was more motivated by future outcome. You can make a case that genuine desire is also motivated by a perceived outcome, but in this instance I’m making a distinction between a natural, unsolicited desire as opposed to an incentive based on a preconceived outcome – if all goes according to plan.

This guy broke down in tears with me on at least two occasions. He just couldn’t understand why what was supposed to work (open communication, rational discourse and honest negotiation) wasn’t getting her to “come around” to having sex with him. It was then I thought, you cannot negotiate genuine desire. Either a woman wants  to fuck you or she doesn’t. There are definitely ways to prompt that genuine desire – most of which are behavioral and conditional – but as has been stated many times in the ‘sphere, attraction is not a choice. The key word there is choice. Few men would ‘choose’ to be attracted by an obese woman and in many ways this choice dynamic is why women promoting the ‘body acceptance’ narrative have a tough time of it. For all the nonsense about beauty being a social construct, arousal for men is very much rooted in evolved biology. Men can’t choose to get an erection for a woman they’re simply not aroused by.

The same holds true for women, but the conditions are different. Women can and do have sex for reasons other than genuine desire. Negotiated desire really isn’t desire at all, but women have readily used sexual access to achieve those perceived outcomes I mentioned above here. Negotiated desire only ever leads to obligated compliance. A talented hooker or stripper may be very convincing in her act that she’s really into having sex with a man, but the negotiation that takes place before the act can never make a woman want to have sex with her client. Attraction is not a choice, but really, arousal is not a choice either.

Hormonal

I am presently about half way through my read of Dr. Martie Haselton’s new book Hormonal. I was really anticipating this book’s release, and I had intended to do my first-ever book review of it here, but as I read through I’ve decided not to. I still highly recommend reading it. As you might guess it’s chock full of stats and research confirmation of so much of what I write here that I want to put it at the top of the required Rational Male reading list. I’ve been referencing Dr. Haselton’s (and her colleagues) work since I began this blog, but the delivery of the information was disappointing, and in a lot of instances, very immature and sophomoric. It’s written almost as an apologetic to feminists for having to kill a lot of sacred feminist social convention cows. I feel as if she’s writing ‘down’ to the women who she’ll inevitably market this book to, but, if you can get past her constant attempts to legitimize her feminist credentials, the information is absolute gold.

One aspect of female sexual dynamics that Haselton and her team detail quite a bit is the idea of an Estrus state in human females. I’m not sure how well appreciated this research is in the manosphere, which is one reason I included it in Positive Masculinity, but this concept is really integral to how we define Hypergamy. As most of my readers know, Hypergamy – women’s dualistic sexual strategy (and really life strategy) – is much more than a tendency of a woman to ‘marry up’. In Hormonal the ideas of Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks really solidify with the research.

However, as useful as it is as a catchy euphemism Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks could better be described as Alpha Seed and Beta Need. In a woman’s peak ovulatory phase of her menstrual cycle she enters an estrus state and becomes subject to behaviors that can only be defined as a pretext of seeking Alpha seed. In other words, nature and Hypergamy are very practical in maximizing the chances that a woman may get pregnant with the best available genetic specimen. Granted, the true outcome of all of that is subject to environment and a woman’s personal conditions, but the practicality of it remains the same as it has for 100,000 years. It’s also important to keep in mind that a woman’s behaviors, strategies, rationales and her own interpretation of all of them in those various times and conditions are also a part of the overall latent purpose of a woman consolidating on the best Alpha Seed and Beta to supply her needs.

While women are subject to an estrus state they still require the second half of Hypergamy – the Beta need for security, provisioning, protection, comfort and at least the sharing of parental investment responsibilities for any offspring. Estrus in women is concealed, meaning it is (or used to be) nearly, but not totally undetectable in women. There are in fact various ways men evolved to intuitively determine whether a woman is in an estrus state of fertility; most of these today are socially shamed in men so as to further confuse them and advantage women, but that’s a topic for another essay. A concealed estrus aids women in optimizing both Alpha Seed and Beta Need and it’s likely that much of what accounts for women’s sexual strategy is the result of this concealment.

Now, a lot has been written by myself and others about the impact of meeting a woman’s Beta Need aspect of Hypergamy being served by the state and/or direct or indirect transfers of resources from men to women. Most of my readers are well aware of how this side of Hypergamy has been progressively accommodated for over the past fifty years. In spite of this it’s important to remember that this accommodation of provisioning needs doesn’t eliminate the deeper needs that this side of Hypergamy engenders in women. It may be true that women have never been better provided for in history as far as money and opportunities go, but women still look for emotional security, protection, dominance and comfort in men as part of their innate mental firmware.

As a result of Hypergamy and this concealed estrus state women have been put into a condition of evaluating sex in different aspects today.

Validational Sex

When women look for that Alpha Seed in their peak ovulatory (proliferative) phase, the sex they seek is a desired sex with a man who meets evolutionary criteria. He’s the ‘hawt’ guy, or the man who leaves a woman with an perception of danger or excitement. A lot of men who don’t meet this criteria have a tendency to over-exaggerate this type of man as the ‘Alpha Chad’ and make a ridiculous parody of him as an ego protection mechanism for themselves. Let me state for the record here that every aspect and adjective that this type of guy embodies is mitigated by conditions and contexts. It is just as likely that this conventionally masculine dominant guy is only so according to his most immediate social situation. So spare me the “Chad Thundercock” anxieties.

The sex that women give “enthusiastic consent” for is validational for them. The easy assessment here is that women have a genuine desire to mate with conventionally masculine men who look and act the part – yes, behavioral congruency is vital. If you follow the research women consciously and unconsciously will actively put themselves into environments where the likelihood of their meeting a dominant masculine man who most closely matched that masculine ideal when they are in estrus. They openly and discreetly look of arousal cue from men who best embody what can only be described as Alpha Seed.

I should also add that women in “satisfying relationships” (meaning LTRs where a woman is still very hot for her husband/boyfriend) report an increase in sexual desire (proceptivity) for that guy during this phase. A lot of guys mistakenly think ANY woman will want to seek out extra-pair mating (cheating) opportunities when they’re in estrus. This is only true if a woman isn’t into her current man.

I don’t want to get too lost in the descriptions here. Rather, I want to focus on the associative feelings women get in and after having sex with that Alpha man during estrus. I would argue that Alpha Widows are made in the estrus phase. This is the sex women want to have and are enthusiastic in both the hunt and the act itself. This is largely (presumedly) the sex that men have with their wives-to-be before they marry. It’s this validational sex, the sex that women fantasize about, that men and women want to get back to once they are committed to each other monogamously but now have a dead bedroom. This sex validates a woman’s ego in that it proves to herself that a man of this SMV caliber would want to pin her to the bed and have marathon sex with her. Remember, the latent purpose of this sex, on this side of Hypergamy, is to access the sperm from men with high reproductive value as defined by what our evolved nature predisposes women to be aroused by. Validational sex is sex by choice and genuine desire, and is satisfying on both a psychological level and an evolutionary level.

Transactional Sex

One of the benefits of a concealed estrus is that it allows women a few luxuries. One of these was the ability to confuse men of their paternity. Today this confusion is little more difficult because we’ve got DNA figured out well enough to make accurate assessments, but in our evolutionary past it was important to trick cuckolded fathers into second guessing whether a child was his or not before he killed it and impregnated a woman on his own (this is also why men evolved mate guarding behaviors).

The other advantage of concealed estrus was essentially prostitution. Now, to pretty this up a bit, lets say that women who were sexual with men outside of their fertility window found that sex could be leveraged with non-Alpha men (men they didn’t want to have children with) to encourage them to help with a lot of the chores more Alpha men were less willing (but not entirely unwilling) to do. Enter transactional sex.

As mentioned, the most overt form of transactional sex is prostitution, but it’s impolite to call every woman a whore. In fact it’s impolite to even imply a woman may be having sex for other reasons than validational sex. Today women are contemplating whether or not transactional sex is itself rape since it technically meets the definition of rape (sex women don’t want to have). I discussed this “grey area sex” recently in another essay, but it’s interesting to see women wrestle with transactional sex in an era where the Future is Female and women ought to only have the (validational) sex they want to enthusiastically have.

For most men (i.e the 80% Beta men) transactional sex is where the rubber meets the road. In fact, I’d argue that for most Beta men transactional sex is the only definition of sex they ever really know. That’s kind of sad to think about, but most men never really experience the unfettered feral lust of a woman they’ve chosen to spend the rest of their lives with. I got into this in Saving the Best and Hats Off to the Bull, but I think it’s important for the average man today to acknowledge that it’s highly likely that their wives have shared parts of themselves with, and have lost all inhibitions with, men in their sexual pasts they may never know anything about. That’s a cold bucket of reality a lot of men who unplug from all this have to confront.

Marriage today is almost entirely predicated on on the transactional sex side of Hypergamy. I’m not saying it has to be, nor am I saying it always is, but I’m fairly comfortable in speculating that for most married women sex is reward she uses in the operant conditioning of her husband. And the very fact that this is effective with most husbands throws the power dynamic and Frame of the relationship firmly over to the wife. This has the effect of disqualifying that man from ever (or very rarely) being a candidate for validational sex within that marriage. And this too is another aspect of the transactional sex dynamic that modern feminists are contemplating today – if a woman doesn’t want to have sex with her husband, but does anyway, is it rape? But again, NAMALT, not all marriages are like this or have to be like this. I would also argue that a confident man whom a woman admires, who she recognizes as being above her SMV even if slightly and who has internalized Red Pill awareness within that marriage needn’t be doomed to transactional “duty” sex in his marriage.

Unnegotiated Desire

And so now we come full circle to the men I was counseling back in the day. Because all they’d ever known was transactional sex their deductive male brains attempted to solve their “sex problem” in the most logistical and pragmatic way – negotiate with her. If all sex ever is for a guy is a transaction – a quid pro quo – then it follows he’ll try to find the best way to ‘pay’ for his wife’s sexual access. Hunter Drew and I were recently discussing a man who Dean Abbot has been counseling and one thing we’ve all seen a lot of from young and old Blue Pill Beta men is this logical tendency for them to want to ‘sacrifice their way to happiness with their wives’. It’s as if the more they sacrifice the more they pay for that intimacy they seek, but what they never get is that this only buries their sex lives that much more.

One amazing turn around a lot of married and single Red Pill guys experience when they unplug is the attention they receive from women when they switch from a transactional disposition to a validational disposition with regard to sex. When a man unplugs and cuts himself away from his Blue Pill conditioning one change he makes is a shift from viewing sex as transactional to validational. In the beginning, when men are first learning Game and becoming more Red Pill aware about the nature of women they really don’t recognize this shift in attitude towards sex. When I say men need to make themselves the “prize” with regards to sex and their attention what happens is they go from the “how can I pay for sex to qualify for it with a woman” to “women will recognize that I represent and opportunity for validational sex”.

The Blue Pill conditions men to base their understanding of sex on a transactional paradigm. It’s all scarcity, and luck or providence that a woman might want to fuck them. This is why women get aggravated by the presumption that men might feel they are ‘owed sex‘ in exchange for what they do for them. And why wouldn’t men feel that way? They’ve been conditioned for half a life to believe that they should follow the old social contract and become a man with a lot to offer a woman, a wife. This is the transactional paradigm; I build my life to better accommodate a woman and she reciprocates with sex. Women know this too, so all pretenses of indignation about are complete bullshit. What upsets women is that a Beta man would feel entitled to her sexuality for having accommodated her. Alpha men are entitled to it, accommodations be damned, because he’s the man they want to have sex with.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

589 comments on “Transactional vs. Validational Sex

  1. @Yollo

    Word.

    Re: controlling women

    Though Validation and Transactional sex are clear concepts, and Rollo made them so, making hay from that is much harder because women and sex and the environment we live in aren’t algorithms as much as we’d like to think. RP manages complex intersexual dynamics (notice TRM isn’t subtitled intersexual statics) and is best understood and practiced wholly vs. algorithmically. We’re not controlling women per se, just managing them better.

    “One complex system that most people have dealt with is a child. If so, you’ve probably experienced that when you give the child an instruction, you can’t be certain what the response will be, especially if the child is a teenager. And similarly, you can’t be sure that an identical interaction on another day won’t have a spectacularly different outcome.

    So, if you have a teenager or if you invest in the stock market, you know that a complex system cannot be controlled. It can only be managed. Because its behavior cannot be predicted, it can only be observed and responded to. An important feature of complex systems is that we don’t know how they work. We don’t understand them. We just interact with them. Whenever we think we understand them, we learn we don’t.”

  2. @EhIntellect

    “So, if you have a teenager or if you invest in the stock market, you know that a complex system cannot be controlled. It can only be managed. “

    Have you read any of the Nassim Nicholas Taleb books? I suspect so, but if not, you might enjoy them. To your point, he addresses how to deal with the randomness in daily life that we don’t understand. It’s particularly relevant for risk management with stock market investing (or trading).

    I’ve come to think about women the same way. They are too complex to predict, but Red Pill awareness acts as a form of risk management. I don’t know what will happen next with any of my plates. But I don’t have to know. I apply the RP principles to put myself in the best position possible for good things to happen to me, and limit the potential downside. Then, come what may, I can handle it with ease. I’m not attached to any one outcome and that is enough to give me an advantage.

    Rollo’s post this week is particularly helpful. For some of the women I’ve been with, it was clearly desire sex for them. For others (particularly LTRs), it deteriorated into transactional “duty” sex. Now I can see the importance of drawing the distinction for myself, and pulling the plug on the latter immediately.

  3. @ status

    No I haven’t, I’m not well read, trying to be better read so thank you and enjoy your weekend too.

  4. 20 year marriage – told wifey that rare ‘duty sex’ wouldn’t cut it. Asked her can you do better, or do I need a girlfriend?

    She told me I couldn’t get a girlfriend – in other words ‘I don’t need to treat you any better bc you can’t do better’

    Well, it’s costing me a house, but it’s a bargain. Girlfriend is pissed that I’ll never marry again, tough shit, marriage cuts your options – if she plays up you can’t just walk. If I was a conspiracy theory guy I’d think it was to put me under her thumb.

    I’d have found my balls in the end, but you helped me get there sooner Rollo, can’t thank you enough for that.

  5. Whisky with a twist? Rollo I know you’re in the spirits’ business so I think you’ve seen this.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qmoBb7wNq6Y

    This deserves a post on its own. Johnny Walker scotch panders to feminists and alienates its core consumers by introducing Jane Walker Scotch and of course no one is happy. Women’s groups feel it panders while men who drink it think wtf?

    Women I know who drink whisky do so because it’s a mans drink. Making it a feminist drink suddenly means equality making it no longer appealing.

    What’s next? Rebranding “cocktails” to “cuntails”?

  6. @Sentient it’s the James Bond You Only Live Twice poster…

    @Rugby. Nooooo. We talked about this. One post per page, no more videos or links please…seriously be considerate with the feed. We can’t read comments with you jamming 10 videos per comment.

  7. To the brother running day game on bitches at the chocolate ice cream store whatever: be careful with direct blunt dread. I think Rollo adressed this too. You think she is turned on while more likely she get offended and takes revenge; covertly pick fuka boy on facebk and is now pulling the “shameless-girl-who-was-flirting-with- you while she is still leaking cum from the facebk guy. Please apply dread with tact. Girls want to operate from guesswork.

  8. Just Getting It
    March 9, 2018 at 7:06 pm

    You have to keep pulling. To remind them. Generally a woman you are dating will notice another woman’s IOIs faster than you will. If she pretends not to notice – remind her.

  9. cheupez
    March 10, 2018 at 12:04 am

    And if it takes sledgehammer dread to excite her? You have to calibrate it to the woman. And they are all different.

    If you come across an “I like to watch” type it will require as much dread as you can muster.

  10. Rollo

    Lol. That’s the first time I’ve been able to actually listen to Jesse Peterson in years. Good interview material and it will hit the correct target audience for sure.

  11. “Johnny Walker did what?!!”

    Shut down all operations in Kilmarnock, just to make sure people understand that the brand has nothing to do with tradition anymore.

  12. To bookend the Johnny Walker story, Jon Favreau has been announced to be producing and directing a new Star Wars series.

    Feminists loose their minds that the announcement was made on International Women’s Day.

  13. “https://theamericanscholar.org/solitude-and-leadership/#.WqPWL0yIahB
    Forwarded to a senior officer overseas still in the trenches; he sends thanks & is passing it on to the officers in his command.

    If he is really a senior officer, I doubt he will be passing it on.
    The article is dated, and Petraeus is no longer an example to emulate.
    I’m sure many armchair generals (who obtain their information from the media and nowhere else) believe they know the reason why, but the main reason is…although he was indeed a rare independent thinker (can’t say he’s a rare intellectual, most people would be surprised at the level of intellectual acumen in our military leadership…nor are genius level IQs anomalous, they are essentially the standard), he was also enamored with prestige and entitlement.

    This started way back (more irony, as this is the venue of the speech) when he was a cadet at West Point and lasted throughout his career.

  14. It’s almost always transactional for her though – at least initially. She gets the validation at the point she’s certain you intend to fuck her. Her actually going through with sex has a lot more to do with comfort (aka sensing you won’t be crazy/possessive after) and derived benefit (transactional, aka maybe i can get this guy to be a part of my life).

    There are certainly exceptions – sluts seeking tinder bangs (waning trend), girls fucking dudes way above their SMV, and fly by night/travel hookups – but even that you could frame as transactional.

    The best way to inspire her to actually fuck in the moment is acceptance, indifference, and pleasantly threatening to leave, which you have to stick by. And the best way to be truly accepting of her hesitation to fuck and indifferent towards the possibility of not fucking her – is to know there’s an escort or booty call just a text/call away.

    My point is that there’s almost something ‘in it’ for her beyond the validation – and if she’s just doing it for the validation, she’s probably WAY lower SMV than you, and who wants that.

  15. Oh one other thing –

    While animalistic “validational” sex is somewhat more enjoyable than “transactional” sex with all things being equal, I prefer “transactional” sex with a new woman to “validational” sex with a woman I’ve already been banging for a while. By a mile. I just read a whole lotta comments along the lines of “I only have validational sex and wouldn’t settle for less” – and good for you, but then ask yourself who’s frame you’re in if you need to view it as having been validational. There is a game term for that – outcome dependence. I say go for what you want, and in the end who really cares how it was in the moment for her. Giving a shit about that is insane (beyond not breaking any laws lol).

  16. For all the wonderful lurkers reading along ( we lurv y’all😀😀),

    ” validational sex ” isn’t about you as a man being validated as such. It’s not in the woman’s frame either because a strong masculine frame is initiative of validation sexual activity.

    Let’s not get it all twisted out of shape, it’s very simple. Desire can’t be negotiated, true? It is either there ( because you turn that spark into a virtually uncontrollable flame ) or it isn’t, and sometimes a woman will go forward banging you halfheartedly with other expectations of you.

    Butnshe ain’t into you.

    Transactional sex is peachy, as long as the man is able to recognise it for what it is. I think lots of guys have transactional sex thinking they are having validational sex, that the woman is burning with desire for them, so much so that she is paralyzed into a starfish position.

    It’s outcome independent because you are the fulcrum of the outcome. If sex is only ever about putting a penis in a vagina, by any means necessary, I don’t see the masculine value in that unless you are a pillaging Viking. In 2018 pillagers are being harshly dealt with.

    Yes means yes? How about she seeks you out and tears off her clothes? How about she cums three times before you do, and she makes you a tasty sandwich afterwards? How about her flake count = 0?

    Gentlemen there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. The ultimate is when the cat brings you the knives and lays down in front of you.

  17. Joe K
    March 10, 2018 at 8:28 am

    you need to view it as having been validational.

    It is not a matter of view. It is a matter of experience.

    Would you rather have sex with a girl who is thinking, “do I have to?” Or one who is thinking “”I can’t wait. This is so HOT.”

  18. I would say validational sex has itz place and transactional sex has its place too. If a woman wants to screw you just for the screw but you dont want any strings attached, adapt a negotiation stance and that should kill it pretty fast. Have you ever scrwed a woman and have her ass quivering like a vibrator then she starts with the endless line of lover texts the next day that you are not so eager to respond to? Sometimes the reason you pay the woman is so she can leave you alone. By the way, the moment a woman realises you are giving her some money and you are not so eager with the kissing and shit, she will usually get it and get.

  19. “I need to be able to say painful stuff that’s going to piss you off, — that’s going to kick you in the ass.”

    Thanks for not selling out to profit, Rollo.

  20. Awesome. Brilliant Rollo/Carlos/Scott//Donovan/Anthony broadcast.
    Each bears a unique perspective and strength. When get these together it’s the blast-furnace at the core of steel. It is the way forward.

  21. cheupez
    March 10, 2018 at 11:57 am

    Transactional sex. – she is buying you.
    Validational sex – you own her (at least until her period passes)

  22. Women always let me fuck them bareback. Even the few pros I’ve done. I often don’t realize just how different things are for alpha dogs, he he. But then again, I fuck them stupid…Again, something many guys here probably rarely if ever see. That dazed, cock-crazed state women can get in, their eyes roll back in their heads, and they are just kind of feral. Every woman wants to go there, they all have that gear. Many are dying to do so.

    HB9 is gone. I milked that plate, holy cow, 2 years and a bit. She set a high standard what with the natural 28e tits and nymphomania and a compromised gag reflex…Sigh. All that stuff aside, I really cared for her. We had a lot of nice simple times together, cooking, walking the dog. I’ve been eating super clean, only grass fed, non gmo, non antibiotic, pasture raised, real organic – the whole shebang. Really restricted to healthy, metabolically sound foods. Dr. Gundry’s Plant Paradox, read it. Changed my life. She and I did a lot of stuff around food, it was a cool, simple and sweet relationship. Like having a personal porn star around, sigh…Damn, it’s good to be a gangsta. I’m working on a 20yo, she mentioned sugar though. I may do it, we’ll see. I am gonna be 56 and I have to admit, the age is catching up with me a bit. He he. I’ll run it into the ground, then settle with some rich woman in poor health “who I can have a conversation with”.

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV46zFOtsLk&w=560&h=315%5D

  23. Had the displeasure of watching this episode of Better Things… Wirh the repulsive Pam Adlon and co created with the vile Louis CK.

    http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/better-things-recap-season-1-episode-10.html

    I stuck in as an anthropologist. Rollo should do a breakdown of this episode. It shows the heros women are daily, as the confront all manner of difficulties. Especially the single mom. Such as feeding their kids, taking them to school, going on vacation…

    It’s got it all. Trangenderism, staying on the phone so your BF can masturbate from a safe distance…

    It does an unintentionally good job of showing how a generation of needy, selfish, spoiled, lazy cunts are desrroying millenia of civilization. One bottle of white wine at a time.

    The Adlon creature is especially repulsive if you’ve run into her legions of divorced moms. Ratty, unkempt and full of her self.

  24. @ scribblerg

    “Women always let me fuck them bareback…”

    Same, same. It’s always amazed how in this day and age of “safe seX” blah blah blah, hot bitches on the whole (there have been, as there will always be, exceptions) over the past 20+ years have never asked me to roll one on. Nothing is a greater passion killer than a chick who insists on a condom. It is also a great indicator of how much they really want to fuck you, for sure. Especially when they let you cum inside them…

    Girls can be very dirty bitchez when they have Alpha cock in their midst…

  25. @ scribblerg pt 2

    “Women always let me fuck them bareback. Even the few pros I’ve done. I often don’t realize just how different things are for alpha dogs, he he. But then again, I fuck them stupid…Again, something many guys here probably rarely if ever see. That dazed, cock-crazed state women can get in, their eyes roll back in their heads, and they are just kind of feral. Every woman wants to go there, they all have that gear. Many are dying to do so…”

    You’ve hit the nail on the head, my man! The Serpent’s eyes would just roll back when she would look at me over her shoulder whilst i was doing her anally in doggy, and push back hard into me. Man, that was something else. Also when deep-throating, looking me in the eye with spit drooling off her chin. Once she even fucked me late in her period, then went down on me and sucked all that bloodiness off my cock. That was almost too much, but i doubt that it will ever happen again with anyone else, though you never know…. I hope all you gentlemen out there in Red Pill land get to experience these things & more with hot, willing women. Making it last though (relationship wise), is another thing…

    Just take it while it’s offered, gloves off and no holds (holes) barred, and turn them into your own little porn sluts. It’s what they desperately want, and you will know when they do. If you don’t, then swallow that Red Pill harder…;-)

  26. @cheupez

    You have arrived, now as you turn transactional sex int validational sex, then back again. With a new twist on 50 ways to leave your lover, at least two ways to get her to leave you alone after.
    Hat tip.

  27. https://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/71262/34/Feynman_-_Surely_Youre_Joking%2C_Mr._Feynman__Adventures_of_a_Curious_Character.html

    “OK,” he says. “The whole principle is this: The guy wants to be a gentleman. He doesn’t want to be thought of as impolite, crude, or especially a cheapskate. As long as the girl knows the guy’s motives so well, it’s easy to steer him in the direction she wants him to go.

    “Therefore,” he continued, “under no circumstances be a gentleman! You must disrespect the girls. Furthermore, the very first rule is, don’t buy a girl anything–not even a package of cigarettes—until you’ve asked her if she’ll sleep with you, and you’re convinced that she will, and that she’s not lying.”

    “Uh … you mean … you don’t … uh … you just ask them?”

    “OK,” he says, “I know this is your first lesson, and it may be hard for you to be so blunt. So you might buy her one thing—just one little something—before you ask. But on the other hand, it will only make it more difficult.”

  28. “Why Women Need Twice As Much Sex As Men”

    So – d’ja reckon Dr. Stephanie was in the estrus phase when she wrote the article? 😁

    Also kinda wonder – has she managed to advance beyond the “I Feel, therefore I Am” philosophy of the feminine, if not it will give a man a headache.

    (In jest of course – first pass interesting.)

  29. Got a question for Rollo … don’t need an answer but hopefully maybe a little food for thought for a future post.

    I’ve been fascinated on your views on biology for awhile, think they are mostly right but somewhat incomplete. For example, what is the major difference between humans and all other kinds of animals ? Not an opposable thumb, walking upright, or speech. Its this … male parental investment. Given 9 months of gestation and another 2 years where the baby is basically helpless its 3 entire years where the woman is basically helpless … and needs a man around to support her, protect her and yes PROVIDE for her (and the offspring) … in other words she needs BB … someone to stick around while she’s busy with a helpless child. Sure, maybe a tribe or other women help, but she needs a man … a Beta. And assuming she’s partnered with the beta and starts ovulating again soon after childbirth … by the time time the child is 2 she’s already pregnant again. And again. And again. In cave man days … with no BC, no medical care, 1/2 of all children died, no schools to send kids too, etc … a woman would be helpless and dependent on a man … nearly all her adult life. She’s preggy, has a 2 yr old, a 4 yr old, and a 6 yr old … and one is sickly. AND … NO HUSBAND ? Then she doesn’t survive and neither do the kids. And as we’ve found … human children need inputs from both parents to come out normal.

    So … given that … what’s rewarded genetically … AF ? … her fucking the AMOG while BB is away OR … BB ? … a father sticking around and supporting the wife and kids. IMO … BB is what is rewarded and its why societies are built upon marriage; remove marriage and society collapses. BB with a husband who sticks around … is what has proven to be successful. To me … the reason that 80% of males are Beta is because genetically THAT”S WHATS REWARDED. So for all those mocking betas … realize this … if there wasn’t a Beta in your past genetic lineage … you wouldn’t be here. Alpha’s are the cads and scads, and the aholes and psychopaths who attempt to take over the tribe … then fuck women who aren’t theirs and shirk their parental responsibility and force the tribe or others to raise their child because they are a tyrant and a worthless piece of shit. Or they force that burden solely onto the mother. So I think the theories are mostly right but missing some key pieces.

    But my real question was this … again … Rollo is mostly right … but missing big pieces. So … Rollo, you’re pushing 50 … and you’re married … assuming your wife is around the same age .. if its normal and it sounds like it is … she’s probably a little bit younger so maybe jumping the gun a little bit. But Menopause is looming. My experience is women calling it the “Change” is not an exaggeration. When they can no longer be a mother anymore … they no longer menstruate, no longer have the monthly hormonal cycles … they change. How does the AF/BB … Estrus theory handle that ? How do women act post-menopause ? What model works/exists for post menopausal women ? How does attraction work ? I think there are a lot of older guys who would appreciate knowing that. Those dealing with their wives post “the change”, older men (50s +) dating women their own age, etc.

    Thanks.

  30. Mega
    March 10, 2018 at 8:36 pm

    My Dad was an Alpha. He stuck around. And the marriage lasted until he died. Mom never remarried.

    Their secret? She surrendered to him. Totally. So he could be as Beta as she wanted without her losing respect for him.

    Female surrender is the key. And it is a lost art.

  31. Mega
    March 10, 2018 at 8:36 pm

    My experience is that if you keep her pussy wet all the time – she doen’t dry up.

    Of course I have no means of telling if this is normally possible or just a special case.

    But it is probably worth a try. And of course it is the Alpha thing to do.

  32. M Simon
    I have just read the Feynman thing, I think he is referring to the situation where you buy a girl drinks who doesnt think you have a dick (funny how he is the Dick in the story). A girl who looks at you and gives her hair a flick, licking her lips n placing her hands on your thigh as you chat: that girl knows what she is going to do to you as soon as you point to your hotel room door. What I was saying was: There are girls you have no wish to keep who will take your drinks and then after still suck you, ride you, bend over and ram you like its 3rd world war, flip over and spread like a fkin frog, even take it three ways, cum so hard that their faces look like the devil himself puffed up veins n all (I kid you not), and still come looking for you the next day.

  33. boulderhead
    March 10, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    The female body is a wondrous thing. It responds to stimulus. (well I am extrapolating from a sample of 2 – heh)

  34. Rollo
    Each time i read the article I’m amazed at how much i see this play out. My self improvement is not isolating.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhW6EEkYLng
    ” If you follow the research women consciously and unconsciously will actively put themselves into environments where the likelihood of their meeting a dominant masculine man who most closely matched that masculine ideal when they are in estrus.”
    https://www.havocscope.com/prostitution-statistics/
    “Alpha men are entitled to it, accommodations be damned, because he’s the man they want to have sex with.”

  35. Hahah, that Feynman book – I loved the whole thing as a teenager, but that chapter about “You just ask them?” I read so many times it’s not funny. First inkling that there was a system to anything like this.

    It doesn’t work as practical advice though. I mean, I have no doubt Feynman did it with success and the chapter was an accurate description of his experiences – but without the underlying framework of why you’re doing it and why it works, it is pretty useless. As pointed out above, it’s basically a version of injecting a “man/woman vibe” so that you’re not relegated to the friendzone (can be done many ways – on my online dates I tell the girl she has a sexy ass…Sentient likes his sexual innuendo, RSD Jeffy talks about putting a baby in her tummy or something).

    But presumably the guy who taught him was a Natural of some kind and was teaching him a lot about screening and timing and spotting IOIs etc before saying something like that which never made it into the book and without that you can’t use that chapter as a Game manual (believe me, I tried).

  36. @Sentient – Killing it as usual. “It does an unintentionally good job of showing how a generation of needy, selfish, spoiled, lazy cunts are desrroying millenia of civilization. One bottle of white wine at a time.”

    Yup. Might as well glaze as many of them up like donuts as I can while I watch this shithole of a society implode. What else am I left with?

    @SilverFoxwho’s a Solo Act – I am finding that my T level waxes and wanes though at 55. Being good sexually at this age takes some fitness, technique and strategy. But one of the best parts is that I last a while. Also there is something going on with young men. I was with a 22yo HB8 about a year ago, and I just had to go down on her beautiful little muff. She was a carousel rider (all my young ones are, i try to be the cool, smart, nice looking older guy who “gets it”), she tells me. “Almost no young guy even tries to get me off like you did. They don’t even kiss me like you do.” She had gone wild with me, it surprised her how into it she was with me.

    You’d think young guys would be better lovers what with porn? I don’t think you guys can imagine this – I never saw what having sex look liked before I did it. As an Irish Catholic boy sex was a highly charged thing with lots of shame and guilt. But still, technique matters. Also, let me be really clear about something. I don’t mean turning having sex with a woman into a “search for her lost orgasm”. The more you “try” with that mindset, the worse it will become. I could write an entire essay here on women “taking their orgasms” back and how to deal with it – if anyone wants it, tell me and I’ll do it.

    The first rule is this. If you can’t make her come by fucking her, you are doing it wrong…Going down on a woman is a nice treat, but it ain’t like a bj for guys. I fuck for my pleasure, and i go rough and hard at it cuz it works for both parties. But if she’s having a hard time coming or whatever, I don’t stress. The rare woman who can’t some is always fucked up in the head about it. Sometimes I’ll take mercy and try and deal with it, but it takes a lot of effort to unfuck a womans head from this and hey, I’m having a good time. She’s punishing herself by holding back her orgasm. But a woman should come from how you fuck her pretty readily.

    Or you are doing it wrong. Again, I have to remember that guys who aren’t alpha-selected for sex don’t understand what this is like. Talk about “burden of performance”, I’m being selected for sex purely for sex. Not for long term anything. If I’m not delivering the mindblowing experience, well then they will get pissed off. But then again, I’m a dominant man and making some little slut submit is what I’m born to do…

    So, back OT, if ya can’t do this, you are likely getting transactional sex. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had transactional sex too, this little 20yo who ‘wants someone to help her out’ may be like that. But I can likely ‘convert’ her to desire sex once I bang the living crap out of her…

    Am I wrong in assuming you guys want to get more desire sex? The analysis is nice, and talking about it is interesting, but I’m in this to be happier and more of a man in every way possible. Today’s society makes casual sex a-okay, while turning most men into simpering pussies that auto-dry vaginas leaving a lot of women craving 50 Shades of Grey type passion. A guy who can learn game and how to fuck like a man, well he can get a little slice of the insanity for himself. Just sayin’…Trying to inspire some guys out there and put the focus on getting some ass out of all this.

  37. @Mega: “Alpha’s are the cads and scads, and the aholes and psychopaths who attempt to take over the tribe …”

    You were doing great until then. And the model is not AF, it is AF/BB.

    Calum” ” . . . . you can’t use that chapter as a Game manual . . . .”

    No, but if your’re someone like Feynman you can use it as a starting fact to derive one over the years. See his bit about ant behaviour. The second fact he got in that story was experimental – he negged a girl’s “virtue” so hard she ran off in disgust, then came back looking for him at the end of the night. So now he has three facts to work from: Don’t buy them anything, don’t flatter them, and if you treat them like a slut, they’ll be one and come begging for it.

    I have no doubt that the story is essentially correct as he told it in the book, but “anecdotalized,” including a bit of time compression. Before the book there were a certain number of “Dick jokes” that circulated in the physics community. He put couple of decades into the study of pickup and along the way networked not only with other men, but the strippers he hung out with as well.

    There was communication before the Internet, it just moved a little slower, but it moved.

  38. Re: Mega – LOL – seriously. Betas are not succeeding at passing their genetic material along at higher rates than alphas, lmfao. Truly, what a delusional thing to believe. 50% of men don’t get to pass on their genetics at all, while 80% of women do. Betas often end up raising alpha men’s children, in fact.

    Difference between alpha and beta? I’d never dream of being with a woman in a serious way with another man’s kids around. I’d never, ever raise or provision for a child who isn’t my own. The very idea is insulting to me. I’ve fucked a bunch of mommies looking for a new daddy for their kids who’ve I’ve told. “I’m not going to be daddy to some other man’s kids. I don’t even want to meet them if we can avoid it.” They sort of smile when I say that. Fyi, one of the things I actively do as an older guy with means is actively disqualify myself from provisioning. I don’t pay for much other than meals or whatever. A date is coming back to my place to smoke some weed and fuck. I don’t take them anywhere. I’m the guy/place they come to where they can be the dirty sluts they always wanted to be. As an important aside to keep it real with the guys out there, my fail rate is incredibly high. There are not many 20somethings who have an older guy like me on “their to do list”. But I know how to recognize when it’s there. Interest and arousal is so easy to detect for me now. Biggest game challenge I have is reverting to my “natural” stuff, which never worked as well. Mental conditioning is a bitch to rid oneself of completely.

    Your larger point is directionally correct of course. Marriage with fidelity – really anything that restrains female sexual agency – is good for betas.Much of what feminism is really about today is a long, loud complaint about how our society has traditionally constrained female sexual agency.

  39. I wonder how many of you MGTOW,angry-beta types out there have really thought about my last statement? In fact, a Western/Christian patriarchal society did indeed conspire institutionally to shame and restrain female sexual agency. Now that society also institutionalized a form of courtly love that turned men into pussybeggars formally, overtly – even though it was never really true. Cuz while the beta in court wrote poetry, the courtier was still sneaking back to her village to get plowed by the local thug…So romantic love has always been a double-bind game for beta men, both delusional and failing to moisturize the vadge, but hey, someone’s gotta pay the bills…My point is that the system of courtly love/romantic love constrained female sexual agency too. Much of the underlying emotional energy for any individual feminist comes from a very visceral place, part of our being that seeks to assert our sexual agency aggressively.

    The way many women internalize this is to have two kinds of guys in their lives informally, if not formally. You see this phenomenon in a certain type Dominican girl, and in general black and hispanic girls that favor white men very clearly. They pick a provider type, but back in da hood, well, an ex of some sort or an old friend or whatever is often still banging her like the slut she is. There is also a certain type of white girl who just loves black dick, but has a white beta boyfriend. Who she talks into cucking with the black guys. Think I’m a racist? Imagine how many more white guys are cucking for black dudes versus how many black dudes are cucking for white guys? Who’s actually winning this “battle of the hoes”? Nice guys used to get a reward in the form of begrudging fidelity, but now? If you do manage to nail down a hot girl, you’re just as likely to expected to watch her fuck another guys as she is to be faithful. And have that lifestyle celebrated by society. What a mindfuck for guys who sign up for that shit.

    But it’s not just those girls by any means. White girls are full on ho’s as much or more than any girls – just have to let them signal it to you. Hot girls are often insanely sexual these days. Not all of them, of course, some have had their pussies sewn tight by fathers like @SJF, but for many young hotties, today is a bonanza for them. There are more than a few actual nympomaniac hotties in any college town or big city or decently densely populated area. The combo of the digital age (social sites, plus texting, plux pix) has made working a real “digital funnel” for a man possible too. The girls who have sexy insta feeds, who will give you their snap and post wild nights, you have to get what that all feels like for them to really work it.

    It makes them feel like mini-celebrities in their own minds. Digital allows them to amplify the signals they like and block the signals they don’t. They post pics to get their own neurological hit. It’s pathetic, they post something and then obsessively check for who’s liking it. Guess what? That girl’s doing it because IT’S HOW SHE GETS OFF in a way. It’s highly sexual energy and puts these girls in a highly sexualized reality. Every day is an opp for a sexy pic or great looking pic or new outfit or cool place or meal. Now you’ve got to be the guy who breaks through, and that simply isn’t easy. But it’s doable. It starts with thinking about her psychology and neurology instead of your own…

    One of the most humbling yet most educating aspects of game for me was really getting the impact I have on others (IRL, not on some stupid fucking blog site). I sent mixed signals to women often about how I saw my own value, and their relative value. While i was a natural, blue pillness as pedestalization was always a foundation for me. Even as I knew pussy was abundant, I still saw myself very poorly. This wasn’t the first time I’d seen this about myself, but I’d missed how age had creeped into my mindset and how ready I was to disqualify myself from what I wanted.

    The big shift came when I was mostly focused on what I wanted, and was just less concerned about the ego approval of being “liked” or wanted. Mostly I’m looking for IOIs, or even better, annoyance…Remember, attraction for women is based on criteria that can be gamed, or better said, addressed. These days, just not being a pussy beggar and apologizing for being interested sets you apart, as long as you aren’t a complete dick about it. Especially an older guy in public, girls will flirt but they don’t to be seen flirting with a guy twice their age. Hence why a snap/insta/kik is always best these days. Then they can sort you out in a private channel, while they feed you what they feed the rest of the chumps. Of course, your behavior will be quite different. You will ignore her feed, only message her a couple of times, and then berate her for ignoring – and then shut up. 25% of the time you will hook her with this, 75% will tell you to fuck off but they are the super cunty one’s anyway. This approach screens-in the sweet girl’s who’s conscience you can actually awaken into behaving like a human being. It’s an uber dominance play from the outset, but again, digital makes it so easy for me to work a funnel of these girls. And I only focus on my those who don’t fall out of the funnel. I spend ZERO time thinking about my “losses” cuz I don’t care. I don’t internalize that as rejection for more than a nano-second, it’s just data. Next…

    Fyi, you gotta spike these delusional young hotties hard. It’s not easy, and there is a high fail rate. But there is so much bs in their framing of relationships with men that you have to explode it upfront or you are done. I’ve never been able to make the subtle approach work. Ya basically gotta call them out on being cunts and see who it gets through to. Some world we live in, but then again, i’m gonna fuck a 20yo this week, my second girl in her 20s this year. And I did exactly this with her. So…

    And I’m gonna become a grandpa this month if all goes well, tee hee. Fucking girls 10 years younger than my daughter. There is a God after all…If she’d never gone full cunt on me, I’d never have found the Red Pill and then Game. Funny how things work out.

  40. @M Simon
    I am not talking about one specific girl. But usually there is no deal so to speak. I dont know how to put it but mostly there is just a vague understanding that someone is getting fucked tonight.

    Respect? I don’t know what you mean by respect. I respect my mom, my grand ma, my sisters, and few other women here and there. The fuckees, I just either like or dont. Respect is a bit too formal for my purposes in this respect (for lack of a better way to put it).

  41. Scribbs in a purple patch. Nice posts.

    This here

    “You’d think young guys would be better lovers what with porn?”

    Just touched on this in the FR section. Porn is false. The porn gymnastics are false. The porn kata of you blow me, i eat you, fuck you doggy, you on top, come on face… False. The porn catechism of “oh yeah give me that nice cock” “yes yes yes” etc. False.

    It’s not real sex without real emotional connection. Her brain is the biggest sex organ. Fuck her mind.

    Understand Sex God Metgod and the DEVI structure. Understand what sensuality is.

  42. “But it’s not just those girls by any means. White girls are full on ho’s as much or more than any girls – just have to let them signal it to you. Hot girls are often insanely sexual these days. Not all of them, of course, some have had their pussies sewn tight by fathers like @SJF, but for many young hotties, today is a bonanza for them. “

    Lol. Sorry Scribs. My daughter is already taken by a fine young man she chose who is pretty damn fortunate in finding her and he doesn’t show Blue Pill tendencies. Just like when Rollo gets a fine young son in law one of these days. It’s satisfying.

    Good thing she’s got a good role model in me. I’ve also spent a fair amount of time with her fiance in male only spaces. He qualifies as a good future son in law.

    She’s very balanced at her core soul.

    From Rollo’s Positive Masculinity book.:

    Raising Girls

    Much of what I’ve outlined for raising boys would cross over into raising a daughter, however there are some differences in approach. Exemplifying a Red Pill ideal, and demonstrations of positive, dominantly masculine Frame control are still the highest priority, but more so is the modeled behavior of the girl’s mother toward you and her acknowledgment of your Frame. If your wife resists, ridicules or mocks your Frame, if she feigns acceptance of it, devaluation is the lesson your daughter will be taught about masculinity. You must model for and mold her perceptions of masculinity while your wife models the aspects of femininity – for better or worse.

    A lot of how you approach raising a daughter can be based on your Red Pill understanding of how to deal with women, and based on much of the same basic gender-complementary foundations. The same Game principles you would use with women are actually founded on behavior sets that little girls learn and enjoy while they’re growing up. Amused Mastery is a prime example of this. The idea is to model the type of man you would be happy to accept into your own family as her husband. This then is reflected by how you interact with a son.

    You will notice that root level Hypergamy manifests itself in girls at a very young age. In Dr. Warren Farrell’s book, Why Men Are The Way They Are he notes that girls as young as 7 already have a definition of the (celebrity) “boys they’d like to kiss and the boys they’d like to marry.” No doubt girls’ acculturation influences their preferences, but the Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks archetypes are part of their mental firmware. Popular culture is ready to exploit this nature, and in so doing it eroticizes girls from a very early age, but it still exploits a base nature in women that is inherent.

    As a father, your primary role will be one of modeling the provider security seeking aspect of the Hypergamous equation. While that comfort and control is necessary it tends to be a trap for most Betas. The challenge most Beta fathers fail at is embracing and owning the very necessary Alpha / Dominant role that makes up the other side of that equation. That isn’t to say you directly assume the Alpha Fucks role that Hypergamy demands, but it is to say that you adopt and own the Alpha dominance that makes that aspect sexy in other men.

    The challenge is exemplifying Amused Mastery with your daughter, but in such a way that it balances Alpha dominance and control with rapport, security and comfort. In Myth of the Good Guy I make the case that adult women don’t really look for this Hypergamous balance in the same man. Alphas are for fucking, Betas are for long term security, and men who think they can embody both are neither directly sought after nor really believable. The root of this mental separation of Hypergamous, purpose-specific, men can be traced back to the impression of masculinity that a woman’s father set for her in her formative years.

    Lean too far toward Alpha dominance and you become the asshole abuser who domineered poor mom while she was growing up. Lean too far to the Beta, permissive, passive and feminine side of the spectrum and the future men in her life will be colored by your deferring to the feminine as authority – thus placing her in the role of having to create the security she never expects men to have a real command of.

    The challenge of raising a boy is modeling and exemplifying the positive, dominant masculine role you want him to boldly embrace in spite of the same fem-centric world arrayed against yourself. The challenge of raising a girl is embodying the dominant masculine man you will eventually be proud to call your son-in-law. Your daughter needs to be able to identify that guy by reflexively comparing him to the masculine role you set for her.

    Most contemporary men (that is to say 80%+ Beta men) are very uncomfortable in asserting dominance with their daughters for fear of being perceived as misogynists according to their feminine-centric acculturation. The zeitgeist of this era’s approach to fathers parenting girls is one of walking on eggshells around their little princesses, or treating their daughter as if she were a son. The fear is one of avoiding instilling a crushing of their independence or limiting their future opportunities by being more permissive with girls. The gender-correct hope is that in doing so they’ll all go on to be the future doctors and scientists society needs, but that permissiveness and coddling does them no favors in the long run. To the equalist father of today there is no greater sin than to think of their daughters, or have any man think of their own daughters, as anything less than co-equal entities as boys.

    If you were uncomfortable experimenting with Red Pill concepts while you were single, you’ll be even more so in raising a daughter. The most important impression you need to leave her with is that men and women are different, but complementary to the other. She needs to know that your masculine dominance is beneficial, protective and valid to both her and her mother, and your personal mastery of you conditions and environment are an aid to her and the family.

    She needs to understand that girls and women are, sometimes, excluded from male-spaces, particularly if you also have a son. In fact, it’s boon if you have a son to teach while you bring up a daughter as she’ll see his upbringing as a model for positive masculinity.

  43. scribblerg,

    “You see this phenomenon in a certain type Dominican girl, and in general black and hispanic girls that favor white men very clearly. They pick a provider type, but back in da hood, well, an ex of some sort or an old friend or whatever is often still banging her like the slut she is. There is also a certain type of white girl who just loves black dick, but has a white beta boyfriend. Who she talks into cucking with the black guys. Think I’m a racist? Imagine how many more white guys are cucking for black dudes versus how many black dudes are cucking for white guys? Who’s actually winning this “battle of the hoes”? ”

    Knocked it out of the park with this , scribblerg, any white guy looking to get into any type of relationship with someone from another culture better think twice. It’s not just latin girls or black girls doing this either, Asian/Indian girls do the same. Simply put guys they don’t respect you, that’s the reason they are with you to begin with, because it’s easy. Rest assured they are getting plowed by other guys of their own culture. Never get into any serious relationship with anyone outside your own culture, you don’t understand theirs and most likely they don’t understand yours, two different worlds with very different moralities.

    I know an Indian girl who is married with a white guy, she is very traditional, blah blah. She was looking to bet plowed by an Indian , alphaish friend of mine, she was begging for it very UMC actually, as if that even matters. Hard truths.

  44. Question though, since you brought it up – how come American’s in America don’t ” understand ” other cultures? And what is supposedly different about the moralities?

    Background noise: I was raised around various different cultures right here in America and I don’t grasp this kind of thought process. People are different. Regions are different. Classes are different.

    Question for some of the other commenters here – Do y’all buy into this stuff? Has this been your experience in life? How many of y’all were raised in a place where EVERYONE was exactly like you?

    And do you think that was beneficial?

  45. @Blaximus

    “Do y’all buy into this stuff?”

    You should probably what ” this stuff” is…….in bullet points. or just expect random areas of contention.

  46. @Blaximus

    “Do y’all buy into this stuff?”

    You should probably define*** what ” this stuff” is…….in bullet points. or just expect random areas of contention.

  47. mersonia

    I figured that…

    Simply put guys they don’t respect you, that’s the reason they are with you to begin with, because it’s easy. Rest assured they are getting plowed by other guys of their own culture. Never get into any serious relationship with anyone outside your own culture, you don’t understand theirs and most likely they don’t understand yours, two different worlds with very different moralities

    … is pretty stand-out-ish. Or maybe giant blanket condemnations based on race/culture are very hard to discern? Idk.

    Lmao.

  48. Mersonia

    In any case, I just asked. I’m not looking for a huge fall out or anything, just wondering why some guys have had the experiences they have had in life that make them come to the conclusions that they’ve reached.

    As far as women are concerned, They Are All Just Girls. You know, AWALT. If you’re dating an Asian chick and she goes out and gets boned by an Asian guy behind your back, the only thing you need to do is 1) look in the mirror and 2) get you Game/Mind/Sex action correct.

    Because Miss Scandinavia will do the same thing to you if that’s what she wants to do.

    Out.

  49. @blaximus

    After realizing that 92% of people here are autistic……….. I figure it makes easier for them to stay on topic and have coherent discussions.

  50. “If you’re dating an Asian chick and she goes out and gets boned by an Asian guy behind your back, the only thing you need to do is 1) look in the mirror and 2) get you Game/Mind/Sex action correct.”

    This is true tho….

    “” Simply put guys they don’t respect you, that’s the reason they are with you to begin with, because it’s easy. Rest assured they are getting plowed by other guys of their own culture. Never get into any serious relationship with anyone outside your own culture, you don’t understand theirs and most likely they don’t understand yours, two different worlds with very different moralities””

    ^^^^ This shows some people don’t read rationalmale.

  51. scribblerg
    March 11, 2018 at 5:37 am

    back in da hood, well, an ex of some sort or an old friend or whatever is often still banging her like the slut she is.

    Women know what they are. And in fact don’t respect themselves.

    If you respect them they KNOW you are clueless. The only point for them in chasing the clueless is to run a con.

  52. SJF
    March 11, 2018 at 9:24 am

    The old rules were not too bad for LTRs (and STRs were VERY frowned upon).

    1. When you find the right man surrender to him
    2. Be very careful because surrendering to the wrong man is dangerous.

    The danger is now mitigated. But also #1 is no longer taught. The shit tests never end. My Mom knew how to surrender to my Dad (it may have been rare even in those days). The LTR has no clue on how to surrender long term – despite the fact that it makes her happy. My take is that women are predisposed to unhappiness. Psychological studies bear that out.

  53. M Simon
    March 11, 2018 at 2:09 pm

    Victim (pity) parties are notorious among women.

    “I was in labor for 16 hours. It was terrible. ”

    “That is nothing. I was in labor for 28 hours. They had to cut me open to get the baby out. I still have the scars.”

    Or

    “There was no spark between us and yet he expected sex weekly. Just because we were married.” is the latest complaint.

  54. Now think of the value loss in women’s social circles.

    “He keeps me excited all the time. He is thrilling to be with.”

    A woman with no complaints is a low value woman – in other women’s eyes.

    “She got a prince? I despise her.”

  55. I don’t which came first, the Royal Wedding or the crazy eyes, but that woman had crazy eyes, and by the time she talked to Baba Wawa she was bugfuck.

  56. scribblerg
    March 11, 2018 at 7:49 am

    “The big shift came when I was mostly focused on what I wanted, and was just less concerned about the ego approval of being “liked” or wanted. Mostly I’m looking for IOIs, or even better, annoyance…Remember, attraction for women is based on criteria that can be gamed, or better said, addressed. These days, just not being a pussy beggar and apologizing for being interested sets you apart, as long as you aren’t a complete dick about it… I spend ZERO time thinking about my “losses” cuz I don’t care. I don’t internalize that as rejection for more than a nano-second, it’s just data. Next…”

    Brilliant post, scribb! I almost feel like pedastalizing you, man. I’ve been dealing myself out with the younger ones over the last few years, when i used to slay them like a mofo not that long ago. I have aged well and am definitely rocking the silver fox, improving with age in lotsa ways actually (emerging electro music producer, motorbikes etc), but just gotta adopt my mindset back to how it was when i was on fire. And like you said, it’s so much about teasing the fuck out of them, not taking them seriously and not even contemplating “rejection”. As all us older players know, if any pussy gets a sniff of neediness from you, she is out of there instantly! And so she should be, for any alpha would not put up with a needy woman, either. That’s the domain of the beta.

    I’m just coming out of the summer slump that my break-up with the Serpent facilitated (due to my pedastalizing her body really), and have just been invited to play at a new festival this weekend after closing another 2 weeks ago (no pussy action, though my new biggest fan who was there is a very hot 30’s yummy mummy, still married, but we shall see. She wrote me a pvt FB message recently telling me how much she loves my music, then came up to me during my set in her skin tight leopard print jumpsuit and ecstatically told me to my face. If hubby wasn’t there i would have grabbed her arse, embraced and kissed her…) so time to rock the ole mojo again. It feels good to be on the way back. So much appreciation for your great posts, cutting through the bullshit, and keeping it real.

    Tally ho, gentlemen! I hope to present a successful field report sortie next week…

  57. @ScribblerG

    “Dr. (Steven) Gundry’s Plant Paradox, read it. Changed my life.”

    True story. I recommended it to my mother. She stored the info (as she eats an extra-ordinary good diet @83 y.o.) But she recommended it to a good friend her age. It changed her friend’s life. (..from horrible lifelong gastro-intestinal issues.)

    She sent my mom a $50 gift certificate for the local grocery store. And sent me a $100 gift certificate for Amazon. I never met or spoke with the woman. On my mothers insistence, I called her twice but she works for charities and call screens her calls and never picked up. My mother forwarded that info to her, but the woman said don’t bother.

    My wife seems to be bothered terribly by nightshade vegetables (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers and eggplant). So there is that.

    I don’t seem to do badly, but I eat uniquely because of Type I diabetes. Carbs, bread, pasta and rice or sugar aren’t really in my wheelhouse. My last Glycohemoglobin/ Hemoglobin A1C (last week) was 6.0 which is in the barely diabetic range and probably in the top 5% of Type 1 diabetics for blood sugar control, if not top 1% (its a Mastery proposition and it is extra-ordinarily difficult unless skills are utilized. I’d even go so far as to say the Red Pill got me better control, Heh…).

  58. “I’ll do anything you want” – the most pussy dehumidifying phrase a man can possibly utter.
    If all you can get is transactional, yes, pay and walk away and feel good about the fact that someone else can deal with her BS.

  59. For older guys struggling with themselves over younger women.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BfoTEXFhmrp/?hl=en

    56 Steven Lyon. Hard at work.

    The issue is not age. It’s proximity. That’s the hardest part. Being in environments where there are hot young women. The rest is game, same as a 25yo would need to run. But remember you have a lifetime of actual experience, in the world, travel, culture, business, arts… And women. Decades of experience to draw upon.

    You just need to convey your high value being cognizant of cat games and knowing you are truly the prize.

    In the places i frequent 20 year age gaps are common. For truly beautiful women, real 8s and up. Common to see them with an older guy. And it ain’t any sugar. Because these guys didn’t become these guys by giving shit away.

    Find pools of young girls and step up your game.

  60. Transactional sex isn’t all bad. Especially if you have it frequently. I’d rather have transactional sex every day than validation sex only once a week. Getting off feels good. I’m not picky. If she’s into it, great. If not, as long as I’m still getting laid I don’t really care. A lot of sex in marriage is transactional. It should be. She gets to be my wife and gets all the benefits from that and in exchange she has to fuck me. That’s the deal.

    My litmus test for the health of a relationship is how often I have sex. If I’m having regular sex (4x per week or so) I know I’m doing something right. Even if the sex is only enthusiastic every once in a while. If that number drops, I interpret it as a shit test and step up my Game.

  61. Re: Steve Lyon. evidently 1961 was a killer year.

    Sentient is dead on again. You are the prize, regardless of the woman’s age, but especially with 20-30 year age gaps. There’s nothing intimidating about a young girl/woman. It’s all in your head. Have fun and enjoy yourself, game hard and well.

    50+ year old guys don’t sweat or stress over women. Leave that to young boys trying to figure things out.

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