What Makes a Man?

When I was compiling the material I was going to use for my second book, Preventive Medicine, I chose to use the essay Vulnerability in the hopes that I might be able to dispel one of the more egregious fantasies about masculinity – that vulnerability is in some way a strength for men. At the time I was rebutting the Mark Manson claim that men’s vulnerability was a necessity in whatever it was he used to consider Game, or the idea that a lot of Purple Pill hacks like to cling to about men’s vulnerability being some foundation upon which a “healthy” relationship ought to be built on. This trope is pulled straight from the Oprah / Dr. Phill handbook and really the belief that a man’s vulnerability is in someway a strength is part of a Blue Pill conditioned belief set that young boys are taught from a very early age.

Go to any woman’s dating advice for men blog today and you’ll likely read some variation of it. It’s actually part of our pop-psychology social consciousness – transvaluation is a very common theme; reversing weakness with strength has been the order for feminizing men and masculinizing women since the Sexual Revolution. I can remember hearing this ‘advice’ since the late 80s on any number of daytime talk shows. Reading this pabulum coming from ‘dating coaches’ with any association to the Red Pill was enough for me to want to dispel the notion. That, and the need for men to get in touch with their Jungian feminine sides as a means to better identifying with women and thus eventually getting laid by all the women who supposedly swooned for vulnerable, sensitive and emotionally available men (also known as ‘Beta Orbiters’).

However, as I was editing that essay for inclusion in the book I realized that what I was considering wasn’t so much the transvaluation of vulnerability and strength, but the model upon which the Feminine Imperative would like to convince men is appropriate and best suited for women’s needs in a relationship. The provable fact that women’s Hypergamy predisposes them to being aroused by men who display the most opposite aspects to this vulnerability (Dark Triad traits for example) doesn’t seem to matter; vulnerability is only beneficial to women seeking comfort and security in a long term partner.

In that essay I outlined a few things about what masculinity has become in a post-Sexual Revolution female-primary social order:

For the greater part of men’s upbringing and socialization they are taught that a conventional masculine identity is in fact a fundamentally male weakness that only women have a unique ‘cure’ for. It’s a widely accepted manosphere fact that over the past 60 or so years, conventional masculinity has become a point of ridicule, an anachronism, and every media form from then to now has made a concerted effort to parody and disqualify that masculinity. Men are portrayed as buffoons for attempting to accomplish female-specific roles, but also as “ridiculous men” for playing the conventional ‘macho’ role of masculinity. In both instances, the problems their inadequate maleness creates are only solved by the application of uniquely female talents and intuition.

Perhaps more damaging though is the effort the Feminine Imperative has made in convincing generations of men that masculinity and its expressions (of any kind) is an act, a front, not the real man behind the mask of masculinity that’s already been predetermined by his feminine-primary upbringing.

Women who lack any living experience of the male condition have the calculated temerity to define for men what they should consider manhood – from a feminine-primary context. This is why men’s preconception of vulnerability being a sign of strength is fundamentally flawed. Their concept of vulnerability stems from a feminine pretext.

Masculinity and vulnerability are defined by a female-correct concept of what should best serve the Feminine Imperative. That feminine defined masculinity (tough-guy ridiculousness) feeds the need for defining vulnerability as a strength – roll over, show your belly and capitulate to that feminine definition of masculinity – and the cycle perpetuates itself.

I returned to this essay today because I think that over the past six months we’re seeing a strengthening push from the Feminine Imperative to clamp down on what we’re to believe should be an acceptable expression of masculinity. In essence the imperative (or the Village if you like) has been using every mass shooting tragedy to reiterate what masculinity should mean to men. And, failing this, the hope is still that men will be confused as to what conventional expressions they can subjectively define it in, in a more female-correct way.

The Feminine-Correct Paradigm

Since the most recent school shooting in Florida, the focus on what constitutes masculinity has come to the forefront of our social consciousness. What exactly is masculinity they keep asking, and then provide definitions that only have meaning to a social order that’s founded on female social dominance. They are definitions that most men heard repeated constantly as boys from their overwhelmingly female-taught and feminine-primary educations. Since the beginning of the Sexual Revolution and the rise of Fempowerment boys and men are expected to grow up into a female-defined masculinity. Boys are acculturated in contexts that feminize them, yet we are meant to believe that all the horrors of Patriarchal masculinity are still being taught to them today:

Two decades ago, the psychologist William Pollack wrote that boys start out sensitive but through a “shame-hardening process” — told to stop crying, to be a man — they learn to hide what they really feel. And if they don’t know or understand their own feelings, how can they care about anyone else’s?

This has become something of a cliché. And the truth is, there’s no single culture of boys, but many. In my memories of adolescence, beneath the constant ribbing and occasional pyromania, we had tremendous affection for one another. And we longed to connect with women with an intensity that was difficult to contemplate.

This was a quote from Real Men Get Rejected Too. It’s a good illustration of the paradox masculinity presents to parents and educators. The idea that boys are these sensitive delicate souls who, through the evils of their Patriarchal (typically male) upbringing, are conditioned to become ‘macho’ violent men is a popular trope. After Nikolas Cruz killed 17 kids at school it was the go-to rationale. “Boys are brought up to be violent gun-loving beasts thanks to a perpetuated misogynistic culture of men” or some variation of this is common. It’s an easy, digestible, info-bite that sounds right because we’ve heard it for so long. If only boys we’re taught more like girls to get in touch with their emotions and were vulnerable in expressing them we could avoid these male-created tragedies.

That’s the pretense we’re supposed to believe – and it’s important that a larger society does believe in the inherent evilness of masculinity if the Feminine Imperative is to maintain social dominance. But the truth is boys have been systematically feminized for the past 3-4 generations. Boys are taught like defective girls. Since the 1970s it is increasingly women who have dominated academia from kindergarten to doctorate degrees. The entire western education system is founded on a feminine-primary, feminine-defined teaching methodology. In the process of advantaging girls to the utmost efficiency in school (to fempower adult women) the educational atmosphere had to be defined by what best served girls. School and teaching became ‘for girls’ and the educational landscape shifted to teaching styles that girls were most benefited in.

In that shift the idea that boys might be disadvantaged had little bearing, but overtime the conditions of teaching ‘to girls’ defined the teaching style as the correct style. In fact, teaching in a way that girls learn best, and disciplining boys for not learning this way, is no longer a style – it is just the way children are taught. Boys and men today are the product of female teachers who actively advantage girls at the expense of boys. So normalized is this teaching that boys disrupting the advantaging of girls in class is something we’ve decided needs to be medicinally curbed. Boys being boys is diagnosed as an illness and drugs are prescribed so as to sedate them long enough for the girls to learn.

This focus on empowering girls isn’t limited to the classroom. In every form of early childhood through adolescent media, music, social networks and social exchanges this theme is continued; girls have the future in their reach, boys are potential rapists and criminals if they don’t fall in line with female-correct way of how things just are. I get asked a lot about what I think defines Blue Pill conditioning and I’d say this ambient social theme of fempowerment is a strong basis for it. Boys are not taught this old-school, much-feared Patriarchal masculinity, they are bombarded with themes of how masculinity is incorrect, laughable, and a shameful ‘act’ that boys have to put on to cover the ‘real’ female-correct versions of their sensitive selves. Boys are taught from the earliest age that being a boy is an incorrect mask, while being a girl, learning like a girl, emoting and relating like a girl is ‘real’ and the correct way of developing a personality.

Who would ever want to be a boy when so much is rewarded and praised about being a girl? There’s so much more advantage to be had if you’re a girl. As early as five years old boys are deliberately taught to loathe their own gender, but they are also being taught a redefinition of what a female-correct form of masculinity should be for them. The best they could do would be to become female to the best of their ability. They learn they must agree and support girls’ empowerment, identify with the feminine and above all, despise the parody of masculinity they are shown is ‘illegitimate’ and inauthentic.

Boys are systematically taught to make women and womankind their Mental Point of Origin. This is why it is so difficult for men to unplug and abandon their old Blue Pill selves; feminine-primacy was literally conditioned into them since they were kids.

Nikolas Cruz, like many other teenage shooters is the product of this feminine-primary education system, not a Patriarchal “teach boys not to cry” machismo school. He is a monster of their creation; one taught to cry on demand and emote like a girl. He’s the result of a participation trophy mentality that demonize men and masculinity to the point that he never learns how to bounce back from defeat, rejection or simply life’s adversities. No men and no masculinity is available to teach that kid how to harden up and be resilient, or how that masculine discipline is not bullying or hazing, but a necessary part of a boy’s maturation into a masculine man.

But to throw society off the trail a false narrative of hyper-masculinity ruining our otherwise feminine-correct boys is perpetuated. When the next school shooting takes place the Village will again want the public to believe it’s masculinity and men’s fault for what is really his emotional outburst. The Village will attempt to place the responsibility on men, on fathers, while in the meantime perpetuating the idea that men/fathers are superfluous at best, a societal burden at worst. Men are useful catspaws in so many ways, and in perpetuating this narrative the Village reinforces the female-correct theme for grown men too.

Masculinity is what they say it is, or else

In the Honor System I proposed the following:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Essentially, this convention keeps beta males in a perpetual state of chasing their own tails. Over the course of a lifetime they’re conditioned to believe that they’re cursed with masculinity (Patriarchy) yet are still responsible to ‘Man Up’ when it suits a feminine imperative. So it’s therefore unsurprising to see that half the men in western society believe women dominate the world (male powerlessness) while at the same time women complain of a lingering Patriarchy (female powerlessness) or at least sentiments of it. This is the Catch 22 writ large. The guy who does in fact Man Up is a chauvinist, misogynist, patriarch, but he still needs to man up when it’s convenient to meet the needs of a female imperative.

It’s important to review this premise if we want to understand the real intent the Feminine Imperative has in redefining masculinity for men. Aspects of conventional masculinity are useful for women, and masculine duty (appeals to men’s “honor”) is a means to access it while avoiding the aspects that would in any way advantage men over women. Conventional masculinity is largely disparaged and parodied in order to disenfranchise men, but men are still needed to save women from natural disasters and protect them from physical harm (so long as they never expect sex for it). On some level of consciousness women understand the transactional and validational aspects of sex. They know that men’s serviceableness comes with an implied transactional cost, so to circumvent this women had to be put in charge of defining what masculinity should mean to men.

Masculinity as defined by men is almost always illegitimate and inauthentic in a feminine-primary world order. The presumption is that “macho man” ridiculous masculinity is a mask that men wear. That mask is meant to cover their true feminine-correct selves; because men cannot be authentic in any other context than the taught, feminine-correct context. So, of course, men can only be fakes or insecure of their masculinity (the masculinity defined by the feminine) and can never ‘really’ be that strong, dominant male apart from the permission the Feminine Imperative gives him.

Because the Feminine Imperative controls the overall context for what should be correct for men this has the effect of making women the sole deciders of what is masculine. In effect, and in this Blue Pill context, women become the gatekeepers of manhood. If masculinity imbues men with manhood (literally being considered a man) a ‘man’ is only whom a woman will designate as such within her presumed, feminine-correct context. In other words, do the imperative’s bidding and it dubs you a ‘man’.

Breaking the Cycle

As you might’ve guessed, this social dynamic conflicts with women’s Hypergamous imperatives. A Beta who thinks he’s a ‘man’ and presumes entitlements because of that is a woman’s worst fear. A Beta transgressing into a manhood that the imperative didn’t give him is the making for a guy being considered a sexual predator. However, an Alpha man, a man of high sexual market value still needs to accept the feminine-correct social frame, but he must also know his role within that frame. I’ve made the comparison in the past that women only see men as either draft animals or breeding stock. In a feminine-correct paradigm the breeding stock must know that his conventionally masculine aspects mean different things to a woman (Alpha Fucks sex) than the draft animal’s masculine aspects (Beta Bucks service). As such, masculinity and a designation of being a man becomes a constant qualifier for a Beta male. Manhood becomes a carrot he follows to pull the feminine-correct cart.

In fact, Beta men hold their female-correct ‘man’ designation as an unwitting point of pride. Examples abound of self-righteous Betas AMOGing other men for not being ‘real men’ (according to the imperative) like themselves. What they’re ignorant of is that this self-righteousness is defined by how well they conform to the masculinity that the imperative tells him is useful – and avoiding the ‘toxic’ masculinity it also defines for him – all according to his role in the scheme of a woman’s sexual strategy.

Should a man awaken from this Blue Pill conditioning and coronate himself as a ‘man’ outside the approval of womankind, this is when he’s ridiculed as an old school Patriarch and an anachronism of the old male-incorrect social paradigm. This is the control the imperative has against men stepping out side this female-controlled masculinity. The first response any female critic has for men who make themselves their mental point of origin is to remove that status of manhood.

Because they don’t accept feminine-primacy this disqualifies them from ‘real’ manhood.

One of the most difficult aspects men face in unplugging and living in Red Pill awareness is the social stigma that follows when they remove womankind from the pedestal and make themselves their mental point of origin. He gets called an asshole, he gets called selfish, he gets called a misogynist, but he’s also “less of a man” because he no longer conforms to the definition of masculinity that the Feminine Imperative has taught him from his earliest memories. Learning to redefine his mental image of what makes a man a man in his own Red Pill aware state is tough. Most of what he considered the very limited and controlled aspects of an ideal masculinity are a big part of the Blue Pill idealism he was raised on. This transition to conventional masculinity is also hampered by a deep learning of shame and gender loathing for finding anything positive in masculinity.

These are some important things to keep in mind if you are moving into a Red Pill awareness and learning to live in a new paradigm based around a conventional understanding of masculinity that isn’t inherently evil. It’s hard to do, but that old mental model of masculinity your teachers (all of them) convinced you was incorrect is something you must unlearn and cut yourself away from. Know that women don’t just long for that dominant masculinity, they need it for the health of their own life experiences. They need the protection, the comfort, the security and the discipline that masculinity balances their lives with.

Women ask, “where have all the ‘real’ men gone?”, but they exist outside the presumed, feminine-correct paradigm they mistakenly believe they have a secure control of. They don’t want to let go of that, so they will fight you to maintain a control over masculinity (which by definition can be chaotic as well as comforting) that they never really had – even with all the social engineering.

 

Yes I know my enemy, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.

 

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Jason Gosnell
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OK…that was Savage due to its precision. I can relate completely…but, it’s OLD. Most of us we’re raised that way.

What a mess.

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HowlingManTodd
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Lebowski knows: https://youtu.be/gQWGIzSGtOc

SJF
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SJF

“Yes I know my enemy, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.”

Just reading a quote in Time magazine’s rundown of Black Panther: T’Challa and Killmonger are mirror images, separated only by the accident of where they were born….. “What they don’t realize”, Boseman says,” is that the greatest conflict you will ever face will be the conflict with yourself”.

(Just a throwaway comment, please don’t get into the movie Black Panther at this juncture. Please don’t.)

Sam Botta (@sambotta)
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I’m pasting this portion from Rollo’s “Good Humans” post because there will be men finding “THE RATIONAL MALE” for the first time today with this Rollo Tomassi post “What Makes A Man?” Each man that realizes the truth that he was not born evil because his “DNA is flawed” will find some peace in the words from Josh Ishiro Finney. The following is a reblog of Josh Ishiro Finney’s A Letter to Boys & Young Men of America. Josh had this post and his blog attacked in the wake of the school shooting in Florida this week and I felt… Read more »

Trozer
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@Sam Truth. The world needs Rational (not Vulnerable) Men more than ever. By the way – really enjoyed the audio versions of TRM thanks to your excellent reading. @Rollo I understand that you are not taking requests for future posts… it’s just that you said something on a podcast recently, that referenced something Peterson has said also. Namely that the Patriarchy exists in the minds of women. The ‘patriarchy’ is a social hierarchy that women have sustained in-order to help differentiate the high-status alpha males from the betas. We as men participate in this social construct in-order to ensure procreation.… Read more »

walawala
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Had dinner the other night with a recently divorced friend who suddenly adopted the Red Pill quite naturally. He didn’t read about it he just woke up. He’s killing it right now banging 10s and realising his ex was divorce raping him so he took measures. When I told him about the Red I’ll and game it came as a relief that there was some how this body of work and whole movement lending to support to this awakening he was experiencing. It got me thinking after reading this post…all men have it in them but will they summon it?… Read more »

Sun Wukong
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Upon seeing the title I could only think of a hilariously brilliant AMV I saw a long while back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rT3KsN_H6g

You may resume your normally scheduled kvetching and critique.

Sri
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Sri

Women are limited to their own understanding and feminine views of their world. A man’s never gonna understand periods or childbirth from a 3rd person perspective, and neither will a woman understand the male experience in 1st person. Case studies and 1st hand accounts of transgenders who’ve flipped are enough (as if more proof of experience was needed) that the female experience is so totally different to the male experience of being that anyone who considered them equal should have been ranked amongst the dumbest human beings alive. The truth about male power is that men have always generated power… Read more »

Sun Wukong
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Sun Wukong

It is amusing to me hearing women I know now introduce me to other people as “the most charming asshole I’ve ever met”. I’m a jerk. I’ve done no favors for them compared to my old Beta self. I’ve probably told them they’re wrong about everything they say I should do. They bitch to high hell about “Why the HELL do I like you so much?! STOP IT.” But they still introduce me as the most charming asshole they’ve ever met. You are correct, Rollo. Women should be denied the opportunity to define masculinity from their perspective for their own… Read more »

JT McMahon
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All too true, everything here written.
It has decisively infiltrated the military even – to our peril.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hc45-ptHMxo

How did we get outflanked?
How did this become the message?

Can it be intelligently/efficiently course-corrected if there is no knowledge on precisely how/where the disease started.

Speculation: start time seems to correlate with the ready availability of mass communication i.e. radio, television, so that by the 1960s the misandrist ethic was already well established.

JT McMahon
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JT McMahon

This living compendium of work is the spearhead of any hope we may have – illuminates the condition and the evo-bio-psycho vectors-of-force on why it is so.

Sincere gratitude and thanks, Rollo.

Playdontpay
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@ walawala Seconded! rugby 11’s incessant posting of video links has been pissing me off for a while. There may even be some good content in SOME of them but I wouldn’t know because it’s impossible to take anything he posts seriously due to the sheer volume of video links he posts. It’s like the boy who cried “wolf” too many times, in the end nobody gave a shit and everyone ignored him. Ruby 11 do yourself, your credibility as a poster here and all of us a favour and reign it in, I’m tired of having to scroll past… Read more »

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@Rollo: revisited topic, but I understand the need for it due to the recent events.

Also… Now Monica Lewinski has joined in on the MeToo bandwagon. She is a bit late for the party (in more than one way).

@Sun: that AMV was indeed funny. “It must be titties” cracked me up.

M Simon
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“the need for men to get in touch with their Jungian feminine sides as a means to better identifying with women ” It is useful to know your “heart” . It is very unwise to give it to a woman. I let mine connect with my heart all she wants. I never make the effort in the reverse direction. But to use it as a means of getting laid? Well the process of giving that up started at age 18 for me. And another thing. Being able to identify with a woman is very handy for sex. It helps you… Read more »

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Sam Botta (@sambotta)
February 26, 2018 at 7:10 pm

“After a shooting spree, they always want to take guns from the people who didn’t do it.” -William S. Burroughs.

It has been going on for a long time.

The disease is the desire for control. He talked extensively about that desire in his books and his movie appearances.

What to took for ===> When the rulers get to the “Pack up your ermines Maggie. We are blowing this joint” stage.

“Pack your ermines” was a favorite line of Burroughs.

Nicolae Ceaușescu didn’t pack his soon enough. It happens.

Sun Wukong
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@IAS

It’s even funnier when you’re familiar with the character they’re focusing on. My stomach was hurting after the first time I saw it. Couldn’t have been a more perfect musical choice for him.

M
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M

Hi Rollo, could you check your Facebook messages? I sent “The Rational Male” page on fb a message and would like to discuss something I think you’ve never quite touched on, something that I think is very important.

Appreciate it,
M

M Simon
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I was born in 1944. I grew up in an era when masculinity was revered. “We defeated Hitler.”

When ‘Hitler’ comes back who will the women turn to?

M Simon
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M
February 27, 2018 at 3:41 am

You could discuss it in the comments.

Rudd
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‘Where have all the real men gone’ …. Ive heard this so often from women all over the world in my travels last year, Europe, US, Australia. However, unlike Rollos point, I felt the majority of these women really are crying for the loss of the masculine male. I definitely dont see the epidemic as strongly as it seems to be portrayed here. I believe deep down most of the women I speak to, as friends and lovers know something is very wrong between the sexes. They inherently feel they ‘need’ a masculine influence backin their lives, but they dont… Read more »

Trent Lane
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First of all great picture Rollo. Agree that the school-shootings-because-of-toxic-masculinity and all-masculinity-is-toxic narratives are real, in themselves toxic and bullshit, of course. But am doubtful about this: “Nikolas Cruz, like many other teenage shooters is the product of this feminine-primary education system, not a Patriarchal “teach boys not to cry” machismo school. He is a monster of their creation; one taught to cry on demand and emote like a girl. He’s the result of a participation trophy mentality that demonize men and masculinity to the point that he never learns how to bounce back from defeat, rejection or simply life’s… Read more »

Sun Wukong
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@Rudd

Male friends are for discussing those things with. Women need to know a total of jack and shit about those things.

scribblerg
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scribblerg

Plenty of blue pill pussies shaming other men here all the time. I always find it funny how many men here clutch their pearls when I speak to men like a man. The way I speak to men who I perceive as full of shit here is the way men used to deal with each other regularly. We enforced social order roughly, it wasn’t pleasant. You’d get told to “fuck off” or whatever pretty regularly. In no particular order… Nikolas Cruz – Uhh, he had all the classic markers of psychopathy. He was a late bedwetter, obsessed with fire and… Read more »

I.H.
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@Trent lane:

Keep reading and learning. It Sounds like you’re in the initial stages of your red pill learning. You’re still affected by the FI and blue pill conditioning and don’t even realize it.

And yes, even your mother.

MT
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MT

Hello everyone,

could you please specify which should be the best teaching style for males rather than for females? Thanks

I.H.
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@scribblerg:

Agreed 100% with what you have stated regarding the reasons for why women and the FI have gained so much power.

Our society could not be destroyed via revolution, but it could be destroyed from within. And that’s exactly what happened. A war was fought and won. And a shot was never fired.

kfg
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“How did we get outflanked? How did this become the message?” https://infogalactic.com/info/Caroline_Norton https://infogalactic.com/info/Tender_years_doctrine ” . . . start time seems to correlate with the ready availability of mass communication i.e. radio, television, so that by the 1960s . . .” Gutenberg was not in the business of selling Bibles. The Bible was the demo. Gutenberg was in the business of selling moveable type printing presses, a business that proved to be a smashing success. Within 20 years of the Bible pressing Europe was awash in popular novels and newspapers, being pumped out of nearly every town big enough to stable… Read more »

kfg
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“could you please specify which should be the best teaching style for males rather than for females?”

Read old books. It’s all in there.

For the history of how we got here, read John Taylor Gatto.

Incubus_Rising
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@scribblerg: “The main shortcoming of Rollo’s analyses here is his singular focus on intersexual relations. What it fails to explain is why/how the femcentric order gained so much traction so suddenly?” “Without putting the politics/social drivers outside of intersexual relations into the model, you will never fully understand what’s happening to us.” I have been a reader of this blog only for the last two years. But I know one thing that Rollo has made is very clear that he wants to discuss “Red Pill” only in regard to inter-sexual dynamics. He does not want to discuss whether it is… Read more »

kfg
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kfg

“What it fails to explain is why/how the femcentric order gained so much traction so suddenly?”

See geometric progression. The suddenness is largely illusory, an effect of the latest doubling down.

newlyaloof
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@scribblerg I’ve read the book Shadow Men. The author talks about the strategy to crush the traditional family unit way back in the 20s. The book mentions, for example, how in one of the earliest Macy’s Day Parades, they paid women to ride the floats and smoke cigarettes as a show of independence and defiance. They paid for newspaper ads to further promote this image. The fix was in way back then. They knew if they could split up the family unit and convince half of the population (females) to enter the workforce, they would have doubled the workforce, which… Read more »

MT
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MT

@kfg thanks

Trent Lane
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Trent Lane

@ I.H. Very possible, thanks for reading and responding bro. My argument is to differentiate wording away from “women only see men as either draft animals or breeding stock” or “men see women as bitches” not because it makes me feel bad (it doesn’t) or it ain’t true (it is), but because in this general form it seems counterproductive and an easy trap for accusations of stereotypical thinking and rejecting the realities it represents. Even adding “women subconsciously see man as either draft animals” … or “as part of their hardwired sexual strategy women perceive man as either” … or… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
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Incubus_Rising

@Rollo: Another great article Rollo. And this sentence below serves as a warning to every blue pilled beta.

“A Beta who thinks he’s a ‘man’ and presumes entitlements because of that is a woman’s worst fear. A Beta transgressing into a manhood that the imperative didn’t give him is the making for a guy being considered a sexual predator.”

JT McMahon
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JT McMahon

Thanks kfg, interesting. Will read up.

Blaximus
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@ Incubus Yes. Trying to swallow the elephant whole won’t work for the average man and might just drive him insane. I watched Rollo’s latest appearance in a roundtable discussion talking about the Florida shooting, and he stressed again that he prefers to keep the political and racial stuff out of his work unless it’s pertinent to intersexual dynamics. The incursion of the alt-right ideology into red pill, or the attempts to interject it, will only hinder men’s true understanding in favor of anger and hate and raises the possibility of mindless violence – enter the Florida shooter replete with… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
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So then…….. 1. Women are under the impression that they confer personhood to men. 2. Women who DO NOT think the above have their identity under assault. 3. Men can protect anyone they want to protect but should only CONTINUE to protect women who they have sex with. 4. Honor, should be for men who are strong enough to enforce the borders of a country that serves the interests of MEN. 5……Therefore, our male paradigm has been needled and cherry-picked by weak men who sought to destroy our nation from within, and their effort will continue to be reinforced by… Read more »

scribblerg
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scribblerg

Re: KFG and VoxDay, lmfao. Just so we’re clear, Vox is calling for what essentially would look like a feudal social order. He never quite describes this clearly, but if you understand his criticism of classical liberalism (and some of the fruitcake “philosophers” he listens to), you get this is where he wants to take us. He will claim he doesn’t have some grand plan etc., which is true, as far as it goes. Vox sees the very idea of equality under the law and democracy as problematic. So you can follow him, he’s certainly much more of a consistent… Read more »

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@Blax: You said it a much better, thanks. I watched that video too. I will link it here.

One of the best conclusions in the video was “GAME saves lives”.

rugby11
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walawala playdontplay
sure won’t share or overshare more than one post after another.
play their are some really cool finds in what was shared.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201105/what-makes-man-man
http://www.knowledgeformen.com/what-makes-a-man/
https://www.quora.com/What-makes-man-a-man

“Yes I know my enemy, they’re the teachers who taught me to fight me.”
School, church, community…

scribblerg
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scribblerg

Yeah, let’s keep “the political and racial stuff” out of this conversation, cuz hey, that strategy is working so well for us, right? We are losing, not winning. Perhaps some of you have noticed? Let me break this down so even Blax can understand it. (He’s not stupid, he’s probably got an IQ of about 115-118, which for a black guy is pretty fucking smart, but he’s not with a bunch of black guys here…). Looking at what’s happening with the femcentric order without understanding the politics at work is like trying to understand physics by only studying Newtonian physics,… Read more »

Sentient
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Scribblerg Just so we’re clear, Vox is calling for what essentially would look like a feudal social order. Don’t read Vox, but it seems we end up in this territory either way. I see legions of serfs every day… and burghers, masters, Lords. Those who are king in all but name. At least in an actual feudal system there was an expectation of a degree of noblesse oblige. Vox sees the very idea of equality under the law and democracy as problematic. Sitting here in Teh Current Year, I see the same thing. All around us the limitations of democracy… Read more »

fleezer
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fleezer

“Women are under the impression that they confer personhood to men.”

i did fall outta my mom’s personhood canal, so they might have a point

“That’s also what all these shooting are about.”

these shootings, like building 7, are about creating massive cog dis. everyone fucking knows that building was pulled. the ones who pulled it know we know. they dare us to do something about it. and we don’t. so they shoot some more “kids” lol.

it’s a game. pickup is a game. life is a game. might as well have fun while you play

kfg
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kfg

A good place to start reading old books for insights on how boys become educated as men might be The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin (which he began as a letter to his own son): https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Autobiography_of_Benjamin_Franklinhttps://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/148 https://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Benjamin-Franklin-ebook/dp/B0083Z40N2/ref=mt_kindle?_encoding=UTF8&me= Even from Amazon, the digital be free and shit. Both the price and the information. Project Gutenberg is your friend. All the old books are there – free. I’m also fond of Delphi Classics: https://www.delphiclassics.com/ They take free public domain sources (such as Project Gutenberg) collate, format and add supplementary material (criticisms, biographies, photographs) of authors, all for a couple of bucks. Can save… Read more »

Sentient
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might as well have fun while you play

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CH’s tried poolside… it’s hard over time if you have fire in you.

FoxGuy
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scribblerg, “Yeah, let’s keep “the political and racial stuff” out of this conversation, cuz hey, that strategy is working so well for us, right? We are losing, not winning. Perhaps some of you have noticed?” I hear you on the marxism and the post modernism, this however is not necessarily due or caused by a particular race. Once we go down the race road, we end up with tribalism based on raced, which will inevitably end up in conflict, not the preferred outcome. Some races have been used for certain purposes by the cultural marxists no doubt. Careful about going… Read more »

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Rollo, your blog (along with the ZFG-style Chateau) has become regular reading for me. I have to say, your blog has really helped consolidate ideas that have been floating around in my head for years. If there was a curriculum in “manosphere studies”, your blog would be the required reading for the upper level final year courses to help the students bring all the material together. It has helped me in my personal life and it has allowed me to build a solid sustainable masculine mental point of origin for everything I do. I recommend you look into writing about… Read more »

Sentient
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“which will inevitably end up in conflict”

All conflict at the edges, everywhere…

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fleezer
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“Or this guy?”

that fucking pussy, like all the other ones out there, could be molded into a killing machine

they would break so easily and quickly and then could be remade into gods. all of them. all the code inside us is the fucking same

that guy could be bedding 8s snl and sniping at the max of a weapon’s range in two years tops

the problem is no one wants to invest anything in him right now, because they don’t need him

inside every useless eater is a paleo monster that will destroy everything in his path to get what he wants

kfg
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kfg

” . . . if you only look at intersexual issues, you will miss what they are actually up to.” TRP is the physics. Social engineering is, well, the engineering. Which one has the other as its base? If you don’t understand the underlying foundation, you won’t understand the practice. And thus fail to understand what might be done about it. re: Vox Day. He has called for pure democracy. You have read Marx and Engels, ergo you are a commie? He has no grand plan, because he predicts (not advocates) that the matter will be settled the old fashioned… Read more »

Sentient
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Fleezer

all the code inside us is the fucking same

True. But not all have the mental fortitude. Grist for mills. Just look at bootcamp rejects…

Blaximus
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115???

Lol. No.

kfg
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kfg

“But not all have the mental fortitude.”

When I said in the previous thread that most cannot do the work of building a small boat and sailing it around the world, I wasn’t talking about the physical labor.

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@Rudd ‘They inherently feel they ‘need’ a masculine influence backin their lives, but they dont know how to go about it.’ There has been a definite change over the last six years. Lots of older men have simply stopped pursuing and checked out. There is also a serious change in social behaviour in that betas are totally avoiding any contact with women. I thought it was my imagination but it’s not. The gender balance in mixed Meetup groups in the UK which is the ‘go to’ place for singletons to meet has skewed to about an 80/20 split from a… Read more »

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@Rudd

‘She still needs to feel youre human, with imperfections, able to be vulnerable but with enough strenght and resolve to confidently get past those challenges.’

Errr nope. That’s the whole point of the post.

Vulnerability will snap her legs shut.. but sure, she’ll think you’re a really Nice Guy.

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@palmasailor “There has been a definite change over the last six years. Lots of older men have simply stopped pursuing and checked out. There is also a serious change in social behaviour in that betas are totally avoiding any contact with women. I thought it was my imagination but it’s not. The gender balance in mixed Meetup groups in the UK which is the ‘go to’ place for singletons to meet has skewed to about an 80/20 split from a 50/50.” That’d be the logical consequence of metoo, rape hysteria and the shifting of gears of the F.I. in recent… Read more »

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‘where are all the good men’ Well right now one has kicked out a date he had tomorrow night in favour of jumping on a flight to hang out with an old friend who’s going through hell with his ex. But more than that, we’re uninspired. I’ve been really wondering why I haven’t been putting the effort in to have the conversation / get the number etc… even when they’ve made it stupidly obvious. The truth is I’m uninspired with the options. If I can see the spark in her eye then I can turn it on and pull, and… Read more »

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@Trent Lane

Lol!!! Posts crossed.

For the record I do actually have a couple of plates..

Roused
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It’s highly unfortunate that men are assuming the only alternative to the Leftist things Scrib is referring to is the alt-right. Why the hell is that? Sane rational men need not gravitate to nationalism and racist shit. One does not need to seek out the alt-right in order to find alternatives to the status quo. There is more than one red pill….or so a few guys have mentioned. @Fleezer, you’re reference to Building 7 nailed it. It’s all Game, but multi-dimensional. Sure as hell we need to take the bottoms up approach. At the same time it’s not rational to… Read more »

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@Trent Lane props on your progress… almost there… Stumbled over this sentence tho: “I’ve made the comparison in the past that women only see men as either draft animals or breeding stock.” this is just BB or AF… and those two algos really don’t overlap… For some reason (maybe my own female imperative conditioning, I know, lol) props on the self-analysis…lol the word women in this context appears to me as a generalization. you’re not wrong…lol… it’s either AWALT or not… and yes, that IS a ‘generalization’…lol… which is never the less true… Maybe it’d be better to say “the… Read more »

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Palma

“But I don’t see any spark in any of their eyes. ”

The next stage of game is enjoying this and turning that lack of spark, indifference or even comtempt into lust.

I enjoy that quiet moment when uou know she has no idea what’s coming but you do, and you have that contemplative last sip and mentally rub your hands together “Here.We.Go!” and off…

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“Just look at bootcamp rejects…” I was 18, E1, in boot camp. It wasn’t all that hard work. It was mentally difficult for some tho. The DI yelled for a volunteer, I volunteered, and maintained the cleaning closet and the DI offices. (Later learned this is called the “house mouse”). I used the position to keep away from toilet duty and dig through to the goodie package closet for my friends and distribute contraband food and such. It worked out well for all. There was one guy (there’s always one) who soon after Day 1 would go “sick call ranger”… Read more »

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Forgive me for posting repeatedly but I’m processing this in real time.

There’s no spark because they’re exhausted.

They’re not strong and independent at all and pretending they are is exhausting and frustrating them.

They need a man to have their back but we’ve got to a point where all the men are too busy watching their own backs to worry about anyone else’s.

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Sentient
February 27, 2018 at 7:41 am

The further from the founder’s test, the worse we have become.

Jefferson predicted that course of events.

Blaximus
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M Simon I was born in 1961. Smack dab in the middle of conflict and chaos. It was what was for breakfast every single day. As I’ve mentioned thousands of times, the blue pilled religious brainwashed merit based ideology showed itself as an illusion for as long as I can remember. The greater masses of disillusioned men coming to this realization currently are very very late. Yet I can empathize greatly with the anger, depression, suicide and dropping out many men are facing and trying to cope with. I intrinsically understand. They were sold a bill of goods that wasn’t… Read more »

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@Sentient

Of course.. but the thing is that I don’t enjoy it.

palmasailor
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In fact the bulk of women bore the shit out of me.

There’s just nothing there to work with.

No wit, no experience, no cute figure. Nothing but entitlement.

Sentient
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Sentient

Eh

“Kinda a perfect combo of arrogance, incompetence, and laziness to piss everyone off but not enough to care.”

City Council now?

kfg will be along to tell of fishermen being spilled out of boats. Society cannot have too many useless eaters, too many weaklings. TPTB try and force it on us but our very fiber revolts.

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With regard to @scribblerg commenting on how far left our society has become:

As an official old fart (60), it’s shocking how successful the left has been at subverting our culture and institutions. And it’s obvious that women have been used as a tool by the left to help cause this radical shift in our society.

Socialists understood that they had to remove the bulwark of strong traditionally minded men from the family, the education system, the media, the courts, corporations, in effect, the entire culture.

Their agenda has been incredibly successful.

Sentient
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Palma

“No wit, no experience, no cute figure. Nothing but entitlement.”

You may need to try some different venues mate.

Blaximus
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I.H.

It hasn’tONLY been the ” left ” or ” socialist ” historically that sought to target and remove men from families. Not historically accurate, and that ” history ” is just as available as the socialist imperatives. Hell, it predates it.

Sentient
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Sentient

Now now Blax. Passover is a month away yet…

palmasailor
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@Sentient

It could be that I’ve just had enough of the game as a lifestyle.

I think I’m right I’m thinking that for you it’s a supplement to a marriage and so it’s still fun.

I’m not finding it much fun to be honest.

Don’t all shoot me!

M Simon
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palmasailor February 27, 2018 at 9:12 am I see married women desperately unhappy too. Looking for a spark and not finding it. One I run into every week: She sees me and the LTR and decided that she wants me and will divide me from the LTR. I play along. The LTR pretends not to notice – it has been happening so regularly over time that she has learned how to play. So I flirt heavily. And go home with the LTR. We (LTR and me) have noticed she is starting to send overt sexual signals in a very non-sexual… Read more »

Blaximus
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Lol. I’m not now nor have I ever been what could be considered as ” religious ” .

j
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“You may need to try some different venues mate.”

+1

palmasailor
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@M Simon

Well I’m not that young but I would think the unhappy switch is turned on in most women mid 30’s and that’s where it stays.

Dread game is excellent…

If I’d understood this stuff 30 years ago my life would have been different in a lot of ways

Sun Wukong
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@Palma, @Sentient

No wit, no experience, no cute figure. Nothing but entitlement.

You may need to try some different venues mate.

I can second this. I mean, you probably won’t find much of the wit (the female art of seduction has long given way to just overt sluttiness) and you won’t be able to escape the entitlement (without a country change, that is…), but the experience and cute figure are quite doable. Granted I’m struggling a bit here in Austin, but it ain’t because they venue didn’t deliver a change. Lawdy it did.

I.H.
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I.H.

@Blaximus,

I didn’t say only. And I have a pretty good idea with regard to the “history” (using your quotes) you mention but I’d rather not speculate.

So I’ll ask: what history are you referring to?

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@Scribblerg, Rollo chooses to niche and concentrate on intersexual dynamics. For knowing so much about socialism, it surprises me that you would urge Rollo to get into the political, racial fray even though by doing so, he’d most likely become a primary target, and his readers in corporate America may get his site banned from their viewing privileges. Let the man niche. We’re smart enough to find the other sites that talk about that other shit. When I was young, I read all about slavery in America. Decades later, I read that some 98% of slave ships were owned by… Read more »

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status confirmed

@Rudd- cosign what palmasailor said. The most important thing I’ve learned from Red Pill essays and discussions is that you don’t discuss your challenges with your woman. That type of partnership just doesn’t work. When you’re struggling with something, discuss it with men who know how to solve your problem and can give you good advice. But don’t discuss it with your woman. She’ll give advice or suggestions that generally won’t work for you. She’ll resent you for giving her something else to worry about (your competence, their future), and she’ll resent you when you ignore her advice. And that’s… Read more »

j
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“I would think the unhappy switch is turned on in most women mid 30’s and that’s where it stays.”

Yeah that’s true (YaReally wrote about how he avoiding 30+ year old women). I stick to venues with young girls (20-28). Main reason I wanted to bang 30-38 year old chicks was just to prove to myself that I could but it may not even be worth it:

https://medium.com/vandal-press/are-you-happy-eb176c1c1589

palmasailor
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@Sun Wukong

Last time I was in Dallas I pulled a 2 set in a bar I stopped off at before the hotel having just got off the flight and ended up with one of them..

That was fun!!

Sentient
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Palma

“It could be that I’ve just had enough of the game as a lifestyle.”

That’s fair and to each his own. I’m suggesting though that rolling into positive feedback loops is just a low rung on the game ladder. If you choose to go further a next step is taking these now dead women and turning them on to you. This is where Game really starts. Turning these situations around.

No requirement to do this of course.

At the end of the day Game is about psychological domination, do as much or as little as you enjoy.

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@j

Completely correct..

Sun Wukong
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@palma

Yeah, if you’re looking for mid 30s chicks Dallas is full of them. Just not my thing. Moving to more of a college town worked wonders for me. Dallas has a lot of desperate 30ish chicks screaming toward the wall though. They’ll hurl themselves at you with everything they’ve got.

fleezer
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fleezer

“Just look at bootcamp rejects…”

if you gave eric schmidt that guy’s code and let him do his work out on his ships in peace, he would deliver an army of supersoldiers that would scare the shit out of even the most hardened warlords

if schmidt can bring it out of that guy, then so can that guy – he’s just using the wrong tools on the wrong problems

the male code that emerged from that last bottleneck is strong. very very strong

Blaximus
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I.H.

I don’t like going into specifics and trying to lead anyone into anything other than rational thought. Lots of people find overtness offensive and instead of looking at truth, work hard to discount it as ” feelz ” or whatever. That’s why I said that the information is readily available.

palmasailor
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@Sentient

I can do this and if I turn it on then I usually nail it if I try.

What I’m getting at is that it isn’t any fun.

Understanding what you’re doing so clinically actually turns me off.

That’s what I’m struggling with.

Blaximus
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Blaximus

…. Shit. Forgot to add: available from multiple sources over hundreds of years.

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@Sun Wukong

Perhaps I’ll head over on vacation!

I did well on Florida as well a few years ago.

Pulled a solid 9 trust fund babe in a hotel bar there.. she was incredible..

I.H.
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I.H.

@blaximus,

I’m not asking you to lead me anywhere. I’m just asking you to simply state what you’re referring to.

M Simon
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palmasailor February 27, 2018 at 9:52 am When you have abundance at your fingertips – it gets boring. So up your game. “Only threesomes with a pair of 7s or better.” Plenty of women will go after you 1 on 1. The number who will do it in the presence of their rival is small. And they are way more dedicated. Until they figure it is useless. The advantages of having a partner with ONE-itis. The LTR loves giving the rival every advantage and then taking me back by wanting me more than the rival. It confirms her (female) strength.… Read more »

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newlyaloof
February 27, 2018 at 10:02 am

What was left out of your history was that Muzzies captured the slaves. And they still do.

And the Jews? It was a very profitable business. And at the time totally legal.

Jews seem to have a nose (lol) for profit.

Sun Wukong
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Sun Wukong

@M Simon

“Only threesomes with a pair of 7s or better.”

Or see just how fast you can make everything happen. Gotta admit even I was shocked by the first time I pulled a chick in less than 5 minutes in front of a friend. Or the many times I’ve had women hop in the sack the first time meeting me in person (happened a few times even when I was Blue Pill). Or how many different ones you can bang in a 24 hour period (think mine is 3)….

palmasailor
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palmasailor

@M Simon

I’m coming across like some blubbering incel..

I’ve been a total player for quite a long time now and I’m bored with it as a lifestyle.

Very few commentors here are In my position. They’re either in marriages where it’s some spice on the side or they’re younger.

Constantly having to game at my age and fend off the provider hunters into a plate rotation takes its toll.

I probably need more plates to be honest. The harem is probably the solution for me in the long term

Trent Lane
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Trent Lane

@ having a bad day You have a point, I don’t deny it lol. It was a misunderstanding on my part, I did not get that “draft animals or breeding stock” is meant as AF/BB underlying and transcending all areas of society. I (wrongly) understood it as “women o n l y perceiving men as “draft animals or breeding stock as direct sexual strategy” i.e. no other dimensions of interaction or perception possible, like say a woman talking to her pastor or the electrician or the guy behind the counter or whatever the fuck. But you are correct, AF/BB as… Read more »

Roused
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@Newlyaloof Rollo chooses to niche and concentrate on intersexual dynamics. For knowing so much about socialism, it surprises me that you would urge Rollo to get into the political, racial fray even though by doing so, he’d most likely become a primary target, and his readers in corporate America may get his site banned from their viewing privileges. Let the man niche. We’re smart enough to find the other sites that talk about that other shit. Totally agree about Rollo and his niche. Rollo knows what he is doing and doesn’t need Scribber, you or myself to tell him what… Read more »

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