On Saturday I had a great discussion with Anthony Johnson, Rian Stone (Married Red Pill Reddit) and “Carl” from Black Label Logic. The topic was a critique of the impact Dr. Jordan Peterson is having on a society of ‘lost’ (mostly) young men and how his message is affecting this generally rudderless generation of men. It’s a little over two hours long, but from the overwhelming response on YouTube, Facebook, Reddit and other forums it’s definitely struck a nerve. As an aside here, I’m considering making this meet up video format something I may do semi-regularly (like every other week) with some of the men I consider peers in the manosphere.
You can watch this talk at your leisure, but it has taught me a few things. As I mentioned in the chat it’s next to impossible to have any disagreement or critique of people whom other’s believe are your betters. As Rollo Tomassi it’s impossible for me to be critical of any high profile guy in the sphere without the accusations of professional jealousy or sour grapes being the first reflexive response from haters. I got that, but I’ve learned the conversation is more important that trying to convince anyone of it being genuine. In fact, I think it belies a bigger problem when they are above critique.
That aside, I think it was good to finally parse where Red Pill awareness and what Peterson is advocating have some overlap and where we differ. Peterson is a fountain of hope for the ‘lost’ boys, so anything critical of his message is going to sound like it’s endorsing an “enjoy the decline” mentality. I can’t expect everyone to have read up on my own opinion about that, but the short version is that I’ve never been convinced of some inevitable decline and fall of western civilization. In other words, I think it is possible to turn the ship around; where I may differ is in how that might be done.
For the record here I want to say that I have a great respect for Dr. Peterson. I think he’s what the sphere has needed for a while and I think he fits the role of ‘champion’ that a generation of young men have wanted to place on someone. Ideologically I agree with about 85-90% of what he advocates and there’s no doubt that he’s got definite skin in the game. In fact I really hate it when people use that as some catch phrase to disqualify men today. As a man weĀ all have skin in the game now. How much and to what degree may be debatable, but we all live in a feminine-primary social order and as such we all have a lot to risk whether we acknowledge this or not.
Where I differ with Peterson is in his very Trad-Con solutions to turning the ship around. I wasn’t shocked to see him endorsed in videos for Prager University. In some ways what he proposes resonates with young men looking for a direction because their fathers and generations of Blue Pill men haven’t been able to deliver a way out of Hell for them. I go into this in more detail in our talk here, but here are some of my issues with Peterson’s take on things:
ā¢ Life is suffering and sacrifice: In every video I’ve watched Dr. Peterson’s founding (zen-like) premise is that life is suffering and the best men can do is to find ways to minimize that suffering. Men (and I’ve yet to see a video addressing women) must sacrifice parts or all of themselves in order to qualify for “genuine” manhood. The degree of that self-sacrifice is relative to how high a status that man can achieve.
I fundamentally disagree with this premise though I do understand why it’s so appealing to a ‘lost generation’ of young men. From my own perspective, life is based on a perpetual discontent, but how a man deals with that discontent ā creatively or destructively ā is the measure of him. Furthermore, I would argue that women fundamentally lack the capacity to appreciate the sacrifices men make in order to facilitate their reality.
ā¢ Blue Pill conditioning seems to define his perspective of women: Essentially the archetype he has for women was formed for him as a 7 year old boy when he first developed a soul-mate ONEitis for his wife. His reluctance to acknowledge the Alpha Fucks side of women’s Hypergamy in any video (beyond his repeated use of 50 Shades of Grey as a humorous example) leads me to the impression that he defaults to women as innately ‘good’ and above too much criticism. As such he focuses almost entirely on the good provider / parental investment / Beta need side of Hypergamy. This is unsurprising as it follows the same Trad-Con interpretations of women being “closer to God than men” and men must qualify themselves, and sacrifice themselves for women’s (wives) intimate approval. Dalrock has covered this dynamic among male “complementarian” Christian leaders quite extensively.
ā¢ Sacrifice of men is a parallel to men’s disposability: Men willĀ blow themselves up for pussy. From what I gather from his talks Peterson endorses male disposability as a form of Honor. He seems to play on the ‘Man Up / Shut Up’ dynamic I talked about inĀ The Honor System.Ā What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a manās masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.Ā I’m not suggesting Peterson is accusing men of Patriarchy or Misogyny, rather, like most Trad-Cons, it’s a question of living up to one’s duty as a man in his disposability and his usefulness in that sacrifice.
ā¢ “Get your shit together” is also a plea for sacrifice: If a man is less valuable his sacrifice is less meaningful. No one cares about mediocre / average men’s sacrifices, but if a man accepts that he is to improve himself it is so that his sacrifice is more appreciated and important. Thus, the comparisons to Christ’s sacrifice as being the ultimate expression of sacrifice and meaning which Peterson uses in his dissertations on manhood and the Bible. My issue here is that women and a feminine-primary social order lack a capacity to appreciate the sacrifices men make because these are taken-for-granted expectations of what a man just “ought to do”.
ā¢ Peterson is egalitarian to a fault: The mantra may be for men to sack up and make something of themselves, but this is couched in an egalitarian equalism that’s prevalent today. If I had one question to ask Jordan it would be this; is there a dominance hierarchy in a healthy LTR or marriage? I don’t know for certain. My guess is he would say it passes back and forth between a husband and wife which is to say he falls back on an egalitarian ideal. However, outside the family structure he acknowledges that men and women in a state of egalitarianism choose to adopt traditional gender roles (I think he gave the same example as was covered here).
ā¢ Dr. Peterson regularly resorts to shaming language with men, rarely does he do the same with women: This may be a simple question of his delivery, but Peterson is always harder on men than he is with women. In so doing he adopts the AMOGing of only men techniques that a pastor like Mark Driscoll uses from the pulpit. Inso doing he pedestalizes women and absolves them of any consequences of their Hypergamous choices by imploring men to “man up and marry those sluts“. In essence the sacrificial nature of men becomes one that is necessary for the continuance of ‘family’ and western culture in spite of women. I also see how this plays into the idea of women lacking any moral agency, personal responsibility and wiping the bad behavior of women off on the men who have allowed this to happen. Once again it comes back to the hypoagency of women.
ā¢ Peterson believes that desire can be negotiated: This is my biggest problem with Peterson’s approach to women. This undoubtedly comes from his being a clinical psychologist, but like most therapists he defaults to the idea that genuine desire can be motivated by a process of negotiation. If there is one example of his lack of experience with women it is this belief. In several of his interviews and podcasts he makes reference to appealing to women’s reason and negotiating terms for acceptable behavior (always a man’s behavior) in exchange for intimacy and/or a stress-free marriage. This is the egalitarian, Oprah Approved, male-sublimated means to achieving transactional intimacy.
As you might guess, I strongly disagree with negotiating intimacy. You cannot negotiate genuine desire. You can obligate a woman to fuck you (now called rape) via negotiation, but you cannot organically inspire genuine desire in a woman. This has always been my main point of contention with the marriage counseling trade for a long time.
What is the Red Pill version of āman-upā?
I had a commenter ask me this in the last comment thread. I think thereās two sides to this question. First, I think thereās a need to keep the Red Pill (in the intersexual sense) as close to an objectivist purpose as possible. That means Red Pill awareness is the result of a continuing praxeology.
Iāve locked horns with a few Red Pill guys recently who seem to think that ‘Red Pill’ is an ideology and itās just the counter revolt to feminism; basically it is feminism for men. I think that does a huge disservice to everything and everyone thatās brought us to where we are today in Red Pill awareness and all of the work and personal risk that was put on the line to explore what we know as Red Pill awareness now. Not only that it casually devalues the effort and work thatās continuing right now.
Critics and feminists alike want to draw parallels in the manosphere to whatever (fictitious) wave of feminism they think applies to whatever the Men’s Rights Movement is calling Red Pill at the moment. Believing that Red Pill is an ideology is one more casualty of how the term / brand has been bastardized by other ideologies who’ve never had any business referring to themselves as “red pill”.
Presuming Red Pill is just an ideology is juvenile, and unsurprisingly itās an opinion of some underexperienced men in the manosphere who want for simplistic answers. They donāt want to think about what Red Pill awareness implies on a larger social scale. They want a flag to wave and an easy to understand ideology so they can stick it to their feminist enemies. I get it. They want Red Pill (however they define it) to be that ideology, but to me, I think, and Iāve always said it, the Red Pill needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, areligious and amoral to ensure that it stays true to understanding truth. It needs to remain true to being an aggregate of men’s collected experiences with intersexual dynamics.
What these guys want is a meaning to that truth, but thatās not the Red Pill. Meaning is what men will apply to that truth according to their individual needs, situations and circumstances. This is why Peterson and probably some more personalities to follow him will be popular in the future; they prioritize meaning above truth. If you listen to the first podcast of Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson they spend the entire time trying to come to an agreed measure of truth between the two of them so they can move on (in the second podcast) to what is meaning.
You want to know why I donāt do prescriptions on The Rational Male? Because we disempower ourselves when we follow someone elseās path and not our own.
There is a deep need in almost all people to improve or āfixā ourselves in some way. Iāve written essays about it; discontent is is the human condition. That in no way means that life is suffering as per the Peterson (Zen) doctrine, but it is manās condition to never be satisfied with even the greatest of accomplishments. That is what put us at the top of the species contest on this planet. You can be constructively or destructively discontent, but when you tell me that life is suffering and the only way to lessen that suffering (never to solve it of course) is to sacrifice my way to a better life all that says to me is that youāre out of ideas for a creative solution and youāre all-in on the destructive methods. Either that or you’ll continue naval gazing.
Fuck that.
So, the Red Pill needs to remain a praxeology and it ought to always resist being force-fit into an ideology because itās always some ideological hack who wants to claim the truth it reveals as proof of his own purpose. The Red Pill has to remain an open source aggregate of menās experiences. Thatās why weāre still here today in spite of the Rooshs who said it would die out 3 years ago ā itās open source and decentralized information.
Now, to the second point, what does āMan upā mean in the Red Pill context? I think this is really for the individual to decide, but Iād say that it would involve a man utilizing and internalizing the awareness the Red Pill represents to him and improving his life with it. In the Safety Net postās comment thread there are hundreds of examples of how men saved their own lives, often literally. How the Red Pill truth reached them and then manifested in their lives is highly individual. I mentioned the need for a dissociation with ideology because that usually means aligning oneself with the expectations of someone elseās version of truth, not the objective (or as objective as we can make it) truth of the Red Pill.
When I hear āman-upā, I identify the context only as derogatoryā¦ is there any other definition which is not?
It should, because in almost all contexts imploring a guy to “Man Up” is following someone else’s path, not your own. This is what I mean when I say that I’m not in the business of creating better men, I’m in the business of men making themselves better men. And in today’s world of men seeking direction there is no shortage of personalities who’d like nothing more than to profit from selling men on their paths.
If there is a definition of āmanning upā in a Red Pill sense it is living a better way than your previous life that was informed by the falsehoods of your Blue Pill conditioning. Manning up Red Pill is killing off that old Blue Pill-created persona and killing off the false idealisms it taught you. Itās understanding and internalizing that those lies made you a less authentic person because the Blue Pill is firmly an ideology, but one that wears the mask of freedom or choice or individualism. If self-improvement in a Red Pill sense entail some basic tenets, one is that a man cuts himself away from that old Blue Pill paradigm and rebuilds a better life for himself based on a real understanding of intersexual truth on the personal, social and political scales.
Manning up Red Pill begins with rejecting the lies of egalitarian equalism and a commitment to real objective understanding of intersexual dynamics.
msimon… you post some good shit here, especially as of late but this “let’s convince women thru rational reasoning to totally change their reptile brain behavior’ seems downright ineffective at anything of scale and thus a foolish waste of time from their perspective, they have no incentive to change… everything is working to their perceived benefit currently what can be changed? men, from the bottom up; spend your time helping 2 other men learn RP and you will have also helped the countless people (women, men, children) encountered by these men in their subsequent RP life; this will be exponentially… Read more »
Sun Wukong
February 15, 2018 at 3:50 pm
Yes. Quite so. Having to tell the truth would devastate the FI.
BTW for those of you concerned. This is a useless prescription (tell the truth) for hook-ups. Temporary relations. etc. This is for LTRs where she has ONE-itis. And it probably won’t be easy even then.
JP does use it to great effect. “Based on this evidence, it actually works like this……”
With your LTR you can just cite her emotions.
Jordan Peterson so smart get him to explain why my dishwasher donāt get along with my sandwich maker ? He such a smarty pants and all that I would like to know what the color seven smells like ? So I can figure out whatās going on between my dishwashers ears
dr zipper February 15, 2018 at 4:35 pm but this āletās convince women thru rational reasoning to totally change their reptile brain behaviorā seems downright ineffective at anything of scale and thus a foolish waste of time You haven’t been paying attention. I don’t propose reason AT ALL. It is not what I used with the LTR. I just read back her emotions to her. “When I do ‘this’ it makes you feel like that.” Assuming you are reading her correctly – she either has to accept the truth or deny her emotions. She will deny her emotions for a… Read more »
M Simon Honest women tells reminded me of this old 51 ford truck. A customer came in and wanted the thing out of his yard, it was abandoned by some guys he was trying to help they did give him the title, so I bought it from him. These guys that left it had changed the engine to a 255 merc and never got it running. Turns out it was positive ground and they had it wired negative ground. I drove it into the shop that night and hooked it up to the scope, the pattern was upside down. Basically… Read more »
I have been amused lately by all the “woke”ness on the left.
I’m betting that when they really wake up they won’t like it.
boulderhead February 15, 2018 at 5:33 pm If you can add the dimension of knowing what she is feeling as she feels it you can get the information you need much faster. To do that you have to be able to make yourself very quiet. At peace. And then you have to pay attention to her. It gets interesting when you can tell her more about her feelings than she knows herself. Think of it as learning their language. I have found it very useful. Having practiced it for so long with the LTR I find that I can do… Read more »
mimon-
lol, okay I might not be getting you exactly; prolly seeing it in action would be much easier to understand what you mean
so pls hide a camera, edit/anonymize in post, then upload and send us a link
Simon if I get any more at peace they will be reading last rights. She is easy to read, they all have been easy to read as long as I can remember. It was just that I didn’t like what I was seeing. You see we can’t compare male and female values, one is negative ground and the other is positive ground. losing the egalitarian blinders shows us why the pattern is upside-down on the oscilloscope. I could go into more detail on feminine quirks, suffice it to say she is honest in her way and I must be honest… Read more »
M Simon “It gets interesting when you can tell her more about her feelings than she knows herself.” This is probably unrelated, but this sentence reminded me of this funny life experience. I was laying in bed with my fuckbuddy. I wanted to watch a movie, so I told her to go to the kitchen and make us some popcorn. This particular day, I was laying in bed with her all day (rare) and her roommates had left to go do girl shit and they had just come back. I could hear them talking in the kitchen. So as my… Read more »
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… I’m not as good at this as rugby is.
You’re way to generous on agreeing with Dr. Peterson 85 -90%, I give him 50%. He walks on eggs shells when speaking to women on the gender roles.
Blaximus
Im not that good at as you think i am.
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It’s not my mission in life to be a shit disturber. This is the third time Iāve showed up here after walking away twice. I canāt recall ever doing that in my life ā return to a place after walking away two times! And you guys keep taking me back. Something is going on. It’s not a troll thing, you guys honestly inspire this stuff that I post that everyone dumps on. That’s cool, it’s just fascinating that there’s such a massive dissonance. I respect the space – folks aren’t interested in this stuff. But I really am, so I’m… Read more »
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Man i would love to meet everyone here in person. Especially you Blax.
To any and all psychoanalyzers out there: here’s a taste of your own medicine. It might free you up some time… You characterize me as being lost and unformed (among many, many other things), as if thereās something wrong with me that needs fixing. Lol. You judge me for being lost because you are afraid to get lost. Very afraid, I think. And so you sit up on your perch, above the fray, posturing about how you got everything figured out and dialed in, evaluating, psychoanalyzing and judging people, and pointing out all their flaws and telling them how to… Read more »
Me too Rugby
Ah i meet to ass this as well
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Mitch is one sneaky fucker…
Is Christianity ā when distilled to its essence ā really about building a better beta? My hypothesis is that it is not, but letās find out.
There is evidence. No need to “find out”. Look at the evidence.
IMO Christianity’s biggest mistake was becoming part of Rome. The very thing Jesus railed about. Immoral authority.
Yeah. I know. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
Goofy fucker.
@mitch
Now you have me thinking, Ukrainicorns aside you are normally more sane.
I think you may have been drugged, it sounds like either steroids or antidepressents maybe ritilin. There are some roids in the meat but we aren’t seeing a pandemic so if you are on meds maybe get them checked by your doc. OTH if not you need to search the house and her car for something she may be slipping into your food.
Seriously.
Allen
February 15, 2018 at 7:51 pm
Youāre way to generous on agreeing with Dr. Peterson 85 -90%, I give him 50%. He walks on eggs shells when speaking to women on the gender roles.
Men’s strategy in the mating game is dominance. Women’s strategy as the weaker sex is to tell lies.
Now how far do you think he would get saying that out loud? The first half would get him cheered. The second half would get him shot.
M Simon
Heh, and they’d only cheer the first part because they didn’t actually understand what it meant.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-15/united-states-sex-survey-17000-women
65% of women find āconfidenceā to be the sexiest trait in a person, while only 7% cite āwealthā
Mitch sounds one step closer. https://youtu.be/4qlCC1GOwFw “Another theme is the idea that we have almost completely severed ourselves from our roots, the result being that we simply have no idea where we are going. We claim no tradition to ground ourselves in to provide a context for our journey. Iām talking about our collective journey as Western man. In my opinion this is a huge tragedy. We have squandered something immensely precious, and donāt even realize it because weāre so profoundly ignorant. (Blax, I mean the collective āweā, not any individual, or guys on this blog in general). The idea… Read more »
āNow how far do you think he would get saying that out loud?ā Once a week I scroll though TRM twitter feed. OOH, men point out the intersexually now-obvious to benighted men. Considering the incoming flak, Rollo is over the target. OTOH, overt-without-action declarations arenāt masculine…per the FI. Rollo: āI’m always a bit hesitant to say “Red Pill / Game saves lives” after the latest shooting. There are a lot of variables to consider, but RP awareness and Game savvy are definite benefits to men’s lives and can certainly deter this.ā Laid-on-the-regular guys donāt shoot up schools. Homicide, suicide are… Read more »
For example, studying how Europeans came to dominate Africans enables us to realize that there is nothing natural or inevitable about the racial hierarchy, and that the world might well be arranged differently.
The Europeans were smarter and by 1400 or 1500 the differential effects were beginning to show. Metallurgy. Gunpowder. Printing Press. Navigation. etc.
The smarter man beats the faster man. #1 – with a bullet.
What wins today? Brains – with running speed relegated to entertainment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/it-happened-parkland-shocked-florida-community-grieves-vigil-after-mass-n848531 Does anyone else notice a trend in the news predominantly presenting teenage girls visually after mass shootings? This has become a very well established trend; primarily presenting pictures of teenage girls and young women crying and hugging after mass shootings. Hell, it may be the primary go to pic shot required for broadcast in the aftermath of most catastrophies. Iām not saying it is the only type pic shown by all media, but It certainly is the primary and most common. Pics of girls holding candles, sobbing and hugging (theatrically or not) has become so common in the aftermath… Read more »
Good article in Rollo’s twitter feed:
We DO NOT Need To Redefine Masculinity, We Need To Rediscover It
https://www.andrewdonovan.ca/andrews_blog/another-mass-shooting-seems-like-a-good-time-to-reiterate-we-do-not-need-to-redefine-masculinity-we-need-to-rediscover-it
I remember being a red pill parent in 2017 when my 22 year old son showed a masculine bent. He actually got in physical fights. And got in lots of trouble for it. He’s better off from it. He learned self discipline, not self suppression.
NBTM
YEs but it’s not this
Itās almost as if the media is saying, āsee what happens when someone gets angry and commits violent acts?ā āSee what happens?ā āāPrincess gets upsetā
It’s that your media masters know how to target the amygdala to imprint events. In this case they use young girls because your limbic system instinctively wants to defend young girls due to procreative value… And the logical narrative run over the top of this emotional imprinting is “so we need to get rid of guns”…
It’s all very Manchurian Candidate…
āAnother theme is the idea that we have almost completely severed ourselves from our roots, the result being that we simply have no idea where we are going. We claim no tradition to ground ourselves in to provide a context for our journey. Iām talking about our collective journey as Western man. In my opinion this is a huge tragedy. We have squandered something immensely precious, and donāt even realize it because weāre so profoundly ignorant. (Blax, I mean the collective āweā, not any individual, or guys on this blog in general). The idea is not to āsaveā Western Civ,… Read more »
@Sentient
Yup, got it.
Thanks
The Europeans were smarter and by 1400 or 1500 the differential effects were beginning to show. Metallurgy. Gunpowder. Printing Press. Navigation. etc. The smarter man beats the faster man. #1 ā with a bullet. The scientific revolution. The second part of the Yuval Harari Sapiens Chapter– The Secret of Success: Quote: 2. Blind Clio (the muse of history) We cannot explain the choices that history makes, but we can say something very important about them: historyās choices are not made for the benefit of humans. There is absolutely no proof that human well-being inevitably improves as history rolls along. There… Read more »
SJF
February 16, 2018 at 6:58 am
…nothing some Ritalin and lessons on how important it is to “sit down and not move” can’t fix in a young man.
The parents have to OK the drugs. When they asked us we always said no.
“amygdala to imprint events. In this case they use young girls because your limbic system instinctively wants to defend young girls due to procreative valueā¦ And the logical narrative run over the top of this emotional imprinting is āso we need to get rid of gunsāā¦”
I love this sort of deconstruction; let’s do more, please
No strong nations fall to other nations. When a strong nation falls, it was already in decline. Then the victors get to wife/rewrite your history as they please, and future generations can only accept it as fact. I’m a fan of the words and thought attributed to Jesus, but I remain cognizant that he never met a ” Christian ” and would be horrified at what’s being done and said in his name. But none would have to actually read the words in the new testament without the color of organized religion in order to understand this. Rome was on… Read more »
“So why study history? Unlike physics or economics, history is not a means for making accurate predictions. We study history not to know the future but to widen our horizons, to understand that our present situation is neither natural nor inevitable, and that we consequently have many more possibilities before us than we imagine.” “he who controls the past, controls the future”. it doesn’t matter if what I read about historical events and people is true or even factual at all. what I *believe* happened is all that matters. history as a discipline is basically a psyop then – a… Read more »
Rollo. I always thought red pill was the relationship version of ergonomics. If ergonomic is the study of how men effectively work with machines and the environment. Then red pill is the study of how men interact with in relationships and how to be more effective and efficient at achieving the goals of different relationships. To be ones own mental point of origin so the delusions and illusion of the story tellers donāt hide the truth from the light of day that a man is not a tool but a tool maker. That he can have genuine original thoughts, dreams,… Read more »
@Sentient
The trailers / clips seem very applicable, almost chillingly. Iāve never seen the movie, will soon.
In the survey only 20% of women self-identify as Athletic / Skinny / Petite.
And almost 80% of the women self-identify their body type as Curvy /Average / Big & Beautiful / Voluptuous.
Just an observation.
Need to find something like adderall but way stronger……..
Knowledge.š
“Need to find something like adderall but way strongerā¦ā¦..”
https://illimitablemen.com/2016/05/24/master-monk-mode-with-modafinil/
I ran into an acquaintance at the gym yesterday. Based on my profession, he asked what could give him a cognitive edge. I told him. He wanted to concentrate better during tax season. And he wanted to perform better at competitive poker.
And he has sleep apnea and uses a CPAP. I told him to ask for a prescription when he sees his doctor this week, with his best poker face, because you know, he accidentally falls asleep at times during the day.
SJF: You canāt predict the future from the past Mitch, thatās your hindsight fallacy looking backward and your cognitive dissonance looking forward. So why study history? Unlike physics or economics, history is not a means for making accurate predictions. We study history not to know the future but to widen our horizons, to understand that our present situation is neither natural nor inevitable, and that we consequently have many more possibilities before us than we imagine. What’s so frustrating about you is that you seem to work overtime trying to misunderstand me. It drives me nuts. I read Sapiens too.… Read more »
@Incubus_Rising
And the bane of the dating scene.
“Where have all the good men gone?!”
“The same place your self control went.”
I don’t take any medication. I have popped a friends adderal a couple of times when I needed to focus on a big project. It helped. But I am not a fan of pills.
” . . . what could give him a cognitive edge.”
There is a reason so many physicists smoke pipes.
@SJF
Better prescription…
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Fleezer, “Rolloās work is on the verge of breakout. itās some nasty shit for most people to digest, but it cannot be suppressed because hypergamy is the core of the pill. everything else people are pitching is in the long run useless without the true understanding of female programming and Rollo is the one who figured it out and put it together in a way we can all understand” Right on with this observation, there is no way around the above, that’s the one thing I find positive about MGTOWs they have looked into the hypergamy abyss, granted the response… Read more »
” . . . we consequently have many more possibilities before us than we imagine.”
And most of them we won’t like very much.
@Sun Wukong
February 16, 2018 at 8:03 am
@Incubus_Rising
Just an observation.
And the bane of the dating scene.
āWhere have all the good men gone?!ā
āThe same place your self control went.ā
…hmmmm…no.
The same place all those aborted fetuses went.
” . . . the one thing I find positive about MGTOWs they have looked into the hypergamy abyss, granted the response is not optimal . . .”
And that is the fundamental error. Optimal is exactly what it is. Nobody wants optimal.
@NBTM:
I notice that Dr. Ratey does not mention Dr. Noakes in his dedication, who is way ahead of him and far more integrated.
Access to financially free and socially inconsequential abortion and use of the pill provides women the power to abort their natural relationship to Man and humanity, to life itself. This is one reason why we see Anglo Saxon culture die while being subsumed by other cultures less influenced. It is also the primary reason African Americans have never flourished as well as they naturally would have after emancipation.
Extermination or control of a species can be achieved by interrupting the species reproductive cycle.
I have a massive squirrel problem. I’ve avoided the optimal solution and am paying the price.
Now it’s time to optimize.
R.I.P.
…. The victors get to tell your story…. Lol.
@M Simon You asked me if politics should come from observation or ex-cathedra. In true JBP style I’ll have to say “it depends on what you mean” If you mean, should we use observation in order to form political conclusions? then I say yes. If you mean, should we take our political conclusions from those in authority over us? then I say, often, yes. What about when these conflict? Then I tend to personally favor my observation, whilst still remaining respectful of the authority others have. Honestly, though, politics is a game for the few rich and powerful, not a… Read more »
Re: Florida āIn an interview with CNN earlier on Thursday, Mr. Hogg expressed his frustration with politicians in simpler terms: āWeāre children,ā he said. āYou guys are the adults.āā This guy is 17. Iāll not get into the lack of masculinity, nor the female-associating, prewhipped as strength inpersonation. He strikes a demanding indignancy pose with no skin in the game. Heās no wiser than feminism pseudo authorities on the use of whiney power by legislation. And…without men with guns women theyād have little of that. Speaking of whiney… Talking to Mitch is inviting a unproductive drama shit show. He writes… Read more »
“There is a reason so many physicists smoke pipes.”
The poker player asked me if it was OK to smoke a cigar and have two drinks in his normal routine while playing poker during the seven hours sessions in relation to his cognitive performance.
I said sure. The cigar (or pipe, or chewing tobacco) is a way for your cognitive brain to focus on only one other thing when it is idle instead of to randomly thinking about all kinds of random things. That’s the way those fidget spinners work with the autists or the ADHDers.
I.e.
āshe said ohhh that book changed my life! So fuck, I take that as a sign I should read it.ā
A woman coos and he jumps. Take heed, men.
āI notice that Dr. Ratey does not mention Dr. Noakes in his dedication, who is way ahead of him and far more integrated.ā
WTF???
Is Ratey SUPPOSED to mention Noakes?
Is Ratey less credible if he does not mention Noakes?
Have you even read Ratey?
āWay aheadā āfar more āāintegratedāā….what the fuck does THAT mean??
Is Noakes your daddy?
I smell bullsit from your direction.
@SJF
Preciate it big dawg.
Rolloās work is on the verge of breakout. Dilly Dilly! I suspect he felt the momentum from JBP and this was part of his decision to go public. He is drafting JBP now, but will get the slingshot effect. [Pffft, did you not read my commentary about how I was planning to be a bit more public once the 3rd book dropped back in July? I don’t have much choice but to be a bit more public if I’m going to do things like the 21 Convention on the regular. The books are outpacing my persona and I’m finding that… Read more »
āwhat you are doing is playing small by playing safe.ā
takes some big balls to comment on another manās use of his scheduled executive time
ya know fleezer, I debated whether I should say that. I wouldn’t normally. But that seems to be the standard operating procedure around here. So what the hell.
@Mitch
@Rollo: Thanks for the link to your post “You Need Sex”.
One of the comments under the post are worth repeating here.
cryo
June 27, 2013 at 9:03 am
If the goal of Christianity is for humans to subvert their animal nature and achieve elevation, it seems to me that there is no longer any hope for Christian men. When the world around you has devolved into a sideshow of humanityās basest instincts, the call for purity, nobility, chastity, etc. will fall on deaf ears.
“Is Ratey SUPPOSED to mention Noakes?”
Given the subject of the book at least as much as he is supposed to mention Dr. Cooper.
“Is Ratey less credible if he does not mention Noakes?”
Mention? No. Acknowledge. Yes.
fleezer āhe who controls the past, controls the futureā. it doesnāt matter if what I read about historical events and people is true or even factual at all. what I *believe* happened is all that matters. history as a discipline is basically a psyop then ā a powerful one. exactamundo. Not Born: It is real. It is the exact opposite of source of disappointment. YMMV. Dr Zip: besides, my main point is that the FI is a natural counterbalance to the MI; we just need to set it back to a more MI-centric world state so that everyone can settle… Read more »
ā . . . we consequently have many more possibilities before us than we imagine.ā And most of them we wonāt like very much. Because what we should, by mindset, see as low hurdles, we make into high hurdles. Mentally making your hurdles lower is a gift when getting red pill awareness and practicing Game with unconscious competence. From the Glossary (at the end of the book) of Reality Transurfing: Quote: Choice –Transurfing proposes a fundamentally different approach to achieving oneās goals. According to this approach a person makes an order as they would in a restaurant without any consideration… Read more »
Not Born This Morning Doc Zipper definitely watch the Manchurian Candidate (1964). You may want to look into Project MKUltra as well Project MKUltra, also called the CIA mind control program, is the code name given to a program of experiments on human subjects, at times illegal, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency.[1] Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control. Organized through the Scientific Intelligence Division of the CIA, the project coordinated… Read more »
*sigh*
Accuracy matters.
SJF, you know you’re muh brother, but the history of China, Arab society and even parts of Africa would disagree with you on a whole lot, but let’s just take ” gun powder ” as an example.
Gunpowder, nor ” guns ” are a European invention. Innovative improvement? Yes. Mass production? Yes. Original concept? Nah.
I just looked up Noakes. Yes, he seems to be āfar more integratedā…. into the commercialization of ideas that are common sense, the applications of which cannot be achieved by monetary purchase. I have not read any of his work, it may be enlightening in some areas Ratey is not. Would have to read to know. But on the face, Noakes appears to,be selling himself and a system rather than simply reporting facts.
Ratey is primarily a fact reporter, a documentarian of reality rather than a salesman.
Suite yourself off.
@Dr. Zipper: “. . . the FI is a natural counterbalance to the MI . . .”
And vice versa. My work here is done.
“Inso doing he pedestalizes women and absolves them of any consequences of their Hypergamous choices by imploring men to āman up and marry those sluts”” He’s openly acknowledged hypergamy before, pointing out that women try to mate “across and up” in terms of “status”. He’s also pointed out that in terms of the big five personality traits women are more neurotic. He thinks that their nervous systems are evolved to be attuned with their babies’/childs’. There’s a lot to be inferred from that commutative property. If you read between the lines, it’s all there. He also couches a lot of… Read more »
” . . . Noakes appears to,be selling himself and a system rather than simply reporting facts.”
That might be a better description of Cooper (an MD) than Noakes (a research physiologist).
Keep digging.
NBTM
Keen observation — News in general more and more is presented from a female perspective, with a largely female cast and bit players. Hard news, feature news, sports news, you name it. Feelings, nothing more than feelings ,,,
Of course we have some male politicians crying it up for the cameras as well. Before they have to run back to the phone because a big donor is calling.
@eh
So quick to ascribe motive. it wasn’t because my woman cooed. It was because sjf talks about it All The Time, and the additional fact that my wife had gotten so much out of it was an indication that it might be worth my time looking into.
Mitch – āAwareness and intention equip you to stay out of the pendulumās game and get what you want with having to battle for it. When you are free from the battle you do not need confidence. If I am free from importance I have nothing to defend and nothing to conquer. I just go ahead and calmly make my choices.ā āAwarnessā does not occur without going into battle. You do not discover reality unless you engage it. All you are doing is avoiding it. You lose without even trying. In order to,learn, you must push boundaries, imagination is not… Read more »
Mitch my dear boy. You have your head so far up your ass that if you opened your eyes you would see the back of your teeth.
kfg
Did you read Ratey?
?
Hmmm
“Did you read Ratey?” As it is in my field of interest I have looked it over. Q: How do you become the breaker of new revolutionary ideas? A: Look through Victorian literature for the fads and movements of the day and write a contemporary version. Ratey’s book is a sales pitch for Neo-Classical Physical Culture. He even begins by quoting Plato on the subject, showing up front the lack of revolution in the ideas. You can get the ideas he’s promoting by going directly to the Greeks, as it was core to their entire view on life. And to… Read more »
Late to the table… lol @Novaseeker To āflipā him [Peterson] we would need to have someone who is an academic in the same (or quite closely related) field review the studies that are the basis for Petersonās views and build the bridge from them to the red pill, academically. This is a logical conclusion. And that’s why it’s wrong… lol I’m not trying to be an ass, but however sincere your solution is, it’s a logical approach to an emotional barrier. Mindsets and paradigms are not shifted by baby-stepping them, especially academically. Too often this results in meshing new information… Read more »
@O.B.I.T.
āNews in general more and more is presented from a female perspective, with a largely female cast and bit players. Hard news, feature news, sports news, you name it. Feelings, nothing more than feelings ,,,ā
…and gossip of course…which is all about more feeeeelings essentially….leading to more gossip….and the feeeelings about the gossip…leading to more gossip…then more feeeelings….
Just as Dr. Phil-a-shit prescribes, as he was a disciple of Oprah….
And they are but just a couple of ring masters in this plethora of shit shows.
@Mitch: “btw, Iāve got a copy of Transurfing on the way. I mentioned to my wife the other day that thereās this dood on this blog thatās really into this book, and her eyes lit up and she said ohhh that book changed my life! So fuck, I take that as a sign I should read it.” Jesus man, I hope you are not typing all this with your wife sitting next to you. You forgot the first rule of Fight Club. “So quick to ascribe motive. it wasnāt because my woman cooed. It was because sjf talks about it… Read more »
Oh noes. I heard an anchor on the ” news ” opine that ” no one, regardless of mental capacity, needs an AR15. That’s the problem “.
Shit. And I just got fresh ammo for the Bushmaster.
… I must be crazy ….
kfg
āLooked it overā
Read it.
I will pick one by Noakes that strikes my interest and read it.
Then, if you want, letās compare notes.
ā¦. The victors get to tell your storyā¦. Lol.
I wonder how they will tell ours?
“They turned everything over to their women!”
“HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”
“Dumbasses”.
@ lost
It’s a possibility. Feminism is playing a long game. Slowly changing perspective and trying to seize and redefine the narrative, and recodifying law and legislation.
We’re only 60-70 years in on a hundred year plan.