Zeroed Out

Last week I introduced a new concept in what most men can expect at some point in their lives. This is the idea of being Zeroed Out – basically men having most of a lifetime of status, financial equity, reputation, professional & educational growth, emotional investment and other metrics of men’s life equity being erased. I wanted to detail this a bit more here now as I think much of this concept gets easily misconstrued for men.

I think it ought to be part of any Red Pill aware man’s understanding that at many points in our lives we will be confronted with the prospects of having to rebuild ourselves. Failure, rejection and disappointment will happen for you, that’s just part of a man’s life, and it’s easy to rattle off platitudes about how many times you get back up being the measure of a man. But what I’m saying is there will be times when total reconstruction of your life will be a necessity.

You will be zeroed out at some point, and how you handle this is a much different situation than any temporary setback. This zeroing out is made all the more difficult when you confront the fact that what you believed to be so valuable, the equity you were told was what others would measure you by, was all part of your Blue Pill conditioning. At that point you need to understand that there is most definitely a hope for a better remake of yourself based on truths that were learned in the hardest way.

As I mentioned last week, it’s really easy to think of this as male victimhood or that a guy is complaining about his lot in life. Empathy, especially amongst men, has always been in short supply. I’ve learned the hard way never to bring up how sick I am, how bad my job is or how little sleep I got the night before in the company of 3 or more men – because I guarantee you that one has cancer, the other works in raw sewage and the last one’s an incurable insomniac. As men, our masculinity has classically been about how well we accept and adapt to adversity, so like I said, just mentioning a guy would be Zeroed Out at some stage in his life sounds like I’m saying “menz gots it so tough”. We’re supposed to take it on the chin and come back for more.

Guys will even get competitive with each other about how hard they’ve had it and how well they adapted to a bad situation. Others just don’t want to hear about another guy’s misfortunes, and others still will just say that men are living their lives wrong if a he bases his sense of self on the opinions of others – and women in particular.

The first two are simple to address. Men are in a general state of competition with each other even if this is only ever recognized as something going on in the social background. It doesn’t necessarily have to be vicious competition; even friendly rivalries are still rivalries.

It stands to reason that men will certainly be sympathetic with one another depending on circumstance, but that competitive nature is still something winners and losers instinctually understand. Out-group men will understand this state much more distinctly than in-group men (kin affiliation is an evolved survival adaptation), but even within that in-group there will still exist male dominance hierarchies. How those hierarchies are established is contextual to societal and environmental influences, but that they exist at all is often something our feminine-primary social order would like men to sweep under the carpet for themselves.

Qualifying Value

Competition is one thing, however, the idea that a man might base his life’s expectations, and his metric of success or failure, on external qualifiers is something I’d like to explore here. Social influences, family influences and men’s (often conditioned) subconscious understanding of how he can best effect intimacy and reproduction with women according to what he perceives are their expectations of him is a point of contention. If men feel Zeroed Out at various points in life, is that ‘zeroing’ just the effect of a man having built his personal integrity and equity on a foundation of Blue Pill sand?

MGTOWs are invited to correct me here, but as I understand it, this is a primary tenet of men going their own way – a rejection of women’s qualifying men’s personal worth based on their Hypergamous standards. I get that, but I would argue that there’s more to a man’s sense of self-worth than any qualifier womankind might place on him.

It’s no secret that Red Pill aware men need to understand the Game that they’re a part of and should indeed reestimate their personal worth based on this cutting away of oneself from their prior Blue Pill deceptions. This is why I believe every man who unplugs himself from his old ideals is, by order of degree, going his own way, but where he decides to go with it and how he decides to create value in himself according his new understanding is what’s at issue. Even in creating and building a new sense of self-worth there is still the potential of men becoming subject to losing that value irrespective of how he believes it should be measured.

I can imagine that whether or not a divorced man is ‘woke’ and living by his own terms, losing custody of and influence in the lives of his children can be something of a zeroing out for him. There are aspects of what we hold as our own personal worth that can be zeroed out no matter by what metric we think we should be evaluating it by. As I’ve always said, a woman should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it, but regardless, we still have intrinsic value that can be erased and it doesn’t alter the fact that women, family, career peers, etc. will be affected by it.

That said, it’s just an easy cop out to just say “Well, what you thought should be valued by others really isn’t, and because you thought it was, when you lose it you lose everything.”

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.

This is the third commandment from Roissy’s 16 Commandments of Poon. It has relevance here because it’s illustrative of how a majority of men think about prioritizing what metric to build their personal equity on. As Red Pill aware men it’s too easy to get upset at plugged in men who are blind to some of the simplest Red Pill principles. It’s easy to lose sight of the fact that most men are still Blue Pill and will fight you just for suggesting they might be wrong about the reality they find themselves in. They need that comfort even if they fail to see it will potentially be their undoing.

More importantly, we need to remember that the suicide rates I quoted in last week’s essay are based on men who built their own personal value on what their Blue Pill conditioning embedded into their psyches for a lifetime. That’s what we’re up against, and until more men come to unplugging this sad fact will continue. This is the gravity we’re faced with as Red Pill aware men trying to help other guys unplug. It’s not just about how a guy can get himself laid better; it might be about saving his life.

As I was saying in the last post, my brother in-law killed himself because he was convinced for a lifetime that by sacrificing every ambition and ‘doing the right thing’ he would be appreciated for it all. The Blue Pill quite literally killed him. He was convinced that he couldn’t live without his ONEitis of whom he’d made the “center of his existence”. Remove that center and he ceased to exist. Tragically though, his was only one story that mirrored countless more men’s. We live in a very dangerous age for men. The Blue Pill is even more of a liability today than it was in times past, because we live in an era that encourages men going all-in in their life’s investment in that conditioning.

Seeing that men build their sense of self-worth on this false ideology is obvious. And yes, we should make ourselves our own Mental Point of Origin, but more important is realizing that our lives depend on Killing the Beta and discarding the idealistic hope that our personal equity ought to be measured by a Blue Pill metric. One reason I take umbrage with Purple Pill hack ‘life coaches’ is because this is the dangerous value system they can never let go of and encourage other men to readopt.

Men will find themselves Zeroed Out at various stages of their lives, but if those guys are still mired in a belief set that the Blue Pill has convinced him is the only legitimate way of valuing himself he’s positioned to become another suicide statistic. And the real tragedy is that its this false evaluation that will lead most men to it – all the while he hears ‘atta boys’ and positivity thinking mantras from others who really don’t know what else to say.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Yollo Comanche
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@KL “I think most of the #metoo accused men indeed guilty creeps. The victims’ stories are generally quite consistent. Your hyperbole about “jail for just talking” is an unattractive beta overreaction that suggests you might fly off the handle if rejected in an intimate situation. That’s scary!” Yea so where have you been the last 3 years while I’ve been working my ass off to improve my life? Nowhere near enough for me to go looking for you that’s for sure. “I sympathize with divorcing parents. But I detect a strong stench of victimhood and inordinate focus on the worst… Read more »

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“Your hyperbole about “jail for just talking” is an unattractive beta overreaction that suggests you might fly off the handle if rejected in an intimate situation. That’s scary!”

I see not one but two hyperboles in the above sentence:
1) jail for just talking to women; and
2) you might fly off the handle if rejected in an intimate situation

Hmmm….

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

““I sympathize with divorcing parents.”

That’s now a bold stance, insight?

Such courage.

Women do this routinely. make a vaguely unassailable virtue signal as cover for their half-witted pseudointellectual drivel.

IRL
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IRL

Gents I have a Blue Pill buddy who is slowly starting to ask the right questions. He’s open to my Red Pill comments here and there, and is very successful in implementing and testing ideas he reads about in general. So I’m thinking of introducing him to Rollo’s book. The issue is… the first thing he’ll do is he’ll start sharing it with his wife. He does it with everything that makes him think and excites him. He wants to make his wife happy and he defaults to engaging her in everything he does, brainstorming and planning with her, sharing… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

Is he sharing your ad hoc advice to her?

If so, he’s not ready.

I’ve lost family friends oversharing. I liked the beta guys and they enjoyed the convos, but as you mentioned, they blabbed. Alpha up can’t be half assed. That might get him killed.

My best results were with almost zeroed out men. They lost the least, gained the most from TRM.

If you want to keep him as friend, take it slow and be his go to sounding board. That’ll keep you two connected.

Good on you.

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EhIntellect
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theasdgamer
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@IRL Need more info about your buddy’s marital situation…are they having problems?…what’s their fuck/fight ratio?…how long since they first started fucking?…kids?…how old are your buddy and his wife?…are they UMC?…is your buddy a natural?…have you seen how your buddy’s wife treats him in public? Any pointers to Rollo’s posts and other resources that would explain why you should not talk about the Fight Club? https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/22/just-get-it/ Suggest that your buddy watch Eyes Wide Shut by himself first, then with his wife and tell him to observe his wife’s reaction to the scene where the wife discusses her infatuation with the Navy… Read more »

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@IRL – I agree with your concerns (re security and talking about Fight Club), but one side point. Is Rollo’s book really the *first* thing to give to someone in his position? It’s great stuff but I worry it’s a little academic for someone who isn’t already emotionally sensitized to the content (like through a divorce or zeroing out). I personally learnt the basics of TRP on Heartiste – a much more lively setting – before coming to TRM to get a much better grip on what it actually meant. I wouldn’t recommend pointing your buddy at Heartiste (it’s not… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

Yeah 2011 Primer is good intro. Covers all the concepts and dynamics but leaves out the politics of Heartiste and the depth of Rollo. Which can be dark to a newb.

j
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@IRL

Get him the following books as a Christmas gift:

No more Mr Nice Guy
How to win and influence people
The Rational Male
The Manipulated Man

SJF
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SJF

@IRL https://therationalmale.com/2017/08/28/mitchs-red-pill/#comment-212425 And: https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/22/just-get-it/ Rollo: As I’ve written a thousand times, a cardinal truth of the universe is that genuine desire cannot be negotiated. The moment you tell your wife, your girlfriend, that you will exchange a behavior or attitude or belief or any other compromise for her desire you fundamentally change her organic desire into obligation. What she wants, what her hypergamy wants confirmation of, can never be explicated, it can only be demonstrated. If her desire is for you to be more dominant, her telling you to be so negates the genuineness and the validity of your becoming… Read more »

theasdgamer
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“How to win friends and influence people” a classic

mersonia
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SMV doesn’t matter in 2017 +

mersonia
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If you think SMV still matters you don’t understand women and the affect society changing has had on them

SJF
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SJF

IRL Let him know that this always happens in a Reconstruction from a Beta position. He will face this like a brick wall to climb over (ask me how I know that…): Illimitable Man MAXIM #24: “As her control increases, her attraction and respect decreases. As her control decreases, her attraction and respect increases. If a woman is with a submissive man trying to become dominant, she will utterly oppose him. She has accepted he is submissive and so she revels in the power her control gives her. If he becomes dominant, she loses the power and resources her monopoly… Read more »

SJF
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SJF

Here’s some good Bread Crumb starters for your buddy IRL:

The first thing I had to work on in MRP Game was Shit Testing. It is a foundational aspect of Game.

https://illimitablemen.com/2014/12/14/the-shit-test-encyclopedia/

And then how women argue:

https://illimitablemen.com/2014/03/09/how-women-argue/

O.B.I.T.
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O.B.I.T.

IRL
I started out with all six years of Rollo’s Best Ofs — and the comments were as important as the OPs. So all these various books and essays are fine but getting the advice and experiences from the comment sections is something your friend should be exposed to early on

theasdgamer
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How does SMV not matter, mersonia? Don’t higher SMV women give more subtle cues?

palmasailor
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@IRL

Is this coming from a position where your buddy is not getting his needs met?

Or… is he totally haaaaappy in his blue pill delusion but you think it would do him good?

Unplugging men can be a messy business as it’s an awfully big programming change in one hit so you’re likely to meet resistance unless he has realised something is wrong in his life

palmasailor
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@IRL If you try to pull him before he’s ready he’ll go straight home to his wifey and say : “Honey look at the nice books my good friend IRL has bought me I think we should read these together” You can imagine the shit fit.. I would say that there needs to be some indication that something is wrong before you go in too hard. I think we can all guess that something is wrong and that something is he’s not getting any sex and you’ve sensed this in your conversations with him. You probably need to get this… Read more »

cheupez
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@j
That reddit redpill post up there is the spot on.

I believe Red pill itself is unknowable since it presumes accurate estimation of what would be the evolutional optimum of each persons psychological settings, then acting from the premise that evolution has done it’s job despite what anyone else tells you. This is difficult, but being aware of it and on the road towards it is miles ahead of blue pill.

SJF
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Good points on going slow and testing the friend Palmasailor. Life is a dance. Make if fun. Not morbid. But back to the regular programming of Red Pill devotees: “Most commenters here have been down a long road, god knows how many are lurking and putting the pieces together but I imagine it’s a lot and that’s because it’s a slow difficult process. Time flies when you are doing things right. Otherwise, slow as molasses. You should look after your most valuable possession: Your Time and your Mind. Sentient and HABD’s most valuable lesson: Flip The Switch. Do the Work.… Read more »

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The Solitary Silver FoX

As i mentioned in other posts, i consider myself an Alpha Clown, not a tough-guy Alpha. And as much as i’ve mostly lived the Red Pill for my adult life, there is still that Beta bitch inside that years for a deep connection with a woman who i could partner up with. It can’t all be gloom and doom, but the older one gets the more clearly reality is understood. I deliberately removed myself from society to my remote country property 6 hours east of Melbourne 12 years ago at 39, to enjoy all of the lifestyle benefits such a… Read more »

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@SJF

When you can see the path looking back from the destination it’s easy to think that it could / should have been done more quickly

When you’re on a path and you don’t even know where the destination is then it’s difficult to speed it up, or at least it was in my case.

KL
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@Yollo @Incubus @EhIntellect “Where have you been while I’ve been working my ass off? Why can’t women just get it?” You don’t get a cookie for working hard. You get nookie for being hot. This high-strung, bitter entitlement is not attractive! Besides, you don’t want women who “get it”. You just want thin, pretty, sluts! ‘ “I see hyperbole in “you might fly off the handle if rejected in an intimate situation.” ‘ See Amy Shumer’s M’lady video. Resentful men who exaggerate the risk of talking to a woman are exactly the type who cry when rejected. It is uncomfortable,… Read more »

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IRL Talk to him about these slowly bring them into conversation… Use your own self and story about the basis of everything you speak about. 1. Denial – Still Plugged -In: “These game guys are a bunch of clowns, there’s no way this works on women. Women aren’t stupid. What a bunch of misogynists.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpKUBHz6MB4 2. Anger – Post-Red Pill: “This is ridiculous! Why should I have to jump through all these hoops for women? I just want to be myself. Why couldn’t I have been a Natural Alpha®? I blame my parents/siblings/teachers/God/liberals/feminists/media/society, maybe George Sodini, Andres Breivik, James Holmes… Read more »

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@ SJF Thanks as always for your insightful comments. Hopefully, I came across more “matter of fact” than bitter. I am concerned about her, and the family having dinners together is only a few nights a week as they are out in the world. So, I feel that the window where I can actively educate her is closing. My writing was imprecise as this wasn’t red pill as in don’t discuss fight club stuff. It was more reality checking. I would like to see her make the turn towards adulthood away from this extended college-based semi-adulthood. I am glad for… Read more »

rugby11
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rugby11

Was going to go to a funeral today… Someone who was helping at a local fire station died on the highway helping someone get out of a car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs4vgAGnHZg Took myself out… to the gym instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZD69I-_Kc Not good with death… Enjoy Love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co9MxavLjs0 I don’t have kids yet… But my sister the other day asked me what i though about her and the family i was built in. I didn’t say anything because all of it brought me here to you folks. Who i learn from and really care about even though me of you i haven’t meant. But… Read more »

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@ Palmasailor “When you can see the path looking back from the destination it’s easy to think that it could / should have been done more quickly When you’re on a path and you don’t even know where the destination is then it’s difficult to speed it up, or at least it was in my case.” You are speaking to the fucking choir. I never got the fucking memos. No one ever told me this shit. Until I got a tribe of men in real life and embraced the manosphere and then drilled down to valuable spaces in the manosphere.… Read more »

rugby11
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rugby11

https://soundcloud.com/thedirectorscut/episode-2-crimson-peak-with-guillermo-del-toro-alejandro-inarritu

https://soundcloud.com/thedirectorscut/downsizing-with-alexander-payne-and-taylor-hackford-ep-119

“Men will find themselves Zeroed Out at various stages of their lives, but if those guys are still mired in a belief set that the Blue Pill has convinced him is the only legitimate way of valuing himself he’s positioned to become another suicide statistic. And the real tragedy is that its this false evaluation that will lead most men to it – all the while he hears ‘atta boys’ and positivity thinking mantras from others who really don’t know what else to say.”

https://soundcloud.com/thedirectorscut/last-flag-flying-with-richard-linklater-and-andrew-davis-ep-110

rugby11
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rugby11

https://soundcloud.com/thedirectorscut/breathe-with-andy-serkis-and-matt-reeves-ep100 https://soundcloud.com/thedirectorscut/episode-96-blade-runner-2049-with-denis-villeneuve-and-rian-johnson “I can imagine that whether or not a divorced man is ‘woke’ and living by his own terms, losing custody of and influence in the lives of his children can be something of a zeroing out for him. There are aspects of what we hold as our own personal worth that can be zeroed out no matter by what metric we think we should be evaluating it by. As I’ve always said, a woman should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it, but regardless, we still have intrinsic value that can… Read more »

rugby11
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rugby11

https://soundcloud.com/thedirectorscut/episode-40-hacksaw-ridge-with-mel-gibson-and-john-polson

“More importantly, we need to remember that the suicide rates I quoted in last week’s essay are based on men who built their own personal value on what their Blue Pill conditioning embedded into their psyches for a lifetime. That’s what we’re up against, and until more men come to unplugging this sad fact will continue. This is the gravity we’re faced with as Red Pill aware men trying to help other guys unplug. It’s not just about how a guy can get himself laid better; it might be about saving his life.”

https://soundcloud.com/thedirectorscut/episode-51-julieta-with-pedro-almodovar-and-jonathan-demme

https://soundcloud.com/thedirectorscut/episode-1-bridge-of-spies-with-steven-spielberg-martin-scorsese

Markos Beers
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@KL “I sympathize with divorcing parents. But I detect a strong stench of victimhood and inordinate focus on the worst womens’ behavior from single men who have never experienced it.” Yes, your “intuition” tells you this, the one that is fueled by rationalization, which you believe is “mostly accurate.” https://books.google.com/books?id=xQ-e7N1Rm24C&pg=PT220&lpg=PT220&dq=razors+edge+women's+intuition&source=bl&ots=_Y-PAW46dr&sig=97yV9DV2T4bA6BClShPDhoe5FOc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicm-XMtovYAhUG6CYKHfhbBrUQ6AEIlQEwCg#v=onepage&q=razors%20edge%20women's%20intuition&f=false “I have never believed very much in women’s intuition; it fits in too neatly with what they want to believe…” Always loved that quote. Read it as a single 20-something, and has proven sadly (and I mean it) true in practice ever since. The accuracy of intuition is always unverifiable,… Read more »

The Solitary Silver FoX
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The Solitary Silver FoX

Here is a classic tale of a tragic, obsessive Beta… It’s really quite sad, but the reality for many males (not men) in this day & age… Don’t let this be you, gentleman…

sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1108837955848/suntan

boulderhead
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@Yollo

Congratulations, just the fact that KL has zeroed in on you as her target shows your progress out from under her control.

Look at it as a sort of extinction burst on her part. HT to Yollo.

boulderhead
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How to get past a herd of cats.

https://youtu.be/S7znI_Kpzbs

Yollo Comanche
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Yollo Comanche

@boulderhead

I’d say more about it, but when I go to type I keep laughing.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

@ SSFox

“This alone turns one a lot more resilient and Alpha, for sure.”

You’re partly right. You’ve gained competence. That’s one Alpha quality.

“And in my experience, i am glad i never had a kid with some woman who turns out to want to destroy my life like i read so often here”

Easy now Capt’n. Your solipsism is showing. There’s value elsewhere too.

“The stupid bitch” Dog talk.

You’ve made some good choices and I admit country living sounds nice. There is dissonance in your words and you recognize throughout your writings. That’s healthy and on you way.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“You recognize it throughout your writings. That’s healthy and you see room for improvement.”

That’s better.

rugby11
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rugby11

Being Zeroed out… Least for me…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0myCCFBjTQ
Ah fuck…. Here you go my deep morning terrors and odd connection to open sexual viewing’s…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXkVdR-kQIQ
Off to eat well and enjoy the sun…

palmasailor
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@ehintellect

‘Does a woman regret unorthodox Alpha sex in the morning?’

Nope.. they usually try to book another session in my experience

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Women’s intuition is a myth. Suspicion and feelz passing for intuition.

KL
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KL

@yollo @marko and company: You criticize my “feminine intuition”. But like almost every other commenter here, I’m a guy. That is how I know you are socially inept. You defensively jumped to the conclusion that I am a woman, simply because I considered women’s perspective. This is the type of social mistake that will kill your chances. Usually women are more subtle and aware than I am. They will notice bitterness, cluelessness, pettiness, spite, stinginess. They will notice whether your shoes are shined, whether you walk at an appropriate pace when they wear heels, whether your shirt is ironed, whether… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“My “intuition” tells me it will get worse, yet in this case I certainly do not want it to get worse. We are surrounded by lies, drowning in them.”

Great comment. Gaining a self preservational perspective is powerful. Move on with a better game plan, learn from missteps and ignore those that don’t speak to your heart.

There’s no need to autolimit your desires as there are plenty others that’ll do it for you.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“I’m a guy.”

I call bullshit. No f’ing way.

Honest question now: Does it concern you that a group of men, who’ve read a lot of your honest words, read you as a woman? If not, why not?

boulderhead
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“This is the type of social mistake that will kill your chances.”

I am the prize, you ninny.

kobayashii1681
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“You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.”

Straight.facts.

Reminds me of what Patrice O’Neal said: he said he tells his girlfriend that she’s the 4th important thing in his life.

With a red pill lens, this makes perfect sense.

Yollo Comanche
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@KL

You’re right about all of that. But have fun trying to legislate virtues. You can’t. They’re voluntary. Everyone could be better but not everyone will be.

And women getting mad at the shitty men they attract is nothing new.

Yollo Comanche
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@EhIntellect

“I call bullshit. No f’ing way.”

Don’t be too sure. There’s plenty of Purple Pill dating coaches who sell that type of game. Usually just takes a nuclear shit-test to get an exponent of that type of game to realize he’s better off never really talking about it in the Modern world.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

@ Yollo

I have sampling baises, true.

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@IRL I’ve had good luck unplugging with the RM blog. I starting in April of this year with the Best Of Year One and read all the Best Of posts in order. It takes a while to get your bearings, and get used to the acronyms. But with a little patience, it’s been invaluable. Also, the comments section has been invaluable. Thanks to all who contribute. I think the best arguments rise to the top in my mind and help me see things in a new way. This site shouldn’t be underestimated for newbies like me. As for don’t talk… Read more »

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KL
Usually women are more subtle and aware than I am. They will notice bitterness, cluelessness, pettiness, spite, stinginess. They will notice whether your shoes are shined, whether you walk at an appropriate pace when they wear heels, whether your shirt is ironed, whether you are nice to the waiter.

Either female or feminized Purple Pill.

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KL indirectly brings up a couple of points. First, Alpha is situational. These #MeToo! cases that are 20, 30 years old? The man in question was HAWT back then but now he’s meh, so when the social-media girl herd starts whining about “abuse” women can retcon their own history from “a HAWT guy did this with me!” to “a BAD MAN did this TO me” in short order. Because the alpha is perceived as a fake. It’s just a decade-long version of “regret sex” that gets reframed as “rape”. Second, the girls are getting more demanding of men in the… Read more »

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Blaximus

Women’s intuition is a myth. Suspicion and feelz passing for intuition.

And superstition, too. In the last couple of years I’ve really come to notice just how superstitious a lot of women are. Not just in the sense of astrology / crystals / lucky sweater, either, “the lights in this lamp always burn out on a weekend!” or other random stuff. When you don’t really understand cause and effect, it’s easy to get wrapped up in something else as a “prime force”.

Women’s intuition – that’s the thing that makes them impossible to fool, right?
I laugh out loud…

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“Maybe newbies just have to go through that too.”

There’s a type of guy will commit to perceived risky RP behavior and stick to the script, have success. It requires spine, and tenacity.

Sharing, showing RP off to the curious is at best waste of time, at worst the FI flattens you. Squish.

Markos Beers
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Markos Beers

@KL Both sexes rationalize, please read my post carefully. Guess you missed that part. The difference is this: helpful men try to help other men to stop doing it. It’s self deceit that interferes with one’s mission. That’s why the best of TRM is all about self-improvement, internals, and getting your shit together, ie, to NOT fake it. You took a leap and tried to speak for all single guys experiences… based on what? You know what the individual men here have dealt with? I don’t care if you’re a man or woman or other. Your full of shit in… Read more »

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Markos Beers
Your full of shit in a completely gender neutral sort of way.

Potential thread winner.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“The girls are getting more demanding“ Tales from the girls restroom. Wife and me was in a youthful bar this weekend, dancing. The women are meh looking. Ugly sweater party there too. There’s a 5’10” prettier than the rest, kinda Amazonish woman, 21-24. She’s queen of the ball, hair flicking, aggressive. Mrs. reports this: Amazon’s in the bathroom stall telling her friend “I’d never wear an ugly sweater, it’s stupid.” Thing is, there’s ugly sweater women in the bathroom, kinda shocked. IMO, None were really hot in the bar, including Amazon. The SMP is relevant and relative to location. The… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

Smashing it Markos.

Sentient
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Sentient

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article189931704.html

Roy Moore’s chuckling can be heard…

Sentient
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Sentient

““In its rush to claim the high ground in our roiling national conversation about harassment, the Democratic Party has implemented a zero tolerance standard,” Ramsey said in a statement Friday. “For me, that means a vindictive, terminated employee’s false allegations are enough for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) to decide not to support our promising campaign. We are in a national moment where rough justice stands in place of careful analysis, nuance and due process.””

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

They’ve formed a circular firing squad.

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Anonymous Reader

This is the sort of thing that will bring #meToo! to a halt, when the witch sniffers turn against their own. It’s not done yet, but damaging a 50-something Emily’s List politician is a straw in the wind.

Sentient
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palmasailor
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@Sentient

Hilarious

Now THATS equality

O.B.I.T.
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O.B.I.T.

And HR hilarity at that

Sentient
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Sentient

But wait… The Hamster delivers a tour de force!!! “I get back to the office and I couldn’t concentrate. It was like an out of body experience. I know that sounds silly to someone who wasn’t there emotionally, but I couldn’t sit still. I sent him a message, and he wrote back right away. “meet me.” he said. “meet you where?” I asked. “matt, think about this first…you have a wife.” “dressing room.” “dressing room where?” “studio.” “i’ll be there in 20 minutes,” I said. “I can’t stay that long…I have a car coming at 3:00.” It was 2:42 p.m.… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

” He lacked so much morality ”

Lmfao. Best laugh of my day so far.

Anonymous Reader
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” He lacked so much morality ”

Meme fodder. No time right now. Maybe later.

“Plus my fried ice was cold!”

KL
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KL

Matt Lauer’s self-serving “victim” is amusing. It reinforces my basic point is you should read and understand women, not always agree. Here is another revealing blog from a woman who is waiting for water polo hunks.

“[If you] faithfully follow The Rules … you don’t have sex! For months or years at a time. … we dated for months while I kept things G-rated. … Unfortunately, the first-time was mediocre-to-bad [and] the sex only got worse.”
https://sflovebytes.wordpress.com/author/daphnereese/

Incubus_Rising
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Incubus_Rising

She had consensual “encounters” with a MARRIED man who was also her BOSS, but still “He lacked so much morality”. Shaking my head in disbelief.

I have read a number of articles on this new “victim” and also browsed through the comments …. nobody …. I mean literally nobody sympathises with this woman. It is “professional victims” like these who bring the #MeToo train to a halt.

@ Markos Beers:

“And women’s intuition, which you eluded to before, is nothing more than untrustworthy rationalization.”

You have my standing ovation, Sir.

Incubus_Rising
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Incubus_Rising

New “allegations” against Dustin Hoffman dating back to 1975.

http://eslforkids.net/2017/12/16/dustin-hoffman-hit-with-more-sexual-assault-allegations/

Roused
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Curious what you all think of this story:

An Ohio female member of Congress spoke out suggesting women working in the legislature should not dress provacatively.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/13/marcy-kaptur-womens-clothing-sexual-harassment-294974

Sentient
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Sentient

This op ed by Cheryl Chumly at WAPO is just as funny….

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/16/adultery-not-sexual-harassment/

“A mentally competent and grown woman, as Zinone was at the time — 24 years old, in fact — cannot rationally engage in a sexual affair with a married man and then backtrack and cry victim.

It’s just not truthful.”

lolz…

Sentient
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Sentient

“But throughout Zinone’s story, one fact emerges as clear: She simply had an affair.

She was an adulteress.

And no matter what mental state she may have been in while working at NBC — no matter what type of baggage she carried from her youth that might have made her yearn for the attentions of Lauer, even while despising them — fact is: Consensual ain’t victimhood.”

Zing!

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KL
Other commenters characterized a racist Kentucky suicide as a victim. Any innocent man with character would defend himself. So I presume he was guilty and am glad he won’t rape again.

Cute attempt at trolling for flames. Your delight in a man’s suicide is noted. For some reason, his widow isn’t as happy as you are.

https://pjmedia.com/drhelen/dan-johnsons-death-high-tech-lynching/

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If-I-Fell

Out Christmas shopping, I heard this song. Since becoming red pill aware, misandrous lyrics stand out more. OK, men grow up! Get to work on provisioning, peace, justice and equality. Women you are fine–no action required. Someday at Christmas By Stevie Wonder Someday at Christmas men won’t be boys Playing with bombs like kids play with toys One warm December our hearts will see A world where men are free Someday at Christmas there’ll be no wars When we have learned what Christmas is for When we have found what life’s really worth There’ll be peace on earth Someday all… Read more »

boulderhead
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“Can you see that boys?”

Even a blind man, oh wait a minute.

If-I-Fell
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If-I-Fell

New Low Standard for Sexual Misconduct

Sen. Catherine Cortez Mastro:
I had a colleague look at me and say those are great birthing hips.

Female Interviewer:
(Gasps!)

Sen. Catherine Cortez Mastro:
Yeah.

(Back in the 70’s, they called them “tire hips”. At least his guy was trying to find a way to be complimentary.)

KL
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KL

@Rollo, you are missing your opportunity to influence the NYTimes conversation on “Cat Person”. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/sunday-review/when-saying-yes-is-easier-than-saying-no.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&assetType=opinion

I like Sarah’s Comment “As a survivor of rape, I find this whole article completely insulting.”

boulderhead
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In Nevada they call those saddle bags.

The Solitary Silver FoX
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The Solitary Silver FoX

Let’s just call it as it is, folks, full-blown narcissism… Don’t play their game, and never “like” narcissist selfies girls post on social media…

theage.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/wellbeing/not-just-vanity-selfitis-is-a-real-condition-research-suggests-20171217-h068gd.html

JF
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JF

Thanks Rollo and all the other posters who are genuinely trying to share and help. Zeroing out, standing at the brink and having the feelings that have led many men to make the ultimate sacrifice is truly a horrific experience. Being able to keep your balance and move away from that position requires true strength. If one can survive it does lead to a greater appreciation of life, love and family no matter what preceded.

My best regards to all.

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TuffLuv
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TuffLuv

How’s this for ABUSE at the hands of our system?

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/dallas/article188865169.html

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@Tuffluv

A known psychological problem. Not real common, but it has a name:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Munchausen_syndrome_by_proxy

Something to bear in mind when hearing about some heroic mother who does anything for her mysteriously sick child.

TuffLuv
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TuffLuv

Yes, but the way that father was treated as persona non grata by the court system while his kid was being repeatedly tortured for 8 years.. that’s the real story.

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@TuffLuv
“Dog bites man” is not news. “Father mistreated by family court system”, ditto.

Single mothers are heroes, always and in every case. Deadbeatdads not so much.

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> And yes, we should make ourselves our own Mental Point of Origin, but more important is realizing that our lives depend on Killing the Beta and discarding the idealistic hope that our personal equity ought to be measured by a Blue Pill metric. Killing the Beta sounds like an instant kill-shot action, but my experience is that it is a rather lengthy process. I was RP’ed a year ago by your book Preventive Medicine and my rational (left brain?) immediately accepted the theory as my life experience and frustration at the time could be much more easy explained with… Read more »

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I was zeroed out at 25. I had just finished my master’s degree in math finance, started working at a high paying but stressful job, and had finally lost my virginity to a classmate 9 years my senior. She was totally worthless on the marriage marketplace, pretty to be sure, but 34, diagnosed with several mental illnesses and on a cocktail of psych meds, chubby, thyroid problem, still living with her parents and working at her mom’s company while doing horridly in grad school. Alas, she of course dumped me and I felt even more worthless to be dumped by… Read more »

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