Zeroed Out

Last week I introduced a new concept in what most men can expect at some point in their lives. This is the idea of being Zeroed Out – basically men having most of a lifetime of status, financial equity, reputation, professional & educational growth, emotional investment and other metrics of men’s life equity being erased. I wanted to detail this a bit more here now as I think much of this concept gets easily misconstrued for men.

I think it ought to be part of any Red Pill aware man’s understanding that at many points in our lives we will be confronted with the prospects of having to rebuild ourselves. Failure, rejection and disappointment will happen for you, that’s just part of a man’s life, and it’s easy to rattle off platitudes about how many times you get back up being the measure of a man. But what I’m saying is there will be times when total reconstruction of your life will be a necessity.

You will be zeroed out at some point, and how you handle this is a much different situation than any temporary setback. This zeroing out is made all the more difficult when you confront the fact that what you believed to be so valuable, the equity you were told was what others would measure you by, was all part of your Blue Pill conditioning. At that point you need to understand that there is most definitely a hope for a better remake of yourself based on truths that were learned in the hardest way.

As I mentioned last week, it’s really easy to think of this as male victimhood or that a guy is complaining about his lot in life. Empathy, especially amongst men, has always been in short supply. I’ve learned the hard way never to bring up how sick I am, how bad my job is or how little sleep I got the night before in the company of 3 or more men – because I guarantee you that one has cancer, the other works in raw sewage and the last one’s an incurable insomniac. As men, our masculinity has classically been about how well we accept and adapt to adversity, so like I said, just mentioning a guy would be Zeroed Out at some stage in his life sounds like I’m saying “menz gots it so tough”. We’re supposed to take it on the chin and come back for more.

Guys will even get competitive with each other about how hard they’ve had it and how well they adapted to a bad situation. Others just don’t want to hear about another guy’s misfortunes, and others still will just say that men are living their lives wrong if a he bases his sense of self on the opinions of others – and women in particular.

The first two are simple to address. Men are in a general state of competition with each other even if this is only ever recognized as something going on in the social background. It doesn’t necessarily have to be vicious competition; even friendly rivalries are still rivalries.

It stands to reason that men will certainly be sympathetic with one another depending on circumstance, but that competitive nature is still something winners and losers instinctually understand. Out-group men will understand this state much more distinctly than in-group men (kin affiliation is an evolved survival adaptation), but even within that in-group there will still exist male dominance hierarchies. How those hierarchies are established is contextual to societal and environmental influences, but that they exist at all is often something our feminine-primary social order would like men to sweep under the carpet for themselves.

Qualifying Value

Competition is one thing, however, the idea that a man might base his life’s expectations, and his metric of success or failure, on external qualifiers is something I’d like to explore here. Social influences, family influences and men’s (often conditioned) subconscious understanding of how he can best effect intimacy and reproduction with women according to what he perceives are their expectations of him is a point of contention. If men feel Zeroed Out at various points in life, is that ‘zeroing’ just the effect of a man having built his personal integrity and equity on a foundation of Blue Pill sand?

MGTOWs are invited to correct me here, but as I understand it, this is a primary tenet of men going their own way – a rejection of women’s qualifying men’s personal worth based on their Hypergamous standards. I get that, but I would argue that there’s more to a man’s sense of self-worth than any qualifier womankind might place on him.

It’s no secret that Red Pill aware men need to understand the Game that they’re a part of and should indeed reestimate their personal worth based on this cutting away of oneself from their prior Blue Pill deceptions. This is why I believe every man who unplugs himself from his old ideals is, by order of degree, going his own way, but where he decides to go with it and how he decides to create value in himself according his new understanding is what’s at issue. Even in creating and building a new sense of self-worth there is still the potential of men becoming subject to losing that value irrespective of how he believes it should be measured.

I can imagine that whether or not a divorced man is ‘woke’ and living by his own terms, losing custody of and influence in the lives of his children can be something of a zeroing out for him. There are aspects of what we hold as our own personal worth that can be zeroed out no matter by what metric we think we should be evaluating it by. As I’ve always said, a woman should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it, but regardless, we still have intrinsic value that can be erased and it doesn’t alter the fact that women, family, career peers, etc. will be affected by it.

That said, it’s just an easy cop out to just say “Well, what you thought should be valued by others really isn’t, and because you thought it was, when you lose it you lose everything.”

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.

This is the third commandment from Roissy’s 16 Commandments of Poon. It has relevance here because it’s illustrative of how a majority of men think about prioritizing what metric to build their personal equity on. As Red Pill aware men it’s too easy to get upset at plugged in men who are blind to some of the simplest Red Pill principles. It’s easy to lose sight of the fact that most men are still Blue Pill and will fight you just for suggesting they might be wrong about the reality they find themselves in. They need that comfort even if they fail to see it will potentially be their undoing.

More importantly, we need to remember that the suicide rates I quoted in last week’s essay are based on men who built their own personal value on what their Blue Pill conditioning embedded into their psyches for a lifetime. That’s what we’re up against, and until more men come to unplugging this sad fact will continue. This is the gravity we’re faced with as Red Pill aware men trying to help other guys unplug. It’s not just about how a guy can get himself laid better; it might be about saving his life.

As I was saying in the last post, my brother in-law killed himself because he was convinced for a lifetime that by sacrificing every ambition and ‘doing the right thing’ he would be appreciated for it all. The Blue Pill quite literally killed him. He was convinced that he couldn’t live without his ONEitis of whom he’d made the “center of his existence”. Remove that center and he ceased to exist. Tragically though, his was only one story that mirrored countless more men’s. We live in a very dangerous age for men. The Blue Pill is even more of a liability today than it was in times past, because we live in an era that encourages men going all-in in their life’s investment in that conditioning.

Seeing that men build their sense of self-worth on this false ideology is obvious. And yes, we should make ourselves our own Mental Point of Origin, but more important is realizing that our lives depend on Killing the Beta and discarding the idealistic hope that our personal equity ought to be measured by a Blue Pill metric. One reason I take umbrage with Purple Pill hack ‘life coaches’ is because this is the dangerous value system they can never let go of and encourage other men to readopt.

Men will find themselves Zeroed Out at various stages of their lives, but if those guys are still mired in a belief set that the Blue Pill has convinced him is the only legitimate way of valuing himself he’s positioned to become another suicide statistic. And the real tragedy is that its this false evaluation that will lead most men to it – all the while he hears ‘atta boys’ and positivity thinking mantras from others who really don’t know what else to say.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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newlyaloof
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@TuffLuv & Marelius, thanks for sharing. Powerful stuff.

Tuff, did she cheat on you, or you on her? May not matter now, but just curious.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

cosign, fleezer.

tie her up face down. fuck her. drag her off to the side of the bed, force her to stand tied up, fuck her more, slide her to tbe floor, pour tequila, wine, bourbon off your dick into her mouth, AFTER she begs for it. feel free to take the mouth gag out. whatever. now stop. leaving her tied up eat a bowl of ice cream at the kitchen table, have a beer, enjoy the moment, then go back fuck her some more, cum in her mouth.

it worked for me.

you’ll be an unrecognizable god and deserve nothing less.

Mitch
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Mitch

Eh,

Lol! I’d ease up on that porn habit bro, its not good for ya.

Sentient
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Sentient

Marelius

Great story. You got to where 90% of Athol Kay’s purple pillrrs couldn’t get to. You did all the work. The last 10%. The hard work.

Sentient
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Sentient

Mitch

You should ease up on your choirboy habit… Eh’s story is all here. You might take a look at it.

lazarusluz
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There will never be a time when modern mainstream runs a story like “Training women and girls to honor men, to not wrongly accuse men of improper conduct, and to not abuse their privileges as the protected sex” http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/09/health/metoo-training-men-boys-honor-women/index.html To the FI thinks we are animals to be trained then?, I’m baffled on how the monsters of the FI write “rules” as some of the old books had rules for women, you know the whole: The wife should obey without question, which I think is bullshit, most women do wish for the man to take charge, but they should follow… Read more »

theasdgamer
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There used to be a time long ago, when a father protected his daughter(s) from older men, or ” men ” in general, until she was old enough and wise enough to fend for herself.

“There used to be a time long ago, when a father protected his daughter(s) from herself until she was married.”

FIFY

cheupez
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The burden of performance has finally evolved into an erupting mountain of performance indeed. Girls should game rhemselves. Your wife may have a bad flu, wake up with a bad fever, spend the afternoon sleeping, wake up at 5pm and stroll into the sitting room where you are reading something and politely asks if you could come to the bedroom and “do something” , you ask her “what about the fever” and she smiles a “i feel better”back , you take it from side and back while rubbing a spot, and she cums big tym and then some…that is the… Read more »

lazarusluz
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An unrelated note to Rollo: it think it would be a cool feature to have to be able to edit your comments at least 5 minutes after you post them, I sometimes find a one or two grammar errors on my writing after I make a post, english not being my native tongue and all, and I would have liked to be able to correct them, that’s all.

Mitch
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Mitch

Sentient
Its the unrecognizable god I’m not buying. Women do not actually enjoy their own degradation, and the one leading her there is not a god in her eyes, if she has any sense of herself at all. If you really believe that, then I call bullshit on your supposed deep knowledge of women. Regardless of n-count. Peddling that kind of shit will only serve to keep the life-saving truth of RP on the margins, imo.

Howd you’d know I sing in a choir?

The Last X-Man
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This is worth sharing: The Killers song “The Man” kind of captures the zeroed out moment at the end of the song (I thought it was a really good video in itself and was surprised an American band of that level of popularity had the balls to make such a video in 2017). Have a watch guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3xcybdis1k

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Its the unrecognizable god I’m not buying. Women do not actually enjoy their own degradation, and the one leading her there is not a god in her eyes, if she has any sense of herself at all. If you really believe that, then I call bullshit on your supposed deep knowledge of women. Regardless of n-count. Peddling that kind of shit will only serve to keep the life-saving truth of RP on the margins, imo.

Ohhhhh Booooyyyy do I ever disagree fully with everything you just typed..

Lmfao…..

Mitch
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Mitch

Ok Blax,
Go on, I’m curious …

j
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@mitch https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-63368-page-2.html “I was dating this girl (kinda crazy, 19, stripper hot) and she was mad at me because the only time I wanted to see her was to fuck, I never really took her out to do anything. So one night she comes over all mad and shes bitching at me and shit and I’m just ignoring her and telling her to leave, I really just wanted her to go away. She sits down next to me and all of a sudden she just pulls my pants off and starts jerking me off vigorously and at the same time… Read more »

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KL But some betas try to negotiate desire Because they don’t know any better. and then threaten butthurt tantrums unless the women reciprocate with sex. Awkward women can find it easier to just have bad sex than to face nasty consequences of rejection. Well, now those awkward women can just call up the cops and report rape. Unfortunately, the minority of beta predators LOL! No such thing as a “beta predator”. use their coercive tactics on a majority of women. Your 80/20 rule is showing. The “Cat Person” essay resonated precisely because so many women have experienced legitimate concerns of… Read more »

mersonia
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Mitch go back to your room

Anonymous Reader
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Mitch
Ok Blax,
Go on, I’m curious …

No, you are not really curious. You have a blue-purple mindset and don’t want to actually see clearly. Start with the book by Nancy Friday that J just pointed to. Note the date of original publication.

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Mitch You have some preconceived notions about women’s sexuality that are woefully incorrect. I have a few dozen stories, but I resist turning TRM comment section into a penthouse forum on steroids. Lol. I will just say that before I was even 20 years old, I’d DROPPED all of that ” women don’t want to be degraded/they want to be treated loving and tender ” bullshit completely, and it was women themselves that showed me otherwise. Consistently. Over and over again. I’ve been around the block a few times…. he he heee… and I will tell you that no matter… Read more »

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A site called http://www.primealpha.co.il that is described as “Red Pill Israel” just linked to a couple of Rollo’s older articles. Global red pill is a good thing.

Mitch
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Mitch

J – Its well known that many women have rape fantasies, that doesn’t mean that they actually want to be raped. Women do not like being raped. Lol. Even if they orgasm while its happening. Many women are willing participants in their own degradation, and yes, can be physically aroused by it, brought to orgasm by it. But that is not a woman enjoying herself, its a woman reduced to her animal self, her limbic system running the show. And in the clear light of day, (and I imagine there are women who go for years not allowing themselves to… Read more »

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Anonymous Reader

Al Franken is self-zeroing out of the Senate. He’s being replaced by Tina Smith, the Lt. Governor of Minnesota. For sure if he resigned he was going to be replaced by a female, the current witch hunt would not accept a mere man.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/minnesota-lieutenant-governor-tina-smith-to-replace-franken-report/ar-BBGGU1e?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Mitch, you didn’t just pull the rape card did you?

Novaseeker
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Novaseeker

Mitch — Hmmm. Women are generally most aroused by what you are calling the animal/limbic sex. Not every single one of them, but an overwhelming percentage of them. They only feel comfortable doing that with men who are worthy of that kind of sex, and most of the sex they have (unless they are lucky) is not like that, because most men don’t trigger that reaction in them. But when a man does, it’s pretty much an automatic response in almost all women. Now, you can choose to aspire to different things, and avoid that, and that’s fine — look,… Read more »

Mitch
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Mitch

Blax, I posted my comment before reading yours. Briefly, you’re misreading me. I’m 51 years old, n-count around 25 give or take, I *know* sweet and tender lovemaking is boring as hell. That’s not the only alternative to degradation. Sex with a strong power dynamic is not degrading. I’m not saying that at all. I will disagree strongly with you on the idea that simply because its consensual, even enthusiastically consensual, doesn’t mean its not degrading. But that’s really a fundamental philosophical difference that’s probably impossible to bridge, given our very different premises. I mean it comes down to the… Read more »

j
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@mitch

“Women do not like being raped”

….by beta males/fake alphas

https://blog.jim.com/culture/women-like-sexual-coercion/

Blaximus
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Blaximus

” And then there’s BDSM, I’ve seen that up close. I understand that. ‘healthy’ bdsm, is consciously chosen by the woman, a way of acting out in a safe way, her animal drive for submission, a way to escape the confines of ordinary consciousness, an attempt to reach transcendence.”

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So, you believe everything in life has to be orderly and planned?

Btw, research world sexual histories sometimes.

You can start with Greece, Japan/China and Rome.

Mitch
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Mitch

Blax, The rape card? I was responding to the book about women’s rape fantasies being supplied as evidence that women like to be degraded.

Blaximus
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Blaximus

” Women are generally most aroused by what you are calling the animal/limbic sex. Not every single one of them, but an overwhelming percentage of them. They only feel comfortable doing that with men who are worthy of that kind of sex, and most of the sex they have (unless they are lucky) is not like that, because most men don’t trigger that reaction in them. But when a man does, it’s pretty much an automatic response in almost all women.”

God/Buddha/Allah And Randolph Scott bless you Novaseeker.

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGYoChoijvY&w=1280&h=720%5D

Sentient
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Sentient

Mitch

I will disagree strongly with you on the idea that simply because its consensual, even enthusiastically consensual, doesn’t mean its not degrading.

Degradation is a dog concept… Like trust, honesty, courage, loyalty, love, etc….

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Mitch Since we’re just talkin’ here, I think the idea that a woman is able to comfortably and fully express her sexual desires means that there’s something ” wrong ” with her, or that she’s been abused somehow is offensive and terribly misguided, not to mention unfair. This addresses what HUMAN is. Sure, there are sluts and raging whores ( God love ’em all ) all around us, but all women are fully capable of the same behavior, even if they go to their graves without acting on it. And I’d wager that the average woman has a much more… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
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Mitch
I was responding to the book about women’s rape fantasies

Maybe you should read the book before writing up your own report.

SJF
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SJF

“Now, you can choose to aspire to different things, and avoid that, and that’s fine — look, it’s your choice. But the kind of complete wild abandon limbic sex really is the sex that arouses women the most and which they enjoy the most.

Heheh. Read the articles from this guy. Every other essay by the guy has some of the funnies one lines ever. He can turn a phrase once and a while a lot.

http://www.returnofkings.com/author/av8r

Here was one of his best:

http://www.returnofkings.com/42388/what-its-like-to-date-a-strong-and-independent-woman

theasdgamer
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Mitch,

Women’s inhibitions decline as they get more and more aroused. The more they are degraded, the more SMV the man is perceived to have relative to the woman and women get more aroused. The more a man demands of a woman, the higher his SMV. The higher a man’s SMV, the higher a woman’s emotions spike. More inhibitions hit the wayside. This is a virtuous engine that continues as long as a man makes demands on a woman.

KL
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KL

@Mitch Thanks. Women’s fear of duplicitous betas is not entirely bad for aware men. It just puts a premium on projecting a secure, comfortable vibe that indicates you “get it” and respect when “it’s on”. Women feel safer with a relaxed, authentically sexual guy than with a repressed creep who has a hidden agenda. I hate the subjectivity of the word “creep”. But women can sense when a guy is “off”, desperate, or socially unaware. That makes the ending of “Cat Person” so apt. Robert accepts rejection so gracefully that Margot regrets “she was being unfair to Robert, who really… Read more »

rugby11
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rugby11

“Women feel safer with a relaxed, authentically sexual guy than with a repressed creep who has a hidden agenda.”

“But women can sense when a guy is “off”, desperate, or socially unaware. ”

“A man with friends and sexual options is very safe. He has been socially validated and has no need to coerce a partner.”

Gold

Mr. Roboto
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Mr. Roboto

@Mitch

If you can find a copy I strongly recommend you to read Helen Hazen’s book Endless Rapture: Rape, Romance, and the Female Imagination. Read it before Nancy Friday’s books.

Mr. Roboto
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Mr. Roboto
Mitch
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Mitch

Nova, “Now, you can choose to aspire to different things, and avoid that, and that’s fine — look, it’s your choice. But the kind of complete wild abandon limbic sex really is the sex that arouses women the most and which they enjoy the most. ” I don’t aspire to things that preclude wild abandon limbic sex. Noooo. I don’t at all disagree that women enjoy that kind of sex the most – certainly agree that they are most aroused by it. A woman wants to open herself in submission to a man – and yes, her man must inspire… Read more »

Mitch
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Mitch

Mr Roboto,
I will check that book out. I like the chateau, ill think about that post a bit. Thanks.

Mitch
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Mitch

Blax

“I think the idea that a woman is able to comfortably and fully express her sexual desires means that there’s something ” wrong ” with her”

That’s not the idea I’m trying to get across. In going to think on it a bit more, and see if I can articulate it better.

Mitch
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Mitch

Ads, you’re not wrong about that. I think there’s something about the idea of a woman’s limbic arousal being equated with what she really wants that is being conflated. Something Culum posted in FR the other day from a pua guy who scores solely by delivering emotion. There was a quote about men being disgusted by their own emotion and women being disgusted by their own orgasms that I thought was very interesting. I’m not sure that’s quite right in a psychologically healthy woman, but I think it could easily be true when the psyche is a bit off and/or… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect
EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“Since we’re just talkin’ here, I think the idea that a woman is able to comfortably and fully express her sexual desires means that there’s something ” wrong ” with her, or that she’s been abused somehow is offensive and terribly misguided, not to mention unfair.”

This is why WKs and women seethe at me when Mrs. is in blissful abandon.

“A modern empowered woman would freely order her life differently.” Thus BP types assume the worst: DV, abuse, mind control b.s. The law protects, actively supports meddling self-righteousness.

Envy Is the only sin that denies its existence.

theasdgamer
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@Mitch Hypergamy drives the degradation cycle, not validation-seeking. Even HSE women want a man with as high a SMV as they can get and thus are quite willing to degrade themselves since they are getting attention and sex from the man they desire. The greater the disparity between their SMV and his, the more they want him and get pleasure from pleasing the man. But it’s not their pleasure that drives the cycle, but their desire. That’s why even HSE women get off on degradation. After the moment is over, HSE women return to their normal HSE behavior. There is… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

for another installment of EhIntellect’s Submission Hotline. We have long time listener, first time caller Mitch with commentary. Go ahead Mitch, you’re on the air! “Lol! I’d ease up on that porn habit bro, its not good for ya.” Great comment, Mitch. I’d given up porn over a decade ago, categorically. My libido was and is at stratosphere levels. As Forge the Sky recommended over a year ago, stop or cut it way back. Pornography buffers a fierce desire to fuck a meat human woman, which, until fembots, have no replacement. Habits are hard to break, especially BP ones, Mitch.… Read more »

If-I-Fell
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If-I-Fell

RE: Tavis Smiley out at PBS

New Workplace Standard:

“Did Tavis make you feel uncomfortable in the workplace?”

He says it’s gone too far and he’s going to fight it. Good luck with that–both in the plain speech sense and the ironic sense.

If-I-Fell
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If-I-Fell

I had breakfast with my son while watching the news and then a commercial about giving a woman a diamond for Christmas. I admonished him not to give a woman a diamond because that’s sexual harassment. I mean it to be black humor, but I may be giving him advice ahead of the curve.

O.B.I.T.
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O.B.I.T.

Meanwhile “misconduct” has been settled on for the moment as the new standard to be punished, replacing “sexual assault’ or “harassment.” That casts a pretty wide net

Sentient
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Sentient

Oh boy…. we have Mitch, a self confessed choirboy and observed dyed in the wool My’Ladier… and Churchian (ex?) ASD… both using “degrading”… ASD is closer to the truth to be fair, but still missing the mark quite willing to degrade themselves since they are getting attention and sex from the man they desire. The greater the disparity between their SMV and his, the more they want him and get pleasure from pleasing the man. But it’s not their pleasure that drives the cycle, but their desire. That’s why even HSE women get off on degradation. Degrade is a dog… Read more »

If-I-Fell
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If-I-Fell

@ O.B.I.T

You’re right about “misconduct” for the moment, but uncomfortability is the final destination.

I checked the word. There’s debate about it actually being a word which makes it perfect for the purpose.

O.B.I.T.
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O.B.I.T.

If-I
You’re right, I think we may already br slingshotting past any objective standard for male “misconduct,” onward to the female’s subjective “discomfort.”

Meanwhile: Mistletoe’s a no-no. Pretty soon we’ll be back to covering up piano legs

Sentient
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Sentient

Mitch

I remember a few years ago when YaReally posted some links from this site.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CuteModeSlutMode/ [NSFW – unless you are Matt Lauer]

The Cute Mode clips are so… cute.

marelius121
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marelius121

@OBIT My questions: Was all that family counseling completely unproductive? Counterproductive? 80% of the time it was a waste of effort, but the other 20% was where I came to understand why I was who I really was, and stopped kidding myself about whose fault my problems were. So in the end, it saved my life. It may have been more effective (and cheaper?) if I was in it for myself from the start, but either way, I am where I am now. What were the screaming sessions about, and did they do any good? Any further harm? This one… Read more »

Novaseeker
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Novaseeker

You’re right, I think we may already br slingshotting past any objective standard for male “misconduct,” onward to the female’s subjective “discomfort.” Well, harassment has always been “in the eye of the beholder” because the key element of harassment is that it is “unwanted”. It isn’t an objective standard and never has been. Yes, that’s been problematic from the beginning, but it isn’t new. The “misconduct” term is being used to cover things like what Smiley seems to have done — consensual relationship with a subordinate — that are not harassment (not unwanted) or assault (there’s consent present), but which… Read more »

theasdgamer
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@Sentient I was using “degrade” because it allowed a woman to see herself with a lower SMV without triggering her instinct to protect her SMV and status. Calling a girl “Susie Rottencrotch” may lower her SMV, but it will also trigger her instinct to protect her SMV. Getting a woman to catch your splooge in her hair will lower her perceived SMV, but it won’t trigger her instinct to protect her SMV. “Degrade” is a tricky thing to a girl. Inhibitions have to be dealt with, either through booze or through a ladder of behavior before a woman will get… Read more »

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“Ultimately the biggest problem here for alphas isn’t the targets, it’s the other women (and even men) around the target who are going to get uncomfortable or pissed and get HR involved, at least in cases where it’s boss/subordinate.”

Their discomfort stems from inferiority complexes and envy. IMO it isn’t about leveling workplace advancement rather leveling the sexual marketplace.

Professional advancement isn’t all technical competency, and those who have more to offer wield it.

O.B.I.T.
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O.B.I.T.

Marelius/Novaseeker
Thank you both

Sentient
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Sentient

Little behind on this post… so many good things upthread.

Fleezer dropped two 100 Megaton truth bombs. These would be upvoted…

https://therationalmale.com/2017/12/11/zeroed-out/#comment-229401

https://therationalmale.com/2017/12/11/zeroed-out/comment-page-2/#comment-229772

Hand, frame, MPoO, setting standards, enforcing standards.

NALTALT [Not All Lion Tamers Are Like That]

IRL
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IRL

Isn’t degradation just at the other end of the pedestalization spectrum… which actually happens to be a closed loop… same madonna/whore dynamic…

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“Getting a woman to catch your splooge in her hair will lower her perceived SMV”

Why is taking it exotically degrading her SMV? Does a woman regret unorthodox Alpha sex in the morning? Probably not.

Guys who find her degraded are missing the point of dominance sexuality and have an sexual axe to grind with women.

Sentient
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IRL

same madonna/whore dynamic…

Sure. M/W is a dog concept too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUES25IhEgg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvd5fpd5b3g

Aylar Lie – smart, sophisticated, TV personality, singer, high status, educated, strong independent power girl… High SMV! High self esteem!

Sentient
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Sentient
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Sentient

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHQHttWXsg0

Mother of your child material…

Sentient
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Sentient

NSFW-https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=2036325377

Freak in the sheets… lady in the streets… Pedestal toppled.

Sentient
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Sentient

Good interview with her that NSFW thread btw – “I love sex!!!”

KL
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@ Anonymous Reader “Women make up all sorts of drama … those awkward women can just call up the cops and report rape.”

Women are not stupid; their intuition is pretty accurate. They sense your bitterness and resentment. Just as women are ignorant of the male experience, you don’t routinely experience crass come-on’s, dick pics, thirsty pussy-begging, or emotional blackmail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8teRxOSNHs

@EhIntellect @dragnet GMAFB, the Kentucky lawmaker suicide “zeroed” his own life. But he was accused of serious sexual assault, not a hapless victim of a bad divorce.

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walawala

Just back from our office Christmas party. Whoo boy… An open bar and millenial girls do not mix well. I stayed sober to prevent anything happening and suddenly while standing At the bar a girl who I barely see or who works in a different department throws herself at me. She’s 20’s cute. I’m trying to escape. I realized I did not want any hint of impriety. She then passed out a short time later. I’m all for gaming girls. But in this insane world an office party make out is a move towards zeroing out… Loading...

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@fleezer I have to admit that I am excited by the thought of that scenario, but still can’t see my wife engaging in that of her own desire. Its not that I think NAWALT, its just that 55 years of conditioning make it hard to switch mindsets so quickly. I mean, its one thing to read about the theory, to see the underpinnings validated in your own LTR, and to start down the path. Its entirely different to claim mastery, and since I’m so new at this, I really fear that my early success is just an anomaly and soon… Read more »

Sentient
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Marelius

its just that 55 years of conditioning make it hard to switch mindsets so quickly.

Nah… you know the first thing that newly divorced women do right? Everything they weren’t doing in their marriage. The woman who always had a headache is now taking it in the ass in the backseat of a PoF’s car.

Flip the switch. Everything you’ve done so far has proven things right, why stop now? Go all the way down the path.

Sentient
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Lie started out as a pornographic actress. She starred in 10 porn films between 2002 and 2003, such as Throat Gaggers 3 and Cum Dumpsters 3 under the pseudonym Diana, then decided to end her porn-industry career after her last porno film, Cock Smokers 49, and switch to mainstream modeling. She competed at the Miss Norway pageant in 2004, but was disqualified from the contest when it was found she had starred in adult films; candidates to the pageant must not have been pictured naked in any commercial production or publication. Her adult film career has made her the target… Read more »

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“accused of serious sexual assault”

That’s was my point, accusation isn’t conviction. This culture demands male perfection and men lose sight of the bigger picture, acting rashly.

“The seriousness of the charge requires investigation” is a long time political tactic.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/06/us/inquiry-is-ordered-on-1980-campaign.html?pagewanted=all

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@KL

Yea none of that is Rape. It’s annoying but it’s not Rape.

Meanwhile, you women want to throw men in jail for talking to you.

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@mitch
“It can’t be that hard to grasp that nobody enjoys being used, or debased or treated like a piece of shit.”

“I like sitting in class and imagining the more attractive men there aggressively using me […] My body has a mind of it’s own. Someone touching me in a sexual manner has a pretty immediate physical reaction whether I was originally turned on or expecting/wanting to be touched sexually or not.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/6qybgz/redpill_truths_abound_in_an_askreddit_thread_on/

theasdgamer
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@KL Just as women are ignorant of the male experience, you don’t routinely experience crass come-on’s, dick pics, thirsty pussy-begging, or emotional blackmail. Lol, maybe if I were gay…I occasionally get hit on by gays because I tend to mirror nonverbal signals because it’s generally the thing to do with women, so my habit sometimes is confusing to gays. Women who are strangers palm my butt incidentally, push their boobs into my chest when we dance, kiss me secretly under the ear in the midst of a hug, show me their swim suit pics, text that they are soaking in… Read more »

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Is This Thing On?
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Is This Thing On?

@marelius121, The reason I have a problem with the concept of covert contracts is because they are based on what I will call blue pill law. Why should you have to re-articulate concepts that are part of the rule set you’ve been taught? Our very own mothers teach us these nonsense rules and blue pill men act accordingly. Be nice to the girl, be yourself and she is bound to like you. BP men don’t come out and articulate this stuff because the concepts themselves are part of what they have been taught from birth. You have identified your destructive… Read more »

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@ If-I-Fell

Tavis is just the latest in a long line of liberal negroes to figure out how awesome due process is—now that it’s his turn to be burnt at the stake sans evidence.

Glad he’s fighting back—but he’s been a gynocentric drone for years now. Looks like his uppance has come.

Mitch
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Sentient “Hand, frame, MPoO, setting standards, enforcing standards. NALTALT [Not All Lion Tamers Are Like That]” That’s true. There is more than one theory in dog training too, several of which work really well, and probably a lot of what works for different handlers depends on their personality. But I do think that some methods are better than others, depending on what you want out of the relationship – with your dog, your lion, your woman. This idea of not ascribing whole-hog to one set of methods is just blue- pill buffering- and therefore should be dismissed – is just… Read more »

EhIntellect
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“The idea that human intersexual relations can and should be reduced down *only* to their most primal level”

Give me a man who understands the basics well, the rest is details.

You’re procrastinating being better by arguing.

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It’s on

“Our very own mothers teach us these nonsense rules and blue pill men act accordingly”.

“IMHO it’s as bad as being molested.”

It may be worse, as it isn’t recognized as being wrong and could be the root of molestation.

Mitch
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Eh, Didn’t mean to come off as self righteous or jealous, man. Really. I haven’t read your history, and sounds like you’ve successfully turned around a dying marriage. If you and your wife are happy, then I’m very glad for you, and major props to you making that happen, because it cannot have been easy. I was just reacting – I do have a pretty deep revulsion to the idea of degrading other people, and it is interesting, for me at least, to explore ideas of what that is – or isn’t. Surely, much of it is in the eye… Read more »

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Anonymous Reader

Mitch’s Gravatar: purple box. Very appropriate.

Mitch
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Eh,
I’m not procrastinating being better. Thinking is something Men also do, and I find it is one of life’s great pleasures.

boulderhead
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Mitch

With an N #+25, you have surely met at least one woman that was hot to the bed, makeout, serious petting, dry humping till it hurts. Then she stops you, now you are thinking maybe I got the wrong read, all this is breaking my dick ,later babe. Then she drags you back in and the whole thing starts over again kissing,petting dry hump blue balls. Then she stops you again. Could it be that she needs to be dominated at this point? Why does she keep draging you back in?

Sentient
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Sentient

ITTO

BP men act rationally on the data they were given. They did not come up with that data on their own. It was given to them by the FI, usually in the form of their own mother.

They only got half the data though… Mommy didn’t tell them she was a slut before she met Daddy. The other half was observable and provable. They choose to believe the “safe” half. To defend it.

Sentient
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Sentient

Mitch

The idea that human intersexual relations can and should be reduced down *only* to their most primal level is pretty narrow, and is simply untrue.

Not reduce down, flow from… either evo-bio/psych is real, or it’s not. either it’s “babies all the way down” or it’s not.

Choose.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“dying marriage“

Self righteous presumption. Fuck you.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

How’s that for degrading gamma loser.

Mitch
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Boulder

“Could it be that she needs to be dominated at this point? Why does she keep draging you back in?”

No argument. Male dominance, female submission is natural, fun, and not degrading in and of itself. At all. Never said that.

Mitch
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Mitch

Eh,
Sorry man, I don’t know you. You’re right, im presuming, maybe even projecting. But shit, that’s just a teeny weeny taste of the presumption and projection I got here when talking about my life and relationship. No need to be a butthurt pussy about it tho..lol

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

Unlike you I’ve read your comments, history.

Look, has any one here given you props for hard work well done, incisive commentary?

Or gas it been essentially head-slapping and patient explanations of RP?

Picture yourself in a bar and a lone guy tells you your out of line. Are you? Maybe, maybe not.

Picture yourself in a bar and everyone is telling you your out of line. Are you?

Is This Thing On?
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Is This Thing On?

@Sentient,

That is why I used the term “internalized” instead of “hear” with regard to getting the red pill. It isn’t until we internalize the truth that we start to correct things. Until that time, we are consumed with cognitive dissonance and we act irrationally until something gives.

KL
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@Yollo Comanche “women want to throw men in jail for talking to you.” I think most of the #metoo accused men indeed guilty creeps. The victims’ stories are generally quite consistent. Your hyperbole about “jail for just talking” is an unattractive beta overreaction that suggests you might fly off the handle if rejected in an intimate situation. That’s scary! If a target’s friends cockblock you, then she might have signaled them to “save her”. Or she might have failed to signal them to stay away. Focus on women who are interested, and avoid bars where women are so scarce that… Read more »

Mitch
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Mitch

Eh,
Being a bar and out of line is a bad analogy. Refusing to make important decisions about my life in the way that other people – who don’t know me – think I should is not being out of line.

I mean if guys here only want to sit in an echo chamber, that’s cool. But that’s not my impression about most guys here.

If my commentary and questions are not interesting, they can be easily ignored.

EhIntellect
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EhIntellect

“I sympathize with divorcing parents. But I detect a strong stench of victimhood and inordinate focus on the worst womens’ behavior from single men who have never experienced it.”

Ah, I’ll-take-the-high-road shit test.

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