Zeroed Out

Last week I introduced a new concept in what most men can expect at some point in their lives. This is the idea of being Zeroed Out – basically men having most of a lifetime of status, financial equity, reputation, professional & educational growth, emotional investment and other metrics of men’s life equity being erased. I wanted to detail this a bit more here now as I think much of this concept gets easily misconstrued for men.

I think it ought to be part of any Red Pill aware man’s understanding that at many points in our lives we will be confronted with the prospects of having to rebuild ourselves. Failure, rejection and disappointment will happen for you, that’s just part of a man’s life, and it’s easy to rattle off platitudes about how many times you get back up being the measure of a man. But what I’m saying is there will be times when total reconstruction of your life will be a necessity.

You will be zeroed out at some point, and how you handle this is a much different situation than any temporary setback. This zeroing out is made all the more difficult when you confront the fact that what you believed to be so valuable, the equity you were told was what others would measure you by, was all part of your Blue Pill conditioning. At that point you need to understand that there is most definitely a hope for a better remake of yourself based on truths that were learned in the hardest way.

As I mentioned last week, it’s really easy to think of this as male victimhood or that a guy is complaining about his lot in life. Empathy, especially amongst men, has always been in short supply. I’ve learned the hard way never to bring up how sick I am, how bad my job is or how little sleep I got the night before in the company of 3 or more men – because I guarantee you that one has cancer, the other works in raw sewage and the last one’s an incurable insomniac. As men, our masculinity has classically been about how well we accept and adapt to adversity, so like I said, just mentioning a guy would be Zeroed Out at some stage in his life sounds like I’m saying “menz gots it so tough”. We’re supposed to take it on the chin and come back for more.

Guys will even get competitive with each other about how hard they’ve had it and how well they adapted to a bad situation. Others just don’t want to hear about another guy’s misfortunes, and others still will just say that men are living their lives wrong if a he bases his sense of self on the opinions of others – and women in particular.

The first two are simple to address. Men are in a general state of competition with each other even if this is only ever recognized as something going on in the social background. It doesn’t necessarily have to be vicious competition; even friendly rivalries are still rivalries.

It stands to reason that men will certainly be sympathetic with one another depending on circumstance, but that competitive nature is still something winners and losers instinctually understand. Out-group men will understand this state much more distinctly than in-group men (kin affiliation is an evolved survival adaptation), but even within that in-group there will still exist male dominance hierarchies. How those hierarchies are established is contextual to societal and environmental influences, but that they exist at all is often something our feminine-primary social order would like men to sweep under the carpet for themselves.

Qualifying Value

Competition is one thing, however, the idea that a man might base his life’s expectations, and his metric of success or failure, on external qualifiers is something I’d like to explore here. Social influences, family influences and men’s (often conditioned) subconscious understanding of how he can best effect intimacy and reproduction with women according to what he perceives are their expectations of him is a point of contention. If men feel Zeroed Out at various points in life, is that ‘zeroing’ just the effect of a man having built his personal integrity and equity on a foundation of Blue Pill sand?

MGTOWs are invited to correct me here, but as I understand it, this is a primary tenet of men going their own way – a rejection of women’s qualifying men’s personal worth based on their Hypergamous standards. I get that, but I would argue that there’s more to a man’s sense of self-worth than any qualifier womankind might place on him.

It’s no secret that Red Pill aware men need to understand the Game that they’re a part of and should indeed reestimate their personal worth based on this cutting away of oneself from their prior Blue Pill deceptions. This is why I believe every man who unplugs himself from his old ideals is, by order of degree, going his own way, but where he decides to go with it and how he decides to create value in himself according his new understanding is what’s at issue. Even in creating and building a new sense of self-worth there is still the potential of men becoming subject to losing that value irrespective of how he believes it should be measured.

I can imagine that whether or not a divorced man is ‘woke’ and living by his own terms, losing custody of and influence in the lives of his children can be something of a zeroing out for him. There are aspects of what we hold as our own personal worth that can be zeroed out no matter by what metric we think we should be evaluating it by. As I’ve always said, a woman should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it, but regardless, we still have intrinsic value that can be erased and it doesn’t alter the fact that women, family, career peers, etc. will be affected by it.

That said, it’s just an easy cop out to just say “Well, what you thought should be valued by others really isn’t, and because you thought it was, when you lose it you lose everything.”

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.

This is the third commandment from Roissy’s 16 Commandments of Poon. It has relevance here because it’s illustrative of how a majority of men think about prioritizing what metric to build their personal equity on. As Red Pill aware men it’s too easy to get upset at plugged in men who are blind to some of the simplest Red Pill principles. It’s easy to lose sight of the fact that most men are still Blue Pill and will fight you just for suggesting they might be wrong about the reality they find themselves in. They need that comfort even if they fail to see it will potentially be their undoing.

More importantly, we need to remember that the suicide rates I quoted in last week’s essay are based on men who built their own personal value on what their Blue Pill conditioning embedded into their psyches for a lifetime. That’s what we’re up against, and until more men come to unplugging this sad fact will continue. This is the gravity we’re faced with as Red Pill aware men trying to help other guys unplug. It’s not just about how a guy can get himself laid better; it might be about saving his life.

As I was saying in the last post, my brother in-law killed himself because he was convinced for a lifetime that by sacrificing every ambition and ‘doing the right thing’ he would be appreciated for it all. The Blue Pill quite literally killed him. He was convinced that he couldn’t live without his ONEitis of whom he’d made the “center of his existence”. Remove that center and he ceased to exist. Tragically though, his was only one story that mirrored countless more men’s. We live in a very dangerous age for men. The Blue Pill is even more of a liability today than it was in times past, because we live in an era that encourages men going all-in in their life’s investment in that conditioning.

Seeing that men build their sense of self-worth on this false ideology is obvious. And yes, we should make ourselves our own Mental Point of Origin, but more important is realizing that our lives depend on Killing the Beta and discarding the idealistic hope that our personal equity ought to be measured by a Blue Pill metric. One reason I take umbrage with Purple Pill hack ‘life coaches’ is because this is the dangerous value system they can never let go of and encourage other men to readopt.

Men will find themselves Zeroed Out at various stages of their lives, but if those guys are still mired in a belief set that the Blue Pill has convinced him is the only legitimate way of valuing himself he’s positioned to become another suicide statistic. And the real tragedy is that its this false evaluation that will lead most men to it – all the while he hears ‘atta boys’ and positivity thinking mantras from others who really don’t know what else to say.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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“Climate change amongst a host of other shit about to hit the fan realities makes me glad i didn’t bring other humans into the world.” That’s one of the main reasons why I often feel like not having children, not because of women.

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Mad stories over here in the UK. And “toxic femininity”, first time I’ve heard that used, I hope it catches on.

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Someone further up the thread mentioned that the zeroing induces a kind of PTSD. Those of us who have been there understand. And it’s been my experience that whenever I’m faced with a difficulty the most useful advice always comes from someone who came out the other side of the same mess. I take heart from the stories I read here to see how resilient Men are. I’ve seen a lot of these commercials lately for genetic tests, and can’t help wondering how many cucked guys there are out there, and do they even want to know. I’m fortunate that… Read more »

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@ dvdivx,
That’s not creepy art. That’s Joss Whedon. KFG said so.

@ Rollo,
I second wwkkd’s call for you to hire an editor to turn out error-free essays. Either that, or you’re going to have to lower your prices.

Couldn’t resist some driveby comments. Tomorrow’s commute from hell should have me up-to-date.

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I was on a path to be zeroed out. I saw it becoming increasingly likely. My wife wanted me to just be a salaried guy and park money in accounts for the future of her and the kids. I started buying rental properties, networking for tech/entrepreneurial skills, and becoming a skilled stock trader. I even become a skilled airbnb host. All in preparation for possibly being ‘zeroed out’ and being skilled to rebound if needed. Oh, and I got a girl on the side so someday, if I’m zeroed out, I don’t looked back on a 15 year dry spell.… Read more »

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I had an interesting family dinner conversation. My daughter’s childhood (girl) friend’s mother is probably going to spend Christmas by herself. This is the same person we were almost guilted into allowing my daughter to invite to Christmas last year. Apparently, her three grown children are either too busy or don’t like to spend time with her. She and the father divorced about 18 years ago. I’m not sure as to the cause, but I think he wanted out. He paid her and their children’s living expenses and college. Once the last child (my daughter’s friend) left for college, he… Read more »

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It’s so easy..(Thanks Rollo). Just be a fuckin man. Always pull the rope…

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@ If-I-Fell “My daughter said women do fine without men.” So she’s been indoctrinated by a false Feminine Imperative Social Doctrine. It is best to be positive about countering that. Pointing out the difference between young vs. Old as you did. Without bitterness. Agree that women do fine without men, but limit their best selves in doing so. Limit downside, limit upside. Kind of like a collar in a stock equity trade. (Same way as MGTOW is not all it may be cracked up to be. MGTOW with killing it with women, Great, without attracting and having desirous sex with… Read more »

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Marshall Faulk, Donovan McNabb and Keith Evans, NFL Network analysts, have all been relieved of their jobs tonight after new sexual assault allegations. Wow. McNabb? I mean you never know for certain, but McNabb strikes me as a “alpha” type which means not even attractive alphas are immune from this Salem witchcraft purge. Bottom line, you have to realize we’ve just entered a new world where the workplace is completely off-limits for any type of sexual interaction between men and women. The goal is to construct a 100% sterile environment where any man has to fear for his livelihood for… Read more »

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“Underneath it all, for men, there is no metric for “cutting losses and moving on”. Quite the opposite “do whatever it takes to make it work!”

Reality is, at that point she has left the relationship some time ago, the make it work advice is jello to wall nailing. If the Red Pill can teach Blue Pill to “cut losses and move on” then some actual good has been accomplished.”

How does one “move on” when there is an 8-yr old boy in the middle of it?

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“I don’t actually red pill my children, because my wife and I raised them with good resources and in effect they are naturals. They have skill, they have excess free energy (otherwise known as charisma) and they function well. They have intrinsic value and their own beauty.”

@SJF

Thank you for your posts, they help me a lot. Your line on charisma hit home with me, as I’ve lost touch with my own, have seen it evaporate before my eyes at work and at home. And it is exactly due to that lack of “excess free energy.”

In any case, thanks again.

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@ SJF “I don’t actually red pill my children, because my wife and I raised them with good resources and in effect they are naturals.” I’ve thought of this…how much effect RP exposure has on my kids. I’d say this: I can make them much worse reinforcing BP themes. If I tacitly approve of natural masculinity, no RP education is needed, per se. It’s preinstalled in the home environment. BP is unnatural. That’s why we’re here. The BP putrescence drags in on their shoes occasionally. Scrape that off. It’s helpful to STFU when it’s critical for short term success, i.e.… Read more »

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@Markos “the make it work advice is jello to wall nailing” Exactly. When men are being dragged by the current of events how many expend all their energy swimming against it, fighting an inevitable outcome, frustrated, living on adrenaline, waking at night, pool of sweat, planning his next step. A lot. The divorce culture is rigged against men with a glimmer of hope to keep him in the game, spending, fueling the process. Fight it and whatever gains men think they capture are lost in time and pleasure could-be planning their renaissance. Better swimming with the current, drift to the… Read more »

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Bottom line, you have to realize we’ve just entered a new world where the workplace is completely off-limits for any type of sexual interaction between men and women. The goal is to construct a 100% sterile environment where any man has to fear for his livelihood for any “unwanted advances” which could be something as innocuous as “your new hairstyle looks really pretty”. Morpheus — For the time being, yes. We will have to see where it all shakes out, I think. Right now we seem to be still at the peak of a moral panic around this issue, and… Read more »

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#metoo is only going to go into hyperdrive now.
However you may view Moore there’s blood in the water from his defeat, and meanwhile Trump’s arguably most accurate tweet ever — if you have followed Queen Kirsten’s career — has raised the hysteria knob up to 11.

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Not just face-to-face interactions, but I’d also warn guys to pre-edit your e-mails very carefully to prevent anything — anything! — that could even remotely be seen as critical or condescending. Add a layer of distance, and then another

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Remember a few weeks ago wasn’t she throwing you some vibe? And the advice was to keep gaming her?

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Favorite Heartiste post… Will be engraved on the receiver of a G3 type rifle for my son’s 18th birthday. “to live as a man is to TAKE what you want. Not to wait for it to be given to you. Because it will never be given. Not to anticipate the empathy of the overseers. Because they will never empathize. Not to expect the coddling of the crowd. Because they will never coddle. Not to assume the wagon circling of kindreds. Because they will never circle for you. You got the short stick, now what? Do you contemplate it and hope… Read more »

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I’m straddling the issue.

“Just getting it” is mostly unspoken charisma. Overtly hitting on women, using innuendo is dog talk, clumsy esp. OTJ.

Workplace social proof is to be had and is protective. If women see you as the asexual coworker and/or avoidant, your stock drops, artificially elevating women’s value, they know it and see this as weakness.

Theirs nothing more confusing, attractive to a woman coworker than a confident man who elicits female sexual tension by just being there.

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A cocky head nod, a rakish knowing smile are safe and chick crack.

Then again, why play with dynamite?

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sent – lol, trying to say something?

after her realization that the taxes on her windfall make it far less than she hoped…. the solution is to get ole zipper to eat that shit sandwich, too

simple entitlement and greed coupled with last minute ham-fisted negotiating tactics (she probably read a How To Negotiate pamphlet)

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Zipper

If any man have ears to hear, let him hear!

PS – this game with her will never end.

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@ Morpheus

Re: McNabb, just for a little clarification, he’s huge and has one of the biggest heads I’ve ever seen on a man that wasn’t a cartoon, yet he’s far from alpha.

When he was an active qb in the NFL, he was known for his softness under pressure. He lacked the killer instinct and all opposing teams game planned to put pressure on him and watch him shrink..

He comes off as the classic ” nice guy ” in public. Somebody shoulda told him that once he left the playing field, he’d lose his conditional alpha props.

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@Dr. Zipper

The situation sucks and is just an extension and an example of the 60% (not 50) rule that you will have to swallow.

There is no victory in this game. She, and her lawyer know that a trial will cost you both a huge chunk of what you are negotiating over, where you both lose vs. your amicable agreement. But she does not care. Her lawyer knows you are the rational one, and will conclude this, and capitulate.

Do it. And be done.

I’m very sorry.

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The only reason eggs are valuable is you can get worker drones out of them by giving the incubator the power to undermine the donor.

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Amused mastery worked for me, combined with a little bit of distance and mystery (rather than seeming awkward or avoidant). It helps to be very good at an actual problem-solving function that distinguishes you from all the bland career-track suits. I was always much more alpha in work situations than at home!

I agree with dont shit where you eat, but you can let your legend spread to other departments at least. Now I would say just be more careful than ever

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@ Yollo

Once again, there is nothing about any woman that is more valuable about a woman than there is about a man. Including eggs. Eggs without sperm fall out of women every 24-28 days like clockwork.

Every woman has a finite supply of eggs, yet right now there are literally trillions of potential eggs on the planet, and as kfg has noted, new future egg suppliers are born every day..

In reproduction, a woman ceases to have any value without a man/men.

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@Markos How does one “move on” when there is an 8-yr old boy in the middle of it? First step.. move on from her. Make it clear in your actions, demeanor, and stoic behavior that she is dead to you. Polite co-parenting is all she gets. ANY TIME she veers from that dynamic, you ignore her. Period. If she extends an olive branch and does you a favor first (e.g. regarding the kid), then you may toss her a favor to try and develop a give-take post marital system. It completely depends on the type of woman whether or not… Read more »

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Roy Moore lost because he failed to perform. He should have been gently mocking his accusers for coming forward 30 years later just in time for the election. “My accusers say that I was a dirty old man 30 years ago when I was 30 because I liked seventeen year old girls. You know, I’ve learned they’re right. Young women are so icky. lol” “I’ve been accused of sexual assault merely for asking seventeen year old women on dates 30 years ago. What’s wrong with this picture?”

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“let your legend spread to other departments at least.”

Good plan.

Never let yourself become sexually unviable.

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@ Sentient

You’ll be empty nesting soon, no?

What’s next? Plans?

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That might have helped him out, but actually “14” was the number being bandied about most by the media — along with its ritual chants of “multiple accusers multiple accusers multple accusers!” and some very loose use of the term “pedophilia.”

Now we get “sexist smear” and “bully” when all Trump implied was that Gillibrand is Ms. Pay-for-Play, Schumer in a skirt.

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I’ve noticed a tendency here label any man that falls to this witch hunt as “not really alpha”. I think this is an error. It’s getting crazier by the day. The FI just took a few hits of meth because the crack cocaine isn’t working any more. Sure game helps, but women are now in a state where every one of them is convinced they deserve the alpha. Think of Tyler Kost. The young man spent 3 years in jail because a bunch of girls decided to punish him for being a player. Go ahead. Spin lots of plates. Make… Read more »

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“he’s far from alpha.”

lol. He was a mama’s boy

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ASD Roy Moore wasn’t really qualified for the Senate ( but then, neither are most active sitting senators ), but in Alabama, he should have run away with the election hands down. Bama elected a democrat for the first time in, like 25 years. You’re right, what is wrong with this picture? Answer: terribly flawed candidate that came under intense media driven scrutiny if not for the media coverage and Trump’s inability to stay off twitter, Moore would be celebrating a victory and it’d be business as usual in Alabama. Moore was savy enough to remain relatively quiet but his… Read more »

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Favorite Heartiste post… Will be engraved on the receiver of a G3 type rifle for my son’s 18th birthday.

In really, really small letters…

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And behold, the articles about how unfair this witch hunt is to women have started:

Women in politics fear #MeToo moment will backfire — and they’ll be the ones punished

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article189152134.html

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Matt Drudge came out against Moore. That had to be influential. According to Drudge, Moore was “crazy”. I guess that asking 17 yo girls on dates is “crazy.” Drudge needs to swallow the red pill.

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Blax, Moore needed to continue to show his value for Alabama voters (DHV, remember), not “stay quiet.” He needed to parry the attacks with gentle jesting and lots of amused mastery, just like Trump did successfully.

Lol at your suggestion that Moore wasn’t qualified for Senate. What, he wasn’t old enough? I surely don’t trust your judgment on who is qualified more than the Constitution.

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@markos – tuffluv speaks truth

“Make it clear in your actions, demeanor, and stoic behavior that she is dead to you. Polite co-parenting is all she gets”

this is my approach as well; when something comes up that you’re not sure about, ask yourself “what’s the best for my son” and you will always have the right answer

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Fuck Drudge. Because of his war with Bannon, he was willing to throw the Alabama election.

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“Why Black Voters Backed Doug Jones: It’s a matter of character for us” …modern day Pharisees, if that’s even representative of their thinking…probably just stuck on the democratic plantation…they always vote democratic in huge percentages…tribal warfare…

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“Theirs nothing more confusing, attractive to a woman coworker than a confident man who elicits female sexual tension by just being there.”

“Never let yourself become sexually unviable.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmse__NhZTU

“this game with her will never end.’

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Women in politics fear #MeToo moment will backfire — and they’ll be the ones punished

Well, sure. “What about the women!?!” because of women’s known 4:1 ingroup preference. That lobbyist just wants her fried ice – 1 on 1 time with powerful men, with the option to damage them politically whenever she wishes. Nothing new, just a variation on an old theme.

That lobbyist is saying that there’s nothing wrong with the witch hunt, but the rules should be different for her. Her solpisism is showing.

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Re empty nesting soon. No not me. My youngest is 14…

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That Florida story is comedy gold. So now the WOMEN are “in pain” and “terrified” because of “the backlash?”
Another subtext is that the legislature is absolutely crawling with lobbyists, but hey, who cares — apparently not The Herald — as long as they’re female lobbyists.

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Lol, genetics and hormones made them hysterical. Bless their hysterical hearts.

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“I’ve noticed a tendency here label any man that falls to this witch hunt as “not really alpha”.” Nah, we’re using an extremely rare Silverback Alpha archetype against which to judge an outcome. It sounds no true Scotsman, sure, and IMO is helpful as a point of reference in analysis. I’ve been in morbidity and mortality conferences. It’s not a witch hunt, though it can feel like it on the pointy end. We’re looking for a best outcome pathway, if possible, with the information at hand. It’s that way here. There’s many roads to Alpha. TRM commentary teases out the… Read more »

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Hysterical is sexist, learned that during OJ trial. Fairly warned.

“She sparked some discussion for her angry response to defense attorney Johnnie Cochran labeling her “hysterical,” and after another derisive comment by Cochran about her need to leave court at a reasonable time to take care of her children. Clark declared she was “offended as a woman, as a single parent, as a prosecutor.” ”

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@Is This Thing On? You wrote: “If you want to see real crazy, read the first comment after the article.” Which comment, please? Different browser settings show comments in different orders.

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“Jennifer Green is owner of the Tallahassee lobbying firm Liberty Partners”

Full faced smile, top down picture flattering her cleavage. Metoo conflicts with her sexuality fueled persona provisioning agenda.

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@KL The one from Christine. “what’s most disturbing here is that you’re reinforcing the idea to young women that there is such a thing as consensual sex (ie not-rape) that one does not want to have. this is a paradoxical idea. it’s dangerous that you clearly don’t see that the reason women choose to refrain from saying no is because they make a mental calculus beforehand and decide that “it’s not worth it” – what that means is that there is potential downside to saying no, that being some sort of dangerous or negative consequence from one’s sexual partner for… Read more »

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@TuffLuv

Thank you for taking the time and typing that out. I read every word of it and will read it again. Also really sorry you’re in a position to know how to deal with it, and wish you the best for your children.

Stoic game is my friend, yet I am coming to it later than most. Doesn’t matter, of course. Have to work on it and do it. Daily, at work and with the family.

Thanks again.

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Haven´t been here for a time. Two superb posts on freedom of men. Men going their OWN way. This is how I understand it. Freedom. Be free to have your own values, your own way of life, your own hapiness! Red pill men are extremely rare. Extremely. I guess that maybe 5 percent of men who writre here are actually red pill. They just try to find a way to understand women. To have more informations in order to be more efficient slave. Red pill MAN has his own values. His own mission. His own understanding of what is good… Read more »

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@OBIT That might have helped him out, but actually “14” was the number being bandied about most by the media — along with its ritual chants of “multiple accusers multiple accusers multple accusers!” and some very loose use of the term “pedophilia.” Yeah, false shotgun accusations are a common leftist tactic. There were many problems with the story of the accuser who supposedly was 14 y.o. at the time. Her own mother contradicted her. The accusations were from events 30 years ago and none involved rape or anything nonconsensual. None of this amounts to a hill of beans except to… Read more »

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Christine is silly…when women are “in the moment,” they aren’t doing calculus of any sort.

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I have a feeling calculus is not exactly her major.

As far as political preference, right now I’d lean to anyone who has ever held a real job in the private sector.

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“He chooses woman who can be trained. He knows that ultimatelly, at the end of a day – all women are nothing but animals, they have no concept of justice, freedom, good and bad..they are beneath him. ”

And

. Rule her, tzrain her, manage her…and be prepared to leave her if she disobeys or/and disrespects you. Can´t have it better in this game.”

Sweet Jesus. Sounds like women scare you shitless. MGTOW is probably your best option. NO woman worth having is gonna put up with that shit.

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He chooses woman who can be trained. He knows that ultimatelly, at the end of a day – all women are nothing but animals, they have no concept of justice, freedom, good and bad..they are beneath him. A little hyperbolic. If women have been trained properly, they won’t be animals. Some have to be tamed first, like Katrina in “The Taming of the Shrew”. Women will have a tendency to operate in their own self interest. Of course, men never do that. Women can understand abstract concepts, but they don’t calculate very much using those concepts to determine what to… Read more »

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@TuffLuv thank you for sharing… and not sugar coating/or exaggerating your situ at all… the more men engage in the RP ‘recovery’ process ‘in public’ (and even/especially if it is on an anonymous blog comments section)… the more other men in pain/confusion/looking for answers will know they are not alone… https://therationalmale.com/2017/07/06/confidence-and-the-safety-net/ …and that the path to daylight is not unknown… and even though it’s hard as hell to walk that path, it’s not beyond the average man’s ability… and modeling success (which is what you are absolutely doing!… and props on that too!…) is probably the best ‘help’ that you… Read more »

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@Blax It is understandable for a man to feel angry at such a state of affairs. The problem is, most men who think they know what would happen to the 30yr old man screwing their 17 yr old daughters, usually don’t. Only the daughters know. Right now as we speak, there is a 17 yr old girl intentionally going for a 30 year old man, all the way to his house, no coercion, suppositioning him, and getting dick balls deep, and going back home to daddy and mommy. And she is enjoying it a lot. Hypergamy. The woman Roy married… Read more »

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I’d argue that being ‘Zeroed Out’ is more an outcome of ownership – do you own yourself or are you owned by society and / or women? If you work for a company you don’t own, if you fail to get your own side gig going early in your life, if you marry now-days, then you are owned and at risk of zeroing.When you build your own business or build up a decent personal fortune you take ownership of yourself and help mitigate this issue. I was fortunate to learn this from observing what happened to my father and I… Read more »

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Ads, “”. Women will have a tendency to operate in their own self interest. Of course, men never do that. ” Wrt men, are you speaking hyperbolicly, or are you being sarcastic? I would say men tend also to operate in their own self-interest ( I always have) to the extent they understand what that actually is ( I haven’t always understood that). As it is with women, who also often don’t understand what their self interest is. Pomo feminism has been a catastrophe for women, but feminists haven’t quite caught on to that reality (yet.) My wife for example,… Read more »

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Mitch

“NO woman worth having is gonna put up with that shit.”

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You best be sure you’ve done some taming when you pull shit like this…

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Not to say my wife didn’t receive training tho – she did, by both of her parents growing up, and she also spent years ‘training’ herself, seeking out information and resources for ways of being that she knew to be True. That’s not the work of a mere animal. Though she is an animal too, as am I.

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Sentient,
Official letter for her green card came yesterday.

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Mitch

Noted.

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until one day when….

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Its more important for me to train myself, to keep us both happy.

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Zero Yourself, Men I was recently facing an imminent “zeroing”, but so far have been successful at “flipping the script” on my wife. All it took was for me to confront the reality that if I continued to do nothing except silently work on my Red Pill homework (first rule of fight club…) I was soon going to need all of my newly acquired game skills in the SMP. For those of you already divorced/MGTOW or never married, there is probably not much here for you unless you want to reconsider LTRs. But for those of you in a long… Read more »

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@bad day

Thanks. You hit the nail on the head. Finding out my situation was not only not unique, but rather common.. was a huge source of much needed strength as I was feeling the dirt being tossed on my face. Huge.

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Marelius – I applaud your success and thanks for taking the time to write it up with such detail

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@ cheupez “It is understandable for a man to feel angry at such a state of affairs. The problem is, most men who think they know what would happen to the 30yr old man screwing their 17 yr old daughters, usually don’t. Only the daughters know. Right now as we speak, there is a 17 yr old girl intentionally going for a 30 year old man, all the way to his house, no coercion, suppositioning him, and getting dick balls deep, and going back home to daddy and mommy. And she is enjoying it a lot. Hypergamy. The woman Roy… Read more »

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@Marelius, The concept of covert contracts has always bothered me. I agree there can be something to the concept outside of marriage, but a marriage is as overt a contract as you can get. Telling married men that had the audacity to expect their wives to actually honor the vows they took is IMHO purple pill nonsense. Such men have done nothing wrong but believe all of the blue pill nonsense they have been fed since birth, and that includes you. You thought your wife was a rational being capable of understanding and honoring such vows. She is not. The… Read more »

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@ Marelius

High five brother.

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“Later that day she fucked me better than she ever had” I hope you said: “you’ve been phoning it in for our entire relationship, slut. that performance you just gave is the new standard. now, agian. but better.” “and we have been having real, honest, urgent monkey sex on our date nights ever since” now try for the car bjs on a non-date night. “This was only 3 weeks ago, and I still don’t live at home.” and I’m sure you know why you can’t go back until you get lots of car bjs. you should file the divorce papers… Read more »

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@Is This Thing On? Thanks for Christine’s comment which confused unenthused sex with coercive assault. Some immature women blame men for their own decisions to have bad sex. But some betas try to negotiate desire and then threaten butthurt tantrums unless the women reciprocate with sex. Awkward women can find it easier to just have bad sex than to face nasty consequences of rejection. Unfortunately, the minority of beta predators use their coercive tactics on a majority of women. The “Cat Person” essay resonated precisely because so many women have experienced legitimate concerns of unpleasantness or danger. It poisons dating… Read more »

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@ Marelius Great story. Great job figuring out what you need to know, developing the skills you need, and executing without fear. I know what you mean about covert contracts – the unspoken “agreements’ we make w women that say if I do x, you’ll do y… Not healthy at all. I’m right there with you on zeroing yourself out. I’ve never had a problem with that, ever, and I’m guessing that is probably the reason ive never experienced being fleeced or fucked over by a woman, despite having had several LTRs. And look, for me its a totally different… Read more »

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Kl,

“But some betas try to negotiate desire and then threaten butthurt tantrums unless the women reciprocate with sex. Awkward women can find it easier to just have bad sex than to face nasty consequences of rejection…..

“Unfortunately, the minority of beta predators use their coercive tactics on a majority of women. ”

Very good.

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“Unfortunately, the minority of beta predators use their coercive tactics on a majority of women. ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GrjqRVDTz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0T2mMAfsx8

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@Marelius
Excellent account (plus Fleezer’s analysis)
My questions:
Was all that family counseling completely unproductive? Counterproductive?
What were the screaming sessions about, and did they do any good? Any further harm?
(Fleezer’s looking at the sex aspect with devastating precision, while I’m curious about the verbal communications)

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@TuffLuv & Marelius, thanks for sharing. Powerful stuff.

Tuff, did she cheat on you, or you on her? May not matter now, but just curious.

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cosign, fleezer.

tie her up face down. fuck her. drag her off to the side of the bed, force her to stand tied up, fuck her more, slide her to tbe floor, pour tequila, wine, bourbon off your dick into her mouth, AFTER she begs for it. feel free to take the mouth gag out. whatever. now stop. leaving her tied up eat a bowl of ice cream at the kitchen table, have a beer, enjoy the moment, then go back fuck her some more, cum in her mouth.

it worked for me.

you’ll be an unrecognizable god and deserve nothing less.

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Eh,

Lol! I’d ease up on that porn habit bro, its not good for ya.

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Marelius

Great story. You got to where 90% of Athol Kay’s purple pillrrs couldn’t get to. You did all the work. The last 10%. The hard work.

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Mitch

You should ease up on your choirboy habit… Eh’s story is all here. You might take a look at it.

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There will never be a time when modern mainstream runs a story like “Training women and girls to honor men, to not wrongly accuse men of improper conduct, and to not abuse their privileges as the protected sex” http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/09/health/metoo-training-men-boys-honor-women/index.html To the FI thinks we are animals to be trained then?, I’m baffled on how the monsters of the FI write “rules” as some of the old books had rules for women, you know the whole: The wife should obey without question, which I think is bullshit, most women do wish for the man to take charge, but they should follow… Read more »

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There used to be a time long ago, when a father protected his daughter(s) from older men, or ” men ” in general, until she was old enough and wise enough to fend for herself.

“There used to be a time long ago, when a father protected his daughter(s) from herself until she was married.”

FIFY

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