The Utility of Beta Men – Part I

This week my fellow 21 Convention speaker and good friend Goldmund posted a very poignant essay about his experience stealing a girl away from her Blue Pill orbiter for a same night lay. I’ll paraphrase a bit of it here as I riff on it, but do click over to his blog and read the entire exchange.

Before I do though, let me first begin by stating that I have been the Blue Pill orbiter Goldmund describes here. I think too many readers seem to think I write from some position of Alpha authority; as if I’ve always been the lesser Alpha I am today. I’m sorry if this disillusions anyone, but I’ve run the gamut from being a well-conditioned Blue Pill Beta, to being a verified-by-social proof rock star Alpha, to dropping almost into an Omega status with a BPD girlfriend, to maturing into a Red Pill aware, lesser Alpha I would humbly think of myself as today.

A lot of critics, and even a handful of Red Pill men I know, have a real tough time with what they believe are arbitrary terms – Alpha, Beta, Omega, Blue/Red Pill, etc. – but let me reiterate here that these terms have always been abstracts. They are placeholder words for larger ideas, not binary definitions. A lot of critics also, erroneously, believe that Blue Pill, Beta, Omega, White Knight, etc. are some dismissive insult to end a conversation with, rather than, again, the abstract terms used to describe a man’s condition. I’ve made it clear in prior posts that being Beta or Blue Pill isn’t a life sentence, and neither should it merit our scorn beyond the ignorance that man happens to be a subject of.

I’m prefacing this here because sometimes it’s hard to look at ourselves, or our past selves, from the perspective of a guy who is enduring the same Blue Pill conditioned delusions we had. The Blue Pill orbiter’s role in Goldmund’s story here is a guy I’m sure most Red Pill men can somewhat empathize (if not sympathize) with because they were this guy also. They made the same decisions based on the same foolish Blue Pill preconceptions about women, and due to the same ignorance and lack of any Red Pill awareness we once had. So in this respect, try to understand the following from an objective perspective of what it was like to be that ‘hopeless Blue Pill orbiter’ basing decisions on old books social understanding.

To outline the story briefly, Goldmund was invited to socialize with a friend and what he’d thought was a couple; a nice looking 23 year old woman and her dutiful Beta ‘pseudo-husband’ (edited for content):

It was Sunday evening, the weather was pleasant, and being around a group of great guys who were eager to learn had me in extra fine spirits. A text came in from a friend who said he was hosting some people from out of town and wanted me to join them all for dinner. I met them at a restaurant and sat down to eat.

At first I thought the two attractive people he was hosting were a couple. They were both from Australia and sitting next to each other at the table. I noticed that the guy was catering to the girl, not standing his ground in conversation, and ended up paying for her.

After dinner we all went to a bar where a band was playing, the girl came over to me and we started to chat. I immediately asked her “so, is that your husband?” and she responded with “oh, no, he’s just a friend” and gave a hungry ‘save me’ look.

[…] The Australian guy stood next to the girl while I walked closer to the front, and after the first song, I looked back and waved her over. She came right away and the guy glared at me like I was Satan.

She stood right in front of me and began dancing a little. While I rubbed my crotch on her wiggling ass, my hands went to her hips, then felt up her flat stomach before caressing her big boobs.

I said into her ear, “I’m going to take you on a date right now” and she looked back and smiled.

At this point you can probably see where this is going. One thing I think is very important to point out here is that Beta male orbiters of most stripes can simultaneously end up being their own worst enemies while reinforcing the Alpha impression of his sexual competitors. In most cases, that orbiter’s status is set in woman’s hindbrain and as such any other man’s status whom she happens to encounter is measured against his. Game savvy men should (usually do) know that Beta orbiters are an opportunity to establish an implied social proof. Orbiters actually strengthen your Game and SMV because of his baseline status and subconscious comparing of Hypergamous options.

Women want men who other men want to be and other women want to fuck. Whether it’s actually true or not, to a woman’s mind, her impression of your orbiter’s status means you are a man who wants to be like the competing Alpha – the guy who she and other women want to fuck.

In most instances there’s no real reason to AMOG an orbiter. We’ll get to this in a bit, but understand now that most orbiters are unwitting volunteers in aiding a Red Pill, Game aware, man boost his signal, so to speak, by complaining, doubting and criticizing the efficacy (or ethics) of it. In doing so, his less (or non) competitive status is also reinforced with every positive response a woman returns for that Red Pill awareness.

Remember, stay objective here, focus on what’s transpiring and why it’s working. Whether you’re the Blue Pill orbiter or the Red Pill seducer in a scenario like this, the real education comes from observing the process.

Goldmund continues:

We went to the back of the venue, and my friend came up to me and said “hey man, listen, that guy is really upset that you are hitting on the girl”.

“Well she surely isn’t going to fuck him, they aren’t together”

“Yeah, but he paid for her to come out to New York [from Australia], and last night, he told her that he loved her”

I couldn’t help but burst out laughing.

While this conversation was going on, the guy went up to the girl and begged her not to leave with me. At this point, I despised him, especially after my friend informed me that he had referred to me as ‘a creepy predator’, and wanted to teach him a lesson that stung. Especially since he was taller, better looking, and much more arrogant than me.

Right about here you’ll probably have a real tough time with the ethics of this scenario, but lets run down a few of the facts we know at this stage. First, ‘Pseudo-Husband’ is now the kind of Beta who pays for non-interested, or semi-interested women to go on international trips with him. This in itself is material for an entire post, but any Red Pill aware guy knows the mindset of the Beta sexual resource exchange – also known as the Savior Schema.

Just as an aside, I think this schema becomes all the more interesting when you account for the Sugar Babies companionship/sex dynamic going on today. It might be easy to think a Sugar Daddy paying for a woman’s exclusive attention would simply vote that girl off the island by closing his wallet, but when you mix pride, alcohol, Beta Game and expectation-but-not-expectation of sex with a Sugar Baby, well, that can make for a very volatile outcome. There’s a certain expectation of ROI when you pay for a woman’s international vacation.

Obviously Goldmund’s approach shifts at this stage, but, being the seasoned seduction artist he is, he has more than enough intel on the guy and IOIs from the girl to get the lay. At this point I expect Goldmund made it personal, but we’ll discuss this towards the end.

‘Pseudo-Husband’s’ impression of Goldmund as “creepy predator” is another tell as to his Blue Pill conditioned mindset. “Creepy predator” is fem-speak. It’s what I expect to hear come from a woman’s mouth, but when it comes from a man it’s a giveaway as to his conditioning; in this case feminine-primary.

As I’d rather not copy and paste all of Goldmund’s story here, I’ll ask that you read the sexual details on his site. Suffice it to say Goldmund expertly Games this woman and has quick-hit sex with her at the venue they were at. However, to continue with the analysis of this girl’s orbiter, let’s skip ahead to some select quotes:

Her face was red and we had been gone for about 20 minutes, so when we returned to the table, I’m 100% sure that everyone knew what just went down. The guy didn’t say a word while the rest of us chatted about sex over drinks, and when I got up to go home, he didn’t say goodbye. As I was leaving I told my friend to mention The Rational Male to him.

Major lessons found in this one, and they are so clear because a few years ago, I could picture myself being in the loser’s situation (I wouldn’t go so far as to pay for a chick to fly across the world, but I’ve done some extremely pathetic things in attempts to woo girls).

Game taught me that girls are incredibly sexual creatures, love being dirty, think about sex often, need it, and want to get fucked by men who are wild.

I’m sure the Australian guy never thought the girl was capable of having sex in a bar bathroom by a stranger, yet it happened right under his nose. Its hard to think of a bigger example of getting friend-zoned than this guy who had spent 1000s of dollars on the girl to confess his ‘love’ for her, only to be cucked by some Playboy she just met.

I think this is one of the hardest lessons a Blue Pill man has to learn before he understands the importance of being Red Pill aware. Most ‘Nice Guy’ orbiters/friends never really need to be AMOG’d by a sexual rival because they’re ignorant of the nature of Hypergamy. Even the ones who’ve experienced it personally from a woman, or having it flaunted in their face via commercial Open Hypergamy, these men still want their dream girl to somehow be different. Many a White Knight has been knocked from his horse after having the truth of women’s sexual natures viscerally illustrated for him. It’s the guys who go into denial, who fall back on the “Quality Woman” rationale and get back on the white horse who are truly lost.

I’ve been friend-zoned before and remember it being some of the most frustrating, mentally clouding times of my life. This guy was seething with anger so bad, he couldn’t even speak–or attempt to fight. The friend-zone is anguishing. Overcoming it happened when I started reading stories like the one above, started assuming every girl has slutty tendencies and will use weak guys for money, attention, gifts, or whatever it is that they are lacking.

Having your Blue Pill ego-investments dispelled in such a brutal fashion often leads to two types of misdirected anger: anger at the sexual rival who just schooled you in the most personal way about women’s Hypergamous sexual natures, and anger with a woman (or women) who are simply incapable of appreciating, or abiding, by the old social contracts, the old books he believes they ought to be.

This anger is not so much about a loss of investment as it is about a Blue Pill man having his inner world destroyed by outer world facts.

There was a point in my own life when I was something very similar to the Australian guy. I’m glad Goldmund mentioned my site and books to this guy’s friend because I’m still hopeful for men like this. I’ve had a few men in my Red Pill sphere tell me I ought not to care about men who don’t want, or don’t know how, to intrasexually compete; either due to their arrogance or ignorance. But that’s not what my goal is. While I understand that sometimes it’s necessary to Ghost on men at times, that’s never going to be my first impulse.

If the dude was cool about the situation and humble enough to talk to me like an adult about it, I would have gladly given him some advice and probably just got the girls number at some point and arranged to meet her privately.

Ego is the reason most people stay bluepill, you have to be honest with yourself and admit when something is wrong. And then find ways to fix it.

Hypergamy and Evolution want Hoes Before Bros

I understand Goldmund’s sentiment here. About 9 months, maybe a year ago I ran a Twitter poll asking whether it should be considered a Red Pill aware man’s duty to educate Beta men about their Blue Pill beliefs and why it’s the source of a lot of their troubles. For the most part, the consensus was that men should help other guys. That’s encouraging, but it’s also not always advisable. I find it fascinating that despite all of the attraction and arousal Red Pill aware men can knowingly generate in women with Dark Triad personality traits, they still believe they can compartmentalize those traits when it comes to helping their fellow man.

Should Goldmund have backed off this girl out of respect for a man who was obviously trapped in a Blue Pill negative feedback loop with her? Or did he do both him and her a favor?

I’ve personally had one of my best friends bang a girl I was locked in the friendzone with. This was a girl I’d tried for months to get her to sexually respond to my pathetically Blue Pill “I really care” Beta Game. I vividly remember (I was 19) the night I introduced him to her and so began a literal fuck-fest between the two of them that lasted about 2 months after only meeting for an hour that night. It was a hard kick in the teeth to take, one my friend and the girl showed absolutely no remorse or regret for, but it taught me a very valuable lesson. All the bullshit about “bros before hoes” all the idealistic pretty Blue Pill lies I believed about being friends and comfort first before sex went right out the window that week – where they belonged.

Personally it was hard to take, but objectively it was exactly what I needed to experience. I think this is a hard line for even a lot of Red Pill men to really cross today. Granted, I expect Goldmund was really into banging this girl that night more than he wanted to teach this guy some object lesson, but I think it’s going to be a really difficult area for Red Pill guys to sort out for themselves when it comes to “helping” Blue Pill guys unplug.

I’m reminded of the story about the guy who taped the note about banging another guy’s girlfriend under the toilet seat.

What is a Red Pill aware man’s ethical responsibility to Blue Pill men?


This is a two-part series of posts. In the next post I’ll consider how Red Pill men might deal with Blue Pill men in non-sexually competitive situations, and the advantages and dangers you might encounter.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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SFC Ton

I always me…

Those who don’t get that need yet more work on their frame

Words of the day.

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La verità regola, always.

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In a gadda da vida?

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“In bygone eras . . .”

. . . Aussie’s association with the girl would have got him pounded to a pulp and the girl branded a whore long before Goldmund showed up.

One of the Jovian games being played is Chinese Menu social contracting, taking one from column A and two from column B out of their social context and trying to mash them together as suits him.

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Lol, I mighta got that wrong. My spanish is better than my Italian as I get 10x the practice at Spanish.

It’s either ” regola ” or ” regole “.

Maybe ” Regole della verità “???

Aw shucks, never mind.

Lmao.

Truth Rules.

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@ Ton

We avoided the protection pay thing. I’m not absolutely clear as to why, but I think it was because the guys liked to just hang out around the shop, and we took car of their autos, even without discounts or anything like that.

I could always make an extra 60 bucks by polishing one of their cars, and in the 70’s, 60 bucks went a looonnngggg way. So naturally, when one of them bellowed ” hey kid!!! Can you polish my car right now? “, I dropped everything and got busy. Lol.

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ASD,
Cool story, bro.
Tell me another, ladykiller.

You’re trying to AMOG, but you’re falling on your ass. Everyone can see it butt you.

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@ Anonymous Reader “Likewise. Pieces of that older contract, including something like marriage 1.0, still can be argued to exist in culturally conservative churches. I’ve been in some of those groups around the US. With The Glasses on a man can see women mate guarding themselves, women mate guarding each other, and so forth. It’s getting to be a bit counter cultural, what with minimal divorces and so forth. But it exists. To participate a man must be willing to actively participate in the religon.” It may or may not be a non sequitur for me to announce that I… Read more »

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Rollo

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Completely unrelated but Ton mentioned his motorcycle.

Finally recently finished my MSF last month, bought a cbr300r (just a tiny thing). Had a sweet ride this afternoon. Man that thing can lean, but I don’t dare take it to the limit yet.
I foresee less women this summer but more riding. Which is a good thing – I’ve been too caught up getting pussy at a price.

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@SJF, > Crazy shit like infidelity and stealing girls just doesn’t happen much. . . . that you’re aware of, LOL Have been learning from a PUA colleague about the Secret Society. Been introducing me to a world that virtually all men have no idea of its existence. Believe me, women everywhere, including upper-middle class women married to self made men who you’re convinced “are not interested in cheating because they’re married to guys who have their male shit together” . . . get into this world with surprising regularity. And FTR, infidelity and girl stealing isn’t even crazy in… Read more »

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Blax, I’m sure it is:

regole di verità

In older Italian probably:

praecepta vero

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Those are great bikes! And most sports bikes are way more bike the riders can handle….like me on that duc….. which is why sport bike guys end up as organ donors ……….. Hate to speculate about things like that Blax. Not that I know much about IBM, only real contact my family ever had with them was generations ago, during Prohibition and it didn’t go well for the city folk. I have seen crews stack up favor chips just in case but them sort of fellas are normally working some kind of angle, but I will say this; no doubt… Read more »

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Yeah I lived in an old school super zip code full of old money; that sort of “crazy shit” was going down on the regular. Lost track of the number of dudes who had kept women…. almost all of them in the same college/ port town. Like Willimington is the sugar baby capital of NC or some shit

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Wilmington the sugar baby capitol of NC? Hmm. Bet Raleigh-Durham is right up there nearly tied. But not Asheville! No way! Heh.

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“. . . that you’re aware of, LOL” Turns out it doesn’t matter…. But I acknowledge what you are saying. Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That’s impossible. Instead… only try to realize the truth. Neo: What truth? Spoon boy: There is no spoon. Neo: There is no spoon? Spoon boy: Then you’ll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. I proceed in that manner. In keeping with the theme of the original post, “Be an exciting rock, these damn girls want it all….haha” My part of the bargain has come… Read more »

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June 3, 2017 at 2:16 pm

That was a great listen. Thanks.

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ROLLO will you come on with part 2 I want to see if it got a Disney land finish. Maybe Aussie goes back down under and fucks bathroom girls little sister or something. Then they get married and sail down the river of hope in a canoe singing cum by ya. Hell it could happen. Maybe he finds the red pill. They make musical about his life story. Any way I’m patiently waiting for part 2

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Raleigh Durham has way more then it’s fair share of college hotties and I use to cunt hunt there on the regular but the guys I know who have legit kept women keep them in Wilmington.

Which makes me think it’s an issue of social class and it possibly being easier to explain a trip to Wilmington then Raleigh, Durham or Ashville. That’s idle speculation on my behalf but every dude I know with an official side piece warehouses the bitch in Wilmington

My idea of having kept women is keeping then in my house.

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ASD, I don’t have to AMOG in relation to you. I’m already higher status than you, no need to kick a dead horse. I’m just having fun now, at your expense. Rollo, Seems like from Goldmund’s follow up that he’s actually catching some consequences now for what he did. Was it worth it? A drunken poke in the toilet with a chick he’ll never see again, and now these people don’t want him around any more social settings? I guess it depends on how much this particular group of people means to him, how important they are in his life.… Read more »

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” Which makes me think it’s an issue of social class and it possibly being easier to explain a trip to Wilmington then Raleigh, Durham or Ashville. That’s idle speculation on my behalf but every dude I know with an official side piece warehouses the bitch in Wilmington…”

Ton, I tell ya, we’ve probably passed each other at some point in life. Lol. I used to haunt Raleigh Durham too. Quite frequently. But this was eons ago, before all of those tech companies moved in the area and the influx of northern folk happened.

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Man those were the days for Raleigh! Man did they ruin the town. On my last bbq run to Raleigh some chick with a jersey accent was trying to tell me what was real Carolina bbq. Turned out the joint was owned by this family from up north.

No thanks to that

Maybe we have, though I am 10 years your junior

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Here is a pro tip for you sparky, if you have to declare yourself the winner you probably ain’t

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Gotta read Goldmund’s follow up post.

But before I do, let me just put something out there on the table.

I still say Goldmund did nothing ” wrong “. Evidently it was more ill advised than he thought, but I find it appalling that people close to him would give him shit. He didn’t rape anybody.

A simple ” Hey man, stop fucking chicks in bathrooms when we hang out ” should suffice.

Social consequences? Well, whatever. Depends on just how deeply you are tied to the ( blue pill ) opinions of others, and what social circles you choose to inhabit.

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Carolina bbq.

My mouth and eyes are watering.

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LOL folks I roll with would be surprised if I didn’t bang the bitch in the bath room, or bent her over my Harley behind the bar

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SFC,

Do you have PTSD?

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@ Kid

” You can be rest assured, I would be willing – and quite able – to enforce my boundaries on you, should you have tried to pull a Goldmund. ”

And this^^^^ is exactly how it should be. From time to time men test each other. Nothing wrong with that, in this violence avoidance society we inhabit.

Kid, even though we see this issue differently, we seem to think alike in some respects.

We’re savages.

Lmao.

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQM0XqvzAC0&w=1280&h=720%5D

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@ Kid

Easy man. You joke about the wrong shit when trying to be funny. You’re stepping out of fucking line.

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I’m already higher status than you

You’re a giant in your own mind.

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SFC,

Do you have PTSD?

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I can only imagine that Ton had it. And dismissed it in a couple hours.

What don’t you actually enjoy about being masculine?

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Blax,

I was asking SFC in all seriousness if he has PTSD. I get that vibe from him, based on the way he writes and the things he says, combined with his military history. Not a joke, wasn’t trying to be funny.

Eddie Murphy Raw is the best, love it! Golden age of stand up comedy.

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@Kid Gamma Seems like from Goldmund’s follow up that he’s actually catching some consequences now for what he did. Was it worth it? A drunken poke in the toilet with a chick he’ll never see again, and now these people don’t want him around any more social settings? I guess it depends on how much this particular group of people means to him, how important they are in his life. Hmm. How much did G have invested in this lot? Not a lot. Will his friend vanish? G probably doesn’t care…often better to ditch Blue Pill friends. Still, thx for… Read more »

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SJF,

I enjoy everything about being masculine. You?

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Shit, Kid

Move through Denial, Anger, Bargaining and Depression. Acceptance is your Red Pill target.

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ASDGamma,

Don’t you have dancing to do with Mrs. Gamma and your Harem of Platonic Dancers who you’re “gaming” tonight?

Or is it “gamma-ing?”

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SJF, if you’re going to throw a diss at me, at least have it make sense.

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@ Kid

If you’re serious, and it was not a joke, well alright. I don’t think that this comment thread, with the way it’s been getting heated, is the forum to ask Ton that question. He has a blog and you could reach him. But once we all start fucking with each other and going at each other, you can see how your question can get misconstrued.

Benefit of doubt advanced.

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“I enjoy everything about being masculine. You?”

I’ve already stated as much. And I’m happy with my red pill. While you are choking on it.

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“SJF, if you’re going to throw a diss at me, at least have it make sense.”

Sorry, I claim Inscrutable Mastermind Status. You are on your own. Good luck with that.

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SJF,

Have you been drinking?

Blax,

That’s why I think this comment section should be moderated. I understand why Rollo wants open commentary, but the shit talking goes too far and you can’t tell seriousness from insults from joking.

I can talk shit pretty well, and here it seems a necessary survival skill, but I’d rather be talking about serious stuff here, in the spirit of Rollo’s OPs.

Kind of tough when one makes a point and 5 guys jump down his throat with insults.

It is what it is.

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@Kid Gamma This shit is fun! Don’t you have dancing to do with Mrs. Gamma and your Harem of Platonic Dancers who you’re “gaming” tonight? Or is it “gamma-ing?” lol, good one, gamma-ing…if I wanted to know how to gamma. I’d just watch you trying to shame me for doing what I want? lol, you’re a trip platonic dancers, lol, these broads are looking for dick when they approach a man around midnight in a hookup bar…I don’t mention uggos or whales who approach me or try to get my attention…very few of those do…most are hotties…but you probably don’t… Read more »

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ASDGamma,

Seems like you’re watching me quite intensely. It’s getting *creepy*.

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SJF,

Have you been drinking?

Most certainly

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@KJ really, don’t take this personally…just men punching each other in the arm I was out at a boardgame meetup today and a broad saw me and said hi, but I didn’t recognize her…she had changed her looks radically…she had a look of being taken aback…later I sent her a message that I didn’t have any problem with her new look…it was just that my face recognition software needed updating…hah!…I felt that she needed a little comfort…she replied quickly that I was fine…she’s about a 7 (face and figure…nice boobs!) and mid-20s…I’d say that me just being myself without dancing… Read more »

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Honor is a man’s reputation for strength, courage and mastery within the context of an honor group comprised primarily of other men. Stated as a masculine virtue: Honor is concern for one’s reputation for strength, courage and mastery within the context of an honor group comprised primarily of other men.—Pg 57 The Way of Men

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Seems like you’re watching me quite intensely. It’s getting *creepy*.

Damn straight! I’m enjoying our sparring. You feeling creeped out just makes me lol.

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SJF,
Have you been drinking?
Most certainly

Seems I’ve fallen behind.

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“Seems I’ve fallen behind.

A commenter like Kill the Joy should only be a complement to your keyboard session, not the focus of it.

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@SJF

Fuck me, autism strikes again! You’re right!

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Having read Goldmund’s latest article, I still render a ” Not Guilty ” verdict. I won’t even share any of my ” drunk fuck ” stories. Shit happens. But I’ve been thinking a lot about the OP and Goldmund’s piece and why I’m so adamant in my opinion. Self reflection and examination and all that. When I bounced in a strip club, I encountered lots of guys that would imprint on a dancer to stupid crazy levels in just a few hours. The club had a strict ” hands off ” policy that fell to me to enforce. So not… Read more »

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And I’ll be damned if Rugby’s reference to Jordan Peterson’s videos and his endorsement of The Trailer Park Boys on Netflix doesn’t really make sense.

That shit is enjoyable.

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ASD, I played a college graduation party today. I’m a musician, I play bass guitar. I have a few different projects going, this was a 3 piece classic rock/blues joint I do with a couple other guys. Party was for a friend of guitarist/singer’s daughter. North Jersey suburbs. Man, several cute 22 yr old chicks there. Made eyes with a couple of them. Between sets, approached and talked, light convo, teasing. Only problem was the venue; these chicks had their little boyfriends there, parents lurking around, etc; so I moderated myself, because of the venue, plus I was working. Wouldn’t… Read more »

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@ Blaximus

My buddy thinks you are a fat Jewish guy sitting in his basement as an incel. And a KJ

I’m not so sure.

Thanks man. For your Frame.

And I doubt his assertions.

https://youtu.be/GhlSvVxLYjw

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Kid Jupiter
June 3, 2017 at 7:33 pm

You a fucking rock star. you.

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but my field of fucks is barren.

throw a little manure on it

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We have all done stupid things. Most of us remember them with some regret. But chest thumping after being invited to a party and pulling your host’s friend’s girl for a fuck in the bathroom reveals a pathologically approbating attitude to what appears to be incontinence. Personally, if I am that thirsty, I would rather stick it into a prostitute.

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SJF,

At what point are you going to cut the shit? ASD, Blax, and even Rollo have seemed to welcome me into the group to communicate on the level, and you continue with the attacks.

WTF is your problem, man?

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@KJ

You AMOG the boyfriends and parents as the cool, fun guy. You wait until the cockblockers (bf’s, parents, friends) have comfort with you before you pay any attention to the girls. You pull the nos. using plausible deniability so that no one is put off. E.g., maybe you will teach them bass or hook them up with a voice coach, etc. Hand them a business card. Sneaky fucker strategy. I’m just kj-ing…but I am really fucking smart when it comes to tactics.

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… Oy vey

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@ cheupez

Disagree about the thirst level.

When I was single, and wanted sex, if the opportunity presented itself in the lavatory, I’d most likely would’ve went for it. it’s not thirsty ime. Especially if a few stiff drinks were involved. It seems a lot of dissenters act like he banged the woman in full view of all of the guests or something.

Opportunity and urgency makes shit happen. That’s a PUA standard.

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I have a hard time taking a decent dump in a public bathroom. But you guys are banging chicks in there. Maybe I really am BP.

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I must admit I am unwilling to confess how many times I screwed chicks in the club’s gents/ladies. (Hell, I even did one last week!) But I would not have done with the girl of a friend of the guy who invited me to a party. No. But that’s just me… In fact as I reflect more on this I smell lack of self confidence in the Gm fella. He is trying validate himself. Being invited to a party and knowingly going for the host’s friend’s girlfriend is a bit lame. But thumping your chest during and even after the… Read more »

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@Kid Jupiter @10:13pm: great post, LOL.

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Only recourse for aussie bloke was to follow them into the bog and go full Bateman. Logistics of disposal may have been a bit tricky. Lot of cutting and flushing required.

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@ cheupez

So, it’s all on Goldmund, and the chick is blameless?

She was forced and coerced and dragged off against her will?

Nah, hoes gonna hoe. Hoes are good for the environment. Eco friendly and biodegradable.

Just don’t fucking try to date one and fly her anywhere. Aussie should’ve just taken her into a bathroom back in Australia.

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Add PTSD to the long list of shit you know nothing about

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@cheupez Being invited to a party and knowingly going for the host’s friend’s girlfriend is a bit lame. Yeah, no sense enforcing your boundaries when the host’s friend calls you a “creepy fucker.” Totally right. And nowadays it’s perfectly Ok to claim property rights over women you aren’t banging. Again, totally right. Hell, if my friend who invited me to the party claimed property rights over some broad he isn’t banging, I’d go for her if I wanted. But that’s just me. There’s a fishy smell of the FI (like a diseased cunt) in a lot of these anti-Gm comments.… Read more »

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@KJ

I have a hard time taking a decent dump in a public bathroom.

Try using the stool instead of the urinal.

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The strip club world is a fucked up way to make a living

The girls are fucked in the head

The patron are fucked in the head

Owning one makes you fucked in the head

Bouncing in one will make you red pill or fucked in the head. It does give you the chance to bang strippers but once you’ve spent so,easy serious time around them the last thing you want to do with dancers is fuck them but if you want to bang strippers pick them up at the gym, rehab or be the guy slinging coke at them

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Hey Blax, are many strippers also whoring?

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I got to get up to Cripple Creek on the near future

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Ton
Did you make dead horse and join the frozen few.
When you make the creek look me up.

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Hell yeah Stuff!

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@ ASD Strippers that I was responsible for didn’t ” whore ” in the club. I babysat. But I have no real clue what a lot of them did with their down time. But the girls I knew were sending thousands of dollars back to family in Brazil. Same with the Russian girls. Shit, these chicks had thousand dollar phone bills monthly. Yet, I know that guys were offering money to bang, and I’m positive that a lot of dudes that offered 500 – 1,000 bucks probably got ass. Once I dropped them off at their homes, I could care… Read more »

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Hell yeah we’ll do something even if it’s right!

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“So, it’s all on Goldmund, and the chick is blameless?” Both The Incubus and the Jovian are working from that axiom. Well, not blameless, but a very different order of blame, one in which the blame carries no sense of responsibility. The blame of a puppy caught chewing your slippers. Goldmund is the one who needs to be beat up, even though it takes two to tango, because he was the actor with agency. And perhaps that’s the way it ought to be, but it isn’t the way it was. The social rules of engagement were those that allowed the… Read more »

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What an awful story. The Australian chap had a covert contract going on there (he pays for girls holiday in return for love and sex from girl). I don’t know what the girl had said to him, but she was wrong to accept the offer of a free holiday. Knowing what I know about women which isn’t very much (I avoid women like this like the plague, which is most women), the girl probably made up some sob story about being stressed at work, or not having had a holiday and being so tired and ill, or whatever, knowing that… Read more »

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“Clearly my Mum was bought up in a social climate where women who behaved like this were ostracised and shamed . . .”

And thus didn’t understand she was telling your sister something she already knew all too well, your mother believing that your sister wouldn’t behave like that if she understood it.

Rather than behaving like that because she did.

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@kfg

I don’t disagree, my Sister knew exactly what she was doing, and she got more adept the more people she manipulated.

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@Chunky Monkey:

And in between your mother and your sister is Ought vs. Is confusion.

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Lol Blax, I did my stripper time and seen that shit from damn near every angle. Where ever there are biker’s or soldiers there are strippers. I had a boss who gave most of our mission warning order briefs for our training ops at this strip club famous for the ugliest strippers and cheapest beer. I think he had a stake in that joint but it was raunchy as hell and you could cut lose there. Occasionally the dancers would earn some sympathy money but I am pretty sure they made more money in tips from waitressing then dancing. I… Read more »

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“. . . I thought for sure she would shoot me down and me and the crew would be laughing about it over pancakes.”

An entire tome on alpha mindset boiled down to its essence. Read it and learn, Boys.

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Regarding the girl in the story about the Assuie beta It’s likely she knew the Aussie beta wanted to bang her. And it’s likely she had no problems abusing his generosity for a vacation and it’s likely she had no plans on banging the Aussie chump or any other dude then along comes some dude who knows how to trip her triggers and she’s getting bent over in the bathroom, tottaly unaware of how it all went down….. “it just happened” Here’s the deal. In this life you are either a pimp, a ho or a trick. Pimps know life… Read more »

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And the prime dictum of pimps and ho’s is “Never smarten up a trick.”

That’s why TRM is subversive. And that’s why Goldmund did the Aussie, who would likely never find his way to TRM and would have his sensibilities* offended if he did, a favor.**

*In the universe outside of KJ’s head this means “finer feelings” and offend is a synonym for “hurt.”

**An act of kindness beyond what is due or usual.

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ChunkyMonkey The Australian chap had a covert contract going on there (he pays for girls holiday in return for love and sex from girl). In his mind, yeah. In her mind, not so much. Very possibly a case of oneitis. Stuff like this happens. Buidling up a relationship in your head doesn’t work. Blax posted about the man who got oneitis for a stripper. There’s other versions – college man gets oneitis for a girl, she graduates and gets a job hundreds of miles away, so he packs up and goes to get a job in that city. Or college… Read more »

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ASD, I only sat in the urinal because I thought the water running down my back would help me relax. kfg, “KJ is accepting the rules that got her there in the first place and then suddenly shouting, “New rules!,” when under those new rules (old rules which accepting as applying now mean you are Blue Pill) Aussie guy would be due the respect owed to a scoundrel who had absconded with a whore who was not his. Not a party of ladies and gentlemen, but a den of the lowest thieves squabbling over the loot.” ——— I’m glad I… Read more »

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PS, sorry for all the typos, guys. I’m in a rush, wanted to bang that one out to give fresh meat for kfg, SJF, SFC, to jump down my throat today. And maybe mersonia will come out of the woodwork, too – who knows?

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Step one in being a man is stop playing the victim card. You tried to race card us for fucks sakes. No one here respects that bitch ass shit. No one gets the pussy pass around here #2 there is no justice in this life. If a man wants justice he has to make it for himself. If Aussie cuck wants his due from that bitch he should drop some flab, back on some muscle, shave his head, grow a beard, buy a Harely, lose a tooth in a bar fight, get some offensive ink, man the fuck up and… Read more »

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LOL I do a lot of shit for the lol’s KFG

Every moment of everyday we are selling our brand, whether we know it or not.

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SFC,

Step #3 is GET A FUCKING SENSE OF HUMOR! Good christ, get the stick out of your ass, guy.

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Race card? kfg basically called me a ‘barbarian’ because I’m Sicilian. So I asked him if he would do the same if I were a Jew or Black – takes a little more balls to go after those ethnic groups so overtly.

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“…. When did I make this assertion?” With nearly every word you have written. You are about the only who does not understand what you have written means and how you fail to keep the boundaries clear between ought and is. That’s why men are “laughing” at you. For the record, I am not one of those men. I am, deliberately and with “malice” aforethought, poking you with a pointy stick. I can offer no excuses for offending your sensibilities. It is what I intended to do. I’m not here to engender good feelings about me. I’m here to smarten… Read more »

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good lord fellas, I step away from the computer for a couple of days and am excited about going over the comments… it’s like panning for gold, gotta go thru a whole bunch of dirt to find a nugget or two

here’s what I get instead

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….and to who wrote this “guy deserves to be treated with respect”

…. from one of my all time faves:

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kfg, Not at all. I can tell you agree with me on a Meta level re. the socio issue. We’re talking in parallel, our minds aren’t meeting. I’m actually not sure right now how to steer my thoughts in your direction. My philosophy is to go always down swinging, because at least you made an effort, at least you went down in action, not passively. (As an analogy, I cringe when baseball players strike out looking, especially when their eyeballing borderline pitches. Swing the fking bat!) Regarding Aussie, I’ve been saying that all along. In that situation, the guy already… Read more »

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“Every moment of everyday we are selling our brand, whether we know it or not.”

Says the Ton, Tonishly.
There really ought to be a page reserved just for his quotable quotes.

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