The following post quote has been making the rounds in professional circles. It’s from Sallie Krawcheck, CEO of Ellevest, an investment firm dedicated to helping women with financial investment (no jargon, no ‘playing’ stocks for sport, no mansplaining, you got this). She’s also the “chair” of Elevate Network, a global professional women’s network. I’m adding this here to make a later point, but it’s important to understand how normalized it’s become for women to create a sexually exclusionary organization for women who will simultaneously complain about men’s sexism for not accommodating their (presumably successful) business culture to the interests of women. More on that later.
I thought I’d riff on this click-bait for, I assume, professional women because I expect we’ll see more of this prefabricated outrage in the coming years as a response to what will undoubtedly be the suffering of the Trump era in America. I’ll be the first to admit I was surprised by Trump’s win, but the denial of the First Female President® into the White House will be the cause du jour for every jilted woman who believes she’s a “professional”. Even if Clinton had won the mainstream would’ve been inundated with how ‘we still have a long way to go’ stories, however, with Trump in the Presidency the same tired narrative of systemic male sexism will get reinvigorated in the coming years.
From, A Letter to young women, in the age of Trump:
When I was your age, I thought it was over. My mother was a feminist, so I wanted to call myself anything but a feminist. And anyway, I seemed pretty welcome at work. Even though it was Wall Street, my analyst class was about a third women. We weren’t just on our way — we’d arrived.
But then…there were the inappropriate pictures left on my desk. The guy miming a sex act when my back was turned. I wasn’t given the great assignments; the more senior woman I worked with was likewise dismissed as “lightweight” (and, lest you think that might have been true, that woman was Safra Catz, now the co-President of Oracle). Then the women started to fall away in their 30s…more in their 40s. But the worst of it, I thought was over.
And now Trump has made it clear to everyone that the battle for us women is not over.
In femopshere there will always be an ‘us’. As I’ve outline in many prior essays, the Sisterhood will always take precedence above religion, politics, personal conviction and even family affiliations for women. Largely this is due to women’s evolved propensity for collectivism among their own sex. In our hunter gatherer beginnings women had an interdependent need for collective support for keeping tribal cohesion as well as child rearing.
This intrasexual collective support has carried over into what’s become the Sisterhood today. If you look at the interactions of young girls and their social group interdependence you begin to see that nascent tribal collectivism naturally come through. In terms of larger societal scope this collectivity becomes about acknowledging a shared experience of an imagined oppression by men. Between all women there is a gestalt understanding of “the plight of women” and a presumption of an endemic sexism no matter how culturally or socioeconomically dissimilar those women are.
As I mentioned, Trump is now a universal icon of that presumption of sexism and oppression. Granted, it could’ve been any man who displaced a woman in the history books, but the fall back presumption is that whoever ‘he’ is, he becomes emblematic of a ready narrative of sexism irrespective of merit. We presume sexism, we presume a guy would mime a sex act behind a woman’s back and leave ‘inappropriate’ pictures on a woman’s desk despite decades of workplace harassment legislation. We believe it because it sounds right; it sounds like something a typical sexist guy would do.
I can’t stop thinking about this and what we can / should do:
Remember that gender bias in the workplace is not a thing of the past. I’m sorry if I didn’t act when I should have. I thought we had left sexism behind us by the time I was in more senior roles. After all, we had complaint hotlines and diversity plans and requirements for diverse slates of candidates for every job. But now I’m remembering one of the members of the senior leadership team who would kiss younger women on the cheek at the beginning of meetings. Creepy, right? I now wonder what was being said when I wasn’t in that room.
What’s creepy is that in spite of years in a professional field that’s been the domain of men she’s just now remembering this fact. Would it have been less creepy if he’d kissed only his age-appropriate women on his leadership team? Professional women’s default presumption is that it is always sexism that is holding them back from breaking through a mythologized ‘glass ceiling’, but as is women’s solipsism, their first thought is that their problems are caused by externalities. Never is there an insight that they may simply lack the skills or that they don’t perform at their peak in a job they were told should be rewarding to them.
Gender biases will never be a thing of the past because to suggest they ever might be so is to presume a default state of egalitarian equality between the sexes. The gender biases in the workplace are most evident in the peer selection and peer evaluations of women – not some secret group of guys getting together in a private office room to expressly talk about a their co-workers’ tits.
As it stands in today’s modern office men are scared shitless every time they are called to cooperate with a woman on work projects for fear of being accused of sexism or harassment:
“In a lawsuit-happy culture, where claims can be made on a ‘he said/she said’ basis, men are now trying to ensure their actions are always covered by a third party witness”
“The terror of being accused of sexual harassment is now so common it has its own term, ‘backlash stress”
There’s a reason HR departments are largely staffed by women, because they want to be positioned in a way that they can execute policy. HR departments no longer exist to serve the company with regards to employees, rather they exist in order to protect that company from lawsuits and enforce feminine-primary conditions in the workplace.
Ask tough questions, and call the guys out when necessary. I recently asked my best guy friend: “Do guys really talk like Donald Trump and Billy Bush behind closed doors?” His response: “No, but…” And the “but” was that the conversations are more along the lines of: “Boy, she has great legs,” or “she’s a looker” or “Whew. Wouldn’t touch her with a ten-foot pole.” When I asked him how he responded to this, he said he didn’t say anything; after all, he has to work with these folks.
But so do we. And breaking us down to our body parts or our appearance dehumanizes us in some way. Maybe it’s only in some small way. But it’s clear that for some years, we (and by we, I mean I) were likely too complacent about the inevitability of gender progress in the workplace and relaxed perhaps just a bit too much.
It’s funny and irreverent when all the girls in the office get together for drinks or a male revue strip show after work, but it’s dehumanizing when men do the same. I’ve known very few men who would ever comment on a woman’s anatomy in a workplace environment. I have known men who would scold other men for staring a little too long at a female co-worker. I have known women to actively flirt with guys and wear inappropriate outfits to get attention from them. I’ve known women who’ve called me and other men I’ve worked with their “work husbands”.
I’ve worked in the liquor and casino promotion businesses for two decades now. I see some pretty wild behavior on the part of women who are not unlike the poor victimized dears Krawcheck describes going to work on Monday mornings.
The modern workplace culture has conditioned men for fear of women thanks largely to strict codes of conduct, but also because these men have been raised from birth to be dutiful Betas and White Knights who look for every opportunity to correct a ‘typical man’ for his sexist and rude behaviors. They look for these backroom boys clubs where women are rated on their looks so as to expose their heinous misogyny and institutionalized sexism, but they are disappointed when they don’t actually find it. So instead they contribute to an atmosphere of fear in some lame form of Beta Game they hope will be recognized and rewarded for by workplace women.
If you’re in a bad work situation, it’s ok to quit. So many women think that it’s a “failure” if you quit your job; and you know how hard we females take failure. But sometimes it’s not us: it’s them.
I recently left the board of a non-profit that I LOVE. I had been on it for years (and years). At nearly every meeting I asked how much we were spending on our investment managers, in comparison to the return we were getting. Meeting after meeting I was told that the answer was complex, it was hard to calculate, it would take a lot of work – and why did it matter anyway? It was really the net returns that matter, regardless of how much we paid for them. And then, last spring, before I could bring up the topic, one of the men did; and all the other guys eagerly agreed with him, that we need to keep an eye on fees because those are really all we can control.
I quit the next week.
Life is too short, and I can have a lot more impact with the week-a-year I get back instead of being ignored in meetings.
I know not everyone is in the position to quit; I wasn’t earlier in my career. So the onus is also on those of us who are more senior to be more supportive of women who leave these situations. I am hopeful that an outcome of this election will be greater understanding of this.
If it had been a woman who’d made the same suggestion would we be hearing about this? Shit like this happens all the time in the workplace. One reason The 48 Laws of Power resonated with men so well is because it was relatable to exactly this kind of situation. Law 7: Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit for it yourself. Sallie sees this as sexism because it happened to be a guy who pulled it on her, but would she have quit the non-profit had it been a woman who outplayed her?
This is the reality of even the most seemingly benign of companies. They are defined by the interplay of power dynamics, but when women are bested in it the sexism narrative is ready on standby to comfort and explain their failure. So it becomes OK to quit, because the environment is always sexist. The business environment is one defined by competition and this grates on women’s expectation of it to be cooperative and collective. Women like Sallie expect recognition for merit, but wish for things to be easier rather than developing the skills to play the game better.
Get yourself a senior, successful – preferably female – mentor, who can help you navigate the politics of your company. This includes the gender politics. Can’t find one on your own? Speak to HR about helping you find one; this is their job, after all.
Your company doesn’t have a senior, successful female? Get the hell out of there.
Really the only sexism I’m seeing in this piece has been one coming from and endorsed by Krawcheck. She bemoans a lack of gender equity and then suggests a female mentor would be preferable to a male one. Her sexism is blatant here – the only definition of a solid reputable company is one that ensures it has a senior, successful female in it. Since most HR departments are staffed primarily with women it’s their job to help you find a senior, successful and female mentor? I’m not a business insider, but I’m pretty sure this isn’t their job.
I made this point in Male Space, but what happens when women insert themselves into a traditionally male dominated domain is that the enterprise becomes about accommodating the female influences rather than the enterprise itself. This entire article is an indictment of this. Again, the solution to a woman’s problem of not being successful is sought externally.
Do your best to make sure that your success is quantified. Be it a sales goal, a client satisfaction rating, an output metric, a quality target. Numbers count here because they’re black-and-white, cut-and-dried. Were you successful or not? I recommend this even if you work in a “normal” company, because implicit gender biases and expectations still exist for all of us.
Solid enough advice, but it’s couched in the context of an expectation of gender biases (at least the type of bias Sallie finds unacceptable). There’re implicit gender biases, but the ones we see dominate even ‘normal’ companies are ones that favor a feminized workforce.
Think about starting your own thing. This is what’s exciting; we have the ability to start our own businesses today, in a way we didn’t in the past. Why not take our marbles to our own playgrounds and build great businesses and cultures? Our mothers couldn’t do this because the cost was so high – but the costs of everything-about-starting-a-business, including technology, people (i.e., freelancers), real estate (co-working spaces) and support services are coming down. And then no one can relegate you to the less-interesting jobs.
Women are taught that they deserve the luxury of interesting jobs. In fact this is the sole reason for even wanting to enter the workforce most times – a rewarding career that’s fulfilling, but as I wrote in She’s Unhaaapy… that fulfillment is always elusive. Therefore it must be that uncooperative men are holding women back from this happiness.
I’m not sure opening another gourmet cupcake eatery counts as contributing to the status of women in business, but I would say that women ought to be encouraged to start up their own businesses rather than rely on the proven successes of established ones to prove their business acumen. Carly Fiorina and Sheryl Sandberg are not innovators in any sense. Neither started a company from scratch, but they are lauded as powerful businesswomen because they supposedly had the moxie to compete with the big boys and their sexist enterprises – not actually as a result of their companies wanting to present a feminine-correct public image.
I would love to see women’s organic business successes despite themselves, but my guess is that every failure or setback would have some tinge of external sexism attached to them. The truth is there are very few women who actually create something of worth because the easier path to success is to create a social convention that shames men for not including women in their own successes. It will always be easier for women to appropriate the success of men rather than create anything for themselves.
I am going to go out of my way to support other women. It’s clear now: we can’t do this alone. Another woman who is promoted or celebrated or funded clears the way for another. I am actively looking to buy from women-owned businesses, which is much easier these days — Glossier, Outdoor Voices, and Project September are just a few of a new wave of startups led by women — and avoid companies that remain all-men. I’m just so over supporting them.
And here we have yet more fem-centric sexism in a piece decrying male sexism. Weren’t we just reading about how surprised Sallie was about gender bias not being a thing of the past in the workplace? Because Trump won the election she calls for a boycott from buying anything from male owned companies?
One thing I’ve always found ironic about women’s call for collective, gender-exclusionary support for other women is that women are often guilty of even worse infighting than men are in the workplace. Lets face it, women hate other women to a degree that most men are unaware of. Their capacity for sub-communication and psychological warfare among themselves makes intra-sexual competition more brutal than having to deal with any so-called sexist male co-worker. From women’s collectivist perspective one would think that women’s intra-sexual support of other women would make them all outstanding successes in business, but we find the opposite is true. Women have a very hard time making an all-female enterprise a success. Naturally this is blamed, again, on men’s sexists brinksmanship and outmaneuvering them, but by and large it’s internal conflict that destroys all-female run enterprises.
Invest. Having spent my career on Wall Street and now being the founder of Ellevest, a digital investment platform for women, I know I’m a broken record on this topic. But men invest to a greater extent than women do, and it costs us. Indeed, I believe investing is the best career advice women aren’t getting. Think about it – are you more able to tell your boss to take this job and shove it if you have more money or less money?
That’s what I thought. At the end of the day, money is the real key to gender equality.
Of course we get the sales pitch at the end. Women don’t invest because it’s not sexy. It requires a degree of commitment and a depth of insight that goes well beyond what an average woman has any interest in. I do find it entertaining that Sallie finally gets to the real reason for a gender inequality she claims she wants to see abolished. Money is most definitely a key to establishing social dominance and that creates a fundamentally unequal condition between men and women.
Businesses, successful ones, are founded on competition, not cooperation. This is the fundamental conflict we are experiencing in today’s corporate culture; women’s collectivism promotes what they believe should be a successful enterprise based on egalitarian cooperation while men largely see the enterprise as competition. Sometimes this is a win-at-any-cost type of competition, other times it may be more subtle, but the crux is that women’s propensity to want for a more collectivist approach to a successful enterprise is at odds with men’s competitive approach. Success in business is fundamentally unegalitarian, there are winners and losers, not co-equal participation trophy winners. But as women continue to insert themselves into the unegalitarian male spaces of enterprise we will see this push for cooperative hopes for business success fundamentally alter the purpose of these businesses as we attempt more and more to accommodate them.
@kfg
I’m glad you recognize that Bernie was compromised Trump is compromised as well, he has connections with Soros and now surrounds himself with the establishment. The presidential race was a puppet show, the choices presented to us are chosen by the the people.
*not chosen by the people
LOL @ women have a lot to offer
I own a 1/4 stake in a bar. Roadhouse sort of place catering to bikers, car guys, the 4 wheel drive folks and what not with a mostly female staff
You have to rule them bitches with a semi iron fist. The shit they think is worth bickering over is unfucking real. I am trying to talk the other owners into going to an all male staff. Ran into a place a lot like ours out saddle tramping with an all male staff( though mostly geared toward professional watermen) and got to talking to the owner. Turns out it was the second best decsion of his life. Also want to automate as much as we can but that’s more cash then the other guys will buy into
Granted truck drivers are worse then waitress but I fixed that with the judicial application of political incorrectness as well.
Rather run the risk of being sued over EO violations then get ran out of bidness by my own employees, but any way you cut it, being politically incorrect is profitable as a small(ish) business owner
Corrupted archetypes:
http://www.oldeastafricapostcards.com/wp-content/gallery/people-masai-shields/pp04a4.jpg
http://www.trbimg.com/img-57c0f906/turbine/smt-maasai-women-work-on-beading-and-20160826/650/650×366
Got go be honest though, The Ton loves gourmet cupcakes. Which I know has to look ridiculous when my homeless troll looking ass is smashing $3 a piece strawberry cream cupcakes but fuck it.
Trump was never the rights 1st choice. More like a useful tool and those of us on the right where stoked just to see someone piss off the media and coastal cities. And Trump played that role.
There is no organized or large scale right wing party in the usa.
As for Trump, time will tell. Every president of my life sucked, each new one sucked worse then the last one. I have no doubt Trump will somehow mange to find a way to suck more then Obama, who found a way to suck more then Bush, who found a way to suck more then Clinton, who found a way to suck more then Bush, who found a way to suck more then Regan, who found a way to suck more then Carter…. I barely remember Nixon
Anyrate, Trump did an excellent job of setting expectations. He only needs to stay out of other folks kool-aide overseas, enforce immigration laws and renegotiate NAFTA etc to have a good shot at re-election.
Also, I think Trump ran to add POTUS to his resume but for any of the j4g crew who might be reading… I told y’all that’s how you win the White House……
Re: fighting.
25 years back @ Ft. Bragg we’d throw punches regularly with townies, each other. We’d settle scores. A couple blanket parties in Basic. It was a rush, but never felt my life was at stake, even when getting bested (even choked down once). Couple fights in college, 2 in my 30’s.
Sometimes we have to fight, there’s no alternative. All the advice here is really sound. Wow.
Perhaps this stems from selection bias, but my desire to keep people, you guys in particular, safe, is important to me.
My community is changing with immigrant populations who hold different value on life and conflict is seen as often existential. This is nationwide. Tribal pride and masculinity has a kill or be killed hard edge in these communities. Badness happens instantaneously and is permanent.
Last year’s worst fight outcomes: 1) Billiard ball to back of head, he hasn’t awoke, and 2) knife to abdomen, eviscerating a local well-known guy, that was heartbreaking.
“How many are beauty, food, craft or women’s interests related?” i don’t doubt it. Women and men are different. I am all for it think jill Stein would have been the best choice for president. Amazingly smart woman she would have done so much for health and bring some sanity to the world. Still Trump could get her on board to help him that would be a smart move. She might not have got many votes but still she has risen to the top of the green party and is influencing the situation globally. I would think a synthesis of men and women working together is needed and the money schemes need to be subordinate to a higher priority of investment if life. The greens have these other business mdels in their plan like cooperative business and I would mention the family homestead as an example of men and women… and nature working together. I suppose nature is the combining form what is needed to bring some sanity to things. Certainly for the business world I would reccommend investment in the highest quality organic foods from family homesteads for the canteen even as a perk to receive for home meals. A properly fed workforce you could increase each employees value dramatically sure to pay off. Then having gardens where the staff can take breaks and also work in that would be very beneficial.
@SFC Ton
I hope you are right about trump, I just can’t help but be highly skeptical about his flip flopping and the people he has surrounded himself with (Rudy Giuliani, Ben Carson and now Mitt Romney). That feud between Trump and Mitt feels fake now…
LOL flaming mug? Trying to recall the name of that place in Spring Lake. Biker joint… always getting busted up
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Tribal pride and masculinity has a kill or be killed hard edge in these communities. Badness happens instantaneously and is permanent…..
Proficiency in violence is job #1 for men because the world is always tribe vs tribe everything in the smp is a proxy for violence because violence is how you keep your shit your shit, your bitch your bitch and your get from having his head smashed against a tree.
People don’t see that as clearly know because the violence is done by professionals and normally away from the public eye but reality never changes because human nature doesn’t change.
And to cut shit off, I said proficient in violence, not every man making it his profession. As a tribe we need all sorts of skill sets but the 1st thing boys need to learn is how to punch, take a punch etc
I think know Trump made a smart move with mittens
Trump isnt all that into foreign policy shit. Mostly I think his plan is to disengage and shore up old alliances Obama pissed on. Mittens can do that. Trump is going to need the GOP machine to get shit done. Mittens is part of that machine son Trump makes nice on a topic he doesn’t much give a fuck about and hopefully gathers support for battles he does want to win
I think. Fuck manot, what do I know? I didn’t graduate high school and only got my diploma because I needed one to make E5
“The greens have these other business mdels in their plan like cooperative business . . .”
The reason you think that the male archetype has been corrupted is because your male archetype has been corrupted.
You are not a White Knight. You are a girl.
And with a girl’s eyes you cannot see how the male competitive business model is far more cooperative than the female consensus model.
“Certainly for the business world I would reccommend investment in the highest quality organic foods from family homesteads . . .”
The last time that was tried 100 million starved in a handful of years. The next time it will be 6 billion.
@SFC Ton, have you seen the movie The Big Short? Jesus man, you have to see it if you have not. Even with Trump in, the swamp isn’t drained, and the Federal Reserve and corrupt banks got away with their crimes through bailouts, and the problem was never solved and is even bigger than it was before.
The way I see it through analogy: Imagine a boat with half the crew battling the other half for control. Each side has their leader and each side is busy complaining about the flaws of each leader. Meanwhile, a $19 trillion hole in the hull is making the shit sink, but the two sides continue to argue for “control” while not addressing the hole.
You can’t drain a swamp if your boat is quickly sinking into the swamp.
Also, read the book Shadow Men.
@rollo (from last thread)
Witnessing guys with Game, who go against what you’d expect a woman would respond to are the exception. Very few guys run Game in the sense that PUA presents it. Fewer still make it effective.
Totally cosign with your comment there. By and large what I see out and about is just large muscular dudes with like 10% game and that’s that.
This is probably the main reason why PUAs are so on guard against the theoretical stuff. Theory and “abstractions” and whatever become substitutes for the real deal of getting out in the field.
Like, TRM is of great use to a guy who is constantly getting out there and applying it and making it a part of who he is. But it’s probably only a hindrance otherwise, because if you can’t see what the concepts refer to in real life, you’re going to come away empty-handed. You’re going to connect those concepts to the only reference experiences you have, which are probably themselves facsimiles of reality — think movies, comic books, plays, etc.
The best example is the concept of being an “asshole” or a “dick.” If you don’t go out, you’re going to think of it as being totally different than what it is.
The “GO OUT MOAR” mantra just comes first because the journey is hard enough as it is. Now, when you’ve made talking with women a habit, then you know, start reading more theoretical stuff.
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Fighting… heh I grew up in a place like this [great scene, all the dialogue, the ball busting, the older guys pushing the younger guy, the vendetta, the tribalism… spot on]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZIq4SfLNMk
any random day or night shit like this would go down, generally because we were bored or drunk or “Us” came upon “them” or vice versa… guys from different towns or streets…
I first bloodied a kids nose when I was on the bus in kindergarten, i was 4. He was a first grader. My 6th grader neighbor who was in charge of getting me on the bus and to school had me do it, because he didn’t like the kid but couldn’t do it himself. He may have given me a dollar…
The “meet at the flagpole” or bus stop “call out” fights were a semi-annual occurrence… I can still feel this kid’s face I was wailing away on after one bus stop fight in 4th grade… and his completely giving up… complete submission.
In 4th grade I was detained in school for a day for pulling my pocket knife on a kid who was hassling me in school. Principle confiscated my knife and had me sit in front of his office in the hall all day as a totem for other bad actors… Pissed me off because it was a knife my grandfather gave me. But hey, parents were never notified… LOL “how was school today” Fine…
In 6th grade I was suspended for a few days for punching a kid in the nuts… He had started bullying me at lunch for a few days. Then he stood up from the table that day and I socked him right in the balls. He went down… nurse came and he had to go to the doctor… Then I bullied him for a while… he said “where did you get the muscles!” and I can still remember saying “always had them, but now I have confidence”…
The kind of PS/2 fighting with friends went on all the time… whether during pick up ball games, ever present sparing and slap fighting gone out of control or someone dropping the “mom joke” from which there was only their backing down of fighting… someone end up with a bloody nose or crying. Then back to being friends… shit me and my 2 year younger brother would fight like this all the time. he hit me with a bat once… tried to stab me with a pitchfork… I climbed a tree to get away from him. Then spit on him from the branches…
In the neighborhood, we kept a sharp eye out for “big kids” and a sighting of them would send us scampering…because we knew what would come next if they caught us… and many of these big kids were friends older brothers… didn’t matter at all… always big vs small…
Bordering our Italian / Irish / Polish WC neighborhood was a small commercial strip and on the other side of that a ghetto neighborhood, mostly black. The strip center was the DMZ… If you went down there at certain times you would be jumped… and if we came back and said we got jumped now the “big kids” would rally and jump in cars with bats and race down to seek revenge… very tribal.
Also around our neighborhood you DID NOT stare at someone too long because EVERY time a guy would stop and say something like “what are you looking at”,, “You got a problem?” and my favorite one to use “Take a picture man it lasts longer”… challenges were normal. Asserting yourself or defending yourself – keeping place in the hierarchy was the way.
In high school through a quirk of clever real estate developers our sliver of WC neighborhood and three of four similar other neighborhood’s slivers all went to the UMC high school… So we collectively were about 10% of the population but caused 80% of the trouble (remaining 20% were rich kids OD’ing)… more fights and bullying… I and most of my group played on the hockey team, so we had a lot of off season street hockey and roller hockey. We would go to these other neighborhoods and play them and usually a huge fight would break out. I remember one fight grabbing the biggest guy on the other team and punching him in the face, a huge melee…
I wasn’t big in high school 5’8” and 155, but I always had great reflexes and enjoyed studying fighting and boxing and sparring… as such while in a lot of fights never got my ass kicked, for better or worse…
On weekends we would get quarts of beer and ride around and drink and look to jump kids and start fights. we had sawed down hockey sticks in the car. Or go to the arcades where groups of guys from outlying neighborhoods, different schools would go. Fights in the parking lots… Half of my friends did not graduate from high school, in a school where 95% went on to college… The rest of us they pushed into the military. a few became cops.
I did run once. dad and I arguing and he put his hand up to whack me and I went to block it and caught him across the jaw… Holy shit… I ran around the dining room table three times and out the front door… Came home after he went to work.. he worked night shift.
I was one who did go to college… and ended up hanging out mostly with guys more like me… As a good looking guy now I would get a lot of shit from locals and frat guys… plenty of bar fights… again my reflexes were good, so I could get inside of you very quickly and pound you out while you were left glancing blows ineffectively off my skull… I was also a huge wise ass…
so maybe 25-30 fights of some stripe…
As such… I have an instant, instant reflex… if you put hands on me, or try and put hands on me I am just going to react, block it and flip o’ the switch be in “are you fucking crazy. don’t touch me?!?” rage mode…
The last time I came close to a fight was a few years ago. I was in the Whiskey Bar in NYC chatting up a blonde Colombian woman, doing pretty good. We were at the bar and three black dudes who looked like they came right from a NFL Today set – all dressed up in suits and vests and ties – were behind us. One big tall guy was trying to order a drink and was standing over me, with his hand and credit card out waving [which they hate there] and I turned around and said “hey man… are you going to climb on top of me or what?” and he was like I’m just trying to get a drink and I said “yeh like everyone else. Go down there and do this” and he was pissed but backed off. His friend was not happy though… he was 5’8″ but like 210 with no neck just glaring at me, real close… I smiled at him and raised my glass “what’s up man?!” and he glowered… but his buddies pulled him away. Good thing because he probably would have killed me…. but my wise ass instinct has not left…
the girl though was not happy with the aggro… she took off…
Run of the mill attempts at AMOGing, like the hand on the shoulder type moves… no problems with those… usually just say “hey man get a real good feel, don’t be shy” and do it back to them… But that finger in the face bit… probably end up slapping that guys hand away…
so there it is…
“The best example is the concept of being an “asshole” or a “dick.””
As per an above comment, as often as not a man being an “asshole” or a “dick” is actually being a Gentleman. And as I have mentioned before, if you really want to piss an “Entitled Princess” off, actually treat her as if she were an actual Princess.
And you are a King.
@ Ton
“People don’t see that as clearly know because the violence is done by professionals and normally away from the public eye but reality never changes because human nature doesn’t change.”
This is important. Our society has compartmentalized the reality of violence so that it can be removed (mostly) from our lives in the name of civilization. The ‘dread’ of violence or physical coercion of any sort is really at the heart of why people even get along as well as they do.
So we are made weak by our insulation and dependent upon others. We still have some gut understanding that violence is part of us and needs some sort of outlet. What are we drawn to for entertainment? The most popular video games, movies, music, etc. are violent or have strong violent aspects. Fuckin bread and circuses. It’s part of us and needs to be expressed not suppressed.
Ton is right, our wall of civilization is an illusion. We are one solar flare away from chaos. Remove the consequences and you will see how civilized we really are.
@all
reality never changes because human nature doesn’t change.”
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these appeals to “human nature” are always mad gay.
1) AA
2) Diversity laws
3) White Knighting
4) PC terrorism
5) The Feminist MSM
6) CultMarxism
Take these away and judge girls on their ability. How many are still in employment?
Maybe 10% & all in crappy jobs like secretary. No way in jobs for responsible adults that men have to bail them out.
@scray – to me, this whole site is about human nature
please clarify
@kfg
if you really want to piss an “Entitled Princess” off, actually treat her as if she were an actual Princess.
And you are a King.
In line with your suggestion, I have trained Mrs. Gamer. Mrs. Gamer says, “Thank you, Sir,” whenever I do her a courtesy. I usually answer, “You’re welcome, my Love.” We are both equally pleased after this exchange, even though she treats me with more respect and I treat her with more affection.
The Taming of the Shrew strikes again!
@Sentient, check this vid. Good for getting syked before sarging, fighting (and banging after looking at the drummer).
Mad gay……
You’re mad and gay?
Or
Mad that you are gay?
Or by mad do you mean insane? As in
Your are insane and gay
OR insanely gay?
I saw the movie. I stayed awake during it. Which happens like once every couple of years
The whole system is a cesspool
@yareally @culum @forge @pua
I’ve figured out a bit more on my stack.
The “were you at that party” is to use in any difficult situations. For example, a girl studying, a girl in a hard to reach spot. Its more neutral so you can squeeze into more difficult social situations without being too provocative up front.
However, the more ideal ones to use are to OPEN on either the “you (girls) are trouble.” or my new opener. Those start out with a sexual tone and supercharge it right away. “were you at the party” is good and all, but it isn’t sexual enough. It works much better when the girl is sitting down. It leads into a longer more chill conversation that’s ideal if you are breaking a girl out of a studying coma. You don’t want to jump too fast into sexual topics. However, in most daygame situs is simply too slow and too neutral.
Like I say though, the party opener is great for difficult situs or when girls are sitting down.
—FR—
Had such a situation. Restaurant. 2 set, one black. Hard, because they are in a cramped corner, and there are no movable chairs around. Thought about it a couple minutes (mostly just readied myself, first open this day) Walked over, “where you at that party?”
black girl is very cute actually.
She says no. Other girl asks if it was black girl’s sister. Black girl says no. I challenge her on that. “How would you know. Maybe she’s got a whole other life you don’t know about. I’ve none plenty of people who seemed cute and all, but ended up being crazy party animals.”
Right away I saw I could use one of the swivel chairs to lean up on and have a more chill posture. Nice.
Went into sneaking into party routine. They all like it. Qualified black girl slightly on being impressed she had heard of a TV character I mentioned. Most girls hadn’t.
I sit in the swivel chair now, turned away from the girls slightly. I’m slumped in the chair, with my feet on the footrest of the other chair nearby.
Here I went into “you girls are trouble.” white girl is the fighter, black girl the lesbian. Once I start talking about black girl being a lesbian, white girl says “you know…we can’t drink…we’re 15.”
lol. Figured white girl was maybe 16 or so, but black girl could easily pull off a 21 year old no problem. She was also dolled up quite a bit though, which makes it hard to tell.
Teased them about them not drinking, and how I drank a bunch of shit when I was 15. Jumped to asking black girl where she was from. She’s from here. She wondered why I thought she wasn’t. I said she seemed like an army brat. She laughs, this spikes her a bit. “What about me makes me look like an army brat?” Noticing profanity and harsh words (bitch, brat, idiot) will spike girls a little bit when you call them that. I talked about her not having an accent. Hers was different from other girls here. Mostly because its neutral…she really doesn’t have much of an accent at all. She tells me her parents aren’t from this country. I decide to be an ass and jokingly guess they are from australia and she and her friend go “oh yeah, australia.” and I say “yeah, that’s what I was picking up in your accent. Its australian. You wrestle alligators like steve irwin right? that’s how you make your living.” and she says “oh, yeah definitely.”
I bounced here, said I had to do some work. They leave the store maybe 30 seconds afterward.
I suppose I could have grabbed their numbers to try and meet other people they know, but it seemed way too creepy to do that with some 15 year old girls. Maybe 16 or 17 but 14 is too young, especially since I started going into those sexual topics a bit.
Very disappointing though, since that black chick was just my type. Just needs to be 3 years older lol.
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“How many are beauty, food, craft or women’s interests related?” i don’t doubt it. Women and men are different. I am all for it think jill Stein would have been the best choice for president.
Did you donate to her recount effort?
@pua @yareally @culum
nothing else, kind of an icky day out, so not many people. Work for the next few days, but may be able to sneak in some in field here and there.
discovered how to do my stack right.
like I said before, “were you at party” is best for more difficult situs because its more neutral — and the other thing is that it also has a baked in excuse. I’m not some random dude sitting down next to this girl, I think I know her. So it relaxes the girl for this reason, plus makes her curious where we met before, and puts the other people in venue at easy because, hey, this dude seems to be acquaintances with the girl, not some evil PUA guy. so it works very well in those situs.
Now, otherwise the plan is to go “you look like trouble” then go into my new opener. I’m sure I’ll be able to pull of the new opener first thing no problem, but for the first few times I think dropping it after the “you’re trouble” is best. Puts less pressure on me, and lets me start with a routine I am familiar with.
Thing about my new opener is its more sexual than I’ve done before — still appropriate (it isn’t like my sex book story about sticking dildos up butts or anything lol) however it will take some calibration and adjustments for some girls. So starting with “you’re trouble” lets me work up to it, and lets the girl get accustomed to my sense of humor.
At this point, I will have two major sexual routines that will spike BT quite a bit. Here I can go for the handshake and gauge where I am at. If she holds it, I can bring her into a slow dance position. I like’s Liam McRae’s suggestion to then lean in and whisper in her ear, then pull back while looking at her in the eyes. That way it feels like you kissed, but actually didn’t, so it builds a lot of sexual tension. For me though its more about working up to a first kiss. Doing this is an easy work up to an actual kiss.
If not, here I can roll off. BT is high enough I can just cruise into some more neutral DHVs. Or I can just riff on the environment. Point out people, or things in the environment. This is a good point for compliance tests — take her around the venue with me while telling her to hand me things, or come over to this spot here.
Later I can roll back on with julien’s “what if” routine, or use the “girls from x city are party girls”.
And if the girl’s BT STILL wasn’t high enough after “you’re trouble” and new opener, I can of course throw in “what if” or “girls from x are trouble” to keep pumping it until its high enough. That’s the benefit of making all these routines — you have this deep pool to pull from and you can keep flinging DHVs and cold reads and role plays until something sticks.
Lots of options, but the main thing is that for busy girls (girls walking, girls not really looking to talk, that sort) I have to pump BT fast and my previous setup wasn’t cutting the mustard. I think though my new setup of “you look like trouble” plus the new opener will solve that problem. Next thing will be to polish those two routines so I can do them very quickly. That way when I run into obstacles (limited time, girl/guy obstacles, etc) I can get enough compliance from her to get her to go off with me.
I think I found my solution to the “I’ve lived here my whole life.” Do like I did with the girl earlier today and go with something like “Huh. Strange. You seem like an Army brat to me.” Which is a slight insult and makes her wonder what made me think she looked like an army brat. Will have to test it out more.
Another addition to earlier today — when I shook the black girls hand, she didn’t exactly hold on to it, but there was more firmness to it than seemed necessary. It seemed to me to be something not quite at the point of her just leaving it there, but more than when girls take their hands back right away. Its a nuance I haven’t run across (or perhaps not noticed) before.
@Scray
TRM is of great use to the old guys that have no problem with the red pill and that are still out there in a different fashion than young guys. Empty handed= not getting laid–that’s certainly a problem.
I still would claim the getting-out-there-and-applying-it-infield is a point that gets straw-manned a lot. When the themes get batted back and forth here, there are Frame battles regarding Old Guys and Young Guys. Young Guy’s frame being to engage with HB 8+, 25 y.o., Old Guys having been there and done that and having had a lot of reference experiences. The Old Guys perhaps established their career, wealth building, family and social circle and actually well established it.
So when Rollo mentions in the last thread:
With the Older Guys having established “the natural order of things” they run with it. Without compromising themselves though.
I would mea culpa the fact that older guys haven’t given enough actionable advice for all younger guys out there in regards to advice to younger guys. (Save Sentient’s PUA advice) I admit we haven’t. But that doesn’t diminish the abstract ideas we spout. I see the problem that presents, but I don’t accept the criticism that abstract ideas don’t count or guys can’t apply them in real time. The Rational Male is about abstract thoughts.
Hey Scray, count me in the camp that most guys can’t reach an apex productive life. Even so, that is the goal.
It helps to see a man who knows what he is doing, in action. There a lot of things that are put together there in those men. And just like any artists, one should look at their Process, and be willing to entertain the thought that that process matters.
You can criticize abstract ideas all you want, but a guy that has a lot of reference experiences upstream, often defaults to abstract rather than concrete actionable ideas (witness KFG’s pithy statements–he has a worldview that successfully works for him and is translatable for others that actually can resonate with his thoughts).
To reduce infield experience for red pill principles to nightclubs is disingenuous. To reduce PUA to picking up HB8+ <25 is obviously not.
@Hank
In case you haven’t already seen it, I left you a comment on the last thread (transitioning).
@YaReally & PUA
FR Train Rides and Errands
THE TRAIN
Haven’t gotten back out on a dedicated sarging session, but I’ve been trying to practice some interactions while doing my daily business. Had a long 14 hour train ride to go out and visit family, so I got some practice in there.
First thing, I chatted up the guy sitting next to me, just to practice being social, and to build that base. Found out he’s from Japan and loves trains, so he’s taking a trans-continental tour with his camera. I told him there’s a really scenic stream coming up about two hours from the start of the ride, and I’d come get him once we got there since I spend most of my time in the observation lounge.
I then overhear this chick across the aisle from me, a blonde 7, tell the conductor she is getting off at my hometown. That’s pretty rare, so I’m immediately like “Hey neighbor.” And we strike up a conversation about my hometown. I do introductions, and reach across the japanese guy to shake hands with her – she makes a face and eyes the guy next to me. So I take that as a cue to apologize to him, and then I introduce him and get her to introduce me to the guy next to her.
I resume chatting with the japanese guy for a bit, then overhear the blonde say something about writing to the guy next to her. I use that as an excuse to strike the conversation back up. I try to practice my laser eye contact, but it doesn’t seem to be having much of an effect (perhaps because of the distance). She mentions that she’s a journalist (inwardly I cringe a bit at this revelation), and that she’s working on short stories in her free time. I riff off this talking about my friend who’s tried to self-publish, and mention that I’ve always liked the idea of writing stories but had trouble getting myself to buckle down and do it. Lots of small talk. Then, at the first pause where I blank on something to say, she excuses herself to the observation lounge.
As she leaves, I realize that I basically jumped into comfort without getting attraction, but at least I managed to keep to breaking rapport tonality for the most part. Shortly thereafter, I head to the lounge myself, and decide not to try to sit next to the blonde yet (especially since she’s sitting at one of the single chairs without an open seat near it). Instead I continue on to the cafe car and get in line for some food. I immediately chat up the guy in front of me about how his jacket reminds me of letter jackets from high school, and go into how I never bought one because I felt like the letter I was awarded was more of a “thanks for participating” than “you earned this” deal.
THE OBSERVATION LOUNGE
I get to the front and order food, and as I turn to go, this chick further in the line, whom I recognize as the person who was sitting in front of my seat, asks if the conductor already took dinner reservations for our car. I say yes, but I think she can still get served if she just shows up at the end of them. I walk out and take a table in the observation lounge, thinking I should have tried to continue the conversation with her.
She was like, a five with a cute face (though short cropped hair), but as my last pick up coach used to say “she’s hotter than the girl I’m currently fucking.” Presently, she comes out from the cafe car and sits on one of the coaches. At this point, I’m brainstorming a way to smoothly go sit next to her, and then I see we get to the stream I mentioned to my neighbor. I use as an opportunity to ask the chick if she wouldn’t mind watching my food – I promised the other guy I’d go get him. She says “Yeah of course.” I thank her and touch her arm as I walk past saying “I’ll be right back.”
I tell the japanese dude, then come back to the observation lounge.I tell the chick “I’m going to join you,” and then plop down next to her so our shoulders are in constant contact. I say “I forget, which stop are you?” I make sure to keep neutral/breaking rapport tonality the whole time. She tells me and I immediately say “I have to be honest…I have a grudge against your state. The only two speeding tickets I’ve gotten have been from your state.” I continue talking, attempting two or three teases/IODs to try to spike attraction. I kino her arm a couple times, and her leg once with the back of my hand as I chat. During this time, the japanese guy comes to sit with us and I introduce him to her.
She then tries to bring this guy sitting two seats away into the conversation, saying something about him being from our part of the train too. He looks up from his book and just barely engages us in conversation. I ask if he’s her neighbor and she says no, then I ask where he sits and she says she doesn’t know – apparently she made up the whole thing about being part of the same area. She then excuses herself, saying she wants to head back to her seat so she can write. I say, “Yeah I’m talkative,” she responds “no I am too, I just have to isolate myself to get anything done.” She then gets up, and immediately goes to talk to the other guy about his book.
DINNER
I get a bit reactive about this internally. Later, we end up getting seated at the same table for dinner (the train forces you to sit with people saying “you WILL make a friend tonight), and I opt to sit next to the guy across from her rather than next to her as I’m still feeling reactive. I initiate conversation with the guy next to me, and the guy who sits next to the five (she’s like a four, but a thin four) and introduce them to the five. I then focus mainly on chatting to the other two, but I laser eye contact the five every time she talks or I talk to her.
She starts holding eye contact longer, and even plays with her hair at one point, but then also keeps abruptly looking away in a manner I find puzzling. While they get dessert, I excuse myself to the observation lounge, and re-open the blonde. I sit in a chair next to her, but facing the other way, and then then just continue waving at her until she takes notice (it takes like thirty seconds).
I ask about the writing and then tease her when she says she “thinks” she’s writing about the beach. I again talk about my own experiences writing, and mention that she should meet the five when she comes out of the dinner car since she writes too. I promise to flag the five down to introduce her. After a little bit more chat, my brain blanks, and I excuse myself from conversation and start listening to my audio book. I keep an eye out for the five, but she hustles past me pretty quickly and I didn’t try to go get her afterwards.
THE WAITRESS
Since this is already much longer than I expected, I’m going to skip a few of the other interactions I’ve had the past few days and focus on the waitress. The day I get back from visiting family, I hit up a restaurant I’ve never been to with my friend. The waitress is a blonde 7, with a russian sounding accent. I try to laser eye contact her as she seats us – she seems oblivious/ignoring the eye contact. I check out her ass while she walks away, and I make sure she sees me doing it at one point.
We see her name tag has a very russian name so we decide on that. When the waitress
comes back our way, I point at her slightly and say “we’ve decided…that we think you’re from Russia.” She says yes, and stops to chat with us for a bit. I continue to laser eye contact as we talk, and she starts returning the eye contact with me some. We chat for about three minutes until someone rings a bell in the other room, and she seems to almost snap out of a trance, and then heads to go get it.
She comes back to take our order. We small talk a bit more, and then she starts contradicting me on something. I take the opportunity to say “that’s it…you and I are OVER..” She laughs at this while I decide whether to continue with the line I used to use in college and instead go with “but I’m keeping the house.” I don’t think she hears this last bit as she’s already walking off.
She’s busy doing some stuff at the back of the room, I continue to check out her ass and her tits every now and then, making sure she sees me do it at least one more time, while other times that she passes, I make sure I’m focused entirely on talking to my rooomate so I’m not always staring at her.
After a bit, I stop her as she’s walking by and ask her, making sure I’m using breaking rapport tonality, what her favorite dish is. She offers the name of one and says she can’t remember the other, but she’ll ask about it. I tell her to write them down for me as I won’t remember (it’s a lebanese restaurant so the names aren’t familiar to me). When she comes back, she says the other dish is out of season, but she still recommends the other.
I tell her again to write it down, she gives me a bit of shit, “it’s spelled like it sounds.” I say there are multiple ways it could be spelled. She starts spelling it out, with a semi-sarcastic tone, and almost immediately I’m like “see! you said ‘b’, but it sounded like a ‘p’ when you said the name of the dish.” She then says something about a lamb dish, making sure she puts extra emphasis on the ‘b’ in a sarcastic tone. I immediately tell her in a melodramatic voice “I love you again…you’re back in my graces.” She smiles and throws up her hands saying “yay,” but then walks off.
I leave the interaction at that, as we got the check and just left after we paid. I thought about pushing further, but my mind resisted thinking “I can probably get her number but I don’t think I have enough attraction & rapport to get a date, and I don’t want another number floating in my phone that I can’t convert to a date. It depresses me.”
Hey Pellaeon
You write/express yourself well.
Your company doesn’t have a senior, successful female? Get the hell out of there.
The problem is that women have completely different agendas then men. A man can have a family, or another family, at 80 if he has resources. Look at Trump – at 70 he has a 10 yr old – not too many women that would be able to boast that – actually, none. Unless they used a donor egg – and then it really isn’t “her” baby – she was just an unpaid surrogate. Men remain fertile till he dies – and beyond. So women regularly get the “itch” to start a family, and they lose all other interests. I’ve seen it happen time and time again. Men aren’t like that – we can have a family any time, so there is no “need” to do it now.
So the above is unmitigated horse-shit. Women often define “success” in having a family, or in having children, men don’t. Which is why women go after men with resources – and men understand that, which is why men are driven to succeed. Women simply aren’t. The wise man understands this and uses it to his advantage – but there are no wise women, just those that have what they want, and those that don’t. Those that don’t try to convince others, and themselves, that what they have lost isn’t really worth having – but when no one is there to see, or listen, they regret all of those missed opportunities. The “senior” woman in a company, is the one that is the most bitter…
@SJF
Young Guy’s frame being to engage with HB 8+, 25 y.o., Old Guys having been there and done that and having had a lot of reference experiences.
Okay, but if your reference experiences were so rock solid, why would you need TRM at all?
I admit we haven’t. But that doesn’t diminish the abstract ideas we spout.
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YES. IT. DOES..
If you’re just spouting a lot of abstract ideas and you have no gameplan for how anyone could apply those ideas, it just brings one to ask “well lol, if you can’t even explain how it works, how useful could it be? And if it isn’t useful, why should I take it as true?”
Here’s an example:
abstract principle:
Hot women have extremely high social value —> you can use hot women to bend social rules in your favor.
Applied principle: Scray’s guide to breaking in to the VIP club scene.
Test of that principle: (you can go test) or….notice the similarities my guide has to RSD’s recent guide. I mean, they go way into more detail but it’s the same idea every step of the way (they probably have more experience than I do doing this shit lol).
It helps to see a man who knows what he is doing, in action. There a lot of things that are put together there in those men. And just like any artists, one should look at their Process, and be willing to entertain the thought that that process matters.
Yeah, well here’s the problem…most of the time, dudes who spout a lot of woo-woo/abstract stuff minus the “here’s the guide to making it real,” are usually dudes who LEAN HARD on some passive high value attributes and run FAG.
Even in the context of LTRs you can see the same shit.
So those dudes lean on looking good, very hard, and then their -2 looks differential wife/gf/whatever is attracted to them provided they keep up the FAG, and then the dudes want to believe that they’ve discovered some secret or they have some profound mindset that has allowed them this life.
And it’s like lol nah. Very simple and nothing profound there IN REALITY.
but a guy that has a lot of reference experiences upstream, often defaults to abstract rather than concrete actionable ideas
The saying goes “you always default to your training.” Not, “you always default to abstract stuff you can’t immediately use.” So nah, I disagree.
To reduce infield experience for red pill principles to nightclubs is disingenuous. To reduce PUA to picking up HB8+ <25 is obviously not.
Sorry man, if you can’t produce REAL LIFE ACTIONS = REAL LIFE ACTION PLANS for your profound concept, no one has ANY WAY of TESTING YOUR CONCEPT.
Maybe you want to sit around jabbering about “abstract” thoughts without any care about whether another person could make real use of them or if those abstract thoughts line up with reality (see, a lot of the abstract thoughts may not actually even explain the phenomena you connect with those abstract thoughts).
Like, if you say you serve a different market (OMGs), then FINE…give ACTIONABLE advice in that market — you guys don’t, lol. It’s just blah blah blah abstract concept this theory that.
Like, LAY OUT A SPECIFIC PLAN for how you apply your concept. NOT A FIELD REPORT about some shit you did with your wife. Put together a SYSTEM that works.
And guess what…..
I bet once you start doing that, the tactics are going to start looking more and more similar to gasp! the PUA tactics you think are just completely inapplicable to your market. But hey, I could be wrong —- NO WAY TO TEST IT AS OF RIGHT NOW.
When you go to the shop, you’re using energy from the food you consumed either that morning or the night before. The petrol you use in your car is the altered organic matter from animals and plants that lived hundreds of millions of years ago.
Energy is the only way an economy can grow or maintain the standard of living for the populace within it’s domain.
America’s problems today were discussed by President Jimmy Carter in his address to the nation on energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8HwVeSMuhE
In his speech President Carter discussed job losses, oil embargoes, regional conflicts (war for oil and gas), ending artificially cheap oil (so as not to cheat ourselves as to it’s real value), special interest groups and oil depletion.
If Donald Trump doesn’t follow the solutions made in this video, nothing will change for America.
This!
“One thing I’ve always found ironic about women’s call for collective, gender-exclusionary support for other women is that women are often guilty of even worse infighting than men are in the workplace. Lets face it, women hate other women to a degree that most men are unaware of.”
Not to mention, I wonder how many of those female co-workers who fell to the wayside she maybe took out herself? I’d be curious to hear their side…
Her whole letter seems like a “boo boo” mixed w generous “go gurl” plus some standard “those ebul men!” lead in to the final sale pitch. Weak sauce.
Any bets how her investment company is doing in 5 years? I bet fail. Can you imagine Warren Buffet saying any of this to his investors to build confidence? They would run!
Also, note the all fluff but no hard details on how she’s going to make better returns? No. No mention of any positive returns, actually, no numbers at all, just “feelz good, so let’s do it! Gurl power!”
The problem that @oxen refers to needs to be put in historical context:
The problem just kept piling up until, in the eighteen-nineties, it seemed virtually insurmountable. One commentator predicted that by 1930 horse manure would reach the level of Manhattan’s third-story windows. New York’s troubles were not New York’s alone; in 1894, the Times of London forecast that by the middle of the following century every street in the city would be buried under nine feet of manure. It was understood that flies were a transmission vector for disease, and a public-health crisis seemed imminent. When the world’s first international urban-planning conference was held, in 1898, it was dominated by discussion of the manure situation. Unable to agree upon any solutions—or to imagine cities without horses—the delegates broke up the meeting, which had been scheduled to last a week and a half, after just three days.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/11/16/hosed
Scray
I definitely get the disconnect between OMG & YSG.
It does appear to be abstract,mindset,sense of purpose,composure,they are just girls ect..
With no actual instructions like DHV spike emotion,neg,ect.
One thing I learned is every time I take a short cut I am eventualy screwed by it,self destructive disguised as fast reward,also everyone has to come to their own conclusions or the lessons don’t stick.
For the most part a red pill aware OMG is a natural.He wasn’t always a natural,you have to start somewhere.It is just that the things I tried in the pickup game never seemed to be as rewarding as the times I just seemingly fell into the poosy by accident,sorta abstract in itself.
So I studied these situs one by one and came up with a lot of theory that can’t be proven,then mixed that with the facts and came up with some logical abstract unthings that seem to work.
While admitedly never mastering the game I have mastered some skiils enough to make money,(self confidence),own property(social status),operate a business (purpose,direction,mindset,confidence,social proof,amog,power).The married part is tricky,no scarcity rather with rp awareness and game an abundance metal point of origin,while at the same time,an air of unavailability,it is as if these gals want what they can’t have and delude themselves that they are a better choice for me,they constantly try to qualify themselves as the better choice,because of their own hypergamous natures it just makes sense to them that I would do the same,but these gals will never be more than a fling.
Sentient,Blax,SJF,and many other OMGs have all worked PUA strategy as YSGs and now the abstract things they are telling guys while seemingly indirect are the things that actualy work in the long run and the short.
As with most things in life there are no quick fixes or easy way arounds that will pay in the long haul,they always quit working at the worst possible time.
Scray
SJF is not going to prescribe a bandaid for a chronic condition,for some things there is no topical solution,hence he subscribes life change,diet,fitness,attitude,lifestyle change etc.This doesn’t mean he isn’t aware of every topical solution under the sun,it means that he has tried them all and they don’t give the results that a master expects.
Hope this isn’t too abstract of an explanation,not trying to explain things away by any means,as that is just another topical solution and by all means use a bandaid untill you find something that works better.
@redlight, It’s not just a case of building some underground pipes to dispose of our sewage.
Oil and gas have no equivalent in terms of energy density and ease of transport.
The economy as we know it was formed on cheap, plentiful oil and gas. The harder to extract shale oil is now being targeted. Though those oil wells have a steep decline rate.
Many are depleted within 6-24 months.
A few commentators believe the world hit peak oil in 2005. The depression hit in 2007/8.
We never came out of that economic period. I would even argue we’ve been in a recession for the past 40-50 years. Very few benefit from the so called boom years. These booms always take place in either the stock market or property prices. Never in manufacturing or productivity.
Culum EhIntellect Blax
Further on fighting…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odjfqGg_RNM
Vagina Dominator over at Le Chateau just posted his primer video on open hand fighting… he has been discussing this for a few years. Says will only be up for a week. It is a very good video covering the core concepts of stance, how to generate power, striking… if you have studied Tai Chi and other similar martial arts you will recognize a lot of the footwork.
Teach boys the basics early… guard, stance, distance, a few strikes – and they will be miles ahead of most guys they run into… and work with them… hit them – just a wee bit harder for mistakes…
and if you are confronting a guy who is relaxed, arms crossed and a hand on his chin… BACK THE FUCK UP!
Enjoy!
Scray
I bet once you start doing that, the tactics are going to start looking more and more similar to gasp! the PUA tactics you think are just completely inapplicable to your market.
Once you boil down why the tactics work they are going to start looking more and more like they have these characteristics in common… dynamic, passionate and authentic.
replay what you are doing in field and note when things are working…
Not abstract… refined.
“Once you boil down why the tactics work they are going to start looking more and more like they have these characteristics in common… dynamic, passionate and authentic.”
What’s your advice for a socially stunted incel? Be DPA? BE DPA DUDE!
Apologies to stuffinbox I typed this up before I read your comments (except for the last paragraph):
Hey Scray,
Rollo and a lot of the regular commenters are here because they want to be. Not strictly because of need.
Just like Mystery M3 method spelled out a specific action system for PUA, so had pre-purple pill Athol Kay and subsequently updated and revised by Blue Pill Professor spelled out specific action plan (12 steps based on soft dread).
Married or LTR red pill game has already had an action plan. It’s called read the side bar at MRP reddit and lift. At that point well-begun in relationship Game is half-done.
And you prove my point that you younger folks can’t handle the abstract and need concrete and think on your feet, while older experinced guys are comfortable with the abstract (because they tested well for them via experience. The old Maxwell Smart “I’ll Know it When I See It Trick”. (Because we’ve been testing the world and people for over five decades). I disagree with your actionable advice only because none of this abstract stuff can be tested. That’s silly. Rollo is know for not being prescriptive and handing out individual advice in public. Now why is that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it
I had to relearn stuff I already knew because I had been blindsided to the female stages of manipulation and betatization. And my wife/gf was +2 looks differential to me. And you can count on two hands the times I said here in comments in 2015 that (PUA) Game concepts are fungible across all relationship platforms. Cause they most certainly are.
Lol, Sentient. Renaming abstract concepts D,P&A as “refined”. I like it. While Scray calls a foul on it.
@Ollie
None of your comments hit the big problems for workers.
Big problem #1…Automation…a lot fewer low-skill jobs
Big problem #2…lots of women in the work force…especially health care and real estate…depresses wages for all
Big problem #3…cheap wages in asia for high skill jobs (7 million IT degrees in one year from asia)…outsourcing
Big problem #4…greedy capitalist pigs…oh, wait, this isn’t a problem…everybody follows Adam Smith and his benign selfishness idea because cutthroat attacks on consumers and workers cause major problems for the attacker
What’s you advice for a socially stunted incel Andy?
Good news on the dating coach front…I was able to help a friend figure a girl (and her signals) out and he is now making progress with her.
@Scray, while my game can always use improvement, it’s not my major focus…I’m primarily here to find out how I can help other men.
Andy
What’s your advice for a socially stunted incel? Be DPA? BE DPA DUDE!
Dynamic means what? At it’s simplest it is a BIAS TOWARDS ACTION… A “stunted” incel (and everyone was incel at some point… lol) does not have a bias towards action…
Like in the fighting video above [fighting is natural], humans are already programmed to mate… a lot of what constitutes PUA advice revolves around unlocking what you have taught yourself to hide… even Yareally will agree that a 4YO is naturally Alpha…
So open, bust a move, take a step, say something… nothing happens otherwise… it matters less what comes next than that you have acted… which is why “hey” is a reliable opener and every PUA will say eventually the open does not matter… it is not an magic incantation. Noobs like proscribed opens and stacks because they do not understand nor trust the why things work behind the how… They just want to get on the how… which is fine but you can definitely get further faster with understanding the why, the principles. which blends into authenticity…
But this is still a bit of a red herring… because Alpha is attractive to women and these qualities comprise the irreducible elements of Alpha. If you are acting within the Alpha Triad women are already attracted, so now you need to act on it.
And that is by understanding the female language of seduction… how to read her signals, how to communicate in her language (verbal and physical)… so by all means learn the language, learn what IOI’s are, learn what kino is, learn why “we aren’t having sex” means we are so having sex…
But if you want a short form for “game” as well Andy try this…
1) Don’t give her what she is expecting and 2) display “contrast” (in all forms, physically (dress etc.), verbally, actions)…
Break down some FR’s and you will see all of these concepts in play…
^ Most incels would kill themselves before taking above advice.
“Noobs like proscribed opens and stacks because they do not understand nor trust the why things work behind the how… They just want to get on the how… which is fine but you can definitely get further faster with understanding the why, the principles. which blends into authenticity…”
Sounds exactly like what a PUA would recommend to me. I literally don’t see any difference. Like the BEING paradigm instead of DOING paradigm. That’s Julien’s latest tack. He’s a pick up artists right?
In the article it was said women prefer collectives whereas men require competition. But globalisation is competition. Yet our response (as men) is to try to name and shame corporations which ship jobs overseas (does the shaming part sound familiar) and try to (collectively) get our governments to impose tariffs (and other protective measures) on foreign goods.
I don’t mind b*tching about women, so long as my case is rock solid and it’s a genuine grievance.
The rest doesn’t concern me. If a woman wants to empower herself, my response is ‘go for it’.
A woman makes a lifestyle choice that excludes men. I say ‘well done’.
None of it matters, because I realised long ago I can’t co-habit with the majority of women out there. I’m a worker and a saver and unless a prospective partner is of that mould, I want nothing to do with her.
I was talking to a woman at work and the topic of conversation shifted to people and responsibility or a lack thereof. She was telling me about her cousin who is 5 years younger than me. The description of this woman was akin to picturing a city filled with red flags. She has a well paying job, but lives at home with her parents and two other siblings. She feels giving her parents £300 a month is an imposition, (when a private room in her location would go for more than twice that) likes Gucci, Prada and all the designer names and isn’t afraid to buy as her desire suits. Lo and behold, would you believe this little princess is single.
The woman I was speaking to wanted to play cupid and said (hypothetically, of course) she could introduce us. I told her, her cousin wanted a CEO type and would more than likely get him. Men are stupid. What can I say. Though she would have to share him as I suspect her looks alone wouldn’t keep him from being an ATM for some other girl. I left that last bit out.
Anyway the next time this woman brought up the topic of meeting her cousin I said flat out I wouldn’t want her. Explaining the type of person I am.
She got the message.
@scray
There really isn’t actionable advice for married guys in the same way as PUA. With PUA you learn by fucking up. In a marriage, your wife remembers every fuck-up so you need to be careful.
“In a marriage, your wife remembers every fuck-up so you need to be careful.”
They don’t… lol. If they did I’d be fucked.
The greeks had the concept of Praxis:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_(process)
Praxis may be described as a form of critical thinking and comprises the combination of reflection and action. Praxis can be viewed as a progression of cognitive and physical actions:
Taking the action
Considering the impacts of the action
Analysing the results of the action by reflecting upon it
Altering and revising conceptions and planning following reflection
Implementing these plans in further actions
This creates a cycle which can be viewed in terms of educational settings, learners and educational facilitators.
“Noobs like proscribed opens and stacks because they do not understand nor trust the why things work behind the how… They just want to get on the how… which is fine but you can definitely get further faster with understanding the why, the principles.”
I think that lots of noobs do understand the Why, if they’re studying pickup. They know Why a certain story is a DHV while another isnt, for example.
The first hurdle is seeing a girl attracted to you, then the trust (in yourself, in the Why) can come in. Using a proscribed line and getting the result you were told you’d get, is a pretty important step, it shows you that “this is a skillet I can practice at and get better. I can break this down and TEST elements of it.”
SJF, The thing is Julien and Tyler are talking about some very high-level concepts in their latest videos. Yea, they are talking to crowds full of noobs for the most part, but even THEY wouldn’t say that those noobs can just be told “Be instead of Do” and suddenly all their problems are solved.
There’s a reason Tyler is only talking about this NOW, after 15 years of experience (Julien is probably getting it sooner because he was less of a hardcase/not aspy, and because he’s learned from Tyler’s experience too, mentor effect)
This is the mindset achieved after 15 YEARS in the field (like I said, may not take every man that long). They talk ALL the TIME about how long of a process it is.
So when Scray says actionable advice is better than absract, arcane, ethereal, it has nothing to do with shortcuts (Stuffinbox). It means avoiding the same old Proper Noun platitudes that get assembled into various arrangements as if they mean anything on their own.
“At that point well-begun in relationship Game is half-done.” Word.
“At it’s simplest it is a BIAS TOWARDS ACTION”
“So open, bust a move, take a step, say something…”
FR:
Walking into youngish bar with wife, I directly walk up to a table with 7 20-somethings GNO (all hb 7-8’s, unheard of around here). I get close to the 6′ HB8 there, tell her she’s tall (Yeah, I know), yeah but your cheating, your 3″ lifts, and touch my foot to her’s, rubby style, bust into she’d make a great wonder woman, dark hair and all. She laughs and starts saying something I can’t really understand about Halloween, WW and then some more whatever, I smile and agree, ask her about golden bracelets (quick wrist touch) and golden lasso, and forcing me to tell her the truth. Laugh and break off politely.
I hang out with my wife nearby and when I get drinks tell the wonder woman girl to keep the womanizers away from my lady. That got a laugh.
My openers are generally such, direct, point out something pretty about her, but then playfully tease her about it, then back to letting her answer open-ended questions.
CH suggests statement-statement-question (me thinks). Yeah that’s about right. I try to frame a narrative which might interest her and let her be part of the conversation allowing her contribution to prompt observations and then another inquiry. No over talk, lots of laughter.
Chatting up girls is really a lot of fun, ain’t it?
Andy
Like the BEING paradigm instead of DOING paradigm. That’s Julien’s latest tack. He’s a pick up artists right?
Yes, but now he has more experience… Sound familiar? Why are they all moving to push “natural game”… they are learning… they will all be pushing DPA within two years…
It may be that one has to get to the backside to understand how they could have started… the emotional resistance and all…
The story of the teen going away to college for four years and then discovering how smart his dad got in the meantime…. solipsism…
LOL at Thai chi and Jimmy Carter
Mersonia
^ Most incels would kill themselves before taking above advice.
Most won’t take any advice…
quack, quack…
“The story of the teen going away to college for four years and then discovering how smart his dad got in the meantime…. solipsism…”
6 ways you see your dad:
“It may be that one has to get to the backside to understand how they could have started… the emotional resistance and all…”
Do you think you’re at some mystical place that Julien or YaReally isn’t?
The automation thing is a tricky son of a bitch. I use to be agin em, now…..
Now that I have employees I want to replace them with robot’s mydamnself. Well about 80% of them. I mostly definitely want to replace the waitstaff with ipads and dudes. Or sexbots if that ever becomes a thing.
EhIntellect…
Spot on!
Andy
Do you think you’re at some mystical place that Julien or YaReally isn’t?
Indisputably,,, but I’m not done yet…
“Indisputably,,, but I’m not done yet…”
Tell us about it oh wise one.
I like how Scray keeps things grounded and insists on practical applications of all the abstract stuff. Sometimes I too just want to see it done and will figure out the rest.
But then I remember times when both the theorizing and application were required to understand a topic. One example is when learning integral calculus. To know what it does, how it does it and how it came about is just as important as knowing when and how to use it.
Plugging in values to an equation is certainly useful, but no understanding of the deeper concepts of ‘why’ won’t raise anyone above the level of technician. No judgement on getting results as a technician — at times I just want good results and don’t care about why.
Understanding the ‘why’ will overlap over areas and benefits can be had there as well. This is where I’m at. I am not going to go pickup chicks in a bar so the PUA-specific advice for that is not directly useful to me. It does contain info applicable to other interpersonal and inter-gender situations and gleaning that *is* useful.
So now when the wife and I go out, some quality flirting with the staff gives her the taste of dread and affirmation that I’m high-value and desirable to other women. So there is an example of how to combine the practical and abstract in a way that suits my particular situation.
“Do you think you’re at some mystical place that Julien or YaReally isn’t?”
I would answer: Absolutely, but I think they are catching up.
That’s a way more legit video then I was expecting.
“I would answer: Absolutely, but I think they are catching up.”
Please, enlighten us about this place.
but I think they are catching up.
Well Julian and the others at RSD for sure are learning… they are maturing and as they do their perspective is changing… they are making the connections… Odd that so many would push back on this elemental concept… and for what purpose? Preserve ego gains and avoid fear of change.
Like I’ve said countless times… Guy says he can spin dross into gold… tell me how?! Not – sure brah… that’s not possible [based on my experience… which is limited]…
Andy
Been trying… Let he who has ear hear… 😉
SFCTon
That’s a way more legit video then I was expecting.
Which is why I posted it… you will note though if you have studied any Tai Chi, the footwork is all there… other styles as well of course…
“Been trying… Let he who has ear hear…”
lol, you’re fucking killing me. Describe how Julien and YaReally will be different when they get to this “place”… What will we see different in them?
@thedsagamer, automaton affects some industries, not all. If you agree with my stance on energy production being the driving force of an economy, then it would stand to reason America needs to electrify it’s transportation system and replace it’s fleet of nuclear power plants. Are you suggesting railway stations and nuclear power plants could be built using robots? Wouldn’t infrastructure projects on this scale create a million direct and indirect jobs?
Your point on women in the work force neglects the fact these are service sector jobs that were always the preserve of women. It’s men’s jobs in the heavy industries that have gone abroad.
Capitalism is about profit and loss. Are you suggesting socialism replace it?
In order to keep the jobs from going oversea we would’ve had to keep finding ever greater reserves of oil. President Carter said a new Saudi Arabia every 3 years. Which is impossible.
Energy conservation would limit the amount of oil we used and therefore need. The national deficit would be much lower than it is and you’d be better off as a consequence.
I learned to fight and not follow some ancient Asian dance routine
SFCTon
I learned to fight and not follow some ancient Asian dance routine
If you think you are arguing with me, you aren’t…
@andy
““In a marriage, your wife remembers every fuck-up so you need to be careful.”
They don’t… lol. If they did I’d be fucked.”
I may have tried to turn things around too late
Andy
How about you do some work?
What will we see different in them?
Maybe go and look at their early stuff – when they started… and compare it to what they are saying today on happiness and self actualization… and form your own conclusion…
You won’t be convinced by me… it’s your life…
http://s63.photobucket.com/user/puapics/media/td_et_al03.jpg.html
https://kidstrangelove.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mystery-and-style-pua-peacocking.jpg
“Maybe go and look at their early stuff – when they started… and compare it to what they are saying today on happiness and self actualization… and form your own conclusion…”
Oh, I have my own ideas. I’m more interested in understanding yours. Please answer my question. How do you know that you’re in a place that Julien and YaReally haven’t attained yet? I’m assuming your answer is DPA, So please be specific on what exactly is off for them right now. If you can tell that you’re at this place that Julien and YaReally have yet to attain SURELY you can explain to us how you know that you are in that place and they are not.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/69/b9/e6/69b9e6d07789067d903439e7189c868e.jpg
“But then I remember times when both the theorizing and application were required to understand a topic. One example is when learning integral calculus. To know what it does, how it does it and how it came about is just as important as knowing when and how to use it.”
One of the epic failure’s in my life was to have taken a 5 credit Calculus class and besides having no fucking idea what calculus did, how it does it and what it was used for. I only just was a number plugger in-er. And then I got a C grade in Pre-Med for it. Man that sucked!!!! Thanks for the painful memories Dr. Zipper.
Does it get more ‘ethereal’?
http://articles.rsdnation.com/god-madison-taps-power-universe/
@Sentient
Come on. Spit it out dude. Is Owen in this place with you? How do you know?
Andy
The mere fact that Julien did not start with what he is now talking about tells you that he hadn’t attained the mindset he is developing now, which is moving, like I’ve said towards the DPA Triad and the Platinum Rule as the quest moves from sex and ego gratification and validation via women to happiness… Yareally, you can see his single dimension at the archive… burned in.
Is Owen dynamic, passionate and authentic… does he follow the Platinum Rule?
All external evidence points to yes.
Ted announces to the group that he is planning on taking out his tattoo removal doctor to a movie and is immediately met with disapproval. Barney mentions the Golden Rule: Although it is known commonly from the Bible as the ethic of reciprocity (“Do unto to others as you would have them do unto you.”), Barney’s take on it is “Love thy neighbor,” which would lead into his Platinum Rule as “Never ever, ever, ever love thy neighbor.”
Andy
Is Alpha attractive to women? [and men but we can save that for another time – no homo!]
What “is” Alpha?
@ dr. zipper
“One example is when learning integral calculus. To know what it does, how it does it and how it came about is just as important as knowing when and how to use it.”
This strikes close to home.
My oldest son is good at math. He’s taking Calculus at the local college as a junior in H.S. I don’t pretend to understand his genotype. He’s half me, yeah…but his mind, intuition, and perceptions are incomprehensible to me. He’s the president of his class. No problems with public speaking and socializing. “Dad, when I speak to the student body I’m speaking to everyone and no one simultaneously.”
When he came to me early this year to ask me about hitting on girls (Thank God he came to me and not his smart, spergy friends), I gave him my intuition about it, but had a hard time delivering it in a way he could understand. My delivery (me) needed to change for his benefit. That’s what led me here anfractuously.
Anyhoo, he’s read both TRM books and is a true believer…and still has a hard time chatting up a girls. He can deliver a 15 minute speech about the FI and it’s implications et cetera, He knows exactly what to do, what to expect and said he’s not worried about rejection. I believe him. He admits he looks at this algorithmicly, and that’s his biggest hang up. Thinking too much. All contingencies must be dealt with before hand-type stuff.
He’s more like his TI chip designer uncle in many respects. The uncle is married to a shrew land whale, and checked out of that relationship long ago. I had to get in front of that possibility for my son’s sake, and TRM helps a lot. He now knows theoretically how its done. Now for his first date….
We agreed his first date will be a big deal for moving on with life, just get it behind him. I don’t push hard or his confidence slakes in not living up. That’d be counterproductive. I need to deliver as he can understand it, so he can create his own version of effective game, something he’s DPA about.
Great reading your comment.
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Tyler on work… sugar free!
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touching on passion…
The counter bullshit argument that a differing form of knowledge is ” mystical and/or magical ” is juvenile and feminine.
I spent a few painful hours watching some rsd videos yesterday, to get a better understanding of what all of this cup-like worshipping stuff is really all about . More on that at a later time, but for now my take on this…stuff…is the same as it is for everything in life : if it helps you and ” gives value ” ( fucking catchphrases man….), then it should be utilized. But there is more than on method to acquiring knowledge, and one man’s utopia will not necessarily be another’s.
Much like when people find religion or get ” saved “. Especially when they discover religion after some tragedy or near death experience. Every damn thing in their lives becomes religion centric ( see ISIS for an example ). Every utterance or thought is couched in a ( my true God ) repetitive myopic view.
Abstract thought is mainly for thinkers. If ” God ” tells you not to think or concern yourself with theory and abstraction, it may indeed speed up acquired results. But you won’t master. You won’t create. You won’t innovate. You will forever be competent.
….unless you develop a different mindset. Yup, mindset. It cannot be escaped wrt ultimate improvement ( or ultimate destruction).
Whenever a man or men tell me that they can show me the super secret means of attaining anything, my antenna goes up. But that’s just me.
Eddie Murphy had a routine about giving a starving guy a cracker, and how he would go crazy praising the deliciousness of that cracker. Maybe I’ll be able to locate the video. I say eat the cracker, them look for the steak. I don’t want to hear a man still raving about that fucking cracker years later. I don’t need that same man explaining to me how I’m dumb because I reject the cracker praising, or how he’s broken down the cracker making process in minute detail.
Eat the damn cracker already and enjoy it.
“That’s Julien’s latest tack.”
Then he is finally starting to learn the trade he teaches.
“It means avoiding the same old Proper Noun platitudes that get assembled into various arrangements as if they mean anything on their own.”
They do not exist on their own, nor does mechanical technique. The tricky part is not producing herds of children playing with dynamite. It does nobody any favors, least of all them. It is trickier to do remotely, as it involves a fair amount of “wax on, wax off” which the student will only understand after the car is already clean and shiny.
“What’s your advice for a socially stunted incel? Be DPA? BE DPA DUDE!”
That’s a start.
http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-a-positive-attitude-will-have-positive-results-because-attitudes-are-contagious-zig-ziglar-87-74-61.jpg
It’ll be interesting to watch the rsd guys try to drag dudes into their ( evidently) evolving mindsets.
Personally I’m not buying any of it. New business model.
@Ollie
The Club of Rome back in the 1970’s predicted massive die offs due to lack of raw materials such as copper, oil, as well as major food shortages. No doubt Jimmy Carter was advised by them. What’s the current price of copper per pound? Are you aware that not only is there a huge Saudi-sized oil field under the Dakotas in the Bakken shale, there is another one under West Texas in a similar shale formation? The Saudi’s announce a cutback in oil production, and I just got back from travel where the price of gasoline was $2.20 / gallon, so much for that shock.
GIve us a break. Carter was for sure wrong back then, and you are way out of date and grossly misinformed now. Given enough energy we can make any hydrocarbon desired, and we can get high density energy from fission reactors using mostly thorium – thorium is as common in the planetary crust as lead, so humans could run thorium reactors for thousands of years.
Your doomsday has been postponed. There’s far more pressing issues for Trump to deal with. We’ll see what he does and does not get done. Thanks for the Carter video, though, what a wimp! No wonder Reagan won.
In order to keep the jobs from going oversea we would’ve had to keep finding ever greater reserves of oil.
Nope. The wage differential alone moved millions of service sector IT jobs out of the U.S. Manufacturing jobs went to Mexico, not to Canada. Not much wage differential between the U.S. and Canada. Lots of wage differential between the U.S. and Mexico. Over time, that differential will decrease exponentially…more at first, then less as time goes on. This is a New Thing ™ for economists.
Regulation has a cost and compliance is the major cost. The cost of compliance gives big business a major advantage over medium-size business in western countries. Third world countries have much lower costs of compliance. Wonder why medium-size businesses move their manufacturing overseas?
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@Blaximus @Rollo
How do you develop mindset?
@kfg
“What’s your advice for a socially stunted incel? Be DPA? BE DPA DUDE!”
That’s a start.
The incel won’t have any idea what DPA looks like and won’t have any idea how to get from non-DPA to DPA…he needs a picture of DPA and directions to get there.
@Sentient
Dude… Life has no meaning. Your happiness is not going to look the same any everyone else’s happiness. Actually don’t even use that word. Happy. Happy is BS. Contentment. There’s no way for you to know what one person’s contented state will look like compared to another’s. The fact that you would even think you can predict that tells me that you’re full of shit.
“They do not exist on their own, nor does mechanical technique. The tricky part is not producing herds of children playing with dynamite. It does nobody any favors, least of all them. It is trickier to do remotely, as it involves a fair amount of “wax on, wax off” which the student will only understand after the car is already clean and shiny.”
@kfg
YaReally emphasizes the process. The process is necessary. You’ve said it yourself. So what? What exactly is child with dynamite when you’re talking about an incel? Softek? You think you could have done a better job? If so, why didn’t you?
I spent a few painful hours watching some rsd videos yesterday, to get a better understandin….
Thanks Blax for jumping on that grenade.