A Woman’s Prerogative

prerogative

“A woman talks to one man, looks at a second, and thinks of a third.” – Niti Sataka

Reader/Blogger Ian Ironwood had a really on-point comment about last week’s piece that I’d already considered for the next essay to continue this series:

Excellent post, Rollo. It goes without saying that the Pill and liberalized divorce law was the first step on this path, but few appreciate its logical conclusion. Especially feminism, in the face of evolving technology. Pendulums swing both ways, and the reverse can be devastating.

In particular, your discussion of evolutionary biology/psychology and evolving technologies is spot-on. One element many men (and almost all women) do not appreciate is the social change that will erupt when Vasalgel or one of the similar products/procedures is finally authorized by the FDA. For the uninformed, Vasalgel promises ten baby-free years for a man before it breaks down, and can be removed at any point to get a woman pregnant. It works without messing with your hormones by simply shredding the sperm in the vas deferens. It costs about $1000. One time.

The social implications of this are clear: suddenly for the first time in history, a woman would have to seek a man’s permission to have a child with him. This small, subtle shift will have dramatic consequences, especially as we head into the Age of the Herbivore. When all of those egg-freezing women and their younger, more opportunistic sisters can no longer practice rampant reproductive coercion, then the social balance will shift again, and hard. Men who screw without the shredder are not to be trusted and are demonstrably irresponsible…but men with it are impervious to the traditional biological means of ensuring a commitment. Suddenly we are very much on an even playing field, and everything is back on the table. It will take the conscious will and permission of both parties to have a child, and men in that position will find themselves in a far more powerful spot than they have ever been in.

Finding a suitable father for your kid is hard enough, from a female perspective. Finding one who also sees you as a worthy enough mother for his children to make the conscious decision to remove his birth control is going to be much, much harder. And the prospect of starting all over with a new man as her biological viability evaporates is going to be . . . problematic. We’ll see a much more intense emphasis on the Epiphany phase, and a multi-layered cultural panic as competition increases among women across the board.

The cultural freakout will include more-of-the-same “where did all the good men go?” “manbaby” “dropout loser mother’s basement” frustrated criticism of men; which is why it’s important, from a cultural perspective, that there are men articulating our essential cultural position: marriage, as it stands, no longer serves our interests, and we will select only women of the highest quality to raise our children with – mindfully.

It will be interesting to see how it evolves, but I predict this one little fact alone – independent of the other sexual distractions available to modern man, from internet porn to Tindr to prostitution to robotic sex dolls – will put modern feminism and womanhood in general into a crisis. I look forward to your next few parts.

Despite what a handful of new commenters believe, I have written in the past about the dramatic cultural shift that unilaterally feminine-controlled hormonal birth control has meant to Western culture. I started this by addressing the feminine side of the birth control situation in posts like Fem-Centrism (also an important chapter in The Rational Male) because it offers and confirms for Red Pill men so many examples of how the psychological nature of women interacts with their biological natures:

Sexual Revolution

I got into a hypothetical debate with an online friend as to what it would mean to humanity (and masculinity in particular) if a new method of birth control was developed with the specific and unique ability to allow men to control conception to the same degree women were given with hormonal contraception in the mid-sixties. I thought it interesting that human effort could create reliable contraception for women in the 60’s, yet in 2011 we can map the human genome and yet not figure out how to afford men the same degree of birth control?

Put simply, the feminine imperative will not allow this.

Imagine the social and economic damage to the feminine infrastructure if Prometheus gave such fire to Men? Imagine that balance of control veering back into the masculine; for men to literally have the exclusive choice to fulfill a woman’s sexual strategy or not.

The conversation got heated. Men could never be trusted with such a power! Surely humanity would come to a grinding, apocalyptic end if the feminine sexual strategy was thwarted by reliable male contraception. Societies would be sundered, populations would nosedive, and the nuclear family would be replaced with a neo-tribalism dictated by men’s sexual strategies. Honestly, you’d think the discovery of atomic weapons was on par with such an invention.

The ridiculous, pathetic endemically juvenile and perverse masculinity that 50 years of feminization created could never be trusted to further humanity in pursuing their sex’s inborn imperatives.

Yet, this is precisely the power that was put into the hands of women in the 1960’s and remains today. The threat that male contraception represents to the feminine imperative is one of controlling the framework of which gender’s sexual strategy will be the normative. Prior to the advent of female-exclusive hormonal birth control and the sexual revolution that resulted from it, the gender playing field was level, if not tipped in favor of masculinity due to men’s provisioning being a motivating factor in women achieving their own gender imperative. Latex prophylactics were available in the 40’s, and this may have afforded men a slight advantage, but both parties knew and agreed to the terms of their sexual activity at the time of copulation.

Once feminine-exclusive birth control was convenient and available the locus of control switched to feminine primacy. Her imperative became the normalized imperative. His sexual imperative was only a means to achieving her own, and now the control was firmly placed in favor of feminine hypergamy. Whether in the developing world or in first world nations, the onus of directing the course of humanity fell upon women, and thus the feminine reality evolved into what it is today.

Freelove 2.0

It would appear that if all clinical testing goes according to hopes, Vasalgel will be this new form of unilaterally male-controlled birth control. I am, however, cautiously apprehensive about how accessible this breakthrough in male birth control will actually be. From the research I did for this piece, and coming from the usual feminist suspects, you’d think that Vasalgel would be a Godsend for sex-positive feminism. If I’m a bit skeptical it’s because the usual feminist sources are following the same shortsighted emotionalism that put them into virtually total control of the course of the human species.

Naturally, feminism would like to paint Vasalgel as some equalist responsibility for men. Almost every feminist article I read aboutVasalgel had some exasperated variation of “well, it’s about time men were given some responsibility for birth control” and then citing how difficult it was to remember to take a pill regularly. The other refrain was about how women couldn’t wait to get off the birth control hormones that made them fat, moody or just ornery, and how great it would be to have men be responsible for the convenience of their sex lives – more on that later.

But this is more than a bit facetious for women, because it only illustrates women’s (or feminist writer’s) obliviousness as to how male birth control will affect a base of power the Feminine Imperative has enjoyed for over five generations now. The fact that we’ve had female-controlled hormonal birth control, as well as legal, medically safe, abortion since the mid 60s and we’re only now developing/testing a male-controlled alternative in 2016 should speak volumes about our culture’s feminine-primary priorities.

This idea never occurs to women apparently; at least not publicly. Bear in mind all the development for Vasalgel has taken place almost entirely outside of western cultures (India being the test-bed). It could be that Vasalgel is still in its infancy with regard to a feminine-primary public awareness and women are still caught up in the hedonistically entitled mindset that only speaks to convenience in their sex lives. My guess is that not a lot of critical insight has been given as to how, as Ian and myself have explained, a feminine-primary social order would be affected by men’s far greater control of women’s Hypergamous strategies.

The ‘greater good’ of Vasalgel at this stage is all couched in the hope that it will help end unwanted pregnancies. That sounds like a progressive’s idea of a benefit to society, but at this stage what’s being overlooked is how a new technological advancement will immediately and irrevocably alter the direction of our larger culture.

I spoke to this in last week’s article. The rapid advancement of Vasalgel represents the potential of altering the direction of a social order that’s depended on the presumption of a unilateral control of Hypergamy for almost sixty years now. My guess is that once we get closer to realizing the use of Vasalgel as practical birth control for men the more resistance and legislation will be lobbied against it as the idea of what it could mean to the Feminine Imperative starts to sink in.

Her Prerogative

Now, we have to bring the implications of male-controlled birth control full circle here. There’s been a common idiom about women’s ‘right’ to choice for centuries now – a woman’s prerogative; a woman always has the right to change her mind. I actually looked up where this notion first started and it went as far back as (you guessed it) courtly love of medieval times:

Breach of promise is a common lawtort, abolished in many jurisdictions. It was also called breach of contract to marry,[1] and the remedy awarded was known as heart balm.

From at least medieval times until the early 20th century, a man’s promise of engagement to marry a woman was considered, in many jurisdictions, a legally binding contract. If the man were to subsequently change his mind, he would be said to be in “breach” of this promise and subject to litigation for damages.

The converse of this was seldom true; the concept that “it’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind” had at least some basis in law (though a woman might pay a high social price for exercising this privilege, as explained below)—and unless an actual dowry of money or property had changed hands, a man was only rarely able to recover in a “breach of promise” suit against a woman, were he even allowed to file one.

This is another one of those old books ideas that women playing by the new books of modern times still clung to even after the Sexual Revolution. An important part of men’s Blue Pill Beta conditioning is to always defer to a woman’s judgement and choices no matter how duplicitous they may initially appear. Part of the old books social contract was based on a pre-understanding about what was at stake were a man and woman to come together, have sex and potentially bring a child into the world. Prior to the advent of birth control both sexes were on relatively equal presumptions of risk. A woman’s fickleness, duplicity or even prudence made a woman’s prerogative something pragmatic.

Now we move into an era where women have almost unchallenged, unilateral control of the birthing of the next generations of the human race. As I’ve mentioned before, with safe and legal abortion, feminine-controlled birth control, feminine-primary societal norms, feminine-controlled definitions of rape or harassment, and feminine-controlled legislation of men’s responsibility to fatherhood (irrespective of genetic origin) women’s consolidation on power is nearly complete.

All of these bases of social control revolve around a woman’s control of Hypergamy and the complete exclusion of men’s influence on it, beyond his genetic and provisional qualifications to satisfy it. When we combine the old books idiom of a woman’s right to change her mind with the nearly total control of Hypergamy, we see that the more we progress socially the more evident this feminine base of control is.

All social mandates revolve around satisfying women’s Hypergamous doubts, or allaying or justifying the fear of living with the consequences of them. Even in the current Presidential election we see this dynamic in action with the potential for the first female President.

Changes

In the next post in this series I’ll get into how women’s hindbrains struggle to keep up with the immediate rewards of social media and that the advancement of technology that gratifies their evolved psychological natures. However, for this discussion it’s important to understand that the advancements that have led to women’s social primacy of today are still tenuous. Vasagel could be one catalyst that is a game changer; a challenger not just to our intersexual dynamic, but the power hold women retain in directing Hypergamy and putting the direction of human breeding (in a much larger part) in the control of men.

I find it ironic and fitting that the promise of unrestricted sex which men believed they would enjoy with the advent of women’s hormonal birth control is the same rationale I’m reading from women about Vasagel. What they don’t consider is that this new invention will give men a new male prerogative with regard to who they will or will not start a family with.

I understand that in some ‘sphere communities Vasagel is the ‘big fuck you’ to women for have had such uncontested social control for so long, but to them I would advise not to get too elated too quickly. For the most part the socio-psychological infrastructure that conditions men for the Blue Pill will still exist, and there will always be Betas, even ones with the male prerogative that Vasagel implies, who will still defer to the feminine as their only means to sex and intimacy. The Feminine Imperative is nothing if not fluidly redefining itself to work around challenges to it s power. Vasagel may represent a change (assuming men are allowed to have it or can afford it) in our intersexual dynamics, but it will take some time before there is real change in our social dynamics as a result of it.

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YaReally
YaReally
5 years ago

@Anonymous Reader
“Pfft. You can do better than this hairsplitting.”

That’s literally all they do in these discussions. We can drop a shitload of facts and logic and all their responses are shit like “uhh ACTUALLY he’s only got 143.243 million dollars” and “well ACTUALLY he was raised in a town 30 minutes south of the town where the REAL No True Scottsmans are” and “oh well ACTUALLY that girl is a slut because now NAWALT” etc etc

It’s exhausting lol but guys learning game need to know the truth so they stop getting burned.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Care to explain? It doesn’t seem plausible. Realistically speaking, even if Vasalgel becomes legally accessible at a reasonable price, only a small minority of men will bother to use it – mostly well-off, high-status, red-pilled men. At the current price of $1,000, I’d agree. But c’mon, you don’t know any 20-something men who would agree to this if it meant they were absolutely shooting blanks, and would do so for years with no maintenance, and unlike vasectomy it’s reversable? Never mind the high status, what about the low status who want to be higher status, and know that child support… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

What are we really trying to accomplish here? I’m sure it is a good sport to go back and forth an parse sentences from guys comments and have a comeback. Back and forth, back and forth. Last time I checked, we are and should be on the same side. But what is the real import of guys getting together to talk manosphere topics in the venue that Rollo has provided? You can get indignant about all the proclamations made. But what are you going to do about it? Brad Pitt is Brad Pitt. You gotta figure he was bored by… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Pfft. You can do better than this hairsplitting.”

It’s not hairsplitting. What it is is not particularly relevant. The relevant fact is that Jolie is worth nearly as much.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Christ guys, been devoting the past few day’s free time to catch up and I’m STILL like five pages behind. Glad I read the ‘best of’ comments till the end though, we got some good stuff even up to the last page (though there was a hell of a lot of hay ’round those needles). Sorry if I’m just bringing shit forward again, but as I see it most of the disagreement centers around two main issues: first, men who see meaning in the holistic experience of marriage but haven’t really thought about it in a way that’s easy to… Read more »

YaReally
YaReally
5 years ago

@Forge the Sky “first, men who see meaning in the holistic experience of marriage but haven’t really thought about it in a way that’s easy to convey to people who just haven’t experienced it.” The thing is we GET it. We GET that. But what we’re trying to explain is that WOMEN don’t. The labels and titles don’t mean anything to them anymore, no matter how hard you play by the 1.0 books you’re still playing by the 1.0 books while women have moved on. It’s not that we don’t get the magical connection “believe in it and it’ll help”… Read more »

YaReally
YaReally
5 years ago

If BOTH partners still heavily believed in that “marriage CHANGES things, it just DOES” magic, GREAT. That’s WHY the old OMG marriages worked out.

But that’s not what’s out there anymore for the 90% of men out there who are still signing up for the slaughterhouse because no one has any alternative options for them. Right now the marriage is the guy thinking it’ll magically change things if he believes hard enough and the girl taking pics of her ring for her instagram Likes.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“You mention ‘don’t be named the father’ repeatedly. Is that actionable?” As actionable as gaming the mother not to go feral on you, so it’s all wrapped up in the same ball of wax. A woman refusing to name the father at all goes back quite some way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrFrWrQxBK0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_Letter But it isn’t a one time deal. She can fill in the blank spot on the birth certificate any time she likes, so you not only have to get her to refuse to name the father, but you have to get her to either hold to that, or name some… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“He did what he was told to do. Just like SJF. Just like you.” Lol. You got my narrative mixed up. I may be inscrutable (and fancy myself as a Mastermind), but I never actually did what I was told as an operating principle. I never was actually blue pill (as you recall, in my marriage I was betatized by a strong woman because I abdicated my real of dominance as a male. A mistake. Since, relatively corrected, through married red pill game. I adapted and regained footing through red pill awareness and game. I may have used Purple Pill… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ SJF

” What are we really trying to accomplish here?”

Lol. When the comments veer off into the repetition and circular, we are accomplishing nothing.

This is where I go for coffee and a snack.

We start off talking about Vagesel or whatever, then we get sidetracked by the shiny Brad Pitt thing, and we slowly work our way back to the marriage thing. All roads lead….

I was considering trying to help explain vetting, but Meh. I am not good at the whole microscopic explanation thing.

YaReally
YaReally
5 years ago

@Forge “and so the only way to possibly help a man is one at a time, by inspiring him to BE exceptional, ” Plus we want that TOO. But if you can become so exceptional that you can beat the odds of surviving legal marriage and hold your frame in it, then you can do the EXACT SAME THING minus the legal contract, and get the exact same benefits (since women in 2016 don’t view “wife” or “marriage” as having any real magic meaning like in the OMG days). It’s nice and simple, basic logic and risk/benefit analysis. The only… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

Nobody expects the Wookie Suit apocalypse!

joe
joe
5 years ago

I heard a female dj talk about James Bond. She said she hoped that talk of Daniel Craig quitting the franchise were true – she didn’t like blonde, short or stocky men. There was no reaction to this. Talk about double standards! Could you imagine the fuss if a man judged women by type. If a man said “I don’t like Halle Berry because Bond girls should have blonde hair, be thinner and have longer hair”. TSWHTF Why is it totally unacceptable for men to have preferences, yet for women to say what they like? To make matters worse, this… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
5 years ago

@joe

She’s trying to fuck up into class. Of course she’s a classless whore.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
5 years ago

@YaReally

I thought it was a better idea to bring the overall level of quality of man low that suddenly made one of them(women) cluck to a nerdy orbiter to make up social media so she could have an easier time finding the “right one”.

Oh wait…..

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

kfg It’s not hairsplitting. What it is is not particularly relevant. The relevant fact is that Jolie is worth nearly as much. Ok, that’s not splitting hairs so much. It’s another factor to consider. Recall the man I knew who was an HVAC tech, skilled labor, who was marred to a woman that firvorced him, moved to another town. She took a job with some unit of government, and very likely her current income became equal to his. Maybe greater than his. She’d be as much the “provider” as him. In other words, she became her own beta, in zero… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Also, since we’re talking prognostication with this series of OP: I recently read this series based on MSimon’s rec: http://atom.singularity2050.com/1-prologue.html I know that futuretelling is notoriously hard, but I found a lot of the ideas here to be pretty interesting. Basically he’s laying out a concrete way we will see, in the next few decades, the economy shift to accommodate the increasing obsolescence of most people in the workforce. I don’t have the economic chops to really tell if it’s interesting or moonshine, however. I would love to hear people’s thoughts on in, particularly @kfg and @Scribblerg since I think… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
5 years ago

@YaReally

“I say no point being the best at riding a broken rollercoaster. Build a new one.”

Don’t you still have to BUILD that shit? And with GIRDERS? Fuck and what to do about the Vandals in relationships that will have fun with you one way or the other? Either by riding you or breaking your rollercoaster?

Saracen III
Saracen III
5 years ago

Have the snip. Keep the receipt.
If asked about Vaselgel:
“My dear, that is none of your business,
and whether you become pregnant is none of mine”

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@SJB “@habd: Your last bit is probably the most likely unintended consequence; while forced sterilizations of the past is now seen as a human rights violation, temporary male sterilization with reversal administered by a primarily female bureaucratic licensing agency would probably be accepted with few overt qualms. The rationale would be eliminating unintended (from the female’s perspective) pregnancy.” @AR “Yeah, this might just happen in the next 4 to 6 years. A big media / “doctors agree [*]” push as was done for Gardasil would get probably 80% or more of young men snared in. ” @Ajax Parallax “Don’t worry.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Forge:

Looks good to me, with the addition that inheritance and real property, particularly family housing, will transfer to women. Men will live in “barracks.”

Women’s housing:

http://kellyblanchard.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2d.jpg

Men’s housing:

http://www.archello.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/header_detail_large/eb71483dbf3747ccbcf8eb9ff889757cw1920wm.jpg

Although the fourth world war (we’ve had three already, the first goes by the names of various campaigns and doesn’t have its own) could toss everything out the window.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Forge Basically he’s laying out a concrete way we will see, in the next few decades, the economy shift to accommodate the increasing obsolescence of most people in the workforce. 80 years ago a strong body and an ability to follow instructions pretty much got a man a job of some sort. That’s been going away since the 1950’s bit by bit. One man with a back hoe vs. ten men with pick/shovel/wheelbarrow. The process accellerated in the 80’s and again in the 90’s and again now. Chinese factories are rapidly automating, throwing former peasants out of work. I’ve been… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

“C’mon, if you went over to some other man’s garage and he had a small block V-8 pulled out that had thrown a rod, wouldn’t you ask “How did THAT happen? Over-revved? Bad bearing? What?”. Damage assessment / failure analysis. Not “engine worship”.

First question – How many miles did it have on it?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Blaximus:

That’s a lot of snipers. Motivational. Thanks for sharing.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

“Meaning: he was trying to be the DAD.”

But he went into it being a child… ergo the shift is cataclysmic… leading to a rift…

Now had he started out having hand, leading and being a dad, well that would be a different story…

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

HABD

and (i just thought of this) maybe somebody could start an organization to set rules/guidelines for exactly this situ…you know, in ‘reaction’ to the current legal mess that marriage is…mra-style… with a rule-book and everything…

Oh so something like a culture perhaps? With incentives and penalties and self policing and such? Like these UMC communities, and religious communities and hindi arranged marriage communities etc?

How about that.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Sentiet
First question – How many miles did it have on it?

Legit. Congrats.

Try that actual thinking on other topics sometime.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Brad Pitt religious zealot… totally brainwashed…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3337072/Brad-Pitt-says-atheist-strict-Christian-upbringing-religious-parents.html

Brad Pitt has revealed he is an atheist, having rejected his strict Christian upbringing.

The film star, 51, was raised in a Southern Baptist household ‘with all the Christian guilt about what you should and shouldn’t do’ and described his father as ‘very, very tough’.

But he has now turned his back on religion, having described himself as an atheist.

Max from Australia
Max from Australia
5 years ago

@Softek “I feel like I’d be able to walk comfortably as long as I knew she wasn’t going to kill herself ” Mate get out now!!! I have just wasted 18 years of my life with one of these. My Dad committed suicide so, like you, I have seen it very intimately and how deeply it scars… So I stayed and stayed and stayed, utterly miserable. Then when cash and prizes from me where at their maximum, and she was a few years away from inheriting a few million bucks. She ended our marriage….And she’s happy. I have only been… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Nony

LOL… you just don’t read carefully…

Now how about not ducking my question for a 5th time?

How old are you? Where are you on the spectrum – virgin incel, single never married but not a virgin, married or divorced? Tell us how you came to be you?

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@kfg gotcha, so it’s just a charisma/hand thing. I suspected as much. @YaReally Lol alright, that makes sense. I’m not trying to wade back in with the whole issue, I just tend to summarize things a bit differently than most people so I thought I’d take a crack at summarizing ‘The State of the Question.’ I agree that if you don’t find a girl that really has the ‘Marriage 1.0’ narrative as part of her firmware you probably REALLY shouldn’t get into a Marriage 1.0 like circumstance with her. And that you’re pretty unlikely to these days. As I see… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Nobody expects the Wookie Suit apocalypse!”

Unfortunately, though, the Strawman Army is expected and continues to be advanced.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@AR Yeah, I mean, it could create some serious ennui. But maybe we’ll learn to accomodate; a life of leisure for anyone who doesn’t want to work! Lol, it sounds pretty incredible but then you start to think about what people tend to do with all the free time they have NOW. The sorts of people who use it in a happy, productive manner are also the sorts of people who would still work. Along with the occasional happy free spirit. @kfg “Looks good to me, with the addition that inheritance and real property, particularly family housing, will transfer to… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Forge ” I’d further note that you can’t make things to easy. People get bored with each other when the other isn’t doing something that has an objective for either them or the relationship. If you’re spending lots of time together just watching TV then things are probably gonna go south quickly. You both need to have a FUNCTION in the relationship. Even if it’s just ‘doing cool things without her that she can brag to her friends about’ lol. Life being too easy (and therefore boring) is at LEAST as much of an obstacle to LTR’s working in… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

….It’s actually a big part of how men wound up where they are.

( IMO )

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . the Strawman Army is expected and continues to be advanced.”

Yeah, but in these parts they generally march in circles.

@Forge: “Because of women having charge of the children?”

Well, at heart just because they are women really. But the fact that women have the children is the power base, and what makes them women in the first place. The children are being used as the plausible excuse and the leverage to make the transfer of property.

But the transfer of property itself is implementing the model.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Forge “If I have to point to one thing that seems to make a huge difference, it is that this ‘family culture’ thing I’m talking about is deeply correlated with people DOING SPECIFIC THINGS, playing a certain role, day in day out. Each person needs a daily rhythm that is unique to them, and that wouldn’t work if they weren’t in the family unit (i.e. like the woman spending a fair amount of time each day cooking instead of going to work and quickly throwing together something in the microwave like she’d have to if she lived by herself).” And… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” Hurry Up and Just Tell Me The Easy Way ”

Try, fail, get hurt, learn from the pain is the easy way.

But the plain truth isn’t as pretty as a lie can be crafted.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

“C’mon, if you went over to some other man’s garage and he had a small block V-8 pulled out that had thrown a rod, wouldn’t you ask “How did THAT happen? Over-revved? Bad bearing? What?”. Damage assessment / failure analysis. Not “engine worship”. Nah. I’d say ” you fucked that block up, huh?”. 9 times out of 10 when a rod gets thrown, the block gets fucked basically, unless you were tooling around at 25 mph, and stopped immediately upon hearing the death noises from under the hood. ” how did THAT happen ?”, is purely academic at that point.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Sentient

” and much of the failure of family and marriage is a lack of leadership.”

Co-fucking-SIGN.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

I heart kfg.

Seriously.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Experience is a motherfucker.”

Engineer’s (British meaning) Maxim:

Experience is proportional to the amount of equipment destroyed.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

” Experience is proportional to the amount of equipment destroyed.”

Well then, I have achieved Master Level.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Yeah, the only people that matter are the UMC and their UC masters. It’s not like the MC or working people are all that important. Because power plants and the power distribution grid totally maintain themselves, right? Or maybe the UMC can just will “No power outages in MY Realm”, eh? Meanwhile in the real world, most of Puerto Rico has got no electricity. Back to kerosene lamps or private generators. Most people on ‘Rico don’t have gensets. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CB_PUERTO_RICO_POWER_OUTAGE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-09-22-18-21-53 But, hey, it’s not like stable family formation for most men in society matters. Just party on at the Country Club,… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

“And these things do not self organize, you have to have a leader… and the leader make followers a) believe and invest and b) be accountable… and much of the failure of family and marriage is a lack of leadership.” I’d also note, though, that the nuclear family model wherein each man was required to be a familial leader is an anomaly. Most families, historically, have been larger units – with all sorts of roles and pre-built cultural oddities – that a woman would join through the mechanism of marriage. It wasn’t up to each man to make it from… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

“Sentient”
LOL… you just don’t read carefully…

Nah. I just don’t emote as much as you.

Now how about not ducking my question for a 5th time?
How old are you? Where are you on the spectrum – virgin incel, single never married but not a virgin, married or divorced? Tell us how you came to be you?

What, in the end, difference does it make?

You doxx yourself, then we’ll talk.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Blaximus
So what I would ask is ” do you want to try and salvage this block? ” or ” do you want to find a new/used block and build it stronger, so that whatever the fuck happened won’t happen again?”.

Hey, whoa, that’s engine worship!

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Forge Yeah, I mean, it could create some serious ennui. But maybe we’ll learn to accomodate; a life of leisure for anyone who doesn’t want to work! Do you know any trustafarians? Seriously, do you know any people with more inherited wealth than they know what to do with? Lol, it sounds pretty incredible but then you start to think about what people tend to do with all the free time they have NOW. The sorts of people who use it in a happy, productive manner are also the sorts of people who would still work. Along with the occasional… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Forge @ Sentient I attended a marriage over the past weekend. I also attended a house warming. In my burgeoning social circle, all of the married men have a kind of pact. We all support and help one another. Months prior to the groom’s wedding day, we ( married guys ) all counseled him tirelessly. We made sure that he understood that he had help, guidance and instruction available 24/7. This has been routine for us over a 15 year timeframe. I attended the house warming not to eat cake and drink coffee, but to offer my support to… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“That just means most of the population would be “excess”, from the perspective of the extreme upper class. Not needed. Not wanted.”

The term of art is “useless eater.”

jsolbakken
jsolbakken
5 years ago
Reply to  kfg

Regarding Useless Eaters: Nobody “owes” the rest of the world its living. A parent owes a child, perhaps, but nobody owes a general debt of slavery to the rest of humanity to pay its bills. The way to handle people in need is with “charity,” the provisioning of necessities out of love for God and our fellow man, not out of obligation. Liberals hate the idea of love, they prefer the harshness of totalitarian obligation and coercion, for some reason. Liberals hate the teaching of God that says “those who will not work should not eat.” The liberals believe in… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Blaximus Furthermore, what I am starting to notice is that people do not know how to actually relate to each other anymore. Add to this that it’s almost impossible to point out to them why they are so BORED and out of sorts, and out of touch with life – but it seems impossible for them to understand anymore. Cheer up, VR will only intensify this among the younger people who have never, ever, been “off line” for more than a few hours while asleep. That reminds me: Some state uni’s in the US now have formal classes on table… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

kfg

The term of art is “useless eater.”

Dammit, quit giving the story away so soon.

Now mandatory Vasalgel will look different, even ominous.

Spoilsport.

Luke
Luke
5 years ago

sfer September 21st, 2016 at 10:59 am If you are on Vasalgel and she has a kid, all you have to do is do a genetic test. The reason genetic tests are not done is that there is usually no reason to be suspicious. Plus a very low rate of cuckolding for the unsuspicious in any event Grossly, preposterously misleading last sentence above. https://web.archive.org/web/20050203215419/http://nomarriage.com/paternity_test.shtml From the Guardian, 1998-07-14: “More than 25 years ago the consultant obstetrician E E Phillipp reported to a symposium on embryo transfer that blood tests on between 200 and 300 women in a town in the… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ AR Believe half of what you read. I have property in PR. The electricity issue has been ongoing for a while now. There was a fire that messed up huge parts of the grid. My home hasn’t lost power ( btw, I have a generator, as do most of my neighbors because hurricanes…). The manufactured financial crisis in PR means that the aging infrastructure just sits and rots. Because Puerto rico is not allowed to restructure it’s debt ( driven by wall street ), services of every kind suffer. You’re actually witnessing the destruction of the island by big… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Forge

“I’d also note, though, that the nuclear family model wherein each man was required to be a familial leader is an anomaly. ”

Indeed, reflecting the breakdown of the patriarchy. The good news is though, within YOUR own bottoms up family unit, going forward two generations, you can re-establish this. Great Grandpa Forge – keeper of knowledge and wisdom, still leading… Patriarchy 2.0.

See it everyday all around me. Cultures are cultures.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@Luke – sorry not at home so difficult to dig out the link, but there is a much more recent study which appeared to be of good quality putting the figure more in the 2% range for the general population. 20-30% and stuff is insane – it’s obviously self-selecting because when there is enough suspicion to actually do tests, the results are obviously going to be higher. It’s much harder to tell what the real rate is in the general population – some of those articles you quoted say it is “estimated” to be 10% – how? On what basis?… Read more »

Luke
Luke
5 years ago

Culum, being married to an American woman (especially if she is in the process of divorcing him) is reason enough to have suspicion to do paternity tests. Are you not familiar with the (>40%) marital infidelity rates by women, the percent of marriages (>25% in some surveys) that approach sexless after just a few years (so even rare infidelity has HIGH chances of knocking up the wife if she’s not yet age-infertile), etc.

NWIH that cuckolding is under 5%.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Blax “Iron sharpens Iron.” was the motto in my first company… everything was challenged and you had to back up your opinion. As we grew it became harder to bring new hires, even though experienced, into the culture. Culture is everything. Culture is what your group is setting, for the group. Culture is what SJF’s zip code is setting… what better church groups (especially orthodox) are doing. Culture is what you establish in your own house. Great post. PS – Had a 351C Mustang in high school. Beginning of senior year. developed an engine noise, valve ticking. I had an… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Jesus…. http://img.memecdn.com/Tactical-Facepalm_o_93742.jpg So let me get this straight… Men that have paternity tests ( a static number ) are proven not to be the father in 20-30% of cases. Proving what exactly? So just for shits and giggles, lets hypothesize that in Ballandia there were 5.8 million live births in a given year. Of those births, 150,000 men contested paternity. Of the 150,000 men having paternity tests taken, 30,000 are proved not to be the father. So actually, minus the hype, the number is more like 30,000 out of 5.8 million. Lol. Lol. Lol. What exactly is the point that… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/457058778-1.jpg

Policing their own… current day.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@Sentient You know I am addicted to talking about cars right? I’m powerless against it. I actually fight the FI better than I can resist talking about cars. That Mustang would be worth some nice coin today because of the 351 Cleveland. In my 20’s, I used to roam junkyards in search of the clevelands, and extract every one I could find. I would up with about 8 or them crammed into every corner of my dad’s shop. I used to love shoving them into pintos and mustang II’s. These days, a guy would have to attend a technical school… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ jsolbakken

Yeah. Lovely. …where’s my coffee mug?

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Blax So I did some reading on replacing it, and found out I could go bigger. I went to a junkyard and got a 429 interceptor for $300 that needed a rebuild… had it on a stand in the garage partially apart when i went to college. parents moved while i was in school and junked the car and engine… One of these days… In the WC neighborhood I grew up in, cars were still the thing in the early 80’s. Place nearby for street racing, cruising on weekend nights… Cars on trailers you needed $5k or pinks to take… Read more »

One
One
5 years ago

All this seems unrealistic. So far women win across the board. It’s a cultural wave underpinned by demographics. I don’t see anything but wishful thinking that a man can be alpha and thus protected. For those who think that way its in fact a matter of time… or luck. If you’re lucky your ego will say it’s some X factor, Alpha, Game, whatever, that pulled you through. That’s all crap though. Vasagel? It’ll be stopped or channeled to neutered territory. The price of A Woman’s Prerogative writ large will be a militarized police state to control the demons unleashed by… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

One

well there are some happy thoughts…. thanks?

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ One

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Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Blax One short story… In the back of the garage was an old 9HP Evinrude outboard engine… was Gramp’s. engine not working. when i was 10 or 11 one summer we got to messing around with it, just me and a couple of friends. We took it apart and figured out it needed a new cylinder. went to the boatyard and figured out what we needed. Ordered a new piston and rings. I still remember the day they called and said it was in. How shiny it was. we managed to put it all back together and goddamn the thing… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Sentient ” So I did some reading on replacing it, and found out I could go bigger. I went to a junkyard and got a 429 interceptor for $300 that needed a rebuild… had it on a stand in the garage partially apart when i went to college. parents moved while i was in school and junked the car and engine…” Oh god…welp. Depending on the year of the stang, putting a 429 would’ve necessitated cutting the shock towers to clear it. Changing the spark plugs would’ve become a monumental task, lol, but it’s worth it. I’m sorry for… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Lol, btw Sentient, that hemi cuda is worth more today than the garage that houses it.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

” I still remember the day they called and said it was in. How shiny it was. we managed to put it all back together and goddamn the thing started up… Now we had a motor… so we would get rides down the dock and rent a skiff and spend our summer days puttering around the back bays… pirate kings… mackerel fishing, flounder, clamming… just fucking around all day for a $10 rental… lugging the motor we built. ” Yeesss. That’s the thing. You’re curious, you try something, and goddamn what do you know, you learn some shit!!! Another mystery… Read more »

Luke
Luke
5 years ago

“What exactly is the point that you are trying to make?” That your conclusions are likely inaccurate. Given women’s infidelity rates in marriage, a rate of 30,000 cuckoldings out of 150,000 tested births gives a predicted rate of 20% for the general populace. You mistakenly divided 30,000 into 5.8 million. 20% of 5.8 million yields about 1,160,000 (a little over a million) cuckoldings per year in the U.K. That means that on average, in a family of three, odds are that one of those children is not the putative father’s (despite his delusion that he married a rare one, statistically… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

“…150,000 tested births gives a predicted rate of 20% for the general populace.”

Not really, but whatever floats your boat.

And for the record I did not ” divide 30,000 into 5.8 million “.

I said -” Of the 150,000 men having paternity tests taken, 30,000 are proved not to be the father.

So actually, minus the hype, the number is more like 30,000 out of 5.8 million.”

Now, to establish your number, you’d have to do tests on the 5.8 million.

Get it?

No?

It’s okay. No problem.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

My youngest daughter doesn’t look all that much like me.

She looks exactly like my mom and sisters.

Oh shit, my mom cucked me!!!!!!

This is an outrage!!!!!!

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Yeah, the only people that matter are the UMC and their UC masters. It’s not like the MC or working people are all that important. Because power plants and the power distribution grid totally maintain themselves, right? Or maybe the UMC can just will “No power outages in MY Realm”, eh?” @AR Wrong as usual. Everything and everyone matters. I don’t know anyone around me that doesn’t care. About anyone and anything. When the power crapped out on us 12 years ago, we banded together as a tribe and acted like a fucking tribe. Taking care of ourselves and our… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

“These days, a guy would have to attend a technical school to have access to any kind of shop class. The exception being in the South.” Well, I grew up in the northern Midwest and in Highschool I had to take two years of wood shop, a half year of metalworking, and a half year of electrical engineering. We also snuck some carpentry in there, and anyone interested could learn auto mechanics after school with our custodian/bus mechanic. Of course, this was a school of 200 students wherein the girls were forbidden to wear pants, much less shorts. Oddly, in… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@SJF Hey man! Feel like I haven’t addressed you in a while, we’ve just been off on different topics. “Forge the Sky knows the old school. Family, Family, Family. It actually works.” Yes, I have seen it working. I LIVE it working. But the issue isn’t whether it can work in families formed long ago, or in places like the UMC or religious enclaves. They demonstrably suffer from a ‘failure to launch’ outside of that context. So what I’m trying to decipher is: WHAT are the essential elements of that context to family formation? And: can they be replicated elsewhere?… Read more »

Luke
Luke
5 years ago

Someone define for Blaximus the term “statistically significant sample”. I’m too bored with his blue-pill obfuscations to explain to him how 150,000 tests are rather predictive.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Forge

“I’m just trying to give the perspective of a dude who’s seen both sides.”

And

“WHAT are the essential elements of that context to family formation?”

Starts with which side you choose…

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ Max Great to hear your improvements. Crazy you were wrapped in that relationship for so long, but glad you made it to the other side. Gives me a lot of much needed hope. @ SJF Social media has good uses for men too. I’ve been taking a lot of pictures of my work and the accolades are a big boost for me, and motivation to keep my work as pristine as possible. Before and After pictures are great for building up a portfolio too, and can serve as their own credentials for potential customers. I wasn’t aware of this… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Sentient

“Starts with which side you choose…”

Sure, in MY case. But most men don’t have the option of just CHOOSING to be upper class, or of having a series of referrence points for recreating their experience. Any more than early PUA’s had a clue how to replicate the effect a Natural had on a girl, which he would explain as like ‘just choose to be attractive to her, show her your sexy side!’

I may just ‘get it,’ but I’m trying to find a path towards explaining it to those who don’t.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Luke

Yo,, use the force.

Really, don’t be bored. I’m just fucking with you because I really give much less than a half a fuck about you or your statistics. Stat on bro.

Blue pill???

Man. That shit hurt.😑😑😑

Did you come to that conclusion using statistics?

What go the stats say the odds are that you can eat shit and die?

Lol.

I’m just fucking with you. You don’t seem like the type of dude that has a sense of humor at all.

Statistically that makes you no fun.

othergrain
othergrain
5 years ago

Blax and Luke “So just for shits and giggles, lets hypothesize that in Ballandia there were 5.8 million live births in a given year. Of those births, 150,000 men contested paternity. Of the 150,000 men having paternity tests taken, 30,000 are proved not to be the father.” You’re assuming the only tests done were where the man contested paternity. I haven’t read the studies, but the first referenced is one presented at the symposium on embryo transfer, based on blood tests from the mother (and presumably embryo/child). That doesn’t sound like a study based on (possibly rightfully so) paranoid dads’… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ othergrain Yeah, I pretty much agree with culum. Guys contesting paternity aren’t a representative sample. The wording is misleading. I went to the site he linked…nomarriGe.com or something, and it’s just bits and pieces plucked from various ” studies “. That kinda set my Spidey senses off. Then he said that he didn’t want to explain statistically significance, or some such bullshit, to me when I asked him wtf he was talking about. 100,000 dudes contesting paternity is only relevant to that 100,000. I know how stats work, I smaerft..lol but that’s that bullshit right there. I get tired… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

YaReally Sentient HABD Scray Walawala Hank Tom Forge & PUA Gang Finally a good night! Goals set – goals met. Thursday night at the Latin dance club. 3 x 10 minute conversations on cold approach (well, one was c 6 min because she had to reluctantly go give her friend her drink, but I’m counting it as a win). I was really tired last night – I’ve been going out a lot and not getting much sleep plus under a lot of pressure at work (dealing with a massive dickhead on a project – I’ve been maintaining my boundaries well… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Forge

It’s not class… I grew up WC. It’s mindset. What do you want? OK. Make it happen.

Mindset. And lack of fear to pursue your goals, the resolve to muster through, the development of your skills. ..

Sound like anything?

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

@Culum well done young padawan. Latin dance clubs are perfect because the girls expect you to approach to dance. It’s got a built in opener: let’s dance.

Make life easier not harder. Got to places where your self esteem will grow. Most of those places have a free introductory lesson . Great way to hit up girls who are there on the pretext of dancing.

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

Brilliant.post!!! Gold!

kobayashii1681
5 years ago

” From the research I did for this piece, and coming from the usual feminist suspects, you’d think that Vasalgel would be a Godsend for sex-positive feminism. If I’m a bit skeptical it’s because the usual feminist sources are following the same shortsighted emotionalism that put them into virtually total control of the course of the human species.”

Here’s hoping this emotional shortsightedness contributes to the release of Vasalgel.

Though it may not change the AF/BB paradigm per se, it would definitely be a a good weapn(?).

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Likely OT, as I simply can’t keep up here. But check this out. The fashion industry is shunning “hunks” in favor of androgynous manlettes.
This is what our FI soaked, femcentric, masculinity-hating elitist overlords are telling us masculinity should look like.
http://ffw.com.br/app/uploads/noticias/2015/03/gender-bender-1200×800.jpg

Literally makes me gag.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hunks-fashion-breaks-codes-male-models-025107757.html

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Blaximus “In my burgeoning social circle, all of the married men have a kind of pact. We all support and help one another. We made sure that he understood that he had help, guidance and instruction available 24/7. This has been routine for us over a 15 year timeframe.” I for one thing that that is cool as hell. No one ever really does that in real life. I understand you were brought up that way. All humans that were successful at procreating and raising children evolved that way. In a bottoms up tribal method of kinship altruism. That is… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@Forge I think seeing/experiencing different ” cultures” around the country is highly instructive and helpful. Sometimes reading here in the comments, I feel like I’m observing an alien society somewhat. I know that mostly we are all in the same country, but the actual realities are so varied it’s insane. I think part of the problem is media influences teaching the populace a false and harmful message, and people’s willingness to accept instruction from an ” other ” that’s not part of their immediate reality. Broad consensus is often misguided and misleading, but people – men in particular – appear… Read more »

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ Culum

Good job, keep at it. Inspiring to guys like me who are still terrified of opening (for no good reason).

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Blax

LOL, all over again.

Me @8:16 am Blax @8:19 am

You would think we were collaborating behind the scenes.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ SJF

It’s that OMG back-slapping and declaring victory that Ya spoke of previously… I guess.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@SJF: ” I had a feeling that everything mattered for the future. And I proved my hypothesis right as time went on. Those boring, hard work issues were really important for a foundation later on.” Once upon a time, I was sitting around a table with a bunch of guys, and a CE guy turned to a chem prof and asked: “You know, I’ve always wondered, why is organic chemistry a required course for pre-med? Is the average doctor really going to use it in his practice?” And the chem prof answered: “No, not really. A guy who goes on… Read more »

anon
anon
5 years ago

kfg: “Nobody expects the Wookie Suit apocalypse!”

Wookies gonna go full Wook.

anon
anon
5 years ago

Never go full Wook.

Per the house “thing” (menz and womenz). I’ll explain.
Different scenarios:
1) Affluent couple lives in large beautiful well decorated expensive home.
2) Affluent guy lives alone in bachelor pad.
3) Affluent couple lives in home that looks like bachelor pad.

Scenario 2:
Women think, “That guy needs a wife!” (inserts themselves)
Scenario 3:
Women think, “That guy needs a NEW wife!” (inserts themselves)

Scenario 1 is mate guarding behavior.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Thanks Softek and Walawala – it really helps to keep plugging away at it and each day is a bit better than the previous one, but it’s slow. Especially when restarting after a break and getting back into the groove. Softek – you know, one thing I was thinking when reading your posts and mine. Obviously your situation is much more serious, but it’s the same principle. You have all the knowledge and support you need – you KNOW you need to get out of your relationship. Like right now. But at the end of the day only you can… Read more »

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