A Woman’s Prerogative

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“A woman talks to one man, looks at a second, and thinks of a third.” – Niti Sataka

Reader/Blogger Ian Ironwood had a really on-point comment about last week’s piece that I’d already considered for the next essay to continue this series:

Excellent post, Rollo. It goes without saying that the Pill and liberalized divorce law was the first step on this path, but few appreciate its logical conclusion. Especially feminism, in the face of evolving technology. Pendulums swing both ways, and the reverse can be devastating.

In particular, your discussion of evolutionary biology/psychology and evolving technologies is spot-on. One element many men (and almost all women) do not appreciate is the social change that will erupt when Vasalgel or one of the similar products/procedures is finally authorized by the FDA. For the uninformed, Vasalgel promises ten baby-free years for a man before it breaks down, and can be removed at any point to get a woman pregnant. It works without messing with your hormones by simply shredding the sperm in the vas deferens. It costs about $1000. One time.

The social implications of this are clear: suddenly for the first time in history, a woman would have to seek a man’s permission to have a child with him. This small, subtle shift will have dramatic consequences, especially as we head into the Age of the Herbivore. When all of those egg-freezing women and their younger, more opportunistic sisters can no longer practice rampant reproductive coercion, then the social balance will shift again, and hard. Men who screw without the shredder are not to be trusted and are demonstrably irresponsible…but men with it are impervious to the traditional biological means of ensuring a commitment. Suddenly we are very much on an even playing field, and everything is back on the table. It will take the conscious will and permission of both parties to have a child, and men in that position will find themselves in a far more powerful spot than they have ever been in.

Finding a suitable father for your kid is hard enough, from a female perspective. Finding one who also sees you as a worthy enough mother for his children to make the conscious decision to remove his birth control is going to be much, much harder. And the prospect of starting all over with a new man as her biological viability evaporates is going to be . . . problematic. We’ll see a much more intense emphasis on the Epiphany phase, and a multi-layered cultural panic as competition increases among women across the board.

The cultural freakout will include more-of-the-same “where did all the good men go?” “manbaby” “dropout loser mother’s basement” frustrated criticism of men; which is why it’s important, from a cultural perspective, that there are men articulating our essential cultural position: marriage, as it stands, no longer serves our interests, and we will select only women of the highest quality to raise our children with – mindfully.

It will be interesting to see how it evolves, but I predict this one little fact alone – independent of the other sexual distractions available to modern man, from internet porn to Tindr to prostitution to robotic sex dolls – will put modern feminism and womanhood in general into a crisis. I look forward to your next few parts.

Despite what a handful of new commenters believe, I have written in the past about the dramatic cultural shift that unilaterally feminine-controlled hormonal birth control has meant to Western culture. I started this by addressing the feminine side of the birth control situation in posts like Fem-Centrism (also an important chapter in The Rational Male) because it offers and confirms for Red Pill men so many examples of how the psychological nature of women interacts with their biological natures:

Sexual Revolution

I got into a hypothetical debate with an online friend as to what it would mean to humanity (and masculinity in particular) if a new method of birth control was developed with the specific and unique ability to allow men to control conception to the same degree women were given with hormonal contraception in the mid-sixties. I thought it interesting that human effort could create reliable contraception for women in the 60’s, yet in 2011 we can map the human genome and yet not figure out how to afford men the same degree of birth control?

Put simply, the feminine imperative will not allow this.

Imagine the social and economic damage to the feminine infrastructure if Prometheus gave such fire to Men? Imagine that balance of control veering back into the masculine; for men to literally have the exclusive choice to fulfill a woman’s sexual strategy or not.

The conversation got heated. Men could never be trusted with such a power! Surely humanity would come to a grinding, apocalyptic end if the feminine sexual strategy was thwarted by reliable male contraception. Societies would be sundered, populations would nosedive, and the nuclear family would be replaced with a neo-tribalism dictated by men’s sexual strategies. Honestly, you’d think the discovery of atomic weapons was on par with such an invention.

The ridiculous, pathetic endemically juvenile and perverse masculinity that 50 years of feminization created could never be trusted to further humanity in pursuing their sex’s inborn imperatives.

Yet, this is precisely the power that was put into the hands of women in the 1960’s and remains today. The threat that male contraception represents to the feminine imperative is one of controlling the framework of which gender’s sexual strategy will be the normative. Prior to the advent of female-exclusive hormonal birth control and the sexual revolution that resulted from it, the gender playing field was level, if not tipped in favor of masculinity due to men’s provisioning being a motivating factor in women achieving their own gender imperative. Latex prophylactics were available in the 40’s, and this may have afforded men a slight advantage, but both parties knew and agreed to the terms of their sexual activity at the time of copulation.

Once feminine-exclusive birth control was convenient and available the locus of control switched to feminine primacy. Her imperative became the normalized imperative. His sexual imperative was only a means to achieving her own, and now the control was firmly placed in favor of feminine hypergamy. Whether in the developing world or in first world nations, the onus of directing the course of humanity fell upon women, and thus the feminine reality evolved into what it is today.

Freelove 2.0

It would appear that if all clinical testing goes according to hopes, Vasalgel will be this new form of unilaterally male-controlled birth control. I am, however, cautiously apprehensive about how accessible this breakthrough in male birth control will actually be. From the research I did for this piece, and coming from the usual feminist suspects, you’d think that Vasalgel would be a Godsend for sex-positive feminism. If I’m a bit skeptical it’s because the usual feminist sources are following the same shortsighted emotionalism that put them into virtually total control of the course of the human species.

Naturally, feminism would like to paint Vasalgel as some equalist responsibility for men. Almost every feminist article I read aboutVasalgel had some exasperated variation of “well, it’s about time men were given some responsibility for birth control” and then citing how difficult it was to remember to take a pill regularly. The other refrain was about how women couldn’t wait to get off the birth control hormones that made them fat, moody or just ornery, and how great it would be to have men be responsible for the convenience of their sex lives – more on that later.

But this is more than a bit facetious for women, because it only illustrates women’s (or feminist writer’s) obliviousness as to how male birth control will affect a base of power the Feminine Imperative has enjoyed for over five generations now. The fact that we’ve had female-controlled hormonal birth control, as well as legal, medically safe, abortion since the mid 60s and we’re only now developing/testing a male-controlled alternative in 2016 should speak volumes about our culture’s feminine-primary priorities.

This idea never occurs to women apparently; at least not publicly. Bear in mind all the development for Vasalgel has taken place almost entirely outside of western cultures (India being the test-bed). It could be that Vasalgel is still in its infancy with regard to a feminine-primary public awareness and women are still caught up in the hedonistically entitled mindset that only speaks to convenience in their sex lives. My guess is that not a lot of critical insight has been given as to how, as Ian and myself have explained, a feminine-primary social order would be affected by men’s far greater control of women’s Hypergamous strategies.

The ‘greater good’ of Vasalgel at this stage is all couched in the hope that it will help end unwanted pregnancies. That sounds like a progressive’s idea of a benefit to society, but at this stage what’s being overlooked is how a new technological advancement will immediately and irrevocably alter the direction of our larger culture.

I spoke to this in last week’s article. The rapid advancement of Vasalgel represents the potential of altering the direction of a social order that’s depended on the presumption of a unilateral control of Hypergamy for almost sixty years now. My guess is that once we get closer to realizing the use of Vasalgel as practical birth control for men the more resistance and legislation will be lobbied against it as the idea of what it could mean to the Feminine Imperative starts to sink in.

Her Prerogative

Now, we have to bring the implications of male-controlled birth control full circle here. There’s been a common idiom about women’s ‘right’ to choice for centuries now – a woman’s prerogative; a woman always has the right to change her mind. I actually looked up where this notion first started and it went as far back as (you guessed it) courtly love of medieval times:

Breach of promise is a common lawtort, abolished in many jurisdictions. It was also called breach of contract to marry,[1] and the remedy awarded was known as heart balm.

From at least medieval times until the early 20th century, a man’s promise of engagement to marry a woman was considered, in many jurisdictions, a legally binding contract. If the man were to subsequently change his mind, he would be said to be in “breach” of this promise and subject to litigation for damages.

The converse of this was seldom true; the concept that “it’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind” had at least some basis in law (though a woman might pay a high social price for exercising this privilege, as explained below)—and unless an actual dowry of money or property had changed hands, a man was only rarely able to recover in a “breach of promise” suit against a woman, were he even allowed to file one.

This is another one of those old books ideas that women playing by the new books of modern times still clung to even after the Sexual Revolution. An important part of men’s Blue Pill Beta conditioning is to always defer to a woman’s judgement and choices no matter how duplicitous they may initially appear. Part of the old books social contract was based on a pre-understanding about what was at stake were a man and woman to come together, have sex and potentially bring a child into the world. Prior to the advent of birth control both sexes were on relatively equal presumptions of risk. A woman’s fickleness, duplicity or even prudence made a woman’s prerogative something pragmatic.

Now we move into an era where women have almost unchallenged, unilateral control of the birthing of the next generations of the human race. As I’ve mentioned before, with safe and legal abortion, feminine-controlled birth control, feminine-primary societal norms, feminine-controlled definitions of rape or harassment, and feminine-controlled legislation of men’s responsibility to fatherhood (irrespective of genetic origin) women’s consolidation on power is nearly complete.

All of these bases of social control revolve around a woman’s control of Hypergamy and the complete exclusion of men’s influence on it, beyond his genetic and provisional qualifications to satisfy it. When we combine the old books idiom of a woman’s right to change her mind with the nearly total control of Hypergamy, we see that the more we progress socially the more evident this feminine base of control is.

All social mandates revolve around satisfying women’s Hypergamous doubts, or allaying or justifying the fear of living with the consequences of them. Even in the current Presidential election we see this dynamic in action with the potential for the first female President.

Changes

In the next post in this series I’ll get into how women’s hindbrains struggle to keep up with the immediate rewards of social media and that the advancement of technology that gratifies their evolved psychological natures. However, for this discussion it’s important to understand that the advancements that have led to women’s social primacy of today are still tenuous. Vasagel could be one catalyst that is a game changer; a challenger not just to our intersexual dynamic, but the power hold women retain in directing Hypergamy and putting the direction of human breeding (in a much larger part) in the control of men.

I find it ironic and fitting that the promise of unrestricted sex which men believed they would enjoy with the advent of women’s hormonal birth control is the same rationale I’m reading from women about Vasagel. What they don’t consider is that this new invention will give men a new male prerogative with regard to who they will or will not start a family with.

I understand that in some ‘sphere communities Vasagel is the ‘big fuck you’ to women for have had such uncontested social control for so long, but to them I would advise not to get too elated too quickly. For the most part the socio-psychological infrastructure that conditions men for the Blue Pill will still exist, and there will always be Betas, even ones with the male prerogative that Vasagel implies, who will still defer to the feminine as their only means to sex and intimacy. The Feminine Imperative is nothing if not fluidly redefining itself to work around challenges to it s power. Vasagel may represent a change (assuming men are allowed to have it or can afford it) in our intersexual dynamics, but it will take some time before there is real change in our social dynamics as a result of it.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Shit.

I made the mistake of reading some of the comments at CH.

Jesus….those fucking morons.

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In regards to the picture in OP, there was this 30 year old stripper chick who looked great for her age, solid HB8 all dolled up, that proposed marriage to me while giving me a lap dance while I was 19 years old in the military at the time circa 1997. I told her, “No, because one; you’re too fucking old, and two; I know what you’re after.” Cool story, right?

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Pro Tip-

Do not run trains of drunk, vomiting, passed out chicks.

There are a number of chicks out there that would love a train session without the use of alcohol. Make the effort, find them, game them, wrap it up and proceed.

Your fantasy isn’t in the bar. Or the club.

Be fucking careful. Everything isn’t a game and all laughs.

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One of these days I will have to get off my ass and do a post on the reality of steroids vs the scare media stories about steroids

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” Look at the stats for alcoholism and opioid abuse for UMC white men in the 38-50 demographic. It’s staggering and defies the logic that it’s reasonably affluent men who look to chemical escapism. Why do you suppose that is? What good reason is there for well-off men who’re educated and have fairly stable jobs to seek out opiates?” This right here. I’ve seen this up close with my own 2 eyes. I figured it out a while ago from talking to these ” types ” of guys, that what you are saying is very much true. They follow ”… Read more »

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Years ago Jolie gave the world a peek into her head when she kissed her brother in the mouth like he was her boyfriend at an awards show. Angelina, the wild child. Lol.

But then, she ” changed ” and became the serious Angelina.

I laughed then as I laugh now.

Mo’ money, Mo’ Problems.

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…. Am I defined by my success? Or is my success defined by me?

Okay. I’m done with my disjointed thoughts.

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@Rollo: “They may not be Betas per se, but they definitely are paralyzed by their Blue Pill conditioning.” Part of the Red Pill adoption I struggle with is that every shit-test, every frame snatch attempt, every flake “triggers” a fear of “Was I being beta????” When it works, Red Pill really works. But I have a real problem determining: “Is this some external issue (shit test/Cluster B/plain shittiness) or “am I giving off a beta vibe that invites this type of behavior. AWALT is a Red Pill truth. All women shit-test, another Red Pill truth. But if it can happen… Read more »

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The day Wilmer Valderrama settles down and gets married is going to crush me for sure … even more than if Dicaprio took the plunge. So funny that he played the joke character on That 70’s Show but he’s the biggest pimp playa in Hollywood now.

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@Anonymous Reader – on the “doctors agree” point – while it’s true that medicine (and a lot of other science) has been twisted by Big Pharma financial incentives (sometimes in outright corrupt and illegal ways but mostly subtler ones), the fact is there are also plenty of things on which “Doctors agree” that are actually true (as far as we know in 2016, blah blah). It’s not what doctors don’t know that bothers me, it is what they “know” that’s wrong. Statins. “Heart healthy” high carb, low fat, diets. Running miles per day vs. resistance training. All prostatitis is bacterial.… Read more »

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SJB @Anonymous Reader: To your list add the military as a test bed for mandatory albeit temporary male sterilization: we’ll be told the cost saving of not having to dismiss pregnant female soldiers from the theater as well as ensuring training costs are recouped by the female really deploying. Perfect. In fact, I can see the Navy as the first testbed for mandatory Vasalgel, thanks to putting women on subs and ships. “It’s required for the deployment, sailor”. Your second question answers itself. Women will always have the option to get off the carrier or other ship, i.e. off deployment,… Read more »

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Look at the stats for alcoholism and opioid abuse for UMC white men in the 38-50 demographic. It’s staggering and defies the logic that it’s reasonably affluent men who look to chemical escapism. Well I don’t agree, when I am in my very expensive and elite UMC country club in the Middle West all I can see are very masculine men and very feminine women having a very monogamous good time and if a man wants to have an Old Fashioned or three after dinner with a little Oxy on the side that’s his business because what could be dangerous… Read more »

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walawala Part of the Red Pill adoption I struggle with is that every shit-test, every frame snatch attempt, every flake “triggers” a fear of “Was I being beta????” That’s only natural, whether you were once more Alpha and got Betaized, or you were always Betaized, whatever. It results from overthinking the problem. Like standing in the bathroom staring at your own eyes wondering “What if I’m the reflection and the mirror is real” or some other stupid teenaged shit. Game / Red Pill is praxology. Nobody sits in the driver’s seat of a car pondering Newton’s Laws of Motion, we… Read more »

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The whole Brad Pitt thing I’m pretty sure is based on the fact he’s played numerous alpha male roles in movies. He’s good looking, and women project what they’ve seen in his movie performances onto a larger-than-life Alpha Fux persona that exists only in their minds. So yeah, it actually is literally true that they’d hop into bed in a heartbeat with this guy to do the standard hypergamous AF deed, but the catch is- Pitt’s alphaness is a movieland fantasy. In real life he’s an AFC, as is obvious from his numerous beta tells. His alphaness is a projection… Read more »

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@sfer & cuckoldry rarity: Of course the tens of % are overblown but I can´t get myself to consider numbers around 1-5% a “rare occurence”. If we say 5% it´s 1 in 20 which means you come to a parent meeting at your kid´s class and you probably are dealing with about 1 cheater or cuckold (or you´re the one). If we go down, 1 in a 100 still doesn´t sound negligible. The statistical chances you will die in a car accident are much lower than that, yet you see noone claiming that people rarely die in car accidents. (I… Read more »

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walawala September 21st, 2016 at 7:55 pm Your candidness is revealing. The things you are admitting are telling and you would really benefit with actionable tools to break free of old blue pill conditioning in what you are describing as relationship game problems with Plate #3 and your former BPD chick. There is a thing: a person can not be both assertive and anxious about that at the same time, and thus being assertive would inhibit anxiety. Blue Pill tendencies that you have not completely purged are giving you tinges of anxiety, because they were so pervasive and indoctrinated in… Read more »

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@Ian, Rollo: this may be my inexperience, but why would Vasalgel be such a game changer given that there is already cheap access to condoms? I can see the “covert” aspect of it is different, but to be fair women already can’t know if you have a vasectomy. Also, for spinning plates etc. with all the carousel activity going on by nearly all HBs, I think it would be very unwise to not use condoms for their STD prevention, beyond the birth control aspect of Vasalgel. Is it because men can get swept up in the moment and not put… Read more »

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If you had Vasalgel implanted would you want to buy a microscope and cum onto a slide every once in a while to make sure it’s still working?

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@walawala “Back to the Angela Jolie/Brad Pitt break up, what stands out for me in that story is the demonization of Pitt for “doing what dudes do”.” This is my point about legal marriage and promising monogamy. The things that, in the OMG’s day, would have been accepted or viewed as masculine traits etc, are now viewed as “evil”. So their kids are chaotic all over the house and Brad yells to get their attention and whoops, now he’s a child abuser and potential danger, and EVERYONE will agree on it and not even listen to his side or give… Read more »

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Yareally lol so those “mostly young guys with no assets and who’s wife makes the same or more than they do” are getting custody over their ex-wife are they? The family courts are like “well we have this wife of yours who’s their biological mother and makes more money than you and you don’t have any assets and don’t make money…SURE WE’LL GIVE YOU THE KIDS, DUDE!” Fantasy world shit lol And if those guys aren’t getting the kids, which they’re not, then there was no benefit to their getting legally married. Yeah you go all DIVORCE RAPE! then forget… Read more »

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Any single one of the guys saying Pitt was never alpha and it was all in his roles, if they saw a guy infield interacting with a girl the way he does in that Mrs & Mrs Smith press interview I posted above where he’s teasing her and self-depreciating etc etc would be going “THAT guy is alpha and has some fuckin GAME, look at that shit” Anyone saying that if Culum or Hank or Softek pulled out an FR that read like Pitt teasing Jolie in that interview, we wouldn’t all be applauding their ass, is full of shit… Read more »

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“How COULD he know better, no one taught him how to.” You didn’t learn that fire burns when your mother told you not to touch the fire. You learned that fire burns when you stuck your finger in the pretty flame. “What ways can you think of that you could test a girl for whether she takes directions or not or is willing to be led or not . . .” Give her directions and lead her. “where were you guys when I was suggesting SJF might have UMC goggles on. . .” Eyes Wide Shut was fiction, but not… Read more »

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Anonymous Reader “Perfect. In fact, I can see the Navy as the first testbed for mandatory Vasalgel, thanks to putting women on subs and ships. “It’s required for the deployment, sailor”.” http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/us-sailor-birth-at-sea-persian-gulf/ YaReally “That’s why I’m pushing so hard on the monogamy is dead marriage is dead thing.” https://youtu.be/IbSG9eTpbNE SJF “I: You have the right to judge your own behavior, thoughts, and emotions, and to take the responsibility for their initiation and consequences upon yourself.” While ultimately these are solid points, and both books you mention could be good for developing mindset, I think it’s more productive for men to… Read more »

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“Why would he choose these 30YO women for monogamous relationships and not the hot tight <25YO 10s??? To say nothing of the millions of 7,8,9's he could have chosen from?"

If Brad would have married a rando <25YO 10 in 2000, she would be overweight with half his money by now. You can talk about screening but incentives are also important and movie stars stay hot and have their own money. Plus, they probably are more interesting than a random hot girl.

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@Sentient “Why would he choose these 30YO women for monogamous relationships and not the hot tight <25YO 10s???" Well, to me it looks more like social conditioning tbh. Outside of the redpill/pua crowd, do you really know many guys, even super alpha, who purposefully go after hot chicks 10years their junior, when they themselves are entering their 30s? They do it because "it's the right thing to do", and in the mainstream there are NO alternatives, unless you build your identity around being a 100% player like DiCaprio. Pitt probably is into being a family/stable guy, so he did the… Read more »

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SFER

“If Brad would have married a rando <25YO 10 in 2000, she would be overweight with half his money by now"

Take "Brad" out of that sentence and put in "a beta" and you get the same outcome…

"You can talk about screening but incentives are also important and movie stars stay hot…"

Screening is vital. And incentives are important… you can be and act alpha and that alone will provide her an incentive to stay hot… No KJ’ing here…

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When I say “they do it” I mean getting in an LTR with an “age appropriate” chick

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Klem some good points… I suggest that Brad is the typical guy for who marriage was “filling a void” that Rollo writes about… and yes BP conditioned… but this “Look at all those redpill buzzwords lol. Don’t you see that this sentence makes ZERO sense for someone who is not into this kind of stuff… Look at all those redpill buzzwords lol. Don’t you see that this sentence makes ZERO sense for someone who is not into this kind of stuff” This is NOT some super secret society new stuff… this was lore of old… What would your great grandfather… Read more »

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Some thoughts here. When I was in the military, I knew many “married” couples who got hitched purely for the military housing and financial benefits. The guy and girl came to a business understanding that the marriage was only for the financial benefits, and sex was fair game both inside and outside the marriage. Mercenary though that may sound, those were the longest lasting marriages on post. The relevance – a modern man in 2016 almost has to view his marriage as a business proposition first and a relationship second. Kids? Doesn’t matter. Family stability? Doesn’t matter to the women.… Read more »

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” . . . a fat guy eating whole grains muesli for breakfast is . . .”

. . . religious. It’s a religion circa 10,000 years old, but it was given a major boost by nutballs like Graham, White and Kellogg.

It’s a pretty hard sell when you try to point out to an atheist that they are following the Seventh Day Adventist dogma. There’s a lot of solid folk knowledge out there, but scraping the religion out of it isn’t always easy.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015003234419;view=1up;seq=7

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WD

“a modern man in 2016 almost has to view his marriage as a business proposition first and a relationship second.”

Hmmm seems like what is happening in ‘subcultures” right? UMC/Religious, Hindi arranged marriages etc…

Just like the old days…

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Vasagel will definitely have an impact on M/F relationships, because it gives men control over their own reproductive future and takes back that leverage that women currently own, lock stock and barrel. Right now the right to be a parent is solely a women’s issue, because as a man whether you want to or not be one is immaterial compared to her wishes. Vasagel would give men a solid vote over the who, what, where and why, plus a lock over paternity issues. Because of that, I can see the FDA blocking this for years to come, regardless of the… Read more »

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@Sentient

“This is NOT some super secret society new stuff… this was lore of old…”

I would argue that TODAY it is super secret society stuff!

I don’t even disagree with you regarding the old books, there might be some truth in them, but what interests me is to take this these truths, and add stuff that is relevant in 2016, in order for guys to maximize their happiness within their relationships.

Since the current model clearly does not work, but the old stuff is also largely inapplicable today, because of the changes Yareally highlighted (social media, women working, feminism etc.).

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I believe the human race is doomed because the post modern social milieu teaches women to be unfit mothers. The hand that strangles the baby in its cradle destroys the world.

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@kfg: Very hilarious. The Battlestar Galactica painting seems to have a couple of tipplers depicted. Must be mead rather than beer.

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@ Ya “Like, to me a Cluster B is just a normal girl with no behavior filter really” Needs to be clarified here that BPD is a medical condition, and is not the same as the entitlement and careless lifestyles >25yo girls are being conditioned into these days. It also poses problems for up and coming RP men, IMO, because their behaviors are so extreme that they can deceive you into thinking you’re very high value, and regarded as Alpha, when in reality it’s their EXTREME abandonment issues that are making them grovel to you and “defer” to you. It… Read more »

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Lol.

Some things never ever change.

To throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water would be an enormous miscalculation.

Use what works.

There are numerous things about the female that can never change.

Even in 2016, believe it or not.

Don’t look for crutches.

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“If attempting suicide is on her Rolodex, that’s when you know there’s a problem that goes beyond Hypergamy/Alpha/Beta.”

But what YOU do still matters… what have you done to exit this relationship? Is that inaction alpha or beta?

Come on man…

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“BPD’s do not register Alpha or Beta . . .”

It’s God or Devil, in binary. There is no spectrum between and they will switch from to the other in an instant.

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I’m interested to see what happens with Vasalgel as far as marketing goes, whether it gets blocked indefinitely, or what. That should be pretty telling about the FI response to it, and awareness of the potential effects it could have if it hit the market. The cultural relevance of simply HAVING something like Vasalgel would be huge. It’s a bold statement if nothing else. Alphas prone to fucking raw would now have an option to get a quick procedure done and then have the (probably minimal) anxiety they had about fucking raw go away. While simultaneously removing power from the… Read more »

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@ kfg “It’s God or Devil, in binary. There is no spectrum between and they will switch from to the other in an instant.” Yep. @ Sentient If she hadn’t tried to actually kill herself it wouldn’t feel this complicated. Rollo asked before what it would take for me to leave, like her fucking another guy. Honestly I haven’t had any remote concern about that happening, and at the forefront my biggest fear is that if I walk she will commit suicide. It doesn’t help that she’s actually made attempts before, like having had to have her stomach pumped at… Read more »

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Great essay. However, men have been able to get a vasectomy for years now. Even with that relatively minor procedure (as compared to open heart surgery) the FI and social conditioning still progressed to the point we are currently at today. So, my question is can a male birth control really swing a bit of momentum towards the Male sexual agenda?

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“I feel like I’d be able to walk comfortably as long as I knew she wasn’t going to kill herself ”

Just remember you chose not to walk away long before the suicide attempt… you keep digging a deeper hole by waiting around…

When would it be better to leave – after the second, third, fourth or fifth attempt?

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@ Sentient You’re right. Same lessons to learn with business and Game. Ultimately it boils down to Beta passivity vs. Alpha assertiveness. Just started reading that book today, hoping I’ll find some techniques that can help me. Scrib also mentioned Mystery Method and I’ve been reading that too. As much as I hate to admit it there’s still the core fear that I won’t be able to attract another girl. I like Mystery’s writing style a lot and how objective he is, as I tend to attach personal feelings to rejection instead of just seeing it as a lack of… Read more »

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For those wishing to see what a real Hollywood alpha looks and acts like, here is an exposition by Robert Mitchum… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrMgZpwKF3k Part 1 he tells the secret of a 30 year marriage, but worth catching the whole interview, even this late in his career… Now how might his early life have shaped his mental state? Throughout Mitchum’s childhood, he was known as a prankster, often involved in fistfights and mischief. When he was 12, his mother sent Mitchum to live with his grandparents in Felton, Delaware, where he was promptly expelled from his middle school for scuffling with the… Read more »

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@sentient Game is still just mimicry of alpha quality, it is not of itself representative of authentic alpha. It is a simulacrum. It can and does fool women, and men (as demonstrated here) as well (paper alpha). But in the end if you do not develop actual authentic Alpha traits, your inner beta will out, the mask slips, poor choices made and consequences suffered… I agree with this but with some clarifying points that I think you’d agree with. GAME, as we think of it, relating to routines, etc. stacks, and whatnot is just another form of faking it til… Read more »

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There is good game and bad game.

There is conscious game and unconscious game.

But it’s all the games people play.

You cannot not game.

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Scray “TO ME, that type of ‘game’ is just a way to GET YOUR FOOT IN THE DOOR for starting to live an authentic, passionate, awesome life with women” Nice. amen and amen… and slip dynamic in there why don’t ya… And this “while she was older (32), she was also still pretty f-in hot….(I’d say almost a 9 despite the age)” Yup. There are very, very hot early 30’s women. If someone is going on about only 20YO’s etc. they do not get out that much or they are pretty young or a combo of the two. And like… Read more »

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YaReally Sentient HABD Scray Hank Tom and PUA guys So a quieter evening out Wednesday – what I think of as “Sentient-style” game. I had to attend a work networking drinks event thing anyway, in a suit so I decided to check out some of the classier old-school hotel bars nearby. This was a different part of town – not the usual trendier hotel bars I go to – this is some older more traditional high end places. It was a good vibe and good to get to know new places but it involved a lot of scanning venues and… Read more »

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Interesting
http://www.pornhub.com/insights/

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Scray etc.

Here you go… how experience and living translate into exceptional game…

This is how you do a shaggy dog story, complete with pauses and all the body language… and authentic as well…

https://youtu.be/zGnfsFp2jSs?t=236

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starts at 4:00

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@sentient Yeah, I’d say that it’s still ‘game’ but it’s just where one is at on their journey in the game. There are no shortcuts…you’re going to have to grow into the person you pretend you are at the beginning. Yup. There are very, very hot early 30’s women. Yeah, the ones who take care of themselves can look really good. I personally think that women look their best probably between 25-30 because a lot of them pick up good habits — gym, eating right, better makeup, etc. — and are also still pretty young. They’re probably at their natural… Read more »

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You cannot escape hypergamy… Or Game… Or life…

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Culum Good stuff… On the birthday girl, you know you can give her a kiss right? If you are alone just say you are out to see what happens, good chance to join their party a bit. IT IS OK TO BE OUT ALONE. You describe my regular haunts well… LOL “I’m not even sure why – I could just feel it. ” So you are becoming sentient then….? ” We had a brief chat and I made her laugh for like a minute and then her cab came and she had to go” Logistics! “What are you up to?”… Read more »

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Needs to be clarified here that BPD is a medical condition, and is not the same as the entitlement and careless lifestyles >25yo girls are being conditioned into these days. Well, hmm. Let’s drag out the copy of Biology of Desire from last year’s threads and recall a few things. Like, hmm, addiction isn’t a choice per se, but it’s also not a disease either. It’s a combination of the inborn desire for dopamine hits with an efficient means of getting that dopamine. The brain activity in “being in love” isn’t all that different from brain activity “being addicted”. Still… Read more »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t-konY4cHE
He was one of the best…

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Softek I feel like I’d be able to walk comfortably as long as I knew she wasn’t going to kill herself and would be able to move on with her life. Then you are hostage to her feelings. How many years of being held hostage do you think you can stand? Do you want to look back 10 years from now and say, “What did I do with that decade, besides dance like a monkey every time she had badfeelz”? If she gets pregnant, you will be tied to her for 20 years. No question. How many years do you… Read more »

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“BPD is a collection of behavors. It’s almost entirely found in women. Some women may be BPD from birth, others are surely conditioned that way.” Just to be different, I’m going to be the same, that is to go with the dominant hypothesis. The collection of BPD behaviours very closely match the behaviours of a short, but important developmental stage that occurs at age 6, when one moves from a purely childish perspective and begins developing as an adult. A chief feature of this stage is black & white thinking. So whatever causes it happens while they are in that… Read more »

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“… and hipsters think they invented these tattoos…”

Hipsters think being able use Twitter on a phone makes them technologists.

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@Sentient “Yeah you go all DIVORCE RAPE! then forget about custody issues… then when the absence of DIVORCE RAPE! is pointed out you go back to custody issues…” I’ve never forgotten about custody issues. But custody issues come with having a kid, so a guy can’t prevent the possibility of having to deal with them. Divorce-rape however, is entirely preventable, by not getting married. “The rest are BP and beta to the core.” lol ok there. Today I learned alphas only do a very specific set of jobs, please provide us all with a list of jobs that are Sentient… Read more »

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Gamma King – Act 1 Scene 1

Yareally enters stage left: ” “…

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You really have trouble fitting things into your narrative… getting odd.

Like why a “super Alpha” like Brad Pitt would choose to be monogamous with a series of 30 YO women who according to you “come with a shitload of baggage that isn’t worth dealing with most of the time”… ?

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kfg on BPD It isn’t simply a matter of conditioning, it is, in its way, actual brain damage. Or perhaps mind damage would be more accurate. It is likely tied to a traumatic daddy issue, which is why it would be so prevalent in females. A daddy being divorced (or even simply being away at a critical moment) from an abusive mother is an obvious possible source of the trauma. Well, interesting hypothesis, and it could be tested. If anyone with funding really wanted to know, that is. Thinking as I type. The ‘itch’ to monkey branch certainly seems to… Read more »

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Hipsters think being able use Twitter on a phone makes them technologists.

Hey, they can use Tinder and Grindr too, while playing Candy Crush, so there!

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“But how did you learn that falling from a 50 story building would kill you?” By the time I was 5 I had amassed a great deal of experience in falling from things. “How did you learn not to stick your hand in a garbage disposal?” I’m not sure I have. Adults stick their hands in garbage disposals, snowblowers, lawn mowers and bandsaws all the time. Go talk to an ER doc. He’s got stories. I do, however, have scars on my hands to help remind me to be cautious around sharp, pointy things. Especially if they make great whirring… Read more »

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It was nice knowing you Brad: http://www.tmz.com/2016/09/22/brad-pitt-child-abuse-investigation/ What are the odds that a AAA celebrity power-couple like that, has an incident like that, and NO ONE mentions it on social media? Not a single person on the flight, staff, the guy who’s truck Pitt tried to steal when he “even tried leaving in one of the fuel trucks”, NOBODY is like “hey so uhhh, Brad Pitt just tried to steal my truck #WackyWednesday”? VS him maybe raising his voice southern-values style to some misbehaving kids parented by a chick who doesn’t believe in “tough” parenting (aka probably lets them do… Read more »

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@Sentient
“Like why a “super Alpha” like Brad Pitt would choose to be monogamous with a series of 30 YO women who according to you “come with a shitload of baggage that isn’t worth dealing with most of the time”… ?”

How many times do I have to cut and paste “Because he was socially conditioned with good ol’ religious values that told him monogamy was the secret to happiness and a wife and family and that NAWALT. Whoops, guess someone should’ve told him the truth.” before you actually read it?

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Sentient “Like why a “super Alpha” like Brad Pitt would choose to be monogamous with a series of 30 YO women” Because in mainstream society that’s what you do if you want to have kids/a family. It’s not really socially acceptable to for a 30+yo dude to find a hot 22yo and knock her up. ESPECIALLY when you are one of the most famous guy in the planet and everyone is watching every second of your private life. I think Yareally’s point is that in the context of an LTR, given what we know about hypergamy, dread game etc. Brad… Read more »

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@kfg
“By the time I was 5 I had amassed a great deal of experience in falling from things.”

You haven’t fallen from 50 stories, it might not kill you, you don’t know for sure. Have you been eaten by a lion yet? Maybe it won’t hurt you, you don’t know.

Or you can make educated guesses based on what you’re taught. I can’t believe I have to actually justify “teaching people things gives them knowledge to base decisions on” lol

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@Klem
“I dunno, this seems like a pretty logical conclusion to me”

You’re the only thing keeping me from jumping off a 50 foot story building to find out if it’ll kill me sometimes. I can’t believe some of the things I have to explain here and how far people can miss the point some days lol

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@Rollo “Brad was fucked from the moment they hooked up. She is a textbook BPD.” Agreed. But all the more reason we should teach guys to screen girls faster (so they aren’t “hooked” before they see the red flags) and to not believe that monogamy or legal marriage will change things. Cause right now social conditioning is convincing lambs to walk to the slaughter. We have the ability to try to fix that but it’ll take actual pro-active work to provide resources to teach men, which starts with discussions instead of debating semantics and brushing off anything that doesn’t fit… Read more »

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Like why DOESN’T Brad know how to screen her? He grew up with those thousand year old books that told him all this shit. Where is the disconnect between that and what actually happens in execution? “Oh he’s just a beta chode because he chose acting as a profession” isn’t a good enough answer, that’s just slippery slope shit into “Gene Simmons wasn’t alpha because musicians just want attention” etc etc It’s just muddying the waters instead of actually discussing why a guy like Brad Pitt ISN’T going for the <25yo 8+/10s and how he can keep them long-term and… Read more »

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Rollo Brad was fucked from the moment they hooked up. She is a textbook BPD. Bear in mind that is from wikipedia. So it’s most likely been sanded on a bit, to present her in the best light possible. This is her best side… Her manjaw would also be a warning sign, to a man who knew what that meant in the context of an LTR / marriage. This is playing out as a classic example of a man entering what he believes to be marriage 1.0 by the old set of books, only to find out that it’s actually… Read more »

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Klem “But even Brad Pitt could not make a monoLTR work in 2016.” This is the big lie… why I’ve even posted on this because this is Yareally’s FI empowering narrative. A false one. Please tell me what “society” conditioned Brad Pitt to cheat on and leave America’s Most Babyless Sweetheart with a BPD alpha widow single mom? Point to some HuffPo articles or Cosmo or something that want married men to cheat on their 30YO wives and go live with single women. Any? Or can we just take Brad’s word on the topic: “‘A guy who felt he grew… Read more »

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Like why a “super Alpha” like Brad Pitt would choose to be monogamous with a series of 30 YO women…

Irony. Pure irony.

He did what he was told to do. Just like SJF. Just like you.

And if he’d been banging strippers while out of town, when Jolie found out about it and filed papers, the family court system wouldn’t like him very much when it came time to figure out child support and custody.

Just pointing out the obvious.

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Angelina Jolie is the Liz Taylor of this generation.

Think so? Wow, standards have clearly slipped.
Jolie is about to become another Hollywood “mom” who is basically “married” to her children. As with many other divorcees her age, the men she wants will no longer want her, the men who will want her won’t be men she wants.

It’ll be “my kidz!” all the way down.

In which case she should practice saying, “Ready for my close up, Mr. DeMille!”

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Yareally “Like why DOESN’T Brad know how to screen her?” LOL.. He does, no thanks to you BTW. But the “we love sluts” narrative and his own weakness blinded him… Guarantee you that people close to him said don’t get serious with that girl. Question 1 – How many linear feet of cock has entered into your vagina? For the purposes of this interrogatory only the length of penis upon initial entry will be measured, not subsequent thrusts, or reentries during the same sexual encounter. Do you have grandparents? Are they still married? You might start your screening questions there… Read more »

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“You haven’t fallen from 50 stories, it might not kill you, you don’t know for sure.” That is correct. The current record for surviving a fall is 33,333 ft, although it was inside the tail section of a plane. The previous record, I recall it being something like 22,000 ft. (not sure where my old edition Guinness Book is), was done after bailing out of the plane with a defective ‘chute. “Have you been eaten by a lion yet?” Not all the way. It still hurt. I’ve probably also lost my pound of flesh to critters that didn’t outweigh me.… Read more »

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“It is likely tied to a traumatic daddy issue, which is why it would be so prevalent in females.

A daddy being divorced (or even simply being away at a critical moment) from an abusive mother is an obvious possible source of the trauma.”

That lines up with my experience with a BPD. Daddy abandonment.

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Anonymous Reader.

So you know what I was told to do? Do go on?

But i see you agree that Brad is not an Alpha based on your response…

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“I can’t believe some of the things I have to explain here and how far people can miss the point some days lol”

Tell me about it.

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@Anonymous Reader “This is playing out as a classic example of a man entering what he believes to be marriage 1.0 by the old set of books, only to find out that it’s actually 2.0 by the second set of books. Oh, and he’s rich. So by definition he and Jolie are beyond the mere UMC, they are stratospheric UC. Yet something bad has happened. My, my, my. Very relevant.” This. We have here a bible-raised UMC religious guy (since all UMC religious flyover state guys are badass alphas he can’t possibly be beta around women, social conditioning doesn’t affect… Read more »

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For anyone reading along who hasn’t already done a search:

https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/dsm-5-the-ten-personality-disorders-cluster-b/

Stating the obvious:
Cluster-b is to be avoided.

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On Hand and LTR’s. So twice Angie gets her groom’s blood on her… but NOT for Brad.

That says it all right there…

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So, how many pages will the Brad Pitt arguments go? Lmao. The FACT is, we can see from Brad’s questionable actions that his ” alphaness ” is highly, highly questionable. Then we can see from his WORDS in that interview, that his BLUE PILL ideology was indeed in full effect. And, none of us, NOT ONE, actually know shit about how he was raised and if he was subjected to social conditioning that led him down any particular path. Was he socially conditioned to sit on a couch and do drugs? Who the fuck knows. I chuckle at commenters with… Read more »

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Once guys have something like Vasalgel they’re all gonna go condomless (’cause girls rarely want to use condoms with high-value guys anyway despite what the media would have you believe) and STD rates will skyrocket, esp since the 80/20 will increase to 90/10 and beyond so girls will all be fucking the same dudes while the rest are checked out into VR worlds like the Grasseaters. Care to explain? It doesn’t seem plausible. Realistically speaking, even if Vasalgel becomes legally accessible at a reasonable price, only a small minority of men will bother to use it – mostly well-off, high-status,… Read more »

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@Hollenhund
“I highly doubt they’ll all go condomless with random sluts who they know have a reasonably high chance of being infected.”

A shitload of them go condomless NOW even when they can be infected AND get them pregnant lol

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“I chuckle at commenters with their Brad worship. *chuckle*”

It’s not worship. He’s objectively successful in a shitload of categories, the only real flaw he had was he was misled that the woman he was marrying would magically change because “marriage” (the thing you said, about how it’s “different” somehow and magically changes things, aka his social conditioning around it) and believed commitment/monogamy would help with that, which is FI-based conditioning.

So he’s a relevant example of what we’ve been trying to explain for weeks now.

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My own poisonal view is I’ll take an interest in Mr. and Mrs. Fight Club when they start taking an interest in me, esp. gifting me some of their green green grass of Bitcoin… But ya ya, I was taken by the statement in the TMZZZ story that she was upset over his “different parenting style” to hers as a reason to go all Bolt-A-Drome. Meaning: he was trying to be the DAD. And a DAD is not a MOM. Which these days is strike four. Chinese parent expert say: NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Because (and I dare someone to ask… Read more »

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“Was that YOU falling out with the chute? No? Well then you can’t know, by your logic.” Not logic. Fact. You do realize that you are now making Sentient’s argument for marriage, right? “Oh, and he’s rich. So by definition he and Jolie are beyond the mere UMC, they are stratospheric UC.” Actors are outliers in the conventional class system, however, his 144 mil net worth, most of which he had to work for, is within the bounds of the UMC. Not even close to stratospheric. Most of the people in the stratospheric don’t get their names in the papers.… Read more »

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Blaximus I chuckle at commenters with their Brad worship. *chuckle* You reading your own private internet again? I can’t see it. Show me? Looks like “failure analysis” to me, along with “is Beta” “is not!”. C’mon, if you went over to some other man’s garage and he had a small block V-8 pulled out that had thrown a rod, wouldn’t you ask “How did THAT happen? Over-revved? Bad bearing? What?”. Damage assessment / failure analysis. Not “engine worship”. Pro Tip- If you never look for women or men to idolize, you will never be disappointed. Cosign. The religous people are… Read more »

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