Two Guitars

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Recently, I’ve been very busy with more than a few business projects. ‘Success Coaches’ always tell you to develop passive forms of income in addition to whatever it is you consider your vocation, but I have an odd habit of turning my past “vocations” into passive forms of income as I move on to my next project.

Then I’ve had the audiobook of The Rational Male as a front-burner project for my leisure time along with doing re-edits of the first printed book (new, better-edited, bigger font edition coming soon) and then there’s the first draft of the third book I’m picking away at.

In between all of that I’ve been doing my best to stay on top of the comment threads for the essays I’m writing. Among these, for the past 6 or 7 months has been the saga of a commenter who goes by Softek. While I haven’t been able to keep abreast of all his comments and the exceptional advice of fellow Rational readers, I’m going to take a moment now to address his situation because it serves as an example, and perhaps a warning, to Red Pill aware men who come into a new awakened understanding of intergender dynamics and fall prey to some of the pitfalls inherent in unplugging themselves from their prior illusions.

I’ve followed Softek’s unplugging and his increased confidence from a thoroughly Blue Pill conditioned guy to something approaching Alpha confidence. Whether this is beginning to stick and becoming an internalized part of who Softek is as a man, I’ll let him say, but recently he’s been dealing with some of the fallout that comes from being caught up in what I went through in Dream Girls and Children with Dynamite.

Another very common occurrence is the “reformed” AFC who makes progress toward becoming more Game savvy, and as a result gets his “dream girl”, only to lose her after reverting back into an AFC frame once he’s in an LTR with her. I’m not a big Ross Jefferies fan, but he did say something very profound once, he said “teaching PUA skills to these chumps is like giving dynamite to children.” This is probably truer than he realized, because the potential for disaster is much higher. Most guys want that silver bullet, the magic formula that will get them the girl, but it does nothing to prepare them for the idyllic LTR their beta nature has fantasized about for so very long. They don’t become Men, they become children with dynamite. So are we really surprised when the guy who finally gets his Dream Girl as a result of learning Game becomes despondent and suicidal when he loses the “best thing he’ll ever have” when she leaves him? Are we shocked when his ONEitis turns out to be a BPD girl and his life’s ambitions fall into a death-spiral because he was unprepared to deal with a post-Game LTR?

Now, I’m not suggesting that Softek is despondent or suicidal in his present position. In fact, likely not because he’s got a base of support on this blog and in the manosphere at large to coach him through it. I’ll let him outline his situation in the comment thread for this post, however, Softek’s situation of getting wrapped up in a yo-yo clingy BPD relationship reminded me of a story I’m not very proud to relate, but in the interests of other guys in a similar situation I’ll explain it.

The Price of a BPD

Towards the end of my relationship with my own BPD there came a point when I attempted to make it work with her as a long distance relationship (LDR). This was really the last nail in the coffin for us. I knew damn well she was ‘cheating’ on me while I blithely convinced myself I would eventually get her to move another state away to join me so I could continue wallowing in her neurotic psychological abuse of me.

I’m happy to say that never happened, but it came at a cost. At one point during the LDR I had to make a decision in order to find a way to drive over a state to see her college graduation. I’d already had my (correct) suspicions she was fucking a guy from one of her classes, but I wasn’t entirely sure. You’ve got to understand that as a BPD she’d already had me ‘converted’ to accept her frame as the dominant one. And as pathetic as it’ll sound, I was still her thrall and blamed myself for her neurosis even as I lived 800 miles away.

People love to cast me as some life-long Alpha, but I’ve been Beta, a natural Alpha, and during this period of my life I was approaching Omega (by Vox’s definitions). If there’s a bright side, it was that the bit I’m about to relate to you was the catalyst in my turning my life around to be a ‘lesser Alpha’ in a permanent way.

I had already been brought low. In her neurotic jealousy, she insisted that I toss out a photo album of all the times I’d been on stage in my Hollywood days and essentially destroy the memories of friends and events I had archived of that time. It was like losing part of my soul, but I did so because I thought she was right; I was convinced anything that came before her that I’d done was the source of her distempers.

You might think that was bad, but in order for me to go to her graduation – the time she intentionally had me discover her fucking this guy – I had to pay for that horrible experience by selling off two very expensive guitars. I won’t tell you the brand, but they were a 12 and a 6 string acoustic that was priceless to me. Even the guy I sold them to asked me if I was sure I wanted to part with them, he could tell I didn’t.

But I did sell them, for $800. Now they’d be worth around $4,000, but it’s not the dollar value I regret the most, it was voluntarily cutting off a limb from myself for the privilege of learning exactly how fucked up this person was. The only time I’ve ever snapped with Mrs. Tomassi was her casually suggesting I might sell off a guitar from my present collection. She knew there was something more to it and I’ve never silenced her with more seriousness.

I have one post outlining Borderline Personality Disorder and I feel like it’s all I really needed to post about it. There was a time in my life when I was completely in the dark about anything like it, so when I first discovered it in the DSM while studying psych it literally sent chills down my spine.

After this traumatic experience, I came to realize that while all the women I’d been convinced and conditioned to believe were my duty to be supportive of were banging other men and earning degrees, my life was paralyzed. Now, in hindsight, I can see that my beating myself up over being stalled in life because of my Blue Pill conditioning was misplaced. ONEitis will do that to you, but when you combine it with a BPD it takes a trauma to wake you up – either that or you swallow a bullet or put a rope around your neck.

On the BPD comment thread, there’s a sobering account of another man’s experience with a BPD woman. I’ll quote it here, but virtually every experience I’ve had men relate to me about a BPD is a frighteningly similar story.

From Hugh:

So, to start, I discovered that my ex was having an affair, revolving around a “church based canoe group”. Initially, I began questioning and blaming myself, telling her that we needed to work it out. I spoke to a professional seeking support and answers, who somehow got her in to see him.

He reported to me that he diagnosed her with Borderline Personality Disorder, and that I had some major choices to make, as she rejected his diagnosis and any thought of treatment. He advised that she would never change without help, and that what she did had little to do with me or the children – it was all about her.

I initially failed to understand, and tried to reconcile. Over the next few months she promised to try, and even started going to church.

But, little-by-little she revealed how this had begun, first with lesbian affairs with coworkers, then eventually, when I bought her a new car, but declined to take a car maintenance class with her – she slept with the mechanic giving the class. I learned of more in rapid succession, of affairs, one night stands, and worse over a 7 year period. She was in the medical field and used the cover of being on call,being in surgery, working extra for a dentist, going to medical conferences, etc, etc.(I could comment on my opinion of medical morals, but ’nuff said) I recalled an occasion when I got overwhelmingly sleepy after consuming a soft drink at a movie with the ex. I realize now that she drugged me. She also infected me twice with STDs, telling me she had a yeast infection. She put antibiotic in my food unknown to me. My children later reported to me, when asked, that whoever I was out of town, the ex was “always” gone to the hospital at night “on call”.

The gross details aren’t necessary, but the revelations shook me back to reality. (disgusting, degrading, and sick are better terms even than gross)

She began trying to convince me to sell our house and move. Now awake, I realized that she wanted her share and would dump the children on the street and force a move to a new neighborhood. I had recently pulled her off the chest of our 11 year old son when she tried to strangle him for begging her not to leave him – so I wasn’t exactly fooled by her house sale drive. I resolved that my children needed to have the support of friends and family, and not be moved out of their home and away from friends. How I would do this came to me eventually – wait long enough and she would find another prince, but couldn’t hide it easily, and would have to leave.

I had been contacted by the wife of her latest affair, a physician whom she had recommended me to for minor surgery.(Roll that around for a second). She and I had quite a conversation, during which I learned that he had “done this before with his office nurse, and she had attempted suicide when he dumped her – possibly for my wife”. I advised her to seek professional medical and legal council, but also delivered an explicit warning concerning what I would do if I ever saw her husband in public.

The next day the ex came home late from work, crying and just glaring at me (a Thursday BTW – a favorite day for medical professionals at some hospitals to play, as it offers the cover for some surgeons who “have surgery that day”.) The next day, after meeting with her surgeon friend again, she proceeded to drive her car right in front of an oncoming truck, suffering broken ribs. I rushed to the hospital, told she was being X-rayed and that I should go to the room she was assigned. I did so and in rearranging the pillows on the bed, found a hand written note from a “friend” indicating they would be by later. I didn’t stay long after she got to the room.

Well, we bought her a new truck, and about 3 weeks later, she called to inform me that she was taking our motor home on a canoe trip that afternoon, and when she returned, she was “leaving the family”. She asked our teenaged daughter to drop her off, and my daughter called me, appalled, that the canoe trip was my ex and 4 men. My daughter said she threw gravel “all over them” with her rapid departure.

She never said anything to the children, but shortly after informed me that she was leaving that afternoon. She got friends to help her move and was gone when my dad and I returned from picking up the kids at school golf team practice.

The judge at the divorce hearing classified her as having abandoned the family and offered to impose child support payments on her – which I declined, in an attempt to cut all ties.

That was 31 years ago, and we had absolutely no contact with her until Dec 24, when a scribbled note, from some tiny town in East Texas arrived, stating that she had breast cancer, and I should take “appropriate measures concerning the children”.

I can’t imagine that she thinks any of us care!

So, that’s my early life’s scary story – though I left the horror story parts out!

Be safe, there are really monsters in the world!

Hugh

P S – My 2 older children are college educated,very successful professional people with families and children. I remarried a spectacular woman a few years after, the true savior of our lives, and have a third child, who is a Nurse Practitioner, and who also has 2 children.(I have advised her about morals in the medical field particularly).

Softek, the reason I’m dedicating an entire post (and hopefully an on-topic comment thread) about this is because, in my estimate, you’re in both a more precarious, yet potentially more hopeful, position than guys who’ve dealt with what you are now. My concern is that your Red Pill awareness and basic Game skills have brought you a dangerous woman. It’s the kids with dynamite dynamic I’m seeing unfold.

The good news is you have a solid community of men ready to help you with this, most of whom have some experience with toxic women. I’ve seen too many men learn Game or adopt an abundance frame, but still cling to the hope that they can fulfill a Blue Pill ideal with their Red Pill awareness. Women like the one you’re involved with will believe your Alpha frame, but when you shift or backslide into Blue Pill idealism they’re either disgusted with a man, or they see him as potential prey – and often are oblivious to their own interpretations of why they do.

I’d like to open up the commentary here for men to relate their experiences of dealing with BPD women and/or offer something for Softek. I realize there are a lot of well-meaning guys who think that BPD is overestimated in the ‘sphere, and while I can appreciate that, I think it speaks volumes that women can so regularly be confused with the signs of BPD today as to make that estimate. For my outline have a read of Borderline Personality Disorder first.

 

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YaReally
5 years ago

@Softek “…and yet, with people in my life that the same role is being played out with, I’ll keep playing along, and reacting to them. Even though the basis for that reaction is experiences I had with my parents that I am no longer “bothered” by (consciously).” If you accepted that what your GF is doing is wrong, then you would be forced to accept that what your family did was wrong too. By staying with your GF and normalizing it and convincing yourself it’s not that bad, your parents aren’t that bad and then you don’t have to admit… Read more »

M Simon
5 years ago

scray
May 27th, 2016 at 11:30 am

I was a contractor. The premium was built in. The usual in business is that an employee must be worth 2X what you pay them. I liked being worth 10x. I got more jobs and I moved up regularly.

People called me back (in one case 10 years later) for more. And they paid more the 2nd time.

In business the difference between the worst performers and the best is about 10X. The best get paid 2X. Facts of life.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Andy – Malpractice is a real thing…

scray
scray
5 years ago

@sentient ‘ you would stand taller without the chip on your shoulder… LOL’ looking out for number one is a chip? lulz you can call it a chip — idgaf wat you call it, i call it pay me or i walk. and write it down, IYP. ‘you better have that year of S A L A R Y in hand already… because what was promised is not what is always delivered…’ lol oh did i not get this stuff in writing? lol that’d be a rookie fucking mistake that my ‘chip’ would never have allowed me to make. sorry… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Softek “I think my biggest problem isn’t that these things happened, but that I haven’t fully accepted that they were WRONG.” If you can make it work with her and stay through it and find some way to be happy in that relationship, then your parents were never abusive, instead of that’s just “how love works” and you can finally vindicate your reluctance to accept that they were abusive because hey man, that’s just how love works, maybe not for YOU guys but for ME that’s how it works, I’m a special snowflake and my relationships are just different. The… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scray

“did i not get this stuff in writing? lol that’d be a rookie fucking mistake that my ‘chip’ would never have allowed me to make. sorry if you’ve made it, tho.”

You’re just showing your immaturity now… Contracts are made to be broken, as are those who believe in them.

Run along…

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ SJF The book on stealing and giving energy has been pretty enlightening so far, and seems to touch a lot on the issue I just brought up of recognizing mistreatment, or more simply, things people do that drain your energy instead of build it up. I think that’s the best way to approach thinking about these things, thanks again for sharing. @ scray Not being like 90% of people is a good start. There’s a lot of misery. Plenty to go around. I need to think of it like that. Someone hands you a shit sandwich. It’s their favorite.… Read more »

M Simon
5 years ago

Softek
May 27th, 2016 at 11:33 am

The best way to solve the problem of a bad past is to not have a past. The LTR was often annoyed with me at the beginning when she would ask about my past and I would reply, “I don’t have one.”

scray
scray
5 years ago

@M Simon ‘I was a contractor. The premium was built in. The usual in business is that an employee must be worth 2X what you pay them.’ cool you agree with me that a) the STANDARD SCENARIO is for any boss to UNDERPAY you and b) that you secured a situation where you were paid commensurate with what you were worth. neat. ‘In business the difference between the worst performers and the best is about 10X. The best get paid 2X. Facts of life.’ cool you also agree with me that becoming more competent in and of itself does not… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@sentient

‘You’re just showing your immaturity now… Contracts are made to be broken, as are those who believe in them’

i agree, and breaking a contract costs $$$

refer urself to my original rule: PAY ME.

idgaf if u want to break my contract — you’re gonna pay for it, because it’s going to be written into the terms.

sounds like you’ve been made to accept a lot of shit in your time tho.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“a lot of that sounds like old school advice designed to keep you working and working and making other people money.”

Maybe. I’m a lazy motherfucker. I don’t think I could work for myself but I might try it some day.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@softek ‘Not being like 90% of people is a good start. There’s a lot of misery. Plenty to go around. I need to think of it like that. Someone hands you a shit sandwich. It’s their favorite. What do you say when they ask you of you want a bite? No thanks.’ ha, it’s more like this a few dudes at the top are eating well and feeding everyone else shit sandwiches. and everyone who is eating a shit sandwich is constantly trying to convince to just bust your ass to get a shit sandwich. and they shame you when… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Softek And, if you accept that your parents WERE abusive, what the fuck OTHER doors does that open? How can you trust ANYONE at that point? How can you even trust your own judgement? What the fuck sense does the world even make that parents could do that to their kids? How the fuck are you supposed to be a father someday, or just be in a normal relationship? What does it say about you and your judgement and your own sense of self-preservation that people could do this stuff to you and you just take it and rationalize it?… Read more »

M Simon
5 years ago

scray
May 27th, 2016 at 11:59 am

The only way to get what you are worth is to run your own business. The failure rate for start-ups is 90%. So if I discount what I’m worth by 90% – I was grossly overpaid.

You have an exaggerated understanding of what you are worth.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“Andy – Malpractice is a real thing…”

A little presumptuous. I don’t make that much but honestly, more money wouldn’t mean much to me unless it was a over 10 million or so. I’ve run out of stuff to buy as it is. Tis a weird feeling.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scray – lol. I was cashing 7 figure checks before i was 30… One reason for this is i listened to guys who lived and knew more than me.

But do go on with your “lesson”, the whole internet persona you are living in is amusing.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@sentient

lol relax dude I believe you that you’re successful

@M Simon

By your own words you admitted that employees are not paid what they’re actually worth. lol…

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

The name of the game for the last 20 years is Pay Workers As Little As Humanly Possible. Most folks aren’t paid what they are worth. This is why today a man can work a 40 hour week and still be poor, compared to 30 years ago when he could’ve worked a simple factory job, bought a house if he desired, get a decent car new/slightly used, have a family and maybe go on some nice vacations. And if he wanted to elevate his lifestyle, he could take on a 2nd job for extra cash. Those days, they are gone.… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

The client asked the trial attorney “How good is our case? Can we win?”. The attorney said “well, it’s a very, very strong case. All things considered, I give you an 83% chance of prevailing”. The client was ecstatic, “Great! Go ahead an file suit.”. The attorney sat back “You know though”, he said, “those are the same odds of winning as Russian Roulette…. You still want to go ahead?”…

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And so 99.xx% of all cases settle out…

PS Blax – Go TRUMP!

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

YaReally Sentient HABD and gang, quick one: 1. LOL I had a phone call yesterday from the 19 year old HB7.5 off a sugar site that I banged last year (the one I mention often as the hottest/youngest girl I’ve banged till date) who sort of drifted off the radar and stopped replying to texts 9 months ago. Like an actual call not a text – unheard of for a 20 year old in America today: She called around 5pm and I answered after a few rings, and she said “Hey how’re you doing?” and I replied “Hey…this is a… Read more »

M Simon
5 years ago

scray May 27th, 2016 at 12:32 pm @M Simon By your own words you admitted that employees are not paid what they’re actually worth. lol… Well of course. But I believe in profit. Do you? My intention was that my employers profit from my efforts. So they could continue to pay me. As in everything mistakes will be made. Profit has to cover those. No profit leads to failure. Small profit increases the risk of failure. You problem is that you only count the successes. If you count in failure things are being run tolerably well. ====================== In your ledger… Read more »

M Simon
5 years ago

Business success HAS to be highly rewarded to make up for all the business failures.

M Simon
5 years ago

Well, since we are way OT I think you should know why we are in the mess we are in economically.

We are at the bottom of a Kondratieff Cycle and all the ills we see are the function of such a bottom. I wrote something on that:

https://www.hotgas.net/2016/05/the-ins-and-the-outs/

We are in a repeat of 1929. Socialism will not cure it. Trump IMO has some good ideas.

M Simon
5 years ago

I particularly like this idea of Trump’s

https://www.hotgas.net/2016/05/trump-100-medical-marijuana/

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Oh and PS – I also just had an email from one of the HB7 girls I met at my work conference a couple weeks ago (this is the one who was waving at me across the room when she caught my eye etc) – she lives quite far away and there is no direct career connection between us but: “Dear Mr [Culum], it was a pleasure to meet you at [conference]. I hope we meet again and I would very much like to keep in touch.”. Now feminists will say that that’s just a young career woman trying to… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@M Simon ‘Well of course. But I believe in profit. Do you?’ we’re not talking about whether profit will exist, but i like how you put it — like a religious belief. ‘As in everything mistakes will be made. Profit has to cover those. ‘ no. a firm should base its behaviors on market conditions; if a surplus arises, more long-term speculative investment opportunities are there. if a loss arises, contraction and less risky behavior is necessary. i understand that in this bullshit we call a ‘market economy’ which is really just Uncle Sam stuffing golden goose eggs up the… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@M Simon – interesting blog post.

What’s your take on the view that industrial civilization is in for a step change downwards – a long term regression to a pre-industrial age, because of Peak Oil and the lack of any (sufficiently cheap and energy dense) alternatives to fossil fuels as they run out?

jafyk
jafyk
5 years ago

Lol, I just had to post this. I’m all eyes guys. So, let me know from red pill lens what’s going on. So, I just got off the phone with my aunt in Africa who raised me for a while (7 – 19yrs) while my parents were overseas in U.S.A. She’s pretty much a 2nd mom to me. I grew up with her, her husband and my cousins. Anyway, it won’t be the first time but once again she was asking me to get about when I was gonna get married (if I’m thinking about it). I told her like… Read more »

M Simon
5 years ago

Blaximus
May 27th, 2016 at 1:01 pm

People – like anything else – get paid more (cost more) when they are scarce. If I can get the work done for $7 an hour why would I want to pay $15?

Now you are correct that that the 1% are collecting most of the benefits from increased productivity. The divergence started around 1973. What happened around then to cause that? I don’t know. If you know (or even have a speculation) it would be an interesting topic.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“– a long term regression to a pre-industrial age, because of Peak Oil . . .”

The Industrial Age ran for about 150 years before oil even became a thing.

Of course we damn near ran out of trees with 1/7 the population, but other than that, the play was just fine.

enrique
enrique
5 years ago

@redlight, “don’t get a BPD woman pregnant, and the best way is don’t stick your dick in crazy.” Some of the best, simplest, most easiest understood, yet hardest to practice advice for any man. HOW MANY TIMES, I have reflected and thought of all the power she WOULDN’T have over me if I had not had (just) one child with my Ex years ago. And I realize ALL THE OTHER DUDES before me, for whatever reason, luck, smarts, or the above advice–were spared all the bullshit my son and I have been through over the years. It’s tragic. But ours… Read more »

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

@Jafyk: your aunt seems pretty standard Feminine Imperative. The sisterhood across nations. Further, as she gave you rather specific advice (someone in a medical field in Africa) she may even have someone in mind to try to match you with. As for your oneitis question, this is very interesting to me as I have a tendency to find a favorite in groups of girls. I think I’m not alone in that either. I think it is partly human nature and also partly girls being designed (by evolution) to elicit that response in men in order to secure them as providers.… Read more »

M Simon
5 years ago

Culum Struan
May 27th, 2016 at 1:32 pm

We are no where near peak oil – if you go by price and reserves. But I wouldn’t mind anticipating it.

There is this relatively cheap energy project that can’t get any funding.

https://www.hotgas.net/2016/05/polywell-fusion/

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
5 years ago

@m simon, Nixon closed the gold window in 1971.

M Simon
5 years ago

Via Vitae

May 27th, 2016 at 1:41 pm

@m simon, Nixon closed the gold window in 1971.

I was just thinking the same thing. So there may be something to it.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“1973. What happened around then to cause that?”

That’s easy, but what caused that happened in 1965, and what caused that . . .

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@M Simon: it sounds like an interesting technology but the standard Peak Oil response would be that (a) there’s no shortage of “interesting” alternatives, but nothing that’s even come close to being a legit alternative to fossil fuels; and (b) that Peak Oil was hit in 2005-ish and that price and reserves are meaningless as a measure, because the best/cheapest source of fossil fuels have been used and now we’re into the stuff (tar sands etc) that is much more expensive to extract so that the net energy extracted from it is much lower than it is for a barrel… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@Kfg – “industrial age” – well, let’s say it began with James Watts invention of the steam engine – what was that? Around 1810-1820ish? It’s true that OIL only became important about a century later (and vital only around the time of WW2 because most armies switched their battle tactics to revolve around petroleum), but fossil fuels generally (coal etc) became vital right around the time steam engines and the Industrial Revolution got going..

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Re: multiple chicks. If a guy wants to have multiple chicks, and that gives him happiness, I cosign his efforts. In the same vein, there’s nothing wrong if a man comes to a realization that a lifestyle consisting of multiple women for sexual purposes is no longer appealing. One cannot ever reach that conclusion out of any type of fear. In a perfect world, all men would have as much sex with as many women as humanly possible. It will help with perspective. Even then, a man may decide that it is the way and the truth for him. That… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

The gold window closed because the gold didn’t exist and the European industrialists-bankers, who knew that and using de Gaulle as their front man, called in the debt, hence breaking the dollar and destroying its value as the world’s reserve currency. It went full fiat, no inherent value, subject to all the predatory banker tricks they could imagine.

Of course it had really gone full fiat in 1965 and just pretended it wasn’t for as long as it could, which didn’t turn out to be all that long.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

But kfg, doesn’t this mean that I can make loans at 35:1, with interest?

just takes a few keystrokes.

Who’s better than me!!!!

M Simon
5 years ago

scray
May 27th, 2016 at 1:29 pm

In Venezuela they don’t believe all that stupid religious stuff about profit. And you know – their system works. Their money is worth less than toilet paper. Thus money is relatively abundant and there is for practical purposes no toilet paper to be had. But you could use the money to wipe yer arse. It is cheaper.

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
5 years ago

A non-bank currency cannot survive in a regime of debt-based money creation through fractional reserve lending with compound interest attached. Banks have known this for centuries. Central banks are essentially a scam to let banks offload their mistakes onto taxpayers. Their mistakes are collateral damage due to their competition with each other to collect the most interest from the most borrowers. Hehe, collateral damage, get it?

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@CS: Power loom, 1785. Most date the dawn of the Industrial Age as having begun a few decades before that though. ” . . . (coal etc) became vital . . .” . . .because all the trees had been tossed into the steam engines. Russia was the last to give up steam locomotives not because they were technologically backwards, but because they were the last to have enough trees to feed them. The last steam lines were in Siberia. I don’t expect to be reduced to pre-industrial, never mind stone age, because so much of it is simply knowing… Read more »

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
5 years ago

@kfg ” What I expect, if we can’t maintain energy availability, is a lot of people to die before things balance again.”

Yeah, nonlinear differential equations with compound feedback attached.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Via

” Hehe, collateral damage, get it?”

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M Simon
5 years ago

Culum Struan May 27th, 2016 at 1:49 pm The best fracking sites are profitable at $25 a bbl. And that number is still going down. http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/52633.html Fracking was at one time a 1,1 deal. One year of peak flow. One year of stripping. The best technology is now 2,2. All kinds of advances are being made – like running the oil pumps on residual gas. So no refining is needed for that. That will lower the cost and extend the time that stripping is profitable. But that is all new equipment and not yet widely deployed. And then there is… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@blax “In a perfect world, all men would have as much sex with as many women as humanly possible” ok so we all concede once again that all men have the desire to fuck many hot women ‘Depends on a man’s goals in life.’ welp, we’ve all conceded that one main goal is fucking many hot women so that’s one that is common to all of us ‘IMO, the climate today is ripe for any man that wants to cheat or have mistresses’ it’s only cheating if you promise monogamy. once again i ask — why give it, why promise… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@Kfg – interesting. I also remember reading that commercial fleets of sailboats (slow but cheap cargo transport etc) were viable economically right up into the 1940s.

I hope you’re right about knowledge not being lost because I have a nasty feeling that when the current unsustainable level of energy expenditure begins to crumble, it will take a lot of society (and knowledge) with it in the decline..at that point we won’t have to worry about Red Pill – without today’s society and governmental subsidies and welfare to support it, society will automatically become pretty Red Pill..

M Simon
5 years ago

Via Vitae
May 27th, 2016 at 2:05 pm

Yes. and banks have been using this scam to keep solvent for quite some time: https://hotgas.net/2016/04/trillion-dollar-drug-war-scam/

scray
scray
5 years ago

@M Simon

‘In Venezuela they don’t believe all that stupid religious stuff about profit.’

doesn’t have much to do with their situ…

‘Their money is worth less than toilet paper.’

our money is only worth something because we have a lot of guns pointing at everyone saying it’s worth something, so…w/e it definitely isn’t Adam Smith or whoever-the-fuck misinterpreted and mischaracterized capitalist philosopher at play. fiat, yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ scray http://imagesmtv-a.akamaihd.net/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/captain-jack-i-love-you-man.gif ” i get a lot of ‘SELF-DISCIPLINE, SCRAY’ for WHAT? specifically? what are you saving by exercising this self-discipline” I cannot explain why a man should have self discipline in a short comment, and I don’t feel like trying to type 1,000 words. As far as ” what are you saving by exercising this self-discipline”, a man can/will save himself. Not trying to be cryptic. No man can just do whatever comes to mind. It may put him at risk, even of death. Conversely, a man is capable of doing whatever he likes, but discipline stops the… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

‘I cannot explain why a man should have self discipline in a short comment’

no i understand why you should have self-discipline.

if there’s some GOAL you have, sure.

i’m asking what that is?

keeping your family intact? you can fuck other women and do that

keeping your marriage solid? same

what’s the other ‘higher’ goal here….?

‘No man can just do whatever comes to mind. It may put him at risk, even of death’

KNOW. YOUR. LIMITS. yes, i know 🙂

M Simon
5 years ago

Culum Struan May 27th, 2016 at 1:49 pm EROI is non-sense on stilts. All that matters is end user price relative to all other prices. If it takes 10% of my income to heat my house this year and 5% next year EROI does not matter. A bit. The thing is EROI for fracking is approaching the best the Saudis can do. What the peak oil people failed to calculate was technology advances. And that is by definition incalculable. In 1850 no one had any idea what electric light bulbs would do to whale oil production. ======== Another good oil… Read more »

M Simon
5 years ago

scray May 27th, 2016 at 2:23 pm The fundamental mistake Venezuela made was to think that they could benefit their people by doing away with profit and make up the difference by selling oil. And then – wholly unexpectedly – oil prices plunged. And they were left with not enough oil money and no profits. Hunger is the result. Our fiat is supported (such as it is) by the ability of others to trade their FRNs for food, petroleum, and production machinery. You can’t force people to take fiat at the point of a gun. There has to be some… Read more »

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
5 years ago

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Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ scray ” keeping your family intact? you can fuck other women and do that keeping your marriage solid? same what’s the other ‘higher’ goal here….?” Speaking for myself, there is no ” higher goal ” involved. It boils down to simply being something I have no interest in. I have a different perspective. I understand that I can fuck other women. I understand that many/most men want to fuck other women. I simply don’t want to. Why? It is hard for some guys to understand, and I get that. I don’t see ” fucking other women ” as worthwhile… Read more »

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
5 years ago

@M Simon “What the peak oil people failed to calculate was technology advances.”

…and that there are no dinosaurs on Jupiter.

stuffinbox
5 years ago
scray
scray
5 years ago

@blax

“I simply don’t want to.”

then why “In a perfect world, all men would have as much sex with as many women as humanly possible?”

did you mean ‘all men but me?’

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ scray Damn, you’re persistent. Lol. It’s great though. ” did you mean ‘all men but me?’” At this point in my life? Yup, all men but me. I already put in the work. I truly believe that men should have tons of sex. I believe it should start while they are in their teens, and it should continue as long as they would like. Lots of sex is good for men generally. They will know when to modulate, or they will decide not to. Both ways are fine. I would love for ” pussy ” to be demystified in… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

btw, I no longer run around screaming when I hear The Ice Cream truck either.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“I don’t need to keep jumping out of airplanes every week for the rest of my life. If a guy would be happier jumping out of planes constantly, who am I to nay say his choice? For me the multiple chick thing satisfied me at a certain point in life. But I wanted more out of life. Pussy < Life. It's not that it was too hard or difficult, it just wasn't necessary. Like power-sliding into parking spaces." @Blaximus Back in 1980 I was working summers as a landscape crew foreman (commercial grass cutting). I would drive the big dump… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago
kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@CS: “I also remember reading that commercial fleets of sailboats (slow but cheap cargo transport etc) were viable economically right up into the 1940s.” I recommend reading Wanderer, the autobiography of Sterling Hayden (Gen. Ripper; Dr. Strangelove). Before he went to Hollywood he was one of the last men to work commercial sail, including some time fishing the Grand Banks and for the OSS aiding the Yugoslav resistance during WWII, before he went to Hollywood. He left Hollywood under sail as well. http://www.amazon.com/Wanderer-Sterling-Hayden/dp/1574090488 And it’s a TRM case study as Hayden relates how his life came apart and what he… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Culum Struan “Far harder for me than nightclub opens (although when I look at the wingmen forums and whatsapp groups for Game in big cities etc, I see a lot MORE newbies are doing daygame – I’m not sure why that is)” Probably cuz none of them are reading Mystery Method so they don’t have the training to compete in a nightclub running group sets and disarming hardcore bitch-shields and competing with AMOGs and club distractions etc lol @Scray @Blaximus @SFJ @scribblerg @etc I don’t wanna wade into this minefield after the looks debate lol but just to jump in… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“I no longer run around screaming when I hear The Ice Cream truck either.”

Although I might still think of a Creamsicle.

“Monday Pizza Hut hired a robot named Pepper.”

A robot to feed the eaters it made useless. Where’s Kurt Vonnegut when you really need him?

scray
scray
5 years ago

@blax eh well if one pussy is as good as another, why are you treating one like it’s better and worth treatment above and beyond all the rest? i guess you’re now saying you LACK the desire to fuck other women? @SJF it’s not coming across as clear to me. i ask what SPECIFIC goal this self-discipline serves to effect — i have yet to get one. i’ve gotten a lot of ‘PUSSY ISN’T LIFE BRO’ k well we all stipulated that the desire to fuck other women is common to each of us. acting on that desire occasionally definitely… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@ya ‘I think Scray is just saying like, sure, self-discipline is important, but why not build it in other ways?’ lol i just am saying ‘self-discipline’ is cool, but there’s a fine line between that and just self-denial. and the line is…WHY? like you say —> ‘ there are alternatives that satisfy the need for variety without the negative conseqeunces’ and i mean, why not have strong self-discipline with your internal frame and game so that you can satisfy that desire while keeping your family intact and your other shit under control. to me, that is a reasonable exercise of… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

And here we go: “Amber Heard and Johnny Depp have moved from being entertainingly rude to one another in PR statements, to reported accusations of domestic violence. This is a bad, sad trajectory. TMZ says that Heard showed up in court with a bruise on her face that she claims is a result of Depp’s abuse: Heard showed up with her lawyer, Samantha Spector, armed with photos showing various bruises … she claims Depp inflicted during various times during their marriage. It’s interesting … she’s asking for a temporary restraining order claiming there’s an immediate threat of harm, but Depp… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ YaReally I only used the shooting example to try to illustrate why discipline and self imposing limitations is not a negative thing always. ” Because if men wanting variety is a natural urge we all admit to, then logically the reason guys choose not to have more variety is because they fear losing something or negative consequences (ie – it’s not worth the (insert negative consequence)) or don’t see a way to make it work without negative consequences…and what if we were able to come up with a way to minimize/neutralize the negative consequences and/or create POSITIVE consequences from… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@blax

ya but i’m not saying self-discipline is negative.

i’m saying self-discipline for its own sake TO ME is just strange.

like, you admitted there’s no higher goal for it.

you admit that one pussy is as good as the next.

and i’m finding it hard to believe that you just lack the desire that naturally arises from having a lot of T running through your system…

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

I’m not real big on self denial, for the record.

The exception is cocaine and cigarettes.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ scray

Lol. I understand exactly what you mean. I get that to YOU, it is strange.

The desire is not lacking. The want for much different pussy is no longer a priority or necessary.

You did get my ” 42 years of fucking ” reference right?

I’m somewhere else sexually at this point. For me, it’s better and it works. No threats involved.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@blax@SJF you guys are good sports. i’m telling you i’m just asking because i really am trying to understand… like, to relate an anecdote, i have a secretary and i am very guarded when interacting with her because i don’t want to chance my job and shit where i eat. to me that’s just a clear case of knowing my limits. i don’t know if i could handle that shit like a boss if it went south. and trust me….. it’s TOUGH esp when you have to watch what looked like attraction in the beginning just sort of fade. sometimes… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@blax

‘The desire is not lacking. The want for much different pussy is no longer a priority or necessary.’

okay, so we agree it exists.

i mean….but it sounds like you’re just saying that as you have AGED, it has faded…..

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ scray

” i mean….but it sounds like you’re just saying that as you have AGED, it has faded…..”

Nah. I just have mastery over myself. Lol.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@blax

well ultimate mastery would be being able to act fully on your desires without any negative consequences….

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Lol.

scray hanging on to a point

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SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Scray Your feeling about this is mostly your serum testosterone speaking. You are definitely over-thinking what we have said. It’s not hard to understand. I get that it is hard to understand. But you’re selling an agenda. One lifestyle in this debate is not inherently better than the other lifestyle. Do what you think is the right thing for you to do at a time. Adhere to the platinum rule. What’s going on here is that we’ve done a lot of shit. We’ve been there and done that. And we are good at being us and we know what we… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@blax

well, it’s a pretty destructive and mascohistic mindset from the outside. if you can’t provide any real logical or rational rationale behind it, that’s fine but also fascinating.

like ‘hey why fuck only one woman?’

and it’s like this weird gregorian chant ‘mastery/discipline’

uh okay, to what end?

‘it’s own end’

uh…why not just get tighter at game so that you don’t have to deny yourself anything?

‘mastery/discipline’

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-30526-Hot-Fuzz-greater-good-gif-Simo-fRNY.gif

scray
scray
5 years ago

@SJF ‘ But you’re selling an agenda. One lifestyle in this debate is not inherently better than the other lifestyle.’ welll…..TRP is based on TRP being better, in some sense, than TBP. Those are two different lifestyles. I thought we’re here to follow the rabbit hole as far as it goes. ‘What’s going on here is that we’ve done a lot of shit. We’ve been there and done that’ i’m not questioning any of that. see, when i’m just trying to abstract some sort of principle from a specific set of conduct (why are you monogamous) and you take it… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

I just realized that when I didn’t answer this question I was being unfair: So my read on what Scray is asking is: what if there WERE no negative conseqeunces to it? If there were no negative conseqeunces to it, would you enjoy having variety in your sex life? Say you had a dozen women of the quality of your wife in personality and everything like they didn’t fight with you they were loyal to you they didn’t demand too much of your time or make her feel insecure etc but with a different look and different pussies, and they… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@SJF ‘If I was 25, 30, 35 or 40 years I would say yes. If I had my choice today? The answer is no.’ what is WEIRD to me is that all of this is PERFECTLY aligning with my original ‘know your limits’ idea… as you get older, the shit you need to successfully maintain that kind of thing just fades. but you guys say it has nothing to do with that. ‘And consequences do factor into it, but not because of why you imply they do.’ uh……. okay, so you are just exercising self-discipline for its own sake and… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Scray
How can I deny myself what i’ve already had?
Why does a dog lick his balls?
If I could I wouldn’t,because they don’t smell good to me.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ scray ” as you get older, the shit you need to successfully maintain that kind of thing just fades.” Nah. I could do it. I do not want to. There’s nothing in it anymore. If I wanted to play wide receiver at a high level, I can’t because my skills have faded. What I would want to do would not matter. The case of boning multiple women is a case of something that no longer appeals to me. I don’t want to do it. Nothing, in this case, has faded. I COULD do the multi chick thing if I… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Scray. Relax.

What you and YaReally are talking about prospectively sounds legit to me.

That has nothing to do with the water that has flown under our bridges for the last 50 years. Times change men adapt.

You just can’t reverse engineer SJF, Blax or Rollo’s current situation for the sake of listeners out there in the manosphere. This is not your template. And we’re not advocating our script (even if we implied it). We’re just telling stories.

YaReally
5 years ago

@scray @SJF “i’m not questioning any of that. see, when i’m just trying to abstract some sort of principle from a specific set of conduct (why are you monogamous) and you take it as this indictment of your entire fucking world….….it just makes me think ‘this is just some strongly conditioned shit i’ve run into.’” lol this. He’s just examining your beliefs and asking questions to understand how you guys ended up where you are, not attacking your life and accomplishments or saying you’re trying to brainwash anyone else into anything. Like take Andy, he’s on a similar path as… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Scray @Yareally

Speaking for myself,I don’t want to tell you guys the real reasons,you are having a good time doing what I used to do and I wouldn’t want to fuck that up by telling you things that you need to come to your own conclusions about.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

For the record: I don’t take the questioning as an attack. It’s no more an attack than when my 27 year old neighbor from across the street asks me a thousand times, a thousand different ways, why I prune and feed and fuss over the rose bush in my front yard. He just doesn’t understand what the purpose is. ” We don’t understand the “exercise self-discipline for the sake of self-discipline” thing when it comes to something that we don’t really view as having a negative consequences. It seems like needless self-denial/suffering and the only real purpose behind it SEEMS… Read more »

Via Vitae
Via Vitae
5 years ago

@kfg “We can’t go to Jupiter.”

We don’t need to.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Via Vitae:

True enough, they delivered.

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@ Blax > > > > > “An erection lasting more than 4 hours.” > > > > > You’ve seen the commercials – “An erection lasting more than 4 > > hours….” > > > > But what really happens when you ask for help with an erection > > lasting more than 4 hours? > > > > I walked into a drug store and asked to talk to a male > > pharmacist. The woman I was talking to said that she > > was the only pharmacist as she and her sister owned the > >… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Short story this time. Last weekend I was staking and tying and pruning the giant rose bush in my front yard. It had already started to bloom and I need to keep it trained for maximum effect. Neighbor from across the street, 27 year old male. Married to ex single mom with 5, count ’em FIVE kids. Not by business though. Employed part time possibly. Him: What you doing now? Me: Training the bush to go where I want it to. Him: Laughs. What’s the wood for? Me: They’re stakes. It’s what I will tie the bush to. Him: Stakes???… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

Sounds to me like 27 romeo,is the blue pill bitch.His woman looks out the window and rags him”why can’t you be more like mister Blax? his yard looks sooo nice.” Then he thinks maybe shutting you down would be easier than doing a little yard work.Not

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
5 years ago

@Rollo Tomassi wrote “Serious question: why not simply use prostitutes? Why learn Game when you can save money, time and effort and have variety with pros? Seems the most pragmatic approach, yes?” That’s interesting. Does this lead to a potential plate paradox? I get variety, it can be nice. Baskin Robbins had a pretty good grasp of that reward formula. And this is why I question any time I hear dude’s talking about picking up and spinning multiple *high quality girls.* Are hot hookers considered *high quality* or just mentally/emotionally damaged worn out vaginas surrounded by sexually attractive bags of… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ stuff

He just doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.

He’s a little too light in the ass to shut me down. Ha ha ha.

His wife is really gonna bust his nuts if she ever catches him trying to peak into my backyard when all my girls are there to swim. He’s better off staying in his yard, taking care of all those chillen.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Scray: i’m not questioning any of that. see, when i’m just trying to abstract some sort of principle from a specific set of conduct (why are you monogamous) and you take it as this indictment of your entire fucking world….….it just makes me think ‘this is just some strongly conditioned shit i’ve run into.’” YaReally: He’s just examining your beliefs and asking questions to understand how you guys ended up where you are Your premise of abstracting a general principle is false. We ended up here. You can’t follow us down the myriad of paths we took. We have these… Read more »

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