I received this email some time ago, but I felt it needed some serious consideration to give the concept the justice it deserved.
Rollo — You’ve been a major help to my understanding the underlying dynamics between men and women. I’ve observed them in bits and pieces over the years but never really understood the whys behind them or how to turn them in our favor.
It seems like one mid-term focus you have is on male-male dynamics, specifically fathers and sons. But I also wonder whether you’d consider writing more about bonding and support between men and how those relationships can anchor men’s lives at a time when male relationships are regarded with skepticism by larger society. Lately it’s struck me that men tend to innately trust the men they know and distrust those they don’t (and that it’s often the reverse for women). This inclines us to believe women when they decry the “assholes” who have mistreated them in the past while women are empathetic and credulous toward women whose character they don’t know and whom they’ve never met.
Many of us out here are lacking strong male relationships, and our small social circles translate to fewer men we innately trust and more men we innately don’t. Women seem to regard male friendships as a luxury at best–we should be focusing on career, family, and her needs–while women’s friendships are seen as a lifeline in their crazy, have-it-all world. Indeed, a man discouraging his SO’s friendships is widely seen as a sign of emotional abuse, whereas the reverse is “working on the relationship.”
This strikes me as a deep but largely untapped Red Pill well and could provide essential guidance for men looking to live a proud, constructive Red Pill life however women and children might fit into it. I’d definitely welcome your insights in future entries.
Look forward to every post!
Back in February Roosh proposed (and attempted to initiate) a worldwide event that would be a sort of ‘gathering of the tribes’ with the intent of having men get together in small local gatherings to “just have a beer and talk amongst like-minded men.” My impression of the real intent of in putting this together notwithstanding, I didn’t think it was a bad idea. However, the problem this kind of ‘tribes meeting’ suffers from is that it’s entirely contrived to put unfamiliar men together for no other purpose than to “have a beer and talk.” The problem with unfamiliar men coming together simply to meet and relate is a noble goal, however, the fundamental ways men communicate naturally makes the function of this gathering seem strange to men.
The best male friends I have share one or more common interests with me – a sport, a hobby, music, art, fishing, lifting, golf, etc. – and the best conversations I can remember with these friends occurred while we were engaged in some particular activity or event. Even just moving a friend into his new house; it’s about accomplishing something together and in that time relating about shit. When I lived in Florida some of the best conversations I had with my studio guys were during some project we had to collaborate on for a week or two.
Women, make time with the express purpose of talking between friends. Over coffee perhaps, but the act of communication is more important than the event or activity. Even a ‘stitch-and-bitch’ is simply an organized excuse to get together and relate. For women, communication is about context. They are rewarded by how that communication makes them feel. For Men communication is about content and they are rewarded by the interchange of information and ideas.
[…]From an evolutionary perspective, it’s likely that our hunter-gatherer tribal roles had a hand in men and women’s communication differences. Men went to hunt together and practiced the coordinated actions for a cooperative goal. Bringing down a prey animal would have been a very information-crucial effort; in fact the earliest cave paintings were essentially records of a successful hunt and instructions on how to do it. Early men’s communication would necessarily have been a content driven discourse or the tribe didn’t eat.
Similarly women’s communications would’ve been during gathering efforts and childcare. It would stand to reason that due to women’s more collectivist roles they would evolve to be more intuitive, and context oriented, rather than objective oriented. A common recognition in the manosphere is women’s predisposition toward collectivism and/or a more socialist bent to thinking about resource distribution. Whereas men tend to distribute rewards and resources primarily on merit, women have a tendency to spread resources collectively irrespective of merit. Again this predisposition is likely due to how women’s ‘hard-wiring’ evolved as part of the circumstances of their tribal roles.
From this perspective it’s a fairly easy follow to see how the tendency of men to distrust unfamiliar (out-group) men might be a response to a survival threat whereas women’s implicit trust of any member of the ‘sisterhood’ would be a species-survival benefit to the sex that requires the most parental investment and mutual support.
Divide & Conquer
In our post-masculine, feminine-primary social order it doesn’t take a Red Pill Lens to observe the many examples of how the Feminine Imperative goes to great lengths to destroy the intrasexual ‘tribalism’ of men. Since the time of the Sexual Revolution the social press of equalism has attempted to force a commonly accepted unisex expectation upon men to socialize and interact among themselves as women do.
The duplicity in this striving towards “equality” is, of course, the same we find in all of the socialization efforts of egalitarian equalism; demasculinizing men in the name of equality. A recent, rather glaring, example of this social push can be found (where else?) at Harvard University where more than 200 female students demonstrated against a new policy to discourage participation in single-gender clubs at the school. You see, women were very supportive of the breaking of gender barriers when it meant that men could no longer discriminate in male-exclusive (typically male-space) organizations, but when that same equalist metric was applied to women’s exclusive organizations, then the cries were accusations of insensitivity and the banners read “Women’s Groups Keep Women Safe.”
That’s a pretty fresh incident that outlines the dynamic, but it’s important to understand the underlying intent of the “fine for me, but not for thee” duplicity here. That intent is to divide and control men’s communication by expecting them to communicate as women do, and ideally to do so on their own accord by conditioning them to accept women’s communication means as the normatively correct way to communicate. As I’ve mentioned before, the most effective social conventions are the ones in which the participants willingly take part in and willingly encourage others to believe is correct.
Tribes vs. The Sisterhood
Because men have such varied interests, passions and endeavors based on them it’s easy to see how men compartmentalize themselves into various sub-tribes. Whether it’s team sports (almost always a male-oriented endeavor), cooperative enterprises, cooperative forms of art (rock bands have almost always been male space) or just hobbies men share, it is a natural progression for men to form sub-tribes within the larger whole of conventional masculinity.
Because of men’s’ outward reaching approach to interacting with the world around him, there’s really no unitary male tribe in the same fashion that the collective ‘Sisterhood’ of women represents. One of the primary strengths of the Feminine Imperative has been its unitary tribalism among women. We can see this evidenced in how saturated the Feminine Imperative has become into mainstream society and how it’s embedded itself into what would otherwise be diametrically opposed factions among women. Political, socioeconomic and religious affiliations of women (various sub-tribes) all become secondary to the interests of ‘womankind’ when embracing the collective benefits of being women and leveraging both their victim and protected statuses.
Thus, we see no cognitive dissonance when women simultaneously embrace a hostile opposition to one faction while still retaining the benefits that faction might offer to the larger whole of the Sisterhood. The Sisterhood is unitary first and then it is broken down into sub-tribes. Family, work, interests, political / religious compartmentalizations become sublimated to fostering the collective benefits of womankind.
While I can speculatively understand the socio-evolutionary underpinnings of how this psychological dynamic came to be, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out just how effective this unitary collectiveness has been in shaping society towards a social ideal that supports an unfettered drive towards women’s gender-coded need to optimize Hypergamy. This unitary, gender-primary tribalism has been (and is) the key to women’s unilateral social power – and even in social environments where women still suffer oppression, the Sisterhood will exercise this gender-tribalism.
Threat Assessments
Asserting any semblance of a unitary male tribalism is a direct threat to the Feminine Imperative. In The Threat I began the essay with this summation:
Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value to women.
When I wrote this essay I did so from the perspective of women feeling vulnerable about interacting intimately with men who understood their own value to women and also understood how to leverage it. One of the reasons Game is so vilified, ridiculed and disqualified by the Sisterhood is because it puts this understanding into practice with women and, in theory, removes women from the optimization of Hypergamy. Red Pill awareness and Game lessens women’s control in that equation, which is sexy from the standpoint of dealing with a self-aware high SMV man, but also threatening from the perspective that her security depends on him acquiescing to her Frame and control.
Up to this point, Game has represented an individualized threat to women’s Hypergamous control, but there has always been a larger majority of men (Betas) who’ve been easily kept ignorant of their true potential for control. However, on a larger social landscape, the Feminine Imperative understands the risks involved in men forming a unitary tribe – a Brotherhood – based solely on benefitting and empowering men. The manosphere, while still effectively a collection of sub-tribes, represents a threat to the imperative because its base purpose is making men aware of their true state in a feminine-centric social order.
As such, any attempt to create male-specific, male-empowering organizations is made socially synonymous with either misogyny (hate) or homosexuality (shame). Ironically, the shame associated with homosexuality that a fem-centric society would otherwise rail against becomes an effective form of intra-gender shame when it’s applied to heterosexual collectives of men. Even suggestions of male-centered tribalism are attached with homosexual suspicions, and these come from within the collectives of men themselves.
The above picture is from an “academic” conference (class?) Mediated Feminisms: Activism and Resistance to Gender and Sexual Violence in the Digital Age held at UCL in London. There’s quite a bit more to this than just collecting and codifying the sub-tribes of the manosphere, more can be found here.
Now, granted, this conference is replete with all of the uninformed (not to mention willful ignorance) concern to be expected of contemporary feminists, but this does serve as a current example of how men organizing for the exclusive benefit of men is not just equated with misogyny, but potential violence. As a unitary collective of men, the manosphere terrifies the Feminine Imperative. That fear, however, doesn’t stem from any real prospective violence, but the potential for a larger ‘awareness’ in men of their own conditions and the roles they are expected to play to perpetuate a feminine-centric social order. They fear to lose the control that the ‘socially responsible’ ignorance of men provides them with.
Men’s predisposition to form sub-tribes and intrasexual competition (“lets you and him fight”) has always been a means of covert control by women, but even still the Feminine Imperative must insert its influence and oversight into those male spaces to make use of them. Thus, by assuring that feminine primacy is equated with the idea of inclusive equalism, all Male Space is effectively required to be “unisex space” while all-female sub-tribes must remain exclusively female. For an easy example of this, compare and contrast the reactions to Harvard’s unisex institution of campus club equalism to the worldwide reactions to, and preemption of, the “Tribe” meetings only attempted to be organized by Return of Kings in February.
Making Men
By controlling men’s intrasex communications with each other the Feminine Imperative can limit men’s unified, collective, understanding of masculinity and male experiences. Feminine-primary society hates and is terrified of men defining and asserting masculinity for themselves (to the point of typifying it as potentially violent), but as connectivity progresses we will see a more concentrated effort to lock down the narrative and the means of men communicating male experiences.
I’ve detailed in many prior posts how the imperative has deliberately misdirected and confused men about a unified definition of masculinity. That confusion is designed to keep men guessing and doubting about their “security in their manhood” while asserting that the feminine-correct definition is the only legitimate definition of healthy, ‘non-toxic’, masculinity. This deliberate obfuscation and ambiguity about what amounts to ‘authentic masculinity’ is another means of controlling men’s awareness of their true masculine potential and value – a potential that they rightly fear will mean acquiescing to men’s power over their Hypergamous social and personal control. Anything less than a definition of masculinity that fosters female primacy and fempowerment is labeled “toxic masculinity” – literally and figuratively poisonous.
This is the real, operative reason behind the obsessive, often self-contradicting, need for control of male space by the Feminine Imperative. Oversight and infiltration of male sub-tribes and instituting a culture of self-policing of the narrative within those sub-tribes maintains a feminine-primary social order.
Since the time in which western(izing) societies shifted to unfettering Hypergamy on a social scale there has been various efforts to demasculinize – if not outright feminize – the larger majority of men. Today we’re seeing the results of, and still persistent efforts of this in much starker contrast as transgenderism and the social embrace of foisting gender-loathing on boys becomes institutionalized. A deliberate promotion of a social constructivist narrative about gender identity and the very early age at which children can “choose” a gender for themselves is beginning to be more and more reinforced in our present feminine-primary social order.
As a result of this, and likely into our near future, today’s men are conditioned to feel uncomfortable being “men”. That discomfort is a direct result of the ambiguity and misguidance about conventional masculinity the imperative has fostered in men when they were boys. This feminization creates a gender loathing, but that loathing comes as the result of an internal conflict between the feminine-correct “non-toxic” understanding of what masculinity ought to be and the conventional aspects of masculinity that men need to express as a result of their biology and birthright.
Effectively, this confusion has the purpose of creating discomfort in men among all-male sub-tribes. These masculine-confused men have difficulty with intersocial communication within the sub-tribes they’re supposed to have some sort of kin or in-group affiliation with. Even the concept of “male bonding” has become a point of ridicule (something typical of male buffoons) or suspiciously homosexual , so, combined with the feminine identification most of these men default to, today’s “mangina” typically has more female friends and feels more comfortable communicating as women communicate. These men have been effectively conditioned to believe or feel that male interaction or organization is inherently wrong, uncomfortable or contrived, possibly even threatening if the organizing requires physical effort. Consequently, interacting as a male becomes ridiculous or superficial.
Pushing Back
What then is to be done about this conditioning? For all the efforts to destroy or regulate male tribalism, the Feminine Imperative still runs up against men’s evolved predispositions to interact with the outside world instead of fixating on the inside world of women. Below I’ve pieced together some actionable ideas that might help men come to a better, unitary way of fostering the male tribalism the Feminine Imperative would see destroyed or used as a tool of soci0-sexual control:
- While it is vitally important to maintain a male-specific mental point of origin, together men need a center point of action. Women talk, men do. Men need a common purpose in which the tribe can focus its efforts on. Men need to build, coordinate, win, compete and problem solve amongst themselves. The ‘purpose’ of a tribe can’t simply be one of getting together as like-minded men; in fact, groups with such a declared purpose are often designed to be the most conciliatory and accommodating of the Feminine Imperative. Men require a common, passionate purpose to unite for.
- Understand and accept that men will naturally form male hierarchies in virtually every context if that tribe is truly male-exclusive. There will be a reflexive resistance to this, but understand that the discomfort in acknowledging male hierarchies stems from the Feminine Imperative’s want to make any male authority a toxic form of masculinity. Contrary to feminine conditioning male hierarchies are not necessarily based on Dark Triad manipulations. That is the ‘fem-think’ – any male created hierarchy of authority is by definition evil Patriarchy.
- Recognize existing male sub-tribes for what they are, but do so without labeling them as such. Don’t talk about Fight Club, do Fight Club. As with most other aspects of Red Pill aware Game, it is always better to demonstrate rather than explicate. There will always be an observer effect in place when you call a male group a “male group”. That tribe must exist for a passionate reason other than the express idea that it exists to be about men meeting up. Every sub-tribe I belong to, every collective interest I share with other men, even the instantly forming ones that arise from an immediate common need or function, all exist apart from “being” about men coming together.Worldwide “tribe” day failed much for the same reasons an organization like the Good Men Project fails – they are publicized as a gathering of men just “being” men.
- Push back on the invasion of male space by being uncompromising in what you do and organize with passion. Make no concessions for women in any all-male space you create or join. There will always be a want to accommodate women and/or the fears of not being accommodating of feminine-primary mindsets within that all-male purview. Often this will come in subtle forms of anonymous White Knighting or reservations about a particular passion due to other men’s Blue Pill conditioning to always consider the feminine before considerations of themselves or the tribe. It is vitally important to the tribe to quash those sympathies and compromising attitudes as these are exactly the designs of the Feminine Imperative to destroy a tribe from within.Make no concessions for competency of women within the tribe if you find yourself in a unisex tribal situation. Even the U.S. military is guilty of reducing combat service requirements for women as recently as this month. If you are a father or you find yourself in a role of mentoring boys or young men it is imperative that you instill this no-compromise attitude in them and the organizations that they create themselves.
- The primary Red Pill / Game tenets that you’ve learned with respect to women are entirely applicable in a larger scope when it comes to resisting the influences of the Feminine Imperative. Frame and a return to a collectively male-exclusive Mental Point of Origin are two of the primary tenets to apply to non-intimate applications of resistance in terms of aspects of society. Observations and the Red Pill Lens should inform your interactions with women and men on a social scale.
Finally, I want to close by restating that my approach to resisting the influences of the Feminine Imperative on a meta-social scale is the same bottom-up approach I used with unplugging men from their Blue Pill doldrums. Once men have taken the first steps in Red Pill awareness this new perspective has a tendency to expound into greater social understandings and a want for applications beyond hooking up with desirable women. That Red Pill awareness becomes a way of life, but moreover, it should inform us as men, as tribes, about how best to maintain ourselves as masculine-primary individuals and organizations.
@Novaseeker May 23rd, 2016 at 8:03 am +1 on those comments @sfcTon “Everything is a matter of training and few men are trained to deal with chicks these days. Which is why I love Game, Red Pill, PUA etc. Thats what they do is train me” I totally agree. I’m totally down for red pill awareness and game in an Ian Ironwood type of way– an older, married and monogamous way. I actually really enjoy YaReally’s comments and Scray’s most of the time. I definitely appreciate their comments 98% of the time. Except when they make broad statements implicating non-pussy-chasers… Read more »
So if you are great looking you don’t need subcomms so much? and if you are a movie star you don’t need subcomms so much? and if you are a great looking movie star like Liam Hemsworth then you date and get engaged to Miley Cyrus, a 10 (why would a great looking male movie star hunk take anything less, unless his internals sucked but let’s focus on appearances and status, because this alpha is a mindset is so confusing)
Scray – how do you “properly calibrate” without adjusting?
I think it’s telling that while pretty much everyone here is quick to believe the worst of women like hypergamy, and their inability to love unconditionally; when it comes to probably the single most beautiful thing about them, the fact that they truly don’t value external shit, everyone wants to bury their heads in the sand.
was I lecturing someone? Wasn’t my intention
@SJF “And yes, what gets my dander up is when they imply that guys like us (namely old, married, successful in our own personal mission statements) are less worthy of a listening to” ok well here’s the thing…. me and ya are talking about ‘here’s how you go score hotties in their prime, here’s what seems to matter and what doesn’t.’ a lot of you guys simply aren’t going out there and doing that. so….when you try to tell us how it is out here it’s like ‘welllllll………you’re not out here doing it, and from the way you talk about… Read more »
Ton,
Nope. I was implying that Scray and YaReally were attempting to lecture Rollo on something he didn’t need a lecturing on. Way upstream in the comments.
Scray “a lot of you guys simply aren’t going out there and doing that.”
And a lot are, but you disagree with them anyway. LOL. And then you contradict yourselves, gloss over it or invent new words to describe things.
@Novaseeker Sorry, I didn’t realize I was getting in the way of everyone arguing with Insanity. @Chump No More “Bro, with great respect, your job will never be complete because my and many others here’s reality just does not jive with that belief.” And Feminists believe in the wage gap. “Alpha behavior (sub-comms) also plays an important contribution. How much? What ratios? Can you just depend on one and be successful? Maybe, but the most correct answer is I don’t know, and quite frankly, neither do you” We have significant amounts of evidence to show that the answer to that… Read more »
@sentient
“And a lot are, but you disagree with them anyway. LOL. And then you contradict yourselves, gloss over it or invent new words to describe things.”
you have yet to point out a contradiction, tho.
and i didn’t invent new words for anything. i used the actual definition of a word YOU were using to illustrate why it’s NOT what PUAs are doing
“a lot of you guys simply aren’t going out there and doing that. so….when you try to tell us how it is out here it’s like ‘welllllll………you’re not out here doing it, and from the way you talk about it, it shows…’” I call mine a more inclusive Venn circle in the tribe. You have the right to your own manosphere circle. There are other circles in the tribe. Keep that in mind when you comment. And some game principles are universal including most of what you write, but not all. Your sub-comms imply that others outside your circle are… Read more »
I am greatful for everyone here.
Been hitting gym to break passed depression.
Yareally Look, stand behind your words or disavow them. They are your words. if you feel like looking at what YOU said is off limits, well maybe there is a reason for that? I’m a huge fan of yours, I think most of what you write is accurate. But you do have blind spots and you do have a tendency to try and twist what is being said by others to fit what you want to say. This here is a perfect example: I’ve said from the start, despite how many times you misrepresent my position and force me to… Read more »
I call mine a more inclusive Venn circle in the tribe. You have the right to your own manosphere circle. There are other circles in the tribe. Keep that in mind when you comment. And some game principles are universal including most of what you write, but not all. Your sub-comms imply that others outside your circle are not worthy of their comments or that lurkers (in a different station in life) don’t subscribe to their comments. In my opinion. In this thread. It’s true, but pointless, because his point of departure is that the only relevant topic for discussion… Read more »
@Sentient “And a lot are, but you disagree with them anyway. LOL. And then you contradict yourselves, gloss over it or invent new words to describe things.” Because we have infield video we can post that demonstrates that the previously held belief isn’t accurate. “Look, stand behind your words or disavow them. They are your words. if you feel like looking at what YOU said is off limits, well maybe there is a reason for that?” I haven’t disavowed any of them. I explained exactly where you’re misinterpreting them and I’ll keep doing it but I’d rather have an actual… Read more »
@Novaseeker
“Only thing that is relevant are his target demographic”
My target demographic is the demographic that’s going to come here down the road on the brink of suicide and divorce raped and unable to see their kids and shit because when someone brought up information that could help them it was dismissed because it’s “derailing” a blog that’s supposed to help men.
I’m going to drop one more comment on this thread and I’m done. I’ve more than answered the battery of questions and all we keep coming back to is a circular argument and redefining terms that seem convenient. I’m going to lay this out once and then I’m finishing the next essay. Both Scray and YaReally continually disqualify placing a higher priority on looks than on Game. As I stated way back in Looks Count “if you can have only one, Game is the most important”. Perhaps Scray hasn’t read the 503 posts or anything in either of my books,… Read more »
@YaReally
“They are indicators of sexual interest.”
No, they indicate INTEREST in finding out if the guy can demonstrate good subcomms.
The deliberate/voluntary IOIs indicate interest. The involuntary/reflexive IOIs indicate sexual interest. I did a whole blog post about this years ago.
Sometimes just the way a man stands/looks can trigger reflexive sexual interest in a woman. Google “primate attraction signal”.
“For all the back and forth about sub-communications and what they indicate about a man, I feel fairly confident in the belief that it’s better for a man to actually possess the masculine traits, qualities and assurances that those sub-coms imply than to be found wanting after convincingly aping them well enough to get the lay.”
🙁 Disappointed Rollo. Not just for all the men that could be helped, but for you as well. 15 years of writing it’s okay to get ONE thing SORT OF wrong… I hope you keep thinking about this.
YaReally, Scray, HABD… props.
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Yes Vagina Virginia there actually is a little tinge of purple on the tip of the red pill guys have apparently swallowed in LTR game. Just ask BluePillProfessor and Married Red Pill Reddit. Because of the FI and Briffault’s law. Don’t wish for what ought to be, be aware of what is. Looks do matter and factor into hypergamy, but that fact can be overcome by adapting through Game. Central to married red pill transformation is: “a man improving his physique or his outward appearance might be part of that transformation”. I’m not advocating purple pill but it does play… Read more »
If that is your genuine concern here, you should simply delete your bookmark of TRM. You’ll have more in common with AVfM and various other MRAs & MGTOWs because each has used this trope verbatim to promote their own agendas.
@ YaReally My question is: what does recognizing that women value Looks do for men? Let’s say looks do matter. So what? What advantage does this have for men? How can men use this knowledge to their advantage and to better themselves and their lives? I’m not really clear on this right now. What is the argument? What is the thesis? What is the point? So what? Not being sarcastic here either. As far as I understand it, your point, which I can corroborate, is that men can take Looks too far, and end up like Elliot Roger. I was… Read more »
“For all the back and forth about sub-communications and what they indicate about a man, I feel fairly confident in the belief that it’s better for a man to actually possess the masculine traits, qualities and assurances that those sub-coms imply than to be found wanting after convincingly aping them well enough to get the lay.”
90% of red pill is masculine self improvement and the other half is good Game.
90% of good game is internals and the other half is externals (including looks) which factor into sub-comms.
@ Rollo Also, I’ve been skimming a lot, so if I missed the main point of the looks argument, that’s my bad. I just can’t think of anything in my head right now after all I’ve read here that really points to something clear and concise that’s like, “Oh, right, that’s why knowing that Looks matter is important, and why I’m better off for knowing that.” And as far as evolution goes, me being attracted to big lips, big tits, a nice ass, hourglass figure, etc., is all evolution based. There is always going to be cultural influence, like I… Read more »
@Softek, I’m glad your considering all this, because my next post will address your situation with the BPD woman personally.
@Rollo “Both Scray and YaReally continually disqualify placing a higher priority on looks than on Game. As I stated way back in Looks Count “if you can have only one, Game is the most important”.” Neither of us have said that you think looks are more important than game. You can’t quote us saying that because we haven’t said it. I don’t know why this straw-man keeps coming up despite repeatedly saying we aren’t saying anyone here doesn’t think game works or that you think looks are more important. “Looks, A look, does create expectations” Social conditioning creates expectations of… Read more »
I’ll also add that with one of my friends with high N-count, he placed a VERY high importance on looks, as far as dressing. Would spend hours in the mirror, etc. adjusting his outfits. He played in a band, of course, and that was a big part of the act, since, similar to picking up women, knowing how to play guitar is kind of important in a bad, but your number 1 goal is ENTERTAINMENT. So it isn’t that playing guitar doesn’t matter. You can’t just get up and not play at all, or completely suck, have your drummer go… Read more »
@ YaReally
Speaking of which, I’ll be on later. GF just got here and because I’m pussy whipped I need to close out my Internet so she can’t see I’ve been on here or on porn. Lol. Aye…More on that later. I think I’m a good case study lol.
@SJF 90% of red pill is masculine self improvement and the other half is good Game. No “This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill: the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill: you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.” – Morpheus You woke up believing whatever was convenient for you. Disregarding any truths that weren’t completely relevant to you. 90% of good game is internals and the other half is… Read more »
I guess this is why the “losing all hope was freedom” fits into the red pill.
You won’t(can’t) accept it all unless you have no other choice
@Mersonia
It was a play on Yogi Berra’s famous quote. ‘Baseball is 90 per cent mental. The other half is physical’
According to me: Everything Matters.
Yogi Berra also said: “So I’m ugly. I never saw anyone hit with his face.”
I find this discussion fascinating yet wasn’t able to follow it thoroughly because there is simply too damn much being written lol. Let me say that I love both your writing, Rollo and YaReally, and am eternally grateful for discovering it. I found pick-up years before I discovered the Red Pill. Tho being worlds from YaReallys or Tylers infield-time, Pick up brought me to sex and the Red Pill (and Rollos writing especially) saved my life in more ways than I can count. It truely IS a fascinating viewpoint/theory that looks/muscularity are only social conditioned indicators of good subcomms which… Read more »
PS forgive possible language-fuckups, English is not my first language.
@trent You said a lot of what I wanted to, and it read clear as a bell.
@Trent Lane “Serious questions, no snark or hate intended.” Happy to answer anything I can on the subject. “Every hour spent in the gym is an hour wasted of sarging with xy-interactions under your belt” is the “Just lift bro and the girls will fall from the sky” in negative extreme. ” Read Scray’s field reports from when he started out through his progression. Read scribblerg’s latest Field Report where he finally banged an HB9 because he got his subcomms/internals on lockdown after eating shit infield over and over. Read Culum’s latest report and then go back and read his… Read more »
@Softek:
Here’s an actual male model crashing and burning on Take Me Out; with analysis.
@sentient I think you’re responding to me asking last week, “whats your argument that looks DO matter?” by saying they matter because you have to calibrate. You took yareally’s quote from 2014 saying different looks come with different behavioral expectations, which gels entirely with what he’s argued this week, that those expectations are the socially conditioned part. And if the only reason they matter is that they require calibration of game to what the girl expects of you, then I would argue that you confirm they don’t matter. In any pickup you have to constantly calibrate to everyting going on:… Read more »
@trent
“So, despite the question if looks/muscularity or subcomms/game really trigger sexual attraction/arousal, would you all agree that, from a red pill perspective of bettering a mans life long-time it would always be wisely to say: work on both?”
ya that’s exactly what I did. actually, i worked on EVERYTHING
and the main reason it’s cool to work on everything is to SEE FOR YOURSELF that the other shit really doesn’t matter…
…and that dudes just will do anything to avoid talking to women
fear rules most men — it’s that simple,
@kfg
that was rofl
“I got the runt of the litter”
@YaReally “I have tried repeatedly to have calm rational reasonable discussions about the subject in the face of overwhelmingly emotional spaz-outs.” “My target demographic is the demographic that’s going to come here down the road on the brink of suicide and divorce raped and unable to see their kids and shit because when someone brought up information that could help them it was dismissed because it’s “derailing” a blog that’s supposed to help men.” How is this calibrated? @YaReally “I mean we have Softek sitting here, still IN his relationship with a 31+yo BPD who’s threatening suicide and he’s repeatedly… Read more »
“There’s no evidence that working out will make you better at flying rockets into space . . .”
People who fly rockets into space have to go through a rigorous physical training program first. If they remain in space for any length of time they must maintain a rigorous training program in order to be able to maintain the fitness necessary to continue to fly the rocket, and when they return they must go through extensive physical rehabilitation before they can ever be fit enough to fly a rocket into space again.
@Trent Lane Here’s some snippets from Scray’s early field reports, so you can see why exactly we stress that the field is what fixes/develops your subcomms and why it’s so important to rack up as much field experience as possible when you’re starting out. His original mindsets, fully socially condiitoned and in the FI where looks/money matter: “I’m getting into a space where it’s starting to feel hopeless. I recently started sarging, and my approach count is still low—a solid 30….but, as anyone can guess, the success rate thus far is zero. Rejection now feels like I have zero value… Read more »
@Andy all He’s only here to help guys, and it’s important that every man in the The Red Pill community understand that they have inherent value and external shit like looks, muscles and money don’t matter. It’s yeoman’s work really with all the BS he gets from everyone. I really have a hard time grasping why only like 3 or 4 people can understand why this is so important… this… jeez…it’s almost like nobody actually read the OP…lol… here, let me try to put this into perspective… bc all ((I)) see is the FI pushing on a bunch of you… Read more »
@viv
you roll in here every time and argue against us by repeating our points to us as if it’s somehow arguing against us
it’s the most hilarious shit ever.
@kfg lol clearly I don’t know anything about rocket science. That’s why I wouldn’t be offended when a NASA scientist told me his opinion held more weight on the subject. The video you linked is an interesting watch. I recommend guys watch it a few times, including with the volume off to pay attention fully to the body-language, and in general watch it thinking hard about why “preselection” in this case turned them OFF (if women “ping off their environment”, look at his body language right before the clip is shown, I don’t even know who this chick IS but… Read more »
Thank you for your answer, YaReally. I believe it’s a problem of perspective. Yours is understandably that of a PUA who put years and years and years of his life into his dedication to game, profited massively from it, changed his whole personality through it, lives and breathes it and understands and practices it on an elite level. I admire that and frankly your words motivate the shit out of me to get out of my house and into the bars/clubs everytime. “every hour in the gym is an hour less field experience, that’s all we’re saying. If that’s acceptable… Read more »
@YaReally “You have a lot of dedicated compared to other guys and that is awesome. But most guys aren’t and every hour in the gym is an hour less field experience, that’s all we’re saying.” And selectively ignoring the part of the discussion upthread pointing to super slow HIT workouts that can be done literally in 10 minutes a week. AND notice the solipsism and projection in thinking that “most guys” who are not dedicated enough to lift will magically be dedicated enough to hit the club to get chain rejected 1-30 times a night. Talk about telling guys to… Read more »
Your answers appeared while I formulated mine 😎
Thanks for the link to scrays FR’s @ YaReally, will check it out.
@ scray
“ya that’s exactly what I did. actually, i worked on EVERYTHING
and the main reason it’s cool to work on everything is to SEE FOR YOURSELF that the other shit really doesn’t matter…
…and that dudes just will do anything to avoid talking to women
fear rules most men — it’s that simple,”
Thanks for sharing your experience. Very interesting. I’ll check your FR’s.
A very insightful man wrote this: the essence of plate theory is that a man is as confident and valuable as his options. … This principle is the key to solving so many of the problems that dog the heels of beta AFCs and recovering AFCs. In fact I would say that this ideology should be the cornerstone to success for a man in many facets of life, not simply attracting and keeping women. A man with options has power, and from these options and this sense of power, a natural sense of confidence will manifest itself. … There are… Read more »
“I don’t even know who this chick IS . . .”
http://www.girlswithmuscle.com/images/full/128270925.jpg
@YaReally
“As I’ve said, the field teaches you about yourself and you learn to define your own value system. You have to have your values challenged and confront them to learn what your value system is.”
And as others have said, taking on challenging goals in training, sport, business, hobby, career, education teaches them about themselves and their value systems. Game is not the only path to self-knowledge.
@Trent Lane “in your experience, do the important aspects of a mans life BESIDES game autocorrect themself if you get to an excellent game level?” There is a LOT of overlap of the skills you learn from infield translating to the rest of your life, since a significant amount of the rest of your life involves social interactions, networking, influencing others, demonstrating value, confidence, solid communication skills, etc, etc which aren’t thinks you learn lifting weights. “Couldn’t you see an moderate approach to lifting/sports and so on as supportive of your game if you don’t fall into the “Muscles will… Read more »
@ kfg I’ll check that out. Very eager to. Still have it in my head that male model types can’t “crash and burn” even though I know that isn’t true, so maybe that’ll do me some good to watch. (so used to the stereotype of ‘hawt’ guys automatically getting respect/reverence from women just for looking good) @ Via When it’s been at its worst (the relationship fluctuates a LOT….sometimes I feel like oh she’s great, how could I ever not want to be with her, then shit will happen and it’s like, oh, right, that’s why….rinse and repeat), I’ve had… Read more »
@softek Think bigger. This girl is dicking with your most precious asset, she will waste your time, eat up your LIFE. I would rather die than let anyone have that power over me, especially a woman. Where will she be if you get in trouble like @scribblerg. She will either be out the door, or eating out your intestines like the spider she is.
@Redlight: “Nobody has developed a coherent argument that they are wrong.” So far as I can tell, doing my best to navigate the strawman henge, the linguistic tricks and the rhetorical devices taken right from the first page of the Golden Book of Disingenuous Rhetorical Techniques, employed to force fucking everything into the field of his laser focus, I have only one real disagreement with Ya Really, and he has only two with me. And the second one is a matter of his pedagogical approach, not fact, as the argument begins with “I want . . .” ” . .… Read more »
@ Rollo I also remember how you mentioned something about your choice to only have one kid, stay married and not cheat, etc. The thing that tortures me the most in this relationship is not knowing what I want. There is nothing wrong with monogamy IF you know what you’re getting into, why game including Dread works, etc. Even with this girl I’ve been seeing, there have been a couple glimmers of light that I didn’t expect at all. Like her actually making a joke that I was a pervert, without actually trying to insult me or be serious, and… Read more »
@ Via Or my friend, similar to scrib, who went through an awful divorce years ago. 25 years. Out the window. It sucks to not trust women, and it seems like a shitty attitude to have, wanting to believe in love and everything else that we’re sold on. But the risks are high. Even in the moment. Even without marriage. I’ve spent a lot of time worrying about this shit that I could’ve spent building my life up. Fortunately lately I’ve been a lot better about that, and I have been FORCED to put up more healthy boundaries because I… Read more »
“She KNEW that I went on porn a lot before we hooked up. Why would she fuck a guy that goes on porn, when she thinks porn is disgusting and could never be with a guy who goes on porn?” Because she does not say what she means and that was then and this is now. She is not trying build a good relationship with you, she is trying to manipulate you. What she says she likes or does not like is entirely predicated on whether or not it can get you behave the way she wants you to in… Read more »
Holy shit has this thread gone into the crapper. First let me say that I have skimmed – TLDRed much of it. In a way, my retreat from here recently is related to this very discussion. I’m coming down squarely in the Ya-Scray camp for one simple reason. Until you recognize that interest, attraction and arousal for women does happen independent of being good looking, you really are missing the essence of game, and in particular how women make mating choices. Women’s responses are much more complex and conflicted and nuanced and mercurial. Men can generate perceived value and interest… Read more »
@Softek Notice if you re-read your post you’ve stopped mentioning bad things about her. You’re rationalizing her behavior as normal because your brain is looking for any reason to keep you where you are (your brain WANTS to get her pregnant and fulfill your replication hardwiring, your brain doesn’t care if you’re happy in the situation that comes along with that). And you’re also pulling the “I’m bad TOO” thing to minimize the severity of her actions. This is a girl who cheated on her boyfriend with you when you first met, and is now threatening suicide (being confused is… Read more »
@Yareally “Again, as I’ve said multiple times: do you see that 10 minute HIT workout posted on the TRP forums?” OK, so go post it for those guys on the TRP forums. This is the RM forum. “They might go do it if they were told the ACTUAL benefits of it compared to stuff like lifting… that the iron doesn’t teach you to build strong subcomms/internals in social interactions…because it DOESN’T laugh in your face or try to AMOG you…. But those don”t produce the same development that a girl laughing in their face or guys AMOG’ing them produces..Because almost… Read more »
@scribblerg
happy everything worked out for you dude. you can tell how much you changed
Wow, lots of ladies pretending to be dudes so they can troll YaReally. Don’t let the bastards wear you down, man, your advice is gold.
@scribblerg “Until you recognize that interest, attraction and arousal for women does happen independent of being good looking, you really are missing the essence of game, and in particular how women make mating choices” <3 In my head I wasn't cheering for your recent HB9 lay report because you got LAID…I was cheering because you SAW the Matrix and experienced it first-hand. Just like Culum is starting to. "Spending time on looks will only reinforce your perceptions of yourself that you are somehow “earning it” by being good looking enough. Nope – I’m entitled to pussy just because I want… Read more »
” . . . telling them . . .”
. . . is as pointless as telling a 16 year old anorexic chick that she needs to eat something.
@all there is NO 10 minute per week Chad T workout that will make you ripped/jacked/fit/whatever getting ripped is hard and if natty you need to be in the gym 4-5 times a week lifting heavy and hard and adding to that 2-4 sessions of HIIT cardio sessions and you need to dial in your diet and you’re not gonna even like it for probably the first almost-year. getting fit has benefits — you have more energy, you feel strong, and you feel sharper. to me, those are just baseline HEALTH benefits that can help in all areas of your… Read more »
@Scray “getting ripped is hard and if natty you need to be in the gym 4-5 times a week lifting heavy and hard and adding to that 2-4 sessions of HIIT cardio sessions and you need to dial in your diet” That t depends on genetics. I will say the 4-5 lifting heavy( at least a hour a day ) is a must. Cardio isn’t necessarily….depending on your body type…. Though coming from the fact that if you were fat or gain weight quickly then yes cardio is very beneficial. I don’t do cardio and stay at 4% body fat… Read more »
About 68% of the American population is overweight and/or obese. If all a guy did was the minimum physical exertion and concerned himself with what he ate to put him into a normal weight class he would put himself at a more favorable advantage than about 68% of men. I find it ironic and telling that the guys who so adamantly advocate that looks don’t matter are the same ones evaluating how long or how much effort is necessary to meet an ideal they propose doesn’t exist. Being in shape (not even jacked) is not a disadvantage. Even YaReally has… Read more »
@mers “That t depends on genetics. I will say the 4-5 lifting heavy( at least a hour a day ) is a must. Cardio isn’t necessarily….depending on your body type….” idk the genetics thing is so overhyped and is 99% code for ‘i use steroids/hormones and need to explain the HUGE differential in results between me and you even tho you’re using all the right supps I’m pedaling!’ genetics = muscle shape, muscle bellies, frame size and general symmetry the HIIT cardio is to retain the maximum amount of muscle (or possibly gain it under certain conditions) while losing fat… Read more »
I haven’t finished reading all this thread and I’m on my phone but I just wanted to say I’m astonished at how this thread has gone and for what it’s worth it seems to me that YaReally Scray and HABD make sense (and shout to Andy for that great post about how this actually shows women I’m their best light). And what they say is reflected in my – much more limited – personal experience (I mean for FFS I’ve been approached by girls in clubs wanting to take pictures with me a couple of times and I’m the most… Read more »
@Via Vitae “You talked yourself into a corner, and kind of annoyed everyone in the process” Everyone? There are a lot of us who think he is doing us a very valuable service, and I hope he continues. Rollo came up with plate theory, and that was essential. Now Rollo is long time married with a kid, so he can’t be an expert in the getting and keeping of plates. So by allowing the participation of those who are getting and keeping a whole lot of plates, we can all gain the knowledge necessary to implement Rollo’s plate theory. Now… Read more »
@scribblerg I liked that post. I totally agree that interest and attraction are independent of looks in that you can get that interest and attraction without looks. Yet, I have seen good looks work magic, and feel that good looks, to the extent I have them, have sometimes given me things that I did not exactly earn, and not just with women. I did not even have especially good internals when it happened, and I got multi SNLs with zero game. And I also fell on my face and failed with other women based on my crap game and internals.… Read more »
@redlight “There are a lot of us who think he is doing us a very valuable service, and I hope he continues.”
Including me, as a matter of fact.
BUT, there’s a lot of people who also think he needs to calibrate a bit, be a little more give and take, more open to other perspectives. maybe work on brevity and clarity in his posts. Plenty of room here for everyone.
@Scray “idk the genetics thing is so overhyped and is 99% code for ‘i use steroids/hormones and need to explain the HUGE differential in results between me and you even tho you’re using all the right supps I’m pedaling!’” True ( 87% of jacked people I know do this) the HIIT cardio is to retain the maximum amount of muscle (or possibly gain it under certain conditions) while losing fat so you don’t need to worry about gaining any mass when you’re down to low bf % — ya it’s not essential, in the abstract, but it just allows you… Read more »
“My question is: what does recognizing that women value Looks do for men? “ If nothing else, at least dispel the myths that women have fed to men, and also rid them of the guilt that came along with it, that women are always looking for what’s inside while men are shallow, think with the wrong heads, etc… You’ve all heard them. It’s part of the inherent flawed masculinity, women change you for the better and all the other crap that you felt was going on all the time, that you either knew was okay when you were told it… Read more »
@viv “For every one of those guys, there’s 1000’s of guys that could put in the same work and still look unremarkable. But they will look healthy, and I think health is a physical subcomm women are picking up on. So a guy could look healthy doing much less work, spend the rest of the time gaming with a slight edge to work with.” lol the ‘same work’ of injecting tons of hormones? most everyone talking about great genetics wrt fitness model/movie star/bb bodies is full of shit and just trying to cover for the fact that they’re using oodles… Read more »
whoa, my post totally got chopped up…. @viv lol uhhh, the two points are —> you’re not a fat fuck <20% and the 'edge' you're talking about ROI completely not worth if if you’re just doing it for the edge @rollo “I find it ironic and telling that the guys who so adamantly advocate that looks don’t matter are the same ones evaluating how long or how much effort is necessary to meet an ideal they propose doesn’t exist.” just relating my experience doing this shit… ” If looks imply the possibility of good sub coms why would you discourage… Read more »
FWIW, I’ve been doing a modified MaxOT / HIIT regimen for almost 8 years now. I’m up at 5am and at the gym by 5:45-6am. My workout is 45 minutes to an hour 15 depending. I do this 4 on 1 off religiously, I put in 40-50 hours a week and then I’m doing on and off premise event promos for 3-5 hours, usually Fridays & Saturdays every other week and damn near every week if that month has a major holiday. I’m 48 years old and this has been a way of life for me since I was in… Read more »
“If looks imply the possibility of good sub coms . . .”
. . . then they, ya know, communicate that, non-verbally.
@Rollo “Being in shape (not even jacked) is not a disadvantage.” They never said it was a disadvantage. ” Good looks or even marginally getting in shape can give a man confidence to make an approach he might not have considered otherwise. ” i’m pretty sure Ya is saying If your basing your worth off looks or being and shape (externals) and approach because of it (Then your confidence is based on externals) which will eventually lead you down the wrong road because you. attribute your success to looking good or being in shape ( externals) instead of (internal) confidence… Read more »
@rollo
” I’m not even suggesting anyone follow my lead, but don’t sell anyone the idea that they can’t practice Game and get into better shape at the same time.”
me and you agree on that.
@HowlingManTodd Thanks for the support yo @Rollo “YaReally has conceded that looks at the very least advantage a man with “interest” and freebie IOIs” Yup, I have no disagreement with that. From the very start my point has been that yes, you will absolutely get free gimme IOIs with looks. It’s just that: 1) that’s not sexual arousal, that’s just interest in finding out if you can actively display good sub-comms which actually trigger arousal 2) what constitutes “good looks” is socially conditioned (flat-head, 80s clothes, race, etc) and as such can be manipulated/change (even in the moment) 3) men… Read more »
@kfg LOL. 20 more years and maybe I can communicate like you. Of, course, I will only be able to communicate with 2% of people. It will be worth it, I think.
@Rollo ““If looks imply the possibility of good sub coms why would you discourage a guy from getting into better shape?”” If you imply that someone should just go workout because then they will get girls .they’ll just rush off to the gym thinking they found a life secret and “get the looks that imply the possibility that you have the subcomms” Then go into field and have shit not workout and question their life worth because they listened to people say all they have to do is “get the looks that imply the possibility that you have the subcomms”… Read more »
@Scray “@rollo ”I’m not even suggesting anyone follow my lead, but don’t sell anyone the idea that they can’t practice Game and get into better shape at the same time.” me and you agree on that.” And I agree too. It’s just that, by the sheer MATH of X number of hours in the day and how much you can DO infield in an hour, 3-4 times a week, your game will be anywhere from hundreds to thousands of sets behind where it COULD be if you spent that gym time infield. That’s all. It’s just math. It’s no more… Read more »
No, they are saying that working out is a waste of time when a guy could put that time to better use by just staying out of shape and using it infield. I’m suggesting that guys who are already overweight who advocate this simply don’t have any incentive to get in shape so their assessment of what time and effort it takes to get into shape is distorted by what they think is ideal. There are a million different studies and reports about the physical and psychological benefits of exercise, to suggest you have more energy and you feel strong… Read more »
@rollo “There are a million different studies and reports about the physical and psychological benefits of exercise, to suggest you have more energy and you feel strong and you feel sharper, which means that if you don’t have a good frame and a good way to approach social situations, you will be HYPER reactive and get SUPER butthurt. and now, guess what? you’re strong and fit enough to make some bad decisions. like, was it fun being at house parties and knocking drinks out of people’s hands for perceived disrespect and making people look stupid by losing wrestling/fights with a… Read more »
@YaReally Epic discussion that was not-for-nothing. When I say no hard feelings I am being overt. I mean it. Your deep and powerful inclination toward the subject of pickup artistry should be commended. Because you have mastery over PUA. I say this because other guys need a deep and powerful inclination to work on a larger subject of masculine self-improvement, tribal work and individual mission goals. To illustrate why this matters, here is an excerpt from the introduction to Robert Greene’s book Mastery. “A man should learn to detect and watch that gleam of light which flashes across his mind… Read more »
@Rollo “they are saying that working out is a waste of time when a guy could put that time to better use by just staying out of shape and using it infield” Which, if your goal is to improve your results with women and understand attraction and build internal confidence not based on externals, IS a better use. I mean, just by pure logic lol That doesn’t seem like a controversial statement. I’m not saying there aren’t health benefits and that we haven’t been socially conditioned to feel better if we achieve “better” looks (by our socially conditioned standard, just… Read more »
@blax Wow, yareally and blax respond to me? I will masturbate to this for years. This is a long ass post. Lol, but as with all these recent ones I am uncovering a lot of deep issues with myself. Anyway, about the black girl, yeah I could have gone for her number. Probably would have gotten it too. Here’s my issue. To briefly sum up my life, I think I am actually a natural. Problem is, I grew up in a place where I didn’t really like anyone, so didn’t go out much. I also am very much NOT conventionally… Read more »
I personally think everyone should exercise regularly in some fashion. Doesn’t really matter how. In the past though I always exercised because I thought it would make chicks like me more. It never did. It’s a horrible feeling, and the fact that anyone, let alone the most influential guy in TRP, would advocate that mindset is just plain sad. Especially when it obviously isn’t true! lol. Do I like in a bizzaro world or something? I’m SURROUNDED by jacked dudes with ugly to average women. Also, hotter women with ugly to average looking guys. I noticed this before TRP because… Read more »
@Softek, The Take Me Out video was a good example of preselection and men just getting it.(Both searchable on the blog) Which are related to each other. Because once they saw the models dating example, his looks approved looks getting paired with an eww inducing example made the women feel he doesn’t get women. Or else he would’ve shown a much better dating example.
Preselection also works well for the sage grouse. skip to 19 minutes, but whole vid is good.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/sagebrush-sea-full-episode/12341/
@Rollo
Good looks or even marginally getting in shape can give a man confidence to make an approach he might not have considered otherwise.
who exactly is doing the ‘giving’ in this idea?…
and whose frame would a man have to be in for that (gift of confidence) to be valuable to him?…
good luck!
“If looks imply the possibility of good sub coms why would you discourage a guy from getting into better shape?” He’d rather guys go to the source. Infield. you’ll get everything you need there. Not every field looks the same. Here are two of my infields: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/20160522_143220_zpswa0z0auu.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/20160521_200812_zpsrucud1m7.jpg Farm (a passion and a pursuit) and home (relationship game…..principle characters not posing on the chairs for anonymity, but my wife is more attractive than me–looks don’t matter). Since I’m limited to two pictures, the other would be out socializing with other married (monogamous or not) couples at the country club scene… Read more »
@having a bad day
“”@Rollo
Good looks or even marginally getting in shape can give a man confidence to make an approach he might not have considered otherwise.”
who exactly is doing the ‘giving’ in this idea?…
and whose frame would a man have to be in for that (gift of confidence) to be valuable to him?…”
Here’s a mic for you to drop:
http://previews.123rf.com/images/ratru/ratru1007/ratru100700029/7308223-Microphone-in-a-hand-on-a-white-background-Stock-Photo-singing.jpg
“My workout is 45 minutes to an hour 15 depending”
My workout is 50 minutes of high intensity lifting. And I don’t take a phone or listen to my own music.
But my work-week is only 2 1/2 days a week.
And that’s besides the 5 mile walk of non-masculine swinging a golf club or chainsawing, or carrying logs or splitting firewood or harvesting deer and butchering it. Or planting acres of wildlife habitat food plots or trees and shrubs or warm-season grasses.
“when I’m not inspecting girls in their underwear in my primary profession at work.”
I almost got a job gluing feathers onto Dominican showgirls in nuttin’ but panties once, but it fell through. Bummer.
There was an investment group trying to make the Dominican Republic the new Old Havana. They started up one casino and hoped to leverage that into a chain, which would have meant an expanded staff, and the head costumer was an old friend of mine.
@YaReally
Here’s a mic for you to drop:
lol…then i’m out for the night…maybe the rest of the week… i really have been spending waaaay too much time on this…lol… and really do need to catch up on my meat world obligations… keep fighting the good fight!…
good luck!
Rollo’s tweet:
Warning Not Safe for YaReally or Scray. Time is your most valuable possession and you will waste 6:22 and have to listen to a feminine correct discussion. And women talk and me DO…
“who exactly is doing the ‘giving’ in this idea?…
and whose frame would a man have to be in for that (gift of confidence) to be valuable to him?…”
Should a guy bother to brush his teeth?
@Via Vitae
You talked yourself into a corner, and kind of annoyed everyone in the process.</I.
I wasn't annoyed and I don't agree with you that YaReally talked himself into a corner. He has been very clear, but you are confused and misunderstand what he is saying.
And don’t waste any time on discussing Major Histocompatibility Complex and mating either. Because it’s evo-psych science is easily disprovable by in field experience for those that have achieved Mastery. http://nypost.com/2010/07/25/dissecting-the-mating-game/ I’m not fucking with PUA’s. Really. I believe everything matters and that time management is important. Except when you have lots of time to waste–better then to engage in leisure pursuits. I have achieved a lot in life by utilizing “in-between-time” to accomplish goals. The time that is otherwise wasted by those souls that don’t have a deep and powerful inclination to accomplish something. Or even actually have a… Read more »
FI Blue Pill bullshit: “Women are like men.”
Blue Pill men think that because they value looks and women are like men, then women also value looks, so men have to get jacked, etc.
I value looks and I value my looks, so I work to improve my looks…for me. Excuse me, I have to go stare at myself in the mirror. Ta-dum